Ben DeLuca fired

Started by scoop85, November 14, 2013, 12:21:55 PM

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Jim Hyla

Quote from: Kyle Rose
Quote from: Jim HylaThe reason that HYP have been able to accomplish a lot toward that end, is because they had a huge headstart in the giving game.
I'll break my rule to address this one statement, because I think it might give you an idea of where I'm coming from. HYP annoy the shit out of me because they have absolutely no excuse to be charging tuition at all. All three could cover every penny they receive in tuition by simply increasing disbursement from their endowments by a fraction of a percentage point. Cornell doesn't have that ability yet, but the proof that the business of higher education is primarily business, not education, is right there for everyone to see. When those schools stop charging tuition, maybe I'd then contribute to Cornell's endowment to get them into the same position. Until then, I have no confidence that any of these jokers have the right mission targeted.

I think I know where you're coming from, I just haven't seen a better solution. And haven't HYP quit tuition for a large number of families?
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Rosey

Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: Kyle Rose
Quote from: Jim HylaThe reason that HYP have been able to accomplish a lot toward that end, is because they had a huge headstart in the giving game.
I'll break my rule to address this one statement, because I think it might give you an idea of where I'm coming from. HYP annoy the shit out of me because they have absolutely no excuse to be charging tuition at all. All three could cover every penny they receive in tuition by simply increasing disbursement from their endowments by a fraction of a percentage point. Cornell doesn't have that ability yet, but the proof that the business of higher education is primarily business, not education, is right there for everyone to see. When those schools stop charging tuition, maybe I'd then contribute to Cornell's endowment to get them into the same position. Until then, I have no confidence that any of these jokers have the right mission targeted.

I think I know where you're coming from, I just haven't seen a better solution. And haven't HYP quit tuition for a large number of families?
And has continued to jack up the price for others. Seriously, just because a family can pay $40+G/year to send their kids to private school doesn't mean they should have to.

Theoretically, the core mission of elite universities is to educate the next generation of leaders. Charging tuition is one way to make that possible in the absence of other funding sources, but when it stops being necessary it really only makes sense to continue doing so if the school is a money-making venture foremost. If they'd be honest about that and give up any pretense at being tuition-check-to-tuition-check non-profits, I would still chastise them for prioritizing profit over their educational mission, but I suspect people would at least be more informed about what kind of institutions they're giving money to.

I know if I were a long-time donor to Harvard's endowment and knew that money (in concert with that of other donors over the decades) could be used to entirely offset tuition, I would be knocking down doors demanding to know why my money hasn't been used to do what I intended it for. I mean, seriously: what would I have donated it for? Certainly not to give the president of the university a plush new office.
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nyc94

Quote from: Kyle RoseAll three could cover every penny they receive in tuition by simply increasing disbursement from their endowments by a fraction of a percentage point. Cornell doesn't have that ability yet

And never will since every enormous gift the University receives is already earmarked for construction of something.  Too bad Jay Walker left Priceline in 2000.

Swampy


billhoward

Quote from: SwampyFrom Ithaca to Durham:  ::cry::
http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=36652
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Quote from: Laxpower.comDURHAM, N.C.-Duke lacrosse head coach John Danowski has announced the addition of Ben DeLuca to the coaching staff as a volunteer assistant coach for the 2014 season. DeLuca joins the Blue Devils after three seasons as the Cornell University lacrosse head coach.

Swampy

Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: SwampyFrom Ithaca to Durham:  ::cry::
http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=36652
Emphasis added:
Quote from: Laxpower.comDURHAM, N.C.-Duke lacrosse head coach John Danowski has announced the addition of Ben DeLuca to the coaching staff as a volunteer assistant coach for the 2014 season. DeLuca joins the Blue Devils after three seasons as the Cornell University lacrosse head coach.

I thought about this, and realized DeLuca's contract is probably the reason he's had lawyers speaking on his behalf. If Duke were paying him now, the damages for any breach of contract might be less. So working as a volunteer might be crazy like a fox.

I don't know the details, of course, but I wonder if any sharks attorneys out there might shed some light on this conjecture.

mountainred

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: SwampyFrom Ithaca to Durham:  ::cry::
http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=36652
Emphasis added:
Quote from: Laxpower.comDURHAM, N.C.-Duke lacrosse head coach John Danowski has announced the addition of Ben DeLuca to the coaching staff as a volunteer assistant coach for the 2014 season. DeLuca joins the Blue Devils after three seasons as the Cornell University lacrosse head coach.

I thought about this, and realized DeLuca's contract is probably the reason he's had lawyers speaking on his behalf. If Duke were paying him now, the damages for any breach of contract might be less. So working as a volunteer might be crazy like a fox.

I don't know the details, of course, but I wonder if any sharks attorneys out there might shed some light on this conjecture.

NY law may be different, but generally you would deduct any mitigating wages in calculating damages so long as you could not have worked both jobs.  I think the simpler reason DeLuca is working as a volunteer assistant is that Duke's paid assistant positions were full and have been since the school year started.  I'm pretty sure the NCAA limits the number of paid coaches you can have, though I don't have the desire to go searching the NCAA rulebook to confirm.

Towerroad

Quote from: mountainred
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: SwampyFrom Ithaca to Durham:  ::cry::
http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=36652
Emphasis added:
Quote from: Laxpower.comDURHAM, N.C.-Duke lacrosse head coach John Danowski has announced the addition of Ben DeLuca to the coaching staff as a volunteer assistant coach for the 2014 season. DeLuca joins the Blue Devils after three seasons as the Cornell University lacrosse head coach.

I thought about this, and realized DeLuca's contract is probably the reason he's had lawyers speaking on his behalf. If Duke were paying him now, the damages for any breach of contract might be less. So working as a volunteer might be crazy like a fox.

I don't know the details, of course, but I wonder if any sharks attorneys out there might shed some light on this conjecture.


NY law may be different, but generally you would deduct any mitigating wages in calculating damages so long as you could not have worked both jobs.  I think the simpler reason DeLuca is working as a volunteer assistant is that Duke's paid assistant positions were full and have been since the school year started.  I'm pretty sure the NCAA limits the number of paid coaches you can have, though I don't have the desire to go searching the NCAA rulebook to confirm.

It is far from clear if any contract has been breached. I suspect that Mr. Deluca has or had a contract with Cornell when he was dismissed. I suspect that he served as the lax coach at the pleasure of Mr. Noel. However, I suspect that the contract called for him to be paid a certain amount for a certain time regardless of whether Mr. Noel used him as a Lax coach or not. I think this is a fairly common structure. He may well still be on Cornell's payroll.

Working with John Danowski is certainly not going to hurt his career. I suspect a good reference from him would carry a lot of weight.

BearLover

So what actually happened here?

Swampy

Quote from: BearLoverSo what actually happened here?

Isn't he still the HC at Delaware?

ugarte

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: BearLoverSo what actually happened here?

Isn't he still the HC at Delaware?
i think he's asking "what's the hush hush story on his firing" which, if it has been revealed, i don't recall.

Ken711

Does really it matter.  We have a NCAA Championship coach in Connor Buczek. Go Big Red!

ugarte

Quote from: Ken711Does really it matter.  We have a NCAA Championship coach in Connor Buczek. Go Big Red!
if i limited my life to things that "matter" it would be pretty boring!

mike1960

A distantly related question: Would we have won the National Championship (love typing that) had Milliman stayed?

BearLover

Quote from: Ken711Does really it matter.  We have a NCAA Championship coach in Connor Buczek. Go Big Red!
It absolutely does not matter. I was just looking back down the long and winding road that we traveled to get here.