Yale at Cornell Football

[Swampy]

... what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.

It's another attempt at throwback cool.  Long ago, even before Al was a young boy, football pants were made of canvas and were a natural khaki color.  Harvard wore tan pants at least since the 60's in a nod to those days.  When shiny silky synthetics evolved, the canvas look disappeared.

Al had suggested our gray pants were a retro look back to the Tom Harp era of 1961-65.  If they really wanted to replicate that look, the players would wear the jerseys from last year with the shoulder hoops, todays gray pants, plain white helmets, and the dour facial expressions of teams whose best season was 5-4.

And whose most exciting play was three yards and a cloud of dust. ::wank::

[Josh '99]

We have two starters wearing #6?

Though it still strikes me as odd, I've noticed it to be pretty commonplace in NCAA football, because of the size of the rosters.  If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players, so if every guy has to have a two-digit number then it's inevitable that there will be repetitions; as it is, there are multiple players wearing #s 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 22, 31, 46.  I think it's less common for both players wearing a number to be starters; by and large they're players who are two or three class years apart, and the younger of the two players will, to make a vast unsupported generalization, tend not to get too much palying time.

[KeithK]

If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster?  Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

[Josh '99]

If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster?  Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

You got me.

[billhoward]

It's only been, what, 55 years we've been waiting for an outright championship? A long way to go still. I for one want to be in Boston Oct. 6 for the Harvard game.

[Al DeFlorio]

It's only been, what, 55 years we've been waiting for an outright championship? A long way to go still. I for one want to be in Boston Oct. 6 for the Harvard game.

I, too.

[Jim Hyla]

If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster?  Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

[css228]

If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster?  Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.

[Chris '03]

If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster?  Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.

Is the JV team listed on the Varsity roster? Does Cornell still play JV? It's somewhat more reasonable if the roster includes both teams. Whether a jv team is reasonable is another conversation all together.

[Jim Hyla]

If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster?  Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.

That's true, but it brings up the question of what counts as a student athlete as far as Title IX. Does anyone know? I'd guess that in Ivy football the number of students goes up, and mostly down as the year progresses. Do they only count the number that are on the travel squads? At scholarship schools do all athletes travel, or does a smaller number travel, like the Ivies?

[KeithK]

If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster?  Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

It does cost a little extra money in terms of equipment and such.  But I was really railing about the overall culture in college football (80+ scholarships for a sport that dresses about half that).

[css228]

If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster?  Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.

That's true, but it brings up the question of what counts as a student athlete as far as Title IX. Does anyone know? I'd guess that in Ivy football the number of students goes up, and mostly down as the year progresses. Do they only count the number that are on the travel squads? At scholarship schools do all athletes travel, or does a smaller number travel, like the Ivies?

Anyone who is on the official roster is counted for Title IX purposes. This includes a kid who only practices and never dresses except for at home games just as much as it includes a guy like Jeff Matthews. However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).

[billhoward]

The team managers - still more women than men? - count also for Title IX?

[css228]

The team managers - still more women than men? - count also for Title IX?

Not one hundred percent sure on them.

[KeithK]

However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).

Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.