Harvard 6 Cornell 1 ECAC post-game & site critique

[jeff '84]

Maybe Friday was all a bad dream?

http://shop.cbssports.com/CBS_Cornell_Big_Red/browse/featuredProduct/829640/source/EML12_HM_HOCKEYCHAMPS_CRNL_A_C_0317B?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=EML12_HM_HOCKEYCHAMPS_CRNL&utm_campaign=EML12_HM_HOCKEYCHAMPS

[billhoward]

[clear]
Thank you, CBS Sports. Jeff, you beat me to the post, but one picture is a thousand words, right? Monday, the tees will probably be on their way to Burundi joining those Patriots SB 2012 Champs tees.

[jeff '84]

Thank you, CBS Sports. Jeff, you beat me to the post, but one picture is a thousand words, right? Monday, the tees will probably be on their way to Burundi joining those Patriots SB 2012 Champs tees.

Indeed, it is, thanks Bill. I was tempted to see what would happen if I ordered one.

[marty]

Thank you, CBS Sports. Jeff, you beat me to the post, but one picture is a thousand words, right? Monday, the tees will probably be on their way to Burundi joining those Patriots SB 2012 Champs tees.

Indeed, it is, thanks Bill. I was tempted to see what would happen if I ordered one.

Last time I was in Cape Cod you could still buy BC 2000 National Championship (hockey) hats at a store in Hyannis.  That is the only such item that I have ever seen available for purchase.

[billhoward]

Thank you, CBS Sports. Jeff, you beat me to the post, but one picture is a thousand words, right? Monday, the tees will probably be on their way to Burundi joining those Patriots SB 2012 Champs tees.

Indeed, it is, thanks Bill. I was tempted to see what would happen if I ordered one.

You'd be rejected because your order was placed without first loading Adobe Flash 11.0.1 (11.0.0 was last week) and the Octahedron driver.

[Ben]

Thank you, CBS Sports. Jeff, you beat me to the post, but one picture is a thousand words, right? Monday, the tees will probably be on their way to Burundi joining those Patriots SB 2012 Champs tees.

The best part may be the description:

Your Big Red have proven to be the toughest things on ice since wooly mammoths roamed the earth.

[redice]

If we ordered enough of them, could we alter history?

[adamw]

Bill - please let me know if you have a higher-res version of the TV crew shot. I'd greatly appreciate it.

[billhoward]

CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA all drew 10,000-plus to its title games according to box score reports, ECAC was sub-5,000, and AHA was sub-2,500 even with the event in RIT's home town.

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League Finals Capacity Pct.   Arena                        Teams in Final[/b]
AHA 2,443 11,200 22% Blue Cross Arena, Rochester Air Force, RIT
ECAC 4,131 10,500 39% Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City Union, Harvard
CCHA 10,421 20,056 52% Joe Louis Arena, Detroit   W Michigan, Michigan
H East 13,079 17,565 74% TD Bank Garden, Boston        BC, Maine
WCHA 16,838 18,064 93% Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul N Dakota, Denver

For the ECAC, was it the venue? The teams? The small-city size? CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA are in real cities. IIRC the Albany finals were 5,000-plus but not 10,000-plus in a building that holds 17,500 for hockey.

[kingpin248]

CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA all drew 10,000-plus to its title games according to box score reports, ECAC was sub-5,000, and AHA was sub-2,500 even with the event in RIT's home town.

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League Finals Capacity Pct.   Arena                        Teams in Final[/b]
AHA 2,443 11,200 22% Blue Cross Arena, Rochester Air Force, RIT
ECAC 4,131 10,500 39% Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City Union, Harvard
CCHA 10,421 20,056 52% Joe Louis Arena, Detroit   W Michigan, Michigan
H East 13,079 17,565 74% TD Bank Garden, Boston        BC, Maine
WCHA 16,838 18,064 93% Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul N Dakota, Denver

For the ECAC, was it the venue? The teams? The small-city size? CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA are in real cities. IIRC the Albany finals were 5,000-plus but not 10,000-plus in a building that holds 17,500 for hockey.

Another point to remember: the AHA does not hold a consolation game, so I'd bet that most of the 2,443 in Rochester were actually inside the BCA for the final. To me, it didn't look (from the webcast) like there were any more than 1,500 in the building for the ECAC final.

I posted previous attendance figures on the forum last year, so I have them handy. I've also added the last three years in Lake Placid (capacity 7,700), which is as far back as collegehockeystats.net goes.

Atlantic City
2012: 4,131 (Union, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate)
2011: 4,126 (Yale, Cornell, Dartmouth, Colgate)
Albany
2010: 6,505 (Cornell, Union, Brown, St. Lawrence)
2009: 4,857 (Yale, Cornell, St. Lawrence, Princeton)
2008: 4,851 (Princeton, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate)
2007: 5,565 (Clarkson, Quinnipiac, St. Lawrence, Dartmouth)
2006: 7,093 (Harvard, Cornell, Dartmouth, Colgate)
2005: 8,637 (Cornell, Harvard, Colgate, Vermont)
2004: 6,489 (Harvard, Clarkson, Colgate, Dartmouth)
2003: 8,296 (Cornell, Harvard, Dartmouth, Brown)
Lake Placid
2002: 6,518 (Harvard, Cornell, RPI, Clarkson)
2001: 6,256 (St. Lawrence, Cornell, Harvard, Dartmouth)
2000: 6,790 (St. Lawrence, RPI, Colgate, Cornell)

Another thing: during the trophy presentation, neither the rink announcer nor Steve Hagwell made any mention of hoping to see people back in 2013.

[Jim Hyla]

CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA all drew 10,000-plus to its title games according to box score reports, ECAC was sub-5,000, and AHA was sub-2,500 even with the event in RIT's home town.

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League Finals Capacity Pct.   Arena                        Teams in Final[/b]
AHA 2,443 11,200 22% Blue Cross Arena, Rochester Air Force, RIT
ECAC 4,131 10,500 39% Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City Union, Harvard
CCHA 10,421 20,056 52% Joe Louis Arena, Detroit   W Michigan, Michigan
H East 13,079 17,565 74% TD Bank Garden, Boston        BC, Maine
WCHA 16,838 18,064 93% Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul N Dakota, Denver

For the ECAC, was it the venue? The teams? The small-city size? CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA are in real cities. IIRC the Albany finals were 5,000-plus but not 10,000-plus in a building that holds 17,500 for hockey.

I can't believe there wouldn't have been more at Albany. CU fans could easily drive up, closer for Colgate and Harvard's few, and certainly more Union and Capital District CU fans.

And since I left before Saturday's games, were there really more people there for the finals than on Friday? Or was that number counting everybody who went home after Friday?

[Jim Hyla]

CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA all drew 10,000-plus to its title games according to box score reports, ECAC was sub-5,000, and AHA was sub-2,500 even with the event in RIT's home town.

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League Finals Capacity Pct.   Arena                        Teams in Final[/b]
AHA 2,443 11,200 22% Blue Cross Arena, Rochester Air Force, RIT
ECAC 4,131 10,500 39% Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City Union, Harvard
CCHA 10,421 20,056 52% Joe Louis Arena, Detroit   W Michigan, Michigan
H East 13,079 17,565 74% TD Bank Garden, Boston        BC, Maine
WCHA 16,838 18,064 93% Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul N Dakota, Denver

For the ECAC, was it the venue? The teams? The small-city size? CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA are in real cities. IIRC the Albany finals were 5,000-plus but not 10,000-plus in a building that holds 17,500 for hockey.

Another point to remember: the AHA does not hold a consolation game, so I'd bet that most of the 2,443 in Rochester were actually inside the BCA for the final. To me, it didn't look (from the webcast) like there were any more than 1,500 in the building for the ECAC final.

I posted previous attendance figures on the forum last year, so I have them handy. I've also added the last three years in Lake Placid (capacity 7,700), which is as far back as collegehockeystats.net goes.

Atlantic City
2012: 4,131 (Union, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate)
2011: 4,126 (Yale, Cornell, Dartmouth, Colgate)
Albany
2010: 6,505 (Cornell, Union, Brown, St. Lawrence)
2009: 4,857 (Yale, Cornell, St. Lawrence, Princeton)
2008: 4,851 (Princeton, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate)
2007: 5,565 (Clarkson, Quinnipiac, St. Lawrence, Dartmouth)
2006: 7,093 (Harvard, Cornell, Dartmouth, Colgate)
2005: 8,637 (Cornell, Harvard, Colgate, Vermont)
2004: 6,489 (Harvard, Clarkson, Colgate, Dartmouth)
2003: 8,296 (Cornell, Harvard, Dartmouth, Brown)
Lake Placid
2002: 6,518 (Harvard, Cornell, RPI, Clarkson)
2001: 6,256 (St. Lawrence, Cornell, Harvard, Dartmouth)
2000: 6,790 (St. Lawrence, RPI, Colgate, Cornell)

Another thing: during the trophy presentation, neither the rink announcer nor Steve Hagwell made any mention of hoping to see people back in 2013.

Good!

[bnr24]

CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA all drew 10,000-plus to its title games according to box score reports, ECAC was sub-5,000, and AHA was sub-2,500 even with the event in RIT's home town.

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League Finals Capacity Pct.   Arena                        Teams in Final[/b]
AHA 2,443 11,200 22% Blue Cross Arena, Rochester Air Force, RIT
ECAC 4,131 10,500 39% Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City Union, Harvard
CCHA 10,421 20,056 52% Joe Louis Arena, Detroit   W Michigan, Michigan
H East 13,079 17,565 74% TD Bank Garden, Boston        BC, Maine
WCHA 16,838 18,064 93% Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul N Dakota, Denver

For the ECAC, was it the venue? The teams? The small-city size? CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA are in real cities. IIRC the Albany finals were 5,000-plus but not 10,000-plus in a building that holds 17,500 for hockey.

I can't believe there wouldn't have been more at Albany. CU fans could easily drive up, closer for Colgate and Harvard's few, and certainly more Union and Capital District CU fans.

And since I left before Saturday's games, were there really more people there for the finals than on Friday? Or was that number counting everybody who went home after Friday?

I'd say there were definitely more Cornell fans there on Friday than Saturday, but there were definitely a good deal of fans there.  Some different ones, admittedly.  But there were by FAR more people for the Cornell-Colgate consolation game than the Union-Harvard final.  Overall I would say there were more fans Friday than Saturday, by sight alone.

[marty]

CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA all drew 10,000-plus to its title games according to box score reports, ECAC was sub-5,000, and AHA was sub-2,500 even with the event in RIT's home town.

Code Select Expand

[b]
League Finals Capacity Pct.   Arena                        Teams in Final[/b]
AHA 2,443 11,200 22% Blue Cross Arena, Rochester Air Force, RIT
ECAC 4,131 10,500 39% Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City Union, Harvard
CCHA 10,421 20,056 52% Joe Louis Arena, Detroit   W Michigan, Michigan
H East 13,079 17,565 74% TD Bank Garden, Boston        BC, Maine
WCHA 16,838 18,064 93% Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul N Dakota, Denver

For the ECAC, was it the venue? The teams? The small-city size? CCHA, Hockey East, and WCHA are in real cities. IIRC the Albany finals were 5,000-plus but not 10,000-plus in a building that holds 17,500 for hockey.

Another point to remember: the AHA does not hold a consolation game, so I'd bet that most of the 2,443 in Rochester were actually inside the BCA for the final. To me, it didn't look (from the webcast) like there were any more than 1,500 in the building for the ECAC final.

I posted previous attendance figures on the forum last year, so I have them handy. I've also added the last three years in Lake Placid (capacity 7,700), which is as far back as collegehockeystats.net goes.

Atlantic City
2012: 4,131 (Union, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate)
2011: 4,126 (Yale, Cornell, Dartmouth, Colgate)
Albany
2010: 6,505 (Cornell, Union, Brown, St. Lawrence)
2009: 4,857 (Yale, Cornell, St. Lawrence, Princeton)
2008: 4,851 (Princeton, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate)
2007: 5,565 (Clarkson, Quinnipiac, St. Lawrence, Dartmouth)
2006: 7,093 (Harvard, Cornell, Dartmouth, Colgate)
2005: 8,637 (Cornell, Harvard, Colgate, Vermont)
2004: 6,489 (Harvard, Clarkson, Colgate, Dartmouth)
2003: 8,296 (Cornell, Harvard, Dartmouth, Brown)
Lake Placid
2002: 6,518 (Harvard, Cornell, RPI, Clarkson)
2001: 6,256 (St. Lawrence, Cornell, Harvard, Dartmouth)
2000: 6,790 (St. Lawrence, RPI, Colgate, Cornell)

Another thing: during the trophy presentation, neither the rink announcer nor Steve Hagwell made any mention of hoping to see people back in 2013.

Good!

Bad as to the 2008 and 2009 attendance.  Those poor showings are the genesis of the move.::cuss::

[MattS]

Another point to remember: the AHA does not hold a consolation game, so I'd bet that most of the 2,443 in Rochester were actually inside the BCA for the final.

Another thing that hurt the AHA attendance was that the RIT women were playing for the NCAA DIII Championship at the exact same time at RIT as the AF - RIT game at the BCA. So I know that pulled from the attendance the AHA game.