Hockey Advisers

[Rosey]

tl;dr on most of this, but it's always bothered me when people write "NCAA" as "NC$$." Firstly, I find that sort of name-calling puerile and distracting from any substantive argument that may also be there; but more importantly, "$" is the substitution for "S", not "A." I keep reading it in my head as "N-C-S-S." Where does the "$" come from, the fact that the NCAA makes money and two of its letters are doubled up? That makes as much sense as "G$$gle" or "$$$$$$" (that's "Disney," in case you struggled to read it).

Age should just write a filter that converts it back to NCAA. Or to $$$$, which would be even funnier. ;-)

(Incidentally, at the same time he could fix the double quote/close paren ") problem that produces a winking smiley for no good reason I can tell.)

[css228]

Pretty certain they do. Doesn't matter if your an athlete or not, but it may come up more in athlete's cases because they might be a bit more likely to get an offer from HYP than your average student

Ding! Ding! Ding! You're a winner! This is part of why I say it's a smokescreen: it looks equitable on paper, but in reality its application skews toward athletes.

But really, my point is largely related to the fact that the financial aid system is a scam designed to extract the maximum amount of money from students and parents by doing very fine market segmentation. The matching of other Ivys' financial aid packages is just another term in the segmentation formula: offer a better package if there's more competition among our peer group for the student. So, regardless of the precise semantics employed in justifying (or rationalizing) the fairness of such a system, in effect this is a merit scholarship, whether applied to athletics or academics (though as indicated it's more likely to be an issue in athletics).

I have read this over and over and, even with your antagonistic gloss, I can't figure out what your problem is. That people make decisions about things other than "merit"? That merit scholarships are bad? You've lost me.

I don't understand why "athletes" would be more likely to get an offer from HYP than your average student. HYP have higher admissions standards than Cornell does. Anyone who gets into those schools, and gets their financial aid awards, is also likely to get into Cornell and be eligible for matching. I would not have been eligible for matching under those criteria but only because I wasn't an athlete OR a particularly good student.

By average student I meant one that is not an athlete or a prodigy in some art or something like that. Basically it goes back to the wholistic application model. I mean think about it this way you have two equivalent students gpa wise, and score wise- schools of the HYP get tons of applicants with essentially the same scores (so do we) - so they look for something to set them apart, and if you're choosing between the student with that gpa who just ran a few clubs or a Carnegie Hall pianist or a hockey player who can help make the team good then your going to take the student with the equivalent scores that did something more extraordinary. Its not necessarily being an athlete, but its having that extra hook above and beyond your average student here that makes them more likely to get an offer from HYP. Which in my opinion is totally fair. If Im a three season athlete in high school and I've  maintained the GPA and scores of someone else who hasnt done that, why wouldn't it be fair that I'm the more attractive candidate. The same goes for hockey players or physics prodigies, if you're special you're more likely to get an HYP offer which tends to come with better financial aid. So yes of course it ends up being merit money, but at the same time it doesnt mean someone who wouldn't need aid anyway is getting the money as might be the case in a regular merit scholarship situation. Personally, as long as a person has demonstrated financial need, I have no real misgivings about them getting a little extra because they earned it.

[marty]

tl;dr on most of this, but it's always bothered me when people write "NCAA" as "NC$$." Firstly, I find that sort of name-calling puerile and distracting from any substantive argument that may also be there; but more importantly, "$" is the substitution for "S", not "A." I keep reading it in my head as "N-C-S-S." Where does the "$" come from, the fact that the NCAA makes money and two of its letters are doubled up? That makes as much sense as "G$$gle" or "$$$$$$" (that's "Disney," in case you struggled to read it).

Until they throw Sucks out of the organization, I make the argument for NCAA.

Eh?

[KeithK]

tl;dr on most of this, but it's always bothered me when people write "NCAA" as "NC$$." Firstly, I find that sort of name-calling puerile and distracting from any substantive argument that may also be there; but more importantly, "$" is the substitution for "S", not "A." I keep reading it in my head as "N-C-S-S." Where does the "$" come from, the fact that the NCAA makes money and two of its letters are doubled up? That makes as much sense as "G$$gle" or "$$$$$$" (that's "Disney," in case you struggled to read it).

You're entitled to think NC$$ is puerile. I think it captures the focus of an organization that claims to be all about "student-athletes". It's long standing usage back to the HOCKEY-L days.

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

[Jim Hyla]

So, here's Bloomberg on the Patriot League beginning to offer football scholarships.

[billhoward]

The NCAA would be hard-pressed to keep a student from having the advice of a lawyer.

[ftyuv]

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

And I commented on the commentary. I still think it's stupid, distracting and detracting. Deal.

[RichH]

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

And I commented on the commentary. I still think it's stupid, distracting and detracting. Deal.

But what's indisputable is the fact that JFK is clearly the farthest of the 3 airports from Manhattan.

[Ben]

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

And I commented on the commentary. I still think it's stupid, distracting and detracting. Deal.

But what's indisputable is the fact that JFK is clearly the farthest of the 3 airports from Manhattan.

[ftyuv]

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

And I commented on the commentary. I still think it's stupid, distracting and detracting. Deal.

But what's indisputable is the fact that JFK is clearly the farthest of the 3 airports from Manhattan.

Is that a reference to something? It feels like it is, but I can't place it.

[Rosey]

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

And I commented on the commentary. I still think it's stupid, distracting and detracting. Deal.

But what's indisputable is the fact that JFK is clearly the farthest of the 3 airports from Manhattan.

Instead of having to manually pollute every thread with every other thread, Age should just switch to a Clarkson Hockey Roundtable threadless style.

[Beeeej]

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

And I commented on the commentary. I still think it's stupid, distracting and detracting. Deal.

But what's indisputable is the fact that JFK is clearly the farthest of the 3 airports from Manhattan.

Instead of having to manually pollute every thread with every other thread, Age should just switch to a Clarkson Hockey Roundtable threadless style.

No he shouldn't.

::banana::

[jtwcornell91]

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

And I commented on the commentary. I still think it's stupid, distracting and detracting. Deal.

But what's indisputable is the fact that JFK is clearly the farthest of the 3 airports from Manhattan.

Instead of having to manually pollute every thread with every other thread, Age should just switch to a Clarkson Hockey Roundtable threadless style.

No he shouldn't.

::banana::

Our KNIGHTS are
AWESOME!!!!

[Robb]

You left out "absolutely."  Maybe they are only probably awesome?

[ursusminor]

OTOH The complaint that $ should only be used to replace S is silly.  NCAA isn't a swear word that we're trying to "sanitize" by switching a letter to a symbol. It's commentary. Deal.

And I commented on the commentary. I still think it's stupid, distracting and detracting. Deal.

But what's indisputable is the fact that JFK is clearly the farthest of the 3 airports from Manhattan.

Instead of having to manually pollute every thread with every other thread, Age should just switch to a Clarkson Hockey Roundtable threadless style.

No he shouldn't.

::banana::

Our KNIGHTS are
AWESOME!!!!

I once wrote there "Our Knights are Awful". They didn't like that, even though it was in a year when they were. :-)