Cornell 4 at Dartmouth 1 postgame

[Al DeFlorio]

From the Dartmouth write-up on the game (and imagine the look of surprise on Devine's face):  

"The Big Red added to its total at 14:07 when both teams rushed the Dartmouth net."::nut::

[sah67]

[quote RichH]

The Dartmouth goal was a well-executed 2-on-1.  Li'l Gaudet just had to hold onto his stick and it was going in.  Our guy (can't remember who) played the carrier to take the shot and not the pass and got burned.  Can't fault Scrivens.

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'Twas Berk...who seemed to making a bunch of rookie mistakes all weekend.  I too, could only watch shaking my head, as lil' Gaudet skate in un-defended as Berk focused on whoever had the puck, completely unconcerned with blocking the obvious pass to come.

Speaking of Lil' Gaudet...can you imagine growing up with that guy for a dad?

*cough* The coach beats his son!  The coach beats his son! *cough* ::asshole::

[redhair34]

[quote billhoward]
Nicholls' second goal (in the third) was nice but a lucky (or skillful) takeaway.
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Here's my take. A Dartmouth defensemen was about to receive the puck just inside the Dartmouth blue line.  Nicholls had him lined up and was about to cream him, when the defensemen got spooked (wet himself) and lost sight of the puck.  It trickled behind him and Nicholls picked up the puck and skated in all alone.

[redhair34]

[quote calgARI '07]With Mugford expected back, Scali wouldn't have played anyways.[/quote]

The problem is that Fontas got injured at some point late in the third period.  He sort of glided off the ice and didn't see another shift.  The bench was on our side so it was tough to see if/how he was being attended to.  So if he's unable to play Roezler will likely draw back into the lineup.

[redhair34]

[quote sah67]

'Twas Berk...who seemed to making a bunch of rookie mistakes all weekend.[/quote]


Agreed.  He looked much better the first weekend at Lynah.

[LaJollaRed]

In my opinion, Berk did exactly what the defenseman is supposed to do in that situation, and it's a save he makes most of the time.

On a 2-1 rush, the defender is supposed to "take the pass" allowing the goalie to focus entirely on the player with the puck. I've been taught (told) to imagine it as though it was a 2-goalie situation. Berk is meant to block the "shot" to the oncoming forward, and Scrivens is meant to keep all (most) of his attention on the player with the puck until the last possible second.

That said, in this particular instance, the Dartmouth player made a phenomenal pass that just barely got around the sliding Berk. It's a play that he made very well two weekends ago, but given the amount of times he's had to do it this season, it was only a matter of averages before one got by him.

Already, as a freshman (my favorite player so far this year) he's blocked many, many shots and passes from his stomach. He's proving to be very valuable when we suffer odd-man rushes and intercepted passes.

...He just happens to take the occasional stupid penalty.

[oceanst41]

For those who were there/watched, how much of a fight was the fight? I'm curious because after seeing the scrum during the NoDak/Wisconsin game I was surprised to see no DQs handed out there (And there were definitely punches thrown in that instance).

[LaJollaRed]

I was at the game. IMO Krueger didn't deserve the DQ. He and the Dartmouth player kept each other at arms length and circled for a few moments without really throwing much of a punch.

Scali had some pretty determined shoving, and I think he deserved the DQ just as much as the Dartmouth player.

Interesting: I wonder if anyone else noticed that Greening left the bench to join the fight, but the team screamed at him to come back. He stopped, seemed to think about it for a second, then sprinted back to the bench. Did anyone else see that?

[Rita]

[quote LaJollaRed]I was at the game. IMO Krueger didn't deserve the DQ. He and the Dartmouth player kept each other at arms length and circled for a few moments without really throwing much of a punch.

Scali had some pretty determined shoving, and I think he deserved the DQ just as much as the Dartmouth player.

Interesting: I wonder if anyone else noticed that Greening left the bench to join the fight, but the team screamed at him to come back. He stopped, seemed to think about it for a second, then sprinted back to the bench. Did anyone else see that?[/quote]

Not those of us watching the video, but Jason did mention it on the Cornell audio feed. I can only imagine what the coaching staff must have yelled at him.

[redhair34]

[quote LaJollaRed]
On a 2-1 rush, the defender is supposed to "take the pass" allowing the goalie to focus entirely on the player with the puck.
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Exactly, but he didn't do that. If he did, the Dartmouth player wouldn't have received the puck.  There's no in between-- you either take the pass away or you don't.

[redhair34]

[quote oceanst41]For those who were there/watched, how much of a fight was the fight? I'm curious because after seeing the scrum during the NoDak/Wisconsin game I was surprised to see no DQs handed out there (And there were definitely punches thrown in that instance).[/quote]

It was a joke.  I was pretty shocked to hear they gave DQ's out when I got home.  If those decisions can be reviewed I wouldn't be surprised to see at least Krueger's DQ get reversed--he was basically just keeping the Dartmouth player from groping him.  However, I seem to recall that some Clarkson player  (maybe Nick Dodge?) received a bogus DQ last year but there were some rumblings about how the on ice decisions for DQ's are irreversible.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote LaJollaRed]Interesting: I wonder if anyone else noticed that Greening left the bench to join the fight, but the team screamed at him to come back. He stopped, seemed to think about it for a second, then sprinted back to the bench. Did anyone else see that?[/quote]

Exactly as you described. Some of us in the stands were screaming as well. As a captain (yes an assistant) he needs to know better. It's his job to keep the players in check. Scrivens did a good job of telling them to get off the ice before they got into more trouble.

That said, the DQs were too severe in my opinion. I've seen worse without those penalties. However there were a number of missed plays by the officials as well. Once we flipped the puck, with a high stick, out of our defensive zone (I don't remember who) and they called D'mouth for a high stick and moved the face off down to our offensive end, as if D'mouth did it. Then for some reason they put it outside our offensive red line. Anybody got an explanation? I, and others, thought D'mouth got screwed.

[oceanst41]

I figured as much. In the WCHA game I mentioned above the fight started because a slash, which resulted in a haymaker being thrown back at the offending Badger. From there all of the skaters were paired up with someone with at least two of the pairings throwing punches. I don't know what exactly the NCAA constitutes as a fight but it seemed like at least one set of matching DQs was warranted in that occasion. Yet none were handed out, just roughing minors and game misconducts across the board.

So it seems interesting to me that all 10 of those players only received game misconducts and could play the next game, whereas only 4 players in this game get DQed.

[marty]

[quote oceanst41]
So it seems interesting to me that all 10 of those players only received game misconducts and could play the next game, whereas only 4 players in this game get DQed.[/quote]

When in the game did that happen to the 10?  If there were no DQs in this game then essentially there would have been no penalties.  On the record yes, but of any importance to the teams, no.

[Rita]

[quote marty][quote oceanst41]
So it seems interesting to me that all 10 of those players only received game misconducts and could play the next game, whereas only 4 players in this game get DQed.[/quote]

When in the game did that happen to the 10?  If there were no DQs in this game then essentially there would have been no penalties.  On the record yes, but of any importance to the teams, no.[/quote]

There was about 3 minutes or so left in the game and North Dakota was up by 3 goals. All players involved were escorted off the ice since even if the game went to OT, the penalties would not have expired.

Also posted here.