Cornell 5, Quinnipiac 3 (postgame)

[hockeydude]

Yes, Princeton scored two goals in the third and Davenport made a phenomenal save on a 2 on 0 after a defensive zone turnover with about two minutes left to preserve the win. I believe that period was the start of the struggles for Cornell last year. With the way Cornell rebounded in the third period against Q, that may be a momentum changer for the rest of the season.

[Doug '08]

[quote CollegeHockeyAddict]I would like to thank the cow bell guy (sorry I didn't catch your user name it was loud when you told me) and the rest of the Cornell fans for making me feel welcomed even though I am a Gopher fan. Getting the chance to experience Lynah from section B was fantastic.  I will be visiting quite a few other rinks/arneas out east this fall but it is going to be tough for them to top Saturday night.[/quote]

Glad you enjoyed the game- look forward to seeing you at MSG at the end of the month.

[fullofgas]

[quote CollegeHockeyAddict]I would like to thank the cow bell guy (sorry I didn't catch your user name it was loud when you told me) and the rest of the Cornell fans for making me feel welcomed even though I am a Gopher fan. Getting the chance to experience Lynah from section B was fantastic.  I will be visiting quite a few other rinks/arneas out east this fall but it is going to be tough for them to top Saturday night.[/quote]
Glad you enjoyed the Lynah experience!  Its always nice to hear other fans coming in to Ithaca and being able to appreciate Lynah for what it is...one of the best sports experiences and having fans make you feel welcome is also very nice to hear!  Thanks.

[CowbellGuy]

Was just doing the box scores and noticed something with the penalty shot. Q was on the power play at the time, so it should be a PPG, but the Cornell box score and collegehockeystats show it as even strength. That's incorrect, right? Which also makes their PP chances wrong. 2 minors in the first, Nicholls and Nash minors in the second. Then two for the Berk major (start, and third Q goal), and one more for the Sawada minor during the major? Can't remember if a minor completely encompassed by a major counts as two.

[KeithK]

[quote CowbellGuy]Was just doing the box scores and noticed something with the penalty shot. Q was on the power play at the time, so it should be a PPG, but the Cornell box score and collegehockeystats show it as even strength. That's incorrect, right?[/quote]
I would assume that a penalty shot never counts as a power play goal.  It's a just penalty shot, a special case.  It makes no difference to the play itself whether the teams were at even strength when it was called.

Not saying I'm right. Just that the Cornell and collegehockeystats boxes are consistent with what I would expect to see.

[Jacob 03]

[quote KeithK]I would assume that a penalty shot never counts as a power play goal.  It's a just penalty shot, a special case.  It makes no difference to the play itself whether the teams were at even strength when it was called.

Not saying I'm right. Just that the Cornell and collegehockeystats boxes are consistent with what I would expect to see.[/quote]I can't argue with what you'd expect, Keith, but I can understand why it makes perfect sense to count it as a power play goal.  Penalty shots are awarded to recreate the breakaway that just happened during the game's normal play.  You're right that once it's just the skater and the goalie (as in the penalty shot) the number of players behind the skater ceases to matter.  That's just as true in a power play breakaway situation when the skater wasn't taken down from behind, though. If he goes on to score he still gets a PP goal, even though it was just the goalie and him for the last third of the ice.  

You (if you're the one deciding scoring rules) have to assume that the breakaway leading to the penalty shot was a result of the man-advantage situation, just like you assume that any goal scored during a power play is a result of the man-advantage situation.  Once you acknowledge that it was essentially a "PP breakaway" (which could lead to a PP goal), it stands to reason that the penalty shot resulting from it and mimicking it could lead to a PP goal.

[CowbellGuy]

Rule 4 Section 2 A.R. 1.6: A penalty cannot expire as a result of a goal scored on a penalty shot.

Though there's nothing in there that directly answers the question, that's the closest I could find to indicate that it would not be a PPG, which kind of goes against the whole "recreating the breakaway" business.

[ACM]

See the NCAA Ice Hockey Statisticians Manual, page 10, section 8, article 6:

Penalty shots are not considered power-play opportunities. A
goal scored on a penalty shot is always even-strength, however it should
be noted if the attempt was awarded during a power-play or short-handed
situation.

[redhair34]

Speaking of the penalty shot, check out this new column, "Off the Crossbar," in the Ithaca Journal .  This is the second installment and I hope he keeps it up during the year; he does a real nice job.


http://ithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071106/SPORTS/711060334

[CowbellGuy]

Thanks. Was looking for that manual, but couldn't find it.

[Cactus12]

That was an extremely comprehensive Cornell hockey article... very impressive.

As for the penalty shot rule, I think they should switch to the NHL's version. The ability to backcheck on a breakaway and knock the puck away is an amazing defensive play. It's just another rule that removes skill from the game.

[upperdeck]

tripping is tripping.. so its a penalty.. i still havent seen any evidence as to why it was a penalty shot.. the puck was gone and since he got the puck he didnt have a clear chance to shoot removed by the penalty.. now if he tripped the guy and then hit the puck maybe but thats not the way it happened..

[Jim Hyla]

[quote upperdeck]tripping is tripping.. so its a penalty.. i still havent seen any evidence as to why it was a penalty shot.. the puck was gone and since he got the puck he didnt have a clear chance to shoot removed by the penalty.. now if he tripped the guy and then hit the puck maybe but thats not the way it happened..[/quote]

Agree, totally.

[amerks127]

That was a fantastic article.  Great investigative reporting by Thomas on the penalty shot.

I do agree, though, that the NCAA should adopt the NHL version of the rule.

[RichH]

[quote amerks127]That was a fantastic article.  Great investigative reporting by Thomas on the penalty shot.[/quote]

If you mean a journalist actually taking the time to open the rule book, yes.  ;-)

But seriously, I agree, very good writing.  This may be a column to follow.