Polls 12/5/05

[dadeo]

USCHO.com/CSTV Division I Men's Poll
December 5, 2005

 Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (40) 13-1-2 800 1
2 Miami  11-2-1 727 8
3 Vermont  11-3-1 722 5
4 Colorado College  12-5-1 606 2
5 North Dakota  10-5-1 581 9
6 Boston College  7-4-1 538 6
7 Michigan  9-5-1 525 3
8 Minnesota  7-5-4 522 4
9 Cornell  8-3-1 449 11
10 Maine  9-5-0 422 7
11 Denver  8-6-2 410 15
12 New Hampshire  8-5-3 409 10
13 Colgate  10-2-3 402 13
14 St. Lawrence  11-5-0 347 12
15 Harvard  7-4-1 186 14
16 Clarkson  9-4-1 184 18
17 Bemidji State  9-3-0 118 17
18 Boston University  5-6-2 102 20
19 Providence  8-6-1 81 NR
20 Nebraska-Omaha  9-6-0 80 NR
Others Receiving Votes: Lake Superior 51, Alaska-Fairbanks 44, Michigan State 19, Ferris State 17, Northern Michigan 11, Union 11, Ohio State 10, Holy Cross 8, Mercyhurst 7, Minnesota-Duluth 6, St. Cloud State 4, Alabama-Huntsville 1  

[dadeo]

Great - Miami is high.
But how is Vermont #3.  Wait til they come crashing back to earth.

For example.  sioux sports pwr rank is #9, cornell is #12.  St. Lawrence is #3 (go fig)
(over rated clap clap clap-clap-clap)

[Rosey]

The team I've been watching for the past few weeks clearly doesn't deserve to be ranked ninth.  So, it's no surprise to me that Vermont might be ranked too highly.

Kyle

[RichH]

Now we're seeing some interesting differences in the two major polls:

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine
Men's College Hockey Poll - Dec. 5, 2005

               Last Weeks in
No. Team       Points   Record   Week  top 15
1.  Wisconsin       510(34) 13-1-2    1    10
2.  Miami (Ohio)    462   11-2-1    8   6
3.  Vermont       444   11-3-1    5   8
4.  North Dakota    356   10-5-1    9   10
5.  Colorado College   334   12-5-1    2   10
6.  Boston College    288   7-4-1    6   10
7.  Michigan       309   9-5-1    3   10
8.  Minnesota       283   7-5-4    4   10
9.  New Hampshire    198   8-5-3   10   10
T10.Denver       187   8-6-2   15   10
T10.Maine       187   9-5-0    7   10
12. Colgate       169   10-2-3   13   3
13. Cornell       157   8-3-1   11   10
14. St. Lawrence    104   11-5-0   12   4
T15.Clarkson       31   9-4-1   NR   1
T15.Providence College    31   8-6-1   NR   1

Others receiving votes: Harvard University, 20; University of Nebraska 
Omaha, 10; The Ohio State University, 10; Bemidji State University, 4; 
Boston University, 2; Mercyhurst College, 2.

[calgARI '07]

I think USA Today got it right.  

[jtwcornell91]

Interesting that Colgate swept the same two opponents as we, and arguably had a tougher time of it, and managed to pass us in the USA Today poll.  In the world of poll dynamics, I think we have to chalk this up to diminished weighting given to pre-season expectations.  Now that we've played a sensible number of games, Colgate's better record against comparible competition matters more.

[calgARI '07]

Would have been very interesting to see how Vermont would have done in the ECAC this year but it appears that they would have been leading the pack.

[French Rage]

[Q]dadeo Wrote:

 Great - Miami is high.
But how is Vermont #3.  Wait til they come crashing back to earth.

For example.  sioux sports pwr rank is #9, cornell is #12.  St. Lawrence is #3 (go fig)
(over rated clap clap clap-clap-clap)



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 12/05/05 03:22PM by dadeo.[/q]

SLU's RPI, and thus PWR, is helped largely by being the only team to beat Wisconsin thus far.

[jkahn]

Given the ECAC's inter-conference success this year, I think SLU (with their split at Wisconsin) and Colgate should both be higher.   Miami's next three games are SLU, Clarkson and RPI - which will be a good test for those teams.

[KeithK]

SLU's RPI isn't helped especially by beating Wisconsin.  It doesn't matter in RPI who you beat, just how many wins you get and who you play.  SLU's RPI would be the same (to first order) if they had lost to Wisconsin and beated RIT instead of the reverse.

PWR is a different story (although it usually tracks RPI pretty closely anyway).

[JordanCS]

Perhaps we're not a top-10 team right now, but it seems awfully screwy to drop spots after a 4-point weekend, so I can't say that USA Today got it right.  

[Will]

[Q]JordanCS Wrote:

 Perhaps we're not a top-10 team right now, but it seems awfully screwy to drop spots after a 4-point weekend, so I can't say that USA Today got it right.  [/q]

Perhaps, but on the other hand, a lot of us don't think Cornell should have been as high as 11 to begin with.  13, on the other hand, seems just about right at the current time.  (Though, to be fair, there are a few teams above us that should probably be below us, and vice versa.)

[dadeo]

Yes - I agree that its not that we seem to be a 'top 10 team'
But then again, the top 10 teams arent all 'top 10 teams' either.
The only really dominant teams are Wisconsin, Miami of Ohio, and maybe CC.
After that, no team seems as deserving. (Certainly not UVM, Minnesota, UNH, Maine, or Denver(well maybe Denver is on par with us, go fig).
So that leaves us at 7 or 8 (where we are on USCHO)