Cornell-SLU post-game thread

cs92@cornell.edu · January 30, 2005, 01:43:08 PM

[Q]JDeafv Wrote:

Avash - It's nice to see you doing the writeups for the Cornell home games on USCHO, it's nice not to see "Compiled by USCHO Staff."

I don't think Sasha is an NHL draft pick (being one of two starting defensemen who missed the game). Unless the two defensemen you were talking about were not Gleed and Pokulok, but our other drafted D-man is O'Byrne who I thought played last night.

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FYI, Dan Glover is also a drafted D-man.

Avash · January 30, 2005, 01:43:47 PM

[Q]JDeafv Wrote:

Avash - It's nice to see you doing the writeups for the Cornell home games on USCHO, it's nice not to see "Compiled by USCHO Staff."

I don't think Sasha is an NHL draft pick (being one of two starting defensemen who missed the game). Unless the two defensemen you were talking about were not Gleed and Pokulok, but our other drafted D-man is O'Byrne who I thought played last night.

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You're absolutely right; Gleed's drafted, and Pokulok is not. Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that! Maybe I was just looking into the future ;-). Anyhow, "my bad."

Dart~Ben · January 30, 2005, 01:49:49 PM

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
Seems to me they dropped the auto-bid for regular-season "champion" when the two new conferences came into being.[/q]

Not really. Any conference could award its automatic bid to its regular season champion if it wanted to. Hell, a conference could draw lots to see who got its automatic bid if it really wanted to.

BTW, off-topic, but are the Bradley-Terry ratings or the ECAC Prediction page on TBRW? going to be updated for 2005? Just curious...

jtwcornell91 · January 30, 2005, 02:05:11 PM

[Q]HeafDog Wrote:
I guess this means that the regular season ECAC crown no longer gets an automatic tourney bid, eh? That question came up at the CU-Clarkson game on TV in NY on Fri., and I told whomever I was talking to that it still got a bid, but I guess I must've been wrong. When was the change made?[/q]

It was made just in time for Clarkson to miss the NCAAs after finishing in 1st place and getting upset but UVM at Cheel in 2001. ::laugh::

jtwcornell91 · January 30, 2005, 02:06:33 PM

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
Seems to me they dropped the auto-bid for regular-season "champion" when the two new conferences came into being.[/q]

It was when the MAAC got an auto-bid. Before that each conference was guaranteed two bids (out of 12) and the Colorado College Rule gave the second bid to the regular-season winner if they weren't also the tournament champion.

jtwcornell91 · January 30, 2005, 02:10:02 PM

[Q]Dart~Ben Wrote:
BTW, off-topic, but are the Bradley-Terry ratings or the ECAC Prediction page on TBRW? going to be updated for 2005? Just curious...[/q]

Hadn't realized there was a webserver on slack yet; for some reason my cron job isn't running, but I just ran it again by hand. The playoff possibilities page usually goes up once the travel-partner series are over, although Harvard and Brown have an annoying late Tuesday game. But I'll probably have it up next week.

Will · January 30, 2005, 02:12:37 PM

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

It was when the MAAC got an auto-bid. Before that each conference was guaranteed two bids (out of 12) and the Colorado College Rule gave the second bid to the regular-season winner if they weren't also the tournament champion.[/q]

If the RS winner was the conference tourney winner, who did the second bid go to? 2nd in the RS? Tourney runner-up?

Al DeFlorio · January 30, 2005, 02:18:29 PM

[Q]Dart~Ben Wrote:

[Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
Seems to me they dropped the auto-bid for regular-season "champion" when the two new conferences came into being.[/Q]
Not really. Any conference could award its automatic bid to its regular season champion if it wanted to. Hell, a conference could draw lots to see who got its automatic bid if it really wanted to.
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Yes, really.

The NCAA extended an auto-bid to the so-called regular season champion for six years: 1995-2000. In 2001 the NCAA stopped doing it and left it up to the individual conferences to choose the criterion for each conference's one auto-bid.

JDeafv · January 30, 2005, 03:11:02 PM

Alright, I agree he's good and was trying not to woof by saying as high as the 3rd round. Of course it would be great if he goes in the 1st round.

He's not all that big compared to some of the current NHL guys, but he is only 18 and a true Frosh, but his potential is incredible.

jtwcornell91 · January 30, 2005, 03:29:18 PM

[Q]Will Wrote:

[Q2]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

It was when the MAAC got an auto-bid. Before that each conference was guaranteed two bids (out of 12) and the Colorado College Rule gave the second bid to the regular-season winner if they weren't also the tournament champion.[/Q]
If the RS winner was the conference tourney winner, who did the second bid go to? 2nd in the RS? Tourney runner-up?[/q]

The next-best team according to the selection criteria. It never came up, but would have if Clarkson had won the ECACs in 1995. There was a lot of griping about it from Brown fans on Hockey-L because UVM was next in line even though Brown finished ahead of them in the regular season.

ETA: Here are some of the posts:

Luis Valente (Brown) being a blowhard: http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9601&L=Hockey-L&D=0&I=-3&P=73032
John Haeussler (Michigan) calling him out for it: http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9601&L=Hockey-L&D=0&I=-3&P=73250
Mike Machnik (Merrimack) spelling out the selection criteria: http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9601&L=Hockey-L&D=0&I=-3&P=73565
Keith Instone (BGSU) confirming how the committee works: http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9601&L=Hockey-L&D=0&I=-3&P=74550

[baiting adam]Of course, Brown only got knocked out of the ECACs that year because of Princeton's clutch-and-grab play in the quarterfinals [/baiting adam]

ben03 · January 30, 2005, 04:08:10 PM

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

He's 6'5 with an excellent offensive skills. Pokuluk will go first round. If he played for Michigan or BC, etc. and came out of the NDP, he would go top 10. He is better than Whitney was a couple years ago when Whitney was taken 5th overall.[/q]
IMHO, LeNeveu and Pokulok have the highest "NHL potential" of players i've seen in a cornell sweater. i agree with ari and think (if/when there is an NHL) Sasha will definitely go in the first round.

Dart~Ben · January 30, 2005, 10:23:45 PM

[q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
Yes, really.

The NCAA extended an auto-bid to the so-called regular season champion for six years: 1995-2000. In 2001 the NCAA stopped doing it and left it up to the individual conferences to choose the criterion for each conference's one auto-bid.[/q]

My point, though, is that the NCAA didn't eliminate the possibility of the regular season champion getting an auto-bid, they merely stopped hockey's unique practice of giving two automatic bids per conference and brought the sport in line with every other major sport by giving just one auto bid per conference.

The regular season champion could still get an automatic bid if the conference decided it wanted to award it that way, with the main example of that being the Ivy League in virtually every sport (baseball excepted).

KeithK · January 31, 2005, 02:33:24 AM

[q]I have enough white hairs worrying about Cornell winning. Why would I concern myself with Colgate's getting an at-large NCAA bid? [/q]You've got first order rooting and second order rooting. First order of business is Cornell winning every game... this I worry about. The rest of the conference doing well is good for Cornell in the long run so I'm rooting for a good finish. But if Colgate drops out of contention while Cornell gets in I won't lose any sleep over it. Second order.

jy3 · January 31, 2005, 08:49:06 PM

not sure if you guys saw this from the uscho recap for the slu(t) - cornell game

"Our kids played extremely well," said Marsh. "It's deceiving because most of our energy was spent playing defense, but that's okay because we've spent most of our energy this year playing offense."

"Cornell creates a lot of energy in here. The crowd is a tremendous advantage for them, and this is the toughest place in the league to play by far. By far."

http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20042005/m/01/29/slu-cor.php

Greg Berge · January 31, 2005, 10:23:33 PM

[Q]ben03 Wrote:
IMHO, LeNeveu and Pokulok have the highest "NHL potential" of players i've seen in a cornell sweater.[/q]
My top ten, going back to '82, and considering only the feeling at the height of their college career, would be:

1. Joe Nieuwendyk
2. Kent Manderville
3. Dave LeNeveu
4. Parris Duffus
5. Doug Murray
6. Dan Ratushny
7. Doug Dadswell
8. Darren Eliot
9. Ryan Hughes
10. Mark McRae

I'm still shaking my head as to why neither Duffus nor Ratushny stuck. And I'm shocked, amazed, and pleased to death that Chartrand made it, and that Dadswell stuck for so long.