Where is the pairwise ranking?

[Jordan 04]

Which way off?

[Greg Berge]

Was wondering about Brown-- I thought everybody over .500 against D-1 opponents made it to PWR.  Oh, now I remember that you have to be > .500 RPI.  Brown is currently 31st in RPI;  Harvard is 35th!

Cornell is pretty consistent in all the ratings:

PWR: 14 (down from 22)
RPI: 13
KRACH: 14
CHODR: 13 (hasn't been updated for the weekend)
HEAL: 10 (down from 18)
CCHP: 12



Post Edited (12-29-03 15:09)

[Steve Marciniec \'85]

And you thought I was delusional for thinking we had an outside shot at an at large bid. :-P   Hopefully it won't matter if we get a repeat performance in Albany this March, but it's nice to know the Red can make the NCAAs antother way as well.  

Great weekend in Florida!  Keep up the good work guys. B-]

[Greg Berge]

Well, you're still probably delusional.  The 14th best RPI last year was .5497.  Cornell is currently at .5429 in RPI -- 13th, true, but lower than last year.  I can't see the ECAC SOS moving Cornell's RPI *up* from now until March.

It would be interesting to see what the spread of RPIs was last year on 1/1.  The figures above suggest that the mean of the top 15 or so teams actually moves north after the break, I guess as top teams beat up on their conference opponents.  The reason that effect hurts Cornell with respective to the other Big Four is the horrible ECAC mean RPI, which can be overcome only by nearly running the table (as the Red did last year, going 18-1-1 between 1/1 and the selection show).

Now, if Cornell goes 18-1-1 through Albany than yeah, they're going to make it even as an at large.  But...



Post Edited (12-29-03 16:15)

[Steve Marciniec \'85]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but last year I thought Cornell moved up from 5th in the PWR after the Everblades up to 1st at the end of the season.  Not that I expect a repeat of last year's amazing ECAC record, but you never know.  And if we had won a couple of those so-called meaningless OOC games at Lynah in November, we'd be in even better position.

[Greg Berge]

Cornell definitely finished 2003 #1 in PWR:

http://members.cox.net/tbrw/2003/polls/2003_rpi.html

I don't recall them being #1 at any time before very late in the year.



Post Edited (12-29-03 16:17)

[Steve Marciniec \'85]

We're thinking the same thing at the same time.  I like your edit. ;-)

[Greg Berge]

Yep, I noticed that too. ;-)

[jy3]

don't forget to cheer for teams cornell has beaten to win. only teams that you do not want to win are those that cornell is close to even if they played them and/or games that will swing comparisons. ah, this is so complicated ;-) ::nut::

[Greg Berge]

And those teams are, with current RPI ranking:

+ Western Michigan (21)
+ Bowling Green (37)
+ Ohio State (6)
+ Mercyhurst (25)
+ Notre Dame (14)

(and of course, all ECAC teams when they play NC games).

It's nice to be 1-0 against the most likely possible bubble matchup among those (ND).

[jtwcornell91]

Greg Berge '85 wrote:
It would be interesting to see what the spread of RPIs was last year on 1/1.  

This can be done:

http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2003/rankings.diy.shtml

(It's called do-it-yourself for a reason. ;-) )

[jkahn]

We moved up to #1 when CC lost the WCHA final to Minnesota.  Since the discussion here started based upon whether we can move up enough to gain  an NCAA spot even if we don't win the ECAC tournament, it should be noted that if we not beaten Harvard in the ECAC final last year, we would have been #4.  Of course, in general it's easier to move up from #13 than from #5, but on the other hand, we can't expect the same ECAC dominance that we had last year.