Cornell 1, Dartmouth 1

[KeithK]

A hit like Neiley's isn't any of those penalties, because those penalties happen during the game.  What Neiley did isn't a penalty at all.  It's more akin to waiting for Bardreau after the game and clubbing him in the knees or something.

A cheap hockey shot is a cheap hockey shot.  What Neiley did had nothing to do with hockey.  Like I said, I'm not a huge fan of the "suspend the guy until the guy he injured returns" concept, but it makes more sense when a guy injures someone outside of a game of hockey than inside it.

Oh come on. It happened seconds after the buzzer. It was dangerous and stupid because Bardreau was vulnerable, not expecting a hit. But it's nothing like assaulting him after the game. This was almost certainly a case of a kid who was amped up after a hard fought hockey game doing somethign stupid to take out his agression/frustration. Should he be punished for it. Absolutely. But lets keep some perspective here.

[Towerroad]

A hit like Neiley's isn't any of those penalties, because those penalties happen during the game.  What Neiley did isn't a penalty at all.  It's more akin to waiting for Bardreau after the game and clubbing him in the knees or something.

A cheap hockey shot is a cheap hockey shot.  What Neiley did had nothing to do with hockey.  Like I said, I'm not a huge fan of the "suspend the guy until the guy he injured returns" concept, but it makes more sense when a guy injures someone outside of a game of hockey than inside it.

Oh come on. It happened seconds after the buzzer. It was dangerous and stupid because Bardreau was vulnerable, not expecting a hit. But it's nothing like assaulting him after the game. This was almost certainly a case of a kid who was amped up after a hard fought hockey game doing somethign stupid to take out his agression/frustration. Should he be punished for it. Absolutely. But lets keep some perspective here.

Ok, lets ask the following question? If this happened in the parking lot after the game it would pretty clearly be criminal assault.

If it happens as the buzzer sounds it is part of the game and the Referees had out the justice.

At what point after the final buzzer sounds do we cross the line.

I am not a big fan of the thuggery in Hockey. It is going to end at some point because 100's of ex professional players who are now drooling in their shoes due to concussions and their lawyers are going to make it unprofitable to continue.

[RichH]

A hit like Neiley's isn't any of those penalties, because those penalties happen during the game.  What Neiley did isn't a penalty at all.  It's more akin to waiting for Bardreau after the game and clubbing him in the knees or something.

A cheap hockey shot is a cheap hockey shot.  What Neiley did had nothing to do with hockey.  Like I said, I'm not a huge fan of the "suspend the guy until the guy he injured returns" concept, but it makes more sense when a guy injures someone outside of a game of hockey than inside it.

Oh come on. It happened seconds after the buzzer. It was dangerous and stupid because Bardreau was vulnerable, not expecting a hit. But it's nothing like assaulting him after the game. This was almost certainly a case of a kid who was amped up after a hard fought hockey game doing somethign stupid to take out his agression/frustration. Should he be punished for it. Absolutely. But lets keep some perspective here.

Agree with this.

I'm completely speculating, but the confrontation, after watching the video several times, seems to stem off of Cornell forwards busting up the ice as if to make a rush after the buzzer had already sounded. Similar to taking exception to a forward shooting at the net well after the buzzer. "Where do you think you're going? We just tied your ranked ass. It's over, stop skating." It still was not right, it was still ridiculously dirty & bush-league, but that's what it seems like to me.

[andyw2100]

I'm completely speculating, but the confrontation, after watching the video several times, seems to stem off of Cornell forwards busting up the ice as if to make a rush after the buzzer had already sounded. Similar to taking exception to a forward shooting at the net well after the buzzer. "Where do you think you're going? We just tied your ranked ass. It's over, stop skating." It still was not right, it was still ridiculously dirty & bush-league, but that's what it seems like to me.

You could be right, but if you are it's just one more error in judgment Neiley made. Bardreau never touched the puck after the buzzer, instead letting it glide away in front of him, as he slowed down. He was skating hard at the buzzer, but stopped about as fast as someone could respond to the buzzer, taking one last hard stride a split second after the buzzer, and then just gliding. He absolutely let up, and was turning to the bench when he got leveled.

Again, you could be right that somehow in Neiley's mind Bardreau was somehow still rushing up ice, but he clearly was not.

[Johnny 5]

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[Dafatone]

A hit like Neiley's isn't any of those penalties, because those penalties happen during the game.  What Neiley did isn't a penalty at all.  It's more akin to waiting for Bardreau after the game and clubbing him in the knees or something.

A cheap hockey shot is a cheap hockey shot.  What Neiley did had nothing to do with hockey.  Like I said, I'm not a huge fan of the "suspend the guy until the guy he injured returns" concept, but it makes more sense when a guy injures someone outside of a game of hockey than inside it.

Oh come on. It happened seconds after the buzzer. It was dangerous and stupid because Bardreau was vulnerable, not expecting a hit. But it's nothing like assaulting him after the game. This was almost certainly a case of a kid who was amped up after a hard fought hockey game doing somethign stupid to take out his agression/frustration. Should he be punished for it. Absolutely. But lets keep some perspective here.

Agree with this.

I'm completely speculating, but the confrontation, after watching the video several times, seems to stem off of Cornell forwards busting up the ice as if to make a rush after the buzzer had already sounded. Similar to taking exception to a forward shooting at the net well after the buzzer. "Where do you think you're going? We just tied your ranked ass. It's over, stop skating." It still was not right, it was still ridiculously dirty & bush-league, but that's what it seems like to me.

I guess we just see it differently, since to me I don't see Neiley continuing play at all.  Bardreau and some other guy were jawing at each other a little, Bardreau goes to skate away from him, and Neiley crashes in.  I don't think any of the three of them were concerned with the puck.

[css228]

This is one of those few times where I truly think a DQ is not enough. If you compare this type of thing with the NHL's penalties as of late (Thornton for example), a multiple game penalty should be awarded.

I agree.  I think part of the problem is that this doesn't happen all that often in college hockey, so there isn't as much of a precedent for how to deal with such a hit.  Thornton's ambush was worse, but not necessarily by all that much, and that game was much more out of hand in both directions (that Neal knee to Marchand's head was awful, and I'm a Pens fan).

Neal should have gotten every bit as much time as Thornton for intentionally skating into a guy who was easily avoidable. The fact that he's Marchand notwithstanding. No place in the game for what either of those two did and the fact that Neal only got 5 games was a joke. This Dartmouth player should probably be suspended for the rest of the season, targeting a guy after the game and blindsiding Bardreau like that.

[Dafatone]

This is one of those few times where I truly think a DQ is not enough. If you compare this type of thing with the NHL's penalties as of late (Thornton for example), a multiple game penalty should be awarded.

I agree.  I think part of the problem is that this doesn't happen all that often in college hockey, so there isn't as much of a precedent for how to deal with such a hit.  Thornton's ambush was worse, but not necessarily by all that much, and that game was much more out of hand in both directions (that Neal knee to Marchand's head was awful, and I'm a Pens fan).

Neal should have gotten every bit as much time as Thornton for intentionally skating into a guy who was easily avoidable. The fact that he's Marchand notwithstanding. No place in the game for what either of those two did and the fact that Neal only got 5 games was a joke. This Dartmouth player should probably be suspended for the rest of the season, targeting a guy after the game and blindsiding Bardreau like that.

I would have given Neal 10 and Thornton 20, if I were in charge of everything.

I'd also kick Neiley out of hockey and/or college, but I'm completely without objectivity and reasonableness here.