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I know that a goal can come off the board if a coach challenges claiming that the offensive team was offside entering the zone.
Can a penalty come off the board for the same thing if it happens after an offside that was not called - can it be challenged?

is it possible that ESPN+ is unaware of the image problem?

Great start, but so many empty seats.

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Quote from: David HardingOn a lighter note, I wonder what modifications we'll see (hear) in "The Song of the Classes".

Was the reference in that song or in the Cayuga's Waiters song 'Cornell' - to the tune of Downtown?

I would also love to hear that again, if anyone can find it online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDwd_k9SDfs

although it's got the "ladies" version of the Sophomore verse.  As I recall the "gents" version it goes:

QuoteOh, I am the Sophomore, with debonair look
My vile Freshman ways I have long since forsook
I used date girls from Elmira and Wells
But in my opinion, the best are Cornell's

Yes I have seen that.  I cannot find the Cayuga's Waiters song 'Cornell' - to the tune of Downtown.

I'm pretty sure I have a 30 y.o. CD with that song on it. It's in storage back home and I'm on a work trip for a few weeks.

Wow! If you could (at your convenience) post it somewhere so I could hear it, I would really appreciate it.

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Quote from: David HardingOn a lighter note, I wonder what modifications we'll see (hear) in "The Song of the Classes".

Was the reference in that song or in the Cayuga's Waiters song 'Cornell' - to the tune of Downtown?

I would also love to hear that again, if anyone can find it online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDwd_k9SDfs

although it's got the "ladies" version of the Sophomore verse.  As I recall the "gents" version it goes:

QuoteOh, I am the Sophomore, with debonair look
My vile Freshman ways I have long since forsook
I used date girls from Elmira and Wells
But in my opinion, the best are Cornell's

Yes I have seen that.  I cannot find the Cayuga's Waiters song 'Cornell' - to the tune of Downtown.

Quote from: David HardingOn a lighter note, I wonder what modifications we'll see (hear) in "The Song of the Classes".

Was the reference in that song or in the Cayuga's Waiters song 'Cornell' - to the tune of Downtown?

I would also love to hear that again, if anyone can find it online.

Quote from: CU77I like the Massey ratings, which take into account scores, game location, and recency. The precise formula is not disclosed, but the results comport pretty well with eyeball opinion (given the high uncertainties in that). Ratings are updated daily. Cornell is currently #11.

https://masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings

Cornell is #10 in RPI and also in the laxmath power rating (based on goal differential)

https://www.laxmath.com/men/rating001x.php

Admittedly, I don't understand what I am looking at in the Massey ratings, but I have a hard time respecting a rating that leaves Princeton unchanged at #12 after losing to Brown.

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Looks like the Boston phone directory. Do they still print directories? Nine of the 18 are Boston players (um, BU and BC, not Harvard, not Northeastern). All skaters (except all-rookie) are freshmen or sophomores. Ian Shane is the only junior (or senior).

All-CHN First Team
F Macklin Celebrini, Fr., Boston University
F Cutter Gauthier, So., Boston College
F Ryan Leonard, Fr., Boston College
D Lane Hutson, So., Boston University
D Zeev Buium, Fr., Denver
G Kyle McClellan, Gr., Wisconsin

All-CHN Second Team
F Jackson Blake, So., North Dakota
F Will Smith, Fr., Boston College
F Gavin Brindley, So., Michigan
D Artyom Levshunov, Fr., Michigan State
D Charles-Alexis Legault, So., Quinnipiac
G Ian Shane, Jr., Cornell

CHN All-Rookie
F Macklin Celebrini, Boston University
F Ryan Leonard, Boston College
F Will Smith, Boston College
D Zeev Buium, Denver
D Artyom Levshunov, Michigan State
G Jacob Fowler, Boston College

6 out of 13.  5 Freshman on two lists.

Distinction without a difference.   46% vs 50%.

Bill's point still stands

I was just correcting the inaccuracy, not arguing the point

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Looks like the Boston phone directory. Do they still print directories? Nine of the 18 are Boston players (um, BU and BC, not Harvard, not Northeastern). All skaters (except all-rookie) are freshmen or sophomores. Ian Shane is the only junior (or senior).

All-CHN First Team
F Macklin Celebrini, Fr., Boston University
F Cutter Gauthier, So., Boston College
F Ryan Leonard, Fr., Boston College
D Lane Hutson, So., Boston University
D Zeev Buium, Fr., Denver
G Kyle McClellan, Gr., Wisconsin

All-CHN Second Team
F Jackson Blake, So., North Dakota
F Will Smith, Fr., Boston College
F Gavin Brindley, So., Michigan
D Artyom Levshunov, Fr., Michigan State
D Charles-Alexis Legault, So., Quinnipiac
G Ian Shane, Jr., Cornell

CHN All-Rookie
F Macklin Celebrini, Boston University
F Ryan Leonard, Boston College
F Will Smith, Boston College
D Zeev Buium, Denver
D Artyom Levshunov, Michigan State
G Jacob Fowler, Boston College

6 out of 13.  5 Freshman on two lists.

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Quote from: nshapiroAnd I believe that winning the last two Ivy league games gets Cornell #1 seed in the tournament

In a scenario where Penn and Cornell finish at 1 loss, everyone else has 2 losses, Cornell loses the H2H. Among the one-loss teams, Yale or Princeton will have one more loss on the final weekend (because they play each other). Ditto Penn or Princeton the weekend before, same reason. I believe the just-win-out scenario for Cornell works only if Penn loses one more Ivy game, hosting Harvard next weekend or at Princeton April 20.

Ivy lax standings 4/6/24 before after Harvard plays (likely beats) Dartmouth. Overall, the top five teams all have 7 wins overall.

True....
Unless Cornell Penn and Yale all win out, Cornell would win the tie break

And I believe that winning the last two Ivy league games gets Cornell #1 seed in the tournament

nah. Time to start rooting for Penn to keep it close, currently they are down 12-8 with 7 minutes left

Quote from: billhowardThinking about Cornell's chances for hosting the 2024 Ivy League lacrosse tournament the first weekend in May. It goes to the school with the best record. If there's a tie, it goes to the team with the best combined record against the others tied for first. So that one-goal Cornell loss to Penn is an issue. With Ivy 3 games left for Penn, Yale, Princeton and Cornell, 4 left for Harvard, Dartmouth and Brown, the league as of March 31 stands:

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[b]Team      W-L   Ivy Games To Play
                Apr 6    Apr 13     Apr 20     Apr 27[/b]
Penn      3-0   @Yale    Harvard    @Princeton
Yale      2-1   Penn     @Dartmouth             Princeton
Princeton 2-1            Brown      Penn        @Yale
Cornell   2-1   Brown               Harvard     @Dartmouth
Harvard   0-2   Dart     @Penn      @Cornell    Brown
Dartmouth 0-2   @Harv    Yale       @Brown      Cornell
Brown     0-2   @Cornell Princeton  Dartmouth   @Harvard

Penn has the toughest Ivy schedule: Yale and Princeton on the road bookending a home game against Harvard (0-2 Ivy but 6-3 overall). Cornell has the easiest: the three 0-2 teams. If Yale or Princeton (or Harvard?) beats Penn, the likely multi-way tie favors Cornell. All four are 10-15 in the polls; on RPI Cornell is #7 (Syracuse game included) and PYP are 10-15 (Harvard is 17).

Penn has beaten Duke, Delaware and North Carolina but lost 12-7 to St. Joseph's and only beat Dartmouth by 3. After which they won the 2-OT Cornell game.

Good scenario for Cornell: Cornell wins out in the Ivies. Yale or Princeton beats Penn. Or both. Penn finishes with 2 or 3 losses, Cornell wins the H2H with Yale or Princeton, hosts the tournament.

Bad scenario for Cornell:
* Cornell wins out but so does Penn, the winner of the Princeton-Yale finale loses one other game, Penn wins the H2H.
* Cornell loses a second Ivy game. Unthinkable when the last 3 IL games are against the worst three Ivy teams. But ...
We need for Penn to lose a second game or there to be more than a Penn-Cornell one-loss tie for first.
I believe those are the scenarios.


The 2024 rules in full. The key parts here:

Quote from: The Ivy LeagueMen's Lacrosse Tournament Tiebreakers
[updated per coach group decision prior to 2023 season]

1. In the case of two-way ties between teams in the final standings, the higher seed will be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

2.   In the case of a multiple ties (more than two teams with the same record), the following procedure will be used:
The highest seed will go to the team with the best cumulative record against all other teams tied at that spot. (If multiple teams are tied with the same record, the tie between those teams will be broken on the basis of cumulative record against each other)
Once a highest seed(s) (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the initial tie is broken. The tie between the remaining teams will be determined on the basis of cumulative record against all other remaining teams tied at that spot.
This procedure will be repeated until all possible ties are broken. (If there are remaining unbroken ties within the group, the remaining tied teams move on to step 3.)

3.   In the case of a multiple team tie that cannot be broken on the basis of review of cumulative record:
The highest seed will go to the team that has beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie and continuing through the full league standings (If multiple teams have beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie, the tie between those teams will be broken on the basis of cumulative record against each other).
Once a highest seed(s) (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the initial tie is broken. The tie between the remaining teams shall be determined on the basis of cumulative record against all other remaining teams tied at that spot.
This procedure will be completed until all possible ties are broken. (If there remaining unbroken ties within the group, the remaining tied teams move on to step 4.) ...

I think you need to include:


4.   If a tie still persists, add the goals for and against in the games between the tied teams. The team (s) with the greatest goal differential gets highest seed (6-goal maximum differential per game). (If a tie persists in which multiple teams have the same greatest goal differentials, the tie between those teams will be broken on the basis of cumulative record against each other). Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the remaining seeds will be determined on the basis of cumulative record against each other.
 

Because if Yale beats Penn and Cornell/Yale/Penn all finish 5-1 in the Ivies, this will be the rule that is needed...
So Cornell would need a Yale win by 5 or fewer goals to win on this criterion.


Also, UNC beat Penn

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Quote from: DLAh. Geez, I must have been AWOL when that was available. Or was it that far back?

Age's livestream of games goes back 20 years or more.

Death of hockeycam: http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,9303,page=1

Another example of the kind of behavior from the Athletic Dept under Andy Noel

Penn and Princeton and both Duke and UNC this weekend.
Does the ACC reciprocate next season with games in Philly and Princeton?