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Quote from: Trotsky on October 08, 2026, 12:02:27 AM

Quote from: BearLover on October 07, 2026, 08:44:28 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on October 07, 2026, 08:04:12 PMWithdraw from school.  That's a protest.  Say one thousand students withdraw in protest.  That will hurt.

If you want any institution to do something, you must either hurt it or have a credible threat of hurt.  Without Malcolm, Martin can't accomplish doodlysquat.

Why would someone ruin their own life by dropping out of school? And then do what? Sit at home all day?

-- The New York Times editorial page.

I thought they were trying to stop the wholesale rape of women.  Silly me.

They could transfer, but just bailing now doesn't accomplish anything. It's not like they'd get their tuition money back.

Hell, Jane Doe didn't even get her tuition refunded.

Quote from: George64 on October 06, 2026, 01:23:42 PMNY Times: Cornell Faculty Members Signal Deep Anger With University Leaders

Being a university president is a tough job. They need to please three constituencies —

Alumni who want a winning football team
Students who want more sex
And faculty who want better parking

One out of three isn't bad! 

Seriously, what more was the administration supposed to do?  They offered the entire 120 page Jane Doe interview transcript to the DA, conducted a lengthy Title IX investigation, expelled, suspended, and/or declared persona non grata each of the seven.  My only question is why "I'm 100 percent certain I was raped" was omitted from the six page summary originally sent to the DA.

See, I actually think Cornell University president is a fairly easy job. It's an extremely prestigious and storied institution sitting on a large pile of endowment riches. All you really need to do is make sure that the school's reputation doesn't get rocked by a huge scandal.

Which is one of the reasons I'm all for Kotlikoff (and others) losing their jobs. He doesn't have a right to be university president. Even if this isn't his "fault", oh well, shit happens, go find another job.

Quote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2026, 04:26:50 PMThe point of campus PD is to protect Cornell from liability arising from students' actions.  HR is not there for you.

Maybe what I want is for campus PD to take "PD" out of their names and just be campus security or something, then.

Quote from: BearLover on October 05, 2026, 10:55:38 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on October 05, 2026, 10:01:49 AMI really don't get what people wanted the university to do different. The original statement given by the girl was completely different than the one now which kind of handcuffed the university. Plus you don't want to set a precedent of expulsion before the actual legal system takes its course. Rape is horrible and a real issue on college campuses but i can't understand why we're acting like it's particularly bad here or this is the administrations fault because it's not

I partially agree with this but didn't the police investigation reveal things that went way beyond her original statement? What do you mean by "original statement"?

I think (emphasis on think, I very well could be wrong) CUPD had screenshots of the frat groupchat and did not provide those to the DA's office.

Broadly speaking, I don't like the idea of a police department that is employed by the university.

Quote from: Trotsky on October 03, 2026, 06:38:00 PM

Quote from: stereax on October 03, 2026, 01:48:24 PMSomeone needs to explain to me why people think skipping class to "soul search" or whatever makes any sense.

Performative.  Do a New York Times thing which costs you nothing but you can feel like you and your friends did something.  cf. Obama, instead of radical marginal income and wealth taxes; Woke, instead of Reparations and Land Back.

It's a Cornell Tradition.

"Thirty-five percent of undergraduate ‌women reported ⁠experiencing nonconsensual sexual contact involving force or incapacitation since entering Cornell, according to a university survey conducted in 2025 and published on its website. That figure was up from 20% in 2021."

I'm not exactly qualified to speak to this, but given just how many women at Cornell have been victimized in some manner and how many more have been in situations that at least presented a threat, I'm sympathetic to students who find the current moment overwhelm or difficult, and I'm not too judgmental about how they go about navigating that.

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Let teams in other conferences take a lot of the blue chip prospects. We don't have to compete with MSU. We just have to win one game against them in the NCAAs if we run into them.

I don't really follow lacrosse, but Mack Dockx is an unbelievably good name.

Quote from: Beeeej on October 01, 2026, 12:27:03 PM

Quote from: Dafatone on October 01, 2026, 12:23:07 PM

Quote from: Beeeej on October 01, 2026, 12:15:20 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on October 01, 2026, 11:54:33 AM

Quote from: Beeeej on October 01, 2026, 10:09:08 AM

Quote from: stereax on October 01, 2026, 09:48:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on October 01, 2026, 07:08:15 AMIt is bracing to see stories on this running at the top of the sites for DW, France24, and Al Jazeera.

This is now the only thing 98% of high school students know about Cornell.

This and the bear.

I'm watching law school reddits be like "we should stop applying to Cornell!" like they don't know the law school is mostly independent of the undergraduate schools, or that there isn't frat life in law school... Interesting times we live in.

The administration that was responsible for handling Cornell's response to these events is not merely in charge of the undergraduate schools, nor only of Greek Life. And sexual assault happens everywhere. While I hate the knee-jerk reaction so many people are having without waiting for all the facts, I absolutely don't think it's unreasonable for those having such a reaction to look at Cornell's Ithaca campus as a whole as "implicated" in the response.

"Why does every woman know another woman that was raped. But no man knows a rapist?" Waiting for all the facts?

Speaking solely as a hypothetical disinterested attorney asked to represent Jane Doe in the civil lawsuit, the initial report she filed that was the basis for the DA not filing charges tells a radically different story from what's being alleged now, and I'm not sure I could recommend a strategy to overcome it. Yes. Waiting for all the facts. That doesn't mean I think she's lying or that it didn't happen, and it doesn't mean I think the university's response was entirely proper, it means that I think it's not an airtight case and people are reacting as if the university ignored incontrovertible proof.

I think the DA was very mistaken in categorizing the victim's initial report as saying the encounter was "consensual."

It seems to me that there was initial consent, then somewhere along the way with the addition of more drugs and more men, her ability to consent was hampered.

Given NY's (and several other states') horrifying nonsense voluntary intoxication law, I can understand why a prosecutor might look at this and think it is not a winnable case. But that's different than affirming the encounter as consensual.

I would read his recent statement again. Affirming the encounter as consensual is not the same thing as determining that the facts in the report don't meet the requirements for charging a crime. People may not like that they're not the same, but they're not.

"Jane Doe's sworn statement in November of 2024 did not allege that she was drugged against her will or gang raped. On the contrary, Jane Doe's statement described her participation in drug use
and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious, and consensual."

I think that second sentence goes too far. I think the conduct started that way and then likely became something else, and that the various quotes from Ms. Doe's 2024 statement that follow line up with this interpretation.

Quote from: Beeeej on October 01, 2026, 12:15:20 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on October 01, 2026, 11:54:33 AM

Quote from: Beeeej on October 01, 2026, 10:09:08 AM

Quote from: stereax on October 01, 2026, 09:48:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on October 01, 2026, 07:08:15 AMIt is bracing to see stories on this running at the top of the sites for DW, France24, and Al Jazeera.

This is now the only thing 98% of high school students know about Cornell.

This and the bear.

I'm watching law school reddits be like "we should stop applying to Cornell!" like they don't know the law school is mostly independent of the undergraduate schools, or that there isn't frat life in law school... Interesting times we live in.

The administration that was responsible for handling Cornell's response to these events is not merely in charge of the undergraduate schools, nor only of Greek Life. And sexual assault happens everywhere. While I hate the knee-jerk reaction so many people are having without waiting for all the facts, I absolutely don't think it's unreasonable for those having such a reaction to look at Cornell's Ithaca campus as a whole as "implicated" in the response.

"Why does every woman know another woman that was raped. But no man knows a rapist?" Waiting for all the facts?

Speaking solely as a hypothetical disinterested attorney asked to represent Jane Doe in the civil lawsuit, the initial report she filed that was the basis for the DA not filing charges tells a radically different story from what's being alleged now, and I'm not sure I could recommend a strategy to overcome it. Yes. Waiting for all the facts. That doesn't mean I think she's lying or that it didn't happen, and it doesn't mean I think the university's response was entirely proper, it means that I think it's not an airtight case and people are reacting as if the university ignored incontrovertible proof.

I think the DA was very mistaken in categorizing the victim's initial report as saying the encounter was "consensual."

It seems to me that there was initial consent, then somewhere along the way with the addition of more drugs and more men, her ability to consent was hampered.

Given NY's (and several other states') horrifying nonsense voluntary intoxication law, I can understand why a prosecutor might look at this and think it is not a winnable case. But that's different than affirming the encounter as consensual.

Quote from: Beeeej on October 01, 2026, 10:09:08 AM

Quote from: stereax on October 01, 2026, 09:48:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on October 01, 2026, 07:08:15 AMIt is bracing to see stories on this running at the top of the sites for DW, France24, and Al Jazeera.

This is now the only thing 98% of high school students know about Cornell.

This and the bear.

I'm watching law school reddits be like "we should stop applying to Cornell!" like they don't know the law school is mostly independent of the undergraduate schools, or that there isn't frat life in law school... Interesting times we live in.

The administration that was responsible for handling Cornell's response to these events is not merely in charge of the undergraduate schools, nor only of Greek Life. And sexual assault happens everywhere. While I hate the knee-jerk reaction so many people are having without waiting for all the facts, I absolutely don't think it's unreasonable for those having such a reaction to look at Cornell's Ithaca campus as a whole as "implicated" in the response.

The flaming sword of justice part of me says everyone in the Cornell administration that was anywhere near the decisions made as to all this needs to go.

The cynical part of me comes to the same conclusion given the (deserved in my opinion) reputational harm. Go be bad at your job somewhere else.

Quote from: stereax on September 28, 2026, 05:49:33 PMSome ASU players call for Powers to be suspended pending review of the Mayich situation. Katie Strang article.

I will again say that not enough people will go to prison for this.

Quote from: dbilmes on September 17, 2026, 05:27:21 PMIn-depth article in The Athletic today about Arizona State tragedy. The coach, Greg Powers, comes across as a real jerk. It sounds like the players are in a tough spot.
This should be a gift link which anyone can read.
"Some players are conflicted, some are angry, people close to them said. Some are also scared. School and police officials probing the situation have reached out to them, but some players have been advised not to talk unless a law enforcement agency independent of ASU takes over, as the Mayich family's attorney has demanded. None of the players have spoken publicly about the incident, and some have been harangued on social media and in private messages for not speaking up for Mayich. Some would like to, but they've been cowed by the specter of retaliation."

As a general rule, if your attorney is making public statements, you and your attorney are probably both assholes.

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 11:13:34 PM

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Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.

Landon Dupont getting $175 to $200k or so ... whether you want to believe it or not.

Umm...okay? What's this supposed to be in response to? He committed a few months ago so he's not in the category I'm referencing about kids who commit years before they matriculate. He's also the consensus #1 overall pick in next year's draft so yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like that is the highest paid player in college hockey.

[setting aside that afaik nobody knows how Canadian kids are allowed to get paid by colleges and setting aside you haven't given any details about what 175-200k means and whether that includes tuition or whether that's just for his freshman year]

Couldn't players who wind up high draft picks after committing to a college at 16 just decommit and seek payment, or tell the school they committed to "it's $100k (or whatever) or I bail?"

Quote from: Dafatone on September 16, 2026, 12:50:29 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 12:34:30 PMWhile it's highly plausible protocols weren't followed, as far as I can tell every insinuation they were not followed has come from the Mayich family attorney? So I don't understand why people are jumping to conclusions (on both sides) and declaring "heads must roll," "the coach must be fired," "this is a common workout and nothing was handled incorrectly." Why don't people wait for the facts to come out in a neutral forum? Way too much conjecture going on here. Firing a bunch of people or canceling the season is not going to bring this poor kid back and it isn't going to stop the family's grieving.

On the other hand, prison.

To be clear, BL is right that we will need all the facts. Just, what is currently alleged is criminal bad.