ELynah Forum

Well... FWIW... the "Death sisters" (twins?) (both Ithaca High School '84) pronounced their name "Deeth" (spelled "Death") throughout junior/senior high school.  I'm not sure if they are related to Murray, but they both(?) played hockey locally (in Ithaca) during their school years.

Of course, if he were their father, then -- time-line-wise -- Murray would've had to have been a daddy (or, at the very least, a daddy-to-be) during his Cornell hockey days (unless the girls had skipped a coupla grades... or...), so... ummm...??   ::nut::



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Jon Getty '96 wrote:

[Q]...probably someone from the stone ages of hockey, or from a team that played a short, squishy schedule & shut everyone out.[/Q]
Hmmm... like Cornell in '07 and '08? (six total games -- no goals against).  I dunno 'bout the "squishy" part (for all I know, Rochester coulda been a hockey powerhouse back then...), but I'll bet whoever tended goal for the Big Red during those seasons had some pretty impressive numbers...  ::nut::



Greg wrote:

[Q]......
1.29 1968 Ken Dryden, Cornell

The discrepancy in the Dryden record (yes, that's for 68, not 67) suggests to me that the D-1 record is for games vs. D-1 opponents only (e.g., not Canadian colleges), or that the Finney record book has some mistakes.[/Q]
Since Dryden's overall GAA for '68 was 1.52, and excluding the (4?) games against Canadian teams would've increased -- not decreased -- his GAA (1 total goal against in those 4 games), I'd say that this particular record book does indeed have some mistakes...



Nuthin' like a li'l history to lure me out of "lurk mode"......  OK, I go bye-bye now......

LGR!!!

Any script that adds "(sucks)" to Hahvahd should ALSO correct any misspellings of Hahvahd (such as "Harvard", which I'm seeing FAR too often on this forum...).  :-D

Hee-hee.  I figured it was a sure thing that either you or Al would offer some commentary on my characterization of the (remaining) pool of potential Jim Brown lax witnesses.  Mission accomplished.  :-D

OK... now I've atoned for my naughtiness -- Option #1 has been duly implemented.

(BTW, I was merely going by AARP membership requirements!)  :-))

Thanks, John.  I like your "solution"!

(OK, that's it -- the debate is officially settled!)  :-))

P.S. -- If anyone's interested in exploring the "who's the greatest lax player of all time, Jim Brown or someone else?" debate, then do the following search at the LaxPower Forum:  "Jim Brown" (exact phrase / all dates).  Let's just say that there've been some discussions on this matter...

Yeah, great...  That's just gonna make the 156-day countdown seem even slower...   ::worry::   ::nut::

QuoteAll this talk makes me be only more grateful for college sports.

Amen to that!  (Especially the Ivies)

(Although "big-time" college football and basketball differ from the pros, in my mind, only in the degree of compensation and in the college teams' lack of "portability".)

I want to start by saying that I wasn't even born when Jim Brown played lacrosse at Syracuse.  :-D

So, while Al and Jim both could've theoretically attended lacrosse games featuring the Jim-Brown-led Orangemen, and thus they could theoretically provide eyewitness accounts, I am unfortunately too young to have 1st-hand knowledge... sorry...  :-D

Going strictly on 2nd-hand knowledge, therefore...

I've heard conflicting accounts on Jim Brown and his place in lacrosse history (duh).  I'm sure there are others among us who are more qualified to comment, but it seems that there are two "camps" of opinion on this:

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1.)  The Gait brothers were the best.  They raised the sport to a new level.  They were the "twin Gretzky's" of lacrosse.  Jim Brown is "over-rated" because he relied strictly on power.  (He'd supposedly use his stick to trap the ball against his chest (apparently still a legal maneuver in the mid-'50's) and just steamroll his way to the goal.)  Very effective use of football running-back power in another sport, but not necessarily an indicator of lacrosse skill.  (So they say.)

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2.)  The standard, party-line ("you-don't-really-know-lacrosse-history") answer to anyone who "foolishly" claims Gait supremacy is that Jim Brown was the real "best-ever" lax player.  Countering the Gait argument with the Brown argument has the added benefit of giving one instant credibility as a "true lacrosse fan" (i.e., someone who knows the "real story" and is, therefore, more than just a superficial follower of modern lax hype).

Since only a tiny handful of really old fogeys  ;-)  are capable of making a 1st-hand-knowledge-based rebuttal to the Brown-is-best claim, it's usually a safe bet to play the "Brown card".

I'm unfamiliar with the specific arguments used in favor of Brown, or how this camp refutes the other camp's anti-Brown argument.  I will add, however, that I've read that, in the opinion of a "supremely knowledgeable" old-timer lax wizard (who has seen both the Gaits and Brown play), Brown was "definitely" the best ever.  Tough to counter that.

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I personally haven't a clue.  Perhaps the two eras (30+ years apart) are simply too different for us to ever be able to settle this debate.  But, hey, that's OK -- debates that are settled cease to be fun!  :-)

Wow... that was a delayed reaction, indeed!

It took some noggin joggin' to remember what I had been talking about...

But, I now believe that I meant, "Here's your chance, Beeeej, to mock me for asking a 'stupid question'."

(You had asked a self-described "stupid question" earlier (something about why there had been a 2nd OT in the CU-Brown lax game), and I had responded (with what probably seemed like sarcasm) that a tie at the end of the 1st OT was what necessitated the 2nd OT.  After others (JTW, I believe?) pointed out that your question wasn't really all that stupid (as you had labeled it, and as I had interpreted it), I felt it was the gentlemanly thing to do to invite you to "return the favor" (and give a sarcastic (or sarcastic-sounding) answer) when I asked my "stupid question" about the lax-star/hockey-star Dave Ferguson mystery.)

There.  Over-uhsplained enough??  :-))

Here's an article on Richie Moran as a connection between the lax programs of Cornell & Stony Brook:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/ny-richie092699912may09.story?coll=ny%2Dlacrosse%2Dheadlines

No, the mention he gets on the Swami's site is what means he's made the big time!  :-))

This week's Polls & Ratings:

These are the final regular season polls/ratings -- not that it really matters at this point.  The only number with any meaning now:

----> NCAA Tournament Seeding:  Cornell #6 !!!


And the stuff that doesn't matter...


----> USILA Coaches Poll:  Cornell #10 ---> #8:

http://www.usila.org/polls.html


----> InsideLacrosse Media Poll:  Cornell #11 ---> #9:

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/page.cfm?Cat=1&tabbar=0&pagerid=2&news=fdetail&storyid=40221


----> LaxPower Forum Poll:  Cornell #10 ---> #7:

http://www.laxpower.com/update02/MD1ForumPoll-0506.php

(LaxPower Forum Pollster Comments located below rankings)


----> LaxPower "CCR" Rating:  Cornell #9 ---> #9:

http://www.laxpower.com/update02/binmen/ccr01.php


----> JTW's "NCAA-RPI" Rating:  Cornell #7 ---> #7:

http://slack.net/~whelan/lax/rpi.shtml


A note about the Ivies:  6 of the 7 Ivy teams were ranked in the Top 20 at some point during the season;  5 of them are currently in the top 17;  6 of 7 will finish at .500 or above! (Dartmouth just missed .500 (6-7))

Yeah, dead last on his own website -- that's pretty funny!  He is now relegated to comic relief.  Frankly, I wonder whether either Venus or Bunny actually exist (blow-up dolls don't count!).

Heh-heh... Matt and I are such good citizens -- we were practically tripping over each other to answer the eLF Faithful's questions!  :-D

For Greg:

(From the LaxPower Forum):

Since the Swami is never wrong...  ::rolleyes::

QuoteAuthor: Swami 
Date:   05-03-02 21:39

The NCAA Lacrosse Selection Show is on this Sunday, 6:30 PM. The show will be aired over Empire Sports Network for New York area cable viewers. Empire Sports is also carried over DirecTV Channel 626.

Empire audio simulcasts its entire schedule, so you will be able to listen to it over the Internet by going to Empire's web site at http://www.empiresports.com/index.shtml

...And... other sources:

QuoteAuthor: radiomike 
Date:   05-04-02 10:39

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