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Quote from: stereax on October 03, 2026, 11:36:38 AMBtw Adam can you put save percentage on the app for goalies in each game?

Depends on which app. But I expect Ivy Leaguers to just do the math.

Quote from: BearLover on October 01, 2026, 10:19:28 AMSezenack's data suggested he was a below average goalie last year after accounting for the team he was on. He had a slightly negative goals saved ahove expected. (I don't know where this data comes from or how accurate it is; are people actually mapping every shot, including type of shot, that every college goalie faces, and it's all publicly available?)

It comes from people at the arena -> Genius software and pipeline -> College Hockey News

Which means, no, it's not extremely accurate, but collectively, ok enough to give a good picture.

Quote from: BearLover on September 21, 2026, 07:11:48 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on September 20, 2026, 03:28:34 PMYou also have to realize there are probably at least ten people on eLF who know more about the day to day operation of the team and the program than any current undergrad, for reasons which are well beyond any Sun reporter to control.

I agree we should be kind.  Jane was head and shoulders above any prior student reporter in my years of fandom, including a few who were highly honored.  She isn't the standard, she's a miracle we were fortunate to experience.  Her combination of precision and thoroughness in reporting facts and more importantly her utter disdain for the mawkish, tired overwrought emotional bullshit that typically infests sports reporting, is a one-off.  I have never seen it ever before -- even among the greatest sports reporters of all time.  She's simply a wonder.

Honestly I doubt that will survive in her professional career.  You cannot thrive in a commercial space without giving the boobs what they want.  There's just too many of them with too many dollars for your editor to ignore.  And I'm sure her successors at the Sun will return to that tawdriness as well, as it is always guaranteed to get applause.  It is the false hustle of journalism, and it plays, even at an institution where the inmates should know better.

From all this glazing of Jane, you'd think she's Charlotte Brontë...

Seriously, what is going on here? Jane was great, but she was a student reporter covering a hockey team. She didn't do anything groundbreaking our special. She asked good questions. She wrote solid descriptions of the games. I'm happy she now has a full-time adult job in sports journalism, but I have no idea what the crazy hype on this forum is all about. Several Sun reporters in past years were just as good. Raphy Gendler and a few others in the 2017-2020 era come to mind. (And that's just during the time I've been closely following this stuff--I'm sure there are others too.)

To be clear, Jane was very good, as have been some other Sun hockey writers in recent years. But this level of glazing is out of control.

If you disagree, and think she's the second coming of Grantland Rice, I'd love for you to post a few of her articles you think are particularly great. 

I'll say one thing that I did think Jane did uniquely well, which was (probably because she's an athlete herself) try to drill down into the intricacies of hockey strategy. For example, the faceoff article about Walsh and Castagna's dominance at the dot. That type of article was actually really cool. But come on, her typical game recaps and weekly pieces were solid, but at approximately the same (quite high!) level of some past Cornell hockey writers.

ha - Jane is great. Trotsky's journalism pontificating is always weird. I assume he is a Christopher Hitchens fan. She, however, does not have a full-time journalism job - yet - FWIW. But will be writing for CHN still.

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 11:21:39 PM

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Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 01:26:24 PMThe guy the coach brought in to run these workouts was, according to his own lawyer's statement, not vetted or contracted by the University or Athletic Department- it's in the article. That is a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't put in an ice bath, also  a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't acclimated for the time laid out by the protocol. WTF else is there? BL as always, just asking questions that are clearly answered in a legitimate news source.

Try again.

From the CHN article on its front page:

"A report Tuesday in the Arizona Republic said that Timothy Ziesel, the Green Beret who led the workout, was not properly approved by the school, as is required by school policy. According to CHN sources, that's inaccurate. They say that though a contract was not signed, his appearance was approved."

"School policy calls for at least seven days of acclimation, and Carey said Mayich only had five, though that has been refuted by sources who say he had eight.

According to multiple sources close to the ASU program, there is evidence to refute the allegations from the Mayich family lawyer, and numerous current and former players who want to speak."

Bro - don't quote my articles when you agree, but then refuse to believe how much players are getting paid.

Pick a lane.

The difference between the two situations is that in one case you make a fairly precise statement and it's clear who your sources are (someone associated with the hockey program and/or university), and in the other situation the statement is vague and you do not give any indication of who your source is or even what type of source it is (a coach, an agent, someone associated with the program...). Moreover, my whole point here is that there are conflicting statements being given by two sides in an adversarial matter (the family lawyer versus the university/hockey program), neither of whom is unbiased, and so we should wait for the facts.

There is no difference. I have stated who my sources are. All of the above. You've just chosen to ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Zenack's piece you cited was about the going rate for first rounders being $100k ... I pointed out Dupont getting upwards of $200k.  Yes, I know he's the possible No. 1 overall. The point is, that's the high end - but that $100k for a "mid to bottom" first rounder is indeed the going rate, as evidenced by $200k being the top - and as evidenced by every coach I've spoken to who has told me as such.

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 01:44:27 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 01:26:24 PMThe guy the coach brought in to run these workouts was, according to his own lawyer's statement, not vetted or contracted by the University or Athletic Department- it's in the article. That is a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't put in an ice bath, also  a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't acclimated for the time laid out by the protocol. WTF else is there? BL as always, just asking questions that are clearly answered in a legitimate news source.

Try again.

From the CHN article on its front page:

"A report Tuesday in the Arizona Republic said that Timothy Ziesel, the Green Beret who led the workout, was not properly approved by the school, as is required by school policy. According to CHN sources, that's inaccurate. They say that though a contract was not signed, his appearance was approved."

"School policy calls for at least seven days of acclimation, and Carey said Mayich only had five, though that has been refuted by sources who say he had eight.

According to multiple sources close to the ASU program, there is evidence to refute the allegations from the Mayich family lawyer, and numerous current and former players who want to speak."

Bro - don't quote my articles when you agree, but then refuse to believe how much players are getting paid.

Pick a lane.

Quote from: stereax on September 16, 2026, 10:24:11 AM

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 09:24:21 AMMore on the ASU - Matthew Mayich situation: No Contract, No Vetting (paywall)

heads need to roll. as per adam, asu is going to hold their season, but holy shit heads need to roll for the disregard to policy. especially because it led to a kid who's, from my understanding, basically dead.

Also per my most recent article, there are numerous people close to the program who refute all of this. I can't say who ... yet. Still working on it.

Note: No one should take any of this to mean I am stating my opinion either way. If ASU effed up, I'll be the first to say so. I am just trying to figure out facts as best I can. My only opinion is that I don't believe any conclusions can yet be made. Which won't stop the Internet mob from doing so.

Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.

Landon Dupont getting $175 to $200k or so ... whether you want to believe it or not.

Quote from: Old Red on September 10, 2026, 06:34:21 AM

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Quote from: BearLover on August 11, 2026, 01:14:12 PMThe lower ranking assistant coaches bounce around constantly. It's not specific to this season nor to Cornell.

Yep, this exactly. And it's not like we lost an coach or staff member who's been with the team for years.

Also possible that they were looking into Kaiser already before Robinson accepted the offer.

I disagree.  The "lesser" coaches are the foundation of the program.  They develop the players and the better their quality, the better the team.  And obviously the better programs will attract better talent at all levels.

Cornell was expecting Robinson to stay because they posted this bio update in early summer, before he left.  It refers to him starting his second year.   https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/coaches/josh-robinson/11947

I sense that Cornell undervalues goalie coaches.  That may be why we lost Cournoyer to Wisconsin.

I wouldn't read anything into the web site getting updated. It doesn't mean he was expected to stay. The web site is updated as a matter of course. The SIDs have no insight into anything going on in hockey operations until it happens. And that's a not a criticism. That's true for every school.

It's kinda weird given Cornell's history with goalies to think that it's doing anything wrong in that department.

The Sun article emphasizes both the loss of Cournoyer and Keiser's skill in developing goalies as significant in his addition.  I assume the new Sun hockey beat team did not make that up, but got it from the coaches.

You're reading a whole lot into a 26 year old sounding excited he got the gig.

Quote from: chimpfood on September 08, 2026, 12:42:28 AMThis is stupid. He collapsed during a workout that is very commonly done. Yes, everyone should learn and always give kids water and enough rest during workouts, but nobody needs to be arrested or executed.

do you know details about what the workout was and what is commonly done that I don't?

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Pretty much nothing to quibble with in there. Good stuff.

Quote from: George64 on September 01, 2026, 08:14:52 PM

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Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 02:35:45 PMRelatedly, if anyone has the athletic director's email, maybe we could do a yellow ribbon handout the night we play Clarkson, in honor of Mayich?

Nicki Moore: nwm28@cornell.edu

Do you think she'll eat me alive if I email her 😰

I doubt it.  It'd be a nice gesture, as Casey probably had a hand in recruiting him to Clarkson.

I don't believe he did. Mayich played in the OHL, and Casey was already at Cornell when the Major Junior path opened.

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 06:01:25 PM

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on August 23, 2026, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.

Outdoor exercise when the high temp is over 100ºF?  I wonder what happened.

My Arizona friend literally said the same thing: "They were having them practice outside? It's fucking 110 in Phoenix! Literally that's how so many people get heat stroke in AZ and have to be hospitalized!"

8:30 a.m. - it was 92 degrees at the time. Still bad.

Quote from: BearLover on August 17, 2026, 03:17:26 PM

Quote from: BearLover on August 17, 2026, 11:33:56 AMThese rankings are meant to predict the future by taking into account incoming/outgoing players. It's perfectly reasonable to expect a team that missed the NCAAs to be really good next season, for example. The rankings aren't ridiculous on their face.

Rather, the issue with these rankings is that I see no reason to believe "College Hockey NXT" is a reputable source. Who, or what, is College Hockey NXT? There's no name (or list of names) on their website. You'd think a site predicting commitments and team outcomes, and ranking recruiting classes, would be run by a former coach or scout or someone involved in college hockey in some way, but there's literally no indication (that I can find) that this website isn't run by a random kid. The emojis are a dead giveaway that this source is not to be taken seriously.

Sorry, I meant "College Puck NXT"

Anyone can start a twitter feed and proclaim themselves experts and put out a ranking. Bear Lover could even try it if he wants. So we agree for a change.

Just look at me - amirite??

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Quote from: Trotsky on June 12, 2026, 11:42:01 PMI'm fine with the 5 years -- it's defensible. I want the Ivies to drop their performative nonsense and adopt everybody else's rules.  The brand will survive.

I'm curious how many of our athletes can afford a fifth season anyway?  In past conversations a couple impacted by COVID said they would have loved to finish at Cornell but couldn't afford to so they transferred.

They weren't allowed to stay.

Didn't Andreev get a special waiver to stay?  I believe the guys I spoke to didn't pursue a waiver because of the cost of another year at Cornell

There was a lot going on. A guy like Galajda wanted to stay, but the Ivies dragged their feet on whether to allow players who missed the whole season, an additional year of eligibility. Before the Ivies could make up their mind, Galajda left. Andreev was given that extra year eventually somehow -- trying to jog the memory banks. I think it was only if 2020-21 would've been their senior year. But then someone like Jack Malone, who also missed a full year (his sophomore year), was not allowed an extra year of eligibility, so wound up playing his "5th year" (really 4th) at Boston College.

Quote from: Trotsky on August 03, 2026, 05:10:25 PMThe inspired write poetry.

The diligent write novels.

The lazy write screenplays.

The bottomfeeders write political or sports pieces.

The reward structure is inverse to the amount of talent.

cf. acting

It's always heartwarming when I get evidence that a Cornell education is no better than my lowly Ithaca College education. Thanks Trotsky!