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Quote from: BearLover on May 27, 2026, 09:37:55 PM

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Quote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship,  etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.

Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.

This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.

We are still recruiting potentially generational players.

The fact we still get the occasional 5-star doesn't disprove the broader point. BTW, Adler was not a big-time recruit. Nor was Pannell.

Pannell broke out his PG year at Deerfield. Pre-Deerfield Pannell wasn't a big-time recruit. By the time he committed to Cornell he was one.

From the IL website on Kirst as a recruit: One of the most consistent programs in college lacrosse over the last 20 years, Cornell's recruiting strategy bears out a pattern — every few years, they land a Top 10 player and he's incredibly likely to turn into a star, and they flank him with comparatively unknown talent that turn into All-America-level role players. Consider that Max Seibald was ranked No. 5 in 2005, Rob Pannell was the No. 1-ranked postgraduate in 2008 and Jeff Teat was the No. 1-ranked player in 2016.

I think Nurry is supposed to be the next superstar, but the injury limited his role this year. The margins at this level are slim. Cornell couldn't find the solution at offensive middy that could carry them on a bad day. Going into the season, I think we all felt that the team would take a step back. The beating by Princeton and the poor showing against JHU really left a bittersweet taste on this year.

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Quote from: stereax on May 14, 2026, 01:55:19 PMQuestion: post-secondary school implies college.

Will he come in as a sophomore? Or, what I consider to be way more likely, will they not transfer his credits in to preserve eligibility?

Fun fact: when I was looking up Gardiner, I pulled up some of the '23 combine results. Among them, Castagna. So that gives you a little bit of perspective.

"Throughout the season, Gardiner posted a 90% academic average through American Public University"

Good catch. Coming in as a 21 year old probably just makes sense to start him as a sophomore if they can, seems unlikely he stays all 4 if things go well.

I have literally never heard of that before.

It's an online education thing - looks like their billing is affordable, flexible degrees. Not sure if Cornell would even accept that transfer credit tbh...

этот самый лучший университет в мире

Quote from: stereax on May 11, 2026, 10:28:18 AM

Quote from: BearLover on May 10, 2026, 11:59:57 PMI remember watching this interview with Cournoyer shortly after he committed and wondering how in the world this kid ended up at an Ivy League school: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8beuZ2yyRo0

...he's probably better spoken than I am. in a second language 😂

Don't sell yourself short. One more vatnik bot invasion and you qualify for a Russian major at Cornell.

Quote from: stereax on May 04, 2026, 06:26:31 PM

Quote from: adamw on May 04, 2026, 04:53:18 PMhere's my article

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/05/04_Eligibility-Changes-Hot-Topic.php

Merci as always Adam

Yeah, this sounds like it's gonna be a shitshow.

If child born in December
1. Redshirt kindergarten
2. Send to Eaglebrook for grades 8a and 8b before prep school

This will definitely be a shitshow that lasts for a few seasons before self-immolating.

A few positives. They gamed out the prep school shenanigans so that only the craziest parents will get their kid an extra year. I actually like the 19 year old gets 5 years of eligibility rule and think it's a good mix of letting kids get some junior time and then jump to d1. That means it has no hope.

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Quote from: abmarks on May 02, 2026, 12:28:49 AMCan someone explain the realistic way a kid delays HS graduation by a year two?

Short of failing something that is required for graduation, or getting permission to take an entire year off from school I can't figure it out.  Probably easier to do at a private school, but I'm trying to picture the kid who goes to a public US high school.

My high school days were certainly a long time ago (HS class of '85) but this only ever happened iirc if you basically flunked most of your classes one yr, or had a medical issue that made you miss too much class (kid had a serious car accident requiring lengthy rehab, or the occasionally pregnancy and child birth )

You could do a PG year at a prep school, but if that is helpful to you , you're not a D1 level player

But you'd still have graduated from high school at the same time regardless. Graduating a second time doesn't reset the clock.

My guess is prep schools will become more strict in accepting public school credits. 1 year repeat to delay graduation will be easy to accomplish, especially those from Quebec. 2 years is probably doable.

Unless PG years are grandfathered in, this will kill PGs. Most likely a 16/17 year old recruit who's D1 competitive but not a top recruit will start looking to repeat years at prep school to get the age edge back.

Adam, any thoughts on how 5 year eligibility will impact USHL?   

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Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 10:23:59 PM(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)

Unless he's on the verge of failing out. School probably hasn't been a priority for him for a long time, English isn't his first language, he just wants to play hockey.

If Cornell is a pit stop on the way to the Big 10 then I'd suggest people here figure out something else to do on their Friday and Saturday nights.

Under that argument, expect Veilleux to enter the portal I guess. Also guys like Mosko and Psenicka.

And again - there are plenty of classes at Cornell, from my understanding, you could put someone who isn't "academically talented" just to get them through it for the sake of the hockey team.

That's the Dave McKee curriculum for jocks who can't read good and want to learn to do other stuff good too.

What's the story behind this one..?

Every 4-5 year period has a poster child for athlete that struggles to maintain eligibility. McKee was the starting goalie in the mid-00s. Took the bare minimum course load across fall, spring, and summer to stay eligible.

Chris Bourque (Ray's son) at BU was the most famous hockey player to fail out of school that I remember.

Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 10:36:58 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 10:29:15 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 10:23:59 PM(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)

Unless he's on the verge of failing out. School probably hasn't been a priority for him for a long time, English isn't his first language, he just wants to play hockey.

If Cornell is a pit stop on the way to the Big 10 then I'd suggest people here figure out something else to do on their Friday and Saturday nights.

Under that argument, expect Veilleux to enter the portal I guess. Also guys like Mosko and Psenicka.

And again - there are plenty of classes at Cornell, from my understanding, you could put someone who isn't "academically talented" just to get them through it for the sake of the hockey team.

That's the Dave McKee curriculum for jocks who can't read good and want to learn to do other stuff good too.

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Quote from: tretiak on April 01, 2026, 05:34:53 PMTom Fitzgerald (thanks for catching that BL) goes "BIG good" and he's a (worthless) GM.

Absolutely fucking worthless. We could've had fucking Buium or Dickenson but noooo Silayev big.

Fml. I need to stop letting the Devils ruin my life.

SO GUESS WHAT JUST HAPPENED

I was worried the devils had signed caton ryan

lmfao no he's still draft eligible this year (and if he goes to a team i hate i will be Depressed about it, kempf on the rags was bad enough)

woooooooooooooooop fitz is OUT

I found out via text: The hockey terrorist is gone.

Does anyone know why there was beef between Goldstein and Penn fans? This game was chippy but I don't remember any prior history with Penn.

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Quote from: tretiak on April 03, 2026, 10:12:45 AMMoulson had 369 points. He's the clear #3 for now.

Manderville was a lauded defensive forward.

How many goals did Dryden score?

Do you have any stats for that? I don't know how good the analytics are from that era but Moulson has 4 more DPS than Manderville.

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Quote from: The Rancor on April 02, 2026, 10:42:31 PMI can't wait to read the apoplectic tirades when Cournoyer signs or transfers next season.

Goalies are different and need a lot more time to develop. Plus the goalie room in MTL is stacked between Fowler, Dobes, and Montembeault. He almost certainly won't sign after his sophomore year. Transfers, who the hell knows anymore.

That being said, we do have Cirka recruited...

When they're stacked, he's expendable... trade-able. One bag of pucks and a salary dump and he's signing with a team that didn't draft him. LeNeveu went after his Sophomore year, and, honestly, if he puts up numbers again like he did this season, what more is there to prove at the NCAA level? I don't want to say Bon Voyage, but it isn't unrealistic, especially if we make a deep playoff run.

He's also a goalie lol

Yegorov went from freshman cheat code to sophomore scapegoat. Even Augustine stayed 3 years. I think UDFA goalies are more likely to leave early after a hot year than those drafted after the 2nd round.

I can't remember which analytics person said it, but the NHL market inefficiency is undersized defensemen and goalies. Maybe that's the recruiting trick to get a veteran team.

Quote from: sah67 on April 03, 2026, 09:46:18 AM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 03, 2026, 09:06:39 AMPeople seem to be forgetting Scrivens, who had a solid career that included a 59 save shutout.

Greening's c

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Quote from: stereax on April 02, 2026, 11:59:03 PMWho is #3 right now anyway?

Matt Moulson, most likely.

I vote Manderville.


1. Dryden
2. Nieuwendyk
3. Manderville
4. Hayward
5. Moulson
6. Murray
7. O'Byrne
8. R. Nash
9. Barron
10. Chartrand

I would definitely have Greening and Scrivens in the top 10 (and either one could easily replace O'Byrne, who played a handful of partial seasons and was mostly on the wrong side of +-.
 

3 Moulson had 369 points. He's the clear #3 for now.
4 Hayward
5 Murray
6 (tied) Manderville/Riley Nash seem to have identical careers in the NHL
8 Malinski - I agree with the poster that he's on a trajectory for top 3
9 Scrivens
10 Barron

Quote from: BearLover on April 01, 2026, 05:36:22 PMRay Shero passed away last year, so I would say your post is in bad taste.

Got the wrong GM. Corrected.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 01, 2026, 03:04:41 PMYes, we are certainly in agreement that Castagna leaving, on the one hand, and Bancroft/Stanley leaving, on the other hand, are two very different things. If just Castagna signs, we aren't having this discussion. It's the Stanley departure that's truly surprising and causing me to look back and reflect on the fact that this type of departure is mostly unprecedented in Cornell history.

In what way, shape or form is that "unprecedented"? In this thread alone, numerous examples have been pointed out of similar Cornell players leaving after their junior year.

I'd argue it's "mostly unprecedented" in the sense that he is only the third Cornell player drafted in the fourth round or higher to leave early in the last 30+ years, and because he does not project as an NHL player. He's the lowest drafted early departure among defensemen in the last 30+ years as well (and probably much longer, but I didn't look back that far).  It's been extremely rare for us to not retain this type of player.

depends who is doing the projecting! you keep substituting your judgment for the people involved. ottawa was interested enough to buy him out of his senior year with $500K+ over the next three years (between bonuses and minor league salary) regardless of whether he ever makes the NHL. He's only 21 and regarded as a solid defensive defenseman who is likely to grow into his frame. He doesn't project as an NHL star but I think they see him as someone who will get to skate on the good ice.

Not only do I think that it is unlikely that Stanley would turn down that offer, I further assume that Jones-the-mentor (as opposed to Jones-the-guy-who-wants-to-win) would advise him to take it.

Not really going off my own opinion - going mostly off buzz from scouts and publicly available reporting. For example, the Athletic's NHL prospect analyst Scott Wheeler listed Stanley as a "tier 3 prospect" ranked as the 10th best prospect in the Senators' 26th ranked farm system. Here's what Wheeler wrote a couple weeks ago:

10. Hoyt Stanley, RHD, 21, Cornell (No. 108, 2023)

Stanley was the best under-18 defenseman in the BCHL three seasons ago and earned a spot on the league's All-Rookie team after missing most of the prior season with a concussion. Then, as an 18-year-old freshman at Cornell, he looked like he belonged without standing out, which is kind of all you can hope for out of a player who has taken that path to playing college hockey (especially given his age at the time). He's now a junior, though, and his production hasn't taken a step despite expanded minutes — he averaged 20 per game last year and is up to 22 this year — and positive two-way results generally.

He's a long, mobile, pro-sized (6-3, 207 pounds) right-shot defenseman with impressive skating technique, enough ability to handle and maneuver with the puck on his stick, and a decent shot that I'd like to see him use more. He's still a little raw in some areas, but I expect him to blossom into a standout college defenseman as an upperclassman. He projects as an efficient, effective two-way D with some secondary puck-transporting elements, and I saw enough NHL potential to rank him No. 98 pre-draft (10 spots in front of where the Sens picked him) ahead of the draft. I'm not sure he has done enough to warrant an entry-level contract to this point, though, and while he's still young for a junior, the clock is now ticking.

every draft prospect guy fucking sucks at evaluation lmao, from my experience. a BUNCH of them mostly just go "points good".

anyway if they want Stanley as an upside bottom four minute muncher with a sneaky shot, I mean, that's what he is rn.

Tom Fitzgerald (thanks for catching that BL) goes "BIG good" and he's a (worthless) GM.