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Quote from: andyw2100I hear that the Tuba song changed because the old song--"Swanee River"--was objectionable, and less than politically correct.

What? Why?

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You are welcome to disagree, of course.

Of course, but I'm not sure why you felt the need to tell me I'm welcome to disagree?

Politeness I guess?

There seems to be a trend these days where people increasingly can't disagree while maintaining civility. So sometimes I make an extra effort to make it clear that I'm happy to debate and disagree politely. Probably less important in a place like this where I know most of the regulars and have been debating things for years (and lord knows you weren't at all uncivil). But good habits.

Quote from: Jim HylaDoes a business have the right to police their environment as to keep it such that everyone can feel comfortable and do their best work? If they have workers who go out to represent the company, can they require that they live up to certain standards and if they don't, they can no longer represent the company?

A university is a business, albeit a different kind of business, but I see no reason why they can't and shouldn't go by those same standards.

I think it's very much reasonable to hold universities to a different standard.  They are a very different type of institution, one which should value freedom of speech.  

I don't think it's generally appropriate to hold private, legal conduct against employees of a business or students.  Whether the law grants a business the right to do so is beside the point.  I can see circumstances where it might be more appropriate - a CEO or spokesman.  But for all that we say things like athletes are representing their school I don't think this rises to that level of exposure.

You are welcome to disagree, of course.

Quote from: underskillmy concern is that these were group text messages, that were stolen by someone and screencapped then leaked --I think it's one thing if there's any evidence of actual harassment or unlawful behavior, another if it's a private group text (no matter how ill-advised some of the convo may be)

Exactly.

I don't think I change my opinion whether the leaker was a team member who got annoyed or a jilted girl as underskill suggests.

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Quote from: KeithKExplain to me why a University has any business policing the speech of its students, no matter how offensive it might be.  Particularly private speech, which this appears to be.

Because it makes the university look like shit. Don't be stupid.

If someone comes forward with a harassment complaint, and it comes out that Columbia had this information and didn't at least investigate...well, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what that means in terms of liability. But I can imagine that it isn't good.

If there was a harassement complaint I understand that they would have to investigate.  There's no indication of that in the linked stories and I'd hesitate to assume that there was anything greater without some statement to that effect.

Quote from: BeeeejI'm not a huge fan of campus speech codes, either - particularly the ACLUer in me - but in most instances, just like buying a ticket to Lynah with that "license" on the back, you matriculate at a university fully aware that it's under certain conditions, including the expectation that you'll live by their code of conduct. It's also not atypical for colleges to try to hold their varsity athletes to higher standards, which makes lapses like this one seem that much worse.

I'm not questioning whether a private institution has a right to do this.  Heck, a public institution may even have the right to do so in the same way that employees aren't given the same level of speech protection in the workplace that the First Amendment generally provides.  Certainly there is no right to compete as a college athlete.

But like you mentioned, this amounts to policing speech.  That's not something that a univesity ought to be engaging in. Period.

Explain to me why a University has any business policing the speech of its students, no matter how offensive it might be.  Particularly private speech, which this appears to be.

And so begins the fourteenth season of this timeless thread.

Quote from: RichHI still hate that you have to make a phone call to cancel your subscription. If I can sign up online, I should be able to cancel online.

My credit card gives the option of generating virtual card numbers, which generally expire the same month they are generated.  Sign up for ILDN using a virtual number and then they won't be able to rebill you automatically.  More or less the same as cancelling.

Quote from: martyI'm looking forward to using ROKU this year.

I think it's funny that this thread kind of reads like a Roku ad.  (I have one myself...)

Quote from: upprdeckthere is a long way to go before Tv and the internet works for lots of people. There are almost whole counties that cant stream well enough in NY state and we are one of the best connected.

for those who like to change channels to see whats on streaming really sucks.

if you want to have more than 1 tv going streaming has an issue.

if you dont live in a major city streaming has issues

i get where its going, but its gonna get worse before it gets better

It's possible that people in those lower density areas will be stuck with bad options at some point.  If a sizable majority of folks in high density regions switch to a different model it may force the business plans of providers.  

My one comment on your substantive complaints is about channel surfing.  I used to do that obsessively.  But since I cancelled cable I've rarely missed it.  Yes, I don't get to randomly watch part of an old favorite movie or rerun that I stumbled across. But my TV watching is much more 'efficient", since I don't waste a lot of time surfing only to discover that there is, in fact nothing on.

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Quote from: wakester2468Just when they finally catch up the audio with the video, the quality of the sound deteriorates. The Inept Ivy League Digital Network (ILDN) really needs to do a thorough examination of what they are doing and how they are ripping off the Lynah Faithful with such an inferior product who can't be at the games and all other IVy League fans who I imagine are suffering with their own broadcasts.

Can I assume that everyone who came here to complain also took the time to complain to the ILDN and/or to Cornell Athletics? If not, I doubt they'll do a thorough anything.

As I was leaving the parking lot, I only listened to some of the post-game on WHCU; the audio was so bad that I had to turn it off. The commercials, as has been said, were good. So, maybe it was the stations fault and not ILDN. Sometimes it helps to get all the evidence before we prosecute.

Who said anything about "prosecuting"? I'm talking about complaining to the last link in the service chain, the ones from whom we're actually receiving the service. You don't think they're capable of investigating what actually went wrong all on their own? :-)

Regardless of where the issue is, WHCU or ILDN, I don't think it's unreasonable for a paying customer to complain about the quality of the stream that's being provided.  If ILDN gets enough complaints they may have incentive to work with the station to fix the issue.

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What planet am I on? How is this offensive to anyone? It's a hat.

Easy. It's considered, by some, to be cultural appropriation, or one culture taking elements of another culture, especially from an emerging culture. So if you bring back a sombrero souvenir from Senor Frog, you might be criticized for wearing it when you return from Cancun. Wearing lederhosen might be appropriating from the German culture, although unless you are tall and not husky, looking silly is punishment enough.

You may think this is all BS and you would not be alone. But it's important to at least understand there can be this kind of conflict on campus that didn't exist a generation ago.

You are right that this conflict didn't exist on campus a generation ago.  But that has nothing to do with whether ir is legitimate or not.

This whole "cultural appropriation" thing is ridiculous.  People that complain that a dining hall serves tacos or someone wears lederhosen or whatever should be ridiculed. The article paraphrases the MEChA rep syaing "continuous desensitization across college campus to different cultures".  That's a good thing.  People shouldn't be so goddamn sensitive about stupid things. This isn't a case of negative stereotyping. There are plenty of things in the world worth worrying about - we shouldn't be inventing new ones.

Just to go over the top here, complaining about cultural appropriation is un-American.  Our whole culture is based on appropriating things from other cultures.  The melting pot thing, you know?

Quote from: TrotskyIt's not the athletes' fault that Cornell athletics sucks so please don't cleverly (a.k.a. not at all cleverly) slag them.  

Aren't the athletes (at least partially) to blame by definition?  If they would just play better the teams wouldn't suck so much.

It's good to know that we will be opening "a promising 2016 campaign" and "There is every reason to believe 2016 will continue the Big Red on an upward trajectory".  but hey we "led the Ancient Eight in net punting".  Is there any more certain indicator of future success?

All joking aside, hopefully the team plays well tomorrow and starts climbing out of the hole the program has dug for itself.