[quote DeltaOne81]Okay, but what if its repeatedly? Year after year getting upset or unable to win. Eventually, you're choking right? Would it be better if we called it Harvarding?[/quote] Well, IIRC correctly not one of those losses was against a lower-ranked team. You could call the Maine game a choke or you could give them props for building a big lead against a better / higher seeded team :-D , but at least 4 losses as a #4 seed can't be called chokes.