ELynah Forum

[quote Hillel Hoffmann]
What disappoints me is that (Ben) has chosen to violate standard codes of conduct for sports information professionals, who are normally discouraged from partisan posts on forums like this. It's a growing problem in the profession...

I'm not blameless myself -- I once let my guard down and talked about stuff related to Temple University, my current employer, on this forum. I regret doing so, and promised not to do so again. It reflected badly on the profession.[/quote]

I generally agree, and believe me I've bitten my tongue numerous times while lurking on here and, especially, USCHO. After having gone back and forth with many person(s) numerous times over the years, it's tough to just sit there and not respond.

That I've let a couple of posts slip through my self-censoring is my mistake, and while I regret ruffling some feathers, I definitely stand behind the statistical points I made.

That said, chalk it up as another life lesson learned. I'll just take notes til June and then make one gargantuan post before I head off to law school (as if that doesn't open up a whole slew of comebacks). :-p :-D

I'm just trading some friendly banter with many people whom I've shared brews with at Albany and elsewhere in the past, as I did earlier in the year.

It should be pretty easy to tell my comments as an alum and fan vs. my official position (which doesn't involve men's hockey at all, btw).

I apologize for leaving off the requisite :-D :-}:-P that signal such intentions.

[quote redhair34]If we make it to Albany, I'd much rather see Dartmouth or SLU over Sucks or Colgate.  I know most people think this year it is "wide open," but in my mind only Sucks, Colgate or Cornell have a shot of winning the title.  Dartmouth didn't impress me at all at Lynah.  They have the weakest goaltending of the top 5 teams and are pretty undisciplined.[/quote]

ok, did you actually look at the numbers for Devine or are you just basing it on the same comments that everyone else is saying (a lie told enough times becomes the truth)? It's no coincidence that Dartmouth started rolling once Devine started playing every game. Devine is 3rd in save percentage (.917) and 2nd in goals against average (2.26) in the conference.

Undisciplined? If the team that is in 7th in the conference in PIM's is undisciplined, what does that make the six teams above them, including SUNY-Ithaca?

Look, Dartmouth spotted the whole friggen conference four games, and yet still managed to win the Cleary Cup with 30 points in 18 games (14-2-2), including an absolute ass-kicking of the Big Red at Thompson. Underestimate them at your peril. In fact, please continue to do so.

[quote calgARI '07]Dartmouth continues to be the worst-coached team in the conference while being the most undisciplined.[/quote]

That worst-coached team somehow has managed a winning record against Cornell under his tenure... ::rolleyes::

And speaking of undisciplined, who is that I see in fifth in the conference in PIM's, with 2.5 min/gm more than Dartmouth? ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes::

[quote CowbellGuy]My quote WAS from the NCAA rulebook, not NHL. If that's the case, then the rulebook completely contradicts itself. Wouldn't be the first time.[/quote]

Can I ask what section you got your quote from? I read both the actual tripping rule and the associated interpretation regarding "the diving sweep check" in back, and didn't see anything like what you quoted.

[quote calgARI '07][quote CowbellGuy]Here's another one that always drives me batty. When Seminoff got called on the trip when diving for, and getting, the puck on that partial breakaway in the third I felt like strangling someone. The rule reads:

[q]If, in the opinion of a referee, a player on a sweep or hook-check is
unquestionably playing the puck and obtains possession of it, thereby
tripping the puck carrier, a penalty shall not be assessed unless the trip-
ping is flagrant.[/q]

In English, and the way it's always called in the NHL, is if you make a play on the puck and get a piece of it before the opposing player, it's not a penalty. Seminoff got the puck. It shouldn't have been a penalty.[/quote]

I forgot all about that ridiculous call.  It is truly amazing how often that call is screwed up in college.  On the play, Seminoff blatantly got the puck before the player fell.  I didn't even think the player was tripped; he just fell after the puck was swept away.[/quote]

The call isn't screwed up in college, it's simply a different rule in the NCAA than it is in the NHL. The interpretations section of the NCAA rule book specifically covers this situation.

"SECTION 58. Tripping
A.R.: Player A1, on a two-on-one, has the puck. Player B1 slides on the ice,
knocking the puck away from A1, but in the process, tripping A1. RULING:
Minor for tripping must be called. Tripping must be called anytime it
occurs, regardless of whether or not contact is made with the puck."

[Q]Ben Rocky 04 Wrote:

 I doubt Hanover has one.  That town is one blackout away from Donner-Party-esq cannibal episode.[/q]

Bitter, party of one, your table's ready.

[Q]Winnabago Wrote:
 It was on a little driveway that was actually, truly called Nugget Alley.  I think that was the restaurant's name too. [/q]

The pub is 5 Olde Nugget Alley, or more commonly referred to as just 5 Olde.

[Q]A-19 Wrote:

 at the beginning of the game, the rink was half empty. the dc "student sections" (20-21?) had maybe 5 fans. by the end of the game, the rink was maybe 80% full, though it was a graveyard in all the sections but the visiting one.[/q]

Student sections are 18-21, basically they get everything from the red line to the corner on that side of the ice. And obviously, the sections closest to the red line fill up before the ones in the corner behind the safety netting.

[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:
P.S. It's unfortunate (well, for us) that it takes you a crushing of Cornell to get you back here. Hopefully this takes the sting off the Yale loss last year . Hang around, you're a good contributor and a welcome addition to eLynah whenever you feel like joining us.
[/q]

I'm on a self-imposed moratorium from most message boards for the most part since I'm now an athletic dept. employee and not just an alum. I probably shouldn't have even posted to begin with, but whatever, a few non-inflamatory issues won't hurt anything. It's not like I really care about the attendance numbers, but I gotta argue something, and the other aspects of last night would just lead into flame wars that I just don't have time for (nor want to risk my job over.) ;-) :-D

[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:
Half full is pretty accurate for those sections.[/q]

Maybe during intermission ;-) (or when there were 5 minutes left and the townies started leaving early).

But no way were they that empty at the midpoint of the game. I was in the pressbox all night looking directly at the benches all game, same as the webcasting camera. Were they 100% filled? No. But there's no way they were only half full, either. And like I said, there's no way you could've fit another 500 people in the building last night, so 4000+ is pretty accurate. 4200 was probably a little inflated, but I'm not going to apologize for that when everyone else does it too, especially after the "tickets sold but people didn't show up" factor is taken into account.

Anyone who said it was 40% empty is either blind or looking through extremely rose-tinted glasses.

Seating capacity at Thompson is 3500. SRO is another 1000, giving a total capacity of 4500. The students showed up 10 minutes into the first like usual, but they eventually showed up and filled their sections pretty well. Was it as full as last night? Eh, maybe. But I'd say anything over 4000 was a fair count (it was 4215, compared to 4100+ last night), because there was no way you could fit another 500 people in there tonight under current fire codes. I admit it'd still be cool to see some of the crowds from back in the late 70's/early 80's when they let ~5000 in.

But standing room tonight was full all the way around and 2-deep in certain spots, and invariably included some people who otherwise had seats but chose to stand instead.

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 Does the UAF-MSU score matter at all?  I know MSU affects our RPI, but does the result of the game change anything?[/q]

MSU winning knocks Vermont out of the at-large picture.
If UAF wins, then Vermont's chances for the bid remain alive pending the outcome of the AHA title game.

Of course a Colgate win makes it all moot - they get the bid regardless in that case.

Exactly, teams already hate playing the consol game 99% of the time (this year being the exception with an NCAA bid at stake), and making them play unlimited overtimes in a normally meaningless game would be cruel and unusual punishment.

That said, if UVM-Gate goes to OT, when does Sneddon pull the goalie?

It's just a matter of who gets the third bid.

Right now here are the scenarios using a 3-2-1 bonus. Note I may be wrong, considering I originally had the CCHA Championship mattering but now it appears that it doesn't change anything. But to the best of my knowledge, here's how it shakes out.

Gate gets the bid with:
a win or tie

UVM gets the bid with:
a win AND a Quinnipiac win AND a UAF win

Dartmouth gets the bid with:
a Vermont win AND a Mercyhurst win, or
a Vermont win AND a Michigan St. win or tie