As reported on the Clarkson site:
http://www.clarksonathletics.com/News/mhock/2006/9/24/2006MHOCpoll.asp?path=mhock
Cornell is overrated in both polls.
Interesting that the coaches picked Clarkson second, five of them even putting the Golden Knights at the top of the league. Granted, I think Clarkson only lost two players to graduation (any others to the pros or elsewhere that I'm not aware of?), but this is also a team that finished eighth last season. This really isn't a knock against Clarkson; eighth to second/first is a hell of a jump to make in one year for any team.
I agree more with the media poll than the coache's poll, somehow I do not think Clarkson is going to end up top 4. And no, Cornell is not overrated we definitely can finish 4th (or higher) with great incoming freshman forwards and respectable goalies, but with the big question mark on defense.
I expect we're about where we should be, maybe a spot too high. The incoming freshmen look pretty good on paper but I'd hesitate to think that they will immediately produce as much as last year's seniors. You're (obviously) right about the defense, it still makes me nervous ::worry::
I've got Cornell in the 3-6 area. Harvard and Colgate definitely the top two with Dartmouth, Clarkson, Quinnipiac, Cornell in the 3-6 spots.
I think they're dead- on- accurate predicting Yale, Brown and Princeton will bring up the rear. Way to suck, guys.
I think Brown and Princeton will be improved, particularly Brown. I don't think either will get into the top six, but they'll be better than the last couple years.
The jump from 8th to 2nd is a big leap but the coaches probably picked Clarkson that high based on having lost little to graduation, compared to other teams and the remaining top guys having matured.
Also, like Cornell, Tech has a nice group, although small in number naturally, of incoming recruits at least two of whom should make significant contributions. And pretty good goaltending as well.
Picking them to finish on top is a stretch but Top 4 is definitely within Clarkson's reach. Maturity is the key word over last year's performance which lacked consistency of effort at times.
I know for sure that they'd be disappointed to finish lower than 4th.
for once I agree with Rich S. maybe it's my new green and gold tinted glasses, but clarkson is going to have a killer team this year. if they can be consistant, there is no reason that they cannot be 2nd in the league.
[quote Dpperk29]if they can be consistant, there is no reason that they cannot be 2nd in the league.[/quote]
If by consistent you mean learn to win on the road, then I agree. Leggio consistently playing as well as he played at Lynah would also help the Knights live up to the preseason hype.
http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2007/pred/07predict.html
01. Dartmouth
02. Colgate
03. Harvard
04. Cornell
5(t) Clarkson
5(t) St. Lawrence
07. Union
08. Quinnipiac
09. RPI
10. Princeton
11. Brown
12. Yale
how do you have cornell ranked ahead of clarkson? did you not see how close those two teams played in march? have you not noticed all the loses to cornell? good incoming class or not, you can't say they will be better yet. Don't get me wrong, I love cornell, but don't rank them higher than they belong
[quote Dpperk29]how do you have cornell ranked ahead of clarkson? did you not see how close those two teams played in march? have you not noticed all the loses to cornell? good incoming class or not, you can't say they will be better yet. Don't get me wrong, I love cornell, but don't rank them higher than they belong[/quote]
His is based solely on an equation, no subjectivity or such.
[quote Dpperk29]how do you have cornell ranked ahead of clarkson? did you not see how close those two teams played in march? have you not noticed all the loses to cornell? good incoming class or not, you can't say they will be better yet. Don't get me wrong, I love cornell, but don't rank them higher than they belong[/quote]
Ahhh yes,.... I see the kid is finally starting to come around.
;-)
slowly drew... slowly... my blood is now more of a redish green and gold... instead of straight ride and white
Glad to see you're making progress. ;-)
[quote French Rage]His is based solely on an equation, no subjectivity or such.[/quote]
Correct. It is defined in the "Never Apologize" link. (The first one -- I see the bottom one is broken... stupid job keeps distracting me. :-( )
FWIW, my personal, subjective prediction from the USCHO thread:
01. Colgate
02. Harvard
03. Dartmouth
04. Clarkson
05. St. Lawrence
06. Quinnipiac
07. Cornell
08. RPI
09. Princeton
10. Union
11. Yale
12. Brown
much better, thank you.
[quote Dpperk29]slowly drew... slowly... my blood is now more of a redish green and gold... instead of straight ride and white[/quote]Green and gold blood? That doesn't sound healthy. You should probably stick with red. :-}
[quote Trotsky][quote French Rage]His is based solely on an equation, no subjectivity or such.[/quote]
Correct. It is defined in the "Never Apologize" link. (The first one -- I see the bottom one is broken... stupid job keeps distracting me. :-( )
FWIW, my personal, subjective prediction from the USCHO thread:
01. Colgate
02. Harvard
03. Dartmouth
04. Clarkson
05. St. Lawrence
06. Quinnipiac
07. Cornell
08. RPI
09. Princeton
10. Union
11. Yale
12. Brown[/quote]
You've really got St. Lawrence high. Think about all that they lost. Trevelyan, Zeiler, Rank, Madill. They had a good freshmen class last year and a good one coming in this year as well, but I still don't see them finishing in the top six.
[quote calgARI '07]
You've really got St. Lawrence high.[/quote]
I believe North Country teams are an ever-present danger. Of course, I also believe the USSR has been sandbagging to lull us into complacency. As has the Spanish Empire!
Progress on the Clarkson fan characteristic of loyalty and defending one's team, or progress on the Clarkson fan characteristic of knee-jerk reactions to things he hasn't investigated carefully? :-}
Cheap Shots R Us,
Why do you rate Union so low on your personal list compared to the TBRW's listing? They've gotten more consistent (save for March play) and they have talent of late.
Or am I just being biased because of my constant, hope beyond hope, the- glass- is- always- half- full dream that Union will some day make it to Albany...?
[quote Ben Rocky 04]
Or am I just being biased because of my constant, hope beyond hope, the- glass- is- always- half- full dream that Union will some day make it to Albany...?[/quote]
Why do you have that dream, Ben? It seems somewhat...random.
[quote Liz '05][quote Ben Rocky 04]
Or am I just being biased because of my constant, hope beyond hope, the- glass- is- always- half- full dream that Union will some day make it to Albany...?[/quote]
Why do you have that dream, Ben? It seems somewhat...random.[/quote]
And you should really have more modest dreams, such as them actually winning a playoff series.
[quote French Rage][quote Liz '05][quote Ben Rocky 04]
Or am I just being biased because of my constant, hope beyond hope, the- glass- is- always- half- full dream that Union will some day make it to Albany...?[/quote]
Why do you have that dream, Ben? It seems somewhat...random.[/quote]
And you should really have more modest dreams, such as them actually winning a playoff series.[/quote]
Or at least of them breaking the all-time record for the length of a college hockey game (men's and women's). :-P
[quote Ben Rocky 04]Why do you rate Union so low on your personal list compared to the TBRW's listing?[/quote]
Sheer bias. For one thing, I don't like them; never have. For another, I think their program is fundamentally handicapped by lack of interest / outright sabotage at the hands of their administration.
I nearly always overestimate Clarkson and underestimate Union. I just expect the former to achieve and the latter to flounder. I have no good reasons.
[quote Beeeej]the Clarkson fan characteristic of knee-jerk reactions to things he hasn't investigated carefully?[/quote]
That's not a characteristic of "the" Clarkson fan, but of "a" Clarkson fan.
Everyone can dream!! Don't judge me! ::crazy::
You talking about others taking cheap shots is a riot considering your illogical criticism of me for not walking over to see you in March at Lynah.
The progress I referred to is in the small steps he has taken to become afan of the school where he's matriculating as opposed to the one closest to his hometown.
It's that simple and nice to see. :-)
Not having investigated...what for example?
[quote Trotsky]
I believe North Country teams are an ever-present danger. [/quote]
you have that all wrong... Tech is the only dangerous team up here. the SlUts will suck this year...
[quote jmh30][quote Dpperk29]slowly drew... slowly... my blood is now more of a redish green and gold... instead of straight ride and white[/quote]Green and gold blood? That doesn't sound healthy. You should probably stick with red. :-}[/quote]
you gotta be alittle different to want to live up here... even God's forgotten that we are here...
[quote Dpperk29][quote Trotsky]
I believe North Country teams are an ever-present danger. [/quote]
you have that all wrong... Tech is the only dangerous team up here. the SlUts will suck this year...[/quote]
Given the Saints penchant for ending Cornell seasons, it would be foolish for a Big Red fan to ever count them out.
[quote Dpperk29]even God's forgotten that we are here...[/quote]
You may just be backing the wrong horse. Odin and Freya would be happy to have followers in the Saint Lawrence River valley.
Kepler's Laws have always been empirical observations.
[quote Trotsky][quote Beeeej]the Clarkson fan characteristic of knee-jerk reactions to things he hasn't investigated carefully?[/quote]
That's not a characteristic of "the" Clarkson fan, but of "a" Clarkson fan.[/quote]
You never spent much time at the Round Table, did you? :-}
When Devin starts saying "Our Knights are AWESOME!" then we'll know he's gone too far.
[quote Dpperk29][quote jmh30][quote Dpperk29]slowly drew... slowly... my blood is now more of a redish green and gold... instead of straight ride and white[/quote]Green and gold blood? That doesn't sound healthy. You should probably stick with red. :-}[/quote]
you gotta be alittle different to want to live up here... even God's forgotten that we are here...[/quote]
Well, Green and Gold mized together is about the color of anti-freeze...
How is that different from some of the comments here about the Big Red?
[quote Dpperk29]my blood is now more of a redish green and gold...[/quote]
Isn't that going to be the color of the Clarkson 3rd jerseys this year?
;-)
[quote Rich S]How is that different from some of the comments here about the Big Red?[/quote]
Such as?
Posing a rhetorical question with no evidence is pointless.
[quote Rich S]How is that different from some of the comments here about the Big Red?[/quote]
Unfortunately, it's not in the archives because it was on the old CHDF, but there were some posts by someone calling herself "Blonde" which reached a level where as I recall Rich and I mocked her with replies like "Our Red are AWESOME!!!"
[quote jtwcornell91][quote Rich S]How is that different from some of the comments here about the Big Red?[/quote]
Unfortunately, it's not in the archives because it was on the old CHDF, but there were some posts by someone calling herself "Blonde" which reached a level where as I recall Rich and I mocked her with replies like "Our Red are AWESOME!!!"[/quote] Several years ago, when Clarkson's start-of-season record was about 0-5, I replied to a message stating "Our Knights are Awesome!" with "Our Knights are Awful!". I didn't hear the end of it both on- and off-line for ages.
[quote RichH][quote Dpperk29]my blood is now more of a redish green and gold...[/quote]
Isn't that going to be the color of the Clarkson 3rd jerseys this year?
;-)[/quote]
they'll prolly be some ungodly ugly color... with some ugly design on them...
oh how I miss the simplicity of cornell jerseys
Stay tuned, you may be disappointed if you're looking for an unGodly design. :-}
nothing rhetorical about it.
Folks object to one Tech supporter saying "Our Knights are awesome" yet many post comments here which qualify as equally strong examples of cheerleading or woofing.
No difference.
Actually, the "Cheap Shots R Us" was very much a reference to my own post, which - though I probably could have resisted - I chose not to. I'm not entirely above such things when it's in good fun. :-)
As for March, I have no desire to take that up again. I know where I stand and why, and as far as I was able to tell, you were not able to understand either one.
Beej,
Get over yourself. You said you were insulted that I didn't want to walk over to where you were sitting. I said I preferred to hang out and chat with a lot of folks whom I knew were there from the North Country. You dismissed that idea.
In point of fact, I did take a walk over to your area and was dattired as I said i would be. I guess you weren't there. So be it.
Was railing at me worth it? ::rolleyes::
[quote Rich S]nothing rhetorical about it.
Folks object to one Tech supporter saying "Our Knights are awesome" yet many post comments here which qualify as equally strong examples of cheerleading or woofing.
No difference.[/quote]
No - nobody "objected" to those comments. JTW simply pointed out that when you start posting like that, you've gone too far - no matter who does it or whose board he does it on. I think most of the regulars on this board agree with that view and (as JTW subsequently pointed out) call out our own when it does go that far.
I've never seen anyone on the Round Table do the same, but I'm only a 4 or 5 time per season viewer, so I may have missed something in the few dozen posts in between my visits... :-P
Ralph,
Appropriate comment your part.
However, I do think that when Ann says "awesome", she is referring to the character of the Knights as individuals as much as she is referring to their on-ice performance because I know she gets to know al of them personally through Booster Club activities.
How did you refer to RPI when their performance was "awful" in a recent year?
[quote Rich S]Ralph,
Appropriate comment your part.
However, I do think that when Ann says "awesome", she is referring to the character of the Knights as individuals as much as she is referring to their on-ice performance because I know she gets to know al of them personally through Booster Club activities.
How did you refer to RPI when their performance was "awful" in a recent year?[/quote] There is more than one way of interpreting "Our (K)nights are awesome". ;-)
I suspect that I have used words similar to awful to describe RPI's performance many times over the years.
there is a difference between what I expect and what I want.
[quote Dpperk29]there is a difference between what I expect and what I want.[/quote]
I'm married, too.
[quote Dpperk29]there is a difference between what I expect and what I want.[/quote]
"My salad days, When I was green in judgment,....."
[quote Trotsky][quote Dpperk29]there is a difference between what I expect and what I want.[/quote]
I'm married, too.[/quote]
I'm married to my school work, but I frequently cheat on her with booze and other women. I mean... she's a whore anyways
:-}
[quote Rich S]Folks object to one Tech supporter saying "Our Knights are awesome" yet many post comments here which qualify as equally strong examples of cheerleading or woofing.[/quote]
I agree with Robb. I don't think anyone ever "objected" to that at all. I know I didn't. That phrase, her online persona, the arena signs, and the statue are all pretty endearing, if you ask me. For the most part, it's amusing, not objectionable...a "hey, that's fun in a corny sort of way" type of thing. Kind of like the first time you see the "Rally Monkey." The difference is that the Rally Monkey got overexposed and overused.
Wow...this may set the record for earliest big Clarkson-Cornell online pissing match! This should be a fun season!
For the record (and to tug the wheel back in the direction of the topic), I think this will be a huge coming-out year for George Roll, and Clarkson will have a much stronger regular season than Cornell.
[quote RichH]I think this will be a huge coming-out year for George Roll, and Clarkson will have a much stronger regular season than Cornell.[/quote]
Thus restoring the established order to the ECAC? As long as we fulfill Kepler's Second Law by winning in the playoffs, I can live with that this season.
[quote RichH]
For the record (and to tug the wheel back in the direction of the topic), I think this will be a huge coming-out year for George Roll, and Clarkson will have a much stronger regular season than Cornell.[/quote]
finally you are seeing the light...
In that instance, I don't think that was Ann.
And that wasn't objecting then; it was mocking. That's much better. :-D
[quote Rich S]In that instance, I don't think that was Ann.
And that wasn't objecting then; it was mocking. That's much better. :-D[/quote]
Now, I'm sure we can take this as your assurance that you'll never mock us or the Cornell team again, here or on the Round Table. Right?
Al,
Something about people who live in glass houses comes to mind.
[quote Rich S]In that instance, I don't think that was Ann.
And that wasn't objecting then; it was mocking. That's much better. :-D[/quote]
[quote Al DeFlorio]Now, I'm sure we can take this as your assurance that you'll never mock us or the Cornell team again, here or on the Round Table. Right?[/quote]
[quote Rich S]Al,
Something about people who live in glass houses comes to mind.[/quote]
Jesus Christ, will you two just do it already?
Oh no, Rich and I have been expecting--nay, dreading--the reawakening of the tiny sleeping giant for a while now. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a "classic" ECAC season unless Clarkson gets a high seed and we knock them off from a lower seed, preferably with a shutout in the semis.
In fact, one could make a list of the things that need to happen in a "classic" ECAC season. In no particular order:
1) Clarkson, almost robotically, marches their way through the regular season to a #1 seed with their fans all the while secretly fearing a goaltender meltdown.
2) Yale puts up promising numbers early on and then absolutely TANKS in the second half. (Why 1998 was so, so wrong. Post-Taylor, though, who knows?)
3) Brown and Cornell play two close games marred by chippy play, ending in Cornell OT wins or ties.
4) RPI fans get excited about their players' obvious offensive skills, and their goalie's solid play vs. Cornell, but then remember that if shots against is commonly greater than 30, you will lose many, many games.
5) Dartmouth murders the Red at Thompson, setting up a "gut check" game at Lynah.
6) Cornell is accused of being a "clutch and grab" team; Cornell fans respond by saying that Cornell's team speed is actually surprising and they're just well coached.
7) Harvard gets out to an early points "lead," causing the hockey media at-large to write tons of Harvard articles. They piss away the rest of the season, and CHOKE in the Beanpot. After making a post-season run (through SLU, lately), they are killed-off at the end or win a completely undeserved championship. They waste an NCAA opportunity for the n-th consecutive year.
8) Union inexplicably beats the Red either home or away.
9) Colgate and Cornell meet in the playoffs with the predictable result.
10) Something about SLU and Cornell that I'd rather not think about.
11) Oh yeah, Dartmouth and Princeton play seasons, but nobody cares.
12) RPI fans and the media float the idea of RPI moving to Hockey Least, Clarkson fans whine about the ECAC game restrictions (due to the Ivies), and nothing really changes. (And then we got Quinnipiac. Hunh.)
13) And, of course, the valiant Red start slow, end strong, and then make an amazing run through the playoffs for their n-th ECAC championship. After what the media considers to be a surprising run through the regionals, the Big Red eke out two tough wins in the Frozen Four, finally winning that elusive 3rd national championship. The sight of Cornell fans hurling themselves onto the ice causes the championship game's color announcer to exclaim, "Wow! For a bunch of Ivy kids, those Cornell fans are pretty darn crazy about hockey!"
Sorry, moved over into fantasy there at the end...
And, since it's always best to reply to one's own message, I agree with Rich that this is George Roll's coming out year. Well, either that or the year he gets put on the coaching "watch list."
I predicted great success for Roll early on, and it just hasn't happened. As far as I'm concerned, a healthy Clarkson is good for the ECAC, and I wanted that to happen post-haste. (And as the child of a Clarkson parent, I was kind of disappointed for the Clarkson alums.) Maybe there were structural issues there that I just didn't understand, but I expected more, quicker.
For us younger fans, it's not a real season until Vermont upsets Clarkson in the first round of the playoffs, but sadly that will not happen anymore. Quinnipiac maybe?
[quote RichH][quote Rich S]Folks object to one Tech supporter saying "Our Knights are awesome" yet many post comments here which qualify as equally strong examples of cheerleading or woofing.[/quote]
I agree with Robb. I don't think anyone ever "objected" to that at all. I know I didn't. That phrase, her online persona, the arena signs, and the statue are all pretty endearing, if you ask me. For the most part, it's amusing, not objectionable...a "hey, that's fun in a corny sort of way" type of thing. [/quote]
I never "objected" - but I never found it endearing, either. It is probably because I am a big city guy but the cornpone enthusiasm of those "simply awesome" posts on the Roundtable were something I very much laughed at, not with.
(FWIW, the crazy boosterish signoffs from CAAB were not-quite-equally ridiculous but pretty bad. Though not as bad as his calls for more goals from a defense-only team.)
[quote Scersk '97]4) RPI fans get excited about their players' obvious offensive skills, and their goalie's solid play vs. Cornell, but then remember that if shots against is commonly greater than 30, you will lose many, many games.[/quote]
Make that 45 shots with the Houston goal judges. (Or do they only inflate the RIP shot totals? I forget.)
[quote jtwcornell91]Make that 45 shots with the Houston goal judges. (Or do they only inflate the RIP shot totals? I forget.)[/quote]
No, they inflate both. 50 shots at Houston is 30 shots anywhere else.
Following that line of commentary, Beej's comment about "not investigating" was pointless.
Hey, Dickie?
The name's Beeeej. Thanks.
Would you two get a room and make out already?::rolleyes::
Yes, and make sure it's airtight and has a carbon monoxide generator, too.
Get over yourslef. Seriously. I'm not sweating it if I don't get the number of "e"s exactly right in your name.
You shouldn't either.
[quote Rich S]Get over yourslef. Seriously. I'm not sweating it if I don't get the number of "e"s exactly right in your name.
You shouldn't either.[/quote]
Okay, Bich! I won't.
Here's the ECACHL preview by Jason Moy. We place 6th.
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,12786/200607ECACHLSeasonPreview.html
USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
October 2, 2006
Team Points (First Place Votes) Last Poll Record
1 Boston College 478 (19) 2 26-13-3
2 University of Minnesota 438 (2) 8 27- 9-5
3 University of Wisconsin 430 (11) 1 30-10-3
4 Michigan State University 387 6 25-12-8
5 Boston University 367 (2) 5 26-10-4
6 University of Michigan 349 12 21-15-5
7 University of North Dakota 332 3 29-16-1
8 Miami (Ohio) University 272 9 26- 9-4
9 University of Denver 226 NR 21-15-3
10 University of New Hampshire 162 13 20-13-7
11 University of Maine 140 4 28-12-2
12 Harvard University 110 10 21-12-2
13 Colorado College 77 11 24-16-2
14 Colgate University 73 NR 20-13-6
15 Cornell University 55 7 22- 9-4
Others receiving votes: The Ohio State University 51, St. Cloud State University 35, Dartmouth College 15,
Bemidji State University 12, University of Minnesota-Duluth 12, University of Nebraska Omaha 12,
Northern Michigan University 12, Mercyhurst College 11, Clarkson University 7, Providence College 7,
University of Vermont 4, Ferris State University 4, Holy Cross 2.