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General Category => Hockey => Topic started by: LaJollaRed on April 28, 2006, 08:23:25 PM

Title: Euro-players?
Post by: LaJollaRed on April 28, 2006, 08:23:25 PM
I was talking about this today with someone:

When was the last time (if ever) that Cornell has had a european player on the team? Do ANY teams in the NCAA have Euro players right now?

We recruit heavily from BC, but what about Germany, Russia, Sweeden, Finland? There must be tons of kids there who would love to get an American, Ivy League education AND play at a very competitive, visible level.

If they're good enough to play in the European junior leagues, but not yet ready for the NHL, why not give it the ole college try? (ha.) It'd certainly give them a chance to really prove themselves.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: ebilmes on April 28, 2006, 08:26:20 PM
Murray?
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: LaJollaRed on April 28, 2006, 08:40:44 PM
Yup. You're right.

But still...Die Berlin Junior-Eisbären looks like a fun team.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jkahn on April 28, 2006, 08:56:38 PM
Recent NCAA notables include Peter Sejna (Slovakia) and Thomas Vanek (Austria).  Both, I believe, spent time in the USHL before college.  There have been numerous Finns in the college ranks.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jtwcornell91 on April 28, 2006, 09:51:27 PM
Kovac?
Svoboda?
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: French Rage on April 28, 2006, 11:43:05 PM
Starchuski
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: Beeeej on April 29, 2006, 12:09:38 AM
Kloboucek.

Beeeej
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: ursusminor on April 29, 2006, 12:36:35 AM
[quote LaJollaRed]When was the last time (if ever) that Cornell has had a european player on the team? Do ANY teams in the NCAA have Euro players right now?[/quote]Last season, RPI had players from Slovakia (Alexander Valentin), Austria (Mathias Lange), and Russia (Andrei Uryadov). Valentin is gaduating.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: calgARI '07 on April 29, 2006, 12:48:27 AM
[quote French Rage]Starchuski[/quote]

After that experiment, I doubt we'll be seeing any more guys from Europe any time soon.  For the record, Stachurski is Canadian but played in Finland for some reason.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: min on April 29, 2006, 12:56:41 AM
not to be forgotten is the fact that plenty of women's hockey players are from europe. that was one impression i got from watching the winter olympics.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: ugarte on April 29, 2006, 01:17:42 AM
Did Cornell find Murray in Sweden or on Apple Core?
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: evilnaturedrobot on April 29, 2006, 07:03:57 AM
Isn't Krueger European?  He plays for the German Junior national team, so he at least holds a EU passport.

I think the reason that you don't see more euros in the NCAA is because by the age of 16 they're getting paid to play in European Junior leagues, making them ineligible to play college hokey.  In order for a European to play in the NCAA they have to make the decision early on to not accept compensation for playing.  That probably means moving to North America to play in either the USHL or Tier 2 Canadian Juniors, as I don't believe there are any high level amateur junior leagues in Europe (though I wouldn't want to be quoted on this.)  My guess is that most 16 year olds don't want to move a continent away just for the sake of maintaining NCAA eligibility.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jkahn on April 29, 2006, 10:13:51 AM
[quote ugarte]Did Cornell find Murray in Sweden or on Apple Core?[/quote] Apple Core.
My recollection is that Murray came to Long Island as a junior in high school on one of those one year exchange programs, started playing for Apple Core and decided to stay in the U.S. for his senior year also.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jkahn on April 29, 2006, 10:20:59 AM
[quote evilnaturedrobot]Isn't Krueger European?  He plays for the German Junior national team, so he at least holds a EU passport.
[/quote]
Justin Krüger (or Krueger as it gets translated) is German, but has played in Switzerland the last few years when not playing for the German national team.  His dad has been coaching in Switzerland and was the coach of the Swiss Olympic hockey team.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: KeithK on April 29, 2006, 11:57:50 AM
Further, it would be hard for an NCAA coach to spend much time recruiting in Europe.  Limited budgets.  You get much more bang for the recruiting buck looking in your own backyard.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: DeltaOne81 on April 29, 2006, 12:51:06 PM
[quote evilnaturedrobot]as I don't believe there are any high level amateur junior leagues in Europe (though I wouldn't want to be quoted on this.)[/quote]

;)
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jtwcornell91 on April 29, 2006, 09:09:41 PM
Justin Krüger (or Krueger as it gets translated) is German, but has played in Switzerland the last few years when not playing for the German national team.  His dad has been coaching in Switzerland and was the coach of the Swiss Olympic hockey team.[/quote]

Actually, names are not always interchangeable with the transliterations.  At least in the case of his father Ralph, the name seems to be spelled Krueger, even in German.

When I was living in Switzerland I saw a few games on TV (mostly Spengler Cup matches from Davos, the year that Lance Nethery's Kölner Haie) where Ralph Krueger was the color commentator.  He speaks German with this hilariously broad Canadian accent.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jkahn on April 29, 2006, 11:36:35 PM
[quote jkahn]Justin Krüger (or Krueger as it gets translated) is German, but has played in Switzerland the last few years when not playing for the German national team.  His dad has been coaching in Switzerland and was the coach of the Swiss Olympic hockey team.[/quote]

[quote jtw] Actually, names are not always interchangeable with the transliterations.  At least in the case of his father Ralph, the name seems to be spelled Krueger, even in German.[/quote]

Just google: "Justin Krueger" eishockey.
You'll get many more results with Justin Krüger than with Justin Krueger, and given that the German language sites seem to use Krüger, that's the spelling I cited.  Strangely, most references to Ralph seem to use the Krueger spelling.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: calgARI '07 on April 30, 2006, 01:24:08 AM
Maybe it was my imagination but I thought I heard some commentator at the Olympics say that Ralph Krueger (the father) was from Winnipeg.  Even if he was, Justin could still be German or Swiss or dual with Canada.  Still not trained in Europe though.  Only guy of the last few years who was playing in Europe the year before he was at Cornell was Stachurski I think.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jtwcornell91 on April 30, 2006, 08:26:55 AM
[quote jkahn][quote jkahn]Justin Krüger (or Krueger as it gets translated) is German, but has played in Switzerland the last few years when not playing for the German national team.  His dad has been coaching in Switzerland and was the coach of the Swiss Olympic hockey team.[/quote]

[quote jtw] Actually, names are not always interchangeable with the transliterations.  At least in the case of his father Ralph, the name seems to be spelled Krueger, even in German.[/quote]

Just google: "Justin Krueger" eishockey.
You'll get many more results with Justin Krüger than with Justin Krueger, and given that the German language sites seem to use Krüger, that's the spelling I cited.  Strangely, most references to Ralph seem to use the Krueger spelling.[/quote]

Weird.  I only googled Ralph.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jkahn on April 30, 2006, 02:20:25 PM
[quote calgARI '07]Maybe it was my imagination but I thought I heard some commentator at the Olympics say that Ralph Krueger (the father) was from Winnipeg.  Even if he was, Justin could still be German or Swiss or dual with Canada.  Still not trained in Europe though.  Only guy of the last few years who was playing in Europe the year before he was at Cornell was Stachurski I think.[/quote]

Justin played two years for Davos HC Jrs. (Switzerland) before playing in the BCHL this year.  I think I saw somewhere that he played in Germany before that.  His dad might be originally Canadian or at least he spent a good part of his youth there, but then he played and has coached in Europe for years.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: jkahn on April 30, 2006, 02:25:26 PM
[quote jtwcornell91][quote jkahn][quote jkahn]Justin Krüger (or Krueger as it gets translated) is German, but has played in Switzerland the last few years when not playing for the German national team.  His dad has been coaching in Switzerland and was the coach of the Swiss Olympic hockey team.[/quote]

[quote jtw] Actually, names are not always interchangeable with the transliterations.  At least in the case of his father Ralph, the name seems to be spelled Krueger, even in German.[/quote]

Just google: "Justin Krueger" eishockey.
You'll get many more results with Justin Krüger than with Justin Krueger, and given that the German language sites seem to use Krüger, that's the spelling I cited.  Strangely, most references to Ralph seem to use the Krueger spelling.[/quote]

Weird.  I only googled Ralph.[/quote]
So it's impossible to tell whether the German sites are germanizing the spelling or whether the original family name was Krüger and they're just reversing the anglicizing.
Title: Re: Euro-players?
Post by: ithacat on April 30, 2006, 09:56:02 PM
Justin's dad joined the Carolina organization as a scout in March. Here's a little info -- not much, however.

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/detail/Krueger_gets_second_stab_at_Olympics.html?siteSect=105&sid=6378996&cKey=1138982874000

http://www.centericemagazine.com/breakingnews2.html