I received an email from a fellow fan who has heard that season ticket holders in section C will be "offered" seating in F and G.
If true, well, golly gee, athletics: way to show your respect and sensitivity for a lot of people who have been supporting the program for, in many cases, several decades.
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[quote Trotsky]I received an email from a fellow fan who has heard that season ticket holders in section C will be "offered" seating in F and G.
If true, well, golly gee, athletics: way to show your respect and sensitivity for a lot of people who have been supporting the program for, in many cases, several decades.[/quote]
It's true they could have moved the townies out of M and around the horseshoe, but my primary concern is that the student section be reunited, and it looks like that's going to happen. Yaay.
Besides, just sneak over into the student section. You know you want to, anyway.
Kyle
[quote krose][quote Trotsky]I received an email from a fellow fan who has heard that season ticket holders in section C will be "offered" seating in F and G.
If true, well, golly gee, athletics: way to show your respect and sensitivity for a lot of people who have been supporting the program for, in many cases, several decades.[/quote]
It's true they could have moved the townies out of M and around the horseshoe, but my primary concern is that the student section be reunited, and it looks like that's going to happen. Yaay.
Besides, just sneak over into the student section. You know you want to, anyway.
Kyle[/quote]
I have no problem giving C to the students -- I've advocated it for years, and I was in C *as a student* back in the day.
I think they should give the evictees the choice of *any* seat in the house not currently occupied by a renewable season ticket holder. If they choose in A-D, they'll have to stand. If they choose anywhere else, they don't.
Is that too simple and fair to be adopted?
Several C-section alumni will be getting a petition up and we'll be calling the AD's office. Still time to nip this in the bud, if we're organized about it.
By all means, make C a student standing section. But give the former C-sectioners options -- don't just evict us; that's a steaming turd sandwich to feed us after decades of loyal support (and donor dollars).
[quote Trotsky]
I have no problem giving C to the students -- I've advocated it for years, and I was in C *as a student* back in the day.
I think they should give the evictees the choice of *any* seat in the house not currently occupied by a renewable season ticket holder. If they choose in A-D, they'll have to stand. If they choose anywhere else, they don't.
Is that too simple and fair to be adopted?[/quote]
Well then the current section C reselects section C and it's still not the student section whether they stand or sit.
I feel for the boosters who could potentially get 'booted' and I do believe there should be SOME options. I also have a good family friend who could be affected by this. He has great seats, and I will feel bad if he gets booted.
However, with that said, I think they're just fixing a mistake made years ago. It was stupid to break up the student sections, it decreased the atmosphere and broke up the coordination of the different sections. I think this is much better for the team and the Lynah atmosphere. The old saying, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."
[quote Trotsky][quote krose][quote Trotsky]I received an email from a fellow fan who has heard that season ticket holders in section C will be "offered" seating in F and G.
If true, well, golly gee, athletics: way to show your respect and sensitivity for a lot of people who have been supporting the program for, in many cases, several decades.[/quote]
It's true they could have moved the townies out of M and around the horseshoe, but my primary concern is that the student section be reunited, and it looks like that's going to happen. Yaay.
Besides, just sneak over into the student section. You know you want to, anyway.
Kyle[/quote]
I have no problem giving C to the students -- I've advocated it for years, and I was in C *as a student* back in the day.
I think they should give the evictees the choice of *any* seat in the house not currently occupied by a renewable season ticket holder. If they choose in A-D, they'll have to stand. If they choose anywhere else, they don't.
Is that too simple and fair to be adopted?[/quote]
I think you should have said if they choose a section between A-G they have to stand. That said if the school want to offer them a front row bench in the other sections that would probably work as it would not interfere with the ability of the students to stand.
[quote WillCMJr]...The old saying, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."[/quote]Are we really at the point where lines from Star Trek count as "old sayings"?
[quote KeithK][quote WillCMJr]...The old saying, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."[/quote]Are we really at the point where lines from Star Trek count as "old sayings"?[/quote]
Considering that Wrath of Khan came out some 24 years ago, before most current Cornell undergrads were born, I'd have to say, yeah, that's an old saying. :-P
I believe that current section C folks will be offered 1st crack at the new seats at the scoreboard end of the rink...otherwise the thought is, that if C goes back to students, there will be a student shift over to the lower alphabet sections, freeing up more room in G and H....
Well, I'm a little worried that you guys think that saying was never used before star trek. :-}
Just curious as to what new seats at the scoreboard end?
[quote WillCMJr]Well, I'm a little worried that you guys think that saying was never used before star trek. :-}[/quote]Certainly the concept was not invented by Mr. Roddenberry. Not sure about the exact quote. I've never heard it in a pre-ST context and a quick Google search seemed to only point to ST references. This, of course, proves absolutely nothing. But it was good enough for me to make the previous post.
As a student I had seats in B, C, and D through 1986. I left Ithaca for a few years, but got season tickets immediately upon my return to Ithaca in 1990, became a "Booster", and got on the waiting list for Section C tickets. In 1990 my season tickets were somewhere in the East end of the rink, but I always snuck into one of the student sections. By 1991, I believe, I was back in Section C, and have been there ever since. Paying the Section C premium. I might settle for Greg's solution of allowing those of us in C to pick any open seat, knowing that we will need to stand if we pick seats in a student section. While this is not optimal for me, because my daughters might have a tough time seeing, I'd accept it. In fact, I made pretty much this exact suggestion the first time I heard talk of giving Section C back to the students.
But what seems a whole lot fairer is to allow people who will have to move from C to pick seats, based on how long they have had season tickets. So, as a C season ticket holder since 1991, I could take any seat in the house from anyone who had their season tickets for less time than I have had mine. If I happen to relocate someone who had seats in Section M since 1992, tough! They can relocate someone who had seats since 1993 or 1994. Sure, this would be a nightmare for Gene Nighman and his staff, but it would be more fair. Of course I know this will never happen, as it would basically mean a rink-wide shuffle of seats.
As a next best solution, how about offering everyone who has to move out of C their equivalent seats in Section M? Now you'll be "screwing" the people in Section M, but everyone moved out of C should be reasonably happy. Offer the people from M whatever seats they were going to offer those of us in C. Sure, you're still inconveniencing most of an entire section, but now it would not be your most loyal, steadfast fans...fans who have been paying a premium for the Section C seats for, in some cases, decades.
Why should those of us in C get the short end of the stick just because we happen to be in the section the administration wants to give back to the students? Switching Section C to Section M, and relocating people in M is a fairer approach. And I'm not just saying that because I have seats in Section C. (Well, OK, maybe I am, but so what?) I really think this plan would be fairer overall. I really do. Honest.
Andy W.
Andy, by section L, I assume you really mean section M, the true center section on the north side of Lynah that is directly across from C. (L is directly across from D.) Then again...given that I was in M this past year and hope to be again in the year(s) to come...sure, go ahead, kick L out. ;-)
[quote Will]Andy, by section L, I assume you really mean section M, the true center section on the north side of Lynah that is directly across from C. (L is directly across from D.) Then again...given that I was in M this past year and hope to be again in the year(s) to come...sure, go ahead, kick L out. ;-)[/quote]
You're right, of course...I did mean M. (Somehow I kept forgetting about O when I was working backwards around from that end of the rink.)
I will edit my original post now, but wanted to post this so that Will, (who if I have my way will be sitting somewhere in F or G next year--sorry, buddy), doesn't look bad.
Andy W.
[quote andyw2100]Will, (who if I have my way will be sitting somewhere in F or G next year--sorry, buddy)[/quote]
Being that I've spent a cumulative three years in sections F and G, I will say that while F wouldn't be too horrible, if I end up in G ever again, I will have to kill someone (probably you Andy--sorry, buddy :-D ).
[quote Chris '03][quote Trotsky]
I have no problem giving C to the students -- I've advocated it for years, and I was in C *as a student* back in the day.
I think they should give the evictees the choice of *any* seat in the house not currently occupied by a renewable season ticket holder. If they choose in A-D, they'll have to stand. If they choose anywhere else, they don't.
Is that too simple and fair to be adopted?[/quote]
Well then the current section C reselects section C and it's still not the student section whether they stand or sit.[/quote]
Except that lots of people in C won't pick a section where they have to stand.
[quote jtwcornell91][quote Chris '03][quote Trotsky]
I have no problem giving C to the students -- I've advocated it for years, and I was in C *as a student* back in the day.
I think they should give the evictees the choice of *any* seat in the house not currently occupied by a renewable season ticket holder. If they choose in A-D, they'll have to stand. If they choose anywhere else, they don't.
Is that too simple and fair to be adopted?[/quote]
Well then the current section C reselects section C and it's still not the student section whether they stand or sit.[/quote]
Except that lots of people in C won't pick a section where they have to stand.[/quote]
But say Section C people send around a letter telling everyone in Section C to just take the same seats. Everyone sits, students are closed out of the unification attempt, and you have the same situation we've had. What, are the ushers going to enforce a standing rule now? Highly doubtful. "Hey you! Let's go...off yer duff. This is a standing section. I don't care about your arthritic knee."
Oh, I have a LOT to say on this topic, but I don't have the time right now. I'll wait until the initial dust cloud settles.
Andy,
you will only get my section M tickets from my cold dead hands...
Just put up a fight... I am sure if you make enough of a stink, Gene will let you stay where you are
[quote WillCMJr]I feel for the boosters who could potentially get 'booted' and I do believe there should be SOME options. I also have a good family friend who could be affected by this. He has great seats, and I will feel bad if he gets booted.
However, with that said, I think they're just fixing a mistake made years ago. It was stupid to break up the student sections, it decreased the atmosphere and broke up the coordination of the different sections. I think this is much better for the team and the Lynah atmosphere. The old saying, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."[/quote]
"Who said that?"
"You did, in the Bible."
[quote RichH][quote jtwcornell91][quote Chris '03][quote Trotsky]
I have no problem giving C to the students -- I've advocated it for years, and I was in C *as a student* back in the day.
I think they should give the evictees the choice of *any* seat in the house not currently occupied by a renewable season ticket holder. If they choose in A-D, they'll have to stand. If they choose anywhere else, they don't.
Is that too simple and fair to be adopted?[/quote]
Well then the current section C reselects section C and it's still not the student section whether they stand or sit.[/quote]
Except that lots of people in C won't pick a section where they have to stand.[/quote]
But say Section C people send around a letter telling everyone in Section C to just take the same seats. Everyone sits, students are closed out of the unification attempt, and you have the same situation we've had. What, are the ushers going to enforce a standing rule now? Highly doubtful. "Hey you! Let's go...off yer duff. This is a standing section. I don't care about your arthritic knee."[/quote]
Except that some of us with seats in C want to stand, and would do so, and if C were a designated standing section, it would be more like the ushers not enforcing a non-existent sitting rule. Plus some of us would opt for seats in A or B, which would mean students would stand in our seats in C, and again anyone who had clung to their seats with the idea of sitting would have to deal.
[quote KeithK][quote WillCMJr]...The old saying, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."[/quote]Are we really at the point where lines from Star Trek count as "old sayings"?[/quote]
Well if you consider the in story timeline of the show, this saying is infact very new. So new that it has yet to be said...
I have a question that is marginally enough related to this thread not to start a new one. :-)
If an alum is moving back to the Central NY area, how would you go about getting non-student season tickets? Is the waiting list period particularly long?
Also, how does one go about joining the Cornell Hockey Association? Thanks. (I hope these aren't silly questions!)
To get non-student season tickets, you call (email, stop by, whatever) the tickets office and add your name to the waiting list. Yes, the waiting list is long. I'm unsure what the new seating will do to the waiting list length.
We have two season tickets (that we have had for several years) but we have been on the list for two more (for the kids) for 4 years. I checked my location on the list 2 years ago and I was at 125. This year I was at 123. Either they are slipping people ahead of me, making up numbers when I call, or the list has not moved particularly quickly in the past few years.
Personally, I vote for the last option. I know of several people with season tickets that have moved away, but kept their tickets. They sell them to neighbors/buddies/whatnot.
I'm hoping that the new seats move me quickly up the list.
CK
On that note, last I talked to Gene about where I was on the list for season tickets, he said that at the current rate it would take me 125 years to get season tickets ::twitch::
I added myself to that list in Jan of this year...there were about 300 people ahead of me :`(
I got on the list in 2001. At that time, I was told I was #20. Still waiting. Word on the street while waiting to buy single-game tickets for '03-'04 was that nobody came off the list that year.
Tickets will surely become available then next time the Big Red has a period of truly lean years. This was one of the few advantages of the period from 1992 to 1995 -- one could actually get seats, and improve them relatively easily.
I am sure that this cannot happen, but...
I have often thought that there should be an occasional Ticket Line for non-student seats. Maybe the way to deal with the current section C issue is to go to a good old fashioned "first come, first served" line for the whole place next fall.
I don't know why season tickets at Lynah should be renewable for a lifetime, even though I would love to keep my seats in section N forever. Maybe they should have a term limit -- make them expire every 3 years, and then they have to compete for seats with everyone else again.
I think it would be pretty cool to have the whole place filled with those who want their tickets the most, instead of those who have been going forever.
[quote Mike Nevin]Tickets will surely become available then next time the Big Red has a period of truly lean years. This was one of the few advantages of the period from 1992 to 1995 -- one could actually get seats, and improve them relatively easily.
I am sure that this cannot happen, but...
I have often thought that there should be an occasional Ticket Line for non-student seats. Maybe the way to deal with the current section C issue is to go to a good old fashioned "first come, first served" line for the whole place next fall.
I don't know why season tickets at Lynah should be renewable for a lifetime, even though I would love to keep my seats in section N forever. Maybe they should have a term limit -- make them expire every 3 years, and then they have to compete for seats with everyone else again.
I think it would be pretty cool to have the whole place filled with those who want their tickets the most, instead of those who have been going forever.[/quote]
I don't know about the term limit idea...it's pretty cool to always sit around the same people and get to know them over the course of 20 years or however long my parents have had season tickets at the Yale Bowl.
I think what I'm taking away from this thread is that even though I won't be able to go to games at Lynah regularly for, oh, the next dozen years or so, at least, I should put my name on the list now. ::nut::
[quote Liz '05]I think what I'm taking away from this thread is that even though I won't be able to go to games at Lynah regularly for, oh, the next dozen years or so, at least, I should put my name on the list now. ::nut::[/quote]
You may not be able to get season tickets for a long time, but you can expect to go to games "regularly." There are always tickets available.
[quote Mike Nevin]
I don't know why season tickets at Lynah should be renewable for a lifetime, even though I would love to keep my seats in section N forever. Maybe they should have a term limit -- make them expire every 3 years, and then they have to compete for seats with everyone else again.
[/quote]
The way I see it, if you've made it to every game for 10 years, no reason you shouldnt get ticket for another 10, and another 10 after that, and so on.
[quote CKinsland]I checked my location on the list 2 years ago and I was at 125. This year I was at 123.
CK[/quote]
I've been told I haven't moved on the list for 3 years (and I was behind you). I clearly need to increase my CHA contribution this year. B-]
Of course, trying to get a straight answer out of the Ticket Office on questions regarding the waiting list isn't as easy as it would seem it should be.
Peter, if I lived in/near Ithaca, or even in CT, I'd be finding tickets to Lynah all the time, but I won't be living anywhere near enough to Ithaca to make it to Lynah regularly while I'm in the Navy (hence the reference to a dozen-ish years). Sadly.
Just wondering... how many lifetime season tickets are there anyway?
As a current student, can I sign up for the waiting list now so as to be further up on the list when I graduate?
[quote las224]As a current student, can I sign up for the waiting list now so as to be further up on the list when I graduate?[/quote]
The answer to that question may very well be related to the answer to this question: If you call to put your name on the waiting list, are they going to ask you whether or not you're a current student?
Beeeej
Very interested to hear the answer on this one...
[quote Beeeej][quote las224]As a current student, can I sign up for the waiting list now so as to be further up on the list when I graduate?[/quote]
The answer to that question may very well be related to the answer to this question: If you call to put your name on the waiting list, are they going to ask you whether or not you're a current student?
Beeeej[/quote]Why should it matter? Why shouldn't a student be able to apply for tickets using policies that apply to the general public? I understand why the opposite would be restricted (student tickets only go to students) but students are members of the general public.
For that matter, if they ask what's to stop you from lying? It'll almost certainly be true by the time your name actually comes up and it's not like you're signing a legal document to get on the list (I assume).
[quote Liz '05]Peter, if I lived in/near Ithaca, or even in CT, I'd be finding tickets to Lynah all the time, but I won't be living anywhere near enough to Ithaca to make it to Lynah regularly while I'm in the Navy (hence the reference to a dozen-ish years). Sadly.[/quote]
Ah, I thought it was the list that was the issue. It's the distance...and that you're likely to be pretty darned busy elsewhere. At least you can assume - with the possible exception of the Harvard game - that when you can get back, there are likely to be tickets available game by game.
Ok, here's an update. Apparently, I struck a nerve, because I've been innundated with backchannel emails and conversation, opinions, etc since starting this thread. 2 quick points to save replying with essentially the same answer to dozens of posters:
1) For now, any petition that I'd start is on hold. I have heard from multiple sources that those of us who would be willing to retain our seats under the conditions outlined in my post above have nothing to worry about.
2) Yes, I do recognize the desirability of a solid wall of standing fans stretching across one side of the building, for the excellent reason that I've seen it. I think it'd be great to bring it back. *Many* of us do. We just don't want to get screwed out of our seats for no reason.
It doesn't matter. Students or whatever can put their names on the list. You just need contact information (and keep it updated, since, as has become clear, it may be sometime between signing up and getting called).
I put my name on the list for the tickets I now have while I was a still a graduate student. Luckily, this was in the first year of the current coaching era and I got tickets for the first season that I was no longer eligible for student tickets.
Funny, I talked to the ticket office again, and the person on the phone said I might get tickets in 4 years (seems unlikely with the rate of ticket movement, but hey, nice that he was optimistic for me).
CK
[quote CKinsland]Funny, I talked to the ticket office again, and the person on the phone said I might get tickets in 4 years (seems unlikely with the rate of ticket movement, but hey, nice that he was optimistic for me).[/quote]It may be that they expect the expansion to take a significant bite out of the waiting list. If so, four more years may be reasonable. Hard to judge since we don't really have much hard data on the length of the list and the rate of change.
(Of course, it's also entirely possible that they're full of s---.)
As noted on other threads, I will tie this one off by noting that I have received the assurance of the Cornell Athletic Ticket Office that those who currently have season tickets in Section C will stay in C, and those who have season tickets for seats which have been removed for the new vomitorium will get replacement seats in the old press rows in section C.