....SUCKS
After pasting us on Saturday and all of this talk of their 5 straight ECAC final and NCAA tourney appearances I realize that there may be some confusion. I just wanted to clarify things.
Another quick exit for the Can't-advs in the NCAAs.
All doubt has now been removed.
Hey that's a good sign for next year: Harvard Can't-advs: One and Done since 2001 (I don't know if it is the right year but it rhymes)
(how sad is it when you bump your own thread):)
I can't be the only one pissed at HU tankin' in the NCAAs. I was definitely one of the people who found it hard to root for them this year after last week, but I had to admit that they looked like a buzzsaw at Albany. I thought they might actually have some NCAA success this year... but of course, I was just being foolish. They suck ass.
[quote Roy 82]
Hey that's a good sign for next year: Harvard Can't-advs: One and Done since 2001 (I don't know if it is the right year but it rhymes)[/quote]
2002 was when it started - after they beat us in LP. But I guess "since 2001" is fairly fair, cause it does apply to that time frame, only they had a year in there without an appearance.
Haha, "Can't-advs." Awesome.
tired of the "fat Mike" remarks by the few H fans on uscho.
Tubby Teddy is STILL One and Done Donato
(and he's bald.)
[quote LowellFrank]I can't be the only one pissed at HU tankin' in the NCAAs. I was definitely one of the people who found it hard to root for them this year after last week, but I had to admit that they looked like a buzzsaw at Albany. I thought they might actually have some NCAA success this year... but of course, I was just being foolish. They suck ass.[/quote]
Pissed? No.
Disappointed that they were embarrassed and didn't at least make a game of it? Yes.
[quote Tubby Teddy]tired of the "fat Mike" remarks by the few H fans on uscho.
Tubby Teddy is STILL One and Done Donato
(and he's bald.)[/quote]
Maybe bothman can tell us again how well Harvard's tough out-of-conference schedule prepares them for the NCAAs.::rolleyes::
Al, be careful, Jordan 04 might question why anyone would be thinking about bothman after a big Big Red win. ::rolleyes::
He can also tell us how Schafer should be canned because we can not play with fast-skating western teams and how much better of a coach Donato because of his more modern, up-tempo style and NHL and international experience.
one and done again for hahvahd, such a shame ::worry::
Of the four possible outcomes (Cornell win/loss, Harvard win/loss), a Cornell win / Harvard loss is second only to a Cornell win and a Harvard win now followed by an H loss in a round where we're still playing, such as tomorrow or the Frozen Four.
Last week's loss hurts a lot less. Today it feels as if last week was an anomaly, not a fatal flaw in Cornell's plans.
[quote billhoward]Last week's loss hurts a lot less. Today it feels as if last week was an anomaly, not a fatal flaw in Cornell's plans.[/quote]
I don't think is was either. It was emblematic of this year's team, which could take two staight from #1 Colgate when it mattered most while getting SHUT OUT by both Princeton (costing us Ivy AND ECAC titles) and RPI.
As a player, losing's never fun, but it's more palatable being beaten by a better team rather than by your own errors. Maine's win tends to reinforce the latter.
More selfishly, had we beaten H, I might have been able to go to the games, assuming we would have been seeded in either Albany or Ma. ;-)
They may suck, but they did beat us at Lynah & in the ECAC finals :-(
I'd much rather beat them at Bright for the Ivy title, finish fourth in the RS, crush them for the ECAC title, and go 0-1 in the NCAAs than lose the Ivy title, finish third in the RS, lose to them badly in Albany, and go 1-1 in the NCAAs - even if the loss was epic.
Who here would rather have our season than theirs?? I'm just talking statistically, in terms of finishes, titles, records, etc. Anyone??? ::screwy::
In a heart beat
The blow goats every year they get to the NCAAs. I'm tired of watching them. With those clowns always choking and teams like UNO coming in and making a mockery of D1 hockey by getting fisted by an incredibly overrated BU team, I think we should just go back to the old format of 12 teams. Unfortunately Holy Cross doesn't help that argument.
[quote JohnnieAg'99]They may suck, but they did beat us at Lynah & in the ECAC finals :-(
I'd much rather beat them at Bright for the Ivy title, finish fourth in the RS, crush them for the ECAC title, and go 0-1 in the NCAAs than lose the Ivy title, finish third in the RS, lose to them badly in Albany, and go 1-1 in the NCAAs - even if the loss was epic.
Who here would rather have our season than theirs?? I'm just talking statistically, in terms of finishes, titles, records, etc. Anyone??? ::screwy::[/quote]Never, after this weekend we have something to be proud of as we go to watch the NCAA's. Sure Harvard will be able to point to the ECAC's, but we can just look at what we did here. a bounce here or there and we skate for 2 more weeks. I'll take that any year.
I'd take going farther into the NCAA's over the ECAC tourney. That could be just me, though.
And I'd definitely rather lose in a great game like we did, than get blown out 6-1
[quote Townie]
More selfishly, had we beaten H, I might have been able to go to the games, assuming we would have been seeded in either Albany or Ma. ;-)[/quote]
You know, though it was a big deal before the brackets, I could really care less about where we went or who we faced now. We faced two WCHA teams out West, and were still a goal away from the FF; we proved what we needed to.
[quote JohnnieAg'99]They may suck, but they did beat us at Lynah & in the ECAC finals :-(
I'd much rather beat them at Bright for the Ivy title, finish fourth in the RS, crush them for the ECAC title, and go 0-1 in the NCAAs than lose the Ivy title, finish third in the RS, lose to them badly in Albany, and go 1-1 in the NCAAs - even if the loss was epic.
Who here would rather have our season than theirs?? I'm just talking statistically, in terms of finishes, titles, records, etc. Anyone??? ::screwy::[/quote]
I would. 20 years ago an ECAC championship meant more than it does today. I like winning the ECACs, but in 2006 I care more about success in the NCAAs and the respect it brings nationally, as Schafer recruits all across the country, and I interact with more alums from other conferences schools.
Unquestionably I'd take our season. We didn't choke on national television during the NCAAs, and we showed that we can skate with the best of teams in the country. Harvard, on the other hand, lost to No. 12 maine, only a week after looking invincible, and 2 weeks after having to play three games to make it to Albany. We were inconsistent, but so were they. We didn't embarrass our conference, they did.
[quote French Rage][quote Townie]
More selfishly, had we beaten H, I might have been able to go to the games, assuming we would have been seeded in either Albany or Ma. ;-)[/quote]
You know, though it was a big deal before the brackets, I could really care less about where we went or who we faced now. We faced two WCHA teams out West, and were still a goal away from the FF; we proved what we needed to.[/quote]
I don't think there will be very many WCHA fans that don't respect us after this weekend.
Another way of saying the same thing: Harvard made their ECAC tourney win look like a fluke; We made our loss seem like a fluke and redeemed ourselves against the nation's top-ranked team. I think many of us seem to be in agreement that, even though we lost this last game, we ended our season on probably our best note. That's the taste that's going to linger (mmm mixed metaphors), and it's the prouder way to come home.
[quote Steve M][quote French Rage][quote Townie]
More selfishly, had we beaten H, I might have been able to go to the games, assuming we would have been seeded in either Albany or Ma. ;-)[/quote]
You know, though it was a big deal before the brackets, I could really care less about where we went or who we faced now. We faced two WCHA teams out West, and were still a goal away from the FF; we proved what we needed to.[/quote]
I don't think there will be very many WCHA fans that don't respect us after this weekend.[/quote]
Except for the usual inbreds that show up every March on USCHO and disappear shortly thereafter.
I'd say this season H got the better of our head-to-head conflicts, but we performed better than they on other stages. I mean, when your archrival beats you in your last home game to take the Ivy League title away from you, then does it again the next week for the ECAC(HL) title, it hurts. :-/ But we had a better ending. H's loss in the NCAAs isn't so embarrassing by itself; it's the fact that they do it every damn year. :-(
I'd rather have our season plus the Ivy, RS, and ECAC titles. But maybe that's just me. ;-)
Right now it seems like we had a better season and result than Harvard. But when all is said and done they won something (two titles) and we didn't win anything. Yes, I'm proud that we won a game in the tournament and were oh so close to another. But we didn't win anythign. :-/
[quote KeithK]But we didn't win anythign. :-/[/quote]
How about respect... on a national scale. Personally I think that's what the program needs most right now, and probably what I want most. They won a ton of that this weekend.
I finally noticed that Harvard's five one-and-dones were all against Hockey East temas. Somewhere it was said they should move to Hockey East to get a different first round opponent. :-)
[quote DeltaOne81][quote KeithK]But we didn't win anythign. :-/[/quote]
How about respect... on a national scale. Personally I think that's what the program needs most right now, and probably what I want most. They won a ton of that this weekend.[/quote]
I agree. Go to the USCHO boards and look at what the Western fans think now compared to a week ago. This year showed even a Cornell team having trouble playing at its best throughout the year can still go West and play just as well.
[quote French Rage][quote DeltaOne81][quote KeithK]But we didn't win anythign. :-/[/quote]
How about respect... on a national scale. Personally I think that's what the program needs most right now, and probably what I want most. They won a ton of that this weekend.[/quote]
I agree. Go to the USCHO boards and look at what the Western fans think now compared to a week ago. This year showed even a Cornell team having trouble playing at its best throughout the year can still go West and play just as well.[/quote]Certainly. I'm not trying to downplay what we did accomplish. I'm just saying that I'm disappointed that we didn't win titles in addition to respect. And jealous that Harvard, for all their NCAA suckiness, did.
[quote KeithK]Certainly. I'm not trying to downplay what we did accomplish. I'm just saying that I'm disappointed that we didn't win titles in addition to respect. And jealous that Harvard, for all their NCAA suckiness, did.[/quote]
Fair enough. But I'd still rather have our season. In a heartbeat.
[quote French Rage]I agree. Go to the USCHO boards and look at what the Western fans think now compared to a week ago.[/quote]
Note also how different it is from last year. When we lost to Minnesota, we came off as little cry-babies. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble on the large ice surface!" This year, we were respectful and businesslike and most un-whiney, and the reaction is that this is a team which played its heart out and doesn't make excuses. Ding, ding. That's how respect is won.
[quote KeithK]they won something (two titles) and we didn't win anything.[/quote]
Ned Harkness Cup
Edit: Also Niagara Cup :-D
[quote ebilmes][quote KeithK]they won something (two titles) and we didn't win anything.[/quote]
Ned Harkness Cup[/quote]OK, good point. But a mid-season tournament title is a little less important in my mind.
[quote Trotsky][quote French Rage]I agree. Go to the USCHO boards and look at what the Western fans think now compared to a week ago.[/quote]
Note also how different it is from last year. When we lost to Minnesota, we came off as little cry-babies. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble on the large ice surface!" This year, we were respectful and businesslike and most un-whiney, and the reaction is that this is a team which played its heart out and doesn't make excuses. Ding, ding. That's how respect is won.[/quote]
I agree, but the respect was primarily won by the Cornell players this weekend. Although the Red came a bounce away from beating the Gophers last year, I think most fans not wearing Carnelian tinted glasses would say that we were clearly outskated and dominated in puck possesion most of the game.
This year the Red skated with and defeated Colorado College, one of the fastest skating teams in the fastest league. Wisconsin, unlike Minnesota last year, is the overall #1 seed in the tourney. And even though the Badgers had the majority of the good scoring chances, their edge wasn't nearly as large as the Gophers had last year. We skated very well with Wisconsin as well. I haven't seen a single "Red pylon" comment on USCHO this year.
[quote Steve M]I agree, but the respect was primarily won by the Cornell players this weekend. Although the Red came a bounce away from beating the Gophers last year, I think most fans not wearing Carnelian tinted glasses would say that we were clearly outskated and dominated in puck possesion most of the game.
This year the Red skated with and defeated Colorado College, one of the fastest skating teams in the fastest league. Wisconsin, unlike Minnesota last year, is the overall #1 seed in the tourney. And even though the Badgers had the majority of the good scoring chances, their edge wasn't nearly as large as the Gophers had last year. We skated very well with Wisconsin as well. I haven't seen a single "Red pylon" comment on USCHO this year.[/quote]
There are plenty of negative comments from the usual suspects, but none from people who were actually there. Also, the comments about the Minny ice weren't limited to the fans last year... B-]
[quote KeithK][quote ebilmes][quote KeithK]they won something (two titles) and we didn't win anything.[/quote]
Ned Harkness Cup[/quote]OK, good point. But a mid-season tournament title is a little less important in my mind.[/quote]Yeah, but so is an Ivy title. In fact when I first read your post I had to think what was their second title. Who cares! The buzz on the internet shows what impact our NCAA games had. I agree that our sights are set higher now. It reminds me of the statement, attributed to Coach Harkness when he found out that Princeton told Dryden, while recruiting him, they were working for an Ivy and ?ECAC title. He told him he was going for an NCAA title. Our goals are higher now.:-)
http://www.bangornews.com/news/templates/?a=131198&z=225%20class= ::laugh::
[quote Jim Hyla]Yeah, but so is an Ivy title. In fact when I first read your post I had to think what was their second title. Who cares! The buzz on the internet shows what impact our NCAA games had. I agree that our sights are set higher now. It reminds me of the statement, attributed to Coach Harkness when he found out that Princeton told Dryden, while recruiting him, they were working for an Ivy and ?ECAC title. He told him he was going for an NCAA title. Our goals are higher now.:-)[/quote]Again, agreed that the Ivy title doesn't mean much. More than an in-season tournament title in my mind, but still not too much.
I'll say this once at the risk of being banned from this forum. Having not won anything leading up to the tournament, we really hadn't earned the right to play for the national championship in my mind. That doesn't reduce the emotional impact of Sunday's game - anyone who saw my expression after Skille's goal or me kicking my car repeatedly a few minutes later knows how I feel. I hope that when we do finally win the big one that we have raised the smaller banners first.
Feel free to flame away. But I have stated here many times that I think you should have to have won something - league championship - to play for the national title. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours.
[quote KeithK]I hope that when we do finally win the big one that we have raised the smaller banners first.
Feel free to flame away. But I have stated here many times that I think you should have to have won something - league championship - to play for the national title. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours.[/quote]
But that wouldn't stop you from celebrating it if it happens the other way. :)
The way Cornell played on Sunday was almost good enough to get them a national championship: if they had been able to beat Wisconsin and continued to play like that for another two games, I strongly suspect we would have been raising a third banner at the reopening of Lynah. Big "if"'s, and a few could-a/would-a's: we'll never know. But I would have been dancing in the street in that alternate universe... and so would you. ::banana::
Kyle
[quote KeithK]Having not won anything leading up to the tournament, we really hadn't earned the right to play for the national championship in my mind.[/quote]
Neither have Wisconsin or BC or Maine.
[quote nyc94][quote KeithK]Having not won anything leading up to the tournament, we really hadn't earned the right to play for the national championship in my mind.[/quote]
Neither have Wisconsin or BC or Maine.[/quote]Yep.
I'd be perfectly happy winning ECAC titles in even years and NCAA titles in odd years. The big banner is it's own validation.
[quote Trotsky]I'd be perfectly happy winning ECAC titles in even years and NCAA titles in odd years. The big banner is it's own validation.[/quote]
Agreed.
Kyle