From collegehockeynews.com:
Midwest (Green Bay)
1. Wisconsin vs. 16. Bemidji St.
8. Cornell vs. 10. CC
West (Grand Forks)
2. Minnesota vs. 15. Holy Cross
7. North Dakota vs. 9. Michigan
Northeast (Worcester)
3. BU vs. 14. Neb.-Omaha
6. Miami vs. 11. Boston College
East (Albany)
4. Michigan State vs. 13. UNH
5. Harvard vs. 12. Maine
wow, it is on at 11am this year? wont be able to watch it and we didnt set the tivo, damn! ::help::
[quote jy3]wow, it is on at 11am this year? wont be able to watch it and we didnt set the tivo, damn! ::help::[/quote]Use your computer. At least with the Mac, and the nice Formac that Age recommended, even when I'm away, as long as I can get to a computer, I can program the home computer to record. But of course I don't mind leaving my Mac connected even when I'm away.
yeah jim, thanks. unfortunately i dont have that set up either. thanks though
Do you mean that you can program your home computer to record video from your cable system? I don't understand what it is that you can record.
Is there a chance that we could stay in Albany? From a revenue point of view it would makes sense. They know Cornell has a large traveling contingent when they are in the East and they probably noticed that this weekend with the ECAC tournament. Might they just give us a lower seed just to keep us in Albany? After all it is all about money!
When it comes to revenue and the NCAA hockey selections, there seems to be some kind of screw Cornell mentality, that never takes ticket sales into account. ::screwy::
[quote Brian]Is there a chance that we could stay in Albany? [/quote]
It appears that the only way Cornell can stay east is at Worcester, not Albany.
[quote marty]When it comes to revenue and the NCAA hockey selections, there seems to be some kind of screw Cornell mentality, that never takes ticket sales into account. ::screwy::[/quote]
Something about good-of-the-game (read: money-paying fans in seats) is within the selection committee's. But it's lower on the totem pole. The highest seeds stay home (although in 2003 that meant Providence - hah!). And you try to avoid first round matchups of league teams. Plus a host school that makes the tourney must stay in its home region (Minnesota last year). Cornell did not cover itself in glory hosting the 2004 NCAA lax regionals, so even if Cornell did offer to host, you have to wonder how willing the NCAA wouuld be.
Here we go!!!
LGR!
interesting. . .
We're in Green Bay. Oh well...
And we're going to Green Bay
Wisconsin v. BSU
Cornell v. Colorado college in Green Bay.
Not a good match up. :-(
CC is # 9 in the country in scoring ::twitch::
screwed again
[quote bigred06]screwed again[/quote]
how do you figure?
After last night, I didn't expect any better. No cause to complain.
Let's Go Red!
[quote bigred06]screwed again[/quote]
explain please...::rolleyes::
In Grand Forks
Minn v. HC
ND v. Michigan.
How come BC stays East???
Oh well. Hope to see some people at Sports Depot next weekend. :P
Kyle
Missed open nets, stupid penalties, unimaginative power play. We're lucky we're in it. Regrettably, i agree with the Sucks fans - we're overrated.
And we have been all year.:-(
Go Maine.
[quote TimV]Missed open nets, stupid penalties, unimaginative power play. We're lucky we're in it. Regrettably, i agree with the Sucks fans - we're overrated.
And we have been all year.:-([/quote]Agreed. *Sigh*
Still, I think this is (a) a damn good team and (b) certainly one of the top 16 teams in the country. We deserve to be in the NCAAs.
possible bc-bu matchup for a trip to the frozen four...how many times are they going to play each other this year?!
Oy -- CC is damn good. The hockey analyst on the selection show didn't even MENTION our name when talking about our bracket.
I guess we need to prove him wrong...but the only way we CAN win is for McKee to have a phenominal game and to actually score a goal on the power play for once. That really disappointed me last night.
EDIT: Does anyone know the rink size in Wisconsin? I remember last year at Minnesota we got in trouble because that was a much bigger rink.
Albany
MSU v. UNH
Harvard v. Maine
Worcester
BU v. Neb-Omaha
Miami v. BC
setting up BU v. BC for a possible 6th time! ::screwy::
Well, at least we won't get an all-WCHA frozen four!!!
[quote Trustnduzt]EDIT: Does anyone know the rink size in Wisconsin? I remember last year at Minnesota we got in trouble because that was a much bigger rink.[/quote]
Standard rink.
We controlled our own destiny and couldnt get it done last night. I definitely liked Moy's predictions last night better (with us in Worcester). I want to emphasize that I MUCH prefer the relatively clear selection and seeding process (what was the bonus this year?) to a lot of backroom stuff, but in the interest of hockey and not just the Worcester gate... who really wants to see BC/BU play for the 6th time this year instead of getting some teams from out west. Well at least this way the Frozen 4 will have 1 team from the east coast and probably MSU (which counts as East I guess when the WCHA losers start complaining ;-))
[quote Trustnduzt]Oy -- CC is damn good. The hockey analyst on the selection show didn't even MENTION our name when talking about our bracket.[/quote]
The term "analyst" is a real stretch for him... he was obviously reading his crib and that wasnt giving him much. The only thing he apparantly had written down for the BIG RED was, "has trouble scoring goals", and in talking about Harvard he didnt seem to feel it warranted mentioning the actualy scores they put up over the weekend, which I would consider a logical continuation. I hope he isnt doing any games next week.
2nd straight year that CC gets some sort of favorable manipulation to stay west somewhere while Cornell gets nothing. The committee decided it was better to accomodate the 10th seeded CC than the 6th and 8th seeded Miami and Cornell.
I'm looking forward to the chance to knock two WCHA teams out of the tournament :)
http://ev9.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventInfo?ticketCode=GS%3APMI%3APMI05%3AD1HOCKEY%3A&linkID=pmi&shopperContext=&caller=&appCode=
That's the direct link to the Resch Center order page for this event. I bought tix about 10 minutes ago and they were already heading for the nether regions of the rink (last row corner upper deck). You might want to do this if you don't feel comfortable waiting for the Cornell alottment to go on sale Monday.
Not letting buy 1 ticket. YIKES.
[quote Trustnduzt]I guess we need to prove him wrong...but the only way we CAN win is for McKee to have a phenominal game and to actually score a goal on the power play for once. That really disappointed me last night.[/quote]
McKee actually scoring a goal on the power play would be pretty awesome. :-D
ESPN2 just showed a graphic implying that CU/CC would be live on ESPNU at 11:30... presumably PM. Yikes. I can't imagine that's right. It also said the Wisco game would be tape delayed to 1:30 AM. Perhaps that means they are tape delaying CU/CC too and screwed up the graphic.
Who wants to get on the phone to our friends at Altitude? Given that it's CC in the game, they're likely to pick it up is ESPN is syndicating it as usual.
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Trustnduzt]EDIT: Does anyone know the rink size in Wisconsin? I remember last year at Minnesota we got in trouble because that was a much bigger rink.[/quote]
Standard rink.[/quote]
What lines does the USHL use? NHL/AHL or college?
[quote Section A Banshee][quote Trustnduzt]I guess we need to prove him wrong...but the only way we CAN win is for McKee to have a phenominal game and to actually score a goal on the power play for once. That really disappointed me last night.[/quote]
McKee actually scoring a goal on the power play would be pretty awesome. :-D[/quote]
Brilliant! I needed a laugh today. Thanks ;-)
Based upon ESPN's "expert," we have no shot at winning this game. Perhaps the team shouldn't even make the trip out there.
Their times were very wrong. Cornell plays 5:30 ET (4:30 local) on Saturday afternoon.
[quote dbilmes]Based upon ESPN's "expert," we have no shot at winning this game. Perhaps the team shouldn't even make the trip out there.[/quote]
Consider it a victory that Bob "chowdah head" Norton didn't name drop a bunch of Boston prep schools in explaining why BU is a lock for the F4.
Those were the times the show was going to be on ESPNU. Most of them are going to be tape delayed anyway.
INCH has the Cornell game being aired on tape delay BEFORE IT STARTS. http://insidecollegehockey.com/1Schedules/schedules_tv.htm
I predicted we could get sent out west, but for crying out loud:`(
why do we get shafted and no Hockey East squad has to travel??? Maine, UNH, BC and BU all stay east. And furthermore they put the two best HE teams in the same bracket.
Maybe Cleary is kissing some a$$ so that we get sent out of town.
[quote Tub(a)]http://ev9.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventInfo?ticketCode=GS%3APMI%3APMI05%3AD1HOCKEY%3A&linkID=pmi&shopperContext=&caller=&appCode=
That's the direct link to the Resch Center order page for this event. I bought tix about 10 minutes ago and they were already heading for the nether regions of the rink (last row corner upper deck). You might want to do this if you don't feel comfortable waiting for the Cornell alottment to go on sale Monday.[/quote]
I realized that I really can't spend my monday morning on hold with Cornell ticket office. I'm officially in the MEZZ 225 row Z seat 9 and hoping I can sit in the Cornell section.
Tub(a), where are your seats?
Maybe this should be moved to the regional thread.
[quote schoaff][quote Section A Banshee][quote Trustnduzt]I guess we need to prove him wrong...but the only way we CAN win is for McKee to have a phenominal game and to actually score a goal on the power play for once. That really disappointed me last night.[/quote]
McKee actually scoring a goal on the power play would be pretty awesome. :-D[/quote]
Brilliant! I needed a laugh today. Thanks ;-)[/quote]
Oh semantics...language skills go out the door on spring break.
Altitude's schedule currently shows "Avalanche Alert" Saturday at 5:30pm EST followed by the Northeast Regional final at 6. Perhaps that might change now that seedings have been announced.
And ESPN's coverage of the tournament shows "ESPN synd" for the 5:30 game on saturday, but it calls it a west regional semi, not a midwest.
Might take some time for all the networks to sort things out...
[quote marty]I predicted we could get sent out west, but for crying out loud:`(
why do we get shafted and no Hockey East squad has to travel??? Maine, UNH, BC and BU all stay east. And furthermore they put the two best HE teams in the same bracket.
Maybe Cleary is kissing some a$$ so that we get sent out of town.[/quote]
Actually, the committee came up with exactly the bracket I doodled down last evening. They went with 1-16, etc. from a 3/2/1 bonus using RPI as the tie-breaker. The exception was having to swap out CC from playing UND in the first round.
You have to figure that since Maine and UNH travel pretty well, and Worcester will do OK with BU and BC, there was no attendance reason for them to put us east. That way they can preserve "bracket integrity."
[quote Tub(a)]2nd straight year that CC gets some sort of favorable manipulation to stay west somewhere while Cornell gets nothing. The committee decided it was better to accomodate the 10th seeded CC than the 6th and 8th seeded Miami and Cornell.
[/quote]
Not sure what accomodation you expect. They seeded 1-8 straight-up by the numbers. They couldn't pair 10 with 7 in the first round because they're in the same conference. Presumably preserving the bracket is more important at the top, so the most natural thing to do is swap 10 with 9 or 11. Adam and I predicted 10<->11, but 9<->10 keeps BC in Worcester and boosts attendance. And they no longer bother trying to prevent second-round matchups. No conspiracy here. We were #8 in the country, and ended up where we expected.
[quote jtwcornell91][quote Tub(a)]2nd straight year that CC gets some sort of favorable manipulation to stay west somewhere while Cornell gets nothing. The committee decided it was better to accomodate the 10th seeded CC than the 6th and 8th seeded Miami and Cornell.
[/quote]
They couldn't pair 10 with 7 in the first round because they're in the same conference.[/quote]
Yeah, I initially didn't notice this. It makes more sense now.
[quote Chris '03][quote dbilmes]Based upon ESPN's "expert," we have no shot at winning this game. Perhaps the team shouldn't even make the trip out there.[/quote]
Consider it a victory that Bob "chowdah head" Norton didn't name drop a bunch of Boston prep schools in explaining why BU is a lock for the F4.[/quote]
BN would be a good reason to defer getting HDTV. This guy's almost senior enough for Sixty Minutes.
Was it Norton, or another voice, who loved to roll off the names of every Western Canada junior team and their coaches and arenas? Must be a thrill if you're a follower of the Chilliwack Chiefs. They did give us Shane Palahicky.
Seems like Miami gets the "screwed team of the year award." They'll have to defeat two Boston teams in Worcester to get to the F4.
Indeed JTWhalen was right again. (next time we're in the NCAAs, predict we go east, and maybe the powers that be will continue to listen :-) j/k). yes, we controlled our own destiny and didn't get it done.
all Hockey East teams stay east........hmmmph.
perhaps I need to move back to the midwest and then Cornell will come east again
That whole "will Miami get a #1" was the stupidest BS on that show. Pissed me off. We all knew they wouldn't, we all knew exactly where they would. 99% of the audience watching that show knew it was entirely silly. Exactly who do they think they're kidding?
[quote DeltaOne81]That whole "will Miami get a #1" was the stupidest BS on that show. Pissed me off. We all knew they wouldn't, we all knew exactly where they would. 99% of the audience watching that show knew it was entirely silly. Exactly who do they think they're kidding?[/quote]
It was the same way they positioned that "defending champion Denver, waiting in the wings to see if they will be invited to this year's tournament to defend their title."
We knew days ago that Denver was done. Do they think casual fans watch this stuff at 11:00 in the morning on a Sunday? It's like, "Oh, I am bored with Meet the Press. Maybe I'll switch over to ESPN2 and pay attention to college hockey for the first time in my life."
I'm sure the entire campus at Denver was up early, hoping and praying that they'd be invited. No knock on Denver in this, just the lackeys on ESPN2 who act like we are all morons.
[quote Chris '03][quote dbilmes]Based upon ESPN's "expert," we have no shot at winning this game. Perhaps the team shouldn't even make the trip out there.[/quote]
Consider it a victory that Bob "chowdah head" Norton didn't name drop a bunch of Boston prep schools in explaining why BU is a lock for the F4.[/quote]
Totally agree! Bob Norton favored sucks in the ECAC tournament a few years ago when we ended up winning the title and going to the frozen four. He had nothing good to say about Cornell and new nothing about Cornell hockey. Why didn't they have Adam on this year???? Bob, I wish upon you lots and lots of porn spam!
[quote bigred06]screwed again[/quote]
We were screwed last year by the complete lack of subjectivity in the PWR system that places no more importance on a conference championship result than a consolation game, and the mindless insistence of the committee on matching 1-8, 2-7, 3-6,& 4-5 in the second round. This year, however, we got exactly what we deserved after a relatively mediocre season and a blow out loss in the ECAC championship. In fact if you consider KRACH a better system than PWR, we're fortunate to be invited NCAAs at all this year.
[quote Brian][quote Chris '03][quote dbilmes]Based upon ESPN's "expert," we have no shot at winning this game. Perhaps the team shouldn't even make the trip out there.[/quote]
Consider it a victory that Bob "chowdah head" Norton didn't name drop a bunch of Boston prep schools in explaining why BU is a lock for the F4.[/quote]
Totally agree! Bob Norton favored sucks in the ECAC tournament a few years ago when we ended up winning the title and going to the frozen four. He had nothing good to say about Cornell and new nothing about Cornell hockey. Why didn't they have Adam on this year???? Bob, I wish upon you lots and lots of porn spam![/quote]
You don't even know what you are talking about. Bob Norton had nothing but good things to say about Cornell a few years back. He wouldn't shut up about Sam Paolini and his dad. He is an old school college hockey guy -- loves the ECAC, loves the Ivies, loves the history of these teams, etc.
[quote Facetimer]
You don't even know what you are talking about. Bob Norton had nothing but good things to say about Cornell a few years back. He wouldn't shut up about Sam Paolini and his dad. He is an old school college hockey guy -- loves the ECAC, loves the Ivies, loves the history of these teams, etc.[/quote]
Well, this year he didn't have anything to say about Cornell, good or bad. Although, his assumption that it would be CC vs. Wisco in the regional final could certainly be viewed as anti-Cornell.
Well considering that most other nc$$ tourny's are based on smoke filled rooms, they were probably trying to go for the same mystique. I think we should all realize there are few fans as hard-core as we are and may not realize what the pair wise ranking is on any given day (or even what the pwr is). Then it makes sense that tv people would try to go for the same thing.
[quote ebilmes][quote Facetimer]
You don't even know what you are talking about. Bob Norton had nothing but good things to say about Cornell a few years back. He wouldn't shut up about Sam Paolini and his dad. He is an old school college hockey guy -- loves the ECAC, loves the Ivies, loves the history of these teams, etc.[/quote]
Well, this year he didn't have anything to say about Cornell, good or bad. Although, his assumption that it would be CC vs. Wisco in the regional final could certainly be viewed as anti-Cornell.[/quote]
BN had 15 seconds to say who he thought would be the top seed's biggest impediment to advancing. He said CC. Anyone disagre? The morning after a team gives up 5 PPGs and has to yank its Hobey Finalist Fallen on Hard Times goalie ... one could see how the prognosticator could be looking to CC. He wasn't asked for 15 seconds of pros and cons on three other teams in the regional.
Beating CC isn't out of the realm of possibility.
[quote nr53]Well considering that most other nc$$ tourny's are based on smoke filled rooms, they were probably trying to go for the same mystique. I think we should all realize there are few fans as hard-core as we are and may not realize what the pair wise ranking is on any given day (or even what the pwr is). Then it makes sense that tv people would try to go for the same thing.[/quote]
Yeah, but what do you think the ratio is of "casual" watchers watching an 11 am NCAA hockey selection show, versus us serious fans? Do you really think its worth looking stupid in front of 99% of your viewing audience, for... what exactly?
it does give us a lot to talk about... ::screwy::
Could be worse. I had to wake up at 8 am to watch it. And then after, I thought to myself, "Why did I wake up to watch it?" I can get better, more coherent, more accurate analysis any number of places at a time of my choosing. ESPN probably knows this. So, why do we watch it. Just because it's Cornell hockey on TV. Bob Norton could come out speaking in toungues and we'd still watch. So, complaining about the details seems silly. We got what we wanted. The Cornell logo on TV, and fleeting footage of some Cornell hockey.
[quote CrazyLarry]fleeting footage of Cornell hockey.[/quote]
...giving up six goals to Sucks... ::uhoh::
But, yes, any time Cornell hockey gets airtime is a good excuse to watch.
Re: Bob Norton ... no need to slag the guy. He's a great guy, he knows hockey. If he irritates you, that's your prerogative. Lord knows I irritate plenty of people :) ... But there is no chance in the world that Bob Norton or 99.99999 percent of the other commentators go out of their way to knock one team at the expense of another. Everyone has their favorites teams and people to root for, of course, but no one I know mindlessly knocks certain programs. Of course, criticism sometimes comes up in the course of honest assessments -- which most fans of those schools only tend to remember as opposed to the 15 other teams you said something positive.
Finally ... BC is in Worcester because it's the 6 vs. 11. No more complicated than that. That's why they "stay East" and Cornell doesn't. If BU is the 3 seed and must be in Worcester, then the 6-11 must be there too. That's the way they do it. They pay very little mind to any other reasons anymore. ... I do agree that it would be better to avoid a second-round matchup between BU-BC, but again, the committee doesn't care about that anymore. However, at least in this case, it's more justifiable, because BC is the lower seed and theoretically should lose in the first round.
figured we would be west. i dont think we got screwed. we controlled our own destiny for staying east and got blown out. No one mentioned that instead of getting #9 michigan we got #10 cc. so technically we got a "lesser" opponent.
hope i watch the game sometime :)
direct tv and their tv scheduling module isnt working for some reason. anyway
http://cornellbigred.collegesports.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/031906aaa.html
story at cornellbigred.com
[quote jy3]
story at cornellbigred.com[/quote]
From the story: "Cornell is set to compete in its fourth NCAA tournament in five years and fifth of head coach Mike Schafer's tenure."
Ummmm...didn't we go in both '96 and '97?
[quote jy3]figured we would be west. i dont think we got screwed. we controlled our own destiny for staying east and got blown out. No one mentioned that instead of getting #9 michigan we got #10 cc. so technically we got a "lesser" opponent.
hope i watch the game sometime :)
direct tv and their tv scheduling module isnt working for some reason. anyway
http://cornellbigred.collegesports.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/031906aaa.html
story at cornellbigred.com[/quote]
Absolutely agree. No way we got screwed this year. We had bad luck, but we didn't get screwed. In the last 4 years we've made the NCAAs 4 times, twice east, twice west. Seems about fair for luck to me.
If BU had been #1, we'd be in Worcester. If we hadn't lost yesterday, we'd be in Albany. If we hadn't lost to RPI, Union, tied RPI, tied Yale, not gotten off the bust at Dartmouth, lost to Harvard at home, etc. This team has had a very up and down year and I can't possibly see how we "deserved" anything more than the random chance that is the NCAA seeding process.
Keep getting into the NCAAs and we'll land east about half the time. That's the way it works.... until they change the way it works.
and if we had beaten the team from east lansing both games we would be a number 1 seed. i just hope i can watch the game saturday. we have a wedding ::help:: to go to
Definitely agree with the last few posts ... Our best team can win on any one night. We haven't brought our best team to every game this year; we had lots of opportunities to impact the ratings.
We do need our team healthy ... A mom-to-(player's)-mom conversation Friday night revealed that sinus, flu and typical upstate NY winter colds were taking their toll on the whole team. She mentioned that her son felt awful whenever his head moved (and he suited up and played Friday).
Back at the motel later that night I heard CNN report that NY was a red state (severe) for flu (sort of like the homeland insecurity color codes).
Our fans are the best ... when the team gets down, we all (need to) help them lift up their spirit - LGR!
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote jy3]
story at cornellbigred.com[/quote]
From the story: "Cornell is set to compete in its fourth NCAA tournament in five years and fifth of head coach Mike Schafer's tenure."
Ummmm...didn't we go in both '96 and '97?[/quote]
Yep. Those were good years. LSSU might have been a frozen four team in '96 (hand pass) and we played them pretty tough. Saw both games in person in '97. We outclassed a good Miami squad (Miami was one of only three teams to beat Michigan in '97) and while we tired out we played North Dakota as tough as anyone in the NCAA's that year (was a one goal game in the third, Knopp almost had a shortie in the third to tie it up) before tiring out. Good times.