Heisenberg site just listed Troy Davenport as a recruit for Cornell (as a junior). With Davenport's addition that means we will have 4 goalies on our roster for 06-07. Does this mean Mckee has made his decision to leave? :-/
McKee has not made his decision. I am pretty sure of this. This move is for insurance purposes. It is not a secret that Cornell was pursuing another goaltender even after Scrivens committed so Davenport committing does not really change what we hvae been thinking for a while. There is no question that his leaving is a possibility if not a probability. However, I view it as impossible that he has made his decision. If McKee stays, the question then is: Does Cornell carry four goalies? I'm not sure they ever have before, but I'm not even sure this would happen even if McKee stayed. I think there are two possibilities. The first is that Scrivens would defer a year. The second is that DiLeo would be cut much like McLeod was after Chris Fontas made his decision to transfer to Cornell. Again, McKee has NOT made his decision and this move does not confirm anything except that he is possibly not returning.
Quite honestly, I'm not sure why McKee would leave. After struggling badly early in the season, he has improved his game, but he still has not reached his level of last year. I think he is a very good goaltender, but to be honest, it is not as if he has forced his way into the NHL or even the AHL. I'm sure there is some interest in him, but I don't think there is a ton. He has been very ordinary this year, not bad, but not amazing, and this is not a secret. For a while, particularly after Thiessen made his comments as well as the fact that Cornell was pursuing another goaltender after Scrivens had committed, I was close to 100% sure McKee not be back. But I no longer think that. Regardless, I really do not think he has made a decision either way.
[quote Omie]Heisenberg site just listed Troy Davenport as a recruit for Cornell (as a junior). With Davenport's addition that means we will have 4 goalies on our roster for 06-07. Does this mean Mckee has made his decision to leave? :-/[/quote]
If that report is a certainty ... then here we go again with the odds for and against McKee's return for a fourth year at Cornell.
- Stays: David and family are fixtures at every game (well, every player is a fixture at every game) and they've become a part of the Cornell community.
- Goes: This is, or was, the year to make the title run. If Pokoluk and/or O'Byrne turn pro, the team may not be so good his senior year.
- Stays: McKee's attractiveness to the pros slipped this year.
- Goes: If he stayed through his senior season, he'd turn 24 in June 2007 and be a pretty old rookie.
- Stays: The McKee family is comfortable so he doesn't need to turn pro to make ends meet.
- Goes: The Mckee family is comfortable so he doesn't need to worry about lack of a degree (for now) hurting his ability to keep a roof over his head.
- Stays: He wants to lead Cornell to an NCAA champsionship.
Davenport was in Arts & Sciences. Suggests he's pretty smart. (No knocks on the other colleges but A&S or Engineering is not the usual hockey player route.) Maybe he wants a degree, too.
Rank speculation based on chatting with Carl McKee for 20 minutes total over a half-dozen games about hockey, not about David:
- If he stays, it's because college is for four years and he and family like Cornell.
- If he goes, he hears the clock ticking and wants to get on with his career.
Despite all the dumping on him and the mediocre stats he's put up this year vs. last ... David still seems like the person you'd want in goal above anyone else who's now playing college hockey.
It's possible at the outset of the season McKee was looking at three-and-see (ya) ... but now with the mixed season, he's back for one more year.
Not that I have any inside information (I don't), but I find it hard to imagine Davenport returning if McKee were staying. As with all things, we will see how this plays out.
[quote calgARI '07]Does Cornell carry four goalies? I'm not sure they ever have before, but I'm not even sure this would happen even if McKee stayed. I think there are two possibilities. The first is that Scrivens would defer a year. The second is that DiLeo would be cut much like McLeod was after Chris Fontas made his decision to transfer to Cornell.[/quote]
OTOH, there's no reason not to carry four goalies, and it makes the Red-White game more even. ;-)
Are we making these assumptions?:
McKee -- if he stays, the prohibitive #1.
Davenport -- solid, only 2 years of eligibility left.
Scrivens -- unknown quantity; not highly recruited, but neither was McKee.
DiLeo -- ballast (sorry, Dan).
[quote Omie]Heisenberg site just listed Troy Davenport as a recruit for Cornell (as a junior).[/quote]
I think, under NCAA rules, that Davenport has three years of eligibility left, not two. The NCAA gives an athlete five years in which to use up four years of eligibility (hence, the practice of red-shirting -- not to mention transfers, who have to take a year off like Todd Marr), and the clock starts ticking when the athlete first matriculates at a college. For Troy, that would have been fall semester of 2004, making him eligible until after the spring semester of 2009.
The Ivy League may view the situation differently. Usually, one has to petition the Ivy League to get an "extra" year of eligibility (as Vinnie Auger did when he missed a season with a back injury).
DiLeo's off Heisenberg's list of Cornell recruits, so this four-goalie issue may be a non-problem:
http://members.aol.com/cheisenber/Recruit06.htm
[quote ninian '72]DiLeo's off Heisenberg's list of Cornell recruits, so this four-goalie issue may be a non-problem:
http://members.aol.com/cheisenber/Recruit06.htm[/quote]
He's already here at Cornell though. Or was he still listed until recently?
[quote Pete Godenschwager][quote ninian '72]DiLeo's off Heisenberg's list of Cornell recruits, so this four-goalie issue may be a non-problem:
http://members.aol.com/cheisenber/Recruit06.htm[/quote]
He's already here at Cornell though. Or was he still listed until recently?[/quote]
No, he wasn't..I think there's just a little confusion about whether he's a recruit or a freshman :) DiLeo is still listed on the roster:
http://cornellbigred.collegesports.com/sports/m-hockey/mtt/corn-m-hockey-mtt.html
McKeown and McLeod disappeared last year around the same time that the incoming class was added..so if we're going to see any defections (pros, DiLeo/Connors leaving, etc) we'll likely notice it then.
- Phil
Connors won't be leaving.
[quote calgARI '07]Connors won't be leaving.[/quote]
Wha happened with this guy? Two years ago I distinctly recall people talking about him as the Next Big Thing. Did he have some sort of horrendous injury?
The best precedent I can think of for a player leaving an Ivy League school to play in the USHL is Harvard's Ethan Philpott. In 1993-94, Philpott played in eight games as a freshman. He left school (mutual decision, I believe) to play for the Des Moines Buccaneers in 1994-95. If I recall correctly, he needed to improve his skating. When he returned in 1995-96, he was listed as a sophomore (I checked the ECAC media guide from that season). In 1996-97, both the ECAC and Harvard media guides listed him as a junior. Philpott did not come back to Harvard in 1997-98 because he signed a contract with the Carolina Hurricanes in the summer of 1997. (That franchise has been owned by Philpott's teammate's father--which explains why a few Harvard players from the mid-90s ended up in the Hurricanes' organization.)
I believe that Philpott would have been eligible under Ivy rules to play for Harvard in 1997-98. Does anyone have any more insight into that situation? Do other people besides Robb suspect that Troy Davenport does not have three years of eligibility at Cornell remaining?
[quote Trotsky][quote calgARI '07]Connors won't be leaving.[/quote]
Wha happened with this guy? Two years ago I distinctly recall people talking about him as the Next Big Thing. Did he have some sort of horrendous injury?[/quote]
It's been mentioned here that Connors suffered a pretty significant injury (knee?) at the beginning of the season last year. Consequently he lost almost a year of development, and perhaps he has needed this year to get up to speed with the rest of his classmates. Anyone who has better info than me, feel free to confirm or correct me.
[quote redhair34]It's been mentioned here that Connors suffered a pretty significant injury (knee?) at the beginning of the season last year.[/quote]
Sorry, I completely missed it.
Anyone able to estimate how good the recruited/prospective goalies are?
I'm a bit new to all this...
DiLeo doesn't seem to be anything to get excited about, but how are Scrivens or Davenport, talentwise?
[quote redhair34][quote Trotsky][quote calgARI '07]Connors won't be leaving.[/quote]
Wha happened with this guy? Two years ago I distinctly recall people talking about him as the Next Big Thing. Did he have some sort of horrendous injury?[/quote]
Anyone who has better info than me, feel free to confirm or correct me.[/quote]
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