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Title: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Jacob 03 on February 21, 2006, 01:04:51 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/books/review/19gessen.html

Keith Gessen wrote an interesting essay in the NYTimes Book Review this Sunday, focusing on a couple hockey books (the one rendering this post obligatory obviously neither American nor a novel).  Apologies in advance for when this inevitably goes registration-only....
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Josh '99 on February 21, 2006, 02:00:05 AM
QuoteWhat accounts for the marginal place of hockey in the world of American professional sports? Might it not, in the end, have something to do with its marginal place in the world of American letters?
Yeah.  That's why people don't watch hockey.  All the sheep who'd rather watch poker on ESPN8 would magically be converted by a wonderfully crafted hockey novel.  ::rolleyes::
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Beeeej on February 21, 2006, 09:27:27 AM
You call them "sheep" as if they've been misled, or even forced, into watching poker instead of hockey.  There's a reason ESPN shows more poker than hockey, and it's because more people want to watch it.  Maybe that'll change after the vast majority of them realize they'll never get rich playing poker themselves, maybe not; but it's not like someone's holding guns to their heads right now.

Beeeej
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Liz '05 on February 21, 2006, 10:47:14 AM
I'd like to hold a gun to my roommate's head to make him STOP watching poker (especially during the Olympics!).  Help?  Anyone?
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: David Harding on February 21, 2006, 10:37:42 PM
[quote Beeeej]You call them "sheep" as if they've been misled, or even forced, into watching poker instead of hockey.  There's a reason ESPN shows more poker than hockey, and it's because more people want to watch it.  Maybe that'll change after the vast majority of them realize they'll never get rich playing poker themselves, maybe not; but it's not like someone's holding guns to their heads right now.

Beeeej[/quote]And that they will get rich playing hockey? ::screwy::
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: David Harding on February 21, 2006, 11:28:19 PM
Speaking of hockey literature, how about children's books about hockey players?  I remember reading a few in my youth, but I don't remember the authors or titles.  There are more now, Matt Christopher having cranked out a shelfful by himself.  I don't think any of the ones I remember were by him, but I could be wrong.

1) An American, playing for Dartmouth, is signed by the NY Rangers.  This is 1950's, maybe even earlier.  He fairly quickly realizes that he really doesn't belong at that level but is just there as a novelty to boost attendance.  

2) High school player moves to a new northern Minnesota town and competes with the established star for friends and glory on the ice.  Memorable finish.  

3) Sequel to #2.  Totally unmemorable.
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Josh '99 on February 22, 2006, 08:36:55 AM
[quote Beeeej]You call them "sheep" as if they've been misled, or even forced, into watching poker instead of hockey. [/quote]I call them "sheep" because they're watching what everybody else is watching.  If the next big thing is street luge, I have no doubt they'll watch that too.
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Beeeej on February 22, 2006, 09:58:48 AM
[quote jmh30][quote Beeeej]You call them "sheep" as if they've been misled, or even forced, into watching poker instead of hockey. [/quote]I call them "sheep" because they're watching what everybody else is watching.  If the next big thing is street luge, I have no doubt they'll watch that too.[/quote]

Amazingly enough, some people actually continue to watch television programming that they enjoy, no matter why they first started watching it.  Perhaps you're the exception - you tried watching a very popular program because you'd heard how good it was, saw that it was, indeed, very good, and then stopped watching because you didn't want to be a "sheep"?  Somehow I doubt it.

Beeeej
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Trotsky on February 22, 2006, 06:48:00 PM
[quote David Harding]Speaking of hockey literature, how about children's books about hockey players?[/quote]

Hobey Baker is mentioned in "This Side of Paradise," which is pretty childish.

Oh, oh, you mean books *for* children... ;-)
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Trotsky on February 22, 2006, 06:51:39 PM
[quote jmh30][quote Beeeej]You call them "sheep" as if they've been misled, or even forced, into watching poker instead of hockey. [/quote]I call them "sheep" because they're watching what everybody else is watching.  If the next big thing is street luge, I have no doubt they'll watch that too.[/quote]

Even as the Forum Shadow Minister in Charge of "The Masses are Asses" Portfolio, I don't think people are watching poker because they're lemmings.

I think they keep expecting it to be strip poker, and that they are constantly, bitterly frustrated.
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Hillel Hoffmann on February 28, 2006, 11:28:06 AM
It's not a novel, but Carrier's The Hockey Sweater is my favorite piece of hockey lit:

http://www.tundrabooks.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780887761690

If you wanna good laugh at an archetypal Quebecois accent, here's the author's over-the-top reading of the story:

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-41-1546-10372/sports/spirit_of_hockey/clip1

And here is a way cool web site exploring related Canadian cultural themes:

http://www.civilization.ca/cpm/catalog/cat2208e.html
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: Trotsky on March 07, 2006, 11:36:48 AM
I recently noticed a book by 90's Colgate goaltender Ken Baker ("They Don't Play Hockey in Heaven," Lyons Press, 2003).  It's about him coming back from a tumor to play in the ECHL.  I leafed through it briefly but didn't pick it up.  Has anyone read it?
Title: Re: "In Search of the Great American Hockey Novel"
Post by: GoBruno on March 12, 2006, 01:44:39 AM
I absolutely devoured it. It's a little sappy at times, but an overall great read.

If you're a fan of minor league hockey and/or memoirs you'll probably like it. And if you're an upstate NY native, some parts will make you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

(Not to nitpick, but the team Baker played for - the Bakersfield Condors - was in the WCHL at the time.)

AJF
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