The old one's just getting unwieldy.
ObOnTopic: Anybody here have a son getting close to college age who can play goalie?
Beeeej
Sorry, no goalie news...but another area kid is going to BC. Ryan Hayes, the leading scorer on the NTDP's U17 team appears as an Eagle commit on Heisenberg's site. Hayes is from Syracuse and played junior hockey for the Stars before heading to Ann Arbor. I don't know if Hayes fit Cornell's academic profile or if Cornell was in the running, but it was rumored he wanted to come east for school. Hayes is a 2007 recruit.
::help:: I love the BCHL pipeline, but please bring in Casey Jones to oversee US recruiting (and prepare for Mike's eventual departure). Is there an Ivy rule against having 3 assistant coaches?
A third assistant coach must be an unpaid volunteer.
Beeeej
I would think at this point Casey is hoping to land a head coaching position, having been the top assistant - excuse me, associate coach - at OSU for a long time now (11 seasons there). While I'm sure he'd love the head job at his Alma Mater, there's no reason to think that Schafer is leaving anytime soon. So i doubt he'd be eager to grab a job in Ithaca, even assuming one were open and Schafer wanted to hire him.
[quote KeithK]I would think at this point Casey is hoping to land a head coaching position, having been the top assistant - excuse me, associate coach - at OSU for a long time now (11 seasons there). While I'm sure he'd love the head job at his Alma Mater, there's no reason to think that Schafer is leaving anytime soon. So i doubt he'd be eager to grab a job in Ithaca, even assuming one were open and Schafer wanted to hire him.[/quote]
Well, once Mike gets called up to the Big Show, I'd be okay with Casey as a head coach with Brent and Scott as assistants with unpaid volunteer Joe "I don't need the money anyway" Nieuwendyk, assuming he eventually decides to stop pretending he's superman and retires. :)
I dunno, if you kept racking up GWG in the Show, would you retire? :-)
Beeeej
But, laxpower is reporting that Ryan Hurley (6'2") has committed to Cornell's lacrosse program. Hurley is the capitan of the Holy Angels' hockey team in Minnesota. Holy Angels is the defending AA State Champions & currently ranked #2 in Minnesota. Hurley's hockey mates include Cameron Cooper and Taylor Matson. Heisenberg has Cooper ranked as the 5th best prospect (2006) in Minnesota/Mid-West and Matson as the 2nd best prospect (2007) in the region.
Sorry, it's a slow day.
Maybe not this year or next, but good article on the Ithaca High School hockey Team goalies. 2 rotate in net alot - one a young lady is a senior and captain of the boys team - headed to play D1 at NH next year, the other is an 8th grader learning and improving...
see: http://www.theithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060112/SPORTS/601120335/1006
I've seen them play a couple of times and Andy Iles looks very quick, smooth, and pretty solid fundamentally. He's very small (listed at 5'5"), but sure acts comfortable in the net. He's going to have to venture from home, however, if he wants to test himself.
I wish Ithaca could get a team in the Empire Junior HL so local kids had an option closer to home, and it might help recruiting for Cornell -- it wouldn't be like USNTDP/Ann Arbor/UMichigan but it couldn't hurt.
It's too bad Lucy isn't heading to Cornell.
[quote ithacat]and prepare for Mike's eventual departure[/quote]
In the words of Little Richard, "shut up!"
[quote Trotsky][quote ithacat]and prepare for Mike's eventual departure[/quote]
In the words of Little Richard, "shut up!"[/quote]
I'm not sure if I should be offended because you told me to shut up or because you used Little Richard to do your dirty work.:-}
Joe Scali returned to the Bulldogs lineup tonight and recorded an assist, after missing the last 10 games nursing a lower body injury. Two other injured teammates also returned and the red-hot Dogs posted their 15th consecutive win, 4-1 over the Burnaby Express. Two more games to go this weekend and by then Joe should have shaken off what little rust he may have acquired. Who knows, by next Tuesday the Bulldogs could be the #1 nationally ranked team in Canadian Jr. A hockey. Quite an ascent for a team enjoying a great season.
Like I said before, Jordan Kremyr & Bradyn Melrose - up for grabs - Cornell you paying attention to these two guys at all?
http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3258092
Justin Milo was traded to the Lincoln Stars, along with a goalie who's bounced around the BCHL and USHL for a while, for Steve Jakiel (who chose Michigan over Cornell). He hasn't performed as well as last year, hopefully the change of scenery will get him back to his goal-scoring ways.
Joe Scali wasted little time getting back into the action this week, scoring another hilite reel goal as the Bulldogs posted their 16th straight win at the expense of Williams Lake. Today (Sunday), Alberni Valley Scali and his team registered their 17th in a row.
A few people said that Princeton had scouts in Alberni Valley over the past weekend.....Kremyr? Melrose?
it could be my imagination.....but it seemed like there was a whole slew of talented players who were considering Cornell and then signed elsewhere. Am i imagining this? I would imagine that this would happen frequently........where a player is attracted to Cornell because of its tradition, but decides against coming because some other school is offering a big scholarship and at Cornell he would have to pay 40k a year. Any thoughts?
I don't think there's a stat for near-misses, but it does seem that Cornell's in the hunt for more highly-regarded (or publicized) recruits. Of course, almost making it to two Frozen Fours in 3 years should help raise the recruiting platform for the school. That window seems to close quickly, however, if a school is unable to take advantage of its opening.
There's so many factors that could be at play...Bachman grows up in Colorado, goes to prep school in the northeast, considers Cornell, Harvard, and CC...decided to go home. It could be that simple. Who knows outside of a select group of insiders. Morin grows up in Auburn, cousin played for BC...where will he end up? Depending on what happens with Chad, what about little brother Jeremy in a couple of years? Factor in academics, majors, facilities, scholarship/financial aid money...recruiting pipelines & contacts (Cornell does very well in the BCHL, while BC does very well in Cornell's backyard)...
Good news, Cornell's involved. Close on a couple and the winters might even get a little warmer. Bad news, spend too much time on kids that go elsewhere and the distance between good and bad disappears in a few years (Syracuse football).
Sorry to ramble...
I don't get the impression that we're missing out on a lot of good kids. It seems to me that we're doing pretty well getting talented recruits. Next year's class looks very solid. When it comes to high level players you're never going to win all of the recruiting battles, or even the majority of them because the competition is intense and Cornell has a few natural disadvantages.
Edit: Incorrect snarky response removed,
he did say almost...
You expect me to have reading comprehension? Sorry...
I think two things are happening:
1) We're getting more info on recruiting as it goes on, and we're paying closer attention to it. Ten years ago, I *never* heard the names of the ones who got away -- you just saw the list of your next freshman class and that was that.
2) Cornell is regularly competing for a higher caliber of player. IMHO, unsubstantiated by any knowledge or even rumor, when a player was considering one of the Usual Suspects, Cornell didn't even used to try. Now, after screening out the obvious academic non-fits, they are. That means the percentage of misses is going to go way up. It also means that any hit among that select group is a guy we wouldn't have seen before, and one who jumps right to the head of the class.
We got a goalie, Ben Scrivens of the Spruce Grove Saints in the AJHL. He was recently selected for the AJHL All-Star game. I wonder if this means that Brad Thiessen already committed to UND, or if we got tired of waiting and had to make a move?
[q]The Spruce Grove Saints announced today that 19 year old goaltender Ben Scrivens has committed to attend Cornell University on a hockey scholarship. Scrivens, in his second season of Junior "A" hockey, will join the Big Red beginning in September of 2006.
Scrivens currently sits 5th in goaltending in the AJHL with a goals against average of 2.20 and a save percentage of 0.928 and is second in wins with 18.
Cornell plays out of Ithaca, New York and is based in the ECACHL.
Saints GM / Head Coach Mark Holick: "The Saints are proud that Ben has achieved his goal of an education through hockey. We are confident he will be very successful in his future and wish him congratulations."[/q]
http://www.ajhl.ca/index.php?news_id=143&start=0&category_id=&parent_id=&arcyear=&arcmonth=
Ben is 2nd in the AJHL in Save % (throwing out one goalie who only played a few games), and 4th in GAA (also tossing out those guys with a few games, otherwise he's 3rd and 6th).
He also played for AJHL North in the Viking Cup (the gold medal team), played 4/7 games, won 3, and had a save percentage of .933
I jusy took a look through the list of AJHL players on Heisenberg's site (http://members.aol.com/cheisenber/Recruit06.htm). It looks recruits coming out of the league are mostly going to the lower tier of schools although Denver and Wisconsin have one apiece. I don't know if this says anything about the quality of the league or if it's simply off the beaten track. Can anyone say with authority how AJHL stacks up against the other junior leagues?
I don't know about the quality of the league today, but the AJHL website lists under "Alumni" these NHL players: Mark Messier, Lanny McDonald and the Sutter brothers.
The league also has a website for NCAA commitments from the previous seasons.
http://www.ajhl.ca/education/ncaa_2006-07.php
I recognized a few names from the past seasons.
[quote cs92@cornell.edu]I recognized a few names from the past seasons.[/quote]
Including frosh D-man Taylor Davenport.
[quote KeithK] Can anyone say with authority how AJHL stacks up against the other junior leagues?[/quote]
I'm no authority (so I'm not going to do your question justice :-P), but I'd rank it below the BCHL and OPJHL as far as its production of top NCAA talent over the past few years. To my knowledge there hasn't been a real stud AJHL product goaltender recently in college hockey (the closest being Glen Fisher at Denver). That doesn't mean Scrivens won't break the mold. He was on the Viking Cup champion AJHL North team. And the fact that his team did well in the Viking Cup may suggest that the 06' AJHL recruit class is particularly strong. But something tells me we're going to have to wait till 2007 for a suitable McKee heir.
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote cs92@cornell.edu]I recognized a few names from the past seasons.[/quote]
Including frosh D-man Taylor Davenport.[/quote]
Also Dan Glover and Kevin McLeod
Don't get me wrong: I love next year's class. I'd love to see a top-shelf goalie to go along with it, but the forwards/centers seem really strong and exciting. Nash looks like a strong prospect as well.
I only meant to say that Cornell seems to be going toe-to-toe with some of the best programs for kids & that's great. Just because they miss on some of them isn't meant to be a slight on the ones they get. It's a valid point that Cornell appears to be winning some of these battles as well. It sounds like Gallagher could have gone anywhere, maybe Romano too. Milo, though struggling a little this year (compared to lofty expectations), seems full of potential. Greeening could be a stud; Scali looks like a grinder; and I can't wait to see Nash. This program is right in there with the best on some of the premier goalie prospects, just coming up short. Maybe DiLeo is the next McKee, I don't know... I just really wanted to see Sauer or Jakiel or Cheverie, but especially Sauer.
Cornell just feels to be a player or two away from breaking through, that's all I'm trying to say. Breaking through to me is winning the National Championship. The potential downside to that is if they keep missing on As & then the Bs are gone one may end up with Cs. Still, this is the evolution of the program. They're successful enough to be wooing the best. Woo on...
We can talk all we want. The coaches know hockey; we're just passing time between weekends. :-)
lgr...lgr...lgr...
[quote pfibiger]Ben is 2nd in the AJHL in Save % (throwing out one goalie who only played a few games), and 4th in GAA (also tossing out those guys with a few games, otherwise he's 3rd and 6th).
He also played for AJHL North in the Viking Cup (the gold medal team), played 4/7 games, won 3, and had a save percentage of .933[/quote]
That's great news. I thought Cornell was focusing on some younger prospects (Ben's an 86er), but so what. He's listed at 6' 2" & 175. Heisenberg has him as the 3rd-rated goalie propsect in the AJHL.
Great find. Really though, do you have a life?
Seriously, I love the info you come up. Thanks worthy of a couple of...::banana:: ::banana::
[quote ithacat]
This program is right in there with the best on some of the premier goalie prospects, just coming up short. Maybe DiLeo is the next McKee, I don't know... I just really wanted to see Sauer or Jakiel or Cheverie, but especially Sauer.
[/quote]
It's so hard to tell how these kids are going to turn out. Sauer has proved himself well, playing as a freshman at UM. Jakiel has been really shaky this year, and got himself traded from Lincoln for Milo. Cheverie had a phenomenal first half and has been really mediocre in the 2nd, dropping way down statistically to the middle of the pack in the BCHL.
We can't know how things will shake out, but if McKee were to leave, I would be pretty surprised if Ben Scrivens weren't the #1 goalie next year. I think that it's probably very difficult to convince kids to come to CU knowing that McKee will get (almost) all the minutes for the next X years. We had the same problem with Lenny, and hopefully we'll have the same problem with our next stud goalie, whether it's Ben Scrivens or an unnamed member of the 2007 recruiting class.
Dany Heatley played in AJHL before going to Wisconsin.
[quote redhair34][quote KeithK] Can anyone say with authority how AJHL stacks up against the other junior leagues?[/quote]
I'm no authority (so I'm not going to do your question justice :-P), but I'd rank it below the BCHL and OPJHL as far as its production of top NCAA talent over the past few years. To my knowledge there hasn't been a real stud AJHL product goaltender recently in college hockey (the closest being Glen Fisher at Denver). That doesn't mean Scrivens won't break the mold. He was on the Viking Cup champion AJHL North team. And the fact that his team did well in the Viking Cup may suggest that the 06' AJHL recruit class is particularly strong. But something tells me we're going to have to wait till 2007 for a suitable McKee heir.[/quote]
FWIW, the recent CJAHL top 10 has 3 teams from both the OPJHL & BCHL, 2 from the SJHL, and one each from the AJHL & CJHL.
Central Scouting's Players to Watch list has 8 kids listed from the OPJHL, 7 from the AJHL, and 5 from the BCHL. Scrivens is not one of the AJHLers.
Ben Scrivens was the #1 star last night, stopping 34 shots on 36 attempts against Sherwood Park.
Colin Greening..BCHL.. 42-20-26-46
Blake Gallagher.SJHL.. 36-21-16-37
Justin Milo.....USHL.. 32-10-11-21
Brendon Nash....BCHL.. 36-06-29-35
Anthony Romano..AtlJHL 34-47-41-88
Joe Scali.......BCHL.. 34-19-15-34
Ben Scrivens....AlbJHL 92.7%SV 2.28GAA
Colin Greening, Joe Scali, and Brendon Nash all played in last night's BCHL All-Star Game. Colin Greening was named Coastal Conference player of the game with 3 goals and 3 assists. I've read nothing about how Scali & Nash played.
Game blurbs about a couple of the CU recruits from the AV paper:
Colin Greening (1987 forward; 6-2; 197 lbs.; St. John's, Nfld.): Despite being a continent away from home, Greening is playing like a veteran in his rookie season in Junior A. A good skater, he's a strong, determined power forward, Bestwick said. "He's very mature, very focused and determined. He plays every shift like it's his last one." Greening is off to Cornell this fall.
Joe Scali (1986 left winger; 6-0; 186 lbs.; Coquitlam): Whether Scali is charging the net or killing penalties, he is rarely outworked by anybody. "He's got tremendous team speed, and plays the game with reckless abandon," Hiller said. "He goes at it 100 per cent, each and every shift." Scali is headed for Cornell.
[q]He's got tremendous team speed[/q]What does this mean? I understand when a team has tremendous team speed because it's, well, a team. But a player?
[quote KeithK][q]He's got tremendous team speed[/q]What does this mean? I understand when a team has tremendous team speed because it's, well, a team. But a player?[/quote]
Beat me to it, Keith. If this were true, overnight we'd be a Minnesota-equivalent. ::nut::
Maybe Minnesota just has a dozen guys with team speed. So they're like twelve times as fast!
[quote KeithK]Maybe Minnesota just has a dozen guys with team speed. So they're like twelve times as fast![/quote]
I wonder if you got enough of them maybe you could escape earth's gravity, or at least break the sound barrier. ::crazy::
[quote KeithK][q]He's got tremendous team speed[/q]What does this mean? I understand when a team has tremendous team speed because it's, well, a team. But a player?[/quote]
I think that it has to do with his skating while towing a couple of big defensemen behind him. Speedy skating is a fast-twitch muscle thing, but having fast "team speed" is more of a slow-twitch muscle trait.
:-P
[Q]
I think that it has to do with his skating while towing a couple of big defensemen behind him
[/Q]
That must be it. I picture the chain of players used to whip the guy at the end really fast, like roller derby.
13-10 in the All-Star game...I think someone here once said the BCHL was a more offensively-oriented league -- they had that right. Makes some of those goalies' stats look even more impressive. All-Star games tend to be more open, but 13-10? Must of been a heck of a game to watch.
Do 3 goals and 3 assists equal a double-hat trick? Or would that be 6 goals...
Anyone know why Blake Gallagher was replaced in the SJHL All-Star game?
Just saw in Heisenberg's site that we got a transfer from U Mass-Lowell. Chris Fontas- LW (will be a junior). Any word on this?
[quote Omie]Just saw in Heisenberg's site that we got a transfer from U Mass-Lowell. Chris Fontas- LW (will be a junior). Any word on this?[/quote]
Fontas is already at Cornell and practicing with the team I believe. He appeared in the Red-White Game and the skills competition this season already. He's even in the 2005-2006 team picture. I'd say his place in the lineup next year is all but certain.
Loved Fontas in the Red-White game. Good size and skates well for a guy his size. No clue why it didn't work out at Lowell but his addition next year will go a long way to neutralizing the losses of all the senior forwards. As outstanding of a recruiting class as they have coming in next year, it will still be unrealistic to think that they will all step right in and dominate. You see a guy like Barlow is finding his stride and it's January. I think Fontas will be a big part of next year's team. He'll be that two-way center that Schafer leans on nightly. Anyways, if both Pokuluk and O'Byrne stay (long shot at best), next year's team is going to be a lot scarrier than many of us thought even a year ago. There will be more talent from top-to-bottom than even 02-03 albeit they will be much younger.
Barlow-Bitz-Gallagher
Greening-Scott-Carefoot
Scali-Kennedy-Milo/McCutcheon
Mugford-Fontas-Sawada
Kindret-Romano-Connors
O'Byrne-Nash
Seminoff-Pokuluk
Krantz-Glover
Davenport-Salmela
There will be a lot of tough decisions for the coaching staff, that's for sure, with 16 forwards.
[quote calgARI '07]There will be a lot of tough decisions for the coaching staff, that's for sure, with 16 forwards.[/quote]
Such as seeing if any player wants to declare a gender change and get the women's team up to the level of Dartmouth or Harvard. Imagine what it would be like if 3836 crazy fans came out for that. 'Course, that's chicken and egg -- great fan support helps attract the kind of players that makes fans want to come out, and fans come out for a team that's successful. I don't think the athletics department is hostile to successful women's sports, it's just that others such as Harvard, Dartmouth, and Princeton (in lacrosse) do it better for the sports where the men's stick sports are also successful.
[quote billhoward]I don't think the athletics department is hostile to successful women's sports[/quote]
Nothing makes the AD's job easier than a successful women's program to trump the inevitable sexism card. Tennessee is hardly the promised land of sexual equality, but Pat Summitt has given them a free pass for thirty years.
I guess Andy has polo.
[quote Trotsky][quote billhoward]I don't think the athletics department is hostile to successful women's sports[/quote]Nothing makes the AD's job easier than a successful women's program to trump the inevitable sexism card. Tennessee is hardly the promised land of sexual equality, but Pat Summitt has given them a free pass for thirty years. I guess Andy has polo.[/quote]
He probably says a prayer every night that none of the ponies drown.
2 goals and 3 assists for Greening last night
[quote calgARI '07]Loved Fontas in the Red-White game. Good size and skates well for a guy his size. No clue why it didn't work out at Lowell...[/quote]
Isn't Fontas an extremely talented student who wanted an academic environment slightly different than the one at Lowell?
From what i hear dont expect Connors to ever crack the lineup.
[quote ithacat][quote calgARI '07]Loved Fontas in the Red-White game. Good size and skates well for a guy his size. No clue why it didn't work out at Lowell...[/quote]
Isn't Fontas an extremely talented student who wanted an academic environment slightly different than the one at Lowell?[/quote]I have no knowledge of that, but the thought crossed my mind. It was then banished for being an odd way to look at intercollegiate athletics. Kinda cool if it is true.
Here's some discussion of Fontas transferring from the USCHO board back in August:
http://board.uscho.com/archive/index.php/t-47844-p-18.html
[quote jkahn]Here's some discussion of Fontas transferring from the USCHO board back in August:
http://board.uscho.com/archive/index.php/t-47844-p-18.html[/quote]
Of interest from a hockey perspective, he had nine points in 68 games for Lowell.
Some nice details on Scrivens at BR Puckhead: http://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/
What happen to Connors? I heard great things about him, power forward, aggressive etc? Is it injuries? or is the college game too much for him?
[quote seanc]What happen to Connors? I heard great things about him, power forward, aggressive etc? Is it injuries? or is the college game too much for him?[/quote]
I don't know for sure, but I think he was just vastly overrated. Nobody that gets 18 points in 28 games in the EJHL amounts to anything at legitimate Division I schools. He did a lot of scoring at a very low level of junior hockey and when he got to the high level last year, he got hurt a lot and was sparsely affective. To me, he definitely should have taken another year of development. Friends of mine who played against him in the EJHL were very unimpressed with him and were shocked that there was so much interest in him. Colin Greening was coming from a low level of juniors and he deferred and took this year at Junion A and has been absolutely outstanding, exceeding expectations.
From an article on Greening posted on the bchl site:
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Colin Greening is much like your typical Newfie. The St. John's product loves listening to Great Big Sea and watching Trailer Park Boys and he's as friendly as a Care Bear.
The 6-foot-2, 200-pound left winger from the Nanaimo Clippers also flashed some awesome athleticism Wednesday night by earning MVP as the Coastal Conference outlasted the Interior 13-10 in the 36th B.C. Hockey League All-Star Classic in Salmon Arm.
Greening dangled his way to a six-point (three goals) night, while his regular linemate Blair Riley added three goals and two assists and Tyler Bozak of the Victoria Salsa had four assists to give the dynamic trio a 15-point game.
"It's fun to come to a place like this and meet all the great players in the league and show respect for them and see how down-to-earth all the guys are," said Greening, who is headed to the Cornell Big Red next fall.
"It's just a fun time and I really enjoyed it. It got a little more exciting near the end when they made it 11-10. We kind of joked we were going to trap them and keep the lead."
Isn't Schafer signed to another 4 years after this season?
Not that it really matters, but out of curiosity, have we had a Newfie on the team since Oates?
Do we know how long his contract is? I don't remember length or dollars being released when he signed.
There's a couple of updates on his recent games...I think Trotsky's referring to the post Who Wants a Goalie?
[quote pfibiger]From an article on Greening posted on the bchl site:
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Colin Greening is much like your typical Newfie. The St. John's product loves listening to Great Big Sea and watching Trailer Park Boys and he's as friendly as a Care Bear.
The 6-foot-2, 200-pound left winger from the Nanaimo Clippers also flashed some awesome athleticism Wednesday night by earning MVP as the Coastal Conference outlasted the Interior 13-10 in the 36th B.C. Hockey League All-Star Classic in Salmon Arm.
Greening dangled his way to a six-point (three goals) night, while his regular linemate Blair Riley added three goals and two assists and Tyler Bozak of the Victoria Salsa had four assists to give the dynamic trio a 15-point game.
"It's fun to come to a place like this and meet all the great players in the league and show respect for them and see how down-to-earth all the guys are," said Greening, who is headed to the Cornell Big Red next fall.
"It's just a fun time and I really enjoyed it. It got a little more exciting near the end when they made it 11-10. We kind of joked we were going to trap them and keep the lead."[/quote]
There's an earlier article on the BCHL site that credits Greening with 4 goals & 3 assists. There's still no box score listed on the site.
http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/1413/graphics/All%2DStar%2Epdf
[quote pfibiger]Colin Greening is much like your typical Newfie.[/quote]
Oh you might think it's goofy...
but Colin Greening is a newfie
...
No? Anyone? ;)
Schafer has consistently said that he is interested in coaching at the highest (pro) level. When is hard to predict, but a cautious administration would ponder a succession plan.
The typical contract commits the school to paying the coach for the term of the contract. It doesn't commit the coach to sticking with the school for that term.
[quote David Harding]Schafer has consistently said that he is interested in coaching at the highest (pro) level. When is hard to predict, but a cautious administration would ponder a succession plan.
The typical contract commits the school to paying the coach for the term of the contract. It doesn't commit the coach to sticking with the school for that term.[/quote]
Wrong thread but just to toss it out: With the changes to NHL rules, don't you think Coach will have to continue to morph his tactics before he heads to the big show?
I'm excited about these recruits and the recruiting blog is going to be a new addiction for me. Thanks for putting that out there!
[q]atb9
Wrong thread [/q]I will only plead guilty of propogating thread drift. In thread view it is clear that I was responding to the chain that went:[q]ithacat
I love the BCHL pipeline, but please bring in Casey Jones to oversee US recruiting (and prepare for Mike's eventual departure).[/q][q]Ben Rocky 04
Isn't Schafer signed to another 4 years after this season?[/q][q]David Harding
Schafer has consistently said that he is interested in coaching at the highest (pro) level. When is hard to predict, but a cautious administration would ponder a succession plan.
The typical contract commits the school to paying the coach for the term of the contract. It doesn't commit the coach to sticking with the school for that term.
[/q]
[q]atb9
but just to toss it out: With the changes to NHL rules, don't you think Coach will have to continue to morph his tactics before he heads to the big show? [/q]Moving back towards the main thread theme, the players with higher aspirations are going to have to change and now may well be looking for programs that can help them grow in the new directions. I'm far enough away that I don't get to watch games, but from the discussions here I'm getting the sense that the college game is moving the same way.
According to Heisenberg's list, Cornell has received commitments from another set of twins, Mike and Joe Devin from Catholic Memorial. Since one plays defense, I guess that they won't replace the Abbotts.
Yes! I was really worried about not having twins!!!
Bizarre that we grabbed kids from CM. I thought they were a wholly-owned subsidiary of BC.
That's BU Greg. :-D
Pics: http://sports.bostonherald.com/highSchool/view.bg?articleid=119882
My daughter is going to think they're hot. Great.
[quote ursaminor]That's BU Greg. :-D[/quote]
I thought BU's feeder program was Arlington.
Maybe, it has changed. It used to CM. BTW, both Devins are ranked by the NHL CSB.
The rumor i'd heard about the Devins was that they were 2007 recruits, and were expected to play a year in the USHL. That still seems likely, since we have a glut of forwards for next year.
Mike (the defenseman) is a B rated prospect by Central Scouting, hovering right around where Tony Romano and Blake Gallagher are. Joe is an A rated prospect.
[quote ursaminor]According to Heisenberg's list, Cornell has received commitments from another set of twins, Mike and Joe Devin from Catholic Memorial. Since one plays defense, I guess that they won't replace the Abbotts.[/quote]
No, but they might then "replace" the McRaes.
What is interesting is that Ted Donato is a Catholic Memorial alum. I wonder if Harvard was gunning for these twins and Cornell out-recruited them, or if Harvard passed. I know that Harvard loses 2 defenseman (Pete Hafner & Ton Walsh), and they already have a commitment from Iam Tallet and hear that Chad Morin and Alex Biega are theirs to lose.
[quote bothman]What is interesting is that Ted Donato is a Catholic Memorial alum. I wonder if Harvard was gunning for these twins and Cornell out-recruited them, or if Harvard passed. I know that Harvard loses 2 defenseman (Pete Hafner & Ton Walsh), and they already have a commitment from Iam Tallet and hear that Chad Morin and Alex Biega are theirs to lose.[/quote]
I'd heard that at least Harvard and Northeastern were interested in the Devins.
For all those who wish we had hockey/lacrosse all-stars, Joe Devin also plays varsity lax.
http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/allscholastics/winter2005/boys_hockey/
[quote pfibiger]
Mike (the defenseman) is a B rated prospect by Central Scouting, hovering right around where Tony Romano and Blake Gallagher are. Joe is an A rated prospect.[/quote]
Does Central Scouting explain what they mean by the grading? How "can't miss" is an A supposed to be, for example?
[quote Trotsky][quote pfibiger]
Mike (the defenseman) is a B rated prospect by Central Scouting, hovering right around where Tony Romano and Blake Gallagher are. Joe is an A rated prospect.[/quote]
Does Central Scouting explain what they mean by the grading? How "can't miss" is an A supposed to be, for example?[/quote]
I think A means "likely to be drafted in the first three rounds."
[quote pfibiger][quote Trotsky][quote pfibiger]
Mike (the defenseman) is a B rated prospect by Central Scouting, hovering right around where Tony Romano and Blake Gallagher are. Joe is an A rated prospect.[/quote]
Does Central Scouting explain what they mean by the grading? How "can't miss" is an A supposed to be, for example?[/quote]
I think A means "likely to be drafted in the first three rounds."[/quote]In other words, anywhere from a Jessiman to a Kessel...
[quote pfibiger]The rumor i'd heard about the Devins was that they were 2007 recruits, and were expected to play a year in the USHL. That still seems likely, since we have a glut of forwards for next year.
Mike (the defenseman) is a B rated prospect by Central Scouting, hovering right around where Tony Romano and Blake Gallagher are. Joe is an A rated prospect.[/quote]
The Central Scouting Mid-Term Ratings have Joe Devins rated as the 83rd best prospect in the draft, whereas Mike is rated 154th, two three spots below Blake Gallagher at 151st.
New twins! Awesome! :-D
I would think the Devin's would be for 07 but perhaps they are for '06. The league they play in is pretty bad and very tough to make the jump (it's a little lower than the league Greening was in last year). I had heard they were going to the USHL next year. If they are for '06 that almost assures me that Romano will be deferring and going to a better league. Either way, I think Romano deferring is a definite possibility.
The Heisenberg site says '06. BR Puckhead, who appears to do his or her homework, mentioned a while back that he (or she) wouldn't be surprised if we added a couple more D'men, given the huge loses on the blueline after next year. He (or she, or it... whatever) has never mentioned the Devins, however.'
It's a little bit hard to believe, however, that we are really going to see 19 (16-4+7) forwards, 9 (8-1+2) defensemen, and 3 (3-1+1) goaltenders. I mean, 19 forwards?
The Devlins fall in between our 87ers (Nash & Milo) & 88ers (Gallagher & Romano), age wise, so some more development isn't out of the question given the competition they've faced.
Romano's an interesting case. The league he's in is a weaker one and he didn't appear to have much of an impact when he played on an AJHL select team against the U18 Nationals, yet he appeared to have a solid Viking Cup. Goal scorers are needed badly next year (when aren't they?). It'll be interesting to see what happens with Tony. It'd be a shame to see him standing in a suit next year. Of the two younglings, I'd be most surprised if Gallagher isn't skating in Lynah next year, even though he's the youngest.
I also see on Heisenberg's site, Chad Morin is now listed as having said yes to H******.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth on the Devin twins.
Having played on the same team as Schafe for four years at CU, and now also coaching a local high school team in Mass. that has played against the Devins, I think that their style of play will fit in perfectly to Schafe's system.
Both kids are big , strong and smart players, who I believe will be great additions to the program.
Keep up the great work with the site, I know a lot of the former players ( myself included) enjoy reading the forum
Cheers!
DH, we love it when former players post. Feel free to chime in often - your perspective is welcome :)
They're listed as 07s now.
Dave Hunter! Thank you for helping to take us back to Boston.
From the Boston Globe High School Sports Blog:
Catholic Memorial's web site noted that CM co-captains Joe (forward) and Mike Devin (defenseman) "have both been rated among the top National Hockey League prospects in North America by the NHL Central Scouting Service. The twin brothers from Scituate, both National Honor Society members, have committed to Cornell University."
From my narrowly informed perspective, it appears that the overall depth and breadth of the recruits is as strong as we've had. These classes especially seem to have more true scorers to blend with the usual hard-working muckers. Given the general consensus that lack of scoring punch is our key missing ingredient, it will be interesting to see if there is in fact any change in style over the next few years.
When Connors was recruited the initial reaction was that he was going to score 60 goals a year and win the Hobey. IIRC, Rob Levasseur had unbelievable goal scoring numbers in junior (he eventually developed into a goal scorer, but it took 4 years). It's a crapshoot.
In case anyone cares, Chad Morin did commit to hahavhd (after looking at vermont and ohio state[?]). His sister said that Cornell didn't want him and they "were mean to him." Don't know the whole story..but seems like our loss...
As for his little brother, Jeremy (Jet). He could be even better than Chad...so maybe we shouldn't be "mean" to him.
[quote sen '08]In case anyone cares, Chad Morin did commit to hahavhd (after looking at vermont and ohio state[?]). His sister said that Cornell didn't want him and they "were mean to him." Don't know the whole story..but seems like our loss...
As for his little brother, Jeremy (Jet). He could be even better than Chad...so maybe we shouldn't be "mean" to him.[/quote]
Did Coach tell Morin that he might actually have to do schoolwork to get an A?
Who knows with a guy like Connors. He could be the next Paolini who didn't play much his freshman year and then was on the first powerplay the rest of his time at Cornell. Yes, there's a lot of talent coming in next year, but the coaches clearly look to fill roles with the most suitable players and many of those roles do not require the most offensively-gifted player.
Seriously, what does "mean to him" mean? Its a weird thing to say about a school that's recruiting you.
Maybe he read the elynah posts suggesting obvious taunts if he signed elsewhere.
[quote sen '08]In case anyone cares, Chad Morin did commit to hahavhd (after looking at vermont and ohio state[?]). His sister said that Cornell didn't want him and they "were mean to him." Don't know the whole story..but seems like our loss...
As for his little brother, Jeremy (Jet). He could be even better than Chad...so maybe we shouldn't be "mean" to him.[/quote]
Care to give us some more? What does "mean" mean?
Otherwise you're--unfairly, in my opinion--just creating a ripe situation for extremely snarky comments by attributing to Chad very unofficial slams against a program that we all love. It's not like we need to be any more upset with Chad--Like the "A" comment, the snarky comments should be because he chose to play hockey at Honors U in front of apathetic fans! ;-)
I honestly have no clue what "mean" means...I'll try to find out.
Cornell was "mean" to him? I suspect he will find out how mean Cornell can really be when he next sets foot on the ice in Lynah. :-D
perhaps, ho-hum, average...didn't dazzle him. B-]
Thiessen is not going to Cornell and is hoping to land at UND. What I'd like to know is why Cornell is recruiting another goaltender. Scrivens, DiLeo, McKee makes three. I'm not going to say anymore.
[quote calgARI '07]Thiessen is not going to Cornell and is hoping to land at UND. What I'd like to know is why Cornell is recruiting another goaltender. Scrivens, DiLeo, McKee makes three. I'm not going to say anymore.[/quote]
I hope you're right...according to an article on Thiessen by Research on Ice, we're looking at DiLeo and Scrivens next year.
http://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/
[quote ithacat][quote calgARI '07]Thiessen is not going to Cornell and is hoping to land at UND. What I'd like to know is why Cornell is recruiting another goaltender. Scrivens, DiLeo, McKee makes three. I'm not going to say anymore.[/quote]
I hope you're right...according to an article on Thiessen by Research on Ice, we're looking at DiLeo and Scrivens next year.
http://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/[/quote]
While I don't doubt that they may have told him that - perhaps to lure him - I have a hard time believing that McKee would have made up his mind about such a thing in the middle of a season. And not a standout season at that. Its a big decision to leave school early, and not one that should be made in the middle of a season and school year.
Just my take.
[quote DeltaOne81][quote ithacat][quote calgARI '07]Thiessen is not going to Cornell and is hoping to land at UND. What I'd like to know is why Cornell is recruiting another goaltender. Scrivens, DiLeo, McKee makes three. I'm not going to say anymore.[/quote]
I hope you're right...according to an article on Thiessen by Research on Ice, we're looking at DiLeo and Scrivens next year.
http://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/[/quote]
While I don't doubt that they may have told him that - perhaps to lure him - I have a hard time believing that McKee would have made up his mind about such a thing in the middle of a season. And not a standout season at that. Its a big decision to leave school early, and not one that should be made in the middle of a season and school year.
Just my take.[/quote]
Perhaps something was misconstrued as well? I have to believe, however, that if the coaching staff told Thiessen this it's true. Intentionally misleading a recruit would not be the way to build a program. Again, I don't believe that's the case. It could also simply be the way McKee talks about things -- I seem to recall he said something in the Alumni magazine article (re: Coach's desire to coach in the Pros) that could be read as him leaning towards leaving after this year.
I really hope it's not true. Of course, if he's coming back (without question), and DiLeo isn't going to pull a Troy Davenport, one would wonder why they're still pursuing a goalie.
I'd find it ironic if McKee left school after setting up a program to help learning centers. I'd think he would be pretty committed to finishing college.
Don't go, Dave :(
It's probably as simple as someone saying something like "There's a good chance David might not come back next year, since even last summer he got several offers to turn pro."
[quote jkahn]It's probably as simple as someone saying something like "There's a good chance David might not come back next year, since even last summer he got several offers to turn pro."[/quote]
Yeah, exactly. I misspoke to say they "told" him. I meant they said something to imply it. That said, I'm glad he didn't come here, cause if he misunderstood that, and then McKee didn't leave, he'd be pretty pissed.
It really does seem absord that McKee would have made up his mind already. However, the coaches are recruiting another goalie. That tells me that he's made his decision.
If it looks as if Cornell has a sizable batch of recruits incoming - of course, not all the maybes are really signing on - is that because Cornell is making provisions for the worst case happening this spring?
- Moulson graduates
- Five other seniors graduate
- Pokoluk stays or leaves?
- O'Byrne stays or leaves?
- McKee stays or leaves?
- Would any of the freshmen want to take their chances in the pros, or a Ray Sawada? (June 2004: "I'm still going to Cornell," said Sawada, who was selected 52nd overall by Dallas. "You never know how long you're going to stay there, but I'll work my hardest once I get there." [USCHO])
- Mike Schafer hears a tempting offer
That's a lot of people for coach Shafer to replace. Um, Mike, you're still with us, right?
It's not good for the program to bring in 20 solid recruits and cut 10 but it's not good for the program, the fans, or Cornell's winning record to bring in 8 and find you need 12.
When Leneveu left over the summer, recall, Schafer found himself a solid goalie over that same summer in Mckee. That only works if the player has finished HS and is playing juniors for a year.
Ari may be right that Ryan O'Byrne is the most valuable player (when healthy) that Cornell has, but if MVP is the guy without whom you're hosed, then it's McKee. Nobody knows for sure what he's doing and all we can do is look at the numbers: His family is a big part of the Cornell community and it must be a great time being here for David and family ... the family is well off so David doesn't need to bail this spring to earn a living and conversely if his Cornell degree is delayed, he's not going to be collecting food stamps ... he's the same age as David Leneveu: spring 1983 birthdates.
Cornell only got three years out of Ken Dryden. Different reason, of course.
[quote DeltaOne81][quote jkahn]It's probably as simple as someone saying something like "There's a good chance David might not come back next year, since even last summer he got several offers to turn pro."[/quote]
Yeah, exactly. I misspoke to say they "told" him. I meant they said something to imply it. That said, I'm glad he didn't come here, cause if he misunderstood that, and then McKee didn't leave, he'd be pretty pissed.[/quote]
I'm happy he didn't come because I think that is kind of a sketchy thing to say in an interview. If the coaches told him that, they likely did with the idea he wouldn't go telling everyone.
[quote calgARI '07]It really does seem absord that McKee would have made up his mind already. However, the coaches are recruiting another goalie. That tells me that he's made his decision.[/quote]
Could they just be being safe? And maybe ask one to defer if he stays. Lets compare McKee and the last Cornell goalie that left early :)
Lenny, coming off a career year and NCAA record GAA
McKee, having a decent year, but definitely a drop from the previous
Lenny, coming off a dramatic ECAC title and trip the Frozen Four
McKee, we'll see
Lenny, drafted, with the maximum rookie offer that would undoubtedly be restricted with the new CBA pending
McKee, undrafted, with no doubt lesser offers
Lenny, makes up his mind in late June/July
McKee, made up his mind in January?
I'm not saying McKee's not leaving, nor am I insulting him... I just somehow find it unfathomable that he'd decide so much earlier than Lenny, while Lenny had so much more reason to leave.
I can't remember where but I'm pretty sure McKee has said he's not too fond of Ithaca being from Texas and all. I would be surprised if he leaves but who knows.
What seems more likely is that O'Byrne and Pokulok leave. That combined with McKee leaving and Gleed gradutaing obviously would be tough for the D to take. But even if just the "towers" and Gleed leave, we'd have 5 dmen plus one recruit coming in. Maybe another D recruit is the biggest priority.
We are losing a lot of forwards but the firepower coming in plus this year's freshmen, who are coming into form, should smooth the transition.
[quote DeltaOne81][quote calgARI '07]It really does seem absord that McKee would have made up his mind already. However, the coaches are recruiting another goalie. That tells me that he's made his decision.[/quote]
Could they just be being safe? And maybe ask one to defer if he stays. Lets compare McKee and the last Cornell goalie that left early :)
Lenny, coming off a career year and NCAA record GAA
McKee, having a decent year, but definitely a drop from the previous
Lenny, coming off a dramatic ECAC title and trip the Frozen Four
McKee, we'll see
Lenny, drafted, with the maximum rookie offer that would undoubtedly be restricted with the new CBA pending
McKee, undrafted, with no doubt lesser offers
Lenny, makes up his mind in late June/July
McKee, made up his mind in January?
I'm not saying McKee's not leaving, nor am I insulting him... I just somehow find it unfathomable that he'd decide so much earlier than Lenny, while Lenny had so much more reason to leave.[/quote]
I think this is probably pretty accurate so maybe Cornell is looking for a goalie for '07 but could come a year early like McKee did. They turned out to be very lucky in that whole situation especially beacuse Marr ended up getting hurt. However, I'm sure that they would have gotten a safegap mid-tier guy had McKee not come a year early.
I spoke to someone who would know such things before the @Colgate game, and she shook her head at the rumor that McKee had made up his mind to leave. I'm satisfied with that for now, but you never know if he'll make up his mind at the end of the season.
[quote Section A Banshee]I spoke to someone who would know such things before the @Colgate game, and she shook her head at the rumor that McKee had made up his mind to leave. I'm satisfied with that for now, but you never know if he'll make up his mind at the end of the season.[/quote]I think the she gives it away, but I wouldn't expect her to say anything else.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote Section A Banshee]I spoke to someone who would know such things before the @Colgate game, and she shook her head at the rumor that McKee had made up his mind to leave. I'm satisfied with that for now, but you never know if he'll make up his mind at the end of the season.[/quote]I think the she gives it away, but I wouldn't expect her to say anything else.[/quote]
Hey you never know, it could have been the equipment chick who gave me back my jersey before warmups tonight. I asked her quite a few questions about the team's state of undress. :-P
[quote calgARI '07]It really does seem absord that McKee would have made up his mind already. However, the coaches are recruiting another goalie. That tells me that he's made his decision.[/quote]Recruiting another goalie, on its own, could simply mean that DiLeo decided to jump due to lack of playing time. Not saying it does mean that, but it could.
[quote jmh30][quote calgARI '07]It really does seem absord that McKee would have made up his mind already. However, the coaches are recruiting another goalie. That tells me that he's made his decision.[/quote]Recruiting another goalie, on its own, could simply mean that DiLeo decided to jump due to lack of playing time. Not saying it does mean that, but it could.[/quote]
I think DiLeo knows his place. He was not a highly ranked goaltender and was a very late commitment. I think he knows he is Chabot's replacement and think he knows this.
[quote calgARI '07]
I think DiLeo knows his place. He was not a highly ranked goaltender and was a very late commitment. I think he knows he is Chabot's replacement and think he knows this.[/quote]But does he think he knows it?
Here's an update of next year's recruits. The numbers include various tournaments, all-star games, etc. Scrivens' games count is based on minutes played.
Gms Gls Ast Pts
Blake Gallagher 58 29 26 55
Colin Greening 49 28 35 63
Justin Milo 47 21 19 40
Brendon Nash 46 8 33 41
Tony Romano 46 54 50 104
Joe Scali 36 19 17 36
Gms GAA SV%
Ben Scrivens 38 2.22 92.67
[quote ugarte][quote calgARI '07]
I think DiLeo knows his place. He was not a highly ranked goaltender and was a very late commitment. I think he knows he is Chabot's replacement and think he knows this.[/quote]But does he think he knows it?[/quote]And does he know that Ari thinks he knows?
But I guess my point is, if DiLeo *did* know that his role at Cornell was going to be limited to a four-year backup, would it be unreasonable to think he might want to go play somewhere else where he'd have a chance of starting?
Is there anywhere to get a full list of recruits without going through 200 posts?
[quote Jackson]Is there anywhere to get a full list of recruits without going through 200 posts?[/quote]
http://members.aol.com/cheisenber/Recruit06.htm
http://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/
[quote Jackson]Is there anywhere to get a full list of recruits without going through 200 posts?[/quote]
http://www.tbrw.info/2007/features/2007EnteringPlayers.html
[quote billhoward]If it looks as if Cornell has a sizable batch of recruits incoming - of course, not all the maybes are really signing on - is that because Cornell is making provisions for the worst case happening this spring?
- Moulson graduates
- Five other seniors graduate
- Pokoluk stays or leaves?
- O'Byrne stays or leaves?
- McKee stays or leaves?
- Would any of the freshmen want to take their chances in the pros, or a Ray Sawada? (June 2004: "I'm still going to Cornell," said Sawada, who was selected 52nd overall by Dallas. "You never know how long you're going to stay there, but I'll work my hardest once I get there." [USCHO])
- Mike Schafer hears a tempting offer
That's a lot of people for coach Shafer to replace. Um, Mike, you're still with us, right?[/quote]
Nothing we can do about the seniors graduating. Well, I suppose we could join the SEC, but that wouldn't give them any more eligibility. ;-)
On the others:
Sasha's definitely possible. The saving grace is that he isn't exactly maxing out his NCAA potential, and the Caps aren't in desperate need of anything except everything -- meaning, there's no point in rushing him up to help them finish last again next year.
O'Byrne I just can't see. Still too many holes in the guy's game. He's improving, but he doesn't compare to the guys who have left early in the past.
Sawada I'd say is a lock to stay, having not shown a true breakout year, but I was very surprised when Hynes bolted.
McKee, well, there's the Thiessen quote, but then there's every indication that the McKee family is 100% behind the Cornell educational experience and the Cornell community. And it isn't as if David has to worry about leaving early to get Momma outta the projects or Dad outta the zinc mine. I think the continuing search implies that DiLeo is Louis Chabot and Scrivens is Ian Burt, and Coach is interested in finding, at minimum, another Matt Underhill.
And Coach Himself, well, I doubt he'd screw Cornell right in the middle of the funding drive for the improvements he's pushed for all these years. The Lynah improvements are Schafer's payday for the incredible change he has made in the program. It makes no sense that he wouldn't stick around and reap the benefit.
Blake Gallagher lost out to teammate Wahsontio Stacey for SJHL rookie of the year (each team can only nominate one player), but Blake and the rest of the Hounds took almost all the slots in the SJHL All-Rookie team:
DIRECT WEST SJHL ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
GOAL- Blake Bashor, Notre Dame Hounds
DEFENSE-Tyler Karst, La Ronge Ice Wolves
DEFENSE-Riley Clark, Notre Dame Hounds
CENTRE-Blake Gallagher, Notre Dame Hounds
RIGHT WING-Wahsontio Stacey, Notre Dame Hounds
LEFT WING-Thomas Hawkins, Notre Dame Hounds
Waahooo, another set of twins! The Devin brothers are coming in for 2007 according to Heisenburg's website. Anybody know anything about them????
[quote Brian]Waahooo, another set of twins! The Devin brothers are coming in for 2007 according to Heisenburg's website. Anybody know anything about them????[/quote]
Could they possibly be from Boston????
http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/allscholastics/winter2005/boys_hockey/
[quote Brian][quote Brian]Waahooo, another set of twins! The Devin brothers are coming in for 2007 according to Heisenburg's website. Anybody know anything about them????[/quote]
Could they possibly be from Boston????
http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/allscholastics/winter2005/boys_hockey/[/quote]
Also found and INCH article:
http://insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/Notebooks/0506/recruiting_0423.htm
[quote Brian][quote Brian]Waahooo, another set of twins! The Devin brothers are coming in for 2007 according to Heisenburg's website. Anybody know anything about them????[/quote]
Could they possibly be from Boston????
http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/allscholastics/winter2005/boys_hockey/[/quote]
Please see this thread at around 1/30/06.
[quote ursaminor on Jan 30]According to Heisenberg's list, Cornell has received commitments from another set of twins, Mike and Joe Devin from Catholic Memorial. Since one plays defense, I guess that they won't replace the Abbotts.[/quote]
[quote ebilmes][quote ursaminor on Jan 30]According to Heisenberg's list, Cornell has received commitments from another set of twins, Mike and Joe Devin from Catholic Memorial. Since one plays defense, I guess that they won't replace the Abbotts.[/quote][/quote]
No but the McRae's were splite, one defense, one forward and they were very exciting to watch, much like the abbotts.
Sorry, didn't go back that far to look and I didn't see there stats in the comparison of everybody else.
Just noticed Heisenberg lists Davenport, goalie, as a Cornell recruit for 2006. Isn't this a replay?
Cheers!
Drew
Just noticed Heisenberg lists Troy Davenport, goalie, as a Cornell recruit for 2006. Isn't this a replay?
Cheers!
Drew
Edit: Sorry for the dupe, trying to be helpful.
[q][Davenport) Will return to team as junior[/q]
Wow...Four goalies for next year? Or does this mean McKee is definitely out?
[quote Drew]Just noticed Heisenberg lists Troy Davenport, goalie, as a Cornell recruit for 2006. Isn't this a replay?
Cheers!
Drew[/quote]
WOW...I'm pretty shocked. I'm suprised to see Schafer allow Davenport back after he left the team high and dry last January. This tells me McKee must be leaving.
[quote Drew]Just noticed Heisenberg lists Troy Davenport, goalie, as a Cornell recruit for 2006. Isn't this a replay?.[/quote]
I have to say, I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation.
I actually don't think this is a bad move at all. Despite the fact that he left us high and dry (for which you can't totally fault him) he's still a very good goalie. I think the only reason other teams weren't going after him was because of his eligibility.
Shocking but not all that shocking. Has Cornell ever had four goalies? There is no way McKee has made a decision but they now have a lot more insurance. Wouldn't be shocked if DiLeo got cut if McKee stayed.
[Q] Heisenberg wrote:
Davenport ... Will return to team as junior"[/Q]
He'd be a sophomore, not junior, right? Academically, probably a second semester freshman, but a soph athletically as you're normally allowed four years of eligibilty in a five year period. Or am I missing or forgetting something?
[quote jkahn][Q] Heisenberg wrote:
Davenport ... Will return to team as junior"[/Q]
He'd be a sophomore, not junior, right? Academically, probably a second semester freshman, but a soph athletically as you're normally allowed four years of eligibilty in a five year period. Or am I missing or forgetting something?[/quote]
Well, I think the Ivies "highly encourage" you to use your eligibility in the first four years - to the point that a medical redshirt is pretty much the only reason Ivy athletes are eligible for a 5th year. I'm not sure if it's an actual policy or just a strongly encouraged guideline.
[quote Robb][quote jkahn][Q] Heisenberg wrote:
Davenport ... Will return to team as junior"[/Q]
He'd be a sophomore, not junior, right? Academically, probably a second semester freshman, but a soph athletically as you're normally allowed four years of eligibilty in a five year period. Or am I missing or forgetting something?[/quote]
Well, I think the Ivies "highly encourage" you to use your eligibility in the first four years - to the point that a medical redshirt is pretty much the only reason Ivy athletes are eligible for a 5th year. I'm not sure if it's an actual policy or just a strongly encouraged guideline.[/quote]
That's discriminatory. Why must a student-athlete or anyone else go through in four consecutive years. Doing missionary work, finding yourself, working to earn tuition, all are legitimate reasons to pause during your studies.
Wasn't there a stupid NCAA rule way back that said Canadians lost a year of NCAA tournament eligibility if they were over 25 but not Americans, and isn't that why you see pictures of former cop and Cornell senior Dick Bertrand, 29 or so years old, in a plaid sports coat during the NCAAs, not a red jersey? I'd love to be able to litigate that one now.
It was supposed to stop Canadians from playing 5 years of junior hockey after HS and being way better than Americans. But Bertrand was twirling a nightstick before Cornell, wasn't he?
[quote billhoward]Wasn't there a stupid NCAA rule way back that said Canadians lost a year of NCAA tournament eligibility if they were over 25 but not Americans, and isn't that why you see pictures of former cop and Cornell senior Dick Bertrand, 29 or so years old, in a plaid sports coat during the NCAAs, not a red jersey?
It was supposed to stop Canadians from playing 5 years of junior hockey after HS and being way better than Americans. But Bertrand was twirling a nightstick before Cornell, wasn't he?[/quote]
I think he was wearing a Cornell blazer, Bill. The wild plaid sportcoats came later when he coached and Irv Lewis's Sport Shop provided them for him to "model" behind the bench.
In Good Sports, Bob Kane writes: "He [Bertrand] had been a policeman in Toronto for two years after graduating from high school...He played on a mediocre village team, and was not chosen to take part in Canada's Junior A competition. No colleges came after him. At age 25 he decided he wanted to pursue his education. He sought out Ned Harkness with the hope he might be accepted to Cornell."
[quote billhoward]
That's discriminatory. Why must a student-athlete or anyone else go through in four consecutive years. Doing missionary work, finding yourself, working to earn tuition, all are legitimate reasons to pause during your studies. [/quote]
Hmmm - interesting point. Not sure how the Ivies would treat a situation where someone actually took a break from school (i.e. was not enrolled as a full-time student). But I'm pretty sure that while you're enrolled, your Ivy eligibility is ticking away.
Even so, I'd have a hard time characterizing the policy as "discriminatory." The Ivy league is about academics - don't like it? You don't have to go here. There are plenty of Jock U's where you can prioritize athletics over academics. I think it's a good policy - if you want a red shirt, take it before you enroll. Once you enroll, we expect to you to focus on studies first, athletics second. If athletics has distracted you enough that you don't finish in 4 years, then it's time to either give up the athletics and finish your degree or leave school so you can focus on athletics.
[quote billhoward]That's discriminatory. Why must a student-athlete or anyone else go through in four consecutive years. Doing missionary work, finding yourself, working to earn tuition, all are legitimate reasons to pause during your studies.[/quote]
Anyone can pause during their studies. As long as you fill in the leave of absence paperwork and pony up the tuition when you return, Cornell will be glad to have you. Whether or not you have any years left to play varsity curling is irrelevant to the university's mission.
[quote calgARI '07]Has Cornell ever had four goalies?[/quote]
In 1977, four different men played in at least one game in goal for Cornell: Steve Napier (23), John Vandermark (12), Kevin Wang (1), and Mike Doyle (1 -- 6 minutes): http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptAnnualGoaltending/rptAnnualGoaltendingFrame.html
http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/hockey/articles/2006/02/28/family_tradition_at_cm?mode=PF
[quote bothman]http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/hockey/articles/2006/02/28/family_tradition_at_cm?mode=PF[/quote]
Nice article. It contains the line that they will be coming to Cornell "in the Fall." Either that is an error, or Heisenberg is wrong in listing them for 2007.
[q]That's discriminatory.[/q]Sure. So what? Since when did people/schools not have a right to discriminate? The law makes discriminating on the basis of certain qualities (race, ethnicitY, etc.) illegal and Congress has used the power of the purse to make certain other kinds essentially illegal as well (Title IX). But Cornell and the Ivy LEague have every right to decide that their student-athletes may only compete in varsity sports for four years. You may think that this is bad policy, but others may disagree.
I am pretty sure there is an exception for missionaries to the 5 years to play 4 seasons rule. Brandon Hall '02, a former lax captain, played his freshman year in 1996, went on a two year mission, came back in 1999, missed a season due to injury, then somehow played at least two more seasons. I actually researched this because I didn't want to get it wrong, and he's listed as a senior for both the 2001 and 2002 seasons. Whatever happened in his case, his missionary work didn't seem to take any eligibility away from him, but his injury might have. If anyone with more knowledge of lax websites/databases than I have can find his career stats, this might prove my point better. Or not. But he definitely played his first season in '96 and his last in '02.
Whatever the rule is, there's always ways around it -- I know a few wrestlers have gotten an extra year or two of eligibility because they've gotten hurt and only wrestled a certain percentage of matches that year. And that's not just approved by Noel of course, but the NCAA.
I have a headache now.
The high school team I help coach in Mass, just played the Devin brothers team last week. They both played very well, as they crushed our team. They are going to play for Schafe and CU starting in 2007.
DH '86
[Q]''They're used to playing hurt," Hanson said. ''They've played with injury. Whereas other kids may not play, Michael is used to being hurt. Joe, he's sucked it up many times."[/Q]
Sounds like they'll fit right in ::help::
Sounds like another set of twins will have to learn how to play with someone that isn't their brother...
[quote nr53]Sounds like another set of twins will have to learn how to play with someone that isn't their brother...[/quote]
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Joe is a forward, Mike is a defenseman. It shouldn't be a problem.
[Q]
''It's much easier playing with him than someone else," Mike added. "On the ice, I'd rather have him out there than someone else. We always know where the other is. We work off each other real well."
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I would have put that quote in earlier, but the site wouldn't let me see the 2nd page of the article unless I registered. Guess my cookie timed our or something so I could get it now.
[quote Robb][quote billhoward]
That's discriminatory. Why must a student-athlete or anyone else go through in four consecutive years. Doing missionary work, finding yourself, working to earn tuition, all are legitimate reasons to pause during your studies. [/quote]
Hmmm - interesting point. Not sure how the Ivies would treat a situation where someone actually took a break from school (i.e. was not enrolled as a full-time student). But I'm pretty sure that while you're enrolled, your Ivy eligibility is ticking away.
Even so, I'd have a hard time characterizing the policy as "discriminatory." The Ivy league is about academics - don't like it? You don't have to go here. There are plenty of Jock U's where you can prioritize athletics over academics. I think it's a good policy - if you want a red shirt, take it before you enroll. Once you enroll, we expect to you to focus on studies first, athletics second. If athletics has distracted you enough that you don't finish in 4 years, then it's time to either give up the athletics and finish your degree or leave school so you can focus on athletics.[/quote]
College is not exclusively for 18- to 22-year-olds. Also, wouldn't you think Cornell is about more than just what goes on in academic buildings? If Cornell housing wouldn't allow black women students to live in dorms (early 1900s), were they getting the full Cornell experience? Dick Bertrand wasn't allowed to compete in the NCAA tournament simply because he was Canadian and over 22 or over 25. The rule might have had a legimate purpose, such as not allowing (Canadian) hockey players who'd been in a semi-pro environment (at a time when the pro vs. amateur issue was a big thing) for several years after high school, but that's not the way it was written. It was a blanket prohibition on (I believe) Canadians who were over a certain age, and it had lots of loopholes, such as being American, or being in the service.
Even the pro/amateur issue was a matter of class, some might say. Patricians could afford to train for the Olympics by living off their family wealth. That's why a lot of Harvard, Yale, and Cornell men were Olympians in the early 20th century. Home Depot (um, if it existed) wouldn't pay you to take a year off to train, and if they did pay you, you would have lost amateur status.
[quote billhoward]
College is not exclusively for 18- to 22-year-olds. Also, wouldn't you think Cornell is about more than just what goes on in academic buildings? If Cornell housing wouldn't allow black women students to live in dorms (early 1900s), were they getting the full Cornell experience? Dick Bertrand wasn't allowed to compete in the NCAA tournament simply because he was Canadian and over 22 or over 25. The rule might have had a legimate purpose, such as not allowing (Canadian) hockey players who'd been in a semi-pro environment (at a time when the pro vs. amateur issue was a big thing) for several years after high school, but that's not the way it was written. It was a blanket prohibition on (I believe) Canadians who were over a certain age, and it had lots of loopholes, such as being American, or being in the service.
Even the pro/amateur issue was a matter of class, some might say. Patricians could afford to train for the Olympics by living off their family wealth. That's why a lot of Harvard, Yale, and Cornell men were Olympians in the early 20th century. Home Depot (um, if it existed) wouldn't pay you to take a year off to train, and if they did pay you, you would have lost amateur status.[/quote]
All very interesting historical information. But none of it seems to have much relevance to the Ivy League practice of strongly encouraging athletes to use their 4 years of NCAA eligibility within their first 4 years of enrollment.
And of course Cornell is about more than academics - but that doesn't mean that its many missions should all have equal priority. Academics is #1. Period.
Not that it matters much now but Heisenberg's site just reported Brad Thiessen chose Northeastern ::wtf::
Anyone know anything about the Crimson's new goalie recruit -- Kyle Richter? He plays in the same league as Scrivens. With Daigneau graduating and his backups not being too stellar, I'd expect Richter to see playing time next year. Just wondering if anyone who follows the recruiting scene closely has any scoop on him.
Keith Seabrook committed to Denver for '07. No clue if he was interested in Cornell but I really had my hopes up for him being that second defenseman for next year.
That second D recruit for next year seems like a necessity unless Schafer knows O'Byrne and Pokulok aren't leaving. I noticed there's a D from the Notre Dame Hounds (Luke Brisebois) still unaccounted for.
[quote redredux]That second D recruit for next year seems like a necessity unless Schafer knows O'Byrne and Pokulok aren't leaving. I noticed there's a D from the Notre Dame Hounds (Luke Brisebois) still unaccounted for.[/quote]
Even if he knows they aren't leaving (it'd be shocking if neither were leaving), something tells me they are going to want nine defensemen next year.
[quote redredux]Anyone know anything about the Crimson's new goalie recruit -- Kyle Richter? He plays in the same league as Scrivens. With Daigneau graduating and his backups not being too stellar, I'd expect Richter to see playing time next year. Just wondering if anyone who follows the recruiting scene closely has any scoop on him.[/quote]
I think I recall seeing something about him on the USCHO D-1 Forum "Harvard Deserves a Thread" thread. The gist was that he's solid, not eye-popping, like Scrivens.
[quote Omie]Not that it matters much now but Heisenberg's site just reported Brad Thiessen chose Northeastern ::wtf::[/quote]
Seems pretty weird indeed to blow off both Cornell and North Dakota for Northeastern. Maybe he really, really liked Boston.
[quote Trotsky][quote Omie]Not that it matters much now but Heisenberg's site just reported Brad Thiessen chose Northeastern ::wtf::[/quote]
Seems pretty weird indeed to blow off both Cornell and North Dakota for Northeastern. Maybe he really, really liked Boston.[/quote]It's all about the Beanpaht man!
[quote KeithK][quote Trotsky][quote Omie]Not that it matters much now but Heisenberg's site just reported Brad Thiessen chose Northeastern ::wtf::[/quote]
Seems pretty weird indeed to blow off both Cornell and North Dakota for Northeastern. Maybe he really, really liked Boston.[/quote]It's all about the Beanpaht man![/quote]
So, what, he's in love with losing the Beanpot? :-D
[quote Will][quote KeithK][quote Trotsky][quote Omie]Not that it matters much now but Heisenberg's site just reported Brad Thiessen chose Northeastern ::wtf::[/quote]
Seems pretty weird indeed to blow off both Cornell and North Dakota for Northeastern. Maybe he really, really liked Boston.[/quote]It's all about the Beanpaht man![/quote]
So, what, he's in love with losing the Beanpot? :-D[/quote]Everyone knows you go to Harvard if you want to do that.
[quote KeithK]It's all about the Beanpaht man![/quote]
What's a "Beanpart"?
[quote jmh30][quote Will][quote KeithK][quote Trotsky][quote Omie]Not that it matters much now but Heisenberg's site just reported Brad Thiessen chose Northeastern ::wtf::[/quote]
Seems pretty weird indeed to blow off both Cornell and North Dakota for Northeastern. Maybe he really, really liked Boston.[/quote]It's all about the Beanpaht man![/quote]
So, what, he's in love with losing the Beanpot? :-D[/quote]Everyone knows you go to Harvard if you want to do that.[/quote]
As much as I love trashing Harvard, Northeastern is the true Beanpot whipping boy, given that they have less than half the Beanpot championships that the Crimson have.
[quote jtwcornell91][quote KeithK]It's all about the Beanpaht man![/quote]
What's a "Beanpart"?[/quote]Eh, shaddap! :-P
[quote Will][quote jmh30][quote Will][quote KeithK][quote Trotsky][quote Omie]Not that it matters much now but Heisenberg's site just reported Brad Thiessen chose Northeastern ::wtf::[/quote]
Seems pretty weird indeed to blow off both Cornell and North Dakota for Northeastern. Maybe he really, really liked Boston.[/quote]It's all about the Beanpaht man![/quote]
So, what, he's in love with losing the Beanpot? :-D[/quote]Everyone knows you go to Harvard if you want to do that.[/quote]
As much as I love trashing Harvard, Northeastern is the true Beanpot whipping boy, given that they have less than half the Beanpot championships that the Crimson have.[/quote]You're an embarrassment to Cornell hockey fandom. :-P
Looks like we've landed another defenseman, Justin Krueger of the Penticton Vees in the BCHL:
http://www.pentictonwesternnews.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=102&cat=40&id=604215&more=
6'2", 205lbs with 7 goals, 15 assists in 55 games played
A little more info about Justin Krueger from the Vees' website:
Valley First Vees defenseman Justin Krueger (86) has committed to Cornell University for the 2006-2007 season. Krueger recorded 7 goals and 15 assists in 55 games in his first season in the BCHL. At the recent Vees Awards Banquet Krueger was named the Vees Best Conditioned Athlete. He has been competing on the international stage for the past few seasons as a member of the German National Junior Team. This past December Krueger was part of the squad that won the Group A Division One title at the World Junior Hockey Championships in Slovenia.
Justin's father Ralph Krueger is the Coach of Team Switzerland and he guided the team to its most historic win in team history. Ralph Krueger has a special connection to Vees Head Coach Bruno Campese as well. Krueger coached Bruno in Austria where their club team would go on to win a championship. During a recent visit to Canada Ralph Krueger attended a few Penticton Vees games and also gave a talk to the team. The last few months have been exciting for the Krueger family, Justin finished first in his pool with Team Germany at the World Junior Hockey Championships and now his father has made history with Team Switzerland at the Olympics.
Oh, wow, Ralph Krueger's son is coming to Cornell! This could set up a major Swiss Connection. :-D
Interesting news about Krueger. Good size, once he fills out a little more. I love the fact that he's a coach's kid.
Here's some updated numbers -- includes tournaments games, select games, playoffs, etc. It's not complete, but I think it's pretty close. For goalies, games played is based on minutes (roughly).
Gms Gls Ast Pts
Blake Gallagher 69 36 29 65
Colin Greening 57 31 38 69
Justin Milo 56 26 21 47
Brendon Nash 53 9 34 43
Tony Romano 58 68 72 140
Joe Scali 43 21 23 44
Justin Krueger 60 7 16 23
Gms GAA SV%
Ben Scrivens 45 2.36 92.3
Troy Davenport 32 2.63 91.9
I know Romano plays in a weak league, but he's got to have some talent to put up those numbers.
[quote ebilmes]I know Romano plays in a weak league, but he's got to have some talent to put up those numbers.[/quote]
The level of play in the AJHL is cause for caution. It may take Romano longer to adjust than some of the others in his class. What's encouraging is how well he seemed to play in the Viking Cup, which was clearly a step (or two) up in competition.
Well, there will be freshmen next year who do not play or at least are not regulars. I wonder who they'll be. My money is on Romano to be one of them for the reason that ithacat stated. It is obviously an adjustment for anyone to go to the college level, but particularly guys like Romano who have been playing at such a comparatively low level. Greening was in a similar situation and he deferred and has spent the year at a much higher level than he was in last year.
Justin Kreuger-RD (3/7/06) Penticton (BCHL) 6'2 205 10-6-86 55-7-15-22-25
[quote Cop at Lynah]Justin Kreuger-RD (3/7/06) Penticton (BCHL) 6'2 205 10-6-86 55-7-15-22-25[/quote]
Is that 10x2+5 or 5x5? :-D
[quote Trotsky][quote Cop at Lynah]Justin Kreuger-RD (3/7/06) Penticton (BCHL) 6'2 205 10-6-86 55-7-15-22-25[/quote]
Is that 10x2+5 or 5x5? :-D[/quote]
In this case that's (10 x 2) + 5 if you want to be mathematically correct about it.;-)
[quote Rich S][quote Trotsky][quote Cop at Lynah]Justin Kreuger-RD (3/7/06) Penticton (BCHL) 6'2 205 10-6-86 55-7-15-22-25[/quote]
Is that 10x2+5 or 5x5? :-D[/quote]
In this case that's (10 x 2) + 5 if you want to be mathematically correct about it.;-)[/quote]
It's fine, x has precedence over +.
[quote Rich S][quote Trotsky][quote Cop at Lynah]Justin Kreuger-RD (3/7/06) Penticton (BCHL) 6'2 205 10-6-86 55-7-15-22-25[/quote]
Is that 10x2+5 or 5x5? :-D[/quote]
In this case that's (10 x 2) + 5 if you want to be mathematically correct about it.;-)[/quote]
Actually, no. In this instance, order of operation makes the parentheses redundant. As Colbert says, "Equations are the devil's sentences. The worst one is that quadratic equation: an infernal salad of letters, numbers, and symbols."
Edit: or better yet, "Facts can change, but my opinion will never change—no matter what the facts are."
Interview with Colin Greening. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=8445&mode=threaded&order=0
not wanting to sift through the both recruiting threads please forgive me if this is very old news ... but Heisenberg lists
Troy Davenport-G (2/26/06) Des Moines (USHL) 6'0 170 1-5-85 Will return to team as junior
if this is old, please disregard. it's been a while and i'm a few months behind. :-/
Functionally yes it does but I'm looking at it from the point of view of the way it is taught to middle-schoolers.
They are told to use the parentheses to remove all doubt as to the order of operation. Even high school kids get it wrong some times. :-D
[quote Rich S]They are told to use the parentheses to remove all doubt as to the order of operation. Even high school kids get it wrong some times. :-D[/quote]
And Clarkson graduates ;)
I kid, I kid... :-}
An interesting little tidbit from CHN's ECAC Notebook http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2006/03/16_ecacnotebook.php :
Quote"We've all been playing hockey since we were pretty young. I've got a little brother coming up too, so hopefully he'll be at Cornell soon." - Matt Moulson, whose sister plays for Niagara, stealing a hopeful glance at coach Schafer.
So, anyone who cares/has the time, want to look up the younger Moulson's stats to see if he's good enough? (And, for that matter, how old he is?)
This site had a very sparse profile of Chris Moulson but the team's website had someone else with his jersey number so decide for yourselves.
http://www.midwesternjrb.com/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1827&leagueID=5180&teamID=66459&playerID=161929
[quote Will]An interesting little tidbit from CHN's ECAC Notebook http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2006/03/16_ecacnotebook.php :
Quote"We've all been playing hockey since we were pretty young. I've got a little brother coming up too, so hopefully he'll be at Cornell soon." - Matt Moulson, whose sister plays for Niagara, stealing a hopeful glance at coach Schafer.
So, anyone who cares/has the time, want to look up the younger Moulson's stats to see if he's good enough? (And, for that matter, how old he is?)[/quote]
Looks like his brother is Chris, he's played this year both for the Kitchener Dutchmen of the Midwestern Jr. B and the Mount Carmel Crusaders (a secondary school).
http://www.midwesternjrb.com/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1827&leagueID=5180&teamID=66459&playerID=161929