ELynah Forum

All I have is the ECAC part of the schedule. You can guess much of the rest, but I'll try this evening to see if Sue Detzer has an update. None as of 1/7.

The ?'s are open slots where we normally could have games.

?
Fri 11/3  @Brown
Sat 11/4  @Yale
Fri 11/10 Harvard
Sat 11/11 Dartmouth
Fri 11/17 @Princeton
Sat 11/18 @Quinnipiac
?
Fri 12/1  RPI
Sat 12/2  Union
?         Florida
?
Fri 1/12  @St. Lawrence
Sat 1/13  @Clarkson
Fri 1/19  Yale
Sat 1/20  Brown
?
Fri 2/2   Clarkson
Sat 2/3   St. Lawrence
Fri 2/9   @Union
Sat 2/10  @RPI
Fri 2/16  Quinnipiac
Sat 2/17  Princeton
Fri 2/23  @Dartmouth
Sat 2/24  @Harvard

What a way to end the season! Those @ Harvard tickets will be tough to get.

So much for preformatting.

looking at the previous year and this year...
we should(?) have this game as part of home and home swaps as well.

@ RIT

teams we played this season whose home and home are done.
niagara (rochester was a niagara home game)
mich state

I wonder if a game at RIT is in the works for next year. Also of note, we never played at Canisius after the home game last year. I would like a game in buffalo :)

LGR!

Yeah, but do you want that enough to take up one of our valuable NC games with Canisius?

I suppose Colgate home-and-home will be 1/26-27 (or some such 2-day combination that week)?

I find it interesting that Harvard will be the first home game.  First home game is normally big enough anyway; seems like it'd be better to have it with a team that otherwise wouldn't draw the fans.  Whereas - Harvard will always be full.

Also - only one weekend of home games the entire fall semester???

[quote las224]I find it interesting that Harvard will be the first home game.  First home game is normally big enough anyway; seems like it'd be better to have it with a team that otherwise wouldn't draw the fans.  Whereas - Harvard will always be full.

Also - only one weekend of home games the entire fall semester???[/quote]

It's not unusual to have only one home ECAC weekend in the fall semester.  That being said, I'm guessing we'll get at least two home nonconference games as well in the fall, probably in late October and/or over Thanksgiving weekend.

Sorry about the preformatting. I'll get to that soon.

An NC pair against a decent western team would make that schedule look a lot better (in addition to what I'm guessing will be two in Florida, one return game at RIT, and two against AH teams early on).

[quote las224]

Also - only one weekend of home games the entire fall semester???[/quote]

Unless the semester ends at Thanksgiving these days or the league is kicking out RPI and Union, I see two weekeds of home conference games in Jim's schedule...

It is worth noting however that in years past the home/away ECAC weekends have sometimes flipped when the schedule is finalized as have the order of games (i.e. fri/sat). This schedule looks a little more polished than in the past though when it would just list travel partners in alphabetical order, so it may be more reliable.

This schedule is from the ECAC office, through Sue Detzer. So I'd guess it's reasonably firm. Sue had no updates as of Sat..

[quote Jim Hyla]
Fri 2/9   @Union
Sat 2/10  @RPI
Fri 2/16  Quinnipiac
Sat 2/17  Princeton
Fri 2/23  @Dartmouth
Sat 2/24  @Harvard[/PRE]
.[/quote]

If RPI can hold off Brown this year, it looks like they'll be putting a 16 year Big Red Freakout undefeated streak on the line against the Big Red next spring. I had heard that Cornell was going to be the opponent next year and this schedule would seem to confirm that as it's  been the penultimate home Saturday for a few years running (though the opponents may have played a role). The last (and only) time Cornell was the Freakout guest was in 1982- a 7-4 Cornell win.

[quote jmh30]An NC pair against a decent western team would make that schedule look a lot better (in addition to what I'm guessing will be two in Florida, one return game at RIT, and two against AH teams early on).[/quote]

Remember that we're due to play Maine in the first round in Florida next season, and UNH is also in the field.

[quote Chris '03]If RPI can hold off Brown this year, it looks like they'll be putting a 16 year Big Red Freakout undefeated streak on the line against the Big Red next spring. I had heard that Cornell was going to be the opponent next year and this schedule would seem to confirm that as it's  been the penultimate home Saturday for a few years running (though the opponents may have played a role). The last (and only) time Cornell was the Freakout guest was in 1982- a 7-4 Cornell win.[/quote]I've been told by an RPI fan that Cornell will be RPI's opponent in Official Cheer Loudly For Your Team Just This Once Each Season Day in the spring of 2007.

[quote jmh30]I've been told by an RPI fan that Cornell will be RPI's opponent in Official Cheer Loudly For Your Team Just This Once Each Season Day in the spring of 2007.[/quote]

That's still more than one can say about a lot of teams' fanbases.

[quote jtwcornell91]Remember that we're due to play Maine in the first round in Florida next season, and UNH is also in the field.[/quote]
Maine fans on USCHO are reporting the games as:
Cornell vs. UNH
Maine vs. Western Michigan

[quote Will][quote jmh30]I've been told by an RPI fan that Cornell will be RPI's opponent in Official Cheer Loudly For Your Team Just This Once Each Season Day in the spring of 2007.[/quote]

That's still more than one can say about a lot of teams' fanbases.[/quote]That's true, I suppose cheering loudly one day a year is better than cheering loudly never.  (I"m looking at you, Harvard.)

[quote jmh30][quote Chris '03]If RPI can hold off Brown this year, it looks like they'll be putting a 16 year Big Red Freakout undefeated streak on the line against the Big Red next spring. I had heard that Cornell was going to be the opponent next year and this schedule would seem to confirm that as it's  been the penultimate home Saturday for a few years running (though the opponents may have played a role). The last (and only) time Cornell was the Freakout guest was in 1982- a 7-4 Cornell win.[/quote]I've been told by an RPI fan that Cornell will be RPI's opponent in Official Cheer Loudly For Your Team Just This Once Each Season Day in the spring of 2007.[/quote] I suspect that RPI picked Cornell for next year's BRF! in order to increase the odds of the game getting televised. The 'Tute was probably hoping that this year's game against Brown would be televised. IMO this was a reasonable assumption considering last year's game was quite good. It looks like we RPI fans will have to settle for next Saturday's webcast vs. Clarkson. http://www.alumni.rpi.edu/si/hockeyspecial.html At least it is free. :-P

[quote jmh30]That's true, I suppose cheering loudly one day a year is better than cheering loudly never.  (I"m looking at you, Harvard.)[/quote]

Have you not been at Lynah East in the last couple of years?

Beeeej

one more thing, I assume that the interior construction on the rink will be done in time for the home games next year...

woowoo revenge

[quote Jim Hyla]

Fri 1/19  Yale
Sat 1/20  Brown
?
Fri 2/2   Clarkson
Sat 2/3   St. Lawrence

[/quote]

This question mark is where the Colgate home-and-home should go, no? I further assume that the Friday game is in Hamilton and the Saturday game is at home.

[quote pat][quote Jim Hyla]

Fri 1/19  Yale
Sat 1/20  Brown
?
Fri 2/2   Clarkson
Sat 2/3   St. Lawrence

[/quote]

This question mark is where the Colgate home-and-home should go, no? I further assume that the Friday game is in Hamilton and the Saturday game is at home.[/quote]THat's a likely spot, but the games have not always been on the same weekend, so? I suspect that both schools are keeping it open to look at out of conference choices.

[q]THat's a likely spot, but the games have not always been on the same weekend, so? I suspect that both schools are keeping it open to look at out of conference choices.[/q]While I'm sure the coaches would prefer to play the games as a home and home weekend set (pretty sure Schafer has been quoted saying that in the past), I'm also confident that if Red Berenson got really drunk and agreed to bring the Wolverines to Lynah that weekend (or to Lynah one night and then Starr) I guarantee thay'd move the Cornell-Colgate games.  To Tuesday nights if necessary.

[quote KeithK]I'm also confident that if Red Berenson got really drunk and agreed to bring the Wolverines to Lynah that weekend (or to Lynah one night and then Starr) I guarantee thay'd move the Cornell-Colgate games.  To Tuesday nights if necessary.[/quote]
Roger.  I'll keep an eye on the dumpsters around Ann Arbor...

[quote Robb][quote KeithK]I'm also confident that if Red Berenson got really drunk and agreed to bring the Wolverines to Lynah that weekend (or to Lynah one night and then Starr) I guarantee thay'd move the Cornell-Colgate games.  To Tuesday nights if necessary.[/quote]
Roger.  I'll keep an eye on the dumpsters around Ann Arbor...[/quote]Where's your sense of duty?  Head to AA and bring bottles of Red's favorite drink...

Quote[quote Jim Hyla]
Fri 2/9   @Union
Sat 2/10  @RPI
Fri 2/16  Quinnipiac
Sat 2/17  Princeton
Fri 2/23  @Dartmouth
Sat 2/24  @Harvard

If RPI can hold off Brown this year, it looks like they'll be putting a 16 year Big Red Freakout undefeated streak on the line against the Big Red next spring. I had heard that Cornell was going to be the opponent next year and this schedule would seem to confirm that as it's  been the penultimate home Saturday for a few years running (though the opponents may have played a role). The last (and only) time Cornell was the Freakout guest was in 1982- a 7-4 Cornell win.[/quote]
chris that yellow text is horrible on the eyes with the new software...

[quote jy3]chris that yellow text is horrible on the eyes with the new software...[/quote]

It doesn't look yellow in Firefox. :-D

[quote Will]
It doesn't look yellow in Firefox.[/quote]
Is it in Russian?

wait so coaches get to pretty much pick who their non-conference games are against (assuming the other coach agrees as well?)

If this is the case, I wish Cornell would pick higher ranked teams, because our strength of schedule just kills us in the PWR rankings

[quote mikee293]wait so coaches get to pretty much pick who their non-conference games are against (assuming the other coach agrees as well?)

If this is the case, I wish Cornell would pick higher ranked teams, because our strength of schedule just kills us in the PWR rankings[/quote]

So say we all.  Most of us, anyway.

[quote mikee293]wait so coaches get to pretty much pick who their non-conference games are against (assuming the other coach agrees as well?)

If this is the case, I wish Cornell would pick higher ranked teams, because our strength of schedule just kills us in the PWR rankings[/quote]Yes, Mike Schafer can just say "I want CC, Minnesota, Michigan, BC, Maine, North Dakota, and BU to play at Lynah this year."  Those teams are then legally bound to show up...

All snarkiness aside, I'll give a real answer on the assumption that your comment is sincere (and not snarky).  The schools do decide non-conference games on their own.  There is no NCAA scheduling body to organize non-conference games.  Scheduling non-conference games is a balancing act which has to take into account willingness of the opponents to play you, venue (everyone wants to play at home when possible) and available dates.  Cornell has disadvantages due to the late start (a lot of non-conf games are played in October when Cornell can't), limited games (Cornell plays 29 according to Ivy rules as opposed to the NCAA limit of 34) and small rink capacity (Lynah is 1/3 or 1/4 of the size of some of the biggest western arenas and those teams would rather get the big gate at home).

Well, Harvard managed to get a home and home with UND, UNH, and Maine in recent years....they haven't been scheduling the likes of RIT and Canisius ::rolleyes::

This is spot on.

This year's Michigan St. set was reasonable. I can even understand a game with RIT to help RIT fill out their D-I schedule. But Niagara and such?

There was a time where we scheduled BU every other year or so. We should be playing top tier non-conference opponents. BU/BC/UNH in the east, Mich/Minn/CC/UND in the west.

I understood when we had Western Mich because the coaching staff had solid ties to that program. But even then I thought that was pretty marginal.

It's reached the point of being silly.

Karl B. '77

[quote heykb]
There was a time where we scheduled BU every other year or so. We should be playing top tier non-conference opponents. BU/BC/UNH in the east, Mich/Minn/CC/UND in the west.[/quote]

Um, no there wasn't.  We've only played BU 8 times since the Great Divorce, 4 @ Lynah, 1 neutral site at the Syracuse Invitational, and 3 @ BU.  2 of those games were in 1989, 2 in 2002, and 2 in 2003.  So there have only been 5 seasons since 1984 that we've played BU - more like every 4 years.  We've played BU far more frequently in the last 4 years than in the 20 years before that.

[quote Robb][quote heykb]
There was a time where we scheduled BU every other year or so. We should be playing top tier non-conference opponents. BU/BC/UNH in the east, Mich/Minn/CC/UND in the west.[/quote]

Um, no there wasn't.  We've only played BU 8 times since the Great Divorce, 4 @ Lynah, 1 neutral site at the Syracuse Invitational, and 3 @ BU.  2 of those games were in 1989, 2 in 2002, and 2 in 2003.  So there have only been 5 seasons since 1984 that we've played BU - more like every 4 years.  We've played BU far more frequently in the last 4 years than in the 20 years before that.[/quote]

And they won't play us anymore after they got embarassed in the 02-03 season.

[quote bothman]Well, Harvard managed to get a home and home with UND, UNH, and Maine in recent years....they haven't been scheduling the likes of RIT and Canisius ::rolleyes::[/quote]

To be fair, you have to look at geography. Harvard has the advantage of playing in the middle of HEA country. Cornell's closest non-conference opponents are RIT, Canisius, Niagara, Mercyhurst, RMU, and Army probably. It's a far cry from BU, BC, UNH, Maine, etc.

The economics do play a role. It's easier financially to take a hit and play in a small barn on the road when it's near by than when it's cross country.

The UND series is a good pick up. They've shown a surprising willingness to play in ECAC rinks (see, Princeton & Yale a few years back. That was the series that included the ND radio guy having a fight with the fan on the air and Chris Higgins getting the gate for fighting).

[quote Robb][quote heykb]
There was a time where we scheduled BU every other year or so. We should be playing top tier non-conference opponents. BU/BC/UNH in the east, Mich/Minn/CC/UND in the west.[/quote]

Um, no there wasn't.  We've only played BU 8 times since the Great Divorce, 4 @ Lynah, 1 neutral site at the Syracuse Invitational, and 3 @ BU.  2 of those games were in 1989, 2 in 2002, and 2 in 2003.  So there have only been 5 seasons since 1984 that we've played BU - more like every 4 years.  We've played BU far more frequently in the last 4 years than in the 20 years before that.[/quote]

We did play them at Lynah in 1993 and WBA in 1995, so some of us optimistically extrapolated and were disappointed when they didn't come back in 1997.

I don't think we can dictate our non-conference slate like some seem to assume we can, but I wish we could get the BU rivalry restarted on a more regular basis, and I'm hoping Schafer and Sandelin came away from the Florida tournament with a good enough vibe to get something started with tUMD.

ANd on the flip side, the chances of restarting something with Michigan State seem long as I can imagine Schaefer's repore with their coaching staff is not so hot.

but awesome win percentage has gotten us in in past years.....

"I'll give a real answer on the assumption that your comment is sincere (and not snarky)"


it was sincere.....but i guess poorly worded haha

Prepare to be really depressed...  :-/

Since 1985 (when there were reasonable Eastern non-conference opponents to play), Cornell has only played 26 non-conference games against teams that made the NCAA tournament, my arbitrary criteria for what is a "good" team.  That's 26 in 21 seasons, for 1.24 per season.  That's pretty sad, but not depressing.

The depressing part is that in those 26 games, we've gone 4-20-2.  Yep.  For those of you scoring at home, that's 0.192.  Our wins were BU twice in 2003, BU in 2002, and OSU in 2003.  We managed ties against Maine in 2000 and Michigan in 1997.  The only years that we've had more than 2 NC games against tourney teams were 2003 (3-2-0) and 1996 (0-3-0).

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.   ::yark:: ::barf::

Wow is all I have to say.  Someone should send that stat to Schafer.  Almost unbelievable.  Maybe that starts to give the EZAC chants a little more credence and provides a solid backdrop for an ECAC team not winning it all since Harvard did in 1989.

[quote jtwcornell91]{BU stuff snipped}

I don't think we can dictate our non-conference slate like some seem to assume we can, but I wish we could get the BU rivalry restarted on a more regular basis, and I'm hoping Schafer and Sandelin came away from the Florida tournament with a good enough vibe to get something started with tUMD.[/quote]

I think this gets to the heart of the matter. A sustained non-conference rivalry would be very good for the program. But it needs to be a suitable opponent. It doesn't make sense for it to be a doormat; that's not a rivalry. Having Maine show up at the Fla tourney every year is a good start, and I thought tOSU might have been on that track as well.

We could use a BU or UND or UMich weekend every year, alternating locations. I'm sure it's not a slam dunk to arrange but somehow there's gotta be a way.

Karl B. '77

[quote heykb]This is spot on.

This year's Michigan St. set was reasonable. I can even understand a game with RIT to help RIT fill out their D-I schedule. But Niagara and such?

There was a time where we scheduled BU every other year or so. We should be playing top tier non-conference opponents. BU/BC/UNH in the east, Mich/Minn/CC/UND in the west.

I understood when we had Western Mich because the coaching staff had solid ties to that program. But even then I thought that was pretty marginal.

It's reached the point of being silly.

Karl B. '77[/quote]

Well put.

Even with WMU, at least it was against a Big 4 team, who thus has a better chance (than AH/CHA) of having a NCAA season, and gives us a CO-OP for the PWR.  An Army/SHU/Niagara/etc weekend does nothing along those lines.

[quote Robb]Prepare to be really depressed...  :-/

Since 1985 (when there were reasonable Eastern non-conference opponents to play), Cornell has only played 26 non-conference games against teams that made the NCAA tournament, my arbitrary criteria for what is a "good" team.  That's 26 in 21 seasons, for 1.24 per season.  That's pretty sad, but not depressing.

The depressing part is that in those 26 games, we've gone 4-20-2.  Yep.  For those of you scoring at home, that's 0.192.  Our wins were BU twice in 2003, BU in 2002, and OSU in 2003.  We managed ties against Maine in 2000 and Michigan in 1997.  The only years that we've had more than 2 NC games against tourney teams were 2003 (3-2-0) and 1996 (0-3-0).

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.   ::yark:: ::barf::[/quote]

Is it really fair to go all the way back to 1985?  Why not limit attention to the Schafer era (which is also the last 10 seasons), which includes all the non-losses?

It may not be fair, but I've got the data: http://www.tbrw.info/cornellHistory/nonECAC.html

[quote heykb]

We could use a BU or UND or UMich weekend every year, alternating locations. I'm sure it's not a slam dunk to arrange but somehow there's gotta be a way.

Karl B. '77[/quote]

Agreed. Granted, Cornell's not dealing from a position of strength but it should be an attractive rivalry candidate, nonetheless.

I'd love to see an annual weekend with Michigan. Give those NTDP kids every chance possible to see Cornell play, plus it's driveable. Otherwise, either Wisconsin or BU (the red rivalry) would be great. Though I'd be thrilled with any of the following: Denver, CC, Minny, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Michigan, BU, BC, or New Hamphsire.

Ah, to dream...

[quote mikee293]"I'll give a real answer on the assumption that your comment is sincere (and not snarky)"


it was sincere.....but i guess poorly worded haha[/quote]Not necessarily...I'm just used to me being snarky that I see it everywhere. :-D

[quote Chris '03][quote bothman]Well, Harvard managed to get a home and home with UND, UNH, and Maine in recent years....they haven't been scheduling the likes of RIT and Canisius ::rolleyes::[/quote]

To be fair, you have to look at geography. Harvard has the advantage of playing in the middle of HEA country. Cornell's closest non-conference opponents are RIT, Canisius, Niagara, Mercyhurst, RMU, and Army probably. It's a far cry from BU, BC, UNH, Maine, etc.

The economics do play a role. It's easier financially to take a hit and play in a small barn on the road when it's near by than when it's cross country.

The UND series is a good pick up. They've shown a surprising willingness to play in ECAC rinks (see, Princeton & Yale a few years back. That was the series that included the ND radio guy having a fight with the fan on the air and Chris Higgins getting the gate for fighting).[/quote]

And also with the geography - Boston is a more attractive road trip for teams then Ithaca.  I have no idea how Clarkson/SLU gets some of those programs to go into the North Country though.

I don't think we should go on the road though to play top teams if they're not willing to return the trip.  It's not like we're a mid-major team in hoops.  We're nationally ranked year-in, year-out, help out another team's strength of schedule, etc.  I would love to see us play Wisconsin or Michigan or such - but we shouldn't have to always go out there.  tOSU may be one of the better options out there for us.

I would settle for a home and home series with a rotating Hockey East team each season.  I don't see why that's not doable - even if it's UMass or UML to start with.  Actually maybe some scheduling lessons could be learned from our lacrosse team which I think does a reasonable job in getting some top tier teams and some 'easier' games.

I think the problem of scheduling HE teams lies within most HE teams usually already have ECAC teams that they play year in-year out.
  Harvard plays in the Beanpot which takes up 2 games of BC, BU, and NE.  This leaves each team with up to 8 NC games left of which 2 are usually taken up by holiday tournament leaving 6 games.  Of those 6 games BC and BU usually have a series against a WCHA team being top conference in east versus top in west.  This leaves only 4 games left for us to schedule a game against them.  Of those 4 games, BC and BU are best of getting teams from CHA, CCHA, and AHA to gain the most in the COP category.  As you can see this leaves us lying on the outside in.  Can we work ourselves into one of those NC games probably but it will be hard and you cant expect it every year.
  Out of the other HE teams that will help our RPI and PWR rankings are probably just Maine and UNH.  Maine is in our holiday tournament so we can through them out since playing the same team 3 times will not help you gain COPs.  So this leaves UNH.  UNH, I believe is going to play Dartmouth every year so there is one ECAC team for them.  This is our best shot I think of getting an good HE to play us during the regular season.  The only problem with UNH is I can see them more inclined to play against SLU since the travel is easier.

Out of the top 4 teams in the HE, you can see already have ECAC foes to play against every year so I think it is unlikely that we get one of these teams to play us outside the Florida tourney.  I think we should play more HE opponents but I think it will be likely UMass or UML.  I would like to have us play Vermont as our HE opponent but I think UMass and UML would be easier to schedule.

The other conferences I dont nearly as much as who usually plays against whom in the ECAC.  I think we can easily rule out the two Alaskan teams.  I think this year, we should of tried to take one of SCSU against Colgate games to play us and remove one of the weaker games.  This would of helped considerably.  Also I wonder why we never team up with Colgate to play a larger variety of OOC opponents since we could play 2 different ones a weekend here.

[quote bothman]Wow is all I have to say.  Someone should send that stat to Schafer.  Almost unbelievable.  Maybe that starts to give the EZAC chants a little more credence and provides a solid backdrop for an ECAC team not winning it all since Harvard did in 1989.[/quote]
So how does Harvard's record look in this analysis?  You must know, because surely you wouldn't come in here ripping on Cornell's record unless you already knew Harvard's was significantly better, right?  ::whistle::

[quote Robb]
So how does Harvard's record look in this analysis?  You must know, because surely you wouldn't come in here ripping on Cornell's record unless you already knew Harvard's was significantly better, right?  ::whistle::[/quote]
I'm sure bothman will point with pride to Harvard's superb NCAA tournament record over the past four years as evidence of how well their difficult out-of-conference schedule has served them. ::worry::

[quote TCHL8842]Also I wonder why we never team up with Colgate to play a larger variety of OOC opponents since we could play 2 different ones a weekend here.[/quote]

We did that in 2003-2004 (and presumably the year before) with Ohio State and Bowling Green.  Not sure if it helps or hinders us to play a team twice - on one hand, we're better in the second half of the season when we see all the ECAC teams for the second time, but on the other, recent evidence in weekend series with, oh, Michigan State has us doing worse in the second game.

Harvard has not performed as well in the NCAAs as Cornell, but that is because Cornell has been better than Harvard.  I think Cornell had the talent and the coaching to weld that talent to win the NCAAs in prior years, but I honestly believe that Cornell's non-conference schedule hindered them...if nothing else, but to see the quality out West as a motivating factor at an early point in the season.

Harvard has continually been able to schedule non-conference teams.  Yes, being in Boston helps with the scheduling of BU and BC, but getting games with Maine, North Dakota, and Michigan in recent years is something Cornell should be able to achieve as well.  Hearing Big Mike and Cornell fans say that they want to help promote hockey by scheduling RIT and Canisius is such a joke and laughable.

Why do guys like Al Deflorio get so defensive (1989 maybe?) I have nothing but respect for Cornell's program.  I just think their non-conference schedule reflects a team from Atlantic Hockey as opposed to one of the best programs in the East.  The sad thing is that now that Cornell is experiencing a little more parity, an early exit from the ECAC tourney or some stumbles down the home stretch in the regular season, may cause the Big Red to miss the dance.  That would be a shame.....

I also think that Harvard's ability to get teams like north dakato to come east is influenced by the amount of high school-prep school hockey talent. The coaches get to do some recruiting and the high school kids get an opportunity to see a team that is interested in them play live. Granted there is good hockey talent in central new york, it is just much more concentrated in boston. Teams can schedule 2 games, versus two different teams (and leagues) without changing hotels and driving more than 30 miles.

I would like to see cornell and colgate (maybe even niagara?) work together and try and bring teams from the in for a 2 game set, one at each barn. Colgate usually has a good record, and niagara is at the top of the cha (thus would be a game with a potential TUC team). However, i do agree with coach in that if our team travels out west, they should return the visit.

[quote Robb][quote heykb]
There was a time where we scheduled BU every other year or so. We should be playing top tier non-conference opponents. BU/BC/UNH in the east, Mich/Minn/CC/UND in the west.[/quote]

Um, no there wasn't.  We've only played BU 8 times since the Great Divorce, 4 @ Lynah, 1 neutral site at the Syracuse Invitational, and 3 @ BU.  2 of those games were in 1989, 2 in 2002, and 2 in 2003.  So there have only been 5 seasons since 1984 that we've played BU - more like every 4 years.  We've played BU far more frequently in the last 4 years than in the 20 years before that.[/quote]
Some of us have memories that go back more than 20 years to before "the Great Divorce."  The WAS a time when we scheduled them every year and met them in the post season once, or even twice, in many of those years, but they weren't non-conference games then.

[quote bothman]Harvard has continually been able to schedule non-conference teams.  Yes, being in Boston helps with the scheduling of BU and BC, but getting games with Maine, North Dakota, and Michigan in recent years is something Cornell should be able to achieve as well.[/quote]
Well, as written, that sentence is correct.  But if you meant to say "good" non-conference teams, I have to disagree.  Since '99 (the earliest year I have available from USCHO), Harvard has gone 4-14-2 vs non-conference teams that made the NCAA tournament.  However, precisely *4* of those games were vs teams not named BU or BC: 2 at CC in '01, 1 at Michigan in '02, and 1 vs Maine in '05.  I can't count the NoDak games just yet, because we don't know if they'll make the tourney this year or not.  But even counting them, that means that Harvard's been able to schedule good non-conference teams not in their back yard 4 times in the last 7 seasons (and you're about the closest decent non-conference team to Maine, so that one's a little iffy).  Whoop-de-do.  Way to go Harvard - really pulling your weight there.

Gosh, let's all bow down to the scheduling capabilities of the Harvard athletics office.  Let's all strive to be as wonderful as they are.  Thank goodness they've been around to improve the image of the ECAC, or we really would be the EZAC.

[quote David Harding]Some of us have memories that go back more than 20 years to before "the Great Divorce."  The WAS a time when we scheduled them every year and met them in the post season once, or even twice, in many of those years, but they weren't non-conference games then.[/quote]
Yes, but that's irrelevant to the discussion about the non-conference teams that we're able to schedule in today's environment.  Today's environment has only existed since 1985, so that's the logical cutoff.

[quote Robb][quote David Harding]Some of us have memories that go back more than 20 years to before "the Great Divorce."  The WAS a time when we scheduled them every year and met them in the post season once, or even twice, in many of those years, but they weren't non-conference games then.[/quote]
Yes, but that's irrelevant to the discussion about the non-conference teams that we're able to schedule in today's environment.  Today's environment has only existed since 1985, so that's the logical cutoff.[/quote]I agree, and I tried to point that that out in my comment that weren't non-conference games.  But Karl B. '77 and I ('72) do remember a time when the games with BU were regular, however irrelevant that fact may be.

[quote David Harding]But Karl B. '77 and I ('72) do remember a time when the games with BU were regular, however irrelevant that fact may be.[/quote]
And some of us pre-date the 3/11/66 ECAC semi-final when Cornell and BU resumed (more accurate to say really "started") their rivalry after a 40-year hiatus.

[Greg, the first two games with BU were in the 1924-25 and 1925-26 seasons, both apparently in Ithaca, according to the media guide.]

Robb's 4-20-2 statistic omits two wins over future tournament teams in 2003-04. At the Everblades College Classic, Cornell beat tournament-bound Notre Dame and Ohio State.

6 wins is a little better than 4.

My memories of Cornell hockey actually go back earlier than my class suggests.  As a townie, I attended occasional games from about the second season in Lynah and listened to Sam Woodside and Don Martin broadcast the games on WHCU-FM.

Craig,

I assume you're right - the spreadsheet where I tabulated it is at work, however, so I'm not sure how I missed those.

Thanks,

Robb

The following is extracted from a message from the RPI Alumni Cooordinator a while back. It shows that Cornell will indeed by the BRF! opponent next year. I don't know how likely it is that the game will actually be on ESPN-U, but at least it's being looked into.[q]We are working with ESPN-U, the new university sports channel from ESPN, to carrying the 30th Anniversary of the Big Red Freakout game against Cornell in February 2007.  We have also asked ESPN-U to hold the RPI vs. Clarkson game on Friday, January 19, 2007.[/q]

when do we find out who are Non Conference games are against?

any new info?

This is speculation, not information, but if the first scheduled conference game is Friday 11/3, and there's typically a game or two (nonconference or exhibition) the weekend before that, I'm guessing we're looking at Red/White on Saturday, 10/21.  (It can't be before the 10/15 official start date, right?  Because Saturday, 10/14 is Homecoming and football against Toothpaste, which would be good for R/W attendance; 10/21 the football team is at Brown.)

Anyway, assuming Red/White is Saturday, 10/21, that's only 209 days away.  *sigh*

The other big question - Where will this take place?

[quote miniteam8s]The other big question - Where will this take place?[/quote]

The building may be ready by season's start, but I wouldn't think that's likely.  Lynah should be ready by January.  The fall semester games will probably be played in a "nearby" rink, like Elmira, Binghamton or Syracuse.

I wonder if some of the second tier Hockey East teams (no disrespect intended) would be reasonable candidates to beef up schedule strength at least somewhat.  Vermont?  Mass-Lowell (most years, not always)?  Providence?  Schafer worked with Colgate's coach, right?  I think it's more exciting when you play different teams each night, so maybe partnering with them is a possibility down the line.  That said, Schafer has done a pretty good job of preparing the team for the tourney (and getting into the tourney) so although I've been an advocate of moving towards a tougher OOC schedule where possible, it's hard to argue with the results.

I think that's a good idea. If nothing else just to be interesting. If we can't get a schedule with the western powerhouses (ND, Minn, Wisc, Mich, MSU, etc) or the eastern ones (BU, BC, UNH, Maine, etc) in some years, then I certainly wouldn't object to a home and home agreement with a 'mid-level' team. Heck, we may even catch a Providence, UVM, Ferris, UNO, etc on an up year or two. We've done it before (Western Mich, although I realize there were deeper connections there).

You're right, we can't argue with the results. But it'd be fun to see the different matchups. Especially if it was PC or some away series I could make :).

Looking forward, now would be a good time to try to angle for games against Wisconsin.  After that NCAA game, we would be a great draw out there, and it would be a much-anticipated rematch.  A pair there for a pair here would be best, but I'd even take just a pair there.  Cornell's proven themselves to be tier one.  The more tier one teams they can get on the schedule, the better.

[quote Trotsky]Looking forward, now would be a good time to try to angle for games against Wisconsin.  After that NCAA game, we would be a great draw out there, and it would be a much-anticipated rematch.  A pair there for a pair here would be best, but I'd even take just a pair there.  Cornell's proven themselves to be tier one.  The more tier one teams they can get on the schedule, the better.[/quote]

I think we should suck it up and go west without reciprocity at least once even if only to have ammunition with other fans.  Hell, we might just get the road bonus in RPI.  With Lynah under construction we have to hit the road anyway although it's too late to do much scheduling now.

[quote nyc94]I think we should suck it up and go west without reciprocity at least once even if only to have ammunition with other fans.  Hell, we might just get the road bonus in RPI.  With Lynah under construction we have to hit the road anyway although it's too late to do much scheduling now.[/quote]

Yep, it's almost certainly too late to get on any tier one schedule for 06-07, and maybe even for 07-08.  I'd love to see Cornell and Colgate do a traveling pair to Denver/CC, for example.  If there's any way of making any of this happen within budget, Schafer will work it.

[quote Trotsky]Yep, it's almost certainly too late to get on any tier one schedule for 06-07, and maybe even for 07-08.  I'd love to see Cornell and Colgate do a traveling pair to Denver/CC, for example.  If there's any way of making any of this happen within budget, Schafer will work it.[/quote]

Get SC Johnson to donate the corporate jet again (I think it was '02 that they used the jet to ferry recruiters to the Johnson school).

[quote nyc94]Get SC Johnson to donate the corporate jet again (I think it was '02 that they used the jet to ferry recruiters to the Johnson school).[/quote]

Hey, Ned flew his team in a jet called "Above it All." :-)

I suppose a home-and-home with MTU wouldn't do much for our schedule strength, but at least we have connections there.

[quote Trotsky]Yep, it's almost certainly too late to get on any tier one schedule for 06-07, and maybe even for 07-08.  I'd love to see Cornell and Colgate do a traveling pair to Denver/CC, for example.  If there's any way of making any of this happen within budget, Schafer will work it.[/quote]

Is travel budget much of an issue?  Serious question as I have no idea.  It seems just about every other Cornell team finds money to hit the road.  What is it costing for the baseball and softball teams to spend a week on the road during Spring Break?  Or the basketball team to go to west coast over winter break?  Does hockey have to budget for possible NCAA travel costs?

[quote nyc94][quote Trotsky]Yep, it's almost certainly too late to get on any tier one schedule for 06-07, and maybe even for 07-08.  I'd love to see Cornell and Colgate do a traveling pair to Denver/CC, for example.  If there's any way of making any of this happen within budget, Schafer will work it.[/quote]

Is travel budget much of an issue?  Serious question as I have no idea.  It seems just about every other Cornell team finds money to hit the road.  What is it costing for the baseball and softball teams to spend a week on the road during Spring Break?  Or the basketball team to go to west coast over winter break?  Does hockey have to budget for possible NCAA travel costs?[/quote]Hockey does go to Florida over winter break.  And it's one of the few teams that has to at least consider the possibility of multiple post-season games.

I don't think NCAAs are really an issue. Teams get a cut for making the NCAAs, which probably more than makes up for travel. At least it works that way in basketball.

[quote Robb]Prepare to be really depressed...  :-/

The depressing part is that in those 26 games, we've gone 4-20-2.  Yep.  For those of you scoring at home, that's 0.192.  Our wins were BU twice in 2003, BU in 2002, and OSU in 2003.  We managed ties against Maine in 2000 and Michigan in 1997.  The only years that we've had more than 2 NC games against tourney teams were 2003 (3-2-0) and 1996 (0-3-0).

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.   ::yark:: ::barf::[/quote]

Didn't we beat Mich St and Maine this past year?

[quote MCH '94][quote Robb]Prepare to be really depressed...  :-/

The depressing part is that in those 26 games, we've gone 4-20-2.  Yep.  For those of you scoring at home, that's 0.192.  Our wins were BU twice in 2003, BU in 2002, and OSU in 2003.  We managed ties against Maine in 2000 and Michigan in 1997.  The only years that we've had more than 2 NC games against tourney teams were 2003 (3-2-0) and 1996 (0-3-0).

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.   ::yark:: ::barf::[/quote]

Didn't we beat Mich St and Maine this past year?[/quote]


I believe we split w/MSU and didn't play Maine in Estero.

[quote Townie][quote MCH '94][quote Robb]Prepare to be really depressed...  :-/

The depressing part is that in those 26 games, we've gone 4-20-2.  Yep.  For those of you scoring at home, that's 0.192.  Our wins were BU twice in 2003, BU in 2002, and OSU in 2003.  We managed ties against Maine in 2000 and Michigan in 1997.  The only years that we've had more than 2 NC games against tourney teams were 2003 (3-2-0) and 1996 (0-3-0).

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.   ::yark:: ::barf::[/quote]

Didn't we beat Mich St and Maine this past year?[/quote]


I believe we split w/MSU and didn't play Maine in Estero.[/quote]

Also, Robb made that list before the NCAA field was set.

[quote David Harding]Hockey does go to Florida over winter break.  And it's one of the few teams that has to at least consider the possibility of multiple post-season games.[/quote]

For some reason I had temporarily forgotten about Florida.  Probably because we go every year it doesn't stand out.  Are we locked into this thing in perpetuity?

[quote nyc94][quote David Harding]Hockey does go to Florida over winter break.  And it's one of the few teams that has to at least consider the possibility of multiple post-season games.[/quote]

For some reason I had temporarily forgotten about Florida.  Probably because we go every year it doesn't stand out.  Are we locked into this thing in perpetuity?[/quote]We are the co-host, so yes we're "locked" into it.  I don't know if there's a contract or anything but I suspect we will continue as long as it's somewhat successful and continues to attract good teams.

[quote KeithK][quote nyc94][quote David Harding]Hockey does go to Florida over winter break.  And it's one of the few teams that has to at least consider the possibility of multiple post-season games.[/quote]

For some reason I had temporarily forgotten about Florida.  Probably because we go every year it doesn't stand out.  Are we locked into this thing in perpetuity?[/quote]We are the co-host, so yes we're "locked" into it.  I don't know if there's a contract or anything but I suspect we will continue as long as it's somewhat successful and continues to attract good teams.[/quote]
I heard a rumor about two years ago that RPI will be at the Florida tourney in 07-08, however these things have a habit of changing over a period of several years. If RPI is going, there goes the run of "good teams". :-/

[quote ursaminor]I heard a rumor about two years ago that RPI will be at the Florida tourney in 07-08, however these things have a habit of changing over a period of several years. If RPI is going, there goes the run of "good teams". :-/[/quote]

By then, who knows -- RPI may be having a renaissance under a new coach.

The budget issue isn't so much about the cost of travel, but the opportunity cost of forgoing home games.  Schafer has said flat out that we need as many home games as possible to make ends meet.

My answer to which is, 32-29=3.  3 more free dates, if someone can shoehorn apart the Ivy presidents' asscheeks and remove the stick from their collective butts.

[quote Trotsky][quote ursaminor]I heard a rumor about two years ago that RPI will be at the Florida tourney in 07-08, however these things have a habit of changing over a period of several years. If RPI is going, there goes the run of "good teams". :-/[/quote]

By then, who knows -- RPI may be having a renaissance under a new coach.[/quote] Well, I hope that is the case, but if I said so it would arouse the woofing Gods.

[quote Trotsky]My answer to which is, 32-29=3.  3 more free dates, if someone can shoehorn apart the Ivy presidents' asscheeks and remove the stick from their collective butts.[/quote] The problem about OOC games is that you have to find opponents. With the other conferences having fewer OOC dates available, you might have trouble filling the slots even if you were allowed to have them. Note that RPI, UC, QU, and 'Gate had to schedule a tourney among themselves for next season. I suspect that this is because both the HEA and the AHA are playing more league games. IMO, besides for allowing RPI to play at the Pepsi, which they haven't been able to do since the ECAC tourney moved from LP, it doesn't serve much of a useful purpose.

[quote ursaminor]The problem about OOC games is that you have to find opponents. With the other conferences having fewer OOC dates available, you might have trouble filling the slots even if you were allowed to have them. Note that RPI, UC, QU, and 'Gate had to schedule a tourney among themselves for next season. I suspect that this is because both the HEA and the AHA are playing more league games. IMO, besides for allowing RPI to play at the Pepsi, which they haven't been able to do since the ECAC tourney moved from LP, it doesn't serve much of a useful purpose.[/quote]

I was going to suggest start by adding one game (30) plus allow the season to start one week earlier for scheduling flexibility.

[quote nyc94]I was going to suggest start by adding one game (30) plus allow the season to start one week earlier for scheduling flexibility.[/quote]

The early start would actually be more of a boon than adding games.  Our problem is that the other conferences have a big chunk of their NC games in October, because their regular seasons run so long.  Moving the season up two weeks would give us more of a shot at major conference opponents than adding two games.

Being greedy, I want both.  I like the idea of helping out the mino conferences, but it hurts in PWR, and from everything I gather it will hurt more when they finally adopt a modified KRACH.

[quote nyc94]Get SC Johnson to donate the corporate jet again (I think it was '02 that they used the jet to ferry recruiters to the Johnson school).[/quote]I've actually been on one of their planes (as a Michigan MBA)!  Weird feeling, it was me and maybe three other kids.  I didn't take the job.  The jack in i-banking is too hard to turn down.  Racine is kind of an interesting town, though.

[quote jtwcornell91]I suppose a home-and-home with MTU wouldn't do much for our schedule strength, but at least we have connections there.[/quote]And if we don't screw it up, it would be good for COpp.

So when is the OOC schedule announced?  If the teams are already set for 06-07 and 07-08, then what's the big secret?

[quote ugarte]And if we don't screw it (game against MTU) up, it would be good for COpp.[/quote]
Exactly.  If we go 1-0 vs MTU, then every time their skating blind squirrels find a WCHA nut, bully for us.

[quote Robb][quote ugarte]And if we don't screw it (game against MTU) up, it would be good for COpp.[/quote]
Exactly.  If we go 1-0 vs MTU, then every time their skating blind squirrels find a WCHA nut, bully for us.[/quote]

OTOH, if we go 1-0, we only get one win on our ComOpp and every WZHA team that doesn't screw it up gets four.

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Robb][quote ugarte]And if we don't screw it (game against MTU) up, it would be good for COpp.[/quote]
Exactly.  If we go 1-0 vs MTU, then every time their skating blind squirrels find a WCHA nut, bully for us.[/quote]

OTOH, if we go 1-0, we only get one win on our ComOpp and every WZHA team that doesn't screw it up gets four.[/quote]Damn you and your blasted mathematics!

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Robb][quote ugarte]And if we don't screw it (game against MTU) up, it would be good for COpp.[/quote]
Exactly.  If we go 1-0 vs MTU, then every time their skating blind squirrels find a WCHA nut, bully for us.[/quote]

OTOH, if we go 1-0, we only get one win on our ComOpp and every WZHA team that doesn't screw it up gets four.[/quote]

But we tie with a 1.000 winning percentage

[quote Jacob '06][quote jtwcornell91][quote Robb][quote ugarte]And if we don't screw it (game against MTU) up, it would be good for COpp.[/quote]
Exactly.  If we go 1-0 vs MTU, then every time their skating blind squirrels find a WCHA nut, bully for us.[/quote]

OTOH, if we go 1-0, we only get one win on our ComOpp and every WZHA team that doesn't screw it up gets four.[/quote]

But we tie with a 1.000 winning percentage[/quote]JTW's point was that if the two teams have only one other COpp, and each lose that lone game, we will be at .500 but the WZHA teams will be .800.

RPI has released its schedule http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=hockey RPI is playing SLU, not Cornell, in the Freakout!

[quote ursaminor]RPI has released its schedule http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=hockey RPI is playing SLU, not Cornell, in the Freakout![/quote]

Well we *are* there the second to last Saturday, which was the basis for the speculation. Whats the reason for changing the Freakout timing?!? I know... they're just chicken :-P

[quote DeltaOne81][quote ursaminor]RPI has released its schedule http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=hockey RPI is playing SLU, not Cornell, in the Freakout![/quote]

Well we *are* there the second to last Saturday, which was the basis for the speculation. Whats the reason for changing the Freakout timing?!? I know... they're just chicken :-P[/quote]

The Freakout! has been on other weekends in the past, however recently it seemed to have settled down to the same weekend. Here is the history courtesy of Kurt Stutt: http://www.augenblick.org/rpi/h_brf.html. As to being afraid of Cornell, RPI did take 3 of 4 points last year, although clearly Cornell had the superior team.

[quote DeltaOne81][quote ursaminor]RPI has released its schedule http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=hockey RPI is playing SLU, not Cornell, in the Freakout![/quote]

Well we *are* there the second to last Saturday, which was the basis for the speculation. Whats the reason for changing the Freakout timing?!? I know... they're just chicken :-P[/quote]Redhawks, chickens, same difference.  :-}

[quote DeltaOne81][quote ursaminor]RPI has released its schedule http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=hockey RPI is playing SLU, not Cornell, in the Freakout![/quote]

Well we *are* there the second to last Saturday, which was the basis for the speculation. Whats the reason for changing the Freakout timing?!? I know... they're just chicken :-P[/quote]

It's tempting to make a snotty comment about them not wa nting to break their whatever-year-long unbeaten streak, but it isn't as if Cornell would have busted it up last year, at least.  :`(

Edit: Ursa beat me to it. ;-)

[quote Trotsky][quote DeltaOne81][quote ursaminor]RPI has released its schedule http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=hockey RPI is playing SLU, not Cornell, in the Freakout![/quote]

Well we *are* there the second to last Saturday, which was the basis for the speculation. Whats the reason for changing the Freakout timing?!? I know... they're just chicken :-P[/quote]

It's tempting to make a snotty comment about them not wa nting to break their whatever-year-long unbeaten streak, but it isn't as if Cornell would have busted it up last year, at least.  :`(

Edit: Ursa beat me to it. ;-)[/quote]

There's little mystery to it:
a) Cornell is the tougher opponent in most years, recent results notwithstanding
b) Freakout more or less fills the RPI blimp hangar and so does Cornell, so RPI makes them separate events

[quote billhoward][quote Trotsky][quote DeltaOne81][quote ursaminor]RPI has released its schedule http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=hockey RPI is playing SLU, not Cornell, in the Freakout![/quote]

Well we *are* there the second to last Saturday, which was the basis for the speculation. Whats the reason for changing the Freakout timing?!? I know... they're just chicken :-P[/quote]

It's tempting to make a snotty comment about them not wa nting to break their whatever-year-long unbeaten streak, but it isn't as if Cornell would have busted it up last year, at least.  :`(

Edit: Ursa beat me to it. ;-)[/quote]

There's little mystery to it:
a) Cornell is the tougher opponent in most years, recent results notwithstanding
b) Freakout more or less fills the RPI blimp hangar and so does Cornell, so RPI makes them separate events[/quote] The first statement is true, but how does one explain recent Freakout! games vs. Clarkson if the reason is to increase attendance at poorly attended games?


Just for the record, although it is widely rumored that the HFH was once a blimp hangar, indeed that is what I heard when I was a student, it actually had a more mundane first life as a Navy warehouse in Rhode Island  http://www.lib.rpi.edu/dept/library/html/Archives/buildings/houston_fieldhouse.html.

[quote ursaminor][quote billhoward][quote Trotsky][quote DeltaOne81][quote ursaminor]RPI has released its schedule http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=hockey RPI is playing SLU, not Cornell, in the Freakout![/quote]

Well we *are* there the second to last Saturday, which was the basis for the speculation. Whats the reason for changing the Freakout timing?!? I know... they're just chicken :-P[/quote]

It's tempting to make a snotty comment about them not wa nting to break their whatever-year-long unbeaten streak, but it isn't as if Cornell would have busted it up last year, at least.  :`(

Edit: Ursa beat me to it. ;-)[/quote]

There's little mystery to it:
a) Cornell is the tougher opponent in most years, recent results notwithstanding
b) Freakout more or less fills the RPI blimp hangar and so does Cornell, so RPI makes them separate events[/quote] The first statement is true, but how does one explain recent Freakout! games vs. Clarkson if the reason is to increase attendance at poorly attended games?


Just for the record, although it is widely rumored that the HFH was once a blimp hangar, indeed that is what I heard when I was a student, it actually had a more mundane first life as a Navy warehouse in Rhode Island  http://www.lib.rpi.edu/dept/library/html/Archives/buildings/houston_fieldhouse.html.[/quote]

Right. The shape is wrong for everything except low-rider blimps. Some people who've heard of its origin expect to see a huge corrugated aluminum half-tube, since Davisville, RI, from whence it came, is also the nearest town to the Quonset Point Naval Air Station.

(Boy, are we grasping at straws waiting for the red-white game. Or is white-red game? Maybe that merits its own thread ... )

Have the OOC games been announced?

There's info about who we're playing in this thread:
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,94948,94948#msg-94948

I haven't seen actual dates for the games.

RIT announced their schedule and a trip to Ithaca is listed for October 28th. Oddly, in the press release there is no mention of Cornell being one of the Tigers' OOC opponents.

http://www.ritathletics.com/News/mhock/2006/7/10/mhock071006.asp?path=mhock

Will the iCal calendar be updated to reflect this year's schedule?

Does anyone know when the Florida games will be? I want to start looking for flights now so I don't have to pay ridiculous prices like last year when I waited till late November to get them.

[quote las224]Does anyone know when the Florida games will be? I want to start looking for flights now so I don't have to pay ridiculous prices like last year when I waited till late November to get them.[/quote]

CHN says its the 29th and 30th: http://www.collegehockeynews.com/schedules/?date=20061201&de=20061231

[quote Chris '03][quote las224]Does anyone know when the Florida games will be? I want to start looking for flights now so I don't have to pay ridiculous prices like last year when I waited till late November to get them.[/quote]

CHN says its the 29th and 30th: http://www.collegehockeynews.com/schedules/?date=20061201&de=20061231[/quote]

That's what the season schedule Greg posted says too. I hope so as I already bought my tickes ;)


Btw, for hotels I'm usually a big fan of Priceline's bidding, but for Florida in December it hasn't worked so great.

However, Hotwire, which doesn't show the name of the hotel until you buy, had a great deal on their 2.5 star (on a 1-->5 scale) category in Ft Myers for that time frame.

That's weird that it's on a Friday/Saturday, isn't it?

[quote las224]That's weird that it's on a Friday/Saturday, isn't it?[/quote]
If I recall, they try to have it on the weekend every year unless it directly overlaps the holiday, in which case it gets moved to the middle of the week.  Personally I prefer it on the weekend.

They've usually had it on Sat-Sun when it's been on the weekend, not Fri-Sat. I can't see them getting great attendance for the Friday day game. (Not that the attendance is ever "great")

Just annoying b/c this year it's so close to New Year's that if I go, I'd prob be spending New Year's in Florida, which wouldn't be that much fun. We'll see, I suppose.

[Q]Just annoying b/c this year it's so close to New Year's that if I go, I'd prob be spending New Year's in Florida, which wouldn't be that much fun. We'll see, I suppose.[/Q]

Ummm... your IP lookup says you're in Tampa.

[quote DeltaOne81][Q]Just annoying b/c this year it's so close to New Year's that if I go, I'd prob be spending New Year's in Florida, which wouldn't be that much fun. We'll see, I suppose.[/Q]

Ummm... your IP lookup says you're in Tampa.[/quote]Who says las224 is having fun right now?

I'm finishing up an internship in Sarasota for the summer. The nice thing is, my work has offered me a beachfront condo for a week if I want to come on vacation down here this winter. However, for New Year's, I'd prefer to be up north with all my closest friends.

Maybe I can drag them all down here for a beach party?

[quote las224]I'm finishing up an internship in Sarasota for the summer. The nice thing is, my work has offered me a beachfront condo for a week if I want to come on vacation down here this winter. However, for New Year's, I'd prefer to be up north with all my closest friends.

Maybe I can drag them all down here for a beach party?[/quote]

Sarasota, huh? We have a place on Siesta Key, one of the most incredible beaches I have ever walked on.  Did you get a chance to visit?

so when are @harvard tickets going on sale? :P

Siesta Key was GORGEOUS. Absolutely loved it. The only other beach around that even came close was Longboat Key (a little bit north).

Anyone tried looking for the schedule on the official athetics website?  They are still showing showing the following:

2005 - 06 Men's Ice Hockey Tentative Schedule and Results
http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/sched/corn-m-hockey-sched.html

My goodness -- not only is it last season's schedule, but it also is last season's "Tentative" schedule.  You'd think that by this point you'd be able to say what happened last season.  Thank goodness for this thread and USCHO otherwise how would I figure out whether I can attend particular games?

LGR!

But I bet the wrestling site is meticulously updated.

[quote French Rage]But I bet the wrestling site is meticulously updated.[/quote]

Snark all you want, but it would've taken you about five seconds to find out that it's not:

http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/sched/corn-m-wrestl-sched.html

[quote Beeeej][quote French Rage]But I bet the wrestling site is meticulously updated.[/quote]

Snark all you want, but it would've taken you about five seconds to find out that it's not:

http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/sched/corn-m-wrestl-sched.html[/quote]

They have, however, updated their roster...as has the lacrosse team. (Note: The roster is updated as of tonight...thank you.)

Speaking of lacrosse, thanks to http://westerncollegehockey.blogspot.com/ and USHR, I learned that laxman Tommy Schmicker was a pretty good youth hockey player. Tommy, who's listed as 6'4" & 225, was pretty good in the 2002 Select 15 Festival -- coming out ranked ahead of 3 players who have been selected in the NHL draft and numerous others who currently play in big-time college programs. Too bad Tommy wasn't a d-man.

[quote crodger1]Anyone tried looking for the schedule on the official athetics website?  They are still showing showing the following:

2005 - 06 Men's Ice Hockey Tentative Schedule and Results
http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/sched/corn-m-hockey-sched.html

My goodness -- not only is it last season's schedule, but it also is last season's "Tentative" schedule.  You'd think that by this point you'd be able to say what happened last season.  Thank goodness for this thread and USCHO otherwise how would I figure out whether I can attend particular games?

LGR![/quote]

If us cheap SOB's paid $100 not $50 a year for Big Red sports webcasts then Cornell would have enough to money to improve the site ... maybe. Did President Skorton say anything about the quality of the Cornell sports site in his inaugural message, or did he stick to the tired old themes about academic excellence and a place for anybody in any course of study? Priorities, man.

[quote billhoward]If us cheap SOB's paid $100 not $50 a year for Big Red sports webcasts then Cornell would have enough to money to improve the site ... maybe. Did President Skorton say anything about the quality of the Cornell sports site in his inaugural message, or did he stick to the tired old themes about academic excellence and a place for anybody in any course of study? Priorities, man.[/quote]

"You paid $50 last year for a service that was unreliable, nonrefundable, and far inferior quality to what you used to get for free.  Pay $100 for it this year - and it might improve!"

Somehow I'm doubtin' that.

[quote Beeeej][quote French Rage]But I bet the wrestling site is meticulously updated.[/quote]

Snark all you want, but it would've taken you about five seconds to find out that it's not:

http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/sched/corn-m-wrestl-sched.html[/quote]

So: incompetent, but not biased.  I feel better.   ::help::

[quote Trotsky][quote Beeeej][quote French Rage]But I bet the wrestling site is meticulously updated.[/quote]

Snark all you want, but it would've taken you about five seconds to find out that it's not:

http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/sched/corn-m-wrestl-sched.html[/quote]

So: incompetent, but not biased.  I feel better.   ::help::[/quote]Looking at the web site and the way the less than competent AD handles many things, does anyone still wonder why we never try to host an NC$$ regional?

http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/mtt/corn-m-hockey-mtt.html
::banana:: ::banana:: ::banana:: ::banana::


The roster is up. Still waiting on the schedule

There is now a "Cornell Hockey 2006-07" calendar available on Google Calendar, for those who use it (and those who don't really should - it's wondrous and marvelous).  Just do a search for "Cornell hockey" and it'll come up, then click on "Add Calendar."  All games will then automagically insert themselves into your calendar view, in a different color than your personal calendar items.

(I'm not the one to thank... anybody want to take credit?)

[quote Beeeej]There is now a "Cornell Hockey 2006-07" calendar available on Google Calendar, for those who use it (and those who don't really should - it's wondrous and marvelous).  Just do a search for "Cornell hockey" and it'll come up, then click on "Add Calendar."  All games will then automagically insert themselves into your calendar view, in a different color than your personal calendar items.[/quote]

Very cool.  And you can change the color to red.  :-)

[quote Trotsky][quote Beeeej]There is now a "Cornell Hockey 2006-07" calendar available on Google Calendar, for those who use it (and those who don't really should - it's wondrous and marvelous).  Just do a search for "Cornell hockey" and it'll come up, then click on "Add Calendar."  All games will then automagically insert themselves into your calendar view, in a different color than your personal calendar items.[/quote]

Very cool.  And you can change the color to red.  :-)[/quote]

Indeed that's the very first thing I did.  :-)

I entered the all the Cornell games (and all the EHC Eisbären Berlin home games) into Evolution months ago. :-}

[quote jtwcornell91]Evolution[/quote]

Er?

[quote Trotsky][quote jtwcornell91]Evolution[/quote]

Er?[/quote]

http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/

Excellent. I already use Google calendar and was waiting for the eLynah iCal update :-)

I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?

-Will

[quote WillR]I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?

-Will[/quote]

FWIW, it says 1/26 on USCHO

[quote WillR]I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?

-Will[/quote]

It's been done Thursday/Saturday before (2003 comes to mind), though I don't remember the reasoning.

[quote WillR]I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?[/quote]
If they're doing it in an attempt to reduce Colgate fan drunkenness at the game, it will fail: don't these administrators know that the weekend starts on Thursday night? ;-)

Cheers,
Kyle

Today's article in the Ithaca Journal mentions that there were last minute changes to avoid conflicts with the women's team schedule. I suppose that could be why.

http://www.ithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060926/SPORTS/609260349/1006

[quote French Rage][quote WillR]I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?

-Will[/quote]

It's been done Thursday/Saturday before (2003 comes to mind), though I don't remember the reasoning.[/quote]Driving home in the snow after that bullshit overtime goal and going to work the next day was NOT fun.  :-(

[quote jmh30][quote French Rage][quote WillR]I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?

-Will[/quote]

It's been done Thursday/Saturday before (2003 comes to mind), though I don't remember the reasoning.[/quote]Driving home in the snow after that bullshit overtime goal and going to work the next day was NOT fun.  :-([/quote]

Actually, that year there wasn't snow.  There was in '02 and '04, but '03 I don't recall any.

[quote French Rage][quote jmh30][quote French Rage][quote WillR]I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?

-Will[/quote]

It's been done Thursday/Saturday before (2003 comes to mind), though I don't remember the reasoning.[/quote]Driving home in the snow after that bullshit overtime goal and going to work the next day was NOT fun.  :-([/quote]

Actually, that year there wasn't snow.  There was in '02 and '04, but '03 I don't recall any.[/quote]

Whether there was snow or not, I thought the goal was good. I swear I saw it go in just under the post and bound right back out. But, who knows.

[quote WillR]I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?
[/quote]

Whatever the reason, it eliminates anybody who comes in from out of town for a weekend.

[quote DeltaOne81][quote French Rage][quote jmh30][quote French Rage][quote WillR]I was looking at the schedule and noticed the Colgate game dates.  Does anyone know why the away Colgate game is on a THURSDAY, 1/25?  This surely is not being done to improve class attendance at Colgate.  Do any conspiracy theorists or creative thinkers have any idea about this odd timing?

-Will[/quote]

It's been done Thursday/Saturday before (2003 comes to mind), though I don't remember the reasoning.[/quote]Driving home in the snow after that bullshit overtime goal and going to work the next day was NOT fun.  :-([/quote]

Actually, that year there wasn't snow.  There was in '02 and '04, but '03 I don't recall any.[/quote]

Whether there was snow or not, I thought the goal was good. I swear I saw it go in just under the post and bound right back out. But, who knows.[/quote]Maybe FR is right about the snow, though I thought there was.  My recollection is that Lenny was interfered with on the goal.

[quote krose]If they're doing it in an attempt to reduce Colgate fan drunkenness at the game, it will fail: don't these administrators know that the weekend starts on Thursday night? ;-) [/quote]

I haven't been to Starr for about 15 years; is it really an exceptionally bad / drunken atmosphere?  I used to go to games there in the early 90's, and in fact went to a few non-Cornell games with a Colgate friend.  Sat in the student sections.  The fans were really loud and pretty lewd, but they weren't any drunker than the crowds at say the Gut or Thompson.

[quote Trotsky][quote krose]If they're doing it in an attempt to reduce Colgate fan drunkenness at the game, it will fail: don't these administrators know that the weekend starts on Thursday night? ;-) [/quote]

I haven't been to Starr for about 15 years; is it really an exceptionally bad / drunken atmosphere?  I used to go to games there in the early 90's, and in fact went to a few non-Cornell games with a Colgate friend.  Sat in the student sections.  The fans were really loud and pretty lewd, but they weren't any drunker than the crowds at say the Gut or Thompson.[/quote]

Absolutely.  The Colgate student fans present for the Cornell @ Colgate games for the past three years have to be the worst I've seen in ECACHL hockey.  (Admittedly, this is only over seven years of watching ECAC[HL] hockey, so your mileage may vary.)  They have absolutely no problems with throwing things, like slices of pizza, at the Cornell fans.  Their cheers are at best boring and at worst, at least in one instance, borderline homophobic.  Colgate's student fans on that night are the worst college hockey has to offer.

Hello kettle, this is pot.  

Most of our cheers are borderline homophobic as well, for the record.  I'm not sure if thats a valid reason to criticize anyone else's fans.

[quote Ben Rocky 04]Hello kettle, this is pot.  

Most of our cheers are borderline homophobic as well, for the record.  I'm not sure if thats a valid reason to criticize anyone else's fans.[/quote]

The difference being even if we're a little crude, we're still there for the teams and the game, and can let things drop once the game is over.  The Colgate fans, for the most part, probly dont give two shits about their team and are just there to cause trouble.

[quote French Rage]The Colgate fans, for the most part, probly dont give two shits about their team and are just there to cause trouble.[/quote]

The students, perhaps.  There used to be a huge townie contingent (the "woodchuck" -- a sort of snowy redneck) who were great fans, and really knew and appreciated the history of their team and the game.  In the 80's, if you saw a Colgate hat at the ECACs 9 times out of 10 it was a townie fan who at least claimed to have hoisted brews with Terry Slater.

[quote Trotsky][quote French Rage]The Colgate fans, for the most part, probly dont give two shits about their team and are just there to cause trouble.[/quote]

The students, perhaps.  There used to be a huge townie contingent (the "woodchuck" -- a sort of snowy redneck) who were great fans, and really knew and appreciated the history of their team and the game.  In the 80's, if you saw a Colgate hat at the ECACs 9 times out of 10 it was a townie fan who at least claimed to have hoisted brews with Terry Slater.[/quote]

Yes, I should have prefaced my comments with that, I meant just the students.

Earlier messages did not explicitly point out that the schedule has officially been released.  
Press release http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/092606aaa.html
Listing http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/sched/corn-m-hockey-sched.html

I don't think it's been mentioned here but CSTV will again carry the home game against Harvard...let's just hope history doesn't completely repeat itself::uhoh::


http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/stories/100406aae.html

[quote ursaminor][quote KeithK][quote nyc94][quote David Harding]Hockey does go to Florida over winter break.  And it's one of the few teams that has to at least consider the possibility of multiple post-season games.[/quote]

For some reason I had temporarily forgotten about Florida.  Probably because we go every year it doesn't stand out.  Are we locked into this thing in perpetuity?[/quote]We are the co-host, so yes we're "locked" into it.  I don't know if there's a contract or anything but I suspect we will continue as long as it's somewhat successful and continues to attract good teams.[/quote]
I heard a rumor about two years ago that RPI will be at the Florida tourney in 07-08, however these things have a habit of changing over a period of several years. If RPI is going, there goes the run of "good teams". :-/[/quote]

To set the record straight, it looks like RPI is going to a different Florida tourney. From the RPI Alumni website:

QuoteRPI to Participate in the College Hockey Classic Tournament in Tampa Bay, Fla., Dec. 29-30, 2007
Participants for next year's tournament are scheduled to be RPI, Notre Dame, Colorado College, and UMASS-Amherst. The NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning has begun hosting an NCAA tournament at the St. Pete Times Forum in anticipation of hosting the 2012 Frozen Four. Mark your calendars for next year and plan to join us!

[quote ursaminor]To set the record straight, it looks like RPI is going to a different Florida tourney. From the RPI Alumni website:

QuoteRPI to Participate in the College Hockey Classic Tournament in Tampa Bay, Fla., Dec. 29-30, 2007
Participants for next year's tournament are scheduled to be RPI, Notre Dame, Colorado College, and UMASS-Amherst. The NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning has begun hosting an NCAA tournament at the St. Pete Times Forum in anticipation of hosting the 2012 Frozen Four. Mark your calendars for next year and plan to join us!

[/quote]

So, does this mean there will be two college hockey tournaments on the West Coast of Florida at the same time?  ::screwy::

[quote jtwcornell91][quote ursaminor]To set the record straight, it looks like RPI is going to a different Florida tourney. From the RPI Alumni website:

QuoteRPI to Participate in the College Hockey Classic Tournament in Tampa Bay, Fla., Dec. 29-30, 2007
Participants for next year's tournament are scheduled to be RPI, Notre Dame, Colorado College, and UMASS-Amherst. The NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning has begun hosting an NCAA tournament at the St. Pete Times Forum in anticipation of hosting the 2012 Frozen Four. Mark your calendars for next year and plan to join us!

[/quote]

So, does this mean there will be two college hockey tournaments on the West Coast of Florida at the same time?  ::screwy::[/quote]

With the NHL venue and marketing, I'm sure the one that we're involved with will be viewed by the media as the "undercard."  Also, I bet Notre Dame will be seen as the heavy favorites, followed by UMass.

[quote RichH][quote jtwcornell91][quote ursaminor]To set the record straight, it looks like RPI is going to a different Florida tourney. From the RPI Alumni website:

QuoteRPI to Participate in the College Hockey Classic Tournament in Tampa Bay, Fla., Dec. 29-30, 2007
Participants for next year's tournament are scheduled to be RPI, Notre Dame, Colorado College, and UMASS-Amherst. The NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning has begun hosting an NCAA tournament at the St. Pete Times Forum in anticipation of hosting the 2012 Frozen Four. Mark your calendars for next year and plan to join us!

[/quote]

So, does this mean there will be two college hockey tournaments on the West Coast of Florida at the same time?  ::screwy::[/quote]

With the NHL venue and marketing, I'm sure the one that we're involved with will be viewed by the media as the "undercard."  Also, I bet Notre Dame will be seen as the heavy favorites, followed by UMass.[/quote]What, you mean the numerous members of the Florida hockey media?

[quote jmh30][quote RichH][quote jtwcornell91][quote ursaminor]To set the record straight, it looks like RPI is going to a different Florida tourney. From the RPI Alumni website:

QuoteRPI to Participate in the College Hockey Classic Tournament in Tampa Bay, Fla., Dec. 29-30, 2007
Participants for next year's tournament are scheduled to be RPI, Notre Dame, Colorado College, and UMASS-Amherst. The NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning has begun hosting an NCAA tournament at the St. Pete Times Forum in anticipation of hosting the 2012 Frozen Four. Mark your calendars for next year and plan to join us!

[/quote]

So, does this mean there will be two college hockey tournaments on the West Coast of Florida at the same time?  ::screwy::[/quote]

With the NHL venue and marketing, I'm sure the one that we're involved with will be viewed by the media as the "undercard."  Also, I bet Notre Dame will be seen as the heavy favorites, followed by UMass.[/quote]What, you mean the numerous members of the Florida hockey media?[/quote]
Bizarrely enough, the most diligent Florida hockey media I've seen has been in Ft. Myers/Estero.  Their sports page is almost entirely dedicated to hockey, or has been the few times in December I've looked at it.  The truth is there isn't much sportsish going on down there except that Everblades team.

[quote jtwcornell91][quote ursaminor]To set the record straight, it looks like RPI is going to a different Florida tourney. From the RPI Alumni website:

QuoteRPI to Participate in the College Hockey Classic Tournament in Tampa Bay, Fla., Dec. 29-30, 2007
Participants for next year's tournament are scheduled to be RPI, Notre Dame, Colorado College, and UMASS-Amherst. The NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning has begun hosting an NCAA tournament at the St. Pete Times Forum in anticipation of hosting the 2012 Frozen Four. Mark your calendars for next year and plan to join us!

[/quote]

So, does this mean there will be two college hockey tournaments on the West Coast of Florida at the same time?  ::screwy::[/quote] It did sound weird to me also.


The other thing is that I originally heard that RPI would be going to Florida in 07-08 during the summer of 2004. At that time, Tampa Bay had not yet been awarded the Frozen Four, so it would seem odd that a tourney would be scheduled there.

I'm just now noticing that the Wayne State games are listed as 8pm Saturday and 4pm Sunday, not 8pm Friday and 4pm Saturday as the Google Calendar someone prepared has been indicating all this time.  I'm going to assume that the official website listing that says Saturday/Sunday is correct, but I'm also contacting the ticket office to be certain.

Did anybody ever actually own up to creating the Google Calendar?

[quote Beeeej]I'm just now noticing that the Wayne State games are listed as 8pm Saturday and 4pm Sunday, not 8pm Friday and 4pm Saturday ...[/quote]
Well that's annoying to say the least since I've been planning all along as though it was Fri and Sat. USCHO had it as Fri and Sat (which is the schedule that I had been relying on), but I see that Athletics website has it Sat and Sun. I'll have to check the tickets at home --although those things have their share of typos, so maybe a call to the ticket office is in order.  If I get a moment later in the day I'll call and post what I'm told.

[quote ursusminor][quote someone else][quote ursaminor]Something[/quote]A response[/quote]A rejoinder[/quote]When did you go from ursa to ursus? And why?

For the record, my schedule was correct. Just saying...

[quote ugarte][quote ursusminor][quote someone else][quote ursaminor]Something[/quote]A response[/quote]A rejoinder[/quote]When did you go from ursa to ursus? And why?[/quote]"ursa" is a female bear.  "ursus" is a male bear.  (Or would that be "baer"?  :-P)

I've confirmed with Gene, the games are Saturday and Sunday.

I'll check the USCHO schedule, and if they still have it wrong, I'll notify them.

It's correct here as well - http://www.collegehockeynews.com/schedules/team.php?td=18

[quote Josh '99][quote ugarte][quote ursusminor][quote someone else][quote ursaminor]Something[/quote]A response[/quote]A rejoinder[/quote]When did you go from ursa to ursus? And why?[/quote]"ursa" is a female bear.  "ursus" is a male bear.  (Or would that be "baer"?  :-P)[/quote]
Exactly. Several years ago, I started using "ursaminor" as login name on various boards because 1. "ursa" is Latin for bear and "Baer" (really "Bär") is German for bear, and 2. "minor" is Latin for little (or small or ...) and I am short. A while back, it was brought to my attention, perhaps by someone from this board, that "ursa", like "alumna", is a female form. Until Age recently made it easy to change login names, it wasn't worth the trouble to change things.

BTW, it's real tough to determine the sex of a bear from a few stars in the sky, even without all the light pollution in a city. :-D

Not that it's in doubt anymore, but whoever answered in the ticket office also says Sat and Sun. Damn you, USCHO! :-(:-P

So Athletics got it right?!?! No!! Say it isn't so!