1 05:55 Nia Caruana (Ketchen, Madsen)
1 1x:xx Cor Barlow 1 (Kennedy 2, Davenport 1)
2 09:55 Cor Kindret 2 (Kennedy 3)
2 14:56 Cor Kennedy 1 (Pokulok 2) pp
3 12:17 Nia Rocco (Harris, Reaney) pp
3 14:47 Nia Cross (Caruana) pp
3 17:10 Cor O'Byrne 4 (Moulson 7, Scott 7) pp
3 18:55 Cor Moulson ( , ) en
LET'S GO RED!!!
According to our new announcer (I still don't remember his name and I still don't like him), the crowd is mostly Cornell fans.
Sasha goes to the box; N pp.
1 5:55 Nia pp Caruana (Ketchen, Madsen)
One second left on the penalty when N scores. :-(
52 seconds of 5x3 coming up for Cornell.
what happened? did we score?!?!??!? ::yark::
please keep posting!!!! ;-)
They killed it
No CU score yet. PP expires.
score barlow
Barlow! 1-1!
Assists from Kennedy and Davenport.
Great job by the freshman line.
Under 2mins in the 1st, 1-1, with Cornell all over the Eagles.
42 sec left
Barlow's goal was top shelf, glove side, from the right high slot. He "showed patience" acc. to the announcer.
sorry for asking a stupid question, but does anyone here know of any *free* audio stream for this game by any chance?
nope...only all access :(
Game on.
Hard to tell on audio, but it sounds like McKee has laready turned away 2-3 first class chances tonight.
toothless??
was it the assistant ref...my audio cut out for a sec
sasha back in the box
pp over...but icing
we kill it, but clearing pass ruled icing. face-off next to mckee
sounds like we're putting the pressure on...
mugford to the box for boarding
1 min left, mckee with a glove save
pp over
score...kindret
Kindret! Wraparound. 2-1! Great to see the freshmen getting it done tonight...
2 09:55 Cor Kindret 2 (Kennedy 3)
March of the Freshmen! (Or at least, the November of the Freshmen...)
7:35 left in the 2nd
Cornell back on pp...interference against???
Penalty was on Armando Scarlato, a time-honored hockey name.
time-honored hockey name? i don't get it.. B-] ::twitch::
Score Kennedy (Sasha)...
I keeeed. I keeeed.
2 14:56 Cor pp Kennedy 1 (Pokulok 2)
Cornell pp #4 coming up.
Freshmen scoring so far this weekend:
Kindret 2-0
Kennedy 1-3
Seminoff 0-1
Mugford 0-1
Barlow 1-0
Davenport 0-1
Total 3-6
N kills the pp.
The radio announcer made it sound like the Niagara player who may have deflected the third Cornell goal into the net was arguing that his own stick was too high, so that the goal should not have counted. Is that how the rule works? I mean, if Moulson takes a shot from the faceoff circle that hits an opposing player's stick held well above his waist (or whatever the designated point for a high-stick is) and the puck goes in the net, does that goal get waved off?
I know it does if the deflection is by the scoring team (NCAA semis--Buffalo, 2003, as a case in point), but if it's the opposing team's high stick?
Someone enlighten me please.
Andy W.
End 2nd
Yep, the high stick stoppage occurs at the instant the puck strikes, so the goal would be disallowed.
[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:
The radio announcer made it sound like the Niagara player who may have deflected the third Cornell goal into the net was arguing that his own stick was too high, so that the goal should not have counted. Is that how the rule works? I mean, if Moulson takes a shot from the faceoff circle that hits an opposing player's stick held well above his waist (or whatever the designated point for a high-stick is) and the puck goes in the net, does that goal get waved off?
I know it does if the deflection is by the scoring team (NCAA semis--Buffalo, 2003, as a case in point), but if it's the opposing team's high stick?
Someone enlighten me please.
Andy W.[/q]
My guess would be it doesn't matter where the opponent's stick is.
Just like it's not a disallowed goal if a player kicks it into his own net.
Edit: I stand corrected. But Trotsky, I thought the high-stick stoppage occurs once the puck is touched by a teammate.
WELL - THATS --->IF<--- the scorer's stick is too high...
seeing as i was 8 rows behind the net that that goal was scored
Wait... no, high-sticking as a lines call, doesn't stop the play until someone on his team touches it next, like a hand pass.
(This is to distinguish from high-sticking as a penalty, which has nothing to do with the puck and everything to do with getting your stick in someone else's face, etc)
You're right, it is on the touch after. So I have no idea whether the goal would count.
Cornell pp #5.
Any idea what the shots are?
[Q]Trotsky Wrote:
You're right, it is on the touch after. So I have no idea whether the goal would count. [/q]
The goal would count, assuming it went straight from the stick into the net, since there was no touch. Or even if it went to an opponent's (i.e. the scoring team's) stick and it, that would nullify the high stick.
The only exceptiom I could see if it the goalie saved it and had decent control of it, and it was then tapped in. You could argue that the whistle should have been blown. But usually the whistle should have/shouldn't have been blown is a pointless argument. Whether is was or wasn't it all that matters.
Result: 3-1 Cornell ;)
Is there any kind of gametracker/audio besides all access?
15:10 - left now 14:59 - Cornell pressuring - 6-3 Princeton over Q
Been discussed. No free audio tonight. Niagara charges too (or do they not have any?)
thanks, i'll be relying on the forum updates, post-game analysis then
Cornell going on 6th PP
Cornell pp #6...
Man, our announcer is just killing me. It's like he's teaching himself hockey *as* he does play-by-play...
1st PP unit 3 or 4 shots - 30 secs left 2nd Unit out .... Penalty over
Chris A. off Big Red on Kill 9 + mins left
He really seems to like the expression: 'pokes at it'
Nice audio moment there... the gain spiked on "DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" :-D
cleared length of ice 1:33 left - cleared again - and back into Niagra again - 47 sec . . .. left McKee another save - beautiful glove hand - 39 sec to go - Save McKee rebound knocked in w/ 7 secs left now 3-2
McKee another big save. Good to hear.
7 min to go Moulson to the box - Niagra on 5th powerplay -
N back on pp.
3 - 3 PP goal
under 5 minutes to go - a whole new game
How much left on the pp
None, they scored :-P
3 14:47 Nia Cross (Caruana) pp
3-3, 4 mins to go.
Oh man. Kill Schafer, kill.
Puck put in net but Bitz or Scott is in net - no goal - Niagra taking the penalty and Big RED on PP number 7
Mike - talking to ref - crowd yelling - Kill S. Kill
Cornell scores - Ryan O
at 17:10 (Moulson and Scott)
4 - 3
2:38 left in thrid
But are you talking about Profudge?
Woah, I'm way behind you... YESSS!!!
(are you listening on the radio?)
Reading over the threads last night and tonight, I feel surprised whenever we're scored on. I guess I have to start getting used to it. Then again, I'm pleasantly surprised that we're scoring.
Does anyone know why the game next week was moved to 6pm?
-Alex
O'BYRNE!!!!!!!!!!
Because they're airing the game on NESN
Edit: beat me to it
3 17:10 Cor pp O'Byrne 4 (Moulson 7, Scott 7)
Listening to radio from Ithaca
Moulson eng 5-3
slapper from the pt?
me too...
i saw the ryan o post, and on my feed ob was getting a new stick from the bench.
still too cheap to pay for cable internet. so i'll settle for being a minute behind everyone else...
ps.. moulson eng
Will somebody tell this dumbass announcer that cheering "sieve" on an empty net is a joke.
yay!!! we almost couldn't beat lowly niagara!!! oh wait... it's not over ::worry::
9 SEC LEFT - this one looks over YEAH Big RED! 6-3-1
GAME IS OVER -
well, if they goalie had played better he would have been in net and the empty netter wouldn't have happened, so it's still his fault!
[Q]Trotsky Wrote:
Will somebody tell this dumbass announcer that cheering "sieve" on an empty net is a joke.
Edited 1 times. Last edit at 11/26/05 09:16PM by Trotsky.[/q]
1) Yes, it's a joke
2) I personally chant it at the coach
3) mjc beat me to it - if he wasn't such a sieve, he wouldn't have been pulled
Two tough games and two wins.
Nice to see the pp click twice tonight, including once when the pressure was absolutely on.
Hope they can keep on improving, add the defensive element back in, and come back strong next weekend.
At least it is starting to seem like everything is heading in the right direction. I just looked at all of our box scores and other than the two Michigan State games and the Dartmouth game we are staying well over 30 shots per game. Listening to the broadcast tonight, it sounds like McKee played pretty well, too. It sounded like he made quite a few saves on the power play that led to the 2nd goal including a good series in which they didn't score before the series in which they got a rebound in. If the D can stay solid for 60 min. and not have those couple of lapses each game that allow the scores to be close we might begin to see what we have been waiting for. Finally, Go Freshmen!!
Fourth line was outstanding again tonight. Fact of the matter is, except for O'Byrne, none of Cornell's top players are getting it done. I was really happy with the performances of the freshmen this weekend though. Seminoff did really well.
I am totally suprised by Ryan Kindret. He may not be the best player on the ice, but after seeing him play in the exhibition game, he is totally suprising me. All the freshmen are getting it... if moulson/bitz/scott/abbotts/sawada/pegs ever get going with the scoring, and the freshmen keep it up... the O will be amazing...
[Q]Trotsky Wrote:
Freshmen scoring so far this weekend:
Kindret 2-0
Kennedy 1-3
Seminoff 0-1
Mugford 0-1
Barlow 1-0
Davenport 0-1
Total 3-6[/q]
wouldn't it be 4-6? 2+1+1=4
No. 2+1+1 = 3. ;-)
I actually thought Kindret looked very good in the exhibition game. I might've been the only one, though. He showed a lot of speed, and good ability to break away from defenders. I didn't see either of this weekend's games, but it's good to see him playing well.
It will be interesting to see who comes out of the lineup should Carefoot return next weekend.
So, can we now put a listing for the 2005 Niagara Cup on the left side of the page? :-P
Other thoughts:
- Kindret's goal was absolutely beautiful, probably the best of the night (though I couldn't really see the second and third Niagara goals), and perhaps the best Cornell goal thus far this season.
- Way to go freshmen. You were mostly disappointing me before this weekend, but now I have faith you will all grow into fine Cornell players.
- Hopefully, with any luck, the sweep this weekend will give our players as a whole the confidence to run the table for the rest of the season. (I can hope, anyway.)
My personal three (Cornell) stars of the game: 1. Kindret 2. Kennedy 3. O'Byrne
What the hell, give a fourth star to Barlow.
So tonight was the first time I’ve seen this years edition of the Red in person and I have to say overall it was fairly encouraging but still a semi-mixed bag.
Game thoughts:
(1) General Impressions: The freshman/sophomores seemed to have the fire we’ve been lacking all season. Good for them! The upper
classmen are performing below par and look semi-content with this.
(2) Power Play: Despite scoring two goals, our PP is terribly stagnant and very predictable (read: easy to defend). We seem to only
want to take shots from the point and one-timers at that. Very lame. Very easy to defend. But Kennedy’s deflection was a
thing of beauty and pretty damn sweet. :-D
(3) Penalty Kill: The kill OTOH seemed to be better than our 5x5 or PP. McCutcheon was/is our best PK’er by far (aside from Carefoot).
I hope Mitch gets back soon b/c those two together would be a real solid threat for SHGs this year.
(4) Goaltending: All the talk about something being wrong with McKee is spot on. There’s just something not right. I have no idea what
it is but he’s just off. Two of the goals were very soft and the third was one I’m sure he wished he could have back.
(5) Breakout[/U]: Better than the past few games but still lacks serious confidence. It was not uncommon to turnover the puck before we
got to our own blue line. This needs to be addressed if this team is going to be successful.
(6) Defense[/I]: Davenport dressed for Gleed and played fairly well. Krantz, O’B and Sasha are playing far below their potential and look
lost out there. Seminoff and Salmela played very solid games tonight. Jared looks to be hitting his stride and gaining confidence
with each shift. Salmela had a tendency to jump into the play and sometimes I thought he was even playing on the wing. This is
definitely a good thing. I mean shit, if no one else is going to, he might as well get something going. O’B and Sasha have developed
hands of stone and are making very suspect decisions with the puck.
(7) Offense[/I]: The Barlow, Kennedy and Kindret line is awesome, three goals and one assist and oh so many more chances. This line was all
over the ice! These three give me hope for our offense to make a comeback for rest of the season. Their numbers speak for themselves.
Bitz, Sawada, and Mugford were skating as if on eggshells. They were making decent plays but just cannot seem to get things together
near the net.
Chris, Cam, Topher and Pegs did a nice job carrying the puck through the neutral zone to avoid the dump and chase tonight. Although
0-1-1 on the night is very unacceptable for this quartet of talent. They all need to step up their games BIG TIME.
Moulson is not playing with any fire but still seems to be able to get himself in positions to make things happen. I guess we’ll take
what we can get out him but he’s just not the type of leader we’re used to seeing wear our ‘C’.
McCutcheon, Kindret, Kennedy and Barlow were by far our best forwards on the ice tonight. Seminoff and Salmela seemed to make the soundest decisions on defense. If these six can inspire the rest of the boys to crank it up a few notches, watch out! As Trotsky said last week, the bus is just fine. Having seen them in person, I feel better about this teams potential and that the underclassmen are ready and willing to take up the slack left by the upperclassmen. When these guys get things hitting on all cylinders, this team will be a serious force. In Schafer we trust, he will right the wrongs.
LGR!!!:-)
[Q]ben03 Wrote:
(6) Defense: Davenport dressed for Gleed and played fairly well. Krantz, O’B and Sasha are playing far below their potential and look
lost out there. Seminoff and Salmela played very solid games tonight. Jared looks to be hitting his stride and gaining confidence
with each shift. Salmela had a tendency to jump into the play and sometimes I thought he was even playing on the wing. This is
definitely a good thing. I mean shit, if no one else is going to, he might as well get something going. O’B and Sasha have developed
hands of stone and are making very suspect decisions with the puck.
LGR!!![/q]
I agree with most of what you said, but I disagree about O'Byrne. He played around 30 minutes each night and was really really good. He made some mistakes but when you play that much, and you almost always out with a freshman, that is bound to happen. I think he's been the team's best player this year and has really stepped up in the games where the team has been thin on the blueline. He is also second on the team in goals and third in points right now. I agree that Pokuluk and Krantz have been brutal. Krantz at least has gotten better than he was the first few games where he was consistently making enormous mistakes. Pokuluk has been this year's biggest disappointment along with McKee to this point. He doesn't use his size at all and doesn't seem to want the puck even though he is very skilled. He also never uses his suppossedly booming shot. Seminoff had a great weekend and Salmela was pretty good too.
Thoughts from last night...
- Pokoluk=awful...he again telegraphed a few passes in the first period that lead to turnovers. A better team may have converted one of those turnovers to goals. The slashing penalty he took in the first was very foolish and costly. Some might find this a tad extreme, but when Gleed comes back into the lineup I'd like to see Pokoluk come out for a game.
- The first and third (second he had no chance) looked to be pretty soft goals. On the first goal it looked like McKee was out of position when he went down for the kick save, he left about a couple feet of open goal for the Niagra player to just slide it in. On the third I believe it went right through his legs--it looked like he just didn't get down quick enough for it. He made some big saves at times, and at other times he looked completely out of it; he had trouble making routine saves from beyond the blueline, puck handling etc. I really hope Dave gets it back to at least average.
- The interference call by Kirk on Pokulok was hands down the worst call of the year so far.
- I thought both Abbotts, especially Cam, were painfully average this weekend. The senior class collectively had a very average weekend. I hope Schafer has finally canned the Abbott-Bitz-Moulson line.
- Although we did score 2 pp goals last night I wasn't very impressed with our PP this weekend. Our first unit has two plays: a one-timer by O'Byrne or Moulson trying to snipe in the high slot. I think we need a third option-- a backdoor play or something. Having said that, I really like O'Byrne. If his puck handling improves on the point (give him time), I think we may have the next Cook on our hands. It was nice to see the second unit get a goal. Pegoraro also had a real nice cross ice pass to Mugford (or McCutheon?) who missed an opportunity for an open net. I hope this gives them some much needed confidence heading into next weekend.
- Ditto to everything people said about the Freshman line and McCutcheon.
- I really liked what I saw from Sawada last night (and this weekend). He did a great job carrying the puck into the offensive zone. He was fast...he worked well along the boards and popped out a few pucks from behind the net to Mugford and Abbott in the slot. Had Mugford or Abbott been Moulson I think one of those opportunities would have resulted in a goal. If he starts checking like he used to, I would be in favor of putting him back on the top line for a night to see how he does.
- Overall I like what I saw this weekend from some unexpected players. Our upperclassmen had an off weekend but the underclassmen picked up the slack. It looks like all of the freshmen have carved a niche for themselves in the team. I like the way our team is headed, and I'm praying for the coming of the real McKee.
some thoughts about the game...
1st, my wifes little cousins loved the game. they were the ones in sec 122 chanting lets go red the whole first period :)
one of them (grace) was the little blonde girl who had the "i did my time in line" t-shirt on, I know a few people got a picture of her (if u can email it to me that would rock)
ok so besides the kids wanted more hockey...
this is no top 10 team. very sloppy play, off on passes, trouble breaking out, defense standing still at times...
I had expected them to look like a more cohesive unit. They will get to that level, but are far from it.
our netminder - i think it is all a lack of confidence. He gets down on himself over every goal, at least last night he did, especially the 3rd goal. I also wonder if he tweaked a hamstring, esp on that 2nd goal last night. he has gotten left out to dry on some goals, but last night I think he could have saved 2 of the 3 goals had he been confident. the 3rd goal was a frustrating goal as the offenseman bounced it off daves knee and in. but dave was out of position because he was not able to push using his skate and get across the crease so instead reached over with his glove. that indicates a tweaked hamstring. hopefully not...
powerplay was stagnant most of the game, as was 5v5 action. the offense showed some spunk after the powerplay goal in the second but seemed to be having trouble with niagara clogging the middle and at times running the neutral zone trap.
niagara played a solid game.
the officiating was aweful both ways. the one hooking call on cornell was a player not being able to skate and tripping over the red line - clear as day on the replay. both interfence calls, one against cornell and one against niagara, were bad calls. the goal should have been a goal. I did not hear a whistle, the ref pointed down as if it a goal...there was no crease because the cornell player was pushed into the goal...i dont know what happened there. anyone know?
In regards to the PP, I think the reason we shot so much from the point is that's what they gave us. We moved the puck well, and they sat back allowing alot of movement by us near the blue line. We definately were trying to go down low, but they collapsed and did not allow alot of cross ice passes. Overall I thought our PP looked good.
Mckee's third goal was soft, even his mom had a pained look. However you have to wonder if he's not 100%. We would never know, of course. If it's all in his head, I'll leave it up to Coach whether it's better to play him or sit him down. If it was me, I'd like to try and play through it; we don't have a minor league where we can send a player down to better his skills under game conditions. In any regard, Coach certainly knows better than me. Unfortunately, compared to last year, his save percentage this year equals about a goal per game.
Finally, Ari thanks for the cowbell before our winning PP. I know you were under watch to be thrown out if it was played, but maybe that was the winning touch.:-)
[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:
Seminoff did really well. [/q]
Agreed. He has really stepped it up the last two weekends. He reminds me of Cook with an attitude.
I disagree somewhat with your take on Seminoff. I thought he is playing very well, considering he is a freshman. However, his speed is horrible and he is beat to every puck. This hurts us because we never get the early clear when he is on the ice. Great shots though, and great effort from him. Definitely happy to have him out there. Good job freshmen!!! LGR!
Related to the game...
They did a pretty nice job rebuilding BCA. What a difference from the old War Memorial. I think they'll do fine with the Regional in 2007.
My main beef with the facility was with the scoreboards. Penalty time is not displayed on the center scoreboard, forcing one to look down to the scoreboards at either end of the rink to see how much time is left, and shots on goal aren't displayed anywhere.
Having grown up in Rochester I was shocked to see no advertising from Genny or Kodak.
It was weird seeing Niagara host the game and have so few people there. I'm guessing at least 75% of the crowd was Red, though it seemed closer to 90%.
I was surprised by the low turnout (2,324). They had more than 8,000 there the night before for an Amerks game. I thought more locals would have shown up to watch some college hockey. I still think a Cornell-RIT game there when the students are around could draw well.
The Dinosaur BBQ was very much a Cornell gathering spot before the game. Funky decor, good food, terrible seating policy. It's located across the street from a parking garage & a block away from BCA.
If Estero doesn't work out, and this year's field isn't very glamorous, it might be a nice place for a holiday tournament.
[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:
Pokuluk has been this year's biggest disappointment along with McKee to this point. He doesn't use his size at all and doesn't seem to want the puck even though he is very skilled. He also never uses his suppossedly booming shot. [/q]
Is it possible that both McKee and Sasha became complacent in the offseason, with McKee having been a Hobey hat trick finalist and Sasha drafted in the 1st round? They are both extremely talented players. I hope they can get their games back to where they were last year before the schedule gets tougher in January.
[Q]
ithacat Wrote:I was surprised by the low turnout (2,324). They had more than 8,000 there the night before for an Amerks game. I thought more locals would have shown up to watch some college hockey. I still think a Cornell-RIT game there when the students are around could draw well.[/q]
The following are Niagara's attendance numbers for their home games thus far this season:
DATE OPPONENT ATTENDANCE
Fri Oct 7 Clarkson 1097
Sat Oct 8 Clarkson 1027
Sat Oct 22 Western Michigan 1185
Fri Oct 28 Vermont 1003
Sat Oct 29 Vermont 1079
Fri Nov 4 Wayne State 1169
Sat Nov 5 Wayne State 915
Sat Nov 19 RIT 1068
Keep in mind that Niagara's Dwyer Arena supposedly seats a maximum of 4,000 people. To be fair, though, Niagara's student enrollment is something like 2600 undergrads and 800 grads. In any case, though, it's clear that Niagara doesn't quite have the local support (at least by the numbers) that Cornell does.
Of the 2324 recorded to be in attendance of Saturday's game, let's assume rougly 75% of the crowd were Cornell fans. (That might be a generous number, but whatever.) That leaves maybe 600 Niagara fans in attendance. Given their usual home attendance numbers, I would say having 60% attend a game on the 'road' is pretty good, particularly on a holiday weekend when students are probably home with their families.
My point is, 2324 wasn't really all that disappointing, though perhaps we should have had more of our people there. :-D
[Q]ithacat Wrote:
The Dinosaur BBQ was very much a Cornell gathering spot before the game. Funky decor, good food, terrible seating policy. It's located across the street from a parking garage & a block away from BCA.
If Estero doesn't work out, and this year's field isn't very glamorous, it might be a nice place for a holiday tournament.[/q]
I have too many bad memories of the Syracuse Invitational to be excited about the idea of another Central NY holiday tourney. Although the highlight of those trips was eating at Dinosaur (which my party did after the game this time). :-D
TV game on CSTV
[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:
[Q2]ithacat Wrote:
The Dinosaur BBQ was very much a Cornell gathering spot before the game. Funky decor, good food, terrible seating policy. It's located across the street from a parking garage & a block away from BCA.
If Estero doesn't work out, and this year's field isn't very glamorous, it might be a nice place for a holiday tournament.[/Q]
I have too many bad memories of the Syracuse Invitational to be excited about the idea of another Central NY holiday tourney. Although the highlight of those trips was eating at Dinosaur (which my party did after the game this time).[/q]
those SIT games still give me nightmares...
dino was great before the game. nothin like cajun corn :)
[Q]jy3 Wrote:
[Q2]jtwcornell91 Wrote:
I have too many bad memories of the Syracuse Invitational to be excited about the idea of another Central NY holiday tourney.[/Q]
those SIT games still give me nightmares...
[/q]
As they do John Gallagher...
(http://www.bones.org/pictures/photos/314.jpg)
According to the Syracuse Post-Standard account (lifted from JTW's account), the Providence goalie "literally left everything he had on the ice."