UND 3, Wisc 2 in the last couple minutes of the third for this afternoon game
That'd be a surprise
UMass 4 Niagara 3 Final
ENG Sioux, from their own blue line
4-2 UND with under 10 seconds left
Edit: game over, these teams will meet again tomorrow
SLU already up 2-zip on 'Gate in the first couple minutes.
[Q]Trotsky Wrote:
SLU already up 2-zip on 'Gate in the first couple minutes.[/q]
That's nuts. Silverthorn let in the first two shots he faced!
not too much different than Traylen.
SLU up 3-0, Silverthorn gone. That's good, we want SLU and Brown to remain TsUC.
Brown tied with Dartmouth 1-1.
SLU(t) now up 3-0 on 6 shots.
Edit: It was actually on 5 shots.
Gleed back out, guess he's okay.
in Ithaca: Princeton 14, Cornell 5 - 8 minutes left in the half
BC 1, UNH 0 - mid first
Edit: 2-0 BC, 7 min left in the first
And 3-0 BC, UNH switches sieves
27-18 Princeton at the half
4-1 BC after 1
MSU/BGSU scoreless in the first
Dartmouth leads Brown, 2-1. That's bad.
Cornell 3 Clarkson 0
Colgate 0 SLU 3
Princeton 0 Union 0
Yale 1 RPI 1
Brown 1 Dartmouth 2
Harvard 1 Vermont 1
Now Green 3 Brown 1.
US Under-18 up over Michigan 2-1 B-]
MSU 2, BGSU 1 after 1
Princeton 36, CU 32 - 11:54 left
SLU 4 Gate 1
Green 4 Brown 2
Harvard 2 Vermont 1
woah, Cornell 42, Princeton 36 - 7:30 to go
Wow, that was a 10-pt run. :-)
From a USCHO poster (accuracy not guaranteed):
Current scores:
Cornell 3 Clarkson 0
Colgate 1 SLU 4
Brown 2 Dartmouth 4
Harvard 2 Vermont 1
Princeton 0 Union 0
Yale 2 RPI 1
If those hold up, the final standings would be:
1. Cornell
2. Harvard
3. Colgate
4. Dartmouth
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5. Vermont
6. Brown
7. SLU
8.Union
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9. Clarkson
10. Princeton
11. RPI
12. Yale
Now Princeton up by 1 - 45-44, as Cornell hasn't sunk much in a while, 3:30 to go
Edit: 46-45 Cornell now, under 3 to go
Reverse layup after Princeton freethrows, 48-47 Cornell
Offensive rebound Princeton, 49-48 Princeton
1:30 to go
Princeton ball with just over a minute to go
Cornell gets the ball back on a block and takes the timeout with 55.8 remainnig, down by 1
offensive rebound after a missed 3 - 5 second differential
foul called against Princeton - 2 freethrows w/ double penalty in place, 31.8 seconds left
CU down 1, Collins gets fouled and 2 free throws. 30 secs left.
makes the first one...
and the other!
TO Princeton with 17.6 left
Knocked out by Cornell, Princeton will inbound with 8.5 left, under the basket - timeout again
can't lay it in and Cornell with the rebound, good setup by Princeton, but it bounces out
4.0 seconds and Cornell with two freethrows
Makes the first one...
and the second!
CU takes a timeout
pass intercepted and its over... Cornell sweeps Princeton for the first time in something like 20 years!!
... now back to your reguarly scheduled hockey ...
First season sweep since '84-'85!
What a night for the seniors!
Sounds like a big crowd, too.
1st season sweep in 20 years...oops, someone posted that. pretty sweet. LGR! ::nut::
Man, that's a good win. :-)
Dartmouth up 6-2 over Brown :-(
Du gave the puck away in the last seconds, but Hyphen made the save. Going to OT 2-2
Gotta admit, UVM crowd sounds pretty good.
3:40 to go in OT
Looks like with St. Lawrence winning, our 2nd round opponent will be any one of Union, Clarkson, Princeton, RPI, or Yale.
'gate lost too, 5-3
BU falls to NU, 2-1
BC looks ready to put UNH away, 5-2 with 1:45 remaining
Looks like both benefit from the tie. 'Gate loss meant Sucks only needed 1 point to get #2. And UVM finishes 1 point up on Dartmouth for 4th.
MSU goes up 4-3 on BSU, with 13:00 remaining
Brown drops TUC as more results come in. :(
[Q]ganderson Wrote:
On the bright side, Brown somehow remains a TUC (.5003) [/q]
Refresh that page ... I've got them at .4999 ::yark::
Edit: And dropping, as more results get added.
DU 5 - Mankato 2 Final
Minny 4 - SCSU 1 Final
these don't help coupled with Brown losing their TUC status
One game left:
http://www.goseawolves.com/index.cfm?fuseAction=audiovideo
Scores so far (to drop into http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?rankings.diy )
20050226 AF 1 WS 5 CH
20050226 AH 3 RM 0 CH
20050226 AI 3 Ar 3 AH
20050226 Ak 2 NO 7 CC
20050226 BC 5 NH 2 HE
20050226 BG 3 MS 6 CC
20050226 Bn 2 Da 6 EC
20050226 By 1 Ca 2 AH
20050226 Cg 3 SL 5 EC
20050226 Cr 3 Ck 0 EC
20050226 DU 5 Mk 2 WC
20050226 Ha 2 Vt 2 EC
20050226 LS 2 WM 3 CC
20050226 MA 4 Ni 3 NC
20050226 MD 5 BS 2 NC
20050226 ML 3 Me 5 HE
20050226 Mh 3 HC 2 AH
20050226 Mn 4 SC 1 WC
20050226 Mr 2 Pv 4 HE
20050226 NE 2 BU 1 HE
20050226 NM 6 FS 3 CC
20050226 Pn 0 Un 0 EC
20050226 Qn 5 SH 3 AH
20050226 Wi 2 ND 4 WC
20050226 Ya 2 RP 3 EC
If UAA wins, they become a TUC and add 0-2-1 to Minnesota's record vs TUCs. This alone is not enough to flip the criterion and thus the comparison and bump us up to #5, but it helps. For instance if UAA wins and you make Sacred Heart a TUC, we win the Minnesota comparison and go to #4.
So go Seawolves!
[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:
If UAA wins, they become a TUC and add 0-2-1 to Minnesota's record vs TUCs. This alone is not enough to flip the criterion and thus the comparison and bump us up to #5, but it helps. For instance if UAA wins and you make Sacred Heart a TUC, we win the Minnesota comparison and go to #4.
So go Seawolves![/q]
Either way, a 4-5 matchup of cornell and minn is the worst situation possible for those of us hoping to see cornell go to an eastern regional.
If the prime directive is that higher #1s travel least, then why wouldn't the two higher WCHA seeds gobble up the two western regional #1s (one of them to their detriment, since they might have to deal with a road QF at Minny), leaving the two eastern regional #1s to BC (or somebody) and Cornell?
[Q]Trotsky Wrote:
If the prime directive is that higher #1s travel least, then why wouldn't the two higher WCHA seeds gobble up the two western regional #1s (one of them to their detriment, since they might have to deal with a road QF at Minny), leaving the two eastern regional #1s to BC (or somebody) and Cornell?
Edited 1 times. Last edit at 02/27/05 12:20AM by Trotsky.[/q]
That would be the case if we end up a #1. If we end up 5th, we'd be a #2.
They'd want to put 4 and 5 together in a bracket to have the "ideal" matchups, so if we're 5 and Minn is 4, we'd have to be in their bracket.
Now, Minn is the host, which means they have to play at Mariucci.
So if we end up 5 with Minn 4, we would very likely go to Mariucci.
The only way around that would be if the committee decided to do us a big favor and move us east for attendence reasons, but I'd rather not hang my hat on that.
I'm pretty sure if we are 4-5 in either order with minny, we will end up at mariucci which would be unfortunate.
[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:
[Q2]Trotsky Wrote:
If the prime directive is that higher #1s travel least, then why wouldn't the two higher WCHA seeds gobble up the two western regional #1s (one of them to their detriment, since they might have to deal with a road QF at Minny), leaving the two eastern regional #1s to BC (or somebody) and Cornell?
Edited 1 times. Last edit at 02/27/05 12:20AM by Trotsky.[/Q]
That would be the case if we end up a #1. If we end up 5th, we'd be a #2.
They'd want to put 4 and 5 together in a bracket to have the "ideal" matchups, so if we're 5 and Minn is 4, we'd have to be in their bracket.
Now, Minn is the host, which means they have to play at Mariucci.
So if we end up 5 with Minn 4, we would very likely go to Mariucci.
The only way around that would be if the committee decided to do us a big favor and move us east for attendence reasons, but I'd rather not hang my hat on that.[/q]
This is why it's very important for us to get into the top 4 in PWR. If the top four are CC, DU, BC, and Cornell, we will be in Amherst. If we are #5 and Minnesota #4, all else being equal we'll end up in Minneapolis.
[Q]Jacob '06 Wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we are 4-5 in either order with minny, we will end up at mariucci which would be unfortunate.[/q]
That of which you are pretty sure is not true. Read this: http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/iceHockey/2005/2005_d1_m_ice_hockey_handbook.pdf
Page 12 says how they fill the bracket:
[Q]
1. The top four teams, as ranked by the committee, are the four No. 1 regional seeds and will be placed in the bracket so that if all four teams advance to the Men s Frozen Four, the No. 1 seed will play the No. 4 seed and the No. 2 seed will play the No. 3 seed in the semi nals.
2. Host institutions that qualify will be placed at home.
3. No. 1 seeds are placed as close to home as possible, in order of their ranking 1-4.
[/Q]
Note that putting the lowest #1 seed in the same regional as the highest #2 seed is not a priority in this list, let alone a higher priority than putting the #1 seeds in nearby regionals.
Suppose the top five are 1. CC 2. DU 3. BC 4. Cornell 5. Minnesota. Then the placement goes like this:
* Minnesota is placed in Minneapolis
* CC is placed in Minneapolis
* DU is placed in Grand Rapids
* BC is placed in Worcester
* Cornell is placed in Amherst
The only thing that would screw this up would be if BU ends up a #4 seed, in which case BC can't go to Worcester, and in that case Cornell would end up in Worcester. (If BU and Amherst are both #4 seeds, I guess BC would go to Grand Rapids to avoid the first-round matchup.)
Final: Alaska-Anchorage 1, Michigan Tech 0. Root for both of them next weekend.
I just got the impression from earlier posts in other threads that bracket integrity was most important, and minn is definitely in mariucci. Would they really make the 1 or 2 seed face the 5 seed in their regional?
According to some people (particularly out west), pulling cornell as the #5 seed would be better than potentially what 6-8 could be. Because we are sooo overrated ::nut::.
[Q]Jacob '06 Wrote:
I just got the impression from earlier posts in other threads that bracket integrity was most important, and minn is definitely in mariucci. Would they really make the 1 or 2 seed face the 5 seed in their regional?[/q]
People are misusing the term "bracket integrity". To the committee that just means the four #1 seeds each have to face #4 seeds and the four #2 seeds each have to face #3 seeds in the first round. Bracketing the teams 1-16 overall, which seems to be called "competitive equity", is desirable but secondary to the requirements laid out in the list in the document I linked, e.g., keeping hosts at home, putting the #1 seeds in nearby regionals, and preserving the 1/2/3/4 seeds in each regional. We don't know where it stands next to other desirable goals like maximizing attendance.
[Q]puff Wrote:
According to some people (particularly out west), pulling cornell as the #5 seed would be better than potentially what 6-8 could be. Because we are sooo overrated .[/q]
We may be overrated to the extent that we should be #7 rather than #5 or #3. No shame in that. It's complete nonsense to assert we don't belong in the top 10.
I definately agree with that. But you never know, of the top 8 team some teams might think they would want to play us if given the choice. But really who in thier right mind wants to face a solid team on a streak with a good goalie whose on fire?
Okay, so a few ideas for routing this upcoming weekend:
1) SLU sweeps to keep them quite safely a TUC
2) Brown sweeps to keep them with a chance of being a TUC
3) UAA sweeps UAF - important if they are to stay a TUC - although 3 out of 4 points might be okay
4) UND sweeps SCSU, on the off chance that SCSU could drop out of TUC status. Minn's 2
"TUC wins" (and I use that term lightly for a team well under .500) over them this weekend are currently the difference as to why they're ahead of us this weekend.
5) Of course hope MTU get can a win or more against Minn.
6) For the weekend after, in the WCHA postseason, I find it interesting that it is quite likely that Minn and UAA will square off in the first round. Minn is currently 4th and UAA is 7th. Both UAA and MSU-Mankato, the only team that could pass them, are done with their WCHA schedules. Minn is 4th and 2 points behind #3 Wisconsin. Wisconsin plays today and could open that up to 4 points with 2 games left. Then, any point that the Badgers get over MSU next weekend would seal the Minn-UAA matchup.
Considering UAA went 1-0-1 their last weekend at Minn, if they could even get one more at Minn in the first round, that would be helpful and help keep them a TUC. We can only pray for UAA maybe even taking that series :-D
7) I'm routing for Dartmouth too so they can keep their at large bid hopes alive - which are in pretty good shape right now at #9, but things are volatile. The only ECAC 1st round series that doesn't matter for the NCAA tournament is Union/Clarkson.
Also root for Maine to keep them in the top 15 of the raw RPI and preserve our one "quality win".
Another thought:
In both comparisons with DU and CC, we lose RPI, lose TUC, tie COP, and no H2Hs. So if we could flip RPI in either of them, we could tie the comparison and win by RPI-tiebreaker. Now, CC and DU play each other this weekend, so they can't both lose, but if CC was to sweep DU, according to JTW's script, we would only be 0.0012 behind DU in RPI, and we can see what happens from there.
Also, we get the better of the bonuses in that situation - as we have 1 neutral win, and CC and DU only have one home win. That of course depends on Maine staying in the top 15.
So, not only is it feasible for us to switch the Minn comparison, albeit with a number of TUC-related things falling in the right place, it is also possible for us to switch the DU comparison, although it would require CC to beat DU pretty well this weekend as well as us probably getting 4 Ws.
All in all, cross your fingers and hope, but it *could* all fall into place.