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General Category => Hockey => Topic started by: Trotsky on February 19, 2005, 09:29:40 PM

Title: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Trotsky on February 19, 2005, 09:29:40 PM
Senior's RS ECAC record at Lynah: 36-4-4. :-)
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: puff on February 19, 2005, 09:31:16 PM
ok, a commercial for insurance and agway in the middle of senior night. Just let us listen to the program. Don't steal the spotlight from the seniors.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: KenP on February 19, 2005, 09:36:00 PM
what and when happened to break the shutout?
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Trotsky on February 19, 2005, 09:37:20 PM
It sounded like a mixup with 3 Cornell players behind the net and Poirier left all alone.  McKee had no chance.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: billhoward on February 19, 2005, 09:39:12 PM
[Q]Trotsky Wrote:  It sounded like a mixup with 3 Cornell players behind the net and Poirier left all alone.  McKee had no chance.[/q]

Actually, it was my fault. Me or the announcers. Mea maxima culpa.

Can't believe it. I'm misting up. Over the seniors. Not the lost shutout.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: French Rage on February 19, 2005, 09:41:11 PM
What are the four losses?  Dartmouth in 01-02, and RPI/WMU/OSU in 03-04?
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Jacob 03 on February 19, 2005, 09:48:14 PM
[Q]French Rage Wrote:

 What are the four losses?  Dartmouth in 01-02, and RPI/WMU/OSU in 03-04?[/q]

Well, since the four losses were ECAC RS losses, i'd have to say WMU and OSU are not amongst them.

According to Age's handy ELynah Database, the losses would be Dartmouth, RPI, and Colgate last year, as well as Dartmouth three years ago.  
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Trotsky on February 19, 2005, 09:51:00 PM
The tie breaker with Harvard goes like this:

1) h2h (tied)

2) record vs top 4

We exclude the top 2, Cornell/Harvard.  So that leaves two from this column (current points):

30 Gate
26 Vermont
24 Dartmouth

Dartmouth can't catch Gate, so Gate becomes team #3 assured of being in the top 3.

Here's the record vs the three possible 3-4's:

Gate:

Cornell 1-0-1
Harvard 1-1-0

Vermont:

Cornell 1-0-1
Harvard 1-0-0 plus a game

Dartmouth:

Cornell 1-1-0
Harvard 1-0-0 plus a game

For Harvard to tie Cornell, they need to make up 5 points in the standings.  If Cornell got 0, they would have to go 2-0-1 with the tie coming either against one of the above teams or Brown.  If Cornell got 1 point, they would have to sweep all 3 remaining opponents.  Dartmouth could catch Vermont by beating Brown and having Vermont be swept.

So let's take a case that seems to be in Harvard's best interests:

Dartmouth gets 3 points
Harvard gets 5 (tying Dartmouth)
Cornell gets 0
Vermont gets 0
Gate gets 3 (anyway, less than 4)

That would leave the standings thus:

34 Cornell
34 Harvard
33 Gate
27 Dartmouth

The second tie breaker would then tie at 2-1-1, which sends us down to record against top 8.  I'm not going there.  Suffice that we have not (I don't think) clinched a tie-breaker win against Harvard of we tie them in the standings.

One Cornell win in the North Country will make all of this moot.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: billhoward on February 19, 2005, 10:02:39 PM
There's barroom discussion of mathmatical possibiliies and there's reality.

Cornell is unlikely to not win the ECAC RS title.

There is real doubt as to Cornell's ability to win the Ivy title. We're done. Harvard is two more games to play, against Brown Tuesday and at Dartmouth next Friday. The Cantabs need to lose one and then we tie for the title. That is possible but it of course is out of our hands.

As has been noted elsewhere, Cornell has once before gone into the final weekend needing just 1 point out of 4 to clinch the ECAC title ... and not done it. But that was long ago with a different coach and different players.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: calgARI '07 on February 19, 2005, 10:17:53 PM
Another average performance tonight.  Of course good enough to win but it's gonna be a lot tougher from here on out.  McKee was tested a lot tonight because of an abnormal amount of defensive mistakes but he was really really good.  Hynes was great the whole weekend.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Drew042 on February 19, 2005, 10:21:29 PM
My 2 cents on the game:

-I am impressed with Glover, with him out there our defense does not miss a step. He fights for every puck and does not back down from anyone.  He also handles the puck quite well.   Salmela is decent too, although I wish he would shoot more since last year it appeared he had such a great shot from point.
-I thought that Union did a great job early on of covering our point men during the powerplay.  We had a difficult time getting set with so much pressure and as a result the early 5x3 was for naught.  Union seemed to get more loose with coverage as the game went on.  
-Glad to see that Mayo finally learned how to stop Iggy on the rush...to bad a few periods too late...
-I was not at last nights game, but I thought that the crowd was quite passive tonight...I know that is what people said about last night.
-The Union goal was a result of our guys bunching behind the net and leaving Poirier open in the slot.  The shot was perfect and McKee had no chance.  That is not to take away form the great saves that he made in the 2nd period on several point blank chances.  He has really matured from last year and has become the goaltender that we all hoped he would.  
- Great game by Moulson although the gift goal reminded me a lot of the 1999 game against Maine (I think that was '99).  As I was amidst a sea of Union people in Section O, the only player that they kept yelling at was Moulson so it was nice to see him with the trick.  

Let's hope we keep up the momentum in the North Country...LGR!!!
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: billhoward on February 19, 2005, 10:22:08 PM
[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:  Another average performance tonight.  Of course good enough to win but it's gonna be a lot tougher from here on out.  McKee was tested a lot tonight because of an abnormal amount of defensive mistakes but he was really really good.  Hynes was great the whole weekend.[/q]And Matt was what, three times lucky?

Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: calgARI '07 on February 19, 2005, 10:24:13 PM
[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 [Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:  Another average performance tonight.  Of course good enough to win but it's gonna be a lot tougher from here on out.  McKee was tested a lot tonight because of an abnormal amount of defensive mistakes but he was really really good.  Hynes was great the whole weekend.[/Q]
And Matt was what, three times lucky?

[/q]

Nope.  He was one time lucky (second goal).  By looking at the box score you know about Moulson tonight.  One might now figure out how well Hynes played from the box score or the fact that Union got a lot scoring chances.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Jordan 04 on February 19, 2005, 10:24:43 PM
[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 [Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:  Another average performance tonight.  Of course good enough to win but it's gonna be a lot tougher from here on out.  McKee was tested a lot tonight because of an abnormal amount of defensive mistakes but he was really really good.  Hynes was great the whole weekend.[/Q]
And Matt was what, three times lucky?

[/q]

Well, he was certainly lucky in the "right time, right place" sense of the word for the first two goals.  The first a little scrum in front of the net and a tap in.  The 2nd a literally open net after Mayotte was a moron, and Hynes found Moulson streaking in front.

The third was a Moulson goal.  Wrister perfectly placed in the top-left corner.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: calgARI '07 on February 19, 2005, 10:25:34 PM
Absolutely couldn't believe they made the annoucement after the hats were thrown on to ice to not throw objects.  In the NHL, nothing can be thrown EXCEPT for hats after a hat trick.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Jacob '06 on February 19, 2005, 10:28:29 PM
I think the best part of the third Moulson goal was that he called for the puck knowing he was gonna shoot that wrister, and then did it and scored. It was fun to watch.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Trotsky on February 19, 2005, 10:31:33 PM
If Brown just knocks off Harvard on Tuesday then everything's great -- #1 seed and Ivy title.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: billhoward on February 19, 2005, 10:32:54 PM
Twice good, one time lucky every game will get you 100 points in a single season.

For Mayotte, it was not as horrible a give-away as the first (?) Qunnipiac goal in the NCAAs 2-3 years ago when the goalie in front of the net cleared a long shot ... back right into Cornell's stick and it took a pee-wee-level deke to get around the goalie and sink the shot. Still, it was a cheap goal and, as they see, it counts the same on the scoreboard as Bobby Orr's cup winner.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: jy3 on February 19, 2005, 11:37:53 PM
3-2-1 - not including miami-fairbanks tied 1-1 :)

Rk Team PWR Record RPI
Rk W-L-T Win % Rk RPI
1 Denver 27 4 22-7-2 .7419 2 .5915
2 Colorado College 26 2 25-6-3 .7794 1 .5935
3 Cornell 24 1 20-4-3 .7963 4 .5808
4t Boston College 23 8 19-6-5 .7167 5 .5807
4t Minnesota 23 14 20-12-1 .6212 6 .5774
6 Michigan 22 3 24-7-3 .7500 7 .5737
7 New Hampshire 20 5 22-7-3 .7344 9 .5673
8t Boston University 19 12 20-10-2 .6563 3 .5822
8t Mass.-Lowell 19 9 19-7-4 .7000 8 .5689
10 Harvard 18 10 17-7-2 .6923 11 .5629
11t North Dakota 16 22 16-12-3 .5645 12 .5581
11t Ohio State 16 6 23-8-3 .7206 13 .5560
13t Colgate 15 7 22-8-2 .7188 14 .5484
13t Dartmouth 15 20 15-10-2 .5926 18 .5331
13t Wisconsin 15 11 21-9-2 .6875 10 .5660
16 Northern Michigan 12 16t 16-9-7 .6094 19 .5302
 ::nut::
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: BCrespi on February 19, 2005, 11:39:49 PM
I actually thought the crowd was decent tonight.  Certianly better than last night.  Mayotte took some pretty good abuse and did look up during one of our jeers.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: KeithK on February 19, 2005, 11:41:51 PM
Nice analysis Greg.  Except that Colgate swept Harvard, which means the fact that Colgate is a guaranteed top 4 automatically gives the Red-Crimson tiebreaker to Cornell.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Trotsky on February 19, 2005, 11:46:23 PM
I'll be damned, you're right.

So the magic number, for Cornell vis-a-vis Harvard, is 1 point.
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: jtwcornell91 on February 20, 2005, 10:10:57 AM
[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 Nice analysis Greg.  Except that Colgate swept Harvard, which means the fact that Colgate is a guaranteed top 4 automatically gives the Red-Crimson tiebreaker to Cornell.[/q]

I thought I had eyeballed it and concluded that Colgate finishing in the top 4 gave us that tiebreaker...
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: Roy 82 on February 20, 2005, 08:16:50 PM
[Q]billhoward Wrote:

....Cornell is unlikely to not win the ECAC RS title. ....As has been noted elsewhere, Cornell has once before gone into the final weekend needing just 1 point out of 4 to clinch the ECAC title ... and not done it. But that was long ago with a different coach and different players. [/q]

Well if we don't take the RS title then at least we will know who to blame:)

The Woofing Gods have been angered. Heed them.

I suppose we have beaten up enough on Bill for a while.
Title: Re: Cam Abbott?
Post by: Steve M on February 21, 2005, 03:25:06 PM
I didn't see Cam Abbott on the gametracker lines.  Did he play this weekend?  If not, when is his anticipated return (if it's OK to ask that)?
Title: Re: Cam Abbott?
Post by: profudge on February 21, 2005, 03:40:37 PM
Cam did not play this weekend  -  I won't speculate on his return - although the sooner he is healthy the better -  He is definitely a fan favorite almost every game I have been to last couple of years  (count me in also!) .
Title: Re: Cornell Union postgame thread
Post by: CowbellGuy on February 21, 2005, 04:25:40 PM
This is not the NHL. They've made that announcement after hat tricks in the past and they damn near threw me out at RPI for doing it. (It WAS a hat trick, dammit)