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Don't forget to vote every day for the Hobey Baker award.  David is still in 5th place, all he needs is to stay in the top 10 to go to the next phase.

Keep up the good work and Go Cornell :-}

CJ

Don't forget, if you have a Cornell email address and a fairly unusual name you may have:

netID@cornell.edu
lastname@cornell.edu
firstname.lastname@cornell.edu

Shameless? Yes
Effective? Possibly
Worth it? Absolutely

[Q]BCrespi Wrote:

 Don't forget, if you have a Cornell email address and a fairly unusual name you may have:

netID@cornell.edu
lastname@cornell.edu
firstname.lastname@cornell.edu

Shameless? Yes
Effective? Possibly
Worth it? Absolutely[/q]

Actually not.  If they catch you voting from multiple email addresses, they will cancel all of your votes.

INCH has a list of who they think deserves the Hobey so far this year.  McKee is #5.

http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/goto/goto_0320.htm

It's good to see McKee getting some attention.  But one wonders if they really think McKee is a top contender or if he's just their token goaltender pick.

Probably a combination of real respect, eye-popping numbers, and the Cloak of Impregnability associated with Cornell goaltending, c.f. Notre Dame QB, USC tailback, etc...

Or their token ECAC pick, for that matter.

Anybody else having trouble reaching the Hobey website today?

Beeeej

Yes I am having trouble as well!

I also had problems getting to the Hobey site (as well as INCH... don't know if that's related) but I was able to log on recently and vote.  Last I checked, there's two people from the ECAC in the top 10 (McKee and Mifsud from UVM).

:-(
Yeah me too

I could log on but could not vote or check the current standings.

 ::screwy::

the site is up and running  ::nut:: :-)

I'm still having exactly the same problem - I can get to the Hobey homepage, but can't get to the voting page.

Must be the damn Michigan Techies behind it!

Beeeej

I just tried again and it said that its down for routine maintenance. ::stupid::

I was just able to get in and vote.  McKee still in fifth.

I don't understand these online voting techniques of letting people vote multiple times.  My guess is that it is to counter the affect of people casting multiple ballots from multiple identities (emails).  I always thought it wierd for baseballs all-star game that you get to vote 25 times.  It makes someone's vote who has more time on their hands more important than someone else who only has time to vote once.  Any one know for sure?

[Q]It makes someone's vote who has more time on their hands more important than someone else who only has time to vote once.[/Q]It works exactly like ordinary representative government. B-]

I would like to protest for I was unable to cast my votes yesterday and the site is still being problematic again this morning.  I am not the only one that was unable to cast my votes yesterday.:-(

http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/01/27/41f87626d2eec

Too bad they didn't add the a link to the site.  Imagine having even a fraction of the Cornell students and all others who read the paper voting just once.  That would really push up Cornell players numbers.

Don't know if anyone reads them, but  the link could probably be put in the "feedback" section of the article.

>>> Cornell Boasts Nine Hobey Finalists

... and it could have been ten "finalists" had Troy not been so selfish and left the team. I would have voted for the guy.

I just submitted feedback with a link to the voting site, but it has to be approved by a moderator before it shows up on the article page.

Your wit never ceases to amaze you, does it bill?

I want to be backup for Bill Scheft if he ever goes down.

McKee holding up nicely at #5.  Vote early and often.

:-)

Dave is in 4th place now.  

lets keep up the good work. ;-)

[q]I always thought it wierd for baseballs all-star game that you get to vote 25 times.[/q]Voting only 25 times?  Yeah right.  Maybe online.  But nothing stops you from voting as many times as you want by paper ballot.  Simply by using a pen one could punch out stacks of ballots at the same time.  I remember back in 1987, I was at Yankee Stadium on the last day of the voting.  I must've punched out 300 or more ballots that afternoon.  Willie Randolph got the starting nod for the AL at 2B by a smaller margin (and he deserved it that year).

Moulson is close to breaking into the top 20!  I hope he gets and stays in the top 20 in case he gets hot.  Which could happen this weekend, players seem to be getting healthier around him and they are getting used to playing together on the power play unit.

[Q]CJ Wrote:Dave is in 4th place now.[/q]

...and damn close to 3rd.

Beeeej

Two votes out of third as of 5:08 PM.

As of 5:42pm, now in third.  Let's keep him up there!

Beeeej

McKee in 3rd, Moulson in 20th, as of this post.

Did you notice that a Siglet from Bowling Green is challenging McKee but another Siglet (from Bowling Green) is challenging Moulson also!  Too bad it wasn't the Abbott's vs. Siglet's!!!::crazy::  I imagine the are related (maybe even twins), are they really that good?

Also, Downs has moved ahead of Hynes...

lgr...

[Q]Brian Wrote:

 Did you notice that a Siglet from Bowling Green is challenging McKee but another Siglet (from Bowling Green) is challenging Moulson also!  Too bad it wasn't the Abbott's vs. Siglet's!!!  I imagine the are related (maybe even twins), are they really that good?[/q]

They are five years apart in age, so it is unlikely that they are twins. ::rolleyes::  . Jordan Sigalet is the one who was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis.

I'm assuming you're talking about the Sigalet brothers.  Don't know about the skater, but the goalie has posted pretty impressive numbers this year.  He's battling MS, recently diagnosed, so he can't play in every game, but he's posted something like a .917 in the games he has played.  Pretty impressive for a guy with numbness in both hands.

There's an article about him in the latest edition of the USCHO Magazine.

So he is probably getting some sympathy votes as well, not to mention national attention due to his diagnosis.  Do you think writers would be more inclined to give him the Hobey to draw more attention to the sport and the award itself?

I don't know about the writers, but the article does say that he's not looking for pity awards.  Seems like he specifically mentioned that to the reporter.  He's just hoping he can play well enough to help the team - and based on his numbers, he can - and he hopes to get in touch with other people battling the illness.

I doubt he'll win the Hobey on the basis of sympathy, but who knows?  They may elect to give him an award for impressive play in the face of adversity or something.

[Q]Tom Lento Wrote:

 I'm assuming you're talking about the Sigalet brothers.  Don't know about the skater, but the goalie has posted pretty impressive numbers this year.  He's battling MS, recently diagnosed, so he can't play in every game, but he's posted something like a .917 in the games he has played.  Pretty impressive for a guy with numbness in both hands.

There's an article about him in the latest edition of the USCHO Magazine.[/q]

Well, he impressed a lot of Cornell fans, including myself, last season during BGSU's trip to Lynah.  It was before his MS was diagnosed.  He's definitely got skills...37 Cornell shots, 1 GA.

From http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,28390
[Q]Avash '05 wrote:
I forget who mentioned it already, but Sigalet (BGSU's goalie) made a RIDICULOUS save in third period. He was down on his knees, and he reached up behind him and caught a puck that was headed for the open net. I really could not believe it. That guy really kept them in the game; he had a quick glove, and was easily the first star.[/Q]

He's fallen back to fourth, keep voting!

[Q]duffs4 Wrote:

 He's fallen back to fourth, keep voting![/q]
He's also fallen behind Mattie Five-hole in GAA after last night.

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
He's also fallen behind Mattie Five-hole in GAA after last night.[/q]
i've always called him Mattie-over-my-shoulder-top-shelf-game-winner-Kaltiainen

... but i could be biased :-D

Points Name Team Pos. Year
4576 Colin Murphy Michigan Tech F Sr.
4235 Marty Sertich Colorado College F Jr.
4131 Jordan Sigalet Bowling Green G Sr.
3617 David McKee Cornell G So.

McKee 4th, Moulson 20th.  How many make it to the next round?  Is there any advantage to McKee being higher, or should we reverse the McKee/Moulson votes to bring Moulson up?

[Q]Greg Berge Wrote:

 McKee 4th, Moulson 20th.  How many make it to the next round?  Is there any advantage to McKee being higher, or should we reverse the McKee/Moulson votes to bring Moulson up?[/Q]
Ten advance, but it's not the fans' top ten that you see in the current standings.  From the Hobey website:
"Preliminary Voting: Running from Monday, Jan. 24, through Sunday, March 6, fans may cast one ballot per day for their first-, second- and third-place choices for the Hobey Baker Award. The fans' tally will be combined with the votes of the 58 Division I head coaches to determine the 10 finalists for the award."
So the fans' vote is likely only 1/59 of the total.  How the fans' vote is combined with the coaches' vote is a mystery, as the coaches don't vote for a top ten, but "Every head hockey coach at an accredited Division I NCAA school receives one ballot. Coaches are asked to pick the top three players in their league and the top three players in the nation (two separate rankings, three players each; a player may be listed in both places, and a coach can vote for his own player).
Coaches from 58 schools are eligible. The ballots are tabulated by an accounting firm, and the top ten candidates are named. "

So it's probably best to keep pimping McKee, since (1) he's higher to begin with and (2) he's more likely to gain coaches votes and actually get through to the real finalists.

[Q]jkahn Wrote:

 [Q2]Greg Berge Wrote:

 McKee 4th, Moulson 20th.  How many make it to the next round?  Is there any advantage to McKee being higher, or should we reverse the McKee/Moulson votes to bring Moulson up?[/Q]
Ten advance, but it's not the fans' top ten that you see in the current standings.  From the Hobey website:
"Preliminary Voting: Running from Monday, Jan. 24, through Sunday, March 6, fans may cast one ballot per day for their first-, second- and third-place choices for the Hobey Baker Award. The fans' tally will be combined with the votes of the 58 Division I head coaches to determine the 10 finalists for the award."
So the fans' vote is likely only 1/59 of the total.  How the fans' vote is combined with the coaches' vote is a mystery, as the coaches don't vote for a top ten, but "Every head hockey coach at an accredited Division I NCAA school receives one ballot. Coaches are asked to pick the top three players in their league and the top three players in the nation (two separate rankings, three players each; a player may be listed in both places, and a coach can vote for his own player).
Coaches from 58 schools are eligible. The ballots are tabulated by an accounting firm, and the top ten candidates are named. "[/q]
And the results are kept in a hermetically-sealed mayonnaise jar on Funk & Wagnalls's porch.

Although to be honest, I think Moulson is starting to make a compelling argument for being a legitimate contender himself.

Anyone want to explain to me how Brendan Bernakevitch is Harvard's #2 vote getter, while Welch, with half the votes of Bernakevitch, is a distant 3rd?  Am I missing something?

[Q]atb9 Wrote:

 Anyone want to explain to me how Brendan Bernakevitch is Harvard's #2 vote getter, while Welch, with half the votes of Bernakevitch, is a distant 3rd?  Am I missing something?[/q]
Goons don't attract voters?  ::nut::

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 [Q2]atb9 Wrote:

 Anyone want to explain to me how Brendan Bernakevitch is Harvard's #2 vote getter, while Welch, with half the votes of Bernakevitch, is a distant 3rd?  Am I missing something?[/Q]
Goons don't attract voters?[/q]

Ha!  I'm fine with that but what about Cavanagh?  Maybe I'm looking into this too much...I just saw the name Bernakevitch and did a double-take trying to picture him in my head...that doesn't happen often with Harvard players.

[Q]atb9 Wrote:

 Ha!  I'm fine with that but what about Cavanagh?[/q]
Can't help you regarding Cavanagh.  I'm just glad he's finally graduating.

[Q]atb9 Wrote:

 [Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 [Q2]atb9 Wrote:

 Anyone want to explain to me how Brendan Bernakevitch is Harvard's #2 vote getter, while Welch, with half the votes of Bernakevitch, is a distant 3rd?  Am I missing something?[/Q]
Goons don't attract voters?[/Q]
Ha!  I'm fine with that but what about Cavanagh?  Maybe I'm looking into this too much...I just saw the name Bernakevitch and did a double-take trying to picture him in my head...that doesn't happen often with Harvard players.[/q]


If I'm not mistaken, in the 2003 ECAC Final, I believe it was Bernakevitch who made a nice power move to go right around Charlie Cook and drive the net. The puck appeared to go in as the whistle was blown, but the goal was called off.

[Q]ursaminor Wrote:

 [Q2]Brian Wrote:

   I imagine the are related (maybe even twins), are they really that good?[/Q]
They are five years apart in age, so it is unlikely that they are twins. [/q]

Actually, the record is 110 days. :-O

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=539248

[Q]jeh25 Wrote:

 [Q2]ursaminor Wrote:

 [Q2]Brian Wrote:

   I imagine the are related (maybe even twins), are they really that good?[/Q]
They are five years apart in age, so it is unlikely that they are twins. [/Q]
Actually, the record is 110 days.[/q]Shouldn't the "record" go to twins that both survived the pregnancy?

[Q]ugarte Wrote:
Shouldn't the "record" go to twins that both survived the pregnancy?[/q]
Give the record to the mother (or you'll never hear the end of it.)

5125   Colin Murphy   Michigan Tech   F   Sr.
5094   Jordan Sigalet   Bowling Green   G   Sr.
4729   Marty Sertich   Colorado College   F   Jr.
4192   David McKee   Cornell      G   So.
3758   Keni Gibson      Northeastern   G   Sr.
3410   Scott Mifsud   Vermont      F   Sr.
3374   Bernd Bruckler   Wisconsin      G   Sr.
2953   Barret Ehgoetz   Niagara      F   Sr.
2888   Jason Guerriero   Northeastern   F   Sr.
2808   Brent Walton   Western Michigan   F   Jr.
2578   Tuomas Tarkki   Northern Mich   G   Sr.
2356   Brett Sterling   Colorado College   F   Jr.
2341   Kevin Croxton   Rensselaer      F   Jr.
2105   Jonathan Sigalet   Bowling Green   D   So.
1967   Ryan Potulny   Minnesota      F   So.
1918   Ryan Gale      Niagara      F   Sr.
1900   Matt Moulson   Cornell      F   Jr.
1875   Danny Irmen   Minnesota      F   So.

Looks like a lot more people are voting for Jordan Sigalet as of late since he's moved up to 2nd in voting.  McKee is in 4th and Moulson's moved up to 17th. :-)

[q] Although to be honest, I think Moulson is starting to make a compelling argument for being a legitimate contender himself.[/q]Oh please.  Moulson has been fantastic of late and he's certaonly carrying a lot of the offensive load for the team.  But he doesn't show in the top 20 in scoring (NCAA).  There is absolutely no chance that he'll get a Hobey nomination, let alone win.  The basic numbers (goals, points) rule the day for this kind of award, not any sabermetric stats we can devise (which on another thread Bill Howard showed do not favor Moulson that much anyway).

However, Cornell is known as a defensive team, so to see Moulson tear it up as he has of late, he could get considered by voters.  He needs to stay consistent through this stretch run.  Based on the games this past weekend Moulson deserves the first place votes over McKee, not saying McKee was horrible but he was outplayed by McKenna.

[Q]Brian Wrote:
Based on the games this past weekend Moulson deserves the first place votes over McKee, not saying McKee was horrible but he was outplayed by McKenna.[/q]

Was McKee really outplayed by McKenna?  Because McKenna faced more shots?  Nothing went by McKee and it sounded like he was controlling his rebounds--sounds perfect to me.

Now if you want to talk about the two Clarkson goals...

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 [Q2] Although to be honest, I think Moulson is starting to make a compelling argument for being a legitimate contender himself.[/Q]
Oh please.  Moulson has been fantastic of late and he's certaonly carrying a lot of the offensive load for the team.  But he doesn't show in the top 20 in scoring (NCAA).  There is absolutely no chance that he'll get a Hobey nomination, let alone win.  The basic numbers (goals, points) rule the day for this kind of award, not any sabermetric stats we can devise (which on another thread Bill Howard showed do not favor Moulson that much anyway).[/q]

I meant contender = "deserving to be considered as a finalist," not "going to win."  He's starting to look like he might be the most gifted scorer in the conference.  That's nothing to "oh please" at.  ::screwy::

[q]However, Cornell is known as a defensive team, so to see Moulson tear it up as he has of late, he could get considered by voters.[/q]You're kidding yourself.  Certainly Moulson should get "credit" for the context.  But that's not how it works with the voting.  Forwards win the Hobey based on gaudy offensive numbers.  Defensemen too.  Goalies need exceptional defensive numbers combined with a lack of outstanding offensive candidates in order to win.  And LeNeveu shows that this isn't always enough.

Not trying to be antagonistic here, just realistic.  I'd love to see Cornell players get recognized on the national stage.  I just think it's unlikely to happen this year

Edit: I posted this right at the same time that Greg posted his follow up above.  To make it clear, I agree that Moulson deserves some consideration.  I just don't think he will get it.

I am referring to the weekend as a whole.  The Colgate/St. Lawrence game was played in the St. Lawrence end for most of the first period due to stupid penalties, including several 5 on 3 situations.  To only let up one goal, that's spectacular, not to mention he controlled pratically ever rebound in front of the net against us.  I will say that we were off the mark for most of the game though, a lot of our shots weren't even close to being on net, especially Cook early on.  But overall, I would give goalie of the week to McKenna over McKee.  McKee seems to be having problems controlling his rebounds of late.  There were several times this weekend where our defense could have been helped out by controlling the rebounds, something to work on.

McKee was absolutely outplayed by McKenna in the Cornell-SLU game.  I don't know if McKenna would be consistently better over the course of a season, but McKee is not nearly as good as his numbers (he's a pretty good goaltender, but his numbers are ridiculous) and McKenna played like he's better than his numbers would indicate.

This has nothing to do with the number of shots faced.  McKenna stayed in position, generally stayed under control, and stuffed several high-quality chances.  He got away with a couple of mistakes, but in the end it took a wicked wrister off a great setup to beat him.  He deserved to be the winning goalie in that game.  

At the other end, McKee was pulling himself out of position by chasing wide shots, leaving the post open, and apparently having some trouble following the puck as he was slow to recover more than once (he may also be banged up).  He also left some big rebounds out in front and got lucky on a couple of open nets where the SLU players just plain missed.  On the other hand, he stuffed a couple of good scoring chances in the third to preserve both the 0-0 tie and the 1-0 lead, stayed tough down low, and ended up with a shutout, so it's not like he had a terrible night or anything.  I just think McKenna was better.

[Q]Brian Wrote:
But overall, I would give goalie of the week to McKenna over McKee.[/q]
Here are the numbers for the ECACHL goalies:

(W,W) David McKee              .956%  (44/46)  1.00 GAA (2GA)
(W,W) Dan Yacey                .938%  (45/48)  1.50 GAA (3GA)
(W,W) Dov Grumet-Morris        .925%  (37/40)  1.50 GAA (3GA)
(W,W) Adam D'Alba              .914%  (53/58)  2.50 GAA (5GA)
(W,L) Steve Silverthorn        .935%  (43/46)  1.50 GAA (3GA)
(L,L) Mike McKenna             .945%  (69/73)  2.00 GAA (4GA)

as much as i agree that McKenna stood on his head, it's hard to give goalie of the week to a two loss netminder.
i think it'll be a toss-up between McKee and Yacey. again, i know these awards are pretty meaningless but whatever :-)
i think all six of these guys had pretty good weekends (by the numbers anyway)

Haven't a couple of goalies (SLU, Union) had super games against Cornell ... in defeat?

If McKee is having his ups and downs, it still wasn't enough to convince Davenport he saw light at the end of the tunnel.

In the 8 games played in 2005, McKee has a 7-1 record, a 1.00 GAA and a .953 save percentage, with 2 shutouts. Not bad. He's had to play well, since only one of those 8 games (the 5-0 win @ RPI) was decided by more than 2 goals.

Only a .853 Pct and 1.00 GAA?  Man, McKee really sucks...

Moulson is up to 15th while McKee is holding steady at 4th!  Great job, guys!

[Q]Avash '05 Wrote:

 In the 8 games played in 2005, McKee has a 7-1 record, a 1.00 GAA and a .953 save percentage, with 2 shutouts. Not bad.
[/q]
Since the topic du-jour is precision and significant digits, I get his GAA for January to be 0.994, thanks to the Union OT game.  (Using game minutes in USCHO's box scores)

[Q]RichH Wrote:

 [Q2]Avash '05 Wrote:

 In the 8 games played in 2005, McKee has a 7-1 record, a 1.00 GAA and a .953 save percentage, with 2 shutouts. Not bad.
[/Q]
Since the topic du-jour is precision and significant digits, I get his GAA for January to be 0.994, thanks to the Union OT game.  (Using game minutes in USCHO's box scores)
[/q]
That's six goals given up on one thousand shots-on-goal.  David musta been pretty busy in January. ;-)

[q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
[q]Since the topic du-jour is precision and significant digits, I get his GAA for January to be 0.994, thanks to the Union OT game.  (Using game minutes in USCHO's box scores)
[/Q]
That's six goals given up on one thousand shots-on-goal.  David musta been pretty busy in January.[/q]

It would be if he'd said "Save %" instead of "GAA."

Beeeej

What is the weighting on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place votes?  3:2:1?  5:3:1?

[Q]Beeeej Wrote:

 [Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
[Q2]Since the topic du-jour is precision and significant digits, I get his GAA for January to be 0.994, thanks to the Union OT game.  (Using game minutes in USCHO's box scores)
[/Q]
That's six goals given up on one thousand shots-on-goal.  David musta been pretty busy in January.[/Q]
It would be if he'd said "Save %" instead of "GAA."

Beeeej[/q]
Oops.  Got me.  Not used to seeing GAA below 1.0.  ::uhoh::  ::screwy::

[Q]Greg Berge Wrote:

 What is the weighting on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place votes?  3:2:1?  5:3:1?[/q]

5:3:1

Well it looks like neither McKee nor McKenna get goalie of the week.  Traylen gets that honor:

http://www.ecachockeyleague.com/news/men/ecachl_wk-17_m-players

But McKee and Moulson make it to the honor roll.

http://www.collegesports.com/chat/013105aab.html

Mike Eruzione: At the beginning of the year, I predicted Jimmy Howards from Maine. But after reading the Sports Illustrated article about the goalie for Bowling Green (Jordan Sigalet), I'd it to him on principle alone.

Point proven, sympathy votes!

Say McKee actually made the final round of ten Hobey nominees. Some hotshot netminder out of the Chilliwack Chiefs is going to see the publicity, recall that Davenport bailed, and sign on with Colgate instead.

No good deed goes unpunished.

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 Say McKee actually made the final round of ten Hobey nominees. Some hotshot netminder out of the Chilliwack Chiefs is going to see the publicity, recall that Davenport bailed, and sign on with Colgate instead.

No good deed goes unpunished. [/q] Actually, Chilliwack's goalie has committed to Northern Michigan. :-D

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 Say McKee actually made the final round of ten Hobey nominees. Some hotshot netminder out of the Chilliwack Chiefs is going to see the publicity, recall that Davenport bailed, and sign on with Colgate instead.

No good deed goes unpunished. [/q]

Or he'll remember that Lenny was in the same spot too and then picture himself being an automatic Hobey finalist with Cornell by his Junior year.

This was posted on USCHO:

"McKee's family business has all their employees voting [for David to win the hobey](100's of playground-equipment franchise locations...)."

Very interesting.  His parents are diehard and I like it!  B-]

They better vote harder; David is starting to slide a little, and may be down to fifth by the end of today.

He is already now in fifth.

Beeeej

Northeastern is mobilizing their fanbase better than we are right now.  That's sad.

[Q]Beeeej Wrote:

 He is already now in fifth.

Beeeej[/q]
my vote just tied him for 4th :-)

[q] Northeastern is mobilizing their fanbase better than we are right now. That's sad.[/q]Oh, I don't think so.  I'm a plenty interested and motivated COrnell hockey fan, but I can't be bothered to vote in "Stuff for Hobey" because I know how silly and basically meaningless it is.  (Not to mention the fact that I don't think McKee is the best player in college hockey this year...)

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 [Q2] Northeastern is mobilizing their fanbase better than we are right now. That's sad.[/Q]
Oh, I don't think so.  I'm a plenty interested and motivated COrnell hockey fan, but I can't be bothered to vote in "Stuff for Hobey" because I know how silly and basically meaningless it is.  (Not to mention the fact that I don't think McKee is the best player in college hockey this year...)[/q]
Ditto.

I sent an e-mail this morning to a bunch of friends who I thought might be interested in voting but who probably aren't regular Forum readers, and asked them to pass it along to their such friends as well... if they don't care, or don't think McKee's the best, that's their prerogative (and yours, obviously), but it's still fun to participate in the voting and try to affect the outcome.

Beeeej

Of course online Vote for Hobey is basically meaningless.  In my mind, the whole point of the endeavor is to give a fanbase bragging rights over other fanbases, in that we're able to mobilize our supposedly large fanbase better than others.  In other words, we need to mobilize above and beyond so I can better compete in USCHO flamefests. :-D

In the long run, everything's meaningless... ;-)

I don't disagree with that Beeeej.  If it's a fun exercise in fandom then more power to you.  It may be meaningless, but it's also completely harmless.  I was just replying to Will's scomment about Northeastern rounding up more votes.  Of course, his next post acknowledges that the point is ammo for USCHO flamefests, so it's clear he's not taking it seriously either (which I knew in the first place, so why did I post on this thread again?  :-)  ).

1   David McKee, So, COR   21   15-4-2   1261:04   30   432   .935   1.43
    Matti Kaltiainen, Sr, BC   13   9-3-1   796:52   19   269   .934   1.43
3   Adam D'Alba, Fr, BN   14   9-2-2   792:35   23   369   .941   1.74
4   Dov Grumet-Morris, Sr, HU   17   11-4-2   991:38   29   463   .941   1.75
5   Cory Schneider, Fr, BC   11   8-0-3   679:37   20   232   .921   1.77
6   Tuomas Tarkki, Sr, NMU   20   11-5-3   1127:12   34   522   .939   1.81
7   Steve Silverthorn, Sr, COL   24   18-6-0   1415:18   46   500   .916   1.95
8   John Curry, So, BU   21   12-7-1   1209:21   40   475   .922   1.98
9   Jim Howard, Jr, ME   27   13-8-6   1570:27   52   558   .915   1.99
    Philippe Lamoureux, Fr, UND   14   7-5-2   845:20   28   325   .921   1.99

Looks like he's doing pretty good vs. his NCAA competition.  He get's my vote.

1 David McKee, So, COR 21 15-4-2 1261:04 30 432 .935 1.43 
1 Matti Kaltiainen, Sr, BC 13 9-3-1 796:52 19 269 .934 1.43 
3 Adam D'Alba, Fr, BN 14 9-2-2 792:35 23 369 .941 1.74 
4 Dov Grumet-Morris, Sr, HU 17 11-4-2 991:38 29 463 .941 1.75 
5 Cory Schneider, Fr, BC 11 8-0-3 679:37 20 232 .921 1.77 
6 Tuomas Tarkki, Sr, NMU 20 11-5-3 1127:12 34 522 .939 1.81 
7 Steve Silverthorn, Sr, COL 24 18-6-0 1415:18 46 500 .916 1.95 
8 John Curry, So, BU 21 12-7-1 1209:21 40 475 .922 1.98 
9 Jim Howard, Jr, ME 27 13-8-6 1570:27 52 558 .915 1.99 
9 Philippe Lamoureux, Fr, UND 14 7-5-2 845:20 28 325 .921 1.99 

McKee also looks good in L column. The goalies with fewer losses are splitting time.

Not to say nice things about the Bruins, but Brown has jumped seamlessly from good goalie to good goalie. Not the Cornell didn't and for a bunch of years.

McKee's in danger of falling another spot:
David McKee 6372
Keni Gibson (N'eastern) 6293
(as of 4:30 Thurs.)

Let's keep voting!

If it were an award for the best goalie in the NCAA, it'd be a complete no-brainer - especially for Cornellians - to vote for Dave.  But it's not, it's for the best hockey player in the NCAA, and I'd have to agree, there are probably better hockey players, though how you measure goalies against forwards and defensemen is a rather open-ended philosophical question.

Beeeej

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 [Q2] Northeastern is mobilizing their fanbase better than we are right now. That's sad.[/Q]
Oh, I don't think so.  I'm a plenty interested and motivated COrnell hockey fan, but I can't be bothered to vote in "Stuff for Hobey" because I know how silly and basically meaningless it is.  (Not to mention the fact that I don't think McKee is the best player in college hockey this year...)[/q]

Sigalet in first must be killing you!  ;-) Which is worse, sympathy-stuff or homer-stuff?

Voted yesterday, and then went to vote today but was told I had already voted. Seems they registered yesterday's vote as today's even though I voted around 4 pm yesterday. Interesting...

After watching the Colgate game I would say that McKee is easily one of the best NCAA Players.  Without him tonights game could have easily gone to 'gate.  McKee for Hobey, keep voting!

[Q]duffs4 Wrote:

 After watching the Colgate game I would say that McKee is easily one of the best NCAA Players.  Without him tonights game could have easily gone to 'gate.  McKee for Hobey, keep voting![/q]

It won't let me vote!  It says my vote from yesterday was cast today and that I didn't vote yesterday!  :-(

Same thing for me. I sent a comment to them about that it too so hopefully it'll urge them to figure it out and fix it ::twak::

I found it best to vote early in the morning between 8-9am.  The loading time is not as slow and I haven't had any more problems with the site crashing.  I have checked the standings periodically over the course of the day and the site seems to continually crash especially in the afternoon.

Oddly enough if the voting for the top ten ended today, five of the ten candidates would be goalies.  Keep Voting McKee is getting challenged for 5th!

Northern Michigan's Tarkki has passed McKee.   Keep up the voting, faithful!

[Q]Ben Rocky 04 Wrote:

 Northern Michigan's Tarkki has passed McKee.   Keep up the voting, faithful![/q]

Was it just me or did that happen out of no where?

Some extra motivation for those that aren't voting for McKee:

"He's solid," said Vaughan of McKee. "People look at Cornell, and I think sometimes the goalies get a bum rap because they play so well in front of them. He faced some pretty grade-A chances tonight. The one on Jon Smyth at the side of the net ... that was one of the best saves I've ever seen."

http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20042005/m/02/04/cor-col.php

McKee's getting passed like crazy. I predict he'll fall another spot in the next day. Keep voting!!!:

6) 7956 Jason Guerriero Northeastern F Sr.

7) 7924 David McKee Cornell G So.

8) 7568 Brent Walton Western Michigan F Jr.

McKee still needs your vote.  Keep does votes coming. ::help::

CJ

[Q]puff Wrote:

 Same thing for me. I sent a comment to them about that it too so hopefully it'll urge them to figure it out and fix it[/q]


I had experienced the same problem a few people here had. Before I realized others had experienced the same problem, I wrote the people running the Hobey voting website. I just received the following response, so apparently the problem should be resolved for good.
                           Andy W.

---
Andrew,

HobeyBaker.com upgraded its server late on 2/3/05, and when that changes
was made the server's time was incorrectly set 12 hours ahead. We fixed
that early on the fourth, so you should see no further problems.

Thanks for your interest in the Hobey,
HobeyBaker.com
---

just put McKee up by 1 on Guerrero

Keep voting McKee needs your help!

Northeastern's the only team with two candidates in the top ten.  Their undergrad population is only slightly larger than Cornell's, and I've never had the sense it was exactly a hockey-crazy school (I admit I could be way off, but e.g., they don't have an online fan forum that I could find).  Anybody have a sneaking suspicion someone at Northeastern is running a script of some kind?

Yeah, it's not exactly the most important thing in the world for me to be worrying about right now, but seriously, it's a little odd.

Beeeej

Their two player point total rivals that of the Sigalet brothers (20.9k compared with 22.3k for the Sigalets) and the Sigalet brothers are getting the SI boost!  Moulson and McKee have a total of approx 15k.  Highly suspicious to have two players in the top 5 when neither are getting a national bounce (through the press or statistical standings) but I would think they would have caught a script by now.  If they take a time stamp and log the IP then it wouldn't be hard to figure out who is running a script.

I guess the explanation is that Hockey East fans are voting for these N'Eastern guys, which doesnt make sense in light of the other potential stars they have to chose from.  It seems to me that Kaltiainen or Pat Eaves or Jim Howard be getting all the votes instead...

The problem is, everyone hates Maine and BC, but they only take pity on Northeastern. :-D

Why do people keep voting for Sasha for hobey?  He has no way of showing off his skills being out with his injury.  Save your votes for him and vote for him next year.  Just seems like a lot of wasted votes, especially since he is injured for the remainder of the regular season, atleast.

Yes, but Northeastern is the school that brought us Napster.  I smell a [clever, enviable] rat.  ::uptosomething::

McKee has fallen to 7th in voting.  Lets keep him in the top 10!

Current:

16765 Jordan Sigalet Bowling Green G Sr. 
16683 Tuomas Tarkki Northern Michigan G Sr. 
12893 Keni Gibson Northeastern G Sr. 
12736 Marty Sertich Colorado College F Jr. 
12135 Colin Murphy Michigan Tech F Sr. 
11154 Jason Guerriero Northeastern F Sr. 
10689 David McKee Cornell G So. 
10584 Brent Walton Western Michigan F Jr. 
 8813 Barret Ehgoetz Niagara F Sr. 
 8703 Bernd Bruckler Wisconsin G Sr. 

A protracted, organized push can bring him back up to 3rd.

As of the time of this writing, Tarkki is 34 votes away from overtaking Sigalet.

And not even four minutes later, Tarkki has overtaken Sigalet.  I suspect foul play.

And a scant four or so minutes after that, Sigalet is back on top, barely.  I suspect foul play from multiple fanbases. :-D  I'm going to stop these posts now.

[q]A protracted, organized push can bring him back up to 3rd.[/q]

And it looks like he's in no realistic danger of dropping below 8th if we keep up our current pace.

But I've already e-mailed everyone I can think of, and I'm not gonna harass them every day.  The protracted, organized push needs to come from others.  :-{)}

Beeeej

Beeeej, I had your email to the AZ Alumni Club forwarded to me by two different people, neither of whom reads this board, so I think your email harassment is working!  :-D

That's excellent... esp. since I didn't actually e-mail the AZ Alumni Club.  Guess the e-mail is getting around.  :-D

Beeeej

McKee still needs your vote.  He needs to stay in the top 10  ::help::

Why doesn't Cornell get behind this and help, other schools do this for their players?

Someone should hold up a sign with the URL at the last home games.

[Q]WC ' 83 Wrote:

 Why doesn't Cornell get behind this and help, other schools do this for their players?[/q]
I think honestly I could live without davidmckee.com -- at least for another two years. :-P

It's good to show fan support via voting and all, but... he is a sophomore, and not as well publicized as LeNeveu was.  Chances he'll be honestly considered by the people that do the real decision making are pretty slim in my opinion.

I honestly think you should check out davidmckee.com.  Seriously, it seems to be a great sight.  ;-) :-P

In case anybody was wondering (I wasn't), IT is still up: http://www.yanndanis.com

Note: run with sound on.

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

 In case anybody was wondering (I wasn't), IT is still up: [/q]
SIX FEET 190 POUNDS OF PURE SAFETY!

Why is there a picture of Nickerson on davidmckee.com?  http://www.davidmckee.com/images/Anna_1_640.jpg

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

 Why is there a picture of Nickerson on davidmckee.com?  [/q]
Not to mention small children!

Crap, what are we going to name our site then?  davidmckee.org just isn't flashy enough...

You'd be surprised at how many sites are taken.  For example http://www.bearsgonewild.com/ is a fat hairy gay exhibitionist site.  ::twitch::   ::uhoh::   :-O

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

 You'd be surprised at how many sites are taken.  For example http://www.bearsgonewild.com/ is a fat hairy gay exhibitionist site.[/q]

Let's not go into just how scary it is that you know that of your own volition.

[Q]Section A Banshee Wrote:

 [Q2]Trotsky Wrote:

 Why is there a picture of Nickerson on davidmckee.com?  [/Q]
Not to mention small children!

Crap, what are we going to name our site then?  davidmckee.org just isn't flashy enough...[/q] If I may step in, isn't davidmckee.net the obvious choice? :-)

[q]Trotsky Wrote:

Crap, what are we going to name our site then?  davidmckee.org just isn't flashy enough...[/q]

can I suggest something simple like mckee4hobey.com ?

ursaminor's mckee.net simply can't be beat as a name, and we should all be embarrassed not have thought of it ourselves. Or to paraphrase the Oscar Wilde saying, "I wish I'd thought of that." "Don't worry, you will."