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Title: Week 12 Editorial Now Available
Post by: CowbellGuy on January 21, 2005, 11:19:32 AM
http://www.elynah.com/?editorial&id=23
Title: Re: Week 12 Editorial Now Available
Post by: atb9 on January 21, 2005, 11:42:48 AM
I fast forwarded straight to the score predictions...good work, Ari--no shutout predictions!  ;-)

Age and Ari, thanks so much for producing these Cornell hockey columns!  I can't get enough of Cornell hockey and it always seems like Juan Martinez gives us the cold shoulder unless he would get embarrassed for ignoring our big games.
Title: Re: Week 12 Editorial Now Available
Post by: billhoward on January 21, 2005, 01:23:40 PM
Nice column and most everyone agrees Cornell's work ethic pays off. At the same time, so does luck. If you win say two-thirds of your close games then maybe you are good and not just lucky. Right now we're sort of unlucky in games of one goal or less - the OT win against Union offset by three one-goal losses to Dartmouth, BC (plus an ENG), and Harvard, plus two OT ties. We have 4 of a possible 12 points.
Title: Re: Week 12 Editorial Now Available
Post by: KeithK on January 21, 2005, 01:35:02 PM
Sabermetricians in baseball often point out that winning or losing one run games is mostly a matter of luck.  Great teams don't win all the close the ones, as some say, but instead make sure a lot of games are not close (win by several runs).  Stats do seem to point to this conclusion.

Hockey's a different sport and the style of play that Cornell employs will, I think, tend to result in more close games.  (The LA Dodgers of 2003, as much of a pitching defense team as any in recent memeory, was still a lot more likely to post a 10-2 win on any given night  than Cornell hockey is.)  However, I suspect the close-game-are-luck idea still comes into play here, albeit to a lesser degree.  If your lead is one goal then a bad bounce, a break or a short stretch of bad play can cost you the game pretty quickly (see the game at Vermont).  The best way to win a lot of games is not to win the close ones.  It's to to make sure games aren't that close.  (Note: I'm not playing the Chief's role here.  In the Cornell hockey context a two goal lead can make a big difference.)
Title: Re: Week 12 Editorial Now Available
Post by: Greg Berge on January 21, 2005, 03:25:36 PM
Call "close games" those which are within a +/-1 goal margin with less than 10 minutes to play in regulation.

T 1-1 at Michigan State
T 2-2 at Vermont
L 1-2 at Dartmouth
W 5-3 Princeton (4-3 with 8:50 to play)
L 2-4 vs BC (2-3 with 1:08 to play)
W 4-3 vs Maine
L 0-1 at Harvard
W 2-1 at Union

Record in close games: 3-3-2
Title: Re: Week 12 Editorial Now Available
Post by: Greg Berge on January 21, 2005, 03:31:43 PM
The only games which have changed state at any point within the third period or overtime are:

T 2-2 at Vermont (blew at 2-0 lead in the third) Net point loss: 1
L 1-2 at Dartmouth (blew a 1-1 tie in overtime) Net point loss: 1
L 2-4 vs BC (blew a 2-2 tie in the third) Net point loss: 1
L 0-1 at Harvard (blew a 0-0 tie in the third) Net point loss: 1
W 2-1 at Union (overcame a 1-1 tie in overtime) Net point gain: 1

So that might be a cause for concern: a net point loss of 3 in the third period and overtime for the season.  In fact, prior to the Union win, in 16 games Cornell was 0-3-1 in games which changed state compared to 10-1-1 in games which remained stable.
Title: Re: Week 12 Editorial Now Available
Post by: billhoward on January 21, 2005, 04:41:52 PM
Best use of "chang[ed] state" outside of physics or chemisty I've heard lately. You're right that a game that's close in the third period or with 10 minutes to go is probably a better indication of a close game than the final score. And by that measure also our record is less than stellar.

Keith noted that one-run / one-goal games are often a matter of luck. A 9-8 game may be more a matter of luck than a 2-1 game but they're equally scary because it's still one breakaway or lucky wrist shot away from being tied.

Funny how being ahead 4-2 in the third seems a fragile lead, and being behind by the same score seems to be insurmountable.