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Title: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: duffs4 on October 31, 2004, 05:56:51 PM
I was looking through the team stats for the nation and to my surprise Cornell is #1 in team offense, team defense, penalty killing, and is number four on the power play [http://www.uscho.com/stats/conf.php?conf=d1] :-O .  I know we haven't played the toughest of opponents, but it's a good place to start after the first full weekend.  GO RED!
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Avash on October 31, 2004, 06:07:47 PM
[Q]duffs4 Wrote:

 I was looking through the team stats for the nation and to my surprise Cornell is #1 in team offense, team defense, penalty killing, and is number four on the power play   .  I know we haven't played the toughest of opponents, but it's a good place to start after the first full weekend.  GO RED!



Edited 2 times. Last edit at 10/31/04 06:02PM by duffs4.[/q]


...not to mention, tied for first in winning percentage ;-)

Perhaps more impressive, even though it's only been 2 games, is that we're second to last in the NCAA in penalty minutes per game.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Will on October 31, 2004, 06:51:51 PM
It's nice to see, sure, but we all know that it doesn't mean anything when it's only two games and one of them was Army.  If by the end of the calendar year we're still up there, then we'll have reason to talk.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on October 31, 2004, 07:08:28 PM
Schafer must have the officials in his pocket, because everybody knows that Cornell only can play "clutch and grab."  :-P

Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: pfibiger on October 31, 2004, 07:13:46 PM
Also interesting: Last year our defensemen had a grand total of 6 goals over the entire season. This year, two games in, they've already scored 5.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: calgARI '07 on October 31, 2004, 07:41:18 PM
I'm actually writing my column this week on the blueline's offensive output over the weekend.  The defense scored 9 goals last year, not 6.  Gleed had 3, Cook had 2, Wallace had 2, Glover had 1, and Salmela had 1.  But point taken all the same.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: pfibiger on October 31, 2004, 07:56:17 PM
ah yes. perhaps i should check which column i'm looking at in the elynah db when i'm adding up numbers.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: billhoward on November 01, 2004, 10:01:29 AM
... the first weekend results are great. 'course, Cornell didn't exactly bring in North Dakota and Notre Dame.

Not to see the darker side, but: Wouldn't it have been nicer to have been 7-0 and 7-0 scores?
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: BCrespi on November 01, 2004, 08:24:32 PM
[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Not to see the darker side, but: Wouldn't it have been nicer to have been 7-0 and 7-0 scores? [/q]

Yes, it would have, especially in the Army game.  The goal was quite weak, right at the start of the third, seemed to go 5-hole on McKee from the blue-line.  Not to nitpick after such an exciting weekend, even against weaker teams, but it seems like Dave can look so great one moment and lose total focus the next.  Hopefully he'll improve on that with maturity.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: duffs4 on November 01, 2004, 08:38:30 PM
I thought Dave looked great this weekend.  I think the goal he let in against army is something we used to see spoil a lot of shut outs Lenny should have had, and the one by SH, there were three Cornell players sreening him as well as a couple SH players.  I think the only thing that Dave M has to prove after last year and the short beginning of this one is that he can play in the playoffs.  Go Red!
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: BCrespi on November 01, 2004, 09:29:24 PM
I agree, I think Dave is a very good goalie, I just noted that he simply seems to let in easy goals on weak shots while he is very strong on tough plays in traffic and under pressure, etc.  Anyway, let's go Dave and let's go Red.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: RichH on November 01, 2004, 09:45:57 PM
Schafer's words:

[q]"There are games last year where there is no doubt in my mind that David could have had the best goals-against average in the country. However, to do that, you can't give up many soft goals in order to achieve that status. You can go long periods, stretches without shots, and then all of a sudden, face a tough one. And that to me is what separates the great goaltenders from the good ones, for a guy to be able to stand there for a long period of time and all of a sudden face a real tough shot and control the rebound or not give up a real bad rebound or make the save. And that is the next step for David." [/q]
from http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20041028/localsports/1491533.html

Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: billhoward on November 01, 2004, 10:21:49 PM
[Q]RichH Wrote:

 Schafer's words:

[Q2]"There are games last year where there is no doubt in my mind that David could have had the best goals-against average in the country. However, to do that, you can't give up many soft goals in order to achieve that status. You can go long periods, stretches without shots, and then all of a sudden, face a tough one. And that to me is what separates the great goaltenders from the good ones, for a guy to be able to stand there for a long period of time and all of a sudden face a real tough shot and control the rebound or not give up a real bad rebound or make the save. And that is the next step for David." [/Q]
from

[/q]

So the coach is speaking to David through the Journal and letting a couple thousand others listen in.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on November 02, 2004, 08:50:00 AM
I'll give Schafer the benefit of the doubt that anything he's saying to the Urinal he's already said to his players.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: billhoward on November 02, 2004, 09:04:18 AM
McKee seeing the coach's words in print, helps underscore the point Schafer almost certainly made already. Somebody who punches out his own hand probably isn't going to let his thoughts remain internal and not shared them with the team.

You're right that a player would be unhappy - can't ask for a trade, but he could perform below his abilities, maybe think about a transfer - if the coach doesn't say it directly first. Actually, there are instances where the coach (another school, another sport) might use the media as his messenger, for instance, "It is understood that the Alabama offense coaches have been impressed with the play of backup quarterback Bobby Rae Jordan, so much so that if starter Billy Rae Jordan had off stretches like he did in the third quarter against Vanderbilt, there'd be a possibility Bobby Rae might spell Billy Rae for a couple series of downs." That's actually the head coach telling Billy Rae to light a fire under his non-competitive butt.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Greg Berge on November 02, 2004, 09:15:36 AM
For that matter, Mike may not have been playing some double-bank-shot headgame... he may have just been answering an interviewer's question honestly.

(I know, November is not National Honesty Month.)
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Red Man on November 02, 2004, 10:43:45 AM
You're getting a little ahead of yourself there.  They essentially played Hobart and Community College of the Finger Lakes last weekend.  Lets see how they do against Harvard this weekend  
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: puff on November 02, 2004, 10:51:00 AM
It might not mean anything, but it really looks pretty.

And yep, this weekend should be a good test. Great weekend of hockey ahead of us.

Side note: my condolences to all the Navy midn who have to go to the birthday ball friday rather than the game. :`(
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: KeithK on November 02, 2004, 11:29:37 AM
Besides, it's not like Schafer's comment is some great revelation.  McKee knows that the goal he let in was soft.  Plus the comment sounded like constructive criticism to me.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Liz \'05 on November 02, 2004, 03:23:50 PM
[Q]puff Wrote:

Side note: my condolences to all the Navy midn who have to go to the birthday ball friday rather than the game.[/q]

Thanks, puff, for the sentiment.  It sucks to not be able to go to my senior year Harvard (sucks) game.  One question remains, though - how on earth did you get out of it?  Did "Sir, I'm going to Dunbars for the cheap pitchers and then to the hockey game, so I won't make it to the ball" really work?  I'm totally stealing that line for next year if it did.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: puff on November 02, 2004, 05:47:11 PM
Not only do i have friends in low places, i'm also special. :-D
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: jtwcornell91 on November 03, 2004, 05:57:56 PM
[Q]billhoward Wrote:
So the coach is speaking to David through the Journal and letting a couple thousand others listen in. [/q]

Schafer's done that a lot over the years, but the key thing is that it's always in a complimentary way, like, we were having a problem with that and now we've fixed it, or this improvement is needed to go from good to great, and that's what's next.  He's put public pressure on his goalie to take it up a notch, but he's done it in a way that implies he believes that's exactly what McKee's capable of.

Contrast this to Mark Morris's regular habit when he was at Clarkson flat-out bad-mouthing his players to the press.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Josh '99 on November 03, 2004, 09:46:46 PM
[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:Contrast this to Mark Morris's regular habit when he was at Clarkson flat-out bad-mouthing his players to the press.[/q]And, you know, beating them.   ::uhoh::
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: DisplacedCornellian on November 03, 2004, 11:39:29 PM
Your coach beats you *clap* *clap*  *clapclapclap*.
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Josh '99 on November 04, 2004, 12:15:23 AM
I think that belongs in the "Best Cheers" thread.   ::laugh::
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Ack on November 04, 2004, 12:17:35 AM
[Q]jmh30 Wrote:

 I think that belongs in the "Best Cheers" thread.    [/q]

Unless there's a statistic on that...who knows?  We could sing that to the tune of Mary Had A Little Lamb, "...your coach beat you....7 times!"
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Avash on November 06, 2004, 10:42:00 PM
update: through 4 games: #1 offense, #1 defense, #1 power play, #1 penalty kill.

Next weekend is huge.

Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Will on November 06, 2004, 11:06:20 PM
I think next weekend was going to be huge no matter what.  Nevertheless...man, this is gonna be huge. ;-)
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: French Rage on November 07, 2004, 12:09:02 AM
To quote the Fuccillo Auto Mall: "HUUUUUUUUUGE!"
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Mike Hedrick 01 on November 07, 2004, 12:13:38 AM
Ugh.   I'm from Watertown - please don't quote Billy Fucillo!   I've gone all the way to Washington DC to escape him!   ;-)
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: calgARI '07 on November 07, 2004, 12:44:40 AM
Most amazing stat:  Every single Cornell skater that has played in all four games has at least TWO points.  
Title: Re: WOW!!!!(team Statistics)
Post by: Will on November 07, 2004, 08:57:17 AM
Heh, who said our team can't generate offense?  Now it appears that all of our skaters can generate offense, and then some. :-D