Let's Go Red!
I forget if the ECAC Tourney reseeds after the quarterfinal round. Does anyone remember? If not, if we are fortunate enough to get by Clarkson there's going to be a guaranteed rematch of at least one of last year's final four games from Albany.
[Q]Big Red Colonel Wrote:
Let's Go Red!
I forget if the ECAC Tourney reseeds after the quarterfinal round. Does anyone remember?
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Yes, I remember. They do.
let's go red! Make sure you guys outcheer the visiting puke and snot fans :) or should i say moldin' knights :-D
won't be at the games b/c of a big test monday and my fiancee's shower saturday. sending a part of the moulson family instead. LGR!
The alltime between these teams is Clarkson 43 Cornell 42 Tie 9. If Cornell can hold serve at Lynah, they will have a winning record against Clarkson for the first time since 1926.
Clarkson led at one point 27-14-1.
Clarkson
Count Yr # in Yr Cor Opp Result Site W L T
1 1923 2. 0- 0 T Home 0 0 1
2 1926 1. 2- 1 W Home 1 0 1
3 1927 1. 1- 2 L Home 1 1 1
4 1928 1. 1- 4 L Home 1 2 1
5 1929 4. 2- 5 L Home 1 3 1
6 1930 2. 0- 8 L Home 1 4 1
7 1931 5. 2- 5 L Home 1 5 1
8 1938 2. 0- 10 L Away 1 6 1
9 1939 4. 1- 9 L Away 1 7 1
10 1948 2. 0- 10 L Away 1 8 1
11 1963 6. 3- 8 L Neutral 1 9 1
12 1964 5. 0- 7 L Home 1 10 1
13 1965 5. 3- 4 L Away 1 11 1
14 1966 5. 1- 2 L Home 1 12 1
15 1966 27. 2- 6 L Neutral 1 13 1
16 1967 3. 3- 2 W Away 2 13 1
17 1968 8. 5- 2 W Neutral 3 13 1
18 1970 27. 3- 2 W Neutral 4 13 1
19 1970 29. 6- 4 W Neutral 5 13 1
20 1971 15. 1- 2 L Away 5 14 1
21 1971 26. 1- 4 L Neutral 5 15 1
22 1972 16. 2- 4 L Home 5 16 1
23 1973 6. 1- 10 L Neutral 5 17 1
24 1973 23. 6- 1 W Home 6 17 1
25 1973 26. 9- 4 W Neutral 7 17 1
26 1974 23. 10- 1 W Away 8 17 1
27 1975 15. 4- 1 W Home 9 17 1
28 1976 9. 2- 4 L Neutral 9 18 1
29 1976 13. 4- 6 L Away 9 19 1
30 1976 27. 9- 7 W Away 10 19 1
31 1977 14. 11- 8 W Home 11 19 1
32 1977 29. 5- 4 W Neutral 12 19 1
33 1978 13. 10- 2 W Away 13 19 1
34 1979 12. 4- 10 L Home 13 20 1
35 1980 11. 6- 14 L Away 13 21 1
36 1980 13. 7- 4 W Home 14 21 1
37 1981 21. 2- 5 L Away 14 22 1
38 1982 9. 1- 4 L Home 14 23 1
39 1982 21. 1- 4 L Home 14 24 1
40 1983 22. 4- 8 L Away 14 25 1
41 1984 22. 5- 6 L Home 14 26 1
42 1985 4. 1- 3 L Away 14 27 1
43 1985 20. 4- 2 W Home 15 27 1
44 1985 30. 5- 3 W Neutral 16 27 1
45 1986 4. 3- 3 T Home 16 27 2
46 1986 20. 4- 2 W Away 17 27 2
47 1986 30. 3- 2 W Neutral 18 27 2
48 1987 4. 0- 7 L Away 18 28 2
49 1987 20. 0- 5 L Home 18 29 2
50 1988 4. 4- 2 W Home 19 29 2
51 1988 18. 4- 3 W Away 20 29 2
52 1988 26. 3- 4 L Home 20 30 2
53 1988 27. 4- 2 W Home 21 30 2
54 1989 3. 5- 4 W Away 22 30 2
55 1989 20. 3- 2 W Home 23 30 2
56 1989 27. 5- 3 W Away 24 30 2
57 1989 28. 0- 0 T Away 24 30 3
58 1990 3. 5- 5 T Home 24 30 4
59 1990 20. 2- 2 T Away 24 30 5
60 1991 4. 3- 3 T Away 24 30 6
61 1991 19. 4- 2 W Home 25 30 6
62 1992 4. 1- 4 L Home 25 31 6
63 1992 19. 1- 3 L Away 25 32 6
64 1992 28. 4- 3 W Neutral 26 32 6
65 1993 4. 3- 3 T Away 26 32 7
66 1993 19. 0- 3 L Home 26 33 7
67 1994 17. 3- 6 L Away 26 34 7
68 1994 22. 4- 3 W Home 27 34 7
69 1995 17. 4- 4 T Home 27 34 8
70 1995 22. 2- 1 W Away 28 34 8
71 1995 29. 2- 6 L Away 28 35 8
72 1995 30. 2- 7 L Away 28 36 8
73 1996 16. 6- 3 W Home 29 36 8
74 1996 29. 1- 2 L Away 29 37 8
75 1996 33. 3- 0 W Neutral 30 37 8
76 1997 14. 2- 5 L Away 30 38 8
77 1997 28. 1- 3 L Home 30 39 8
78 1997 33. 2- 1 W Neutral 31 39 8
79 1998 18. 2- 1 W Home 32 39 8
80 1998 29. 3- 4 L Away 32 40 8
81 1999 12. 2- 6 L Away 32 41 8
82 1999 29. 1- 4 L Home 32 42 8
83 2000 6. 10- 4 W Home 33 42 8
84 2000 21. 8- 3 W Away 34 42 8
85 2000 30. 4- 2 W Neutral 35 42 8
86 2001 7. 2- 1 W Neutral 36 42 8
87 2001 18. 2- 1 W Home 37 42 8
88 2001 27. 0- 2 L Away 37 43 8
89 2002 18. 1- 0 W Away 38 43 8
90 2002 27. 5- 3 W Home 39 43 8
91 2003 15. 3- 2 W Away 40 43 8
92 2003 18. 3- 0 W Home 41 43 8
93 2004 5. 2- 2 T Away 41 43 9
94 2004 29. 2- 1 W Home 42 43 9
You're going all out to jinx us, aren't you? ;-)
Double secret reverse anti-jinxing doesn't work either... ;-)
Do any other currently active D-I teams hold significant winning records (that is, they haven't just played us once or twice) over us?
Opponent W L T GF GA
Air Force 5 0 0 29 7
Alabama-Huntsville 2 0 0 11 3
Alaska-Fairbanks 1 0 0 5 2
Amer. Intl. 1 0 0 7 0
Amherst 1 0 0 4 0
*Army 14 15 1 110 126
BC 22 14 2 197 156
*Bowdoin 0 2 0 1 9
*Bowling Green 1 4 1 21 24
British Columbia 1 0 0 5 2
Brown 56 38 5 414 326
BU 23 16 1 154 144
Buffalo 1 0 0 10 0
Cascadilla 1 0 0 5 0
Case 1 0 0 5 1
*Clarkson 42 43 9 293 356
*Colby 0 1 0 0 11
Colgate 61 53 8 453 407
Colorado College 2 1 0 16 22
Columbia 4 3 0 26 14
Concordia 2 2 0 18 15
Dartmouth 64 36 2 476 340
Denver 4 4 0 28 29
*Ferris State 1 2 0 10 14
Guelph 6 0 0 45 4
*Hamilton 13 14 0 106 96
Harvard 61 49 7 417 453
*Lake Superior State 0 2 0 6 8
Laurentian 1 0 0 11 2
Lehigh 1 0 0 3 1
Lehigh Club 2 0 0 25 4
Loyola 3 0 0 24 10
Loyola, Mont. 1 0 0 7 0
Maine 6 4 2 45 36
Mankato State 1 0 0 5 2
Massachusetts 2 2 0 12 9
McGill 2 0 1 28 11
McMaster 1 0 0 14 2
Mercyhurst 0 0 1 3 3
Merrimack 1 1 0 6 4
*Miami-Ohio 1 2 0 9 11
*Michigan 2 3 1 22 32
*Michigan State 1 2 0 9 17
Michigan Tech 1 1 0 7 10
Middlebury 4 2 0 22 35
Minn.-Duluth 1 0 0 2 1
*Minnesota 0 1 0 2 5
MIT 3 2 1 18 13
*New Hampshire 10 11 0 92 93
Niagara 3 2 0 12 10
*North Dakota 1 3 0 5 14
Northeastern 12 2 0 82 42
*Northern Michigan 2 3 0 18 22
*Norwich 0 2 0 4 11
*Notre Dame 1 3 0 16 16
*Ohio State 5 6 0 29 32
Ohio University 1 0 0 9 0
*Ontario Ag. Col. 0 1 0 0 9
Ottawa 2 0 1 28 8
Penn State 1 0 0 8 1
Pennsylvania 33 4 3 295 93
Plattsburgh St. 1 0 0 5 1
Princeton 71 41 7 492 412
*Providence 8 9 1 82 85
Queen 2 0 1 14 8
Quinnipiac 1 0 1 8 3
Rochester 2 0 0 17 0
RPI 47 29 3 328 253
*Sacred Heart 0 1 0 3 5
Seibu-Japan 1 0 0 4 2
Seneca College 1 0 0 13 1
Sir George Williams 1 0 0 7 0
St. Lawrence 46 36 5 362 286
St. Louis 3 0 0 17 6
Swarthmore 1 0 0 4 1
Syracuse 7 0 0 27 7
Syracuse Stars 0 0 1 6 6
Toronto 7 4 1 48 42
U.S. International 3 0 0 17 4
UMass-Amherst 2 0 0 10 2
Union 19 9 4 124 76
Vermont 31 12 7 197 145
Waterloo 8 2 0 68 32
Western Michigan 7 1 1 36 20
Western Ontario 9 0 0 58 16
Western Reserve 1 0 0 13 0
Wilfrid Laurier 3 0 0 18 4
*Williams 1 12 0 24 69
*Wisconsin 2 3 0 17 21
Yale 72 48 2 483 420
York 7 1 0 68 27
Grand Total 859 564 80 6,314 5,082
We have a losing record against Army? Wow, that's sad. At least the rest of those still active D-I teams are halfway respectable programs (well, maybe not Sacred Heart...grrr...). But Army?! I'd say that we should schedule some NC games against them sometime in the near future to rectify that, if their super-low RPI wouldn't impact our own RPI, no matter the result.
So in terms of wins minus losses, Williams holds the biggest advantage over us!
wow i remember having a conversation about being 11 games or so below .500 against clarkson back during my years on the hill with a clarkson fan up at placid. seems like so long ago but that wasnt. wish i could be there. section A give the moulson fam a warm welcome friday :-D
When did Cornell play Seibu, and why?
Seibu has a hockey team?
Since Schafer:
Opponent W L T +/- GF GA
Air Force 1 0 0 1 6 2
Alabama-Huntsville 2 0 0 2 11 3
Army 0 1 1 -1 2 5
BC 1 0 0 1 2 1
Bowling Green 0 1 1 -1 3 4
Brown 14 2 3 12 67 33
BU 3 2 0 1 17 16
Clarkson 14 7 1 7 65 50
Colgate 11 9 3 2 63 52
Colorado College 0 1 0 -1 0 11
Dartmouth 8 9 1 -1 52 48
Ferris State 1 2 0 -1 10 14
Harvard 20 4 2 16 94 60
Lake Superior State 0 1 0 -1 4 5
Maine 0 2 2 -2 6 8
Mankato State 1 0 0 1 5 2
Mercyhurst 0 0 1 0 3 3
Merrimack 1 1 0 0 6 4
Miami-Ohio 1 1 0 0 8 7
Michigan 0 0 1 0 3 3
Michigan State 0 1 0 -1 2 6
New Hampshire 0 2 0 -2 5 7
Niagara 3 2 0 1 12 10
North Dakota 0 2 0 -2 3 11
Northeastern 2 0 0 2 8 4
Northern Michigan 0 1 0 -1 3 4
Notre Dame 1 0 0 1 4 0
Ohio State 4 4 0 0 24 23
Princeton 16 5 2 11 85 53
Providence 1 2 0 -1 9 13
Quinnipiac 1 0 1 1 8 3
RPI 15 9 1 6 82 66
Sacred Heart 0 1 0 -1 3 5
St. Lawrence 8 9 3 -1 55 52
UMass-Amherst 2 0 0 2 10 2
Union 10 5 3 5 50 36
Vermont 11 2 3 9 64 33
Western Michigan 6 1 1 5 28 17
Wisconsin 1 0 0 1 3 2
Yale 12 7 1 5 59 48
Grand Total 171 96 31 75 944 726
Cornell played Seibu-Japan during the University of British Columbia holiday tournament in 1986.
Saturday will be Schafer's 300th game.
For the heck of it, here's Ned:
Opponent W L T +/- GF GA
Amer. Intl. 1 0 0 1 7 0
BC 11 0 0 11 63 24
Brown 12 5 1 7 77 53
BU 9 0 1 9 43 19
Clarkson 4 4 0 0 23 29
Colgate 13 1 0 12 75 21
Dartmouth 12 2 0 10 108 23
Denver 0 3 0 -3 6 13
Guelph 5 0 0 5 38 2
Hamilton 4 0 0 4 43 2
Harvard 15 2 0 13 92 45
Loyola 1 0 0 1 5 1
Loyola, Mont. 1 0 0 1 7 0
McMaster 1 0 0 1 14 2
Michigan 0 1 0 -1 1 7
Michigan State 1 0 0 1 3 2
Michigan Tech 1 0 0 1 4 3
Minn.-Duluth 1 0 0 1 2 1
New Hampshire 1 0 0 1 8 1
North Dakota 1 1 0 0 2 3
Northeastern 2 0 0 2 13 3
Ottawa 1 0 0 1 10 3
Pennsylvania 7 0 0 7 82 9
Princeton 14 1 0 13 82 29
Queen 1 0 0 1 4 2
RPI 7 2 0 5 50 25
Sir George Williams 1 0 0 1 7 0
St. Lawrence 12 1 0 11 67 18
Toronto 3 0 0 3 10 3
Waterloo 4 0 0 4 19 10
Western Ontario 4 0 0 4 29 5
Wisconsin 1 0 0 1 2 1
Yale 11 4 0 7 87 36
York 1 0 0 1 15 0
Grand Total 163 27 2 136 1,098 395
Consolidate the Loyolas, Greg.;-)
Did we miss the milestone of Schafer passing Ned for second in career wins behind Bertrand?
Yer pissin' me off, Al. (But yeah, I consolidated them.)
[Q]Greg Berge Wrote:
The alltime between these teams is Clarkson 43 Cornell 42 Tie 9. If Cornell can hold serve at Lynah, they will have a winning record against Clarkson for the first time since 1926.
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The problem is that both Cornell and Clarkson Athletic Departments claimed prior to the 2/28/04 game that the All-Time record was 44-41-9 in Clarkson's favor. (See below links). With the Cornell win, that makes the record officially 44-42-9.
http://cornellbigred.ocsn.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/022604aaa.html
http://www.clarksonathletics.com/News/mhock/2004/2/23/mhocatColCor.asp?path=mhock
My guess is that TBRW missed a game somewhere. They have a year-by-year results section of their media guide online, but I'm not going to sort through it.
http://www.clarksonathletics.com/Sports/mhock/2003/234mhocmediaguide.asp
Interestingly, with the Clarkson loss to Harvard in February, the Crimson have closed to 41-40-8 vs. Clarkson (according to Clarkson Athletics). Again, no ECAC team has a winning record vs. the Knights.
[Q]RichH Wrote:
My guess is that TBRW missed a game somewhere. They have a year-by-year results section of their media guide online, but I'm not going to sort through it. [/Q]
On a whim, I checked one thing. The discrepancy is most likely the "mini-game" in the 1988 playoffs. The above records don't show that game (that Clarkson won), while it unfortunately probably counts as an official game.
This sort of thing always annoys me (I have OCD)
but Clarkson's media guide says that Cornell has one less win then you have.
[Q]Petunia Wrote:
This sort of thing always annoys me (I have OCD)
but Clarkson's media guide says that Cornell has one less win then you have.
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Greg's records include the games played this season (2003-2004). The Clarkson media guide was printed before this season. So the Cornell win last weekend (and the tie in November) aren't included in the Clarkson Media Guide.
I know but I added in this year's 1-0-1, that makes it off by 1 game.
[Q]Petunia Wrote:
I know but I added in this year's 1-0-1, that makes it off by 1 game.
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OK, I addressed this elsewhere in the thread then. It isn't one less Cornell win, it's one more Clarkson win.
Using the media guide:
All-time record before this season: 44-41-8 (Clarkson)
after the 2003-2004 1-0-1: 44-42-9 (Clarkson)
Greg's record: 43-42-9 (which doesn't include 1988 playoff mini-game)
[Q]RichH Wrote:
On a whim, I checked one thing. The discrepancy is most likely the "mini-game" in the 1988 playoffs. The above records don't show that game (that Clarkson won), while it unfortunately probably counts as an official game. [/Q]
Ick, really? I'd have hoped they were considered like shootouts, and extraneous bit of crap needed for advancement.
BTW, what's the official status of the overtime that used to be played after a tied two-game total goals series? If you lost game one 3-1, you might end up winning game two 5-2 in overtime. (Or winning it 4-3 in overtime, with the losing team scoring the game-ending and series-winning goal in OT.) All in all, another good reason why we don't use the damn things any more.
The minigame is the culprit. I had deliberately excluded it thinking it was not an NCAA official game (knowing full well that Cornell's media guide had always listed as such, and hubristically assuming they were wrong.)
Record is now corrected on TBRW's database, though the fix won't show on the actual pages until after the season. Thankfully I didn't use date as a primary key.
Cornell would tie the all-time series by sweeping the Knights this weekend.