Yale's new coach sounds confident (https://www.ctinsider.com/college/article/yale-mens-hockey-coach-jeff-hamilton-22261212.php?utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY3RpbnNpZGVyLmNvbS9jb2xsZWdlL2FydGljbGUveWFsZS1tZW5zLWhvY2tleS1jb2FjaC1qZWZmLWhhbWlsdG9uLTIyMjYxMjEyLnBocA%3D%3D&time=MTc3OTI4NzM5Njc2NA%3D%3D&rid=MjA1NWE0OTItYWI4Yy00YzZlLTliY2QtMGMxYmVmY2VlNGI1&sharecount=MA%3D%3D)of ending team's streak of losing seasons.
"This team is going to be good," Hamilton said. "I believe that, and they believe that. It is going to be hard work, and it is going to be a lot of work. It is going to be holding players accountable when it is uncomfortable, but the talent is there. Our staff certainly believes that.
"I don't think it is going to be long. It is going to be a lot of hard work, but Yale hockey will be back on the map soon."
Quote from: dbilmes on May 20, 2026, 10:31:18 AMYale's new coach sounds confident (https://www.ctinsider.com/college/article/yale-mens-hockey-coach-jeff-hamilton-22261212.php?utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY3RpbnNpZGVyLmNvbS9jb2xsZWdlL2FydGljbGUveWFsZS1tZW5zLWhvY2tleS1jb2FjaC1qZWZmLWhhbWlsdG9uLTIyMjYxMjEyLnBocA%3D%3D&time=MTc3OTI4NzM5Njc2NA%3D%3D&rid=MjA1NWE0OTItYWI4Yy00YzZlLTliY2QtMGMxYmVmY2VlNGI1&sharecount=MA%3D%3D)of ending team's streak of losing seasons.
"This team is going to be good," Hamilton said. "I believe that, and they believe that. It is going to be hard work, and it is going to be a lot of work. It is going to be holding players accountable when it is uncomfortable, but the talent is there. Our staff certainly believes that.
"I don't think it is going to be long. It is going to be a lot of hard work, but Yale hockey will be back on the map soon."
I appreciate that these threads now have a tradition of starting with Yale coaching news.
Quote from: Chris '03 on May 20, 2026, 10:37:41 AMQuote from: dbilmes on May 20, 2026, 10:31:18 AMYale's new coach sounds confident (https://www.ctinsider.com/college/article/yale-mens-hockey-coach-jeff-hamilton-22261212.php?utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY3RpbnNpZGVyLmNvbS9jb2xsZWdlL2FydGljbGUveWFsZS1tZW5zLWhvY2tleS1jb2FjaC1qZWZmLWhhbWlsdG9uLTIyMjYxMjEyLnBocA%3D%3D&time=MTc3OTI4NzM5Njc2NA%3D%3D&rid=MjA1NWE0OTItYWI4Yy00YzZlLTliY2QtMGMxYmVmY2VlNGI1&sharecount=MA%3D%3D)of ending team's streak of losing seasons.
"This team is going to be good," Hamilton said. "I believe that, and they believe that. It is going to be hard work, and it is going to be a lot of work. It is going to be holding players accountable when it is uncomfortable, but the talent is there. Our staff certainly believes that.
"I don't think it is going to be long. It is going to be a lot of hard work, but Yale hockey will be back on the map soon."
I appreciate that these threads now have a tradition of starting with Yale coaching news.
I appreciate the fact that all the ECAC teams will be finishing with a bye in the first weekend of playoffs. It will save the league money when all the teams finish in the top 4. 8)
Wasn't there a 26-27 schedule thread?
Sacred Heart in Ithaca 10/30 & 10/31. https://sacredheartpioneers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/schedule
Quote from: ursusminor on May 20, 2026, 02:12:29 PMWasn't there a 26-27 schedule thread?
Sacred Heart in Ithaca 10/30 & 10/31. https://sacredheartpioneers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/schedule
Not shaping up as strong OOC
As per Bucci, (https://x.com/Buccigross/status/2057556815676862717?s=20) trapezoid rule will start next year in Div 1 hockey.
Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 07:15:37 AMAs per Bucci, (https://x.com/Buccigross/status/2057556815676862717?s=20) trapezoid rule will start next year in Div 1 hockey.
Apparently they are also removing the mandated shootout for the women. The ECAC used shootouts only for tiebreaking purposes anyway, so I wonder if it'll go away right away.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/5/21/media-center-cut-resistant-equipment-proposed-in-mens-and-womens-ice-hockey.aspx
Quote from: Weder on May 22, 2026, 09:02:13 AMQuote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 07:15:37 AMAs per Bucci, (https://x.com/Buccigross/status/2057556815676862717?s=20) trapezoid rule will start next year in Div 1 hockey.
Apparently they are also removing the mandated shootout for the women. The ECAC used shootouts only for tiebreaking purposes anyway, so I wonder if it'll go away right away.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/5/21/media-center-cut-resistant-equipment-proposed-in-mens-and-womens-ice-hockey.aspx
I'm struggling to figure out which of these are just "here's an idea" and which are "we're actually doing this". The cut-resistant equipment is a good thing though.
Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 07:15:37 AMAs per Bucci, (https://x.com/Buccigross/status/2057556815676862717?s=20) trapezoid rule will start next year in Div 1 hockey.
I was pulling for a Buckminsterfullerene rule instead, but this'll do.
Wisconsin added another goalie, Xander Miceli. Anton Castro apparently out.
Quote from: The Rancor on May 22, 2026, 02:50:27 PMWisconsin added another goalie, Xander Miceli. Anton Castro apparently out.
The hell are they gonna do with all these goalies?
Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 06:45:05 PMQuote from: The Rancor on May 22, 2026, 02:50:27 PMWisconsin added another goalie, Xander Miceli. Anton Castro apparently out.
The hell are they gonna do with all these goalies?
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"I've finally got my band!!"
Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 06:45:05 PMQuote from: The Rancor on May 22, 2026, 02:50:27 PMWisconsin added another goalie, Xander Miceli. Anton Castro apparently out.
The hell are they gonna do with all these goalies?
With Castro out, they have 3, 4 is a major logjam, especially with the roster limits. No one seems to know where he's heading- portal is closed and he's 23, so no Junior Hockey for him. Washed, I guess.
As per the Brown Hockey Blog, (https://x.com/i/status/2057928037585256732) they're bringing in 2F, 2D, and 1G from the portal. They also mention playing BU.
Quote from: stereax on May 24, 2026, 06:55:11 AMAs per the Brown Hockey Blog, (https://x.com/i/status/2057928037585256732) they're bringing in 2F, 2D, and 1G from the portal. They also mention playing BU.
...and a giant video board. Bummer.
Quote from: The Rancor on May 24, 2026, 11:44:12 AMQuote from: stereax on May 24, 2026, 06:55:11 AMAs per the Brown Hockey Blog, (https://x.com/i/status/2057928037585256732) they're bringing in 2F, 2D, and 1G from the portal. They also mention playing BU.
...and a giant video board. Bummer.
Unrelated promotional content (https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Milwaukee-M18-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-FORCE-LOGIC-3-in-Underground-Cable-Cutter-Tool-Only-2776-20/337590294).
Harvard recruit, Ryder Cali, flips to Providence. (https://x.com/i/status/2060380561990959506)
Quote from: stereax on May 29, 2026, 12:38:34 PMHarvard recruit, Ryder Cali, flips to Providence. (https://x.com/i/status/2060380561990959506)
Couldn't deal with the 20% quota on A's.
Houston Field House renovations video.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DZLYOk-JWxY/
On the topic of Q sucking, the Ruck twins choose NoDak (https://x.com/i/status/2069240093018075420) over several other schools: MSU, WMU, UMaine, Q.
Hmm. (https://x.com/i/status/2071028835177627810)
#Isles acquire D Ryan Healey from #mnwild for future considerations. 2022 4th rd pick at Harvard, NCAA signing rights expire Aug 15.
Quote from: stereax on June 27, 2026, 08:35:58 PMHmm. (https://x.com/i/status/2071028835177627810)
#Isles acquire D Ryan Healey from #mnwild for future considerations. 2022 4th rd pick at Harvard, NCAA signing rights expire Aug 15.
This is Ryan Healey of Healey sucks (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=283357) fame. For the curious.
Twin brothers Liam and Markus Ruck, heading to NoDak this year, were drafted together by the Pens. I miss our twin sets. Looks like Yale has a set on the way, too.
Penn State commit, Alexander Karmanov, who is currently listed at 7'1" tall and 280 lbs. was taken in the 6th round by San Jose. According to this profile from the NYT, his custom stick is 2 inches taller than Jake Kraft:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6560201/2025/08/21/biggest-tallest-hockey-player-zdeno-chara-alexander-karmanov/?unlocked_article_code=1.t1A.uulO.ynSq7v1vZ3Cq&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta
Can't wait to hear how he's "still growing into his frame."
Quote from: sah67 on June 29, 2026, 09:26:09 AMPenn State commit, Alexander Karmanov, who is currently listed at 7'1" tall and 280 lbs. was taken in the 6th round by San Jose. According to this profile from the NYT, his custom stick is 2 inches taller than Jake Kraft:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6560201/2025/08/21/biggest-tallest-hockey-player-zdeno-chara-alexander-karmanov/?unlocked_article_code=1.t1A.uulO.ynSq7v1vZ3Cq&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta
Can't wait to hear how he's "still growing into his frame."
And now, Jonah
Didn't fool with no itty-bitty fish
He picked him out a whale
And Daniel
Bless his heart, he chose the den
'Stead of the cozy jail
Don't ever conclude you're whipped for sure
Try some more
Tie the score
So what if the odds are lookin' long?
The fight is yours if you sing this song
The bigger they are (the bigger)
The harder they fall (harder)
The tougher they talk (tougher)
The quicker they crawl
Quote from: sah67 on June 29, 2026, 09:26:09 AMPenn State commit, Alexander Karmanov, who is currently listed at 7'1" tall and 280 lbs. was taken in the 6th round by San Jose. According to this profile from the NYT, his custom stick is 2 inches taller than Jake Kraft:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6560201/2025/08/21/biggest-tallest-hockey-player-zdeno-chara-alexander-karmanov/?unlocked_article_code=1.t1A.uulO.ynSq7v1vZ3Cq&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta
Can't wait to hear how he's "still growing into his frame."
He was taken in the 7th - I know because I was watching the draft. (Which tells you what kind of nerd I am.)
But jeez. Now I kinda want to get a picture of Kraft and that behemoth stick.
In news that is making me crash out, the Devils decided to hire Donato as an assistant coach.
Quote from: ursusminor on June 05, 2026, 12:31:31 PMHouston Field House renovations video.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DZLYOk-JWxY/
part 2
https://www.instagram.com/p/Da0TKc4uaZf/
Quote from: stereax on July 15, 2026, 11:08:26 AMIn news that is making me crash out, the Devils decided to hire Donato as an assistant coach.
Ha ha!
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on July 15, 2026, 03:05:51 PMQuote from: stereax on July 15, 2026, 11:08:26 AMIn news that is making me crash out, the Devils decided to hire Donato as an assistant coach.
Ha ha!
can't have SHIT in newark
Wouldn't that be like carrying coal to Newcastle?
Quote from: Trotsky on July 16, 2026, 01:16:51 AMWouldn't that be like carrying coal to Newcastle?
the reference has gone squarely over my head
Quote from: stereax on July 16, 2026, 03:48:06 PMQuote from: Trotsky on July 16, 2026, 01:16:51 AMWouldn't that be like carrying coal to Newcastle?
the reference has gone squarely over my head
Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coals_to_Newcastle)
Weirdly good news for Cornell hockey on the 5-year front?
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/07/17_New-Government-Rule-Jeopardizes.php
Not good news for Cornell non-sports.
Quote from: adamw on July 17, 2026, 11:56:57 AMWeirdly good news for Cornell hockey on the 5-year front?
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/07/17_New-Government-Rule-Jeopardizes.php
Not good news for Cornell non-sports.
If nobody sues and it doesn't get hit with an instant injunction.
Though this only applies to non-US players.
Quote from: adamw on July 17, 2026, 11:56:57 AMWeirdly good news for Cornell hockey on the 5-year front?
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/07/17_New-Government-Rule-Jeopardizes.php
Not good news for Cornell non-sports.
Architecture is a five-year program with many international students. I suppose they can file for an extension upon admission. Still a bullshit rule.
Colleges are struggling to fill their classrooms, searching the ends of the earth to find students. Indefinitely extending students' college years is another approach. The impact on college sports is collateral damage in the attempt to curtail this practice.
They could try lowering tuitions and cutting the portion of their budget spent on non-academic costs.
But I'm thinking Day Hall won't vote itself out of existence.
Wrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."
Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.
Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."
Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.
The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.
Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PMQuote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."
Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.
The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.
Honestly, it's a tired age-old discussion that always has the same answer. Does Manchester City win because it has the most money or the best system/coaching? Yes. Do the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers win because of the money or the system? Yes. St. John's made the Sweet 16 again for the first time in 27 years after a billionaire pumped $5 million into the program to pay players.
When people say "money is not the reason you need a good system" - it's a false dichotomy. Everyone knows you need both. Holy Cross isn't winning a national championship any time soon, no matter what they do. The greatest coach with the greatest system on god's green earth isn't competing nationally without money. When the money gap used to be smaller, it was more possible, though having "resources" were still important. Now that the money gap is a giant chasm, it's even more difficult to bridge the gap by being smarter.
Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash. Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.
Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PMQuote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."
Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.
The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.
Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash. Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.
Or, just say: if that's what it's going to take to be competitive, it's no longer the college sports that you've enjoyed following for years, and it no longer matters to you how your team does in that kind of environment, and you find a new interest.
Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PMQuote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."
Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.
The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.
Honestly, it's a tired age-old discussion that always has the same answer. Does Manchester City win because it has the most money or the best system/coaching? Yes. Do the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers win because of the money or the system? Yes. St. John's made the Sweet 16 again for the first time in 27 years after a billionaire pumped $5 million into the program to pay players.
When people say "money is not the reason you need a good system" - it's a false dichotomy. Everyone knows you need both. Holy Cross isn't winning a national championship any time soon, no matter what they do. The greatest coach with the greatest system on god's green earth isn't competing nationally without money. When the money gap used to be smaller, it was more possible, though having "resources" were still important. Now that the money gap is a giant chasm, it's even more difficult to bridge the gap by being smarter.
Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash. Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.
Yes you are totally correct that you need both. However, that doesn't mean that we can't analyze the system portion of it in isolation to see what the best small school programs have done there to keep up with big teams. Like I said, once I finish up part 2, it will say the same thing as you about resources. I just think people are a little tired of the money talk right now though, so I wanted to isolate the recruiting and systems part of it first for that reason.
There will always be tiers delimited by financial support / "institutional commitment" (read: admissions is pressured to let the rockheads in and faculty is pressured to keep them eligible) / FIFA-level fraud (cough B1G).
The magic of college hockey has been through decades of iterations of different systems the distance between the tiers has not gotten entirely out of wack. There is still overlap. And that means distribution within tier is vital.
Keep up the good work, sezenack!
Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PMQuote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."
Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.
The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.
Honestly, it's a tired age-old discussion that always has the same answer. Does Manchester City win because it has the most money or the best system/coaching? Yes. Do the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers win because of the money or the system? Yes. St. John's made the Sweet 16 again for the first time in 27 years after a billionaire pumped $5 million into the program to pay players.
When people say "money is not the reason you need a good system" - it's a false dichotomy. Everyone knows you need both. Holy Cross isn't winning a national championship any time soon, no matter what they do. The greatest coach with the greatest system on god's green earth isn't competing nationally without money. When the money gap used to be smaller, it was more possible, though having "resources" were still important. Now that the money gap is a giant chasm, it's even more difficult to bridge the gap by being smarter.
Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash. Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.
The Mets are out there, fighting the good fight against a salary cap by proving that it's not just money.
Stand with the MLBPA. Support the Mets.
Focusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.
This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.
The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.
What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.
That was beautiful, man. :'(
Quote from: ugarte on July 21, 2026, 12:43:24 PMFocusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.
This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.
The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.
What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.
Amen.
Do I expect us to win a natty? Not in this economy.
But if you have enough stabs at it, statistically, one's going to go through. Just need a little bit of luck. Make the tournament and win the next four.
Quote from: Dafatone on July 21, 2026, 11:27:22 AMThe Mets are out there, fighting the good fight against a salary cap by proving that it's not just money.
Stand with the MLBPA. Support the Mets.
Words can hurt too you monster!
Quote from: stereax on July 21, 2026, 02:07:57 PMMake the tournament and win the next four.
Go 0-30. Win the next 9.
one last addendum: i was recently asked on a podcast (https://redcircle.com/shows/bcce8d2a-e281-4c4b-84de-75a38acd819a/episodes/5116de7a-2247-46ef-ae97-805faa7f3f64) (in the context of the Saints' heartbreaking playoff losses) whether those losses were worse than going 5-12. For me, the answer is obvious. Losing on the Stefon Diggs play against the Vikings or the uncalled DPI in the Rams game or the Beastquake or whatever various choking final defensive collapses over the years is like getting kicked in the balls once after 6 months of fun. A 5-12 season is like eating a bag of Taylor Farms lettuce.
The Cornell hockey program is a good one to be "stuck" rooting for whether or not we ever actually win another natty. I get a game every year in my backyard, ECAC titles come often enough to get me to the next one and we almost never have a losing record (in conference or overall).
I'm also not a famous comic but enough people find me funny and seek out my work that I can live with what I've got.
Quote from: Trotsky on July 21, 2026, 02:21:56 PMQuote from: stereax on July 21, 2026, 02:07:57 PMMake the tournament and win the next four.
Go 0-30. Win the next 9.
Why play in October through February when play in March and April do trick?
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on July 21, 2026, 06:27:30 AMQuote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PMQuote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."
Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.
The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.
Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash. Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.
Or, just say: if that's what it's going to take to be competitive, it's no longer the college sports that you've enjoyed following for years, and it no longer matters to you how your team does in that kind of environment, and you find a new interest.
That is definitely a reasonable option.
Quote from: sezenack on July 21, 2026, 09:48:42 AMYes you are totally correct that you need both. However, that doesn't mean that we can't analyze the system portion of it in isolation to see what the best small school programs have done there to keep up with big teams. Like I said, once I finish up part 2, it will say the same thing as you about resources. I just think people are a little tired of the money talk right now though, so I wanted to isolate the recruiting and systems part of it first for that reason.
I hear you and agree - but the reason I reacted like I did is because it's way easier to find a coach to do all the things you presented. Most coaches know this, and know what they're doing. They're all trying to do exactly that. The No. 1 answer for how to compete is money. The rest is already being done by every coach.
Quote from: Trotsky on July 21, 2026, 02:21:56 PMQuote from: stereax on July 21, 2026, 02:07:57 PMMake the tournament and win the next four.
Go 0-30. Win the next 9.
i have to admit, this would be a hilariously thrilling conclusion but what a miserable year. on elynah, especially.
Quote from: ugarte on July 21, 2026, 12:43:24 PMFocusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.
This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.
The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.
What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.
Case in point: https://youtu.be/EW3kgtLlpd4?is=g4vYuoPHD51GKrWX
Quote from: Chris H82 on July 21, 2026, 09:01:10 PMQuote from: ugarte on July 21, 2026, 12:43:24 PMFocusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.
This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.
The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.
What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.
Case in point: https://youtu.be/EW3kgtLlpd4?is=g4vYuoPHD51GKrWX
I can quote that announcer in my sleep.
Quote from: Chris H82 on July 21, 2026, 09:01:10 PMQuote from: ugarte on July 21, 2026, 12:43:24 PMFocusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.
This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.
The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.
What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.
Case in point: https://youtu.be/EW3kgtLlpd4?is=g4vYuoPHD51GKrWX
Thanks for that. In this brutal summer where I'm trapped indoors, just hearing Davy lifted my spirits.
Quote from: Trotsky on July 21, 2026, 02:20:34 PMQuote from: Dafatone on July 21, 2026, 11:27:22 AMThe Mets are out there, fighting the good fight against a salary cap by proving that it's not just money.
Stand with the MLBPA. Support the Mets.
Words can hurt too you monster!
I'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't kill me because I'm already dead.
Quote from: Dafatone on July 21, 2026, 11:43:43 PMQuote from: Trotsky on July 21, 2026, 02:20:34 PMQuote from: Dafatone on July 21, 2026, 11:27:22 AMThe Mets are out there, fighting the good fight against a salary cap by proving that it's not just money.
Stand with the MLBPA. Support the Mets.
Words can hurt too you monster!
I'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't kill me because I'm already dead.
Cornell is our reward for what happens in the summer and fall.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on July 21, 2026, 06:27:30 AMQuote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PMQuote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PMQuote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as
I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."
Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.
The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.
Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash. Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.
Or, just say: if that's what it's going to take to be competitive, it's no longer the college sports that you've enjoyed following for years, and it no longer matters to you how your team does in that kind of environment, and you find a new interest.
Money has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.
Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.
I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.
Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.
But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.
Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players? And freaking out trying to do so?
Unrelated. For a variety of reasons, mostly Mainers visiting for Thanksgiving, I didn't want to get the Cornell section tickets for the Frozen Apple. The general presale begins tomorrow. Any idea of a presale code? can't find one.
I just got this in my email this morning.
The Frozen Apple: Cornell vs. Maine
Saturday, November 28
Madison Square Garden
Venue Presale: Wed, Jul 29 at Noon – Thu, Jul 30 at 11am
Use Code: PREMSG
Yes, as did I and thanks for getting back to me.
Quote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.
I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.
Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.
But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.
Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players? And freaking out trying to do so?
1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.
The reality of running a college hockey program:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HOaEvjgX0AA4b5W?format=jpg&name=large
Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PMQuote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.
I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.
Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.
But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.
Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players? And freaking out trying to do so?
1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.
you're hopeless
lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k
Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PM1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.
you're hopeless - and wrong - but ... shrug
lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k
Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PM1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.
you're hopeless - and wrong - but ... shrug
lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k
I know it's a waste of time trying to get you believe it - so again, just for everyone else's sake - no, it's not shifting money around, yes every school is raising funds to pay players, yes in Denver's case that number is well north of $500k. And yes raising new money is all they're all worrying about every day.
Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to re-HASH old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.
IOW it's all about the
POT!
Quote from: adamw on July 29, 2026, 07:39:23 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PMQuote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.
I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.
Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.
But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.
Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players? And freaking out trying to do so?
1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.
you're hopeless
lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k
I never said they're making 10k and I find it interesting you didn't engage with anything I actually wrote
Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 08:54:55 PMQuote from: adamw on July 29, 2026, 07:39:23 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PMQuote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.
I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.
Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.
But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.
Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players? And freaking out trying to do so?
1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.
you're hopeless
lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k
I never said they're making 10k and I find it interesting you didn't engage with anything I actually wrote
You find it interesting because you are a stubborn child, and so it's useless. I've told it all to you many times before, yet you still insist on things that aren't true. So - what more do you want. If you want engagement, read my old replies.
Quote from: adamw on July 30, 2026, 12:19:46 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 08:54:55 PMQuote from: adamw on July 29, 2026, 07:39:23 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PMQuote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PMQuote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.
I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.
Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.
But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.
Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players? And freaking out trying to do so?
1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.
you're hopeless
lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k
I never said they're making 10k and I find it interesting you didn't engage with anything I actually wrote
You find it interesting because you are a stubborn child, and so it's useless. I've told it all to you many times before, yet you still insist on things that aren't true. So - what more do you want. If you want engagement, read my old replies.
OK--just repeating what David Carle said on a podcast. If you think he's a liar, you should be clear that's your stance. The fact Denver got some blue chip recruits is not itself evidence that they're paying them a bunch of money. Obviously, a kid who's bound to make millions in the NHL could have plenty of reasons besides 50 grand to choose the most successful program in the country. Also, these blue-chippers getting some money is not at odds with what Carle said, which was about last year's team, not next year's team. Anyway, back to the original point: if the 260K worth of Alston money + COA that was already being paid prior to the House settlement is now instead characterized as revenue sharing, that doesn't change anything in practice. If I'm an RPI fan, I wouldn't worry too much about it, honestly.
Harvard gets lots of positive press in this article (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7437150/2026/07/29/ncaa-hockey-nil-harvard-coach/?unlocked_article_code=1.2lA.kjnM.0BlqW5y2SRLo&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta) in The Athletic.
My favorite part of it, though, was this reader comment:
"On May 7, longtime Crimson coach Ted Donato announced that he would step away at the conclusion of the academic calendar, leaving behind a winning NCAA legacy and a wide NHL footprint."
What does this mean — leaving behind a wide NHL footprint?
By the way, coach has won 53 percent of his games and no NCAA titles. Is "legendary" the word we want in the headline? Or is that just default now for sportswriters? Whatever for clicks?
The inspired write poetry.
The diligent write novels.
The lazy write screenplays.
The bottomfeeders write political or sports pieces.
The reward structure is inverse to the amount of talent.
cf. acting
Quote from: dbilmes on August 03, 2026, 04:53:18 PMHarvard gets lots of positive press in this article (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7437150/2026/07/29/ncaa-hockey-nil-harvard-coach/?unlocked_article_code=1.2lA.kjnM.0BlqW5y2SRLo&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta) in The Athletic.
My favorite part of it, though, was this reader comment:
"On May 7, longtime Crimson coach Ted Donato announced that he would step away at the conclusion of the academic calendar, leaving behind a winning NCAA legacy and a wide NHL footprint."
What does this mean — leaving behind a wide NHL footprint?
By the way, coach has won 53 percent of his games and no NCAA titles. Is "legendary" the word we want in the headline? Or is that just default now for sportswriters? Whatever for clicks?
I think "wide NHL footprint" refers to the Harvard players who've had successful NHL careers, who Donato did have a hand in developing.
And, uh... how many NCAA titles does Schafer have? I don't think anyone can meaningfully argue he isn't a legendary NCAA coach, though. Part of it is a .633 win percentage (part of that being half the ECAC is really bad), but part of it is sheer longevity and style of play.
IINM over Schafer's tenure Cornell had more NC$$ bids and won more NC$$ tourny games than all but 4 or 5 other schools.
For a thirty year chunk, that is impressive.
Schafer was clearly a much better coach than Donato.
Mark Divver:
Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)
Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets
Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)
In the last 50 years, the two coaches who did the most for Cornell hockey morale were Mike Schafer and Ted Donato.
Quote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:
Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)
Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets
Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)
As I've said before, there are a lot of CHL kids that just aren't college kids. It's totally ok. That's why the balance of NCAA and CHL has worked for so long- and I understand some kids have to major in fly fishing, but I think in time there will be many more academically ineligible or incapable hockey players.
Quote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:
Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)
Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets
Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)
My wife was going to fail Joey Harrington when he was taking her class at UOregon. That's when she got a visit. Her doctoral candidacy was mentioned.
He got a D.
Kudos to PC. There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.
Quote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AMQuote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:
Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)
Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets
Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)
My wife was going to fail Joey Harrington when he was taking her class at UOregon. That's when she got a visit. Her doctoral candidacy was mentioned.
He got a D.
Kudos to PC. There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.
The question for me is whether PC would've done the same thing prior to the existence of the transfer portal.
I have no philosophical objection to a student-athlete getting a disproportionate amount of tutoring or other help in order to be able to pass a class they otherwise might not, and I
think that's where Cornell's stance lies as well, but it sure does help that they
try not to admit kids who aren't capable of the work in the first place.
Quote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AMQuote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:
Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)
Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets
Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)
My wife was going to fail Joey Harrington when he was taking her class at UOregon. That's when she got a visit. Her doctoral candidacy was mentioned.
He got a D.
Kudos to PC. There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.
The partner of a friend who played junior hockey (the partner not the friend) claimed that he was recruited by Harvard but couldn't clear the academics bar.
The funny thing is that he and I would get into political arguments, but "shut up you couldn't play at Harvard for academic reasons" would seem mean-spirited even if he probably wouldn't understand the insult anyway.
Oddly, despite that, I don't think he was lying about his hockey cred. He did know a handful of ECAC guys.
Have a friend who is on faculty at Dartmouth. Won't share what they teach because that would give it away. Suffice to say it's not an area with which you would associate jocks. Said pleasantly surprised by how engaged the hockey players in the class were. Also said they were very nice /respectful. At which point, I said I don't want to hear anymore, as I want to dislike them
Quote from: arugula on August 05, 2026, 02:53:47 PMHave a friend who is on faculty at Dartmouth. Won't share what they teach because that would give it away. Suffice to say it's not an area with which you would associate jocks. Said pleasantly surprised by how engaged the hockey players in the class were. Also said they were very nice /respectful. At which point, I said I don't want to hear anymore, as I want to dislike them
I think there's also a bit of difference between the kind of hockey player that gets recruited to an Ivy and one that fails out of Providence summer school... haha.
I mean, have y'all seen the Dean Letourneau one? (https://ibb.co/Rk6D7cmH)
Quote from: Beeeej on August 05, 2026, 09:19:32 AMQuote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AMQuote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:
Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)
Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets
Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)
My wife was going to fail Joey Harrington when he was taking her class at UOregon. That's when she got a visit. Her doctoral candidacy was mentioned.
He got a D.
Kudos to PC. There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.
The question for me is whether PC would've done the same thing prior to the existence of the transfer portal.
I have no philosophical objection to a student-athlete getting a disproportionate amount of tutoring or other help in order to be able to pass a class they otherwise might not, and I think that's where Cornell's stance lies as well, but it sure does help that they try not to admit kids who aren't capable of the work in the first place.
I mean, if the student-athlete is putting in effort, I think that's important. If they're not doing classwork, shirking exams, and the like, that's one thing. If the student is genuinely trying but it's just a difficult class for them, I don't mind giving them extra resources.
Quote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AM... Joey Harrington ... Kudos to PC. There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.
unlesss this kid was Tretiak i don't think PC had as much riding on him as Oregon had on Harrington
https://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182
Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.
Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:23:55 PMhttps://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182
Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.
My thoughts on this:
Cornell never really does this at a large scale, even with recruits who don't pan out. Some of these kids committed under the old coach, but why wait over two years to decommit them? Could ostensibly be due to the new "start before your 20th birthday, else you lose a year" rule, but even in that case, they'd still get 3 years of eligibility. And there isn't much downside to keeping them on the roster even if they aren't good, since Princeton isn't subject to roster caps.
Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:41:28 PMQuote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:23:55 PMhttps://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182
Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.
My thoughts on this:
Cornell never really does this at a large scale, even with recruits who don't pan out. Some of these kids committed under the old coach, but why wait over two years to decommit them? Could ostensibly be due to the new "start before your 20th birthday, else you lose a year" rule, but even in that case, they'd still get 3 years of eligibility. And there isn't much downside to keeping them on the roster even if they aren't good, since Princeton isn't subject to roster caps.
They also aren't subject to commitments like they may be at other schools. (I don't know the latest status on the validity of letters of intent but the Ivies have never used them. Plus the decommits may not have all originated from Syer. The landscape changed for recruits just as it did for the coaches and maybe things changed for the players.
Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:41:28 PMQuote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:23:55 PMhttps://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182
Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.
My thoughts on this:
Cornell never really does this at a large scale, even with recruits who don't pan out. Some of these kids committed under the old coach, but why wait over two years to decommit them? Could ostensibly be due to the new "start before your 20th birthday, else you lose a year" rule, but even in that case, they'd still get 3 years of eligibility. And there isn't much downside to keeping them on the roster even if they aren't good, since Princeton isn't subject to roster caps.
No roster caps, but an Ivy coach only gets so many slots with admissions, so it behooves them to make each of them count.
Quote from: ugarte on August 05, 2026, 05:12:35 PMQuote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AM... Joey Harrington ... Kudos to PC. There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.
unlesss this kid was Tretiak i don't think PC had as much riding on him as Oregon had on Harrington
Looks like Parsons will be their starter.
With the opening of the CHL, the baseline talent level in college hockey has vastly improved. See here how many draft picks are playing college hockey on the top teams next season:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HPCyZaWWgAAZ9BE?format=png&name=900x900
Cornell's talent is better than that of a Cornell team from 5-10 years ago. But have we improved as much as our opponents?
Quote from: BearLover on August 06, 2026, 10:29:07 AMWith the opening of the CHL, the baseline talent level in college hockey has vastly improved. See here how many draft picks are playing college hockey on the top teams next season:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HPCyZaWWgAAZ9BE?format=png&name=900x900
Cornell's talent is better than that of a Cornell team from 5-10 years ago. But have we improved as much as our opponents?
I think in the short run, the blueblood programs are going to have the biggest gains. They have the flexibility and monetary ability to commit the McKennas, the Martones, and the like as a snap decision. Over the next few years, I think it will start to even out - again, we will not see the topmost talent coming in (barring a kid who REALLY wants a good education for 2-3 years and is willing to come here in his draft year or DY+1), but our baseline will improve.
Higher density of better players vs shorter careers of better players. It may cancel.
The future may belong to schools who get their guys to stay 4 years, while the factories paradoxically must constantly start over again.
Well know in 20 years.
Former RPI 2006 recruit Shane Smith has decided to go to the AHL.
https://www.hendersonsilverknights.com/silver-knights-sign-forward-shane-smith/
This and other changes drop RPI from #10 to #18 on Neutral Zone's list of incoming classes. Still #1 in the ECAC, but barely over Clarkson.
Quote from: Dafatone on August 05, 2026, 10:06:11 AMThe partner of a friend who played junior hockey (the partner not the friend) claimed that he was recruited by Harvard but couldn't clear the academics bar.
Chris Drury was going to follow his brother, Ted, to Harvard, but couldn't get in. Make of that what you will.
Quote from: ugarte on August 05, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThey also aren't subject to commitments like they may be at other schools. (I don't know the latest status on the validity of letters of intent but the Ivies have never used them. Plus the decommits may not have all originated from Syer. The landscape changed for recruits just as it did for the coaches and maybe things changed for the players.
There is no such thing as Letters of Intent anymore.
Quote from: scoop85 on August 05, 2026, 06:14:35 PMQuote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:41:28 PMQuote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:23:55 PMhttps://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182
Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.
My thoughts on this:
Cornell never really does this at a large scale, even with recruits who don't pan out. Some of these kids committed under the old coach, but why wait over two years to decommit them? Could ostensibly be due to the new "start before your 20th birthday, else you lose a year" rule, but even in that case, they'd still get 3 years of eligibility. And there isn't much downside to keeping them on the roster even if they aren't good, since Princeton isn't subject to roster caps.
No roster caps, but an Ivy coach only gets so many slots with admissions, so it behooves them to make each of them count.
It's actually worse than that for Princeton. They're the only ECAC team that has to deal with a "slotting" system officially - meaning, that once a player enrolls at Princeton, if they de-commit or leave, Princeton cannot replace that player EVER in what would've been that 4-year window. This was never an issue in the past because all this movement never happened. It is now, which is how I finally came to learn about this.
Quote from: Trotsky on August 03, 2026, 05:10:25 PMThe inspired write poetry.
The diligent write novels.
The lazy write screenplays.
The bottomfeeders write political or sports pieces.
The reward structure is inverse to the amount of talent.
cf. acting
It's always heartwarming when I get evidence that a Cornell education is no better than my lowly Ithaca College education. Thanks Trotsky!
Today 8/13/2026 at Houston Field House
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Please excuse the portrait view - this is through a door on the east side of Houston - area of the old stage. I will try to get closer next time.
The Ivies had a good season in 2025-26 and I expect them to improve further in the next few years. They're one of the few subsets of schools that isn't in total disarray in the new college hockey environment.
The Ivies are recruiting well, they have young new coaches, and their schools aren't on the verge of going bankrupt like most of the schools playing D1 hockey. Maybe most importantly, almost no one transfers out thanks to the value of the degree.
Whether the other Ivies improving is good for Cornell specifically is hard to say. If Cornell is after the same pool of recruits, then it's probably bad for us.
The Venn diagrams are different enough that we are not all fighting over the same snotty little cunt at Shattuck St. Marys or Northwood.
Quote from: BearLover on August 14, 2026, 12:30:55 AMThe Ivies had a good season in 2025-26 and I expect them to improve further in the next few years. They're one of the few subsets of schools that isn't in total disarray in the new college hockey environment.
The Ivies are recruiting well, they have young new coaches, and their schools aren't on the verge of going bankrupt like most of the schools playing D1 hockey. Maybe most importantly, almost no one transfers out thanks to the value of the degree.
Whether the other Ivies improving is good for Cornell specifically is hard to say. If Cornell is after the same pool of recruits, then it's probably bad for us.
Sure helps the sos if Brown and Yale get a dead cat bounce out of the cellar. It's really only those two who have been consistently bad recently, and obviously Yale is historically generally pretty to very good. Plus the pizza.
Quote from: arugula on August 14, 2026, 11:55:49 AMQuote from: BearLover on August 14, 2026, 12:30:55 AMThe Ivies had a good season in 2025-26 and I expect them to improve further in the next few years. They're one of the few subsets of schools that isn't in total disarray in the new college hockey environment.
The Ivies are recruiting well, they have young new coaches, and their schools aren't on the verge of going bankrupt like most of the schools playing D1 hockey. Maybe most importantly, almost no one transfers out thanks to the value of the degree.
Whether the other Ivies improving is good for Cornell specifically is hard to say. If Cornell is after the same pool of recruits, then it's probably bad for us.
Sure helps the sos if Brown and Yale get a dead cat bounce out of the cellar. It's really only those two who have been consistently bad recently, and obviously Yale is historically generally pretty to very good. Plus the pizza.
While both teams have new coaches, I'd expect Yale to ramp up quicker than Brown based on a better recent history.
According to some idiots' voting (https://x.com/i/status/2088314628879028444), Cornell would have 3 of 12 all-USA freshmen (in two teams), more than any other ECAC school:
Arend 1st team, Tuminaro 1st team, Wehmann 2nd team.
This means nothing, really, except that we seem to be recruiting okay.
These appear to be new idiots. That's... good? I guess?
Quote from: marty on August 13, 2026, 05:41:25 PMToday 8/13/2026 at Houston Field House
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Please excuse the portrait view - this is through a door on the east side of Houston - area of the old stage. I will try to get closer next time.
Part 3 from RPI Men's Hockey Instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DcJwo2qPfX1/
RPI has lost incoming forward Josh Evaschesen who decided to stay in the WHL for his overage season after he was traded to his hometown team Medicine Hat. https://cfjctoday.com/2026/08/19/blazers-trade-departing-forward-evaschesen-to-hometown-tigers-for-trio-of-draft-picks/ >:(
https://x.com/JonKeenNLSports/status/2090141068427952362?s=20
Spoke to Josh Evaschesen this AM... he was set to jump on a flight to RPI today before the trade.
"It's been a pretty stressful 24 hours here but ultimately I felt I couldn't pass up the opportunity to play in my hometown for my last year of junior."
There are two more posts from the same source below it and several official posts.
Bummer for RPI.
But, this illustrates that many of these CHL guys aren't interested in college. If there's a fat bag for them or for whatever reason their 'advisors' tell them to go here, go there, but we are going to see a lot of de-commits as money gets funneled back north to Major Junior.
Factors like being able to pay his home town squad are hard to beat too, with their 7,000 seat arena and state of the art (and bigger) locker rooms etc. (edit RPI does offer athletic scholarships - I was thinking Union my bad, Ursus)
Quote from: The Rancor on August 20, 2026, 09:05:15 AMBummer for RPI.
But, this illustrates that many of these CHL guys aren't interested in college. If there's a fat bag for them or for whatever reason their 'advisors' tell them to go here, go there, but we are going to see a lot of de-commits as money gets funneled back north to Major Junior.
Factors like being able to pay his home town squad are hard to beat too, with their 7,000 seat arena and state of the art (and bigger) locker rooms etc. (edit RPI does offer athletic scholarships - I was thinking Union my bad, Ursus)
How the hell could anyone consider RPI if they are not interested in college (or Institute)? They were known for giving D's and F's last i read.
Are the days of "Tute, love it or leave it." just a memory?
Most players, especially those in the CHL, don't care about school. They care about playing pro hockey. Every school, including RPI, markets itself to recruits as an important developmental step towards pro hockey. Even within the Ivies most hockey players aren't serious students.
In this kid's case, I bet when RPI recruited him, they were his best developmental option. But then he blew up and suddenly a lot of teams wanted him. (He seems to have just started blowing up at the time he committed to RPI.) It was likely never about school. I mean, the fact he'd have to go to class might have contributed to him decommitting, but I doubt he cared about school in the first place.
Not too different from Cournoyer.
Quote from: marty on August 20, 2026, 12:14:47 PMQuote from: The Rancor on August 20, 2026, 09:05:15 AMBummer for RPI.
But, this illustrates that many of these CHL guys aren't interested in college. If there's a fat bag for them or for whatever reason their 'advisors' tell them to go here, go there, but we are going to see a lot of de-commits as money gets funneled back north to Major Junior.
Factors like being able to pay his home town squad are hard to beat too, with their 7,000 seat arena and state of the art (and bigger) locker rooms etc. (edit RPI does offer athletic scholarships - I was thinking Union my bad, Ursus)
How the hell could anyone consider RPI if they are not interested in college (or Institute)? They were known for giving D's and F's last i read.
Are the days of "Tute, love it or leave it." just a memory?
I don't think they are considering the fact that studying and grades are important there. The agents, or players, want to go to college because it's now the next step to the NHL. A school like RPI needs recruits, but, perhaps they didn't fully grasp what the true expectations were. There's a sign on the locker room wall at RPI that clearly states their team and individual goals and responsibilities- 3.2 GPA is one of them, and I'm sure they mean it.
Quote from: BearLover on August 20, 2026, 01:16:28 PMEven within the Ivies most hockey players aren't serious students.
I think it depends on the Ivy - like, most of our guys end up with 3.0+ GPA. I think Marty brought up that Dartmouth players also are very invested in academics - though historically Dartmouth has also been a terrible hockey school. You usually need to be at least somewhat academically inclined to succeed at an Ivy.
On the other hand, if you listen to the blue chip prospects at BC/BU/PSU who are taking theater design (Leonard/Smith/Perreault line), ceramics (Hagens), fly fishing (McKenna), or classes where you're apparently simulating preschool math education with peers your age (Cole Hutson brought this one up on a podcast recently, that they were basically "playing blocks"), it's different. Blue chip prospects see it as a step in their NHL dreams, not as much a degree. (Though I think Hutson also mentioned doing summer classes to be able to finish his degree, so, you go Glen Coco.)
CHL guys - especially those that came up in the CHL before the transfer stuff opened, ESPECIALLY the better players - are often going to think of college ONLY as a step in furthering their hockey careers. USHL guys - especially those that aren't star players, especially those going to schools like the Ivies that have good reputation scholastically - may very well consider the hockey as more a way to get a scholarship than a true future career path.
Cournoyer was a bit of an outlier in terms of the kinds of guys we usually get - very late commit and one that very specifically filled a dire need on the roster (starting goalie). I suspect Casey and company will learn a valuable lesson with that one. (And I hope Rousseau kicks ass.)
It's not hard to end up with a 3.0 GPA if you take mostly classes where the average grade is an A or A-.
Quote from: stereax on August 20, 2026, 01:56:47 PMQuote from: BearLover on August 20, 2026, 01:16:28 PMEven within the Ivies most hockey players aren't serious students.
I think it depends on the Ivy - like, most of our guys end up with 3.0+ GPA. I think Marty brought up that Dartmouth players also are very invested in academics - though historically Dartmouth has also been a terrible hockey school. You usually need to be at least somewhat academically inclined to succeed at an Ivy.
On the other hand, if you listen to the blue chip prospects at BC/BU/PSU who are taking theater design (Leonard/Smith/Perreault line), ceramics (Hagens), fly fishing (McKenna), or classes where you're apparently simulating preschool math education with peers your age (Cole Hutson brought this one up on a podcast recently, that they were basically "playing blocks"), it's different. Blue chip prospects see it as a step in their NHL dreams, not as much a degree. (Though I think Hutson also mentioned doing summer classes to be able to finish his degree, so, you go Glen Coco.)
CHL guys - especially those that came up in the CHL before the transfer stuff opened, ESPECIALLY the better players - are often going to think of college ONLY as a step in furthering their hockey careers. USHL guys - especially those that aren't star players, especially those going to schools like the Ivies that have good reputation scholastically - may very well consider the hockey as more a way to get a scholarship than a true future career path.
Cournoyer was a bit of an outlier in terms of the kinds of guys we usually get - very late commit and one that very specifically filled a dire need on the roster (starting goalie). I suspect Casey and company will learn a valuable lesson with that one. (And I hope Rousseau kicks ass.)
Re: USHL players- yeah until very recently they have all had to keep themselves academically eligible, or at least take academics seriously to the point of being accepted, whereas CHL players grades didn't matter at all (at least for a US college, no idea what Canadian standards are) now that has flipped a little, and some USHL or BCHL players can freely join their CHL draft teams (see the USNDP) ad then go to school, if motivated to do so.
Quote from: The Rancor on August 20, 2026, 02:33:57 PMQuote from: stereax on August 20, 2026, 01:56:47 PMQuote from: BearLover on August 20, 2026, 01:16:28 PMEven within the Ivies most hockey players aren't serious students.
I think it depends on the Ivy - like, most of our guys end up with 3.0+ GPA. I think Marty brought up that Dartmouth players also are very invested in academics - though historically Dartmouth has also been a terrible hockey school. You usually need to be at least somewhat academically inclined to succeed at an Ivy.
On the other hand, if you listen to the blue chip prospects at BC/BU/PSU who are taking theater design (Leonard/Smith/Perreault line), ceramics (Hagens), fly fishing (McKenna), or classes where you're apparently simulating preschool math education with peers your age (Cole Hutson brought this one up on a podcast recently, that they were basically "playing blocks"), it's different. Blue chip prospects see it as a step in their NHL dreams, not as much a degree. (Though I think Hutson also mentioned doing summer classes to be able to finish his degree, so, you go Glen Coco.)
CHL guys - especially those that came up in the CHL before the transfer stuff opened, ESPECIALLY the better players - are often going to think of college ONLY as a step in furthering their hockey careers. USHL guys - especially those that aren't star players, especially those going to schools like the Ivies that have good reputation scholastically - may very well consider the hockey as more a way to get a scholarship than a true future career path.
Cournoyer was a bit of an outlier in terms of the kinds of guys we usually get - very late commit and one that very specifically filled a dire need on the roster (starting goalie). I suspect Casey and company will learn a valuable lesson with that one. (And I hope Rousseau kicks ass.)
Re: USHL players- yeah until very recently they have all had to keep themselves academically eligible, or at least take academics seriously to the point of being accepted, whereas CHL players grades didn't matter at all (at least for a US college, no idea what Canadian standards are) now that has flipped a little, and some USHL or BCHL players can freely join their CHL draft teams (see the USNDP) ad then go to school, if motivated to do so.
Pretty sure USports is like four years of glorified beer league lol. And the standards are even lower - the AI overview (yuck) says all you gotta do is successfully pass 18 credits a year and be enrolled in 9 a semester.
Most schools are incentivized to keep grades high because of grad school admissions, job prospects, maintaining student-athlete eligibility, etc. Even then, there's not a small amount of students who can't hold a 3.0, even doing classes that should be ridiculously easy.
I'm not sure exactly when, but sometime in the last six-ish months Ryder Cali decommitted from Harvard, committed to Providence, and was taken in the second round of the NHL draft. Likely due to the coaching change at Harvard. I would expect Harvard to continue to recruit extremely well in the coming years.
Quote from: BearLover on August 22, 2026, 10:10:12 AMI'm not sure exactly when, but sometime in the last six-ish months Ryder Cali decommitted from Harvard, committed to Providence, and was taken in the second round of the NHL draft. Likely due to the coaching change at Harvard. I would expect Harvard to continue to recruit extremely well in the coming years.
I think he decommed shortly before the draft.
Arizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.
Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.
Outdoor exercise when the high temp is over 100ºF? I wonder what happened.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on August 23, 2026, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.
Outdoor exercise when the high temp is over 100ºF? I wonder what happened.
My Arizona friend literally said the same thing: "They were having them practice outside? It's fucking 110 in Phoenix! Literally that's how so many people get heat stroke in AZ and have to be hospitalized!"
Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 06:01:25 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on August 23, 2026, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.
Outdoor exercise when the high temp is over 100ºF? I wonder what happened.
My Arizona friend literally said the same thing: "They were having them practice outside? It's fucking 110 in Phoenix! Literally that's how so many people get heat stroke in AZ and have to be hospitalized!"
8:30 a.m. - it was 92 degrees at the time. Still bad.
RPI got a commitment from Leo Serlin of the Guelph Storm (OHL). This happened so fast that the 'Tute must have known for a while that Evaschesen wasn't coming.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DcecRWcKeX-/
@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)
What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.
And for the freshman players ... waterboarding?
Quote from: stereax on August 26, 2026, 02:28:00 PM@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)
What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.
This is how Tiger Woods apparently injured his knees and back (running in army boots) and the Pirates had spring training exercises run by a Navy SEAL that got Gregory Polanco injured (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/report-pirates-lie-about-prospects-injury-after-using-questionable-training-tactics/). Everything is gender.
Quote from: billhoward on August 26, 2026, 02:37:57 PMAnd for the freshman players ... waterboarding?
Hockey teams endure Slurpee chugging contests.
Quote from: ugarte on August 26, 2026, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: stereax on August 26, 2026, 02:28:00 PM@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)
What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.
This is how Tiger Woods apparently injured his knees and back (running in army boots) and the Pirates had spring training exercises run by a Navy SEAL that got Gregory Polanco injured (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/report-pirates-lie-about-prospects-injury-after-using-questionable-training-tactics/). Everything is gender.
For a while, Tiger's ex wife Ellen was dating Douglas Murray.
Quote from: The Rancor on August 26, 2026, 10:21:56 PMQuote from: ugarte on August 26, 2026, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: stereax on August 26, 2026, 02:28:00 PM@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)
What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.
This is how Tiger Woods apparently injured his knees and back (running in army boots) and the Pirates had spring training exercises run by a Navy SEAL that got Gregory Polanco injured (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/report-pirates-lie-about-prospects-injury-after-using-questionable-training-tactics/). Everything is gender.
For a while, Tiger's ex wife Ellen was dating Douglas Murray.
He was a Shark not a Seal.
Quote from: The Rancor on August 26, 2026, 10:21:56 PMQuote from: ugarte on August 26, 2026, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: stereax on August 26, 2026, 02:28:00 PM@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)
What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.
This is how Tiger Woods apparently injured his knees and back (running in army boots) and the Pirates had spring training exercises run by a Navy SEAL that got Gregory Polanco injured (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/report-pirates-lie-about-prospects-injury-after-using-questionable-training-tactics/). Everything is gender.
For a while, Tiger's ex wife Ellen was dating Douglas Murray.
She has a child with an NFL player.
I know we have some fencers here...
Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.
Matthew Mayich, a 21-year-old defenseman and St. Louis Blues prospect, is hospitalized after collapsing during an outdoor workout at Arizona State University's track facilities on August 20. He suffered a possible cardiac event and was treated for a heat-related illness. Mayich is currently in a coma, and his family has asked for privacy and prayers while he undergoes medical treatment.
The incident occurred during a workout session in extreme heat, with temperatures reaching 114 degrees in the area. Arizona State University is investigating the circumstances surrounding the workout, including whether it was sanctioned by the team. The university has offered support to Mayich and his family during this difficult time.
Mayich's hockey community, including the Ontario Hockey League and the St. Louis Blues, has rallied around him, offering thoughts, prayers, and support. A virtual prayer service was held for Mayich, and an Instagram account has been created to share updates and show support, with a yellow ribbon campaign symbolizing hope for his recovery.
Quote from: George64 on August 27, 2026, 10:05:58 PMQuote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.
Matthew Mayich, a 21-year-old defenseman and St. Louis Blues prospect, is hospitalized after collapsing during an outdoor workout at Arizona State University's track facilities on August 20. He suffered a possible cardiac event and was treated for a heat-related illness. Mayich is currently in a coma, and his family has asked for privacy and prayers while he undergoes medical treatment.
The incident occurred during a workout session in extreme heat, with temperatures reaching 114 degrees in the area. Arizona State University is investigating the circumstances surrounding the workout, including whether it was sanctioned by the team. The university has offered support to Mayich and his family during this difficult time.
Mayich's hockey community, including the Ontario Hockey League and the St. Louis Blues, has rallied around him, offering thoughts, prayers, and support. A virtual prayer service was held for Mayich, and an Instagram account has been created to share updates and show support, with a yellow ribbon campaign symbolizing hope for his recovery.
Yesterday the PBS News Hour ran a story about the Phoenix Protocol, described below with AI assist. This should be standard operating procedure at all outdoor summer training facilities in heat danger zoners.
All Phoenix emergency responders have ice machines on premise and carry bags of ice on responses.
The Phoenix Protocol
The Method: When a patient's core body temperature hits dangerous levels (around 104°F or higher), responders place them inside a specialized blue body bag and fill it with ice and water.
Why It Works: Water has a much higher thermal conductivity than air, meaning it cools the body down significantly faster than traditional methods like ice packs or air conditioning.
The Results: Medical professionals note that this technique can safely drop a patient's core temperature from 110°F down to 101°F or 100°F by the time they arrive at the emergency room, drastically lowering mortality rates. You can watch the full PBS NewsHour Video for more details.
So BU's goalie, Yegorov, decided to make an entire website dissecting his performances.
Here ya go. (https://yegorovstats.com/)
I love this guy, btw. Even if he's trying to reinvent the GSAx wheel 😅