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Quote from: dbilmes on May 20, 2026, 10:31:18 AMYale's new coach sounds confident  (https://www.ctinsider.com/college/article/yale-mens-hockey-coach-jeff-hamilton-22261212.php?utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY3RpbnNpZGVyLmNvbS9jb2xsZWdlL2FydGljbGUveWFsZS1tZW5zLWhvY2tleS1jb2FjaC1qZWZmLWhhbWlsdG9uLTIyMjYxMjEyLnBocA%3D%3D&time=MTc3OTI4NzM5Njc2NA%3D%3D&rid=MjA1NWE0OTItYWI4Yy00YzZlLTliY2QtMGMxYmVmY2VlNGI1&sharecount=MA%3D%3D)of ending team's streak of losing seasons.
"This team is going to be good," Hamilton said. "I believe that, and they believe that. It is going to be hard work, and it is going to be a lot of work. It is going to be holding players accountable when it is uncomfortable, but the talent is there. Our staff certainly believes that.
"I don't think it is going to be long. It is going to be a lot of hard work, but Yale hockey will be back on the map soon."

Quote from: Chris '03 on May 20, 2026, 10:37:41 AM

Quote from: dbilmes on May 20, 2026, 10:31:18 AMYale's new coach sounds confident  (https://www.ctinsider.com/college/article/yale-mens-hockey-coach-jeff-hamilton-22261212.php?utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY3RpbnNpZGVyLmNvbS9jb2xsZWdlL2FydGljbGUveWFsZS1tZW5zLWhvY2tleS1jb2FjaC1qZWZmLWhhbWlsdG9uLTIyMjYxMjEyLnBocA%3D%3D&time=MTc3OTI4NzM5Njc2NA%3D%3D&rid=MjA1NWE0OTItYWI4Yy00YzZlLTliY2QtMGMxYmVmY2VlNGI1&sharecount=MA%3D%3D)of ending team's streak of losing seasons.
"This team is going to be good," Hamilton said. "I believe that, and they believe that. It is going to be hard work, and it is going to be a lot of work. It is going to be holding players accountable when it is uncomfortable, but the talent is there. Our staff certainly believes that.
"I don't think it is going to be long. It is going to be a lot of hard work, but Yale hockey will be back on the map soon."

I appreciate that these threads now have a tradition of starting with Yale coaching news.

Quote from: ursusminor on May 20, 2026, 02:12:29 PMWasn't there a 26-27 schedule thread?

Sacred Heart in Ithaca 10/30 & 10/31. https://sacredheartpioneers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/schedule

Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 07:15:37 AMAs per Bucci, (https://x.com/Buccigross/status/2057556815676862717?s=20) trapezoid rule will start next year in Div 1 hockey.

Quote from: Weder on May 22, 2026, 09:02:13 AM

Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 07:15:37 AMAs per Bucci, (https://x.com/Buccigross/status/2057556815676862717?s=20) trapezoid rule will start next year in Div 1 hockey.

Apparently they are also removing the mandated shootout for the women. The ECAC used shootouts only for tiebreaking purposes anyway, so I wonder if it'll go away right away.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/5/21/media-center-cut-resistant-equipment-proposed-in-mens-and-womens-ice-hockey.aspx

Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 07:15:37 AMAs per Bucci, (https://x.com/Buccigross/status/2057556815676862717?s=20) trapezoid rule will start next year in Div 1 hockey.

Quote from: The Rancor on May 22, 2026, 02:50:27 PMWisconsin added another goalie, Xander Miceli. Anton Castro apparently out.

Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 06:45:05 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on May 22, 2026, 02:50:27 PMWisconsin added another goalie, Xander Miceli. Anton Castro apparently out.

The hell are they gonna do with all these goalies?

Quote from: stereax on May 22, 2026, 06:45:05 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on May 22, 2026, 02:50:27 PMWisconsin added another goalie, Xander Miceli. Anton Castro apparently out.

The hell are they gonna do with all these goalies?

Quote from: stereax on May 24, 2026, 06:55:11 AMAs per the Brown Hockey Blog, (https://x.com/i/status/2057928037585256732) they're bringing in 2F, 2D, and 1G from the portal. They also mention playing BU.

Quote from: The Rancor on May 24, 2026, 11:44:12 AM

Quote from: stereax on May 24, 2026, 06:55:11 AMAs per the Brown Hockey Blog, (https://x.com/i/status/2057928037585256732) they're bringing in 2F, 2D, and 1G from the portal. They also mention playing BU.

...and a giant video board. Bummer.

Quote from: stereax on May 29, 2026, 12:38:34 PMHarvard recruit, Ryder Cali, flips to Providence. (https://x.com/i/status/2060380561990959506)

Quote from: stereax on June 27, 2026, 08:35:58 PMHmm. (https://x.com/i/status/2071028835177627810)

#Isles acquire D Ryan Healey from #mnwild for future considerations. 2022 4th rd pick at Harvard, NCAA signing rights expire Aug 15.

Quote from: sah67 on June 29, 2026, 09:26:09 AMPenn State commit, Alexander Karmanov, who is currently listed at 7'1" tall and 280 lbs. was taken in the 6th round by San Jose. According to this profile from the NYT, his custom stick is 2 inches taller than Jake Kraft:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6560201/2025/08/21/biggest-tallest-hockey-player-zdeno-chara-alexander-karmanov/?unlocked_article_code=1.t1A.uulO.ynSq7v1vZ3Cq&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta

Can't wait to hear how he's "still growing into his frame."

Quote from: sah67 on June 29, 2026, 09:26:09 AMPenn State commit, Alexander Karmanov, who is currently listed at 7'1" tall and 280 lbs. was taken in the 6th round by San Jose. According to this profile from the NYT, his custom stick is 2 inches taller than Jake Kraft:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6560201/2025/08/21/biggest-tallest-hockey-player-zdeno-chara-alexander-karmanov/?unlocked_article_code=1.t1A.uulO.ynSq7v1vZ3Cq&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta

Can't wait to hear how he's "still growing into his frame."

Quote from: stereax on June 29, 2026, 10:14:17 AMHe was taken in the 7th

Quote from: ursusminor on June 05, 2026, 12:31:31 PMHouston Field House renovations video.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DZLYOk-JWxY/

Quote from: stereax on July 15, 2026, 11:08:26 AMIn news that is making me crash out, the Devils decided to hire Donato as an assistant coach.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on July 15, 2026, 03:05:51 PM

Quote from: stereax on July 15, 2026, 11:08:26 AMIn news that is making me crash out, the Devils decided to hire Donato as an assistant coach.

Ha ha!

Quote from: Trotsky on July 16, 2026, 01:16:51 AMWouldn't that be like carrying coal to Newcastle?

Quote from: stereax on July 16, 2026, 03:48:06 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on July 16, 2026, 01:16:51 AMWouldn't that be like carrying coal to Newcastle?

the reference has gone squarely over my head

Quote from: adamw on July 17, 2026, 11:56:57 AMWeirdly good news for Cornell hockey on the 5-year front?

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/07/17_New-Government-Rule-Jeopardizes.php

Not good news for Cornell non-sports.

Quote from: adamw on July 17, 2026, 11:56:57 AMWeirdly good news for Cornell hockey on the 5-year front?

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/07/17_New-Government-Rule-Jeopardizes.php

Not good news for Cornell non-sports.

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as

I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."

Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as

I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."

Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.

The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as

I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."

Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.

The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.

Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash.  Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as

I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."

Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.

The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.

Honestly, it's a tired age-old discussion that always has the same answer. Does Manchester City win because it has the most money or the best system/coaching? Yes. Do the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers win because of the money or the system? Yes.  St. John's made the Sweet 16 again for the first time in 27 years after a billionaire pumped $5 million into the program to pay players.

When people say "money is not the reason you need a good system" - it's a false dichotomy. Everyone knows you need both.  Holy Cross isn't winning a national championship any time soon, no matter what they do.  The greatest coach with the greatest system on god's green earth isn't competing nationally without money.  When the money gap used to be smaller, it was more possible, though having "resources" were still important. Now that the money gap is a giant chasm, it's even more difficult to bridge the gap by being smarter.

Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash.  Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as

I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."

Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.

The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.

Honestly, it's a tired age-old discussion that always has the same answer. Does Manchester City win because it has the most money or the best system/coaching? Yes. Do the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers win because of the money or the system? Yes.  St. John's made the Sweet 16 again for the first time in 27 years after a billionaire pumped $5 million into the program to pay players.

When people say "money is not the reason you need a good system" - it's a false dichotomy. Everyone knows you need both.  Holy Cross isn't winning a national championship any time soon, no matter what they do.  The greatest coach with the greatest system on god's green earth isn't competing nationally without money.  When the money gap used to be smaller, it was more possible, though having "resources" were still important. Now that the money gap is a giant chasm, it's even more difficult to bridge the gap by being smarter.

Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash.  Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.

Quote from: ugarte on July 21, 2026, 12:43:24 PMFocusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.

This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.

The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.

What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.

Quote from: Dafatone on July 21, 2026, 11:27:22 AMThe Mets are out there, fighting the good fight against a salary cap by proving that it's not just money.

Stand with the MLBPA. Support the Mets.

Quote from: stereax on July 21, 2026, 02:07:57 PMMake the tournament and win the next four.

Quote from: Trotsky on July 21, 2026, 02:21:56 PM

Quote from: stereax on July 21, 2026, 02:07:57 PMMake the tournament and win the next four.

Go 0-30.  Win the next 9.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio on July 21, 2026, 06:27:30 AM

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as

I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."

Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.

The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.

Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash.  Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.

Or, just say: if that's what it's going to take to be competitive, it's no longer the college sports that you've enjoyed following for years, and it no longer matters to you how your team does in that kind of environment, and you find a new interest.

Quote from: sezenack on July 21, 2026, 09:48:42 AMYes you are totally correct that you need both. However, that doesn't mean that we can't analyze the system portion of it in isolation to see what the best small school programs have done there to keep up with big teams. Like I said, once I finish up part 2, it will say the same thing as you about resources. I just think people are a little tired of the money talk right now though, so I wanted to isolate the recruiting and systems part of it first for that reason.

Quote from: Trotsky on July 21, 2026, 02:21:56 PM

Quote from: stereax on July 21, 2026, 02:07:57 PMMake the tournament and win the next four.

Go 0-30.  Win the next 9.

Quote from: ugarte on July 21, 2026, 12:43:24 PMFocusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.

This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.

The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.

What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.

Quote from: Chris H82 on July 21, 2026, 09:01:10 PM

Quote from: ugarte on July 21, 2026, 12:43:24 PMFocusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.

This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.

The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.

What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.

Case in point: https://youtu.be/EW3kgtLlpd4?is=g4vYuoPHD51GKrWX

Quote from: Chris H82 on July 21, 2026, 09:01:10 PM

Quote from: ugarte on July 21, 2026, 12:43:24 PMFocusing on championships in a tilted system is a waste of emotional resources.

This is going to sound smarmy and for that i apologize but you watch the games for the games. If I went to Brown, I'd be stuck rooting for Brown hockey and I would still watch. I know this because I root for the Pittsburgh Pirates and watch 150 games a year.

The lax championship was fucking great. The lesson is that if you make the tournament enough times, you'll win two games instead of one and then who knows what happens once it's down to four teams. You just have to win two games again.

What i know as a Cornell fan is that the university puts enough into the program to get A Chance out of it. I'm here for the ride, not the destination. But goddamn, what a fucking thrill the ride becomes once we approach the destination.

Case in point: https://youtu.be/EW3kgtLlpd4?is=g4vYuoPHD51GKrWX

Quote from: Trotsky on July 21, 2026, 02:20:34 PM

Quote from: Dafatone on July 21, 2026, 11:27:22 AMThe Mets are out there, fighting the good fight against a salary cap by proving that it's not just money.

Stand with the MLBPA. Support the Mets.

Words can hurt too you monster!

Quote from: Dafatone on July 21, 2026, 11:43:43 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on July 21, 2026, 02:20:34 PM

Quote from: Dafatone on July 21, 2026, 11:27:22 AMThe Mets are out there, fighting the good fight against a salary cap by proving that it's not just money.

Stand with the MLBPA. Support the Mets.

Words can hurt too you monster!

I'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't kill me because I'm already dead.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio on July 21, 2026, 06:27:30 AM

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 09:11:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 04:00:13 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 20, 2026, 03:37:30 PM

Quote from: sezenack on July 20, 2026, 02:37:36 PMWrote an article about the blueprint for small schools succeeding that I thought you all might be interested in too, even though I look at it through somewhat of an RPI lens.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/the-formula-to-national-success-as

I think it could've been summarized better in one sentence: "Get a large donation from a billionaire alum."

Which I believe is much more doable than any other solution, and will lead to everything else mentioned.

The money part is a second article upcoming. I don't agree though. Plenty of coaches and programs squander good talent and enough resources because they don't recruit the right mix of players, don't develop their players properly, or are poor at executing their systems. I don't think Penn State will ever win a national championship with Gadowsky's run and gun system for example. BU was decidedly mediocre last year because they were too young and soft. Harvard has been squandering their talent for years now (which is why they pushed Donato out). You need the resources, yes, but if you don't have a good system, you're not going to make good on the talent you bring in.

Schools like RPI, Clarkson, etc... -- hate to say -- will never be able to compete nationally again without a massive infusion of cash.  Those alums are out there, just need to convince them to spend.

Or, just say: if that's what it's going to take to be competitive, it's no longer the college sports that you've enjoyed following for years, and it no longer matters to you how your team does in that kind of environment, and you find a new interest.

Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.

Quote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.

I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.

Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.

But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.

Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players?  And freaking out trying to do so?

Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.

I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.

Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.

But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.

Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players?  And freaking out trying to do so?

1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.

Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PM1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.

Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PM1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.

Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to re-HASH old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.

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Quote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.

I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.

Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.

But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.

Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players?  And freaking out trying to do so?

1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.

you're hopeless

lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k

Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 08:54:55 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 29, 2026, 07:39:23 PM

Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.

I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.

Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.

But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.

Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players?  And freaking out trying to do so?

1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.

you're hopeless

lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k

I never said they're making 10k and I find it interesting you didn't engage with anything I actually wrote

Quote from: adamw on July 30, 2026, 12:19:46 PM

Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 08:54:55 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 29, 2026, 07:39:23 PM

Quote from: BearLover on July 29, 2026, 12:53:25 PM

Quote from: adamw on July 28, 2026, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: BearLover on July 28, 2026, 03:55:33 PMMoney has ruined college football and basketball. It remains to be seen whether hockey follows. Not to rehash old arguments, but adamw is jumping the gun by saying money is the most important thing. College hockey programs cannot support themselves. Unlike football and basketball, there are no lucrative TV contracts or ticket sales. Instead, programs are reliant on donors. It is true programs can pay players now, but the pot of money they have to spend hasn't magically increased. Where before it was split amongst recruiting, travel, facilities, and coaching, the same pot of money is now squeezed even further to the extent it is shared with players. Clarkson and RPI are struggling financially, but that's been the case for awhile. In any case, they should be concerned with competing within the ECAC rather than nationally. Within the ECAC, money isn't really a thing.

I said No. 1 thing if you want to compete nationally. Which is what the poster was talking about. And not that it's the most important thing, per se - but that it's the baseline, and without it, you're going nowhere (nationally). It's the first thing. So at least respond accurately.

Next - it's not necessarily the same pot - since everyone is getting creative with the donations to figure out how to get more money.

But - even if it was the same pot - that's irrelevant - since if, as you say, more is going to players and less is going elsewhere .... well, money going to players is what's affecting the ability to be competitive.

Once again -- since I don't know why this is even in question -- if the money weren't a big deal, why is EVERY school putting together a pot of between $100k and $1 million to pay college hockey players?  And freaking out trying to do so?

1. Citation needed that every school is doing this. St. Lawrence, Colgate, Alaska?
2. Citation needed that every school is freaking out about it.
3. Already been discussed here but David Carle mentioned on a podcast recently that Alston money + cost of attendance is factored into what we consider revenue sharing/NIL. At Denver that amounts to 10K per player, so a roster of 26 is getting paid 260K total even without any additional rev share/NIL. Alston money/COA is relatively new but predates NIL and revenue sharing. I don't know if a school like RPI/Clarson/StL/Colgate/Alaska was paying Alston money/COA, but even just doing that would get them to 260K. I mention this because nobody really cared about Alston money/COA before, but now the notion that teams have a 260K budget for paying its players is supposedly a big deal. To be clear: teams were already paying these amounts, before the House settlement/advent of NIL. It has now simply been repositioned as part of the rev share/NIL bucket. But the amount being paid to players hasn't necessarily increased.
4. I mention that RPI/Clarkson should care more about winning in-conference not in response to what you said (I wasn't even responding to your post) but because it's a more realistic aspirational goal that would still be considered a success.

you're hopeless

lol if you think Denver's 2 first-rounders are making 10k

I never said they're making 10k and I find it interesting you didn't engage with anything I actually wrote

You find it interesting because you are a stubborn child, and so it's useless. I've told it all to you many times before, yet you still insist on things that aren't true.  So - what more do you want.  If you want engagement, read my old replies.

Quote from: dbilmes on August 03, 2026, 04:53:18 PMHarvard gets lots of positive press in this article (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7437150/2026/07/29/ncaa-hockey-nil-harvard-coach/?unlocked_article_code=1.2lA.kjnM.0BlqW5y2SRLo&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta) in The Athletic.
My favorite part of it, though, was this reader comment:
"On May 7, longtime Crimson coach Ted Donato announced that he would step away at the conclusion of the academic calendar, leaving behind a winning NCAA legacy and a wide NHL footprint."
What does this mean — leaving behind a wide NHL footprint?
By the way, coach has won 53 percent of his games and no NCAA titles. Is "legendary" the word we want in the headline? Or is that just default now for sportswriters? Whatever for clicks?

Quote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:

Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)

Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets

Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)

Quote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:

Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)

Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets

Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)

Quote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AM

Quote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:

Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)

Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets

Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)

My wife was going to fail Joey Harrington when he was taking her class at UOregon.  That's when she got a visit.  Her doctoral candidacy was mentioned.

He got a D.

Kudos to PC.  There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.

Quote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AM

Quote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:

Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)

Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets

Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)

My wife was going to fail Joey Harrington when he was taking her class at UOregon.  That's when she got a visit.  Her doctoral candidacy was mentioned.

He got a D.

Kudos to PC.  There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.

Quote from: arugula on August 05, 2026, 02:53:47 PMHave a friend who is on faculty at Dartmouth.  Won't share what they teach because that would give it away.  Suffice to say it's not an area with which you would associate jocks.  Said pleasantly surprised by how engaged the hockey players in the class were.  Also said they were very nice /respectful.  At which point, I said I don't want to hear anymore, as I want to dislike them

Quote from: Beeeej on August 05, 2026, 09:19:32 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AM

Quote from: stereax on August 04, 2026, 08:34:10 PMMark Divver:

Providence College freshman goalie Ben Hrebik, who played for OHL Barrie the last two years, recently became academically ineligible because he failed a class (https://x.com/i/status/2084735416993751533)

Friars looking to add a goalie before start of season and already have a few targets

Hrebik had been on campus at PC for month of July going to summer school (https://x.com/i/status/2084737610442854701)

My wife was going to fail Joey Harrington when he was taking her class at UOregon.  That's when she got a visit.  Her doctoral candidacy was mentioned.

He got a D.

Kudos to PC.  There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.

The question for me is whether PC would've done the same thing prior to the existence of the transfer portal.

I have no philosophical objection to a student-athlete getting a disproportionate amount of tutoring or other help in order to be able to pass a class they otherwise might not, and I think that's where Cornell's stance lies as well, but it sure does help that they try not to admit kids who aren't capable of the work in the first place.

Quote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AM... Joey Harrington ... Kudos to PC.  There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.

Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:23:55 PMhttps://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182

Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.

Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:41:28 PM

Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:23:55 PMhttps://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182

Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.

My thoughts on this:
Cornell never really does this at a large scale, even with recruits who don't pan out. Some of these kids committed under the old coach, but why wait over two years to decommit them? Could ostensibly be due to the new "start before your 20th birthday, else you lose a year" rule, but even in that case, they'd still get 3 years of eligibility. And there isn't much downside to keeping them on the roster even if they aren't good, since Princeton isn't subject to roster caps.

Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:41:28 PM

Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:23:55 PMhttps://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182

Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.

My thoughts on this:
Cornell never really does this at a large scale, even with recruits who don't pan out. Some of these kids committed under the old coach, but why wait over two years to decommit them? Could ostensibly be due to the new "start before your 20th birthday, else you lose a year" rule, but even in that case, they'd still get 3 years of eligibility. And there isn't much downside to keeping them on the roster even if they aren't good, since Princeton isn't subject to roster caps.

Quote from: ugarte on August 05, 2026, 05:12:35 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on August 05, 2026, 07:42:27 AM... Joey Harrington ... Kudos to PC.  There may not be another school in all D-1 that would do that.

unlesss this kid was Tretiak i don't think PC had as much riding on him as Oregon had on Harrington

Quote from: BearLover on August 06, 2026, 10:29:07 AMWith the opening of the CHL, the baseline talent level in college hockey has vastly improved. See here how many draft picks are playing college hockey on the top teams next season:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HPCyZaWWgAAZ9BE?format=png&name=900x900

Cornell's talent is better than that of a Cornell team from 5-10 years ago. But have we improved as much as our opponents?

Quote from: Dafatone on August 05, 2026, 10:06:11 AMThe partner of a friend who played junior hockey (the partner not the friend) claimed that he was recruited by Harvard but couldn't clear the academics bar.

Quote from: ugarte on August 05, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThey also aren't subject to commitments like they may be at other schools. (I don't know the latest status on the validity of letters of intent but the Ivies have never used them. Plus the decommits may not have all originated from Syer. The landscape changed for recruits just as it did for the coaches and maybe things changed for the players.

Quote from: scoop85 on August 05, 2026, 06:14:35 PM

Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:41:28 PM

Quote from: BearLover on August 05, 2026, 05:23:55 PMhttps://x.com/ClankoMedia/status/2084747398400684182

Syer apparently recently decommitted a bunch of '06 Princeton recruits. You can see all the crossed out names on Heisenberg's 2026 spreadsheet. And another crossed out name on the 2027 spreadsheet. Looks like 8 players total with '05 and '06 birth years have been decommitted, though I'm not sure if all were recent.

My thoughts on this:
Cornell never really does this at a large scale, even with recruits who don't pan out. Some of these kids committed under the old coach, but why wait over two years to decommit them? Could ostensibly be due to the new "start before your 20th birthday, else you lose a year" rule, but even in that case, they'd still get 3 years of eligibility. And there isn't much downside to keeping them on the roster even if they aren't good, since Princeton isn't subject to roster caps.

No roster caps, but an Ivy coach only gets so many slots with admissions, so it behooves them to make each of them count.

Quote from: Trotsky on August 03, 2026, 05:10:25 PMThe inspired write poetry.

The diligent write novels.

The lazy write screenplays.

The bottomfeeders write political or sports pieces.

The reward structure is inverse to the amount of talent.

cf. acting

Quote from: BearLover on August 14, 2026, 12:30:55 AMThe Ivies had a good season in 2025-26 and I expect them to improve further in the next few years. They're one of the few subsets of schools that isn't in total disarray in the new college hockey environment.

The Ivies are recruiting well, they have young new coaches, and their schools aren't on the verge of going bankrupt like most of the schools playing D1 hockey. Maybe most importantly, almost no one transfers out thanks to the value of the degree.

Whether the other Ivies improving is good for Cornell specifically is hard to say. If Cornell is after the same pool of recruits, then it's probably bad for us.

Quote from: arugula on August 14, 2026, 11:55:49 AM

Quote from: BearLover on August 14, 2026, 12:30:55 AMThe Ivies had a good season in 2025-26 and I expect them to improve further in the next few years. They're one of the few subsets of schools that isn't in total disarray in the new college hockey environment.

The Ivies are recruiting well, they have young new coaches, and their schools aren't on the verge of going bankrupt like most of the schools playing D1 hockey. Maybe most importantly, almost no one transfers out thanks to the value of the degree.

Whether the other Ivies improving is good for Cornell specifically is hard to say. If Cornell is after the same pool of recruits, then it's probably bad for us.

Sure helps the sos if Brown and Yale get a dead cat bounce out of the cellar.  It's really only those two who have been consistently bad recently, and obviously Yale is historically generally pretty to very good.  Plus the pizza.

Quote from: marty on August 13, 2026, 05:41:25 PMToday 8/13/2026 at Houston Field House

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Please excuse the portrait view - this is through a door on the east side of Houston - area of the old stage.  I will try to get closer next time.

Quote from: The Rancor on August 20, 2026, 09:05:15 AMBummer for RPI.
But, this illustrates that many of these CHL guys aren't interested in college. If there's a fat bag for them or for whatever reason their 'advisors' tell them to go here, go there, but we are going to see a lot of de-commits as money gets funneled back north to Major Junior.
Factors like being able to pay his home town squad are hard to beat too, with their 7,000 seat arena and state of the art (and bigger) locker rooms etc. (edit RPI does offer athletic scholarships - I was thinking Union my bad, Ursus)

Quote from: marty on August 20, 2026, 12:14:47 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on August 20, 2026, 09:05:15 AMBummer for RPI.
But, this illustrates that many of these CHL guys aren't interested in college. If there's a fat bag for them or for whatever reason their 'advisors' tell them to go here, go there, but we are going to see a lot of de-commits as money gets funneled back north to Major Junior.
Factors like being able to pay his home town squad are hard to beat too, with their 7,000 seat arena and state of the art (and bigger) locker rooms etc. (edit RPI does offer athletic scholarships - I was thinking Union my bad, Ursus)

How the hell could anyone consider RPI if they are not interested in college (or Institute)? They were known for giving D's and F's last i read.

Are the days of "Tute, love it or leave it." just a memory?

Quote from: BearLover on August 20, 2026, 01:16:28 PMEven within the Ivies most hockey players aren't serious students.

Quote from: stereax on August 20, 2026, 01:56:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on August 20, 2026, 01:16:28 PMEven within the Ivies most hockey players aren't serious students.

I think it depends on the Ivy - like, most of our guys end up with 3.0+ GPA. I think Marty brought up that Dartmouth players also are very invested in academics - though historically Dartmouth has also been a terrible hockey school. You usually need to be at least somewhat academically inclined to succeed at an Ivy.

On the other hand, if you listen to the blue chip prospects at BC/BU/PSU who are taking theater design (Leonard/Smith/Perreault line), ceramics (Hagens), fly fishing (McKenna), or classes where you're apparently simulating preschool math education with peers your age (Cole Hutson brought this one up on a podcast recently, that they were basically "playing blocks"), it's different. Blue chip prospects see it as a step in their NHL dreams, not as much a degree. (Though I think Hutson also mentioned doing summer classes to be able to finish his degree, so, you go Glen Coco.)

CHL guys - especially those that came up in the CHL before the transfer stuff opened, ESPECIALLY the better players - are often going to think of college ONLY as a step in furthering their hockey careers. USHL guys - especially those that aren't star players, especially those going to schools like the Ivies that have good reputation scholastically - may very well consider the hockey as more a way to get a scholarship than a true future career path.

Cournoyer was a bit of an outlier in terms of the kinds of guys we usually get - very late commit and one that very specifically filled a dire need on the roster (starting goalie). I suspect Casey and company will learn a valuable lesson with that one. (And I hope Rousseau kicks ass.)

Quote from: The Rancor on August 20, 2026, 02:33:57 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 20, 2026, 01:56:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on August 20, 2026, 01:16:28 PMEven within the Ivies most hockey players aren't serious students.

I think it depends on the Ivy - like, most of our guys end up with 3.0+ GPA. I think Marty brought up that Dartmouth players also are very invested in academics - though historically Dartmouth has also been a terrible hockey school. You usually need to be at least somewhat academically inclined to succeed at an Ivy.

On the other hand, if you listen to the blue chip prospects at BC/BU/PSU who are taking theater design (Leonard/Smith/Perreault line), ceramics (Hagens), fly fishing (McKenna), or classes where you're apparently simulating preschool math education with peers your age (Cole Hutson brought this one up on a podcast recently, that they were basically "playing blocks"), it's different. Blue chip prospects see it as a step in their NHL dreams, not as much a degree. (Though I think Hutson also mentioned doing summer classes to be able to finish his degree, so, you go Glen Coco.)

CHL guys - especially those that came up in the CHL before the transfer stuff opened, ESPECIALLY the better players - are often going to think of college ONLY as a step in furthering their hockey careers. USHL guys - especially those that aren't star players, especially those going to schools like the Ivies that have good reputation scholastically - may very well consider the hockey as more a way to get a scholarship than a true future career path.

Cournoyer was a bit of an outlier in terms of the kinds of guys we usually get - very late commit and one that very specifically filled a dire need on the roster (starting goalie). I suspect Casey and company will learn a valuable lesson with that one. (And I hope Rousseau kicks ass.)

Re: USHL players- yeah until very recently they have all had to keep themselves academically eligible, or at least take academics seriously to the point of being accepted, whereas CHL players grades didn't matter at all (at least for a US college, no idea what Canadian standards are) now that has flipped a little, and some USHL or BCHL players can freely join their CHL draft teams (see the USNDP) ad then go to school, if motivated to do so.

Quote from: BearLover on August 22, 2026, 10:10:12 AMI'm not sure exactly when, but sometime in the last six-ish months Ryder Cali decommitted from Harvard, committed to Providence, and was taken in the second round of the NHL draft. Likely due to the coaching change at Harvard. I would expect Harvard to continue to recruit extremely well in the coming years.

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on August 23, 2026, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.

Outdoor exercise when the high temp is over 100ºF?  I wonder what happened.

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 06:01:25 PM

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on August 23, 2026, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.

Outdoor exercise when the high temp is over 100ºF?  I wonder what happened.

My Arizona friend literally said the same thing: "They were having them practice outside? It's fucking 110 in Phoenix! Literally that's how so many people get heat stroke in AZ and have to be hospitalized!"

Quote from: stereax on August 26, 2026, 02:28:00 PM@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)

What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.

Quote from: billhoward on August 26, 2026, 02:37:57 PMAnd for the freshman players ... waterboarding?

Quote from: ugarte on August 26, 2026, 03:19:52 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 26, 2026, 02:28:00 PM@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)

What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.

This is how Tiger Woods apparently injured his knees and back (running in army boots) and the Pirates had spring training exercises run by a Navy SEAL that got Gregory Polanco injured (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/report-pirates-lie-about-prospects-injury-after-using-questionable-training-tactics/). Everything is gender.

Quote from: The Rancor on August 26, 2026, 10:21:56 PM

Quote from: ugarte on August 26, 2026, 03:19:52 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 26, 2026, 02:28:00 PM@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)

What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.

This is how Tiger Woods apparently injured his knees and back (running in army boots) and the Pirates had spring training exercises run by a Navy SEAL that got Gregory Polanco injured (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/report-pirates-lie-about-prospects-injury-after-using-questionable-training-tactics/). Everything is gender.

For a while, Tiger's ex wife Ellen was dating Douglas Murray.

Quote from: The Rancor on August 26, 2026, 10:21:56 PM

Quote from: ugarte on August 26, 2026, 03:19:52 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 26, 2026, 02:28:00 PM@adamw on the ASU player: (https://x.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/2092659160395760046?s=20)

What I'm learning ... preseason team workouts that use 3rd parties, often run by ex-Navy Seals, have become very common across the NCAA, across all sports. They use them as team bonding exercises. There's dozens of companies that do this.

This is how Tiger Woods apparently injured his knees and back (running in army boots) and the Pirates had spring training exercises run by a Navy SEAL that got Gregory Polanco injured (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/report-pirates-lie-about-prospects-injury-after-using-questionable-training-tactics/). Everything is gender.

For a while, Tiger's ex wife Ellen was dating Douglas Murray.

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.

Quote from: George64 on August 27, 2026, 10:05:58 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.

Matthew Mayich, a 21-year-old defenseman and St. Louis Blues prospect, is hospitalized after collapsing during an outdoor workout at Arizona State University's track facilities on August 20. He suffered a possible cardiac event and was treated for a heat-related illness. Mayich is currently in a coma, and his family has asked for privacy and prayers while he undergoes medical treatment.

The incident occurred during a workout session in extreme heat, with temperatures reaching 114 degrees in the area. Arizona State University is investigating the circumstances surrounding the workout, including whether it was sanctioned by the team. The university has offered support to Mayich and his family during this difficult time.

Mayich's hockey community, including the Ontario Hockey League and the St. Louis Blues, has rallied around him, offering thoughts, prayers, and support. A virtual prayer service was held for Mayich, and an Instagram account has been created to share updates and show support, with a yellow ribbon campaign symbolizing hope for his recovery.

Quote from: George64 on August 27, 2026, 10:05:58 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.

Matthew Mayich, a 21-year-old defenseman and St. Louis Blues prospect, is hospitalized after collapsing during an outdoor workout at Arizona State University's track facilities on August 20. He suffered a possible cardiac event and was treated for a heat-related illness. Mayich is currently in a coma, and his family has asked for privacy and prayers while he undergoes medical treatment.

The incident occurred during a workout session in extreme heat, with temperatures reaching 114 degrees in the area. Arizona State University is investigating the circumstances surrounding the workout, including whether it was sanctioned by the team. The university has offered support to Mayich and his family during this difficult time.

Mayich's hockey community, including the Ontario Hockey League and the St. Louis Blues, has rallied around him, offering thoughts, prayers, and support. A virtual prayer service was held for Mayich, and an Instagram account has been created to share updates and show support, with a yellow ribbon campaign symbolizing hope for his recovery.

Quote from: BearLover on August 29, 2026, 11:59:40 AMNortheastern is forced to play all their games on the road this season, as their new stadium is under construction and their old one is condemned. My question is: will they get the full away team NPI bonus for every single game? As we discussed last season, this bonus is actually considerably greater than the true benefit of playing at home, so if indeed Northeastern gets the bonus every game they will get a really big, and unjustified, NPI benefit.

Quote from: BearLover on August 29, 2026, 11:59:40 AMNortheastern is forced to play all their games on the road this season, as their new stadium is under construction and their old one is condemned. My question is: will they get the full away team NPI bonus for every single game? As we discussed last season, this bonus is actually considerably greater than the true benefit of playing at home, so if indeed Northeastern gets the bonus every game they will get a really big, and unjustified, NPI benefit.

Quote from: Iceberg on August 29, 2026, 12:29:01 PM

Quote from: BearLover on August 29, 2026, 11:59:40 AMNortheastern is forced to play all their games on the road this season, as their new stadium is under construction and their old one is condemned. My question is: will they get the full away team NPI bonus for every single game? As we discussed last season, this bonus is actually considerably greater than the true benefit of playing at home, so if indeed Northeastern gets the bonus every game they will get a really big, and unjustified, NPI benefit.

I'm sure Adam has a precise answer to this but I'd have to imagine NU is playing "home" games at a nearby rink

Quote from: George64 on August 29, 2026, 10:15:33 AM

Quote from: George64 on August 27, 2026, 10:05:58 PM

Quote from: stereax on August 23, 2026, 05:08:05 PMArizona State (https://x.com/i/status/2091628154792059114) men's hockey player collapsed during outdoor exercise Thursday, remains hospitalized.

Matthew Mayich, a 21-year-old defenseman and St. Louis Blues prospect, is hospitalized after collapsing during an outdoor workout at Arizona State University's track facilities on August 20. He suffered a possible cardiac event and was treated for a heat-related illness. Mayich is currently in a coma, and his family has asked for privacy and prayers while he undergoes medical treatment.

The incident occurred during a workout session in extreme heat, with temperatures reaching 114 degrees in the area. Arizona State University is investigating the circumstances surrounding the workout, including whether it was sanctioned by the team. The university has offered support to Mayich and his family during this difficult time.

Mayich's hockey community, including the Ontario Hockey League and the St. Louis Blues, has rallied around him, offering thoughts, prayers, and support. A virtual prayer service was held for Mayich, and an Instagram account has been created to share updates and show support, with a yellow ribbon campaign symbolizing hope for his recovery.

He was a transfer from Clarkson (https://www.facebook.com/ECACHockey/posts/pfbid0218vbmwDHaJbbNjQLrgpoCzsu32MNXWJ1uoVN6iZuVHuzEA87UhtaSspttGtUY2G7l).

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 04:16:05 PM@adamw with the scoop: (https://x.com/i/status/2094857589809119603)

Making sure he was crystal clear on his phrasing, Carey responded to me, "He is incapacitated and has almost no real chance of recovering from that situation."

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 02:35:45 PMRelatedly, if anyone has the athletic director's email, maybe we could do a yellow ribbon handout the night we play Clarkson, in honor of Mayich?

Quote from: George64 on September 01, 2026, 04:49:40 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 02:35:45 PMRelatedly, if anyone has the athletic director's email, maybe we could do a yellow ribbon handout the night we play Clarkson, in honor of Mayich?

Nicki Moore: nwm28@cornell.edu

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 07:06:53 PM

Quote from: George64 on September 01, 2026, 04:49:40 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 02:35:45 PMRelatedly, if anyone has the athletic director's email, maybe we could do a yellow ribbon handout the night we play Clarkson, in honor of Mayich?

Nicki Moore: nwm28@cornell.edu

Do you think she'll eat me alive if I email her 😰

Quote from: George64 on September 01, 2026, 08:14:52 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 07:06:53 PM

Quote from: George64 on September 01, 2026, 04:49:40 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 02:35:45 PMRelatedly, if anyone has the athletic director's email, maybe we could do a yellow ribbon handout the night we play Clarkson, in honor of Mayich?

Nicki Moore: nwm28@cornell.edu

Do you think she'll eat me alive if I email her 😰

I doubt it.  It'd be a nice gesture, as Casey probably had a hand in recruiting him to Clarkson.

Quote from: adamw on September 01, 2026, 11:32:48 PM

Quote from: George64 on September 01, 2026, 08:14:52 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 07:06:53 PM

Quote from: George64 on September 01, 2026, 04:49:40 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 02:35:45 PMRelatedly, if anyone has the athletic director's email, maybe we could do a yellow ribbon handout the night we play Clarkson, in honor of Mayich?

Nicki Moore: nwm28@cornell.edu

Do you think she'll eat me alive if I email her 😰

I doubt it.  It'd be a nice gesture, as Casey probably had a hand in recruiting him to Clarkson.

I don't believe he did. Mayich played in the OHL, and Casey was already at Cornell when the Major Junior path opened.

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 02:35:45 PMRelatedly, if anyone has the athletic director's email, maybe we could do a yellow ribbon handout the night we play Clarkson, in honor of Mayich?

Quote from: The Rancor on September 02, 2026, 06:53:13 PMIt is a good idea. Let us out of towners know how to help, contribute or support if this takes off.

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 04:16:05 PM@adamw with the scoop: (https://x.com/i/status/2094857589809119603)

Making sure he was crystal clear on his phrasing, Carey responded to me, "He is incapacitated and has almost no real chance of recovering from that situation."

Quote from: George64 on September 06, 2026, 04:20:10 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 04:16:05 PM@adamw with the scoop: (https://x.com/i/status/2094857589809119603)

Making sure he was crystal clear on his phrasing, Carey responded to me, "He is incapacitated and has almost no real chance of recovering from that situation."

ASU finally acknowledges Matthew Mayich's injury yesterday.  About time! (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2026/09/05/arizona-state-hockey-acknowledges-matthew-mayich-collapse/91638480007/)

Quote from: stereax on September 06, 2026, 08:54:55 PM

Quote from: George64 on September 06, 2026, 04:20:10 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 01, 2026, 04:16:05 PM@adamw with the scoop: (https://x.com/i/status/2094857589809119603)

Making sure he was crystal clear on his phrasing, Carey responded to me, "He is incapacitated and has almost no real chance of recovering from that situation."

ASU finally acknowledges Matthew Mayich's injury yesterday.  About time! (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2026/09/05/arizona-state-hockey-acknowledges-matthew-mayich-collapse/91638480007/)

Christ almighty maybe it would've been better if they didn't. Two damn weeks.

QuoteAn ASU spokesperson previously said the university was not going to identify the student-athlete involved in the incident due to privacy interests.

Robert Carey, an attorney for Mayich's family, said Wednesday the hockey player has no chance for recovery, stating "his body ceased functioning in a fundamental way, and this condition is irreversible."

Leonard Aragon, another attorney representing Mayich's family, told KTAR News on Tuesday that Mayich flew in from Ottawa, Canada, less than a week before his first practice in Arizona's heat, which he claims was led by a former Green beret who pushed the athletes to their limit and beyond with a military-style workout. He also alleged that the student-athletes would be punished for stopping or drinking water.

QuoteIf a person or business places someone in a specific dangerous or hazardous situation that they directly caused, a legal duty to render aid may apply.

Quote from: chimpfood on September 08, 2026, 12:42:28 AMThis is stupid. He collapsed during a workout that is very commonly done. Yes, everyone should learn and always give kids water and enough rest during workouts, but nobody needs to be arrested or executed.

Quote from: chimpfood on September 08, 2026, 12:42:28 AMThis is stupid. He collapsed during a workout that is very commonly done. Yes, everyone should learn and always give kids water and enough rest during workouts, but nobody needs to be arrested or executed.

Quote from: stereax on September 08, 2026, 01:22:54 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on September 08, 2026, 12:42:28 AMThis is stupid. He collapsed during a workout that is very commonly done. Yes, everyone should learn and always give kids water and enough rest during workouts, but nobody needs to be arrested or executed.

If you live in a state where you need to have heatstroke protocols, and you're doing strenuous workouts in heat, and you logically know some of your kids aren't adjusted to it...

Quote from: chimpfood on September 08, 2026, 12:42:28 AMThis is stupid. He collapsed during a workout that is very commonly done. Yes, everyone should learn and always give kids water and enough rest during workouts, but nobody needs to be arrested or executed.

Quote from: chimpfood on September 08, 2026, 12:42:28 AMThis is stupid. He collapsed during a workout that is very commonly done. Yes, everyone should learn and always give kids water and enough rest during workouts, but nobody needs to be arrested or executed.

Quote from: adamw on September 08, 2026, 07:33:56 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on September 08, 2026, 12:42:28 AMThis is stupid. He collapsed during a workout that is very commonly done. Yes, everyone should learn and always give kids water and enough rest during workouts, but nobody needs to be arrested or executed.

do you know details about what the workout was and what is commonly done that I don't?

Quote from: abmarks on September 08, 2026, 11:15:42 PMNow a marching band member dies from the heat.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/49870190/iowa-band-member-taken-life-support-collapsing-game

QuoteSexualized abuse akin to "torture" became the norm in ritualistic hazing among members of the University of Michigan's men's hockey team from 1984 to 2001, according to a new federal lawsuit filed by 16 former team members.

The allegations are graphic and shocking: Many allege they were stripped naked and forcibly had their genitals shaved. Others say during this process, the handles of razors were forcibly inserted into their anuses. Multiple people said they had pubic hair singed by a blowtorch. Others said older players tied a hockey helmet to the genitalia of younger players and filled the helmet with pucks.

"Coaching staff concealed the nature of the abuse and misled the players by chiding the few players who complained to 'be a Michigan man;' that they were not being 'good teammates;' and even penalizing players with reduced ice time," the lawsuit states.

Quote from: Jim Hyla on September 09, 2026, 08:52:29 AM

Quote from: abmarks on September 08, 2026, 11:15:42 PMNow a marching band member dies from the heat.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/49870190/iowa-band-member-taken-life-support-collapsing-game

How do we know that he died from the heat? Nothing in the article proves that. It even says that he died before they were to perform and that he had cardiac arrest. Maybe he had unknown cardiac problems. Certainly students have been found to have previously unknown problems.

They say he collapsed in the heat. Well duh, it was hot, he couldn't have collapsed in the cold.

It was bad reporting to even say that he collapsed in the heat, because it seems to imply that it was due to  the heat, even though it doesn't have any proof of that. A more reasonable statement, until more is known, would be to just say that he died after collapsing due to "sudden cardiac arrest."

The author made it worse when it went on to discuss the temperature and what the school did and didn't do with game times. Better reporting would have been to first acknowledge that we don't know how much, if any, the heat was a factor.

The way words are used matters and we all need to be careful how we say or write things.

This is not to say that heat wasn't a factor. It may well have been. But until we know the facts, we should be careful.

QuoteThe Hawkeye Marching Band is supported by UI Health Care and UI Sports Medicine at all practices and events, and students participating in HMB must have clearance from UI Sports Medicine to actively practice or perform during the season.

UI Sports Medicine consults with students as needed; providing appropriate care and referrals to students when injured or ill, and providing training to staff and students on appropriate topics related to weather, nutrition, injury prevention. Recommendations include hydrating in advance, eating appropriately, wearing suitable clothing, and staying equipped with water, sunscreen, hats, and other protective items.

The Hawkeye Marching Band modifies rehearsal and game day procedures when conditions warrant. While preparing for the Sept. 5, football game, HMB rehearsed indoors on Tuesday and Wednesday. Throughout the week, and during dress rehearsal at Kinnick Stadium, hydration breaks were provided three or four times per hour, and cooling towels were available for students. On Sept. 5, the band was outfitted in its alternate hot-weather uniform that included shorts, t-shirts, and ball caps, rather than the traditional marching uniform. Hydration stations and regular water breaks were available throughout the day. These measures were implemented in consultation with UI Sports Medicine and are consistent with HMB's established protocols for extreme heat and humidity conditions.

Quote from: sah67 on September 09, 2026, 09:07:10 PMChanged the link to a non-paywall version:

16 former members of the UMich men's team from 1984-2001 filed a lawsuit today against the university and its board for "sexualized torture" they claim they endured at the hands of older players.

Red Berenson and Mel Pearson are not named as defendants but are described in the suit as having condoned and encouraged the abuse: https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2026/09/sexual-hazing-accusations-leveled-at-michigan-hockey-in-lawsuit.html

QuoteSexualized abuse akin to "torture" became the norm in ritualistic hazing among members of the University of Michigan's men's hockey team from 1984 to 2001, according to a new federal lawsuit filed by 16 former team members.

The allegations are graphic and shocking: Many allege they were stripped naked and forcibly had their genitals shaved. Others say during this process, the handles of razors were forcibly inserted into their anuses. Multiple people said they had pubic hair singed by a blowtorch. Others said older players tied a hockey helmet to the genitalia of younger players and filled the helmet with pucks.

"Coaching staff concealed the nature of the abuse and misled the players by chiding the few players who complained to 'be a Michigan man;' that they were not being 'good teammates;' and even penalizing players with reduced ice time," the lawsuit states.

Quote from: arugula on September 15, 2026, 02:17:05 PMI happened to stumble over to Princeton's hockey website and noted that single game tickets are already onsale and Cornell is nearly sold out.  I never got a notification or saw anything here.  Did you all know?

Quote from: Dafatone on September 15, 2026, 03:55:45 PM

Quote from: arugula on September 15, 2026, 02:17:05 PMI happened to stumble over to Princeton's hockey website and noted that single game tickets are already onsale and Cornell is nearly sold out.  I never got a notification or saw anything here.  Did you all know?

Similarly, does anyone know if there will be a Cornell section at Nebraska Omaha?

Quote from: stereax on September 15, 2026, 04:08:37 PM

Quote from: Dafatone on September 15, 2026, 03:55:45 PM

Quote from: arugula on September 15, 2026, 02:17:05 PMI happened to stumble over to Princeton's hockey website and noted that single game tickets are already onsale and Cornell is nearly sold out.  I never got a notification or saw anything here.  Did you all know?

Similarly, does anyone know if there will be a Cornell section at Nebraska Omaha?

Considering timing and travel, I'd say unlikely, but I'd wager there would be Cornell fans in attendance and that there would be an organic clumping together.

Quote from: Dafatone on September 15, 2026, 04:09:39 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 15, 2026, 04:08:37 PM

Quote from: Dafatone on September 15, 2026, 03:55:45 PM

Quote from: arugula on September 15, 2026, 02:17:05 PMI happened to stumble over to Princeton's hockey website and noted that single game tickets are already onsale and Cornell is nearly sold out.  I never got a notification or saw anything here.  Did you all know?

Similarly, does anyone know if there will be a Cornell section at Nebraska Omaha?

Considering timing and travel, I'd say unlikely, but I'd wager there would be Cornell fans in attendance and that there would be an organic clumping together.

I hope so. Nothing like shouting "red" during the anthem and then realizing youre the only one, while a few thousand annoyed Nebraskans glare at you.

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Quote from: stereax on September 15, 2026, 04:10:52 PMRelatedly, why do we only do the red at hockey and lacrosse games? Why not at basketball, soccer, etc?

Quote from: TimV on September 16, 2026, 06:39:25 AM

Quote from: stereax on September 15, 2026, 04:10:52 PMRelatedly, why do we only do the red at hockey and lacrosse games? Why not at basketball, soccer, etc?

What is this "basketball" and "soccer" you speak of? 8)

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 09:24:21 AMMore on the ASU - Matthew Mayich situation: No Contract, No Vetting (paywall) (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2026/09/16/matthew-mayich-family-demands-investigation/91779136007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z11xx29p119050c119050e1198xxv11xx29d--xx--b--xx--&gca-ft=144&gca-ds=sophi)

Quote from: stereax on September 16, 2026, 10:24:11 AM

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 09:24:21 AMMore on the ASU - Matthew Mayich situation: No Contract, No Vetting (paywall) (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2026/09/16/matthew-mayich-family-demands-investigation/91779136007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z11xx29p119050c119050e1198xxv11xx29d--xx--b--xx--&gca-ft=144&gca-ds=sophi)

heads need to roll. as per adam, asu is going to hold their season, but holy shit heads need to roll for the disregard to policy. especially because it led to a kid who's, from my understanding, basically dead.

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 12:34:30 PMWhile it's highly plausible protocols weren't followed, as far as I can tell every insinuation they were not followed has come from the Mayich family attorney? So I don't understand why people are jumping to conclusions (on both sides) and declaring "heads must roll," "the coach must be fired," "this is a common workout and nothing was handled incorrectly." Why don't people wait for the facts to come out in a neutral forum? Way too much conjecture going on here. Firing a bunch of people or canceling the season is not going to bring this poor kid back and it isn't going to stop the family's grieving.

Quote from: Dafatone on September 16, 2026, 12:50:29 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 12:34:30 PMWhile it's highly plausible protocols weren't followed, as far as I can tell every insinuation they were not followed has come from the Mayich family attorney? So I don't understand why people are jumping to conclusions (on both sides) and declaring "heads must roll," "the coach must be fired," "this is a common workout and nothing was handled incorrectly." Why don't people wait for the facts to come out in a neutral forum? Way too much conjecture going on here. Firing a bunch of people or canceling the season is not going to bring this poor kid back and it isn't going to stop the family's grieving.

On the other hand, prison.

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 01:26:24 PMThe guy the coach brought in to run these workouts was, according to his own lawyer's statement, not vetted or contracted by the University or Athletic Department- it's in the article. That is a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't put in an ice bath, also  a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't acclimated for the time laid out by the protocol. WTF else is there? BL as always, just asking questions that are clearly answered in a legitimate news source. Coach: Fired, if not worse. Training Staff: Fired, if not worse. Athletes shouldn't lose their season, but they are about to, if they can't get a coach ASAP. Schaefer?

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 01:26:24 PMThe guy the coach brought in to run these workouts was, according to his own lawyer's statement, not vetted or contracted by the University or Athletic Department- it's in the article. That is a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't put in an ice bath, also  a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't acclimated for the time laid out by the protocol. WTF else is there? BL as always, just asking questions that are clearly answered in a legitimate news source.

Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.

Quote from: stereax on September 16, 2026, 10:24:11 AM

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 09:24:21 AMMore on the ASU - Matthew Mayich situation: No Contract, No Vetting (paywall) (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2026/09/16/matthew-mayich-family-demands-investigation/91779136007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z11xx29p119050c119050e1198xxv11xx29d--xx--b--xx--&gca-ft=144&gca-ds=sophi)

heads need to roll. as per adam, asu is going to hold their season, but holy shit heads need to roll for the disregard to policy. especially because it led to a kid who's, from my understanding, basically dead.

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 01:44:27 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 01:26:24 PMThe guy the coach brought in to run these workouts was, according to his own lawyer's statement, not vetted or contracted by the University or Athletic Department- it's in the article. That is a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't put in an ice bath, also  a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't acclimated for the time laid out by the protocol. WTF else is there? BL as always, just asking questions that are clearly answered in a legitimate news source.

Try again.

From the CHN article on its front page:

"A report Tuesday in the Arizona Republic said that Timothy Ziesel, the Green Beret who led the workout, was not properly approved by the school, as is required by school policy. According to CHN sources, that's inaccurate. They say that though a contract was not signed, his appearance was approved."

"School policy calls for at least seven days of acclimation, and Carey said Mayich only had five, though that has been refuted by sources who say he had eight.

According to multiple sources close to the ASU program, there is evidence to refute the allegations from the Mayich family lawyer, and numerous current and former players who want to speak."

Quote from: Dafatone on September 16, 2026, 12:50:29 PMOn the other hand, prison.

Quote from: adamw on September 16, 2026, 09:49:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.

Landon Dupont getting $175 to $200k or so ... whether you want to believe it or not.

Quote from: adamw on September 16, 2026, 09:54:35 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 01:44:27 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 01:26:24 PMThe guy the coach brought in to run these workouts was, according to his own lawyer's statement, not vetted or contracted by the University or Athletic Department- it's in the article. That is a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't put in an ice bath, also  a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't acclimated for the time laid out by the protocol. WTF else is there? BL as always, just asking questions that are clearly answered in a legitimate news source.

Try again.

From the CHN article on its front page:

"A report Tuesday in the Arizona Republic said that Timothy Ziesel, the Green Beret who led the workout, was not properly approved by the school, as is required by school policy. According to CHN sources, that's inaccurate. They say that though a contract was not signed, his appearance was approved."

"School policy calls for at least seven days of acclimation, and Carey said Mayich only had five, though that has been refuted by sources who say he had eight.

According to multiple sources close to the ASU program, there is evidence to refute the allegations from the Mayich family lawyer, and numerous current and former players who want to speak."

Bro - don't quote my articles when you agree, but then refuse to believe how much players are getting paid.

Pick a lane.

Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.
2. You mention an overall budget of $250K can "keep you competitive." Unless the plan is to use that $250K to fight over your own kids trying to leave through the portal or to steal other teams' top players from the portal, I would question whether $250K actually goes very far--that's less than $10K per player, and probably quite a bit less after taxes. And even if you are using the $250K on just a few players, I question the effect on team camaraderie. If a kid wants to leave, is it really worth bribing him to stay? Or having a couple kids making way more than everyone else?

Quote from: sezenack on September 16, 2026, 11:58:32 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.
2. You mention an overall budget of $250K can "keep you competitive." Unless the plan is to use that $250K to fight over your own kids trying to leave through the portal or to steal other teams' top players from the portal, I would question whether $250K actually goes very far--that's less than $10K per player, and probably quite a bit less after taxes. And even if you are using the $250K on just a few players, I question the effect on team camaraderie. If a kid wants to leave, is it really worth bribing him to stay? Or having a couple kids making way more than everyone else?

I can't really comment on how 16 year olds get recruited since my knowledge is lacking there, but I'm sure the top ones still end up getting quite a bit of money once they actually make it to campus even if they weren't promised anything initially.

This is a good question. Not every player needs to get paid. The part that I mentioned in the recruiting section for a small school also basically applies here. There's enough talent out there now that most players don't need to get paid extra beyond the normal scholarship money. Most players in the lineup don't need to get paid anything. If a third liner tried to demand money, the coach would just let him walk because he's so easily replaceable. That $250K would likely just get split between the top 5-10 players that the program wants to stop from entering the portal. For the second part of this, it may be bad for camaraderie, but I think it is worth it to "bribe" the kid to stay. I would disagree with the term "bribery" because it implies a level of corruption or a lack of morality. As I said in the article, these players are mostly never going to have long-term lucrative pro careers, so it's hard to turn down getting paid to play. For the hockey part of it, if they don't get him to stay, then the small school has to try to find a player at a big school who entered the portal because he wasn't getting ice time, and HOPE he can replace the guy who left on the top line. If there's multiple players in that position who left, I'd imagine the odds of going 3/3 or 4/4 on that are not too good. Keeping the proven commodity is definitely better and leaves out that uncertainty.

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 11:13:34 PM

Quote from: adamw on September 16, 2026, 09:49:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.

Landon Dupont getting $175 to $200k or so ... whether you want to believe it or not.

Umm...okay? What's this supposed to be in response to? He committed a few months ago so he's not in the category I'm referencing about kids who commit years before they matriculate. He's also the consensus #1 overall pick (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/49658834/2027-nhl-draft-prospect-watch-list-top-prospects-landon-dupont) in next year's draft so yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like that is the highest paid player in college hockey.

[setting aside that afaik nobody knows how Canadian kids are allowed to get paid by colleges and setting aside you haven't given any details about what 175-200k means and whether that includes tuition or whether that's just for his freshman year]

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 11:21:39 PM

Quote from: adamw on September 16, 2026, 09:54:35 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 01:44:27 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on September 16, 2026, 01:26:24 PMThe guy the coach brought in to run these workouts was, according to his own lawyer's statement, not vetted or contracted by the University or Athletic Department- it's in the article. That is a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't put in an ice bath, also  a direct violation of protocol. He wasn't acclimated for the time laid out by the protocol. WTF else is there? BL as always, just asking questions that are clearly answered in a legitimate news source.

Try again.

From the CHN article on its front page:

"A report Tuesday in the Arizona Republic said that Timothy Ziesel, the Green Beret who led the workout, was not properly approved by the school, as is required by school policy. According to CHN sources, that's inaccurate. They say that though a contract was not signed, his appearance was approved."

"School policy calls for at least seven days of acclimation, and Carey said Mayich only had five, though that has been refuted by sources who say he had eight.

According to multiple sources close to the ASU program, there is evidence to refute the allegations from the Mayich family lawyer, and numerous current and former players who want to speak."

Bro - don't quote my articles when you agree, but then refuse to believe how much players are getting paid.

Pick a lane.

The difference between the two situations is that in one case you make a fairly precise statement and it's clear who your sources are (someone associated with the hockey program and/or university), and in the other situation the statement is vague and you do not give any indication of who your source is or even what type of source it is (a coach, an agent, someone associated with the program...). Moreover, my whole point here is that there are conflicting statements being given by two sides in an adversarial matter (the family lawyer versus the university/hockey program), neither of whom is unbiased, and so we should wait for the facts.

Quote from: Dafatone on September 17, 2026, 08:49:47 AM

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 11:13:34 PM

Quote from: adamw on September 16, 2026, 09:49:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.

Landon Dupont getting $175 to $200k or so ... whether you want to believe it or not.

Umm...okay? What's this supposed to be in response to? He committed a few months ago so he's not in the category I'm referencing about kids who commit years before they matriculate. He's also the consensus #1 overall pick (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/49658834/2027-nhl-draft-prospect-watch-list-top-prospects-landon-dupont) in next year's draft so yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like that is the highest paid player in college hockey.

[setting aside that afaik nobody knows how Canadian kids are allowed to get paid by colleges and setting aside you haven't given any details about what 175-200k means and whether that includes tuition or whether that's just for his freshman year]

Couldn't players who wind up high draft picks after committing to a college at 16 just decommit and seek payment, or tell the school they committed to "it's $100k (or whatever) or I bail?"

Quote from: Dafatone on September 17, 2026, 08:49:47 AM

Quote from: BearLover on September 16, 2026, 11:13:34 PM

Quote from: adamw on September 16, 2026, 09:49:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 15, 2026, 09:05:57 PM

Quote from: sezenack on September 04, 2026, 11:26:44 AMWrote the part 2 of the small schools competing. Yes you definitely need money to retain players consistently. For RPI, Cornell, and the other Ivies, they probably have to lean into the academic reputation and recruiting good students who care about their education to have their roster retention without being able to pay players directly

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/how-the-new-ncaa-landscape-changes

Thanks for this piece. I have a couple quibbles/questions:
1. You mention the "going rate" for first round picks is 75-100K. While I could see this being the case for transfers or CHL kids who commit at the very last second after they've already been drafted or are surefire first-rounders, this wouldn't apply to most blue-chippers who commit at age 16 or so. Unless those kids are shaking down their programs before matriculating or the program is promising 16-year-olds 75-100K, I doubt such kids are getting this much, even the ones who turn out to be first rounders.

Landon Dupont getting $175 to $200k or so ... whether you want to believe it or not.

Umm...okay? What's this supposed to be in response to? He committed a few months ago so he's not in the category I'm referencing about kids who commit years before they matriculate. He's also the consensus #1 overall pick (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/49658834/2027-nhl-draft-prospect-watch-list-top-prospects-landon-dupont) in next year's draft so yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like that is the highest paid player in college hockey.

[setting aside that afaik nobody knows how Canadian kids are allowed to get paid by colleges and setting aside you haven't given any details about what 175-200k means and whether that includes tuition or whether that's just for his freshman year]

Couldn't players who wind up high draft picks after committing to a college at 16 just decommit and seek payment, or tell the school they committed to "it's $100k (or whatever) or I bail?"

Quote from: BearLover on September 17, 2026, 01:50:11 AMCan you imagine Ben Robertson coming into Mike Schafer's office in April 2025 to inform his coach he's planning to transfer, and Schafer telling Robertson that Cornell can put together 50K to entice him to stay? No chance! Schafer, and I believe Casey as well, would tell Robertson to kick rocks; they want players who want to be here.

I'll admit that because almost nobody transfers out of the Ivies, I believe we are in a privileged position where we aren't in constant danger of a bunch of players leaving all of a sudden. But I certainly would not want Cornell to run its program this way (even if it could offer players money). 

Quote from: ugarte on September 17, 2026, 12:24:02 PM

Quote from: BearLover on September 17, 2026, 01:50:11 AMCan you imagine Ben Robertson coming into Mike Schafer's office in April 2025 to inform his coach he's planning to transfer, and Schafer telling Robertson that Cornell can put together 50K to entice him to stay? No chance! Schafer, and I believe Casey as well, would tell Robertson to kick rocks; they want players who want to be here.

I'll admit that because almost nobody transfers out of the Ivies, I believe we are in a privileged position where we aren't in constant danger of a bunch of players leaving all of a sudden. But I certainly would not want Cornell to run its program this way (even if it could offer players money). 

yeah i can imagine this pretty easily, if not in the specific sense. i don't think schafer is naive or a knucklehead and i think he'd treat the negotiation exactly like any businessperson would. for someone who usually tries to look at these issues somewhat dispassionately you sure have some old-school rah rah blind spots.

Quote from: Trotsky on September 17, 2026, 01:15:52 PMIf you are Ralph Engalstad in 2026, instead of giving $200 million to your alma mater to build a barn do you endow a slush fund to pay players from? That seems like a more effective way to support the program.  Would it be legal?

Quote from: dbilmes on September 17, 2026, 05:27:21 PMIn-depth article in The Athletic today (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7600946/2026/09/17/arizona-state-hockey-greg-powers-matthew-mayich/?unlocked_article_code=1.B1E.T7pS.43LMpXb9I0Qh&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta) about Arizona State tragedy. The coach, Greg Powers, comes across as a real jerk. It sounds like the players are in a tough spot.
This should be a gift link which anyone can read.
"Some players are conflicted, some are angry, people close to them said. Some are also scared. School and police officials probing the situation have reached out to them, but some players have been advised not to talk unless a law enforcement agency independent of ASU takes over, as the Mayich family's attorney has demanded. None of the players have spoken publicly about the incident, and some have been harangued on social media and in private messages for not speaking up for Mayich. Some would like to, but they've been cowed by the specter of retaliation."

Quote from: stereax on September 17, 2026, 06:39:19 PMMayich family talking about Matthew. (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/hes-a-fighter-mayich-family-opens-up-about-son-brother-matthew/)

In related news, I will be curling up into a ball and wailing.

Quote from: tretiak on September 23, 2026, 10:56:34 PMTrigger warning: this is Mayich (#27) roughly 10 minutes before he collapsed

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1wodbtz/arizonas_family_sports_newly_obtained_video_shows/

Adam, do you think this is just the first of many videos to come out? I'm surprised Ziesel's lawyer released this - half these kids don't have the strength left to do a push-up.

Quote from: sezenack on September 28, 2026, 02:50:07 PMA lot of you have liked my yearly ECAC preview over the years, so here is this year's! Really like Cornell's roster this year but have questions in net. If Rousseau performs, they'll be a damn good team. Also included a full model explanation since that's been asked here in the past. Didn't see a predictions thread so posting it here.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/ecac-preview-2026-27

Quote from: ugarte on September 28, 2026, 03:21:53 PMnot getting ahead of myself but that's always a nice thing to hear someone say

Quote from: stereax on September 28, 2026, 05:49:33 PMSome ASU players call for Powers to be suspended pending review of the Mayich situation. (https://x.com/KatieJStrang/status/2104684794768498782?s=20) Katie Strang article.

Quote from: stereax on September 28, 2026, 05:49:33 PMSome ASU players call for Powers to be suspended pending review of the Mayich situation. (https://x.com/KatieJStrang/status/2104684794768498782?s=20) Katie Strang article.

Quote from: sezenack on September 28, 2026, 02:50:07 PMA lot of you have liked my yearly ECAC preview over the years, so here is this year's! Really like Cornell's roster this year but have questions in net. If Rousseau performs, they'll be a damn good team. Also included a full model explanation since that's been asked here in the past. Didn't see a predictions thread so posting it here.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/ecac-preview-2026-27

Quote from: stereax on September 28, 2026, 10:37:25 PM

Quote from: stereax on September 28, 2026, 05:49:33 PMSome ASU players call for Powers to be suspended pending review of the Mayich situation. (https://x.com/KatieJStrang/status/2104684794768498782?s=20) Katie Strang article.

KTAR has published the letter. (https://x.com/EthanIgnatovsky/status/2104722667169525781?s=20)

Quote from: BearLover on September 29, 2026, 12:33:01 AM

Quote from: sezenack on September 28, 2026, 02:50:07 PMA lot of you have liked my yearly ECAC preview over the years, so here is this year's! Really like Cornell's roster this year but have questions in net. If Rousseau performs, they'll be a damn good team. Also included a full model explanation since that's been asked here in the past. Didn't see a predictions thread so posting it here.

https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/ecac-preview-2026-27

Thank you for your great write-up every year and all the effort you put into it. I will always take a math-based model like yours over vibes-based rankings by voters who have barely watched any of the teams.

I have a couple of quibbles:
1. Is it really fair to call Cornell a "tournament lock" when we are so uncertain in net? I think all of us here are bullish on the team with the exception of the major question mark in goal, but calling them a lock seems like a stretch. Being a tournament lock is a high bar that I think only Quinnipiac (and maybe Dartmouth) meets among ECAC teams.
2. I question the general methodology of weighting past season counting stats so heavily. It seems you end up overrating players/teams who were lucky the prior season and vice versa. For example, as I understand it, your model assumes Ethan Wyttenbach, Hayden Stavroff, and Caton Ryan will score more goals/points next season than they did this past season. That strikes me as quite unlikely, as (without checking) I'd assume each was very lucky last season. When your model so heavily weights past performance, you're probably going to understate fluctuation in the rankings from year to year because the good teams will project as good again and the bad teams as bad again, even if a lot of their success (or lack thereof) the prior season was luck. To "fix" this you'd probably need to factor in things like puck possession and shooting percentage stats to measure how good a team/player is beyond points/goals scored/allowed.

Quote from: stereax on September 29, 2026, 02:48:45 PMAs per Adam and Mike, ASU admin and AD have been meeting with ASU players today in various forms. Players practiced today without coaches.

Quote from: stereax on September 30, 2026, 09:45:22 AM

Quote from: stereax on September 29, 2026, 02:48:45 PMAs per Adam and Mike, ASU admin and AD have been meeting with ASU players today in various forms. Players practiced today without coaches.

Sounds like decision incoming on whether to put Powers on leave.

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Quote from: ugarte on October 02, 2026, 07:59:42 PM5-0 two minutes into the second. if this is offensive regression, yikes.

Quote from: ursusminor on October 02, 2026, 08:31:35 PMRPI defeated Army 5-4 at West Point in a preseason game. Hat trick for Rainers Rullers.

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Quote from: Beeeej on October 02, 2026, 08:51:29 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 02, 2026, 08:31:35 PMRPI defeated Army 5-4 at West Point in a preseason game. Hat trick for Rainers Rullers.

Please, there's no such person.

Quote from: The Rancor on October 03, 2026, 10:05:46 AMShitting on the program before we even hit the ice for game one. SMH. We don't even play Michigan State this season.

How do we compete? We show up on the ice for 30 (hopefully more) games. That's the whole thing. Maybe you'd be happier rooting for another team?

Quote from: stereax on October 03, 2026, 11:36:38 AMBtw Adam can you put save percentage on the app for goalies in each game?

Quote from: adamw on October 03, 2026, 11:45:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on October 03, 2026, 11:36:38 AMBtw Adam can you put save percentage on the app for goalies in each game?

Depends on which app. But I expect Ivy Leaguers to just do the math.

Quote from: marty on October 03, 2026, 07:46:08 AM

Quote from: Beeeej on October 02, 2026, 08:51:29 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 02, 2026, 08:31:35 PMRPI defeated Army 5-4 at West Point in a preseason game. Hat trick for Rainers Rullers.

Please, there's no such person.

It was a natural hat trick to tie the game at 3.

Believe that Olivers Murnieks took notice of Rainers.
 
Sveiks!

Quote from: stereax on October 03, 2026, 03:06:12 AM

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Anyone remember the last time we played MSU, when they were the 1 seed, and had a bunch of really good players, and everyone expected them to beat us to a pulp?

:)

You have to have the skill AND the process to win in the tourney. Teams like Denver are successful no matter who they have, because they bring in the right guys and they play the right way.

Obviously, the talent gap is increasing, but it also allows us to get better recruits as well. Two-sided coin. And due to our Ivy positioning, we'll always have that advantage - it's not like we're a Lindenwood.

It would be awesome to get top line talent at Cornell. At the same time, Cornell generally expects you to stay at least 3 years, if not 4. Top draft picks aren't going to do that.

If you start taking one-year mercenaries, it waters down your competitive advantages in academics, in the degree, in all of that.

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Quote from: stereax on October 03, 2026, 03:06:12 AM

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Anyone remember the last time we played MSU, when they were the 1 seed, and had a bunch of really good players, and everyone expected them to beat us to a pulp?

:)

You have to have the skill AND the process to win in the tourney. Teams like Denver are successful no matter who they have, because they bring in the right guys and they play the right way.

Obviously, the talent gap is increasing, but it also allows us to get better recruits as well. Two-sided coin. And due to our Ivy positioning, we'll always have that advantage - it's not like we're a Lindenwood.

It would be awesome to get top line talent at Cornell. At the same time, Cornell generally expects you to stay at least 3 years, if not 4. Top draft picks aren't going to do that.

If you start taking one-year mercenaries, it waters down your competitive advantages in academics, in the degree, in all of that.

Quote from: Dafatone on October 03, 2026, 04:41:33 PM

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Let teams in other conferences take a lot of the blue chip prospects. We don't have to compete with MSU. We just have to win one game against them in the NCAAs if we run into them.

Quote from: BearLover on October 04, 2026, 01:09:37 AM

Quote from: Dafatone on October 03, 2026, 04:41:33 PM

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Let teams in other conferences take a lot of the blue chip prospects. We don't have to compete with MSU. We just have to win one game against them in the NCAAs if we run into them.

"MSU" is a stand-in for "blue blood who is recruiting ridiculous talent such that the gap between ours and theirs grows larger every year." MSU could just as easily be Denver, BC, BU, Michigan, etc.

Here are the teams who ended our season in the NCAAs the past six trips:
Denver
BU
Denver
BU
Providence
BU

We do have to beat these teams if we ever want to win a national championship.

We can cope all we want, but it's very clear at this point that blue-chip recruits are far more likely to win you a national title than B-level recruits. If B-level recruits were better, then MSU would recruit them instead.

Remarking on the growing talent disparity is not "shitting on my team," it's just being realistic about the state of college hockey. I've said many times that I am bullish on our chances this year if our goaltending works out. No need for everyone to freak out and start pretending we have a better team than the 18-draft-pick juggernauts lurking in the Big 10.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio on October 04, 2026, 05:44:04 AM

Quote from: BearLover on October 04, 2026, 01:09:37 AM

Quote from: Dafatone on October 03, 2026, 04:41:33 PM

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Let teams in other conferences take a lot of the blue chip prospects. We don't have to compete with MSU. We just have to win one game against them in the NCAAs if we run into them.

"MSU" is a stand-in for "blue blood who is recruiting ridiculous talent such that the gap between ours and theirs grows larger every year." MSU could just as easily be Denver, BC, BU, Michigan, etc.

Here are the teams who ended our season in the NCAAs the past six trips:
Denver
BU
Denver
BU
Providence
BU

We do have to beat these teams if we ever want to win a national championship.

We can cope all we want, but it's very clear at this point that blue-chip recruits are far more likely to win you a national title than B-level recruits. If B-level recruits were better, then MSU would recruit them instead.

Remarking on the growing talent disparity is not "shitting on my team," it's just being realistic about the state of college hockey. I've said many times that I am bullish on our chances this year if our goaltending works out. No need for everyone to freak out and start pretending we have a better team than the 18-draft-pick juggernauts lurking in the Big 10.

Everyone here knows all of this.  You really don't have to keep repeating your Chicken Little act every three days.  You seem to think you're the only one who's figured this out.  Or, do you just want everyone else here to be as miserable over it as you are?

Your laments are not going to change things one bit.  So, either suck it up and figure out how to live with it or move on to some other interest.

Quote from: BearLover on October 04, 2026, 01:09:37 AM

Quote from: Dafatone on October 03, 2026, 04:41:33 PM

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Let teams in other conferences take a lot of the blue chip prospects. We don't have to compete with MSU. We just have to win one game against them in the NCAAs if we run into them.

"MSU" is a stand-in for "blue blood who is recruiting ridiculous talent such that the gap between ours and theirs grows larger every year." MSU could just as easily be Denver, BC, BU, Michigan, etc.

Here are the teams who ended our season in the NCAAs the past six trips:
Denver
BU
Denver
BU
Providence
BU

We do have to beat these teams if we ever want to win a national championship.

We can cope all we want, but it's very clear at this point that blue-chip recruits are far more likely to win you a national title than B-level recruits. If B-level recruits were better, then MSU would recruit them instead.

Remarking on the growing talent disparity is not "shitting on my team," it's just being realistic about the state of college hockey. I've said many times that I am bullish on our chances this year if our goaltending works out. No need for everyone to freak out and start pretending we have a better team than the 18-draft-pick juggernauts lurking in the Big 10.

Quote from: The Rancor on October 04, 2026, 02:40:29 PM

Quote from: BearLover on October 04, 2026, 01:09:37 AM

Quote from: Dafatone on October 03, 2026, 04:41:33 PM

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Let teams in other conferences take a lot of the blue chip prospects. We don't have to compete with MSU. We just have to win one game against them in the NCAAs if we run into them.

"MSU" is a stand-in for "blue blood who is recruiting ridiculous talent such that the gap between ours and theirs grows larger every year." MSU could just as easily be Denver, BC, BU, Michigan, etc.

Here are the teams who ended our season in the NCAAs the past six trips:
Denver
BU
Denver
BU
Providence
BU

We do have to beat these teams if we ever want to win a national championship.

We can cope all we want, but it's very clear at this point that blue-chip recruits are far more likely to win you a national title than B-level recruits. If B-level recruits were better, then MSU would recruit them instead.

Remarking on the growing talent disparity is not "shitting on my team," it's just being realistic about the state of college hockey. I've said many times that I am bullish on our chances this year if our goaltending works out. No need for everyone to freak out and start pretending we have a better team than the 18-draft-pick juggernauts lurking in the Big 10.

Completely nonsensical take. Our guys have been playing against their guys, in other leagues, and in our own, for years. They all made the cut, and are in the D1 dance.  They even scored goals, won games, and made highlight reels along the way. Our guys aren't scared, intimidated, or otherwise unprepared to face off against MSU, BU, Denver or any other team- and that's what you don't understand about sports, hockey or life.
Let's Go Red.

Quote from: The Rancor on October 04, 2026, 02:40:29 PM

Quote from: BearLover on October 04, 2026, 01:09:37 AM

Quote from: Dafatone on October 03, 2026, 04:41:33 PM

Quote from: BearLover on October 03, 2026, 12:01:54 AMMSU has 17 draft picks including 9 first rounders. Don't know how we're supposed to compete with that. The best players commit/transfer to the top conferences to play against better talent, which creates a vicious cycle of the top conferences perpetually improving and the weaker conferences perpetually getting worse. The CHL opening up to college exacerbated this. We unfortunately need to root for other ECAC teams to improve so that the conference profile improves somewhat.

Let teams in other conferences take a lot of the blue chip prospects. We don't have to compete with MSU. We just have to win one game against them in the NCAAs if we run into them.

"MSU" is a stand-in for "blue blood who is recruiting ridiculous talent such that the gap between ours and theirs grows larger every year." MSU could just as easily be Denver, BC, BU, Michigan, etc.

Here are the teams who ended our season in the NCAAs the past six trips:
Denver
BU
Denver
BU
Providence
BU

We do have to beat these teams if we ever want to win a national championship.

We can cope all we want, but it's very clear at this point that blue-chip recruits are far more likely to win you a national title than B-level recruits. If B-level recruits were better, then MSU would recruit them instead.

Remarking on the growing talent disparity is not "shitting on my team," it's just being realistic about the state of college hockey. I've said many times that I am bullish on our chances this year if our goaltending works out. No need for everyone to freak out and start pretending we have a better team than the 18-draft-pick juggernauts lurking in the Big 10.

Completely nonsensical take. Our guys have been playing against their guys, in other leagues, and in our own, for years. They all made the cut, and are in the D1 dance.  They even scored goals, won games, and made highlight reels along the way. Our guys aren't scared, intimidated, or otherwise unprepared to face off against MSU, BU, Denver or any other team- and that's what you don't understand about sports, hockey or life.
Let's Go Red.

Quote from: ursusminor on October 03, 2026, 02:03:50 PM

Quote from: marty on October 03, 2026, 07:46:08 AM

Quote from: Beeeej on October 02, 2026, 08:51:29 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 02, 2026, 08:31:35 PMRPI defeated Army 5-4 at West Point in a preseason game. Hat trick for Rainers Rullers.

Please, there's no such person.

It was a natural hat trick to tie the game at 3.

Believe that Olivers Murnieks took notice of Rainers.
 
Sveiks!

He scored goals 1, 3, and 4. Freshman Caleb Hadland scored the second and soph Matthew Buckley #5. Videos of all of them without sound are here: https://www.instagram.com/rpi_mhockey/?hl=en

FWIW, RPI football returned the 2nd-half kickoff to lead Hilbert College 62-0. I think that we solved a couple of Hilbert's problems. :)

Quote from: ursusminor on October 09, 2026, 09:18:58 PMRPI defeated OSU 3-0. IMO, the difference was in the goal.

SOG's were 36-20 in OSU's favor.

Quote from: marty on October 09, 2026, 09:43:13 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 09, 2026, 09:18:58 PMRPI defeated OSU 3-0. IMO, the difference was in the goal.

SOG's were 36-20 in OSU's favor.

Krawchuk stole the game. RPI's D was playing good positional hockey but their offense looked like a pee-wee team compared to TOSU. They couldn't advance the puck and lost the puck battles.  But TOSU couldn't score and Krawchuk didn't make a mistake all night that I could see.

Penalties were very lopsided against RPI including a major and game disqualification. 

This was a good start for them on their new ice. 

Quote from: marty on October 09, 2026, 09:43:13 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 09, 2026, 09:18:58 PMRPI defeated OSU 3-0. IMO, the difference was in the goal.

SOG's were 36-20 in OSU's favor.

Krawchuk stole the game. RPI's D was playing good positional hockey but their offense looked like a pee-wee team compared to TOSU. They couldn't advance the puck and lost the puck battles.  But TOSU couldn't score and Krawchuk didn't make a mistake all night that I could see.

Penalties were very lopsided against RPI including a major and game disqualification. 

This was a good start for them on their new ice. 

Quote from: Trotsky on October 10, 2026, 03:14:52 AMMore Tappers.  Can another Fusco be long in coming?

Quote from: Trotsky on October 10, 2026, 03:21:55 AMMichigan has already scored 21 goals.  They have a guy at 4-5-9.

Quote from: ursusminor on October 10, 2026, 05:24:17 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on October 10, 2026, 03:14:52 AMMore Tappers.  Can another Fusco be long in coming?

He's apparently not related to the earlier Tappers.

Quote from: Trotsky on October 10, 2026, 08:51:30 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 10, 2026, 05:24:17 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on October 10, 2026, 03:14:52 AMMore Tappers.  Can another Fusco be long in coming?

He's apparently not related to the earlier Tappers.

That's not possible.  I've heard of three Tappers, they're all RPI hockey players, and you're telling me this guy isn't related?

Nope.  I don't believe you.  He's even the right age to be offspring.

Quote from: Trotsky on October 10, 2026, 08:51:30 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 10, 2026, 05:24:17 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on October 10, 2026, 03:14:52 AMMore Tappers.  Can another Fusco be long in coming?

He's apparently not related to the earlier Tappers.

That's not possible.  I've heard of three Tappers, they're all RPI hockey players, and you're telling me this guy isn't related?

Nope.  I don't believe you.  He's even the right age to be offspring.

Quote from: ursusminor on October 10, 2026, 01:20:34 AM

Quote from: marty on October 09, 2026, 09:43:13 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 09, 2026, 09:18:58 PMRPI defeated OSU 3-0. IMO, the difference was in the goal.

SOG's were 36-20 in OSU's favor.

Krawchuk stole the game. RPI's D was playing good positional hockey but their offense looked like a pee-wee team compared to TOSU. They couldn't advance the puck and lost the puck battles.  But TOSU couldn't score and Krawchuk didn't make a mistake all night that I could see.

Penalties were very lopsided against RPI including a major and game disqualification. 

This was a good start for them on their new ice. 

I agree, but after 1st-line winger Jagger Tapper got a major and game misconduct, the lines got mixed up for the rest of the evening. He was mad for not having a penalty called against an OSU player earlier. I guess that is what happens to someone named for Mick Jagger. Actually, he is not like that usually. The 15 minutes he got credited for in this game was more than his total in two years.

Quote from: stereax on Today at 01:20:13 PMASU closing in on hiring Hakstol, currently an AC with the Avs.

Quote from: stereax on Today at 01:20:13 PMASU closing in on hiring Hakstol, currently an AC with the Avs.

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 06:05:03 PM

Quote from: stereax on Today at 01:20:13 PMASU closing in on hiring Hakstol, currently an AC with the Avs.

Apparently the Avs have just granted him permission to speak with ASU (i.e. his hiring is not imminent)? Seems like every time I see something about this story, it  contradicts previous reporting.