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QuoteMoney, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 06:37:09 PM

QuoteMoney, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

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2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 07:13:47 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 06:37:09 PM

QuoteMoney, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

Code Select Expand

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

The first 3 players on the list would have stayed but left because they thought they would have no eligibility left after the canceled COVID year. Tupker graduated in 3 years. Howe I don't think ever actually transferred out, he just put his name in the portal. Robertson and now Cournoyer are the first true non-seniors to jump.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 07:22:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 07:13:47 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 06:37:09 PM

QuoteMoney, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

Code Select Expand

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

The first 3 players on the list would have stayed but left because they thought they would have no eligibility left after the canceled COVID year. Tupker graduated in 3 years. Howe I don't think ever actually transferred out, he just put his name in the portal. Robertson and now Cournoyer are the first true non-seniors to jump.

I believe they could have applied for another year of eligibility but would have had to wait through all of yet another year.  I thought that was the whole anger with TPTB, that they dragged their feet on the policy and had they announced it up front then the players would have stayed with us?  But if they could never have returned I will strip them off. 

Tupker I had no idea, thanks!

If Howe stayed in school but dropped hockey that explains it and I'll scratch him too.  Good info, thank you.

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 07:26:28 PMI'm not sure how it worked exactly but those guys were all planning on coming back until COVID wiped out the year. Cam Donaldson is another in the same boat who wasn't on your list.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 08:09:23 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 07:26:28 PMI'm not sure how it worked exactly but those guys were all planning on coming back until COVID wiped out the year. Cam Donaldson is another in the same boat who wasn't on your list.

This is how I remember it.  I could be wrong.  The Ivy League eventually announced guys who stayed in school for four years but missed out on playing one of them, could be granted a fifth year of academic eligibility to complete their fourth year of athletic eligibility, even if that meant they were grad students and would otherwise run afoul of the Ivy's cynical and stupid No Grad Students academic integrity theater.

But.  They sat with their thumb in their ass for almost 18 months before they announced that.  Meanwhile, Regush, Galajda, Donaldson, and Leahy had no idea whether they would get fucked out of a year of eligibility, and Schafer actively encouraged them to transfer if they had an opportunity because nobody should ever trust the Ivies to not shoot themselves and others in the dick.

So they left.  And eventually the Ivies pulled out of the crying underage parlor maid for long enough to issue the decree that would have saved our four heroes.  I leave restitution as an exercise for the reader.

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Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 14, 2026, 07:58:10 PMI was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 14, 2026, 07:49:13 PMI've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
     Ben Robertson leaving last year hit men hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 09:33:54 PM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 14, 2026, 07:49:13 PMI've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
    Ben Robertson leaving last year hit men hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

Robertson probably fucked up.

If we become a farm team for the blue bloods I'll just stop watching completely

Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 09:26:13 PM

Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 14, 2026, 07:58:10 PMI was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 15, 2026, 12:33:09 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 09:26:13 PM

Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 14, 2026, 07:58:10 PMI was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Can the Ivies regulate NIL shenanigans though?  I know the ivies opted out of the settlement that is supposed to establish a ~$20m salary cap, but given the current state of college athletics and the law how can the Ivies restrict "external" NIL agreements?

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:13:25 AMThree years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:13:25 AMThree years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:00:14 AMSo is it correct then that if, with my 200 billion dollars from acts I no longer wish to recall, I want to buy us players, I have to do it via some sort of front organization affiliated with the university?  The financial analog of the University of Tennessee Orange Pride hostesses?

I can't bribe the kid personally, I have to bribe him via an LLC?

• The Ivy League put out a directive that the schools themselves cannot organize NIL payments. Though NIL collectives are third-party vehicles, they usually work closely with coaches and athletic departments to raise money and divvy up payouts. In the Ivy League, this is forbidden. The Ivy League is the only league in America that does not permit its schools/ADs/coaches to organize paying its players.
• The Ivy League opted out of revenue sharing. So schools cannot pay players directly.
• The Ivy League is the only league in America that does not afford eligibility to graduate students. When the new 5-year eligibility model soon gets approved, all other schools will be able to keep their best players 5 years and bring in graduate transfers, further disadvantaging the Ivies.

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:33:33 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:13:25 AMThree years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

If you put it that way, sure - but Robertson proved to be pretty damn replaceable. I'd wager Veilleux is better than him. Even if he weren't, that's one d-men out of six on your roster. You can, and should be able to, cover for that. That's why you roster 8 or 9 d-men in the first place.

There's only one goalie in net. That's a much harder position to replace - especially if you're only aware of it in, say, February or March. Plus, landing Cournoyer was seen as a HUGE get by the team, both because of his credentials (draft pick!) as well as his talent. You could argue Cornell "took a chance" on the kid who played a total of what, 20 QMJHL games? And is getting "burned" for it, in your words, BL. You don't roster more than one starting goaltender as a general rule - the rest of your goalies are backups or practice guys.

Also, guys transferring after their freshman year feels pretty unheard-of, for Cornell.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:39:25 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:33:33 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:13:25 AMThree years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

If you put it that way, sure - but Robertson proved to be pretty damn replaceable. I'd wager Veilleux is better than him. Even if he weren't, that's one d-men out of six on your roster. You can, and should be able to, cover for that. That's why you roster 8 or 9 d-men in the first place.

There's only one goalie in net. That's a much harder position to replace - especially if you're only aware of it in, say, February or March. Plus, landing Cournoyer was seen as a HUGE get by the team, both because of his credentials (draft pick!) as well as his talent. You could argue Cornell "took a chance" on the kid who played a total of what, 20 QMJHL games? And is getting "burned" for it, in your words, BL. You don't roster more than one starting goaltender as a general rule - the rest of your goalies are backups or practice guys.

Also, guys transferring after their freshman year feels pretty unheard-of, for Cornell.

Guys transferring out at all is pretty unheard of at Cornell, until now.

What you said is true but like I said back when the Robertson transfer happened, I was worried as much about what it meant for the future as I was about Robertson specifically. So we lost our best returning defenseman last year, we lose (at least) our starting goalie this year, and maybe next year we lose two of our best forwards. To me, that's all the same--our best players deciding that personal success and a winning culture isn't enough. If that's not enough, then Cornell doesn't stand a chance.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:45:16 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:49:38 AM

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Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

I wasn't. (Luckily, it seems.) But Q's entire shtick is pulling shit out of their asses with transfers and the like. How many of those 5th-year players were core contributors?

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:56:31 AM

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:45:16 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

I wasn't. (Luckily, it seems.) But Q's entire shtick is pulling shit out of their asses with transfers and the like. How many of those 5th-year players were core contributors?

See for yourself: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team/Quinnipiac/47/overall,20222023

Quote from: Pghas on April 15, 2026, 08:56:51 AMFuck.

Twitter verse has him headed to Wisconsin.

Quote from: Pghas on April 15, 2026, 08:56:51 AMFuck.

Twitter verse has him headed to Wisconsin.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

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Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 09:26:13 PM

Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 14, 2026, 07:58:10 PMI was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Can the Ivies regulate NIL shenanigans though?  I know the ivies opted out of the settlement that is supposed to establish a ~$20m salary cap, but given the current state of college athletics and the law how can the Ivies restrict "external" NIL agreements?

The Ivies restrict most forms of NIL based off Ivy elitism bullshit. Hence the thing with Penn basketball that they're putting the kids into high-paying internships as essentially a proxy to get them money. That seems to be the predominant way for Ivy athletes to get money without running into Ivy elitism bullshit rules - rumor has it on the forums that Schafer was working on something to that extent as well.

Also, NIL, while short for Name-Image-Likeness, isn't necessarily "paying the player to sponsor stuff" like you'd think it is. At this point it's basically a catchall for "any way a university can pay a player". Again - think the McKenna, Martone, etc deals. Guys like Robertson aren't actually being paid for their Name, Image, or Likeness anywhere, as far as I'm aware.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 09:36:00 AMpoaching players from other teams.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 09:47:44 AMQuentin Miller, though intriguing, is likely a guy looking for a big place for 1 year, before going pro. So that may not be a good idea.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

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Quote from: Snowball on April 15, 2026, 09:12:37 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 11:00:13 AMIf I squint, things are the same so I'm going to argue that they are the same. How come you aren't treating them like they're the same? I see you've pointed out differnces that matter to you but what if I counter that those aren't differences and repeat myself?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

That's true - perhaps he got started earlier due to the coaching change. Or perhaps I'm just wrong. Either way, I do know transferring is more involved at the Ivies.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:58:03 AMHighly doubt we're competitive for Quentin Mille and at this point I'm not even sure we want to play this game...

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

That's true - perhaps he got started earlier due to the coaching change. Or perhaps I'm just wrong. Either way, I do know transferring is more involved at the Ivies.

That's fair, yeah. I suspect it's a bidding war that's at the root of the "delay", but I might be wrong too, lol.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:58:03 AMHighly doubt we're competitive for Quentin Mille and at this point I'm not even sure we want to play this game...

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:53:48 AM

Quote from: Snowball on April 15, 2026, 09:12:37 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

well for one thing, Cornell does already admit the top recruits into the Dyson undergraduate business school which is the toughest one to get into and puts them on the fast track to said great internships and long term financial success.  But when that is put up against the possibility of an NHL career, even that isn't great.  Still, the vast vast majority of NCAA players will not become impact players or even players at all in the NHL.  So you have to take the "one and done" like basketball does and also keep an eye on players whose developmental arc seems to sync up with an NCAA career.  That said, the players who could have NHL careers are going to be the ones that get you the best chance of winning.  Dartmouth has already announced that Cleaves, Stavroff and their top D and goalie are coming back next year.  Pretty sure they were all undrafted and will benefit Fromm another NCAA year, and that its not a loyalty to Dartmouth while the NHL is knocking at the door thing.

Think summer recruiting visits to my buddy's house on Cayuga would help?

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Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 11:10:06 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

That's true - perhaps he got started earlier due to the coaching change. Or perhaps I'm just wrong. Either way, I do know transferring is more involved at the Ivies.

That's fair, yeah. I suspect it's a bidding war that's at the root of the "delay", but I might be wrong too, lol.

I don't see why him being in or out of the portal would affect a bidding war, if one exists.

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 11:19:34 AMTwo other goalies in the transfer portal that might be worth taking a look at:

Teagan Kendrick, Sacred Heart (Fr) - 20 GP, .920 sv%, +7.44 GSAx
Petter Wickström Stumer, Canisius (So) - 12 GP, .921 sv%, +7.19 GSAx

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:36:37 AM

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:53:48 AM

Quote from: Snowball on April 15, 2026, 09:12:37 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

I'm not expecting you to reveal your sources, but to my knowledge, the times Casey and Schafer have spoken about this, it's mostly been passing references in internal meetings with program boosters. In practice, it seems hard to pull off - you'd need (1) rich boosters (2) with the authority and desire to hire Cornell hockey players and (3) the ability to guarantee them a high salary for a summer internship. That's why I'm curious how Penn basketball is doing it, if they even are.

Quote from: scoop85 on April 15, 2026, 01:47:55 PMCoincidence or not, here's Cornell's launch of an NIL initiative:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2026/4/15/baseball-athletics-launches-big-red-exchange-to-connect-student-athletes-and-businesses-for-nil-opportunities.aspx

Quote from: scoop85 on April 15, 2026, 01:47:55 PMCoincidence or not, here's Cornell's launch of an NIL initiative:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2026/4/15/baseball-athletics-launches-big-red-exchange-to-connect-student-athletes-and-businesses-for-nil-opportunities.aspx

"Big Red Exchange also integrates secure payment processing, enabling businesses to compensate student-athletes directly within the platform. The system automatically generates IRS 1099 forms within each student-athlete's Influencer app, simplifying compliance and tax reporting."

Quote from: Beeeej on April 15, 2026, 02:10:09 PMBut why is Cournoyer in there?

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

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Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 11:00:13 AMIf I squint, things are the same so I'm going to argue that they are the same. How come you aren't treating them like they're the same? I see you've pointed out differnces that matter to you but what if I counter that those aren't differences and repeat myself?

I assume you're subtweeting me but I think it's pretty clear that two of our best players fleeing a winning program to go to the Big 10 in consecutive years are similar in numerous important ways and that this completely new development in the history of Cornell hockey is looking more like the start of a trend.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

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Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

The thing is, Cornell has a lot of pretty rich alumni, many of whom like Cornell hockey. Hell, didn't Gary Fucking Bettman donate to renovate Lynah? I'm sure people will be found.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 03:22:05 PMHypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 15, 2026, 03:20:13 PMWe are trying to do things the right way. Hopefully all the blue blood schools are on the "up and up" also. We are always in a fist fight but we wear handcuffs.
  Pretty soon the usher at Lynah will be passing a plate  down the rows like church.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

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Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

The thing is, Cornell has a lot of pretty rich alumni, many of whom like Cornell hockey. Hell, didn't Gary Fucking Bettman donate to renovate Lynah? I'm sure people will be found.

It's one thing to get a one-time donation from Gary Bettman to contribute towards renovating Lynah, but it's quite another thing to convince Gary Bettman to donate tens of thousands of dollars every season to paying Cornell players. I imagine Gary Bettman spends little to no time thinking about Cornell Hockey.

That's problem #1: finding rich people willing to contribute continuously without donor fatigue.

Problem #2 is satisfying Ivy and NCAA rules regarding legitimate NIL. All payments over $600 are subject to NIL clearinghouse approval that the payment is for a "valid business purpose" commensurate with the payout. The Ivy rules against pay-for-play are probably even more onerous. The Ivies must approve any that any NIL deal above $2,000, and I'm sure they'll be looking at these harder than the clearinghouse.

Problem #3 is coordination. Here again the Ivy League has gotten in the way: "The eight Ivy athletic departments will begin signing attestations of independence for payments to athletes over $2,000 for an athlete's name, image, and likeness. An attestation of independence, in this context, is a signed document that claims that a NIL deal with an outside donor was not brokered by the signing institution's athletic department in any way." So it seems the Cornell athletic department and coaches can't "broker" NIL deals. It's not entire clear what "broker" means - can Casey hook a Cornell player up with a finance CEO, who herself brokers a deal? Or would any involvement by Casey whatsoever run afoul of this rule?

Hypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 03:22:05 PMHypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Again, that's only true if there's someone else who can and will pay the money which you keep declining to believe unless adam responds to your document subpoena.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

The thing is, Cornell has a lot of pretty rich alumni, many of whom like Cornell hockey. Hell, didn't Gary Fucking Bettman donate to renovate Lynah? I'm sure people will be found.

It's one thing to get a one-time donation from Gary Bettman to contribute towards renovating Lynah, but it's quite another thing to convince Gary Bettman to donate tens of thousands of dollars every season to paying Cornell players. I imagine Gary Bettman spends little to no time thinking about Cornell Hockey.

That's problem #1: finding rich people willing to contribute continuously without donor fatigue.

Problem #2 is satisfying Ivy and NCAA rules regarding legitimate NIL. All payments over $600 are subject to NIL clearinghouse approval that the payment is for a "valid business purpose" commensurate with the payout. The Ivy rules against pay-for-play are probably even more onerous. The Ivies must approve any that any NIL deal above $2,000, and I'm sure they'll be looking at these harder than the clearinghouse.

Problem #3 is coordination. Here again the Ivy League has gotten in the way: "The eight Ivy athletic departments will begin signing attestations of independence for payments to athletes over $2,000 for an athlete's name, image, and likeness. An attestation of independence, in this context, is a signed document that claims that a NIL deal with an outside donor was not brokered by the signing institution's athletic department in any way." So it seems the Cornell athletic department and coaches can't "broker" NIL deals. It's not entire clear what "broker" means - can Casey hook a Cornell player up with a finance CEO, who herself brokers a deal? Or would any involvement by Casey whatsoever run afoul of this rule?

Hypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Is this $50,000/season or once?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

It also breaks the connection between the students and the players.  The idea of college sports was "One of Us."  If it's just hired guns like Kentucky basketball, why would anybody care?  It would be like rooting for the endowment.

Quote from: Pghas on April 15, 2026, 11:17:36 AMThink summer recruiting visits to my buddy's house on Cayuga would help?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

It also breaks the connection between the students and the players.  The idea of college sports was "One of Us."  If it's just hired guns like Kentucky basketball, why would anybody care?  It would be like rooting for the endowment.

I completely agree with this. It is the consequence of the end of amateurism.

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Quote from: Snowball on April 15, 2026, 09:12:37 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

It also breaks the connection between the students and the players.  The idea of college sports was "One of Us."  If it's just hired guns like Kentucky basketball, why would anybody care?  It would be like rooting for the endowment.

I completely agree with this. It is the consequence of the end of amateurism.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

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Quote from: Bluelightning on April 14, 2026, 07:49:13 PMI've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
    Ben Robertson leaving last year hit men hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

Robertson probably fucked up.

If we become a farm team for the blue bloods I'll just stop watching completely

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

Finance interns don't get paid by the hour, right? If BigLaw is $40K for the summer I'd be surprised if a job at one of the big banks is less than half of that.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

Finance interns don't get paid by the hour, right? If BigLaw is $40K for the summer I'd be surprised if a job at one of the big banks is less than half of that.

No idea, I'm just going off what I see on Google.

Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

Connection to the school side, you can't seriously assert that the fan passion for d3 sports is comparable to d1. 

There are outliers, but generally d3 sports are not well attended or supported by the student body.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

Connection to the school side, you can't seriously assert that the fan passion for d3 sports is comparable to d1. 

There are outliers, but generally d3 sports are not well attended or supported by the student body.

The 50,000 that show up every other year for Ithaca-Cortland football at Yankee Stadium would disagree.

I would say that it's well supported on a relative scale. No one is showing up for D-I Wisconsin field hockey either (sorry Jane). Most D-III schools are smaller in the first place.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes as "athletes rights" because of the dislocation after the old rancid system collapsed than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes because of the dislocation than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

You make more than that as a waiter in Nantucket or The Hamptons in the summer.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes as "athletes rights" because of the dislocation after the old rancid system collapsed than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

The explotation was ethically dubious, but I believe it was better for everybody except the athletes.  The free market doesn't arrive at the best results.  Take a look at this country...

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes as "athletes rights" because of the dislocation after the old rancid system collapsed than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

The explotation was ethically dubious, but I believe it was better for everybody except the athletes.  The free market doesn't arrive at the best results.  Take a look at this country...

It's actually worse for the vast majority of athletes. It's mostly just better for the top 1% of football and men's basketball players.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

Connection to the school side, you can't seriously assert that the fan passion for d3 sports is comparable to d1. 

There are outliers, but generally d3 sports are not well attended or supported by the student body.

The 50,000 that show up every other year for Ithaca-Cortland football at Yankee Stadium would disagree.

I would say that it's well supported on a relative scale. No one is showing up for D-I Wisconsin field hockey either (sorry Jane). Most D-III schools are smaller in the first place.

What is the average regular season game attendance?

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New recruit from WHL

Does that say 49 points in 27 games???

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New recruit from WHL

Does that say 49 points in 27 games???

Perhaps it got corrected, but it now says 49 points in 67 games.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

Quote from: Pghas on April 16, 2026, 08:34:48 AMI'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand. But the truth is the transfer portal was really set up so the kids who were recruited and signed in attending university and then don't get the kind of ice opportunity that they want can seek that opportunity, not for people to seek upward mobility within the system, which theoretically really shouldn't work. But Browne is losing one of their best players to Dartmouth. That's kind of a shitty thing. It makes you wonder if people's commitment needs to be longer than it is unless they're not given an opportunity or ice time.

Maybe they come up with a system where the coach submits a list of 10 or 15 names, probably closer to 10, of kids who are protected and can't enter the transfer portal. That way the top players on every team can't be poached away by other top teams. Otherwise what you're gonna have is a real imbalance of power in the system is really gonna fall apart. And that is not the way this is supposed to work. Coaches are supposed to recruit before kids start college, not during college be able to fill them away. If we're gonna run it like pro sports, then let's run it like pro sports. No fair everybody being a hired gun year to year.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

I doubt anyone here actually knows the answer to this, but is Silverstein academically qualified for Cornell?  Attending Q makes me question this, even with some of the breaks given to athletes here sometimes.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

I doubt anyone here actually knows the answer to this, but is Silverstein academically qualified for Cornell?  Attending Q makes me question this, even with some of the breaks given to athletes here sometimes.

Most schools in this country that play D-1 hockey are the same academic caliber as Quinnipiac.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

I doubt anyone here actually knows the answer to this, but is Silverstein academically qualified for Cornell?  Attending Q makes me question this, even with some of the breaks given to athletes here sometimes.

Most schools in this country that play D-1 hockey are the same academic caliber as Quinnipiac.

Cornell is not most schools.

Quote from: Pghas on April 16, 2026, 08:34:48 AMI'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand.

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Quote from: Pghas on April 16, 2026, 08:34:48 AMI'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand.

This, 100% agree. You get it.

We'll find our new Mr. Goaltender, and Courns aint it. Perhaps he goes on to a great career. He's probably a good kid. I wish him luck, but, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I will pop a bottle of champagne when his team is eliminated next season, and it will be something good when Cornell is still alive.
He should, IMO, stay here. But he's not, so Bon Voyage, Peewee. Everyone on this board was stoked (and speculating) to see what Roest was going to bring to the table 3 seasons ago. I feel a little bad for Keopple. That's sports, though.
And FWIW- Courns isn't even in the top 40 of Cornell Goaltenders for single season shutouts. Except that one came against Harvard, so kudos for that.  He never took over a game. He never stood solid while I cringed and gasped and clenched my toes only to see the puck swallowed by his mitt. He played well enough. Looking forward to who's next.

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Quote from: Pghas on April 16, 2026, 08:34:48 AMI'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand.

This, 100% agree. You get it.

We'll find our new Mr. Goaltender, and Courns aint it. Perhaps he goes on to a great career. He's probably a good kid. I wish him luck, but, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I will pop a bottle of champagne when his team is eliminated next season, and it will be something good when Cornell is still alive.
He should, IMO, stay here. But he's not, so Bon Voyage, Peewee. Everyone on this board was stoked (and speculating) to see what Roest was going to bring to the table 3 seasons ago. I feel a little bad for Keopple. That's sports, though.
And FWIW- Courns isn't even in the top 40 of Cornell Goaltenders for single season shutouts. Except that one came against Harvard, so kudos for that.  He never took over a game. He never stood solid while I cringed and gasped and clenched my toes only to see the puck swallowed by his mitt. He played well enough. Looking forward to who's next.

I think I said this before - but Courns was effectively League Average for most of his time here. A friend and I were running the numbers, and, as per him (I didn't fact check this in depth but I absolutely believe it):

After Courns's "hot start" and first 7 games (so from Red Hot on), his sv% for the rest of the season was sub-.900, putting him around #80 for all college goalies.

After those 7 games, his 10-game rolling average sv% was never above .913, which is good for maybe #40 for college goalies.

And, in his words, "You saw Shane's shitty season - which was still better than Courns's last 20 games."

I dunno if it was stress, fatigue, or what - maybe Casey knew something we didn't when he was platooning Keopple and Courns. But the point stands that after November, Cournoyer's numbers were actually pretty pedestrian. (And, unlike a guy like Yegorov, you can't point to a hot mess on D as being part of the culprit.)

So literally all we need is someone league average to be competitive for the ECAC and secure an NCAA playoff berth. We don't even need a guy who can make the tough saves. Just league average.

Problem is, are Roest or Katz going to be the answer, even temporarily, or are we going to find someone else?

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 05:32:59 PMIf athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMI have argued over and over (not that anyone important cares or is listening to me) that all of the "athletes rights" advocates have no idea what hellscape they unleashed. Killing the goose that lays the golden egg comes is an obvious phrase that comes to mind.

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For those that say the ideals would still work in D-III ... How is D-III any different than D-I in terms of athletes rights? They "work" the same amount of hours, under direct supervision. This fits the definition of an employee according to many. Should D-III have to pay their athletes minimum wage? That may happen one day. If so, goodbye D-III sports as well. Same goes for the Olympic D-I sports.

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Fans of "athletes rights" should've thought long and hard about the consequences. They ignored them all. They are greedy just like the colleges were in taking the big TV deals and paying coaches $10 million/year.  For the benefit of 1% (maybe) - they have screwed, in the long run, hundreds of thousands of student-athletes, and their fans.

If it's not college sports, a lot of people won't care - for all the reasons everyone articulated. It will survive for a while on the fact that some people just want to see their team win. But even then, it will be no different than pro sports, and many will say "well, if I want that, I'll just watch pro sports" and peel away ...

But at least if Armageddon is around the corner, I know I'll have a College Hockey News exit strategy.

Quote from: ugarte on April 16, 2026, 10:48:49 AMThe athletes, who schools value, should be able to get their worth in the market of the college sports business. Full stop. College football is a money machine as are some other sports to varying degrees in fewer locations. The accounting on all of it is, as everyone knows, janky as hell - on purpose. Those of us who advocated to pay the players knew exactly what we were asking for.

The difference between D-I and D-III isn't that there is less work to playing sports but there is less of a pie to be distributed. There is not the kind of market for Division III volleyball players that would be converted to a bidding war. It is borderline unfathomable to have read - in the wake of the massive tv contracts that led to bloated coaches' salaries and team training facilities built to compete with Versailles - that the players were being "equally greedy" for demanding to be cut in on the spoils. You can tell me that the players should back off when football stops piling so much money on glitz promoted as in-kind benefits. Just write a check.

College sports becoming "just pro sports but worse" or canonizing the student-athlete are arguments that the colleges themselves have been making in bad faith for decades. As I'm sure you know, student-athlete was a lawyer-invented nomenclature specifically designed to make the charnel house of college football exempt from workers' compensation obligations. It did so despite the quite open mercenary acquisition of ringers. Adding a layer of schmaltz by acting as if those football players are students just like we were and we root for them as fellow students ignores just how much of college sports fandom is driven by proximity, not by alumni. Alabama sports fans don't have a local pro team to root for. The Crimson Tide are the local pro team.

I'm glad you have an exit strategy from CHN because I fear your material interest in the ongoing vitality of college sports is clouding your judgment on who gets to pick the winners and losers and why they should.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes because of the dislocation than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

Honestly I'm inclined to agree - I don't think athletes being compensated IN A VACUUM is the issue here and indeed I'd argue they should be, because that training, obligations, and all of it is a job in and of itself - and at the Ivies, they currently get no real compensation for doing that, not even scholarship.

I think the issue arises when you start entering the Bidding Wars, though. Because yes, you can argue for a fully free market where players are "paid what they're worth", but that will, imo, lead to a free agency system that's going to destroy the concept of a college athlete as someone who goes to school, partakes in the school community and also participates in athletics. At some point, you just have a hired gun system. But on the other hand, if a McKenna is "worth" 700k to a program, why should they be disallowed from paying him that amount?

No idea how to square the circle here. That's why I'm not in charge of doing it!

Quote from: ugarte on April 16, 2026, 10:48:49 AMI'm glad you have an exit strategy from CHN because I fear your material interest in the ongoing vitality of college sports is clouding your judgment on who gets to pick the winners and losers and why they should.

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Well sorry, but I actually typed four "?"  and somehow that emoji auto inserted, so I don't even know what

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When I chose it above it inserted 3 question marks - meaning I assume "what?"

More posters should consider using it - sorry stereax.

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Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 06:14:26 PMSidenote - the ? ? ? -> ??? emoji pisses me off

Well sorry, but I actually typed four "?"  and somehow that emoji auto inserted, so I don't even know what

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means. Please tell me.

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When I chose it above it inserted 3 question marks - meaning I assume "what?"

More posters should consider using it - sorry stereax.

It's a good emoji! Just the keybind pisses me off, because I can't be like "THEY'RE CHALLENGING IT???" without the emoji showing up.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 17, 2026, 10:32:45 AMMust almost be summer at eLF.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 16, 2026, 10:48:49 AMI'm glad you have an exit strategy from CHN because I fear your material interest in the ongoing vitality of college sports is clouding your judgment on who gets to pick the winners and losers and why they should.

What?????

That feels like shooting the messenger. Adam has spent a lot of time walking us through what these changes mean for college hockey. You can disagree, but reducing it to self-interest is unfair.

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 02:23:44 PMI wish him all the worst

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 02:00:49 PMNow that he is officially gone, I will say that it is my suspicion that Cournoyer was one of the worst students to ever don a Cornell uniform.

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Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 02:23:44 PMI wish him all the worst

careful, if you say stuff like this a bunch of folks on here are going to stalk your elynah posts for the next 15 years

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Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 02:23:44 PMI wish him all the worst

careful, if you say stuff like this a bunch of folks on here are going to stalk your elynah posts for the next 15 years

ngl I thought this courn guy was the start of something beautiful akin to dryden but man it sucks. I hope the McNally report shows some kind of academic struggle or financial issues having forced him to look elsewhere (I doubt any of these could have been the cause though).

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

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Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Does he like apples? I'll take the man to Applefest myself if it seals the deal 😂

Quote from: ugarte on April 17, 2026, 11:29:23 AM1. He's a big boy, he can handle criticism.
2. I don't think I reduced it to self-interest.
3. @adamw is incorrect about the meaning of Dartmouth's unionization effort. There was not a judicial ruling that the players were employees; there was a 2024 ruling by an NLRB regional office recognizing the bargaining unit. Dartmouth did not accept that decision and was refusing to bargain. Dartmouth's actions were setting up an unfair labor practice hearing backstopped by a battle in federal court if they lost. This isn't nitpicking, it's a significant difference. The case wasn't likely to get to federal court. The NLRB didn't get a quorum until December 2025 and once it had a quorum a Trump NLRB was never going to uphold that decision. Dartmouth's players knew it and withdrew their attempt to unionize.

We are a very, very long way from the Amherst shortstop being considered a school employee.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 17, 2026, 11:29:23 AM1. He's a big boy, he can handle criticism.
2. I don't think I reduced it to self-interest.
3. @adamw is incorrect about the meaning of Dartmouth's unionization effort. There was not a judicial ruling that the players were employees; there was a 2024 ruling by an NLRB regional office recognizing the bargaining unit. Dartmouth did not accept that decision and was refusing to bargain. Dartmouth's actions were setting up an unfair labor practice hearing backstopped by a battle in federal court if they lost. This isn't nitpicking, it's a significant difference. The case wasn't likely to get to federal court. The NLRB didn't get a quorum until December 2025 and once it had a quorum a Trump NLRB was never going to uphold that decision. Dartmouth's players knew it and withdrew their attempt to unionize.

We are a very, very long way from the Amherst shortstop being considered a school employee.

Yes, I get called an idiot 5 times a day on twitter - so I'll be fine.

It may have been an NLRB regional director, not a judge -- but the point is that the person put out a ruling where it specifically obliterated the rationale that athletes are not employees just because they are in non-revenue sports. That's the point I was alluding to. Because I don't believe threading the needle will be possible. I will try to find it.

QuoteLike the graduate student research assistants and teaching assistants in Columbia University, and like the football players in Northwestern University, the basketball players at issue here perform work which benefits Dartmouth. While there is some factual dispute as to how much revenue is generated by the men's basketball program, and whether that program is profitable, the profitability of any given business does not affect the employee status of the individuals who perform work for that business.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Does he like apples? I'll take the man to Applefest myself if it seals the deal 😂

What the hell is Applefest?  We used to hit the Cornell Apple Store or whatever it was called on our trips to Ithaca.  After that shut down I wished Cornell apples nothing but the worst.  I hoped they all rotted on the trees and that the ones that fell to the ground fed the famous Lacus faber apis.

I loved the apples from Cornell but now they are nothing but vinegar to me.

Quote from: adamw on April 17, 2026, 04:09:21 PMI don't believe this is as far away from a likelihood as ugarte does. All it would take is a different president.

Quote from: BearLoverUnfortunately I doubt McNally is really going to dig into what happened, the Sun's sports coverage never wants to rock the boat but it would be great to at least get Casey on record.

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Quote from: stereax on April 17, 2026, 08:45:38 PMNo, but what the fuck does he mean by next level??? Did he watch that stupid McKenna Hobey video on loop and get convinced that the ECAC isn't real NCAA hockey?

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 09:17:38 PMhttps://x.com/russbites/status/2045298327080612033?s=20

Will karma bite us?

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Here friends, may Paywalls never bother you again:


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Quote from: Trotsky on April 17, 2026, 10:51:15 PMThe portal window was 15 days, right?  Does that mean Walsh will not go to the portal, meaning we could still lose him to the pros but not another school?

Quote from: stereax on April 17, 2026, 11:16:03 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 17, 2026, 10:51:15 PMThe portal window was 15 days, right?  Does that mean Walsh will not go to the portal, meaning we could still lose him to the pros but not another school?

I think the portal is still open until April 27th.

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Quote from: RichH on April 17, 2026, 11:21:48 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

But hey, that argument that we want the ECAC to be a weak conference sure holds up.

Quote from: stereaxsomehow i doubt the sole reason he went to wisconsin was a "new level". although that's ASSHOLISH to say!

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 10:09:21 AMI thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:09:05 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 10:09:21 AMI thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:11:26 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:09:05 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 10:09:21 AMI thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

I said more were coming - you said I was crazy - but somehow you're vindicated. LOL. (just teasing on this one - let's not get into 20 messages of arguments.)

I don't think they're done.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:11:26 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:09:05 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 10:09:21 AMI thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

I said more were coming - you said I was crazy - but somehow you're vindicated. LOL. (just teasing on this one - let's not get into 20 messages of arguments.)

I don't think they're done.

Quote from: chimpfood on April 18, 2026, 12:36:13 AMGood thing we got Zadvernyuk, we needed a center bad. Hes probably our 3C next year if Walsh stays. This does make for a crowded roster but I wouldn't be surprised to see guys like Wehman, Hughes or Armstrong sent back for a last year of juniors for that reason. We could even send Dec back but I think he'll be a really valuable piece next year.

Quote from: andyw2100 on April 17, 2026, 07:51:12 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Next level? That's classy.

I say good riddance. I hope he winds up riding the pine at Wisconsin. He can feel good opening and closing the door for his new level of teammates.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Quote from: andyw2100 on April 18, 2026, 12:55:38 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

I think Cournoyer is taking a huge risk for potentially little reward.

Best case scenario he beats out Hauser for the starting spot, and winds up starting for a team that may be marginally better than Cornell, with a marginally higher profile, in a marginally better league.

Worst case scenario Wisconsin figures out that "it was the system" at Cornell, decides Hauser is actually stronger, and Cournoyer sits most of the year, waiting to transfer again.

I think objectively it was a bad move on his part.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:02:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:01:01 AM

Quote from: andyw2100 on April 18, 2026, 12:55:38 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

I think Cournoyer is taking a huge risk for potentially little reward.

Best case scenario he beats out Hauser for the starting spot, and winds up starting for a team that may be marginally better than Cornell, with a marginally higher profile, in a marginally better league.

Worst case scenario Wisconsin figures out that "it was the system" at Cornell, decides Hauser is actually stronger, and Cournoyer sits most of the year, waiting to transfer again.

I think objectively it was a bad move on his part.

The thing is, I don't even know if Wisconsin is better than Cornell or if they just went on a 24-25 March Big Red Linsanity run!

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:03:50 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:02:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:05:06 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:03:50 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:02:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:05:06 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:03:50 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:02:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

Quote from: chimpfood on April 18, 2026, 01:09:15 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

Looks like he's spent 3 years in college, so him coming here would require him to be willing to take an extra year before graduation because you can't transfer that many credits to Cornell and graduate in 1. Started at BC so may well have the academics for it, but seems unlikely that he'd want to push graduation back, especially if he has pro aspirations.

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Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:02:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

We're trying to win the most games possible though. Yes, we can field a reasonable team with a league average goalie, but we want to make the NCAAs. We need someone better than that. I believe Ivies cannot take transfers with only one year of eligibility remaining, so that limits our options further.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:13:15 AMAt this point, our best bet is probably to tamper with a goalie who isn't in the portal yet.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 17, 2026, 10:51:15 PMThe portal window was 15 days, right?  Does that mean Walsh will not go to the portal, meaning we could still lose him to the pros but not another school?

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:11:46 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:07:18 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:05:06 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:03:50 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:02:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

We're trying to win the most games possible though. Yes, we can field a reasonable team with a league average goalie, but we want to make the NCAAs. We need someone better than that. I believe Ivies cannot take transfers with only one year of eligibility remaining, so that limits our options further.

Okay, find me a good goalie in the portal. You yourself just said the best we might have is Silverstein. (Who isn't even an option, as we figured out above.) It's VERY slim pickings. But you need A guy, unless you have some unfounded faith in Roest or Katz, both of whom I'm pretty sure were expecting to finish their college careers as backups.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 18, 2026, 06:09:46 AMI also have looked at stats of our 2 current goalies trying to find a shimmer of hope. I know stats really don't mean anything at all when it involves kids. Neither Roest or Katz have much to get excited about. However I looked at Ian Shane's stats pre-Cornell and I would have said he would have been lucky to dress for Cornell. Good thing I'm not in charge.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 18, 2026, 06:09:46 AMI also have looked at stats of our 2 current goalies trying to find a shimmer of hope. I know stats really don't mean anything at all when it involves kids. Neither Roest or Katz have much to get excited about. However I looked at Ian Shane's stats pre-Cornell and I would have said he would have been lucky to dress for Cornell. Good thing I'm not in charge.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:52:18 AMI'm glad people are finding reasons to root against players who quit on Cornell, but I wouldn't read too much into Cournoyer's "next level" comment. That's just gobbledygook. Something happened at Cornell that led him to ditch - my guess, he was struggling academically and didn't want to deal with being a serious student anymore. Yes, playing in the Big10 is nice, Wisconsin's facilities are nice, NIL (whatever it may be) is probably nice. But look at the many good players Cornell has, Harvard has, Dartmouth has. How many are transferring out? Just one: Cournoyer. The one* singular guy who transferred out of the Ivy League is the one who committed as a CHL late-bloomer. That's no coincidence.

*other than like one Brown guy to Northeastern after a coaching change

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:03:50 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 01:02:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:59:56 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

Quote from: arugula on April 18, 2026, 09:14:55 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:59:56 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

How does anyone know that Roest/Katz cannot be replacement level.  Np one has seen them play. Recall Shane was a third string guy who got thrown in because Schaf was dissatisfied with Howe/MacDonald and boom he beats UND twice.  Maybe it is the system. 

Besides, how do you know they're both wonderful individuals?

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:25:17 AMIf anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:25:17 AMIf anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Quote from: Trotsky on April 18, 2026, 02:56:37 AMAnother possibility.  Say we were down to the wire recruiting a goalie who is incoming in September 2026, but he chose elsewhere worried he would be stuck behind Alexis for 3 years.  Well, life just changed.  And if we pursued him the academics is there.

Would it be scummy of him to double back?  In the new environment I don't even know anymore.  It may be that now everything, every day is contingent.  "Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

Quote from: Iceberg on April 18, 2026, 10:29:59 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:25:17 AMIf anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Special situation. I don't remember the full details but Morris had created a lot of animosity at SLU and didn't last long

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:34:10 AM

Quote from: Iceberg on April 18, 2026, 10:29:59 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:25:17 AMIf anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Special situation. I don't remember the full details but Morris had created a lot of animosity at SLU and didn't last long

I know. But I'm just talking about his numbers.

Quote from: arugula on April 18, 2026, 09:14:55 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:59:56 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

How does anyone know that Roest/Katz cannot be replacement level.  Np one has seen them play. Recall Shane was a third string guy who got thrown in because Schaf was dissatisfied with Howe/MacDonald and boom he beats UND twice.  Maybe it is the system. 

Besides, how do you know they're both wonderful individuals?

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:32:39 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 18, 2026, 02:56:37 AMAnother possibility.  Say we were down to the wire recruiting a goalie who is incoming in September 2026, but he chose elsewhere worried he would be stuck behind Alexis for 3 years.  Well, life just changed.  And if we pursued him the academics is there.

Would it be scummy of him to double back?  In the new environment I don't even know anymore.  It may be that now everything, every day is contingent.  "Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

I have heard so many "scummy" stories this week. I'm not publishing them on CHN because, honestly, they've become so frequent, it's practically not news anymore. We'll be doing some articles that are summaries of this week and what not. But the stories are pretty crazy. One kid "committed" to Bowling Green from the portal. At the last second, another school swooped in and offered the kid double, so he switched. The agent sent a text to BG apologizing. And at this point, if Cornell had to do the same, could you blame them?

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 11:37:45 AMData point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 11:37:45 AMData point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 11:37:45 AMData point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 11:23:44 AMSorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:08:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 11:23:44 AMSorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/887321/nick-cirka)

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:08:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 11:23:44 AMSorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/887321/nick-cirka)

I assume EP just lists a player as matriculating at college the next year they aren't accounted for on a roster. So if Cirka isn't yet on a roster for next season, they mark him as matriculating at Cornell. I'd be very surprised if this happens.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:13:18 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:23:48 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:13:18 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

They haven't had in-game experience in one or two years, depending on which one you choose. That's my point. That's the problem. Yes, they train with the Cornell players, staff, etcetera. They haven't been in a real game in a long time, though.

There's a reason backup goalies at the NCAA level almost never continue with hockey.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:44:27 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:23:48 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:13:18 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

They haven't had in-game experience in one or two years, depending on which one you choose. That's my point. That's the problem. Yes, they train with the Cornell players, staff, etcetera. They haven't been in a real game in a long time, though.

There's a reason backup goalies at the NCAA level almost never continue with hockey.

Everyone goes to Beer League eventually.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:08:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 11:23:44 AMSorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/887321/nick-cirka)

I assume EP just lists a player as matriculating at college the next year they aren't accounted for on a roster. So if Cirka isn't yet on a roster for next season, they mark him as matriculating at Cornell. I'd be very surprised if this happens.

Quote from: stereax on April 17, 2026, 11:23:00 PM

Quote from: RichH on April 17, 2026, 11:21:48 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

But hey, that argument that we want the ECAC to be a weak conference sure holds up.

somehow i doubt the sole reason he went to wisconsin was a "new level". although that's rich to say!

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AMBut in any case,
I think you were missing the bigger picture.

Quote from: billhoward on April 18, 2026, 04:38:16 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AMBut in any case,
I think you were missing the bigger picture.

Why deflect the other person's points?
What did the coach say when you went out for Debate Club?

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 05:19:20 PMMcNally on the transfer. (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2026/04/freshman-goaltender-alexis-cournoyer-transfers-to-wisconsin)

Nothing really new here that we haven't seen or covered, except even she insinuates that $ could be at play.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 06:35:16 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 05:19:20 PMMcNally on the transfer. (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2026/04/freshman-goaltender-alexis-cournoyer-transfers-to-wisconsin)

Nothing really new here that we haven't seen or covered, except even she insinuates that $ could be at play.

I'd advise everyone to pretty much ignore any quotes from Cournoyer. It's the same as every kid in the country. It's the same as Robertson. "need a better place, somewhere I could do my best, some other cockamamie reason" ... Denver just lost Hagen Burrows to Notre Dame. I'm sure he'll say the same thing. Is anyone going to take that seriously - that leaving Denver for Notre Dame is great for his development?

Every coach in the country is dealing with this - sometimes 5 times over. Just this week.  It would be better for everyone's blood pressure if they just rolled their eyes and moved on - coaches included.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:52:39 AMMathis Rousseau seems like the best option

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 08:23:20 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:52:39 AMMathis Rousseau seems like the best option

BL vindicated again

• started at least half of their team's games
• didn't have a "do not contact" label i.e. didn't already have a set destination
• had at least two years of undergrad remaining, i.e. could transfer into Cornell without having to burn a ton of credit

• Quentin Miller - probably the best goalie in the portal, we likely never had a chance. Transferred to WMU
• Rorke Applebee - .914 sv% for LSSU, transferred to Quinnipiac days ago. I don't know anything about this guy but if we were aware sooner of Cournoyer ditching maybe we could have been competitive for him
• Teagan Kendrick - .920 sv% for Sacred Heart, transferred to UNH. Same thoughts as for Applebee

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 08:50:32 PMQMJHL goalie (shocker).

Scoring a goalie goal. (https://x.com/i/status/2045665608973291541)

Looks like he might have played for team Canada at some point.

Quote from: marty on April 15, 2026, 07:10:45 AM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 15, 2026, 02:24:31 AMSorry about Cournoyer. Yes, really. Anything bad for a league team is bad for all teams in the league, although I make an exception for Union. They lost their leading scorer whose name I can't spell and am too lazy to look up.

I often get information about RPI players in a do-not-reveal mode. A while back, I heard about a CHL player whom RPI was after. I didn't expect RPI to get him for a reason which would probably reveal who he is. Anyway, he committed to Cornell in the last couple of days. I could not find anything on line yet which is typical. He won't in any way replace Cournoyer, but he should be a significant contributor on offense.

Mitch Gillam's cousin?  ;)

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 08:50:32 PMQMJHL goalie (shocker).

Scoring a goalie goal. (https://x.com/i/status/2045665608973291541)

Looks like he might have played for team Canada at some point.

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

Umm. That does not sound right.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today.

Umm. That does not sound right.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 11:56:28 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

Umm. That does not sound right.

I think the joke is Courns said that about going to Wisconsin. So maybe Rousseau wanted to do the same, but for academics.

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 12:04:49 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 11:56:28 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

Umm. That does not sound right.

I think the joke is Courns said that about going to Wisconsin. So maybe Rousseau wanted to do the same, but for academics.

I got that. I was saying Old Red's second sentence seemed wrong.

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 19, 2026, 01:41:40 AMI've never heard of anyone using the transfer portal for primarily academic reasons, but if it's even half the reason we got Rousseau, it would reflect well on the young man...who hopefully has a right-sized ego.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 08:54:25 AM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 09:42:03 AMHopefully Roest and Katz see a path to the starting job and push very hard this offseason.

Quote from: scoop85 on April 19, 2026, 10:03:59 AMI doubt Circa is here this fall. He would benefit from another year in juniors

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 09:30:49 AMApparently he is also nicknamed Rooster, like Roest, haha.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 08:54:25 AM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 08:54:25 AM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

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Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 08:54:25 AM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Wisconsin isn't a perennial powerhouse. They're weird! They've been ass (like, well below .500) several times since the Big 10 started (2013-14). They've had 5 seasons over .500 and 8 below in that stretch.

The good seasons have been very good, and they're certainly a historic contender that doesn't surprise anyone when they're good, but they've also had some awful years recently.

Quote from: stereaxApparently he is also nicknamed Rooster, like Roest, haha.

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Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Wisconsin isn't a perennial powerhouse. They're weird! They've been ass (like, well below .500) several times since the Big 10 started (2013-14). They've had 5 seasons over .500 and 8 below in that stretch.

The good seasons have been very good, and they're certainly a historic contender that doesn't surprise anyone when they're good, but they've also had some awful years recently.

Wisconsin's (lack of) success the past two decades doesn't have much bearing on their current situation. They now have a really good coach, recent success, and are in the Big 10, which is already well ahead of the rest of the country in resources with that gap continuing to grow.

Which isn't to say Cournoyer made a good decision. Also, it's not clear he made a decision to leave Cornell so much as he couldn't handle being a real student, or any number of other reasons he had to leave.

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Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 09:30:49 AMApparently he is also nicknamed Rooster, like Roest, haha.

Not Stereax level, but...(https://i.ibb.co/8DNfmyWg/20260419-120255.jpg)

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

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Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

Quote from: chimpfood on April 19, 2026, 03:33:37 PM

Quote from: sah67 on April 19, 2026, 03:31:48 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

Between him, Wehmann, Tuminaro, and Armstrong, could be a bit of a problem, but we'll see.

Quote from: ugarte on April 19, 2026, 04:22:24 PMMaybe he'll collapse and Robertson will get a post-Michigan contract. It's the perfect result.

Quote from: sah67 on April 19, 2026, 03:31:48 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 04:24:03 PM

Quote from: sah67 on April 19, 2026, 03:31:48 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

Most of those penalties were for spamming eLynah. :)

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 10:16:01 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 20, 2026, 06:24:49 AMNone of us know anything.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 20, 2026, 06:24:49 AMNone of us know anything.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 20, 2026, 06:24:49 AMNone of us know anything.

Some of us know more nothing than others.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio on April 20, 2026, 09:23:05 AM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 20, 2026, 08:24:51 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 20, 2026, 06:24:49 AMNone of us know anything.

Some of us know more nothing than others.

And some of us think they know something when they don't.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 09:57:10 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

So no Dec. Hope he stays loyal...!

Is there any reason why Walsh might wait until the summer to sign, or can we safely assume he'll be back?

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 10:01:51 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 09:57:10 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

So no Dec. Hope he stays loyal...!

Is there any reason why Walsh might wait until the summer to sign, or can we safely assume he'll be back?

Some guys sign over the summer depending on organizational moves - Will Smith from BC famously did after the Sharks won the draft lottery and he knew he'd be playing with Celebrini. It can also depend on how many active contracts an organization currently has - I think the Bruins are only at like 45/50 though.

But waiting until the summer also gives Walsh more leverage - i.e. "I'll play this season with Cornell and then you have 30 days to get me a good deal, otherwise I'll sign in FA with someone else". Although, again, he seems like a pretty loyal guy, and the Bruins have put a lot of effort into developing him, so I expect him to end up with the Bruins, unless they no longer have interest in him. The whole Bancroft thing might leave a sour taste in his mouth, though...

At this point, I'd say he's going to be back for next year, but obviously I'm not going to be putting words in his mouth here. We'll see how it goes over the summer.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 10:04:18 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 10:01:51 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 09:57:10 AMSo no Dec. Hope he stays loyal...!

Is there any reason why Walsh might wait until the summer to sign, or can we safely assume he'll be back?

Some guys sign over the summer depending on organizational moves - Will Smith from BC famously did after the Sharks won the draft lottery and he knew he'd be playing with Celebrini. It can also depend on how many active contracts an organization currently has - I think the Bruins are only at like 45/50 though.

But waiting until the summer also gives Walsh more leverage - i.e. "I'll play this season with Cornell and then you have 30 days to get me a good deal, otherwise I'll sign in FA with someone else". Although, again, he seems like a pretty loyal guy, and the Bruins have put a lot of effort into developing him, so I expect him to end up with the Bruins, unless they no longer have interest in him. The whole Bancroft thing might leave a sour taste in his mouth, though...

At this point, I'd say he's going to be back for next year, but obviously I'm not going to be putting words in his mouth here. We'll see how it goes over the summer.

Seems to me that these entry deals are all mostly the same? Not sure how much room Walsh has to squeeze out a better deal. It's weird to me that the Bruins haven't signed him, unless they tried and he said no.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 10:19:37 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

Huh, now the link doesn't work - it reverts to the 2025-26 roster.

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 10:50:09 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 10:16:01 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

the Habs want their guy as the undisputed #1 tendy on a good team, not battling for starts with some undrafted kid on a team that's famously streaky. sorry.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 20, 2026, 10:40:05 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 10:50:09 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 10:16:01 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

the Habs want their guy as the undisputed #1 tendy on a good team, not battling for starts with some undrafted kid on a team that's famously streaky. sorry.

So we're in agreement.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 10:48:11 AM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 20, 2026, 10:40:05 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 10:50:09 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 10:16:01 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

the Habs want their guy as the undisputed #1 tendy on a good team, not battling for starts with some undrafted kid on a team that's famously streaky. sorry.

So we're in agreement.

no we aren't lmao. Cornell is as far from "streaky" as they come in recent memory - they've made what, 8 of the last 9 NCAA tournaments, something only tied by Denver? the only reason we brought in Rousseau is because of the void left by Cournoyer - if he didn't leave, we wouldn't have done that. Wisconsin is streaky as fuck - sometimes they go on Linsanity runs, other times they're abysmal.

the #1 most important thing is that their prospect is getting played. at Cornell, he absolutely would be. at Wisconsin, he's gonna have to compete with Hauser for starts (unless Hauser transfers, which he honestly should). sure, the quality of play in the B10 vs the ECAC is better, overall, but that's much less important than the difference between playing 30 games a year vs being the designated doorman.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 10:20:26 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 10:19:37 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

Huh, now the link doesn't work - it reverts to the 2025-26 roster.

Huh. Well, it was DEFINITELY working a minute ago...

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 10:51:44 AMAlso, Cornell was a good spot for him as he was playing well and presumably getting good coaching. Though, I don't have a sense for what our goaltending coaching is like.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 20, 2026, 11:22:38 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 10:51:44 AMAlso, Cornell was a good spot for him as he was playing well and presumably getting good coaching. Though, I don't have a sense for what our goaltending coaching is like.

now you're starting to get it.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:23:31 AM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 20, 2026, 11:22:38 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 10:51:44 AMAlso, Cornell was a good spot for him as he was playing well and presumably getting good coaching. Though, I don't have a sense for what our goaltending coaching is like.

now you're starting to get it.

are you implying our goalie coaching is bad?

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here."

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here."

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here."

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AM"...we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there."

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here."

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMBut his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 20, 2026, 12:04:08 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMBut his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know

Mick and Keith had something to say about that.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 10:22:37 AMI had popped open Wehmann's page too, just to peer at it, that's gone as well.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 12:07:35 PM

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 20, 2026, 12:04:08 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMBut his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know

Mick and Keith had something to say about that.

When you hear about the concept of journalism it's gonna blow your mind

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

Quote from: The Rancor on April 20, 2026, 11:44:01 AMNo, it probably is very good- I'd be shocked if it wasn't. What I'm implying is that Wisconsin probably has a larger goaltending coaching staff and resources, because it's a bigger program with more money. Training/Coaching is SO important for goalies in this era. They train to be robots. Playing approximately the same amount of games at Wisco Vs Cornell but against a full slate of Big 10 goon squads and snipers. I'm not shitting on our program, but I do see that there are limits to what we offer, and the impression of quality in the hockey world. Seeing things through non Carnelian glasses...
Of course I think Cornell is awesome. Teams should fear us. But in the wider hockey world, we're on the B tier (and the ECAC is C/B- tier in their eyes...) in spite of our consistency and success. Is what it is. It's ridiculous obviously considering that the Big Whoop hasn't claimed a Natty since it started, but, even we on e-lynah get worried when we have to face off against them with the season on the line.

My insights come from being a fan my whole life and playing ice hockey for a long time- and playing with and interacting with on a regular basis former Junior, College and pro players. I'm not that good, but they are and they know. I skate with (literal) kids on their way to College and Juniors with pro ambitions- I have a sense of how they think and feel, not that anyone cares about credentials- only Adam W has the street cred that matters.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:02:00 PM

Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

Quote from: adamw on April 20, 2026, 01:08:51 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:02:00 PM

Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 12:01:17 PMBy far the most shocking thing in those quotes is that it sounds like he didn't provide any advance warning that he'd enter the portal? That's the way the story is written. I have a hard time believing that could be true.

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 01:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 12:01:17 PMBy far the most shocking thing in those quotes is that it sounds like he didn't provide any advance warning that he'd enter the portal? That's the way the story is written. I have a hard time believing that could be true.

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

I mean Adam told us basically how it went a week ago. Makes sense that they WERE blindsided, honestly.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:14:54 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 20, 2026, 01:08:51 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:02:00 PM

Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:22:48 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 01:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 12:01:17 PMBy far the most shocking thing in those quotes is that it sounds like he didn't provide any advance warning that he'd enter the portal? That's the way the story is written. I have a hard time believing that could be true.

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

I mean Adam told us basically how it went a week ago. Makes sense that they WERE blindsided, honestly.

I think we all thought the staff didn't know he'd leave until after the season ended, but the article makes it sound like the coaches may have been in the dark right up until he entered the portal, even though there was a 2.5 week gap in between Cornell's last game and the portal opening.

Quote from: adamw on April 20, 2026, 01:23:14 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:14:54 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 20, 2026, 01:08:51 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:02:00 PM

Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Do you honestly expect Casey to trash a kid on the record, or that it would be a good idea if he did?

I mean, this goes for every other coach too.

"Well, the kid is clueless, he lied to us in his meeting and then had his agent start calling around. Turns out he wasn't a good student and he decided he wanted the money more than a Cornell education."

What would be the benefit in a coach saying something like this? Assuming this is true.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:31:06 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 20, 2026, 01:23:14 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:14:54 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 20, 2026, 01:08:51 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:02:00 PM

Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Do you honestly expect Casey to trash a kid on the record, or that it would be a good idea if he did?

I mean, this goes for every other coach too.

"Well, the kid is clueless, he lied to us in his meeting and then had his agent start calling around. Turns out he wasn't a good student and he decided he wanted the money more than a Cornell education."

What would be the benefit in a coach saying something like this? Assuming this is true.

I would have asked: "Did Cournoyer provide a reason for transferring?" and "when did he inform you of the transfer?", to start. You're gonna get coach-speak either way, but at least this way we'd get more specificity while not forcing Casey to disclose anything he doesn't want to. 

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 10:51:44 AMAlso, Cornell was a good spot for him as he was playing well and presumably getting good coaching. Though, I don't have a sense for what our goaltending coaching is like.

now you're starting to get it.

are you implying our goalie coaching is bad?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

If I had to guess, I think a huge part of it may be Cournoyer's belief in himself that he will win the starting spot at Wisconsin (in spite of the quote he gave about Hauser pushing him.) If, on the other hand, he really believes that he'll be splitting time with Hauser then I'd say he's either pretty damn short-sighted, or other factors (academics, as others have suggested) were in play.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Quote from: arugula on April 20, 2026, 03:21:16 PMNot sure I agree.  As a lawyer, when I cross examine someone, it's not Perry Mason, you get stuff at the margins.  Same thing here.  From the quotes Jane got, seems clear that Casey is annoyed, Cournoyer is not a fit for Cornell and he was interested in a different college experience.  That's plenty of intel.  No one is going to roll over and confess confess confess or, alternately, make anyone look terrible. 

Quote from: Trotsky on April 20, 2026, 02:35:52 PMI doubt it's academics.  UW-Madison is not a bad university at all.  It's on par with the better large state universities (UNC, Michigan, UT-Austin, Washington, Cal). I suspect the places to stash a rockhead there are no easier than Hotel and Ag Ec with us.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 20, 2026, 02:35:52 PMI doubt it's academics.  UW-Madison is not a bad university at all.  It's on par with the better large state universities (UNC, Michigan, UT-Austin, Washington, Cal). I suspect the places to stash a rockhead there are no easier than Hotel and Ag Ec with us.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 20, 2026, 02:35:52 PMI doubt it's academics.  UW-Madison is not a bad university at all.  It's on par with the better large state universities (UNC, Michigan, UT-Austin, Washington, Cal). I suspect the places to stash a rockhead there are no easier than Hotel and Ag Ec with us.

This may have been true when you were a Cornell student (no idea), but it's certainly not true today. If you are dumb and don't try you'll get a bad grade in any class at Cornell. "Stash a rockhead" classes are certainly much easier and plentiful at a giant state school with big-time athletics than at an Ivy which does not cater to athletes at all.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Do you honestly expect Casey to trash a kid on the record, or that it would be a good idea if he did?

I mean, this goes for every other coach too.

"Well, the kid is clueless, he lied to us in his meeting and then had his agent start calling around. Turns out he wasn't a good student and he decided he wanted the money more than a Cornell education."

What would be the benefit in a coach saying something like this? Assuming this is true.

I would have asked: "Did Cournoyer provide a reason for transferring?" and "when did he inform you of the transfer?", to start. You're gonna get coach-speak either way, but at least this way we'd get more specificity while not forcing Casey to disclose anything he doesn't want to. 

I think you get the exact same answer. Jane can't put Casey under oath.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

....

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

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Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 06:14:26 PMSidenote - the ? ? ? -> ??? emoji pisses me off

Well sorry, but I actually typed four "?"  and somehow that emoji auto inserted, so I don't even know what

? ? ? -> ??? emoji

means. Please tell me.

???

When I chose it above it inserted 3 question marks - meaning I assume "what?"

More posters should consider using it - sorry stereax.

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Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Maybe he just didn't like it. Cornell can be a tough place to live/study. Maybe he didn't vibe with the team. Maybe, and I suspect, he couldn't cut it academically.
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"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Wow, just wow. Blindsiding your coaching staff and then explaining it publicly as chasing a "better opportunity" leaves behind a pretty nasty digital footprint.

What stands out isn't the transfer, it's how it's now documented. These quotes don't disappear, they're searchable, and exactly the kind of thing that shows up when future employers start doing even basic due diligence. Outside the hockey bubble, that phrasing will get read less as ambition and more as a preview of how someone handles commitments when a new option appears.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

I'm sorry if it offends you that the media covers the comings and goings of college athletes but you should get used to it.

Quote from: Redscore on April 20, 2026, 08:54:17 PMAnd it sounds like Math was not his strong suit.

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Quote from: Redscore on April 20, 2026, 08:54:17 PMAnd it sounds like Math was not his strong suit.

Did you read his quotes? Apparently grammar is also not his strong suit.

To make it easy for anyone who missed them...

"I want my goalie partner to play good so I can play better than him," Cournoyer told BadgerExtra.com. "It's nothing personal. It's just my mentality as a person. I want me and [Hauser] to play good and get this team to the next level next year together."

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Quote from: Snowball on April 20, 2026, 04:37:09 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

....

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Wow, just wow. Blindsiding your coaching staff and then explaining it publicly as chasing a "better opportunity" leaves behind a pretty nasty digital footprint.

What stands out isn't the transfer, it's how it's now documented. These quotes don't disappear, they're searchable, and exactly the kind of thing that shows up when future employers start doing even basic due diligence. Outside the hockey bubble, that phrasing will get read less as ambition and more as a preview of how someone handles commitments when a new option appears.

I mentioned this a few days ago and got chastised for it

It's real and it does happen

Quote from: Redscore on April 20, 2026, 08:54:17 PMGuy is a really good goaltender but a Rockhead and got bad advice.  Let's move on. Maybe he gets what he wants and is an NHL star out of Wisconsin, but the odds are against that.  And it sounds like Math was not his strong suit.

Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Do you honestly expect Casey to trash a kid on the record, or that it would be a good idea if he did?

I mean, this goes for every other coach too.

"Well, the kid is clueless, he lied to us in his meeting and then had his agent start calling around. Turns out he wasn't a good student and he decided he wanted the money more than a Cornell education."

What would be the benefit in a coach saying something like this? Assuming this is true.

I would have asked: "Did Cournoyer provide a reason for transferring?" and "when did he inform you of the transfer?", to start. You're gonna get coach-speak either way, but at least this way we'd get more specificity while not forcing Casey to disclose anything he doesn't want to. 

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

Nope—you're wrong. I've seen it firsthand. Employers absolutely do look, and it factors in. Call it old-school if you want, but it still carries weight. Every young person should assume a future employer will go through their social media.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

Nope—you're wrong. I've seen it firsthand. Employers absolutely do look, and it factors in. Call it old-school if you want, but it still carries weight. Every young person should assume a future employer will go through their social media.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

Nope—you're wrong. I've seen it firsthand. Employers absolutely do look, and it factors in. Call it old-school if you want, but it still carries weight. Every young person should assume a future employer will go through their social media.

You've seen it firsthand that a kid switched schools for an athletic opportunity and it was perceived so negatively that it was the deciding factor in offering a job in a field unrelated to athletics?

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 03:39:56 AM3) That being said, the article in its entirety puts Cournoyer in a pretty bad light, especially with Casey's quotes about being blindsided and about the value of education. If Cournoyer doesn't hack it at the NHL level and is a finance bro in 10 years who doesn't have connections to land him a job, as a hiring manager, that looks pretty bad to me - not that he transferred, but HOW he did it, putting the team in a really bad spot.

Quote from: Snowball on April 21, 2026, 09:08:34 AMHe's young, and young people deserve some grace for their behavior. I sincerely hope he learns that he should have handled this differently. As others have said, he probably didn't get good advice.

Quote from: Snowball on April 21, 2026, 09:08:34 AMHe's young, and young people deserve some grace for their behavior. I sincerely hope he learns that he should have handled this differently. As others have said, he probably didn't get good advice.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

Nope—you're wrong. I've seen it firsthand. Employers absolutely do look, and it factors in. Call it old-school if you want, but it still carries weight. Every young person should assume a future employer will go through their social media.

You've seen it firsthand that a kid switched schools for an athletic opportunity and it was perceived so negatively that it was the deciding factor in offering a job in a field unrelated to athletics?

Obviously not the exact same circumstances, but you knew that, didn't you?

What she said, not the transfer itself, but how he did it:

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 03:39:56 AM3) That being said, the article in its entirety puts Cournoyer in a pretty bad light, especially with Casey's quotes about being blindsided and about the value of education. If Cournoyer doesn't hack it at the NHL level and is a finance bro in 10 years who doesn't have connections to land him a job, as a hiring manager, that looks pretty bad to me - not that he transferred, but HOW he did it, putting the team in a really bad spot.

He's young, and young people deserve some grace for their behavior. I sincerely hope he learns that he should have handled this differently. As others have said, he probably didn't get good advice.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

I'm sorry if it offends you that the media covers the comings and goings of college athletes but you should get used to it.

The media can cover it as it will but the fact that you can't get all the answers you want is just too damn bad.  Stop your whining.  Cournoyer is gone.  You, as always, have to have someone to blame.  Preferably, as always for you, a Cornell coach.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

I'm sorry if it offends you that the media covers the comings and goings of college athletes but you should get used to it.

The media can cover it as it will but the fact that you can't get all the answers you want is just too damn bad.  Stop your whining.  Cournoyer is gone.  You, as always, have to have someone to blame.  Preferably, as always for you, a Cornell coach.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

I'm sorry if it offends you that the media covers the comings and goings of college athletes but you should get used to it.

The media can cover it as it will but the fact that you can't get all the answers you want is just too damn bad.  Stop your whining.  Cournoyer is gone.  You, as always, have to have someone to blame.  Preferably, as always for you, a Cornell coach.

Yawn. *taps the sign*: https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?topic=270518.msg285337#msg285337

If you think that Al or any other critics of your incessant stream of (lack of) thought postings are going to take advice from you, your delusions only prove our conclusions.

Quote from: BearLover on April 21, 2026, 10:00:56 AM3. I'm still confused why everyone feels so betrayed by Cournoyer dipping but didn't bat an eye when Robertson did the same. It's the same story in my book - one of our best players ditches personal and team success for the Big 10. Robertson had one of the best years for a freshman defenseman in Cornell history, and while he had a down sophomore year, the team won back to back ECAC Championships! His leaving was much more inexplicable than Cournoyer leaving, given Cournoyer's background (CHL overager, draft pick, seemingly unserious student, etc.). People are now saying far meaner things about Cournoyer than I ever said about Robertson. Unsurprisingly, the Al Deflorios and martys of the world don't care.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

Nope—you're wrong. I've seen it firsthand. Employers absolutely do look, and it factors in. Call it old-school if you want, but it still carries weight. Every young person should assume a future employer will go through their social media.

You've seen it firsthand that a kid switched schools for an athletic opportunity and it was perceived so negatively that it was the deciding factor in offering a job in a field unrelated to athletics?

Obviously not the exact same circumstances, but you knew that, didn't you?

What she said, not the transfer itself, but how he did it:

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 03:39:56 AM3) That being said, the article in its entirety puts Cournoyer in a pretty bad light, especially with Casey's quotes about being blindsided and about the value of education. If Cournoyer doesn't hack it at the NHL level and is a finance bro in 10 years who doesn't have connections to land him a job, as a hiring manager, that looks pretty bad to me - not that he transferred, but HOW he did it, putting the team in a really bad spot.

He's young, and young people deserve some grace for their behavior. I sincerely hope he learns that he should have handled this differently. As others have said, he probably didn't get good advice.

What's the "it" you've seen first hand then?  You were awfully confident telling Ugarte he's wrong.

I've hired plenty of people.  I've represented plenty of people who have hired plenty more people across a range of industries.  I agree with Ugarte in thinking no one cares.  People jump jobs all the time and frequently in ways that are poorly timed for their employer or handled in a way that the spurned party feels is unfair or wrong.  That doesn't make them unemployable.  It makes them average.

Quote from: BearLover on April 21, 2026, 10:00:56 AM3. I'm still confused why everyone feels so betrayed by Cournoyer dipping but didn't bat an eye when Robertson did the same. It's the same story in my book - one of our best players ditches personal and team success for the Big 10. Robertson had one of the best years for a freshman defenseman in Cornell history, and while he had a down sophomore year, the team won back to back ECAC Championships! His leaving was much more inexplicable than Cournoyer leaving, given Cournoyer's background (CHL overager, draft pick, seemingly unserious student, etc.)

Quote from: Snowball on April 21, 2026, 10:34:39 AMAnd this isn't "average job mobility." It's a freshman, starting goalie, award winner, and NHL draft pick leaving immediately after Year 1. The  Sun article adds context that makes it worse:  the blindsiding of the coaching staff, the implication that he doesn't value an education, it raises questions about judgment and priorities.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 21, 2026, 10:00:56 AM3. I'm still confused why everyone feels so betrayed by Cournoyer dipping but didn't bat an eye when Robertson did the same. It's the same story in my book - one of our best players ditches personal and team success for the Big 10. Robertson had one of the best years for a freshman defenseman in Cornell history, and while he had a down sophomore year, the team won back to back ECAC Championships! His leaving was much more inexplicable than Cournoyer leaving, given Cournoyer's background (CHL overager, draft pick, seemingly unserious student, etc.)

Robertson's exit wasn't as ugly, for one. He came in entirely unheralded, for another - his freshman year had to have been one of the most unexpected in quite a while. His departure was a surprise but it didn't seem mercenary. He appears to have saved his family tens of thousands of dollars in tuition money, which is not a small thing, plus whatever he received himself in NIL. We had a pretty good defense with or without him and the incoming class included XV. A Michigan diploma looks just as good on the wall as one from Cornell imo. I just don't think the Robertson transfer was primarily about hockey, although it was probably partly about hockey. Slotting in to an elite team in the best conference is also a hell of an opportunity. Obviously some of these things also apply to Cournoyer; Wisconsin is also an excellent school!

On the other hand, Cournoyer came in with huge fanfare, started hot as hell, then faded and left like an asshole. And he plays a position where we had no depth! I don't know what to tell you other than "different things are different" once you get past the overlap of transfering out of our beloved alma mater.

I am very much on the record as saying that most of the time I think of the athletes on the teams that I root for as gentic-lottery winning mutants dancing for my amusement so I do not grow attached to them as people. I play this ironic detachment for laughs. Cournoyer should fall into an open manhole tomorrow. Robertson's departure just doesn't trigger anything like that because he didn't make it weird. He just left.

Quote from: Snowball on April 21, 2026, 10:34:39 AMAnd this isn't "average job mobility." It's a freshman, starting goalie, award winner, and NHL draft pick leaving immediately after Year 1. The  Sun article adds context that makes it worse:  the blindsiding of the coaching staff, the implication that he doesn't value an education, it raises questions about judgment and priorities.

Unless Cournoyer does actually fall into that open manhole and his hockey career is over this week, nobody in a position to affect his life will ever care about the quotes he gave to the press in 2026. Nobody. Ever.

Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

The future employer stuff is why the ECAC is the only league on Earth that doesn't announce suspensions.

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 12:22:03 PMI have greatly enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and opinions on this matter, but for me, I'm over talking about someone who is no longer with us
I would much rather talk about our incoming goalie and the great team that we currently have in place!
Forward motion, or "fast forward"  as some may say  😂

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 12:22:03 PMI have greatly enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and opinions on this matter, but for me, I'm over talking about someone who is no longer with us
I would much rather talk about our incoming goalie and the great team that we currently have in place!
Forward motion, or "fast forward"  as some may say  😂

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Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

I'm sorry if it offends you that the media covers the comings and goings of college athletes but you should get used to it.

The media can cover it as it will but the fact that you can't get all the answers you want is just too damn bad.  Stop your whining.  Cournoyer is gone.  You, as always, have to have someone to blame.  Preferably, as always for you, a Cornell coach.

Yawn. *taps the sign*: https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?topic=270518.msg285337#msg285337

If you think that Al or any other critics of your incessant stream of (lack of) thought postings are going to take advice from you, your delusions only prove our conclusions.

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Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 12:22:03 PMI have greatly enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and opinions on this matter, but for me, I'm over talking about someone who is no longer with us
I would much rather talk about our incoming goalie and the great team that we currently have in place!
Forward motion, or "fast forward"  as some may say  😂

Rousseau highlights from the Q and WJC, anyone? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fneCpvwf-s)

Quote from: Snowball on April 21, 2026, 12:40:11 PMSo opinions on whether this matters or not vary.

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Quote from: Snowball on April 21, 2026, 12:40:11 PMSo opinions on whether this matters or not vary.

opinions vary, sure, but that doesn't mean they're equally grounded

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

The future employer stuff is why the ECAC is the only league on Earth that doesn't announce suspensions. I wrote a diatribe about this a few years ago which I should just automatically re-publish every 3 months, because it remains a preposterous premise.

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Quote from: Snowball on April 21, 2026, 12:40:11 PMSo opinions on whether this matters or not vary.

opinions vary, sure, but that doesn't mean they're equally grounded

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Quote from: ugarte on April 20, 2026, 10:59:16 PMI still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

The future employer stuff is why the ECAC is the only league on Earth that doesn't announce suspensions. I wrote a diatribe about this a few years ago which I should just automatically re-publish every 3 months, because it remains a preposterous premise.

I got it I got it I got it.

You and Adam (and every other sports league in the world) are right, the ECAC and I are wrong.

Issue resolved!

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Quote from: BearLover on April 21, 2026, 10:00:56 AM3. I'm still confused why everyone feels so betrayed by Cournoyer dipping but didn't bat an eye when Robertson did the same. It's the same story in my book - one of our best players ditches personal and team success for the Big 10. Robertson had one of the best years for a freshman defenseman in Cornell history, and while he had a down sophomore year, the team won back to back ECAC Championships! His leaving was much more inexplicable than Cournoyer leaving, given Cournoyer's background (CHL overager, draft pick, seemingly unserious student, etc.)

Robertson's exit wasn't as ugly, for one. He came in entirely unheralded, for another - his freshman year had to have been one of the most unexpected in quite a while. His departure was a surprise but it didn't seem mercenary. He appears to have saved his family tens of thousands of dollars in tuition money, which is not a small thing, plus whatever he received himself in NIL. We had a pretty good defense with or without him and the incoming class included XV. A Michigan diploma looks just as good on the wall as one from Cornell imo. I just don't think the Robertson transfer was primarily about hockey, although it was probably partly about hockey. Slotting in to an elite team in the best conference is also a hell of an opportunity. Obviously some of these things also apply to Cournoyer; Wisconsin is also an excellent school!

On the other hand, Cournoyer came in with huge fanfare, started hot as hell, then faded and left like an asshole. And he plays a position where we had no depth! I don't know what to tell you other than "different things are different" once you get past the overlap of transfering out of our beloved alma mater.

I am very much on the record as saying that most of the time I think of the athletes on the teams that I root for as gentic-lottery winning mutants dancing for my amusement so I do not grow attached to them as people. I play this ironic detachment for laughs. Cournoyer should fall into an open manhole tomorrow. Robertson's departure just doesn't trigger anything like that because he didn't make it weird. He just left.

Quote from: stereaxYeah, I think the difference is the mercenariness of it. Robertson it just feels like he needed a change of scenery - I think part of it was financial reasons, too. Plus even on the hockey side, again, with XV coming in, does Robertson even get PP time? We already had Fegaras for PP2, plus Stanley got PP1 time, plus Ashton also sometimes played on PP2.

I mean, I don't remember anyone saying anything along the lines of being "blindsided" by Robo's transfer, or any form of anger towards Robertson, which is pretty clear to read from Casey's thoughts on Cournoyer. Cournoyer did one year with us and ran away with the next "shiny thing". And the info we have about his agent basically cold emailing everyone to see if there was anyone who was interested backs that up. Robertson, we never heard anything as crazy as that.

And Robertson sure as shit didn't interview and say that Michigan was a "better opportunity". Which, well, Michigan is a perennial contender with so much high-end talent, even if they choke all the time, and probably IS a better opportunity than Cornell hockey-wise. Wisconsin is a lot shakier of a program with crazy highs and crazier lows.

Actually - here's what Robo DID say:

[snip]

Cournoyer... did not say anything like that. That's the difference, I think.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:14:54 PMShe had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Quote from: BearLover on April 21, 2026, 04:11:35 PMSounds to me like people are just pissed because our starting goalie left

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 12:52:42 PMRousseau highlights from the Q and WJC, anyone? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fneCpvwf-s)

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 05:26:11 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 12:52:42 PM

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 12:22:03 PMI have greatly enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and opinions on this matter, but for me, I'm over talking about someone who is no longer with us
I would much rather talk about our incoming goalie and the great team that we currently have in place!
Forward motion, or "fast forward"  as some may say  😂

Rousseau highlights from the Q and WJC, anyone? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fneCpvwf-s)

Thanks for this!!
He appears to have cat-like reflexes!!
And it's nice to see some good emotion as well!
I think we will be just fine!

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 08:21:34 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 07:48:26 PM

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 05:26:11 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 12:52:42 PM

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 12:22:03 PMI have greatly enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and opinions on this matter, but for me, I'm over talking about someone who is no longer with us
I would much rather talk about our incoming goalie and the great team that we currently have in place!
Forward motion, or "fast forward"  as some may say  😂

Rousseau highlights from the Q and WJC, anyone? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fneCpvwf-s)

Thanks for this!!
He appears to have cat-like reflexes!!
And it's nice to see some good emotion as well!
I think we will be just fine!

Maybe we even come out on top with this "trade". We'll have to wait and see.

It's one of the things I'm looking forward to:

1. New goalie and team members in action
2. 26-27 captains
3. First home-stand games

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 08:44:47 PM

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 08:21:34 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 07:48:26 PM

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 05:26:11 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 12:52:42 PM

Quote from: fastforward on April 21, 2026, 12:22:03 PMI have greatly enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and opinions on this matter, but for me, I'm over talking about someone who is no longer with us
I would much rather talk about our incoming goalie and the great team that we currently have in place!
Forward motion, or "fast forward"  as some may say  😂

Rousseau highlights from the Q and WJC, anyone? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fneCpvwf-s)

Thanks for this!!
He appears to have cat-like reflexes!!
And it's nice to see some good emotion as well!
I think we will be just fine!

Maybe we even come out on top with this "trade". We'll have to wait and see.

It's one of the things I'm looking forward to:

1. New goalie and team members in action
2. 26-27 captains
3. First home-stand games

I'm already workshopping goal calls for eLynah for the new guys.

"One small shot for Coco, one giant goal for Lynah"?

Quote from: Trotsky on April 22, 2026, 12:00:32 AMWe need some solid Rousseau cheers.

"Man is born free, but everywhere you just suck."

Much has been written about the effects of the transfer portal on midmajors. I agree with the general premise that the portal is horrible for midmajors at large, but this does not seem to be the case for the Ivies in hockey. Now that the 2026 men's hockey portal has closed, I looked at the portal the past 3 seasons and tallied all non-graduating seniors who transferred out of the Ivies (meaning they did not transfer to a different Ivy).

2024: 1 total

• Ryan Bottrill, Brown-->Clarkson

2025: 3 total

• Max Scott, Brown-->Maine
• Lawton Zacher, Brown-->Northeastern
• Ben Robertson, Cornell-->Michigan

2026: 2 total

• Alexis Cournoyer, Cornell-->Wisconsin
• Alex Pineau, Brown-->Northeastern