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QuoteMoney, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2021 - Cam Donaldson --> Massachusetts
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 06:37:09 PM

QuoteMoney, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

Code Select Expand

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

The first 3 players on the list would have stayed but left because they thought they would have no eligibility left after the canceled COVID year. Tupker graduated in 3 years. Howe I don't think ever actually transferred out, he just put his name in the portal. Robertson and now Cournoyer are the first true non-seniors to jump.

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 07:13:47 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 06:37:09 PM

QuoteMoney, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

Code Select Expand

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

The first 3 players on the list would have stayed but left because they thought they would have no eligibility left after the canceled COVID year. Tupker graduated in 3 years. Howe I don't think ever actually transferred out, he just put his name in the portal. Robertson and now Cournoyer are the first true non-seniors to jump.

I believe they could have applied for another year of eligibility but would have had to wait through all of yet another year.  I thought that was the whole anger with TPTB, that they dragged their feet on the policy and had they announced it up front then the players would have stayed with us?  But if they could never have returned I will strip them off. 

Tupker I had no idea, thanks!

If Howe stayed in school but dropped hockey that explains it and I'll scratch him too.  Good info, thank you.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 07:22:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 07:13:47 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 06:37:09 PM

QuoteMoney, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

Code Select Expand

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

The first 3 players on the list would have stayed but left because they thought they would have no eligibility left after the canceled COVID year. Tupker graduated in 3 years. Howe I don't think ever actually transferred out, he just put his name in the portal. Robertson and now Cournoyer are the first true non-seniors to jump.

I believe they could have applied for another year of eligibility but would have had to wait through all of yet another year.  I thought that was the whole anger with TPTB, that they dragged their feet on the policy and had they announced it up front then the players would have stayed with us?  But if they could never have returned I will strip them off. 

Tupker I had no idea, thanks!

If Howe stayed in school but dropped hockey that explains it and I'll scratch him too.  Good info, thank you.

I'm not sure how it worked exactly but those guys were all planning on coming back until COVID wiped out the year. Cam Donaldson is another in the same boat who wasn't on your list.

I've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
     Ben Robertson leaving last year hit me hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

I was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 07:26:28 PMI'm not sure how it worked exactly but those guys were all planning on coming back until COVID wiped out the year. Cam Donaldson is another in the same boat who wasn't on your list.

This is how I remember it.  I could be wrong.  The Ivy League eventually announced guys who stayed in school for four years but missed out playing in 2021 because the season was canceled, could apply for their fourth year of athletic eligibility, even if that meant they were grad students and would otherwise run afoul of the Ivy's cynical and stupid No Grad Students integrity theater posturing.

But.  They sat with their thumb in their ass for almost 18 months before they announced that.  Meanwhile, Regush, Galajda, Donaldson, and Leahy had no idea whether they would get fucked out of a year of eligibility, and Schafer actively encouraged them to transfer if they had an opportunity because nobody should ever trust the Ivies to not shoot themselves and others in the dick.

So they left.  And eventually the Ivies pulled out of the crying underage parlor maid for long enough to issue the decree that would have saved our four heroes.  I leave restitution as an exercise for the reader.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Ex%C3%A9cution_de_Marie_Antoinette_le_16_octobre_1793.jpg/1280px-Ex%C3%A9cution_de_Marie_Antoinette_le_16_octobre_1793.jpg)

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 08:09:23 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 07:26:28 PMI'm not sure how it worked exactly but those guys were all planning on coming back until COVID wiped out the year. Cam Donaldson is another in the same boat who wasn't on your list.

This is how I remember it.  I could be wrong.  The Ivy League eventually announced guys who stayed in school for four years but missed out on playing one of them, could be granted a fifth year of academic eligibility to complete their fourth year of athletic eligibility, even if that meant they were grad students and would otherwise run afoul of the Ivy's cynical and stupid No Grad Students academic integrity theater.

But.  They sat with their thumb in their ass for almost 18 months before they announced that.  Meanwhile, Regush, Galajda, Donaldson, and Leahy had no idea whether they would get fucked out of a year of eligibility, and Schafer actively encouraged them to transfer if they had an opportunity because nobody should ever trust the Ivies to not shoot themselves and others in the dick.

So they left.  And eventually the Ivies pulled out of the crying underage parlor maid for long enough to issue the decree that would have saved our four heroes.  I leave restitution as an exercise for the reader.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Ex%C3%A9cution_de_Marie_Antoinette_le_16_octobre_1793.jpg/1280px-Ex%C3%A9cution_de_Marie_Antoinette_le_16_octobre_1793.jpg)

I think that's right. Also, Barron and Green went pro even though at minimum Green had been planning to return for his senior season.

Which to me distinguishes these cases from what we're currently seeing with Robertson and Cournoyer.

Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 14, 2026, 07:58:10 PMI was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 14, 2026, 07:49:13 PMI've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
     Ben Robertson leaving last year hit men hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

Robertson probably fucked up.

If we become a farm team for the blue bloods I'll just stop watching completely

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 09:33:54 PM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 14, 2026, 07:49:13 PMI've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
    Ben Robertson leaving last year hit men hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

Robertson probably fucked up.

If we become a farm team for the blue bloods I'll just stop watching completely

Agree. Feel sick to my stomach.

Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 09:26:13 PM

Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 14, 2026, 07:58:10 PMI was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Can the Ivies regulate NIL shenanigans though?  I know the ivies opted out of the settlement that is supposed to establish a ~$20m salary cap, but given the current state of college athletics and the law how can the Ivies restrict "external" NIL agreements?

Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 15, 2026, 12:33:09 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 09:26:13 PM

Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 14, 2026, 07:58:10 PMI was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Can the Ivies regulate NIL shenanigans though?  I know the ivies opted out of the settlement that is supposed to establish a ~$20m salary cap, but given the current state of college athletics and the law how can the Ivies restrict "external" NIL agreements?

The Ivies restrict most forms of NIL based off Ivy elitism bullshit. Hence the thing with Penn basketball that they're putting the kids into high-paying internships as essentially a proxy to get them money. That seems to be the predominant way for Ivy athletes to get money without running into Ivy elitism bullshit rules - rumor has it on the forums that Schafer was working on something to that extent as well.

Also, NIL, while short for Name-Image-Likeness, isn't necessarily "paying the player to sponsor stuff" like you'd think it is. At this point it's basically a catchall for "any way a university can pay a player". Again - think the McKenna, Martone, etc deals. Guys like Robertson aren't actually being paid for their Name, Image, or Likeness anywhere, as far as I'm aware.

It's up to how the Ivies respond.  This affects all sports.  The Ivies have an even longer tradition of competing and winning at snob sports and then bragging about it at the Club (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49wxi75mx_E) than they do turning their nose up at athletic scholarships that little Sophia and Noah don't need because of the trust.

I'm not sure there is as much of a flop sweat desperation to hold on to the Ivies' scholarship and NIL posturing as there once was.  People have grown up.  OK, probably not parents in Westchester County, but that is not the only bread upon which Cornell is buttered anymore, particularly since they sold our soul for a mess of ENG grant pottage.

They may decide to drop the pretense.  It was always about protecting the fortunate sons from competition with the rabble, anyway.  As long as admissions standards remain, paying a talented forward who can hack it academically is fine by me.

So is it correct then that if, with my 200 billion dollars from acts I no longer wish to recall, I want to buy us players, I have to do it via some sort of front organization affiliated with the university?  The financial analog of the University of Tennessee Orange Pride hostesses?

I can't bribe the kid personally, I have to bribe him via an LLC?

Wow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

Three years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:13:25 AMThree years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:13:25 AMThree years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

If you put it that way, sure - but Robertson proved to be pretty damn replaceable. I'd wager Veilleux is better than him. Even if he weren't, that's one d-men out of six on your roster. You can, and should be able to, cover for that. That's why you roster 8 or 9 d-men in the first place.

There's only one goalie in net. That's a much harder position to replace - especially if you're only aware of it in, say, February or March. Plus, landing Cournoyer was seen as a HUGE get by the team, both because of his credentials (draft pick!) as well as his talent. You could argue Cornell "took a chance" on the kid who played a total of what, 20 QMJHL games? And is getting "burned" for it, in your words, BL. You don't roster more than one starting goaltender as a general rule - the rest of your goalies are backups or practice guys.

Also, guys transferring after their freshman year feels pretty unheard-of, for Cornell.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:00:14 AMSo is it correct then that if, with my 200 billion dollars from acts I no longer wish to recall, I want to buy us players, I have to do it via some sort of front organization affiliated with the university?  The financial analog of the University of Tennessee Orange Pride hostesses?

I can't bribe the kid personally, I have to bribe him via an LLC?

I'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

A few things I'd note about the futility of our situation:

• The Ivy League put out a directive that the schools themselves cannot organize NIL payments. Though NIL collectives are third-party vehicles, they usually work closely with coaches and athletic departments to raise money and divvy up payouts. In the Ivy League, this is forbidden. The Ivy League is the only league in America that does not permit its schools/ADs/coaches to organize paying its players.
• The Ivy League opted out of revenue sharing. So schools cannot pay players directly.
• The Ivy League is the only league in America that does not afford eligibility to graduate students. When the new 5-year eligibility model soon gets approved, all other schools will be able to keep their best players 5 years and bring in graduate transfers, further disadvantaging the Ivies.

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:33:33 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:13:25 AMThree years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

If you put it that way, sure - but Robertson proved to be pretty damn replaceable. I'd wager Veilleux is better than him. Even if he weren't, that's one d-men out of six on your roster. You can, and should be able to, cover for that. That's why you roster 8 or 9 d-men in the first place.

There's only one goalie in net. That's a much harder position to replace - especially if you're only aware of it in, say, February or March. Plus, landing Cournoyer was seen as a HUGE get by the team, both because of his credentials (draft pick!) as well as his talent. You could argue Cornell "took a chance" on the kid who played a total of what, 20 QMJHL games? And is getting "burned" for it, in your words, BL. You don't roster more than one starting goaltender as a general rule - the rest of your goalies are backups or practice guys.

Also, guys transferring after their freshman year feels pretty unheard-of, for Cornell.

Guys transferring out at all is pretty unheard of at Cornell, until now.

What you said is true but like I said back when the Robertson transfer happened, I was worried as much about what it meant for the future as I was about Robertson specifically. So we lost our best returning defenseman last year, we lose (at least) our starting goalie this year, and maybe next year we lose two of our best forwards. To me, that's all the same--our best players deciding that personal success and a winning culture isn't enough. If that's not enough, then Cornell doesn't stand a chance.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:39:25 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:33:33 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 01:13:25 AMThree years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

If you put it that way, sure - but Robertson proved to be pretty damn replaceable. I'd wager Veilleux is better than him. Even if he weren't, that's one d-men out of six on your roster. You can, and should be able to, cover for that. That's why you roster 8 or 9 d-men in the first place.

There's only one goalie in net. That's a much harder position to replace - especially if you're only aware of it in, say, February or March. Plus, landing Cournoyer was seen as a HUGE get by the team, both because of his credentials (draft pick!) as well as his talent. You could argue Cornell "took a chance" on the kid who played a total of what, 20 QMJHL games? And is getting "burned" for it, in your words, BL. You don't roster more than one starting goaltender as a general rule - the rest of your goalies are backups or practice guys.

Also, guys transferring after their freshman year feels pretty unheard-of, for Cornell.

Guys transferring out at all is pretty unheard of at Cornell, until now.

What you said is true but like I said back when the Robertson transfer happened, I was worried as much about what it meant for the future as I was about Robertson specifically. So we lost our best returning defenseman last year, we lose (at least) our starting goalie this year, and maybe next year we lose two of our best forwards. To me, that's all the same--our best players deciding that personal success and a winning culture isn't enough. If that's not enough, then Cornell doesn't stand a chance.

You're right - though I'd push back gently on the "personal success" part of it, because every player defines that differently. I figured the Robertson thing was one guy who was perhaps disillusioned with Casey, or had financial considerations, or maybe thought he wouldn't get as much ice time with the program this year. But if it becomes a trend - and if Cournoyer is chasing a bag, it well might be - it will be incredibly difficult to field a team that's nationally competitive, not just in the ECAC where half the teams are playing by the same cripple fight rules, the other half are similarly struggling with the new NIL rules because they're broke, and Pecknold is still a whiny bitch.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:45:16 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

I wasn't. (Luckily, it seems.) But Q's entire shtick is pulling shit out of their asses with transfers and the like. How many of those 5th-year players were core contributors?

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:49:38 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:45:16 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

I wasn't. (Luckily, it seems.) But Q's entire shtick is pulling shit out of their asses with transfers and the like. How many of those 5th-year players were core contributors?

See for yourself: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team/Quinnipiac/47/overall,20222023

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:56:31 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:49:38 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:45:16 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:33:50 AMI'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

I wasn't. (Luckily, it seems.) But Q's entire shtick is pulling shit out of their asses with transfers and the like. How many of those 5th-year players were core contributors?

See for yourself: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team/Quinnipiac/47/overall,20222023

A couple. 2 of the top 6 scorers but 4 of the top 8. But again - most of these guys are good COLLEGE players, but not the upper echelon of hockey talent in general.

Side note - how the hell did they have 8 dmen playing 40 games a piece?

Second side note - apparently Krafty's CHIP is higher than Cournoyer's (by a hair, tbf) at the end of the season. No idea how they calculate CHIP because Long has similar stats and is several points lower. But it's interesting to note. It goes Casty, then a big gap, Veilleux... Major, Walsh... Ryan, Fegaras... Kraft, Cournoyer... Ashton, Long... Stanley, and then a big gap to the rest of the roster.

Fuck.

Twitter verse has him headed to Wisconsin.

Quote from: Pghas on April 15, 2026, 08:56:51 AMFuck.

Twitter verse has him headed to Wisconsin.

I guess he still likes a red and white uniform

Quote from: Pghas on April 15, 2026, 08:56:51 AMFuck.

Twitter verse has him headed to Wisconsin.

If he goes to Wisconsin, Hauser portals out, almost assuredly. Between him and Quentin Miller, land one.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

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Quote from: BigRedLaw on April 14, 2026, 07:58:10 PMI was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Can the Ivies regulate NIL shenanigans though?  I know the ivies opted out of the settlement that is supposed to establish a ~$20m salary cap, but given the current state of college athletics and the law how can the Ivies restrict "external" NIL agreements?

The Ivies restrict most forms of NIL based off Ivy elitism bullshit. Hence the thing with Penn basketball that they're putting the kids into high-paying internships as essentially a proxy to get them money. That seems to be the predominant way for Ivy athletes to get money without running into Ivy elitism bullshit rules - rumor has it on the forums that Schafer was working on something to that extent as well.

Also, NIL, while short for Name-Image-Likeness, isn't necessarily "paying the player to sponsor stuff" like you'd think it is. At this point it's basically a catchall for "any way a university can pay a player". Again - think the McKenna, Martone, etc deals. Guys like Robertson aren't actually being paid for their Name, Image, or Likeness anywhere, as far as I'm aware.

This is somewhat true - and which is what makes all of this confusing.

Some schools call it "NIL" when it's not. And other schools call it "rev share" when it's not.

For example, there are schools that claim to give out "no NIL" (see: Denver) ... There's no such thing as internal NIL anymore. If that team is opted in, then it falls under the "rev share" rules from the House settlement - i.e. $20.5 million cap, etc...

But some places say "we gave so and so x,y,z NIL" when it's really "rev share" (now, rev share unto itself it somewhat of a misnomer as well, since they're not sharing profit, per se).

Now, some places don't like using the term "rev share" - so they'll say, "We're giving *institutional NIL*" - which is just a euphemism for stuff that's in the rev share bucket.

Then you have Arizona State, which is not giving any rev share to hockey, so that $200k the team raises, or whatever, is basically some form of NIL deal. I really don't have my hands around this at the moment - trying to figure it out.  Talked to ASU coach briefly yesterday and was about to get into this, but he apparently had to spend the rest of the day on conference calls poaching players from other teams.

brief takes:

I never disagreed with BL that Robertson leaving is a bad sign of things to come (not an issue about the player itself) -- what I disagree with is any implication that this is Casey's fault. It's just a coincidence, so to speak, that the coaching change timing coincided with the madness in college sports fully festering. (unlimited transfer + money)  I generally believe Cornell will be, overall, LESS affected by the transfers - but to say they will be - or should be - totally immune is not realistic. The landscape is INSANE!!

Cournoyer actually had pretty pedestrian analytics last season. His xGa+ was nothing really. +1.02 ... The leaders were at +30 ... Cornell will be fine in that department, somehow.

I'd expect to hear some new "recruits"/transfers soon. Goalie or otherwise.

If I had to give a reason not to freak out about Cournoyer, it's that - Casey was desperate for a goalie last summer, and dipped into the Q pool to snatch Cournoyer. It was a bit of a coup, but it also meant that maybe Cournoyer wasn't a "true Ivy guy" - i.e. it wasn't something he'd targeted, and he's not a great student, etc... (just conjecture). This is the risk, however, with the constant churn.

Expanding on above, I generally believe Cornell will be fine talent wise with who it brings in vs. who goes out. The issue is more the churn, and how that affects continuity, and thus how that hurts a team's potential for that season, on a national scale. However, this is far from just a Cornell problem.

Quentin Miller, though intriguing, is likely a guy looking for a big place for 1 year, before going pro. So that may not be a good idea.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 09:36:00 AMpoaching players from other teams.

LOL. Thanks for the breakdown 💜

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 09:47:44 AMQuentin Miller, though intriguing, is likely a guy looking for a big place for 1 year, before going pro. So that may not be a good idea.

It depends, imo. I think if you can land a goalie like that for one year (pedigree and good numbers, desperate for a scenery change), you do it anyway, even if you know it's a one-year deal, so to speak. If he doesn't want to come here though and wants a "big name", he can go chase that and we'll see about someone else. Agreed that overall though you want people here who want to be here for 3-4 years.

The point about Courns's GSAx is intriguing though. Essentially you're saying he was basically NCAA league average. That... bodes really well for us, actually - just need to find a League Average kid and press play.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

Highly doubt we're competitive for Quentin Mille and at this point I'm not even sure we want to play this game...

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Was three years until the 70's.  Then four and now one, two, three or four.  Liked the three and four year progression.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

I'm not expecting you to reveal your sources, but to my knowledge, the times Casey and Schafer have spoken about this, it's mostly been passing references in internal meetings with program boosters. In practice, it seems hard to pull off - you'd need (1) rich boosters (2) with the authority and desire to hire Cornell hockey players and (3) the ability to guarantee them a high salary for a summer internship. That's why I'm curious how Penn basketball is doing it, if they even are.

I would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

If I squint, things are the same so I'm going to argue that they are the same. How come you aren't treating them like they're the same? I see you've pointed out differnces that matter to you but what if I counter that those aren't differences and repeat myself?

I need to learn not to be too attached to individual players. It sucks. Almost like I want the team to be mediocre filled with mediocre players in the hopes that no one leaves and everyone finishes their degrees.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 11:00:13 AMIf I squint, things are the same so I'm going to argue that they are the same. How come you aren't treating them like they're the same? I see you've pointed out differnces that matter to you but what if I counter that those aren't differences and repeat myself?

I assume you're subtweeting me but I think it's pretty clear that two of our best players fleeing a winning program to go to the Big 10 in consecutive years are similar in numerous important ways and that this completely new development in the history of Cornell hockey is looking more like the start of a trend.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

That's true - perhaps he got started earlier due to the coaching change. Or perhaps I'm just wrong. Either way, I do know transferring is more involved at the Ivies.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

That's true - perhaps he got started earlier due to the coaching change. Or perhaps I'm just wrong. Either way, I do know transferring is more involved at the Ivies.

That's fair, yeah. I suspect it's a bidding war that's at the root of the "delay", but I might be wrong too, lol.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:58:03 AMHighly doubt we're competitive for Quentin Mille and at this point I'm not even sure we want to play this game...

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

well for one thing, Cornell does already admit the top recruits into the Dyson undergraduate business school which is the toughest one to get into and puts them on the fast track to said great internships and long term financial success.  But when that is put up against the possibility of an NHL career, even that isn't great.  Still, the vast vast majority of NCAA players will not become impact players or even players at all in the NHL.  So you have to take the "one and done" like basketball does and also keep an eye on players whose developmental arc seems to sync up with an NCAA career.  That said, the players who could have NHL careers are going to be the ones that get you the best chance of winning.  Dartmouth has already announced that Cleaves, Stavroff and their top D and goalie are coming back next year.  Pretty sure they were all undrafted and will benefit Fromm another NCAA year, and that its not a loyalty to Dartmouth while the NHL is knocking at the door thing.

Think summer recruiting visits to my buddy's house on Cayuga would help?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

That's true - perhaps he got started earlier due to the coaching change. Or perhaps I'm just wrong. Either way, I do know transferring is more involved at the Ivies.

That's fair, yeah. I suspect it's a bidding war that's at the root of the "delay", but I might be wrong too, lol.

I don't see why him being in or out of the portal would affect a bidding war, if one exists.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:58:03 AMHighly doubt we're competitive for Quentin Mille and at this point I'm not even sure we want to play this game...

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Quote from: Snowball on April 15, 2026, 09:12:37 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

well for one thing, Cornell does already admit the top recruits into the Dyson undergraduate business school which is the toughest one to get into and puts them on the fast track to said great internships and long term financial success.  But when that is put up against the possibility of an NHL career, even that isn't great.  Still, the vast vast majority of NCAA players will not become impact players or even players at all in the NHL.  So you have to take the "one and done" like basketball does and also keep an eye on players whose developmental arc seems to sync up with an NCAA career.  That said, the players who could have NHL careers are going to be the ones that get you the best chance of winning.  Dartmouth has already announced that Cleaves, Stavroff and their top D and goalie are coming back next year.  Pretty sure they were all undrafted and will benefit Fromm another NCAA year, and that its not a loyalty to Dartmouth while the NHL is knocking at the door thing.

Think summer recruiting visits to my buddy's house on Cayuga would help?

CJ Foley back too (EDIT: oh wait you said that). I do think it's a loyalty thing to Dartmouth. Several of these kids could have signed NHL deals.

Two other goalies in the transfer portal that might be worth taking a look at:

Teagan Kendrick, Sacred Heart (Fr) - 20 GP, .920 sv%, +7.44 GSAx
Petter Wickström Stumer, Canisius (So) - 12 GP, .921 sv%, +7.19 GSAx

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Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 11:10:06 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 10:55:44 AMI would guess that the delay in Cournoyer entering the portal, and any new portal commits being announced, would be due to the Ivies' more involved procedures for transferring into and out of the schools.

 

Didn't Dartmouth get that kid from Brown almost instantly, though?

That's true - perhaps he got started earlier due to the coaching change. Or perhaps I'm just wrong. Either way, I do know transferring is more involved at the Ivies.

That's fair, yeah. I suspect it's a bidding war that's at the root of the "delay", but I might be wrong too, lol.

I don't see why him being in or out of the portal would affect a bidding war, if one exists.

My suspicion is Cournoyer and agent were trying to gauge interest (and however much $ was at play) before officially entering the portal.

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 11:19:34 AMTwo other goalies in the transfer portal that might be worth taking a look at:

Teagan Kendrick, Sacred Heart (Fr) - 20 GP, .920 sv%, +7.44 GSAx
Petter Wickström Stumer, Canisius (So) - 12 GP, .921 sv%, +7.19 GSAx

Stumer appears to be transferring to Maine.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

Right, but to me, the Robertson transfer was the canary in the coal mine.

Anyway, if people want to take their outrage and shift that energy towards something productive, a few things come to mind:

• write a letter to the Ivy League administrators about how allowing grad transfers would further the educational goals of the league. Lack of 5th year eligible players will kill us once that becomes the new rule. Staff directory here: https://ivyleague.com/staff-directory
• reach out to Casey and ask his thoughts on the new college climate and how he sees Cornell keeping up. Ask him what is fans can do to help. It may tie in with the next bullet point...
• look into what Penn basketball did, since this seems to be the only precedent for a successful model of paying players in the Ivy League. What are the details of their arrangements? A key point here is that it's orders of magnitude more expensive to pay players in basketball than in hockey - so to the extent Penn boosters have successfully accomplished this, it could be ported to hockey for relatively cheap. The other key point is that outside of big state schools, American universities tend to be broke af. The Ivies are the exception. If we actually instituted an NIL program we'd have more money than almost anyone outside the Big 10

My understanding is that Cornell is, or will be, partaking in the last bullet point.  Casey will certainly unturn any rock to do what needs to be done.  It's just the landscape is a bloody disaster right now, so it will not be pretty.

I'm not expecting you to reveal your sources, but to my knowledge, the times Casey and Schafer have spoken about this, it's mostly been passing references in internal meetings with program boosters. In practice, it seems hard to pull off - you'd need (1) rich boosters (2) with the authority and desire to hire Cornell hockey players and (3) the ability to guarantee them a high salary for a summer internship. That's why I'm curious how Penn basketball is doing it, if they even are.

Let's put it this way. I don't know of it happening yet. I do know they're trying. I'm confident they can find rich boosters with the desire to hire Cornell hockey players as interns. Whether the hockey dept. gets interference from the school or Ivy League HQ is another story. But I'm pretty sure Penn is already actually doing this in practice.

    Maybe Cournoyer had no intention of entering...but possibly he was contacted (is "tampering" still a naughty word?)in the last few days with an offer he couldn't refuse?
    Probably won't be popular on here, but we entered this season nervous about goalie situation after Ian Shane left. Cournoyer was good for a freshman no doubt. But Keopple (who is considered mediocre?) played just as well. Personally I didn't care who started by the end of the season, I felt confident. I don't study stats so maybe Cournoyer was statistically better. Is Cournoyer replaceable? Shore up the defense and don't let teams shoot! It's worked for how many years?
    I enjoy rooting for the players and the team winning while in Cornell. Makes it hard if roster turns over year after year. The "core" players actually are the glue and main component. Casey is known as great recruiter and I have faith in him.
    I couldn't make an account on here for years or I would have been all over the Ben Robertson situation. I was a huge fan and really thought his ceiling was high.

This is the most recent piece I can find on the Penn NIL collective:
https://www.thedp.com/article/2025/11/penn-mens-basketball-alumni-driven-internships-nil-collective-alanna-wren-ivy-league

Coincidence or not, here's Cornell's launch of an NIL initiative:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2026/4/15/baseball-athletics-launches-big-red-exchange-to-connect-student-athletes-and-businesses-for-nil-opportunities.aspx

Quote from: scoop85 on April 15, 2026, 01:47:55 PMCoincidence or not, here's Cornell's launch of an NIL initiative:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2026/4/15/baseball-athletics-launches-big-red-exchange-to-connect-student-athletes-and-businesses-for-nil-opportunities.aspx

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Quote from: scoop85 on April 15, 2026, 01:47:55 PMCoincidence or not, here's Cornell's launch of an NIL initiative:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2026/4/15/baseball-athletics-launches-big-red-exchange-to-connect-student-athletes-and-businesses-for-nil-opportunities.aspx

"Big Red Exchange also integrates secure payment processing, enabling businesses to compensate student-athletes directly within the platform. The system automatically generates IRS 1099 forms within each student-athlete's Influencer app, simplifying compliance and tax reporting."

Genius.

Hm, maybe the defensive corps can build me a deck.

Per the exchange, Keopple is already offering autographs for $20 (https://app.inflcr.com/exchange/cornell-university?sports%5B0%5D=12&key=1776276551787).

But why is Cournoyer in there?

Offer him an internship STAT

It's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Quote from: Beeeej on April 15, 2026, 02:10:09 PMBut why is Cournoyer in there?

Trying to double dip?

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:22:38 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

The thing is, Cornell has a lot of pretty rich alumni, many of whom like Cornell hockey. Hell, didn't Gary Fucking Bettman donate to renovate Lynah? I'm sure people will be found.

I don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 11:10:09 AM

Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 11:00:13 AMIf I squint, things are the same so I'm going to argue that they are the same. How come you aren't treating them like they're the same? I see you've pointed out differnces that matter to you but what if I counter that those aren't differences and repeat myself?

I assume you're subtweeting me but I think it's pretty clear that two of our best players fleeing a winning program to go to the Big 10 in consecutive years are similar in numerous important ways and that this completely new development in the history of Cornell hockey is looking more like the start of a trend.

true, but it's a trend you keep denying exists! you seem to think NIL is de minimis and then ipse dixit it into blaming casey plus laying on pure lorem ipsum and other atinlay ingsthay

   We are trying to do things the right way. Hopefully all the blue blood schools are on the "up and up" also. We are always in a fist fight but we wear handcuffs.
   Pretty soon the usher at Lynah will be passing a plate  down the rows like church.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:22:38 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

The thing is, Cornell has a lot of pretty rich alumni, many of whom like Cornell hockey. Hell, didn't Gary Fucking Bettman donate to renovate Lynah? I'm sure people will be found.

It's one thing to get a one-time donation from Gary Bettman to contribute towards renovating Lynah, but it's quite another thing to convince Gary Bettman to donate tens of thousands of dollars every season to paying Cornell players. I imagine Gary Bettman spends little to no time thinking about Cornell Hockey.

That's problem #1: finding rich people willing to contribute continuously without donor fatigue.

Problem #2 is satisfying Ivy and NCAA rules regarding legitimate NIL. All payments over $600 are subject to NIL clearinghouse approval that the payment is for a "valid business purpose" commensurate with the payout. The Ivy rules against pay-for-play are probably even more onerous. The Ivies must approve any that any NIL deal above $2,000, and I'm sure they'll be looking at these harder than the clearinghouse.

Problem #3 is coordination. Here again the Ivy League has gotten in the way: "The eight Ivy athletic departments will begin signing attestations of independence for payments to athletes over $2,000 for an athlete's name, image, and likeness. An attestation of independence, in this context, is a signed document that claims that a NIL deal with an outside donor was not brokered by the signing institution's athletic department in any way." So it seems the Cornell athletic department and coaches can't "broker" NIL deals. It's not entire clear what "broker" means - can Casey hook a Cornell player up with a finance CEO, who herself brokers a deal? Or would any involvement by Casey whatsoever run afoul of this rule?

Hypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 03:22:05 PMHypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Again, that's only true if there's someone else who can and will pay the money which you keep declining to believe unless adam responds to your document subpoena.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 15, 2026, 03:20:13 PMWe are trying to do things the right way. Hopefully all the blue blood schools are on the "up and up" also. We are always in a fist fight but we wear handcuffs.
  Pretty soon the usher at Lynah will be passing a plate  down the rows like church.

on senior night the scratches cross the pews of lynah with tip jars

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 03:22:05 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:26:03 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:22:38 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

The thing is, Cornell has a lot of pretty rich alumni, many of whom like Cornell hockey. Hell, didn't Gary Fucking Bettman donate to renovate Lynah? I'm sure people will be found.

It's one thing to get a one-time donation from Gary Bettman to contribute towards renovating Lynah, but it's quite another thing to convince Gary Bettman to donate tens of thousands of dollars every season to paying Cornell players. I imagine Gary Bettman spends little to no time thinking about Cornell Hockey.

That's problem #1: finding rich people willing to contribute continuously without donor fatigue.

Problem #2 is satisfying Ivy and NCAA rules regarding legitimate NIL. All payments over $600 are subject to NIL clearinghouse approval that the payment is for a "valid business purpose" commensurate with the payout. The Ivy rules against pay-for-play are probably even more onerous. The Ivies must approve any that any NIL deal above $2,000, and I'm sure they'll be looking at these harder than the clearinghouse.

Problem #3 is coordination. Here again the Ivy League has gotten in the way: "The eight Ivy athletic departments will begin signing attestations of independence for payments to athletes over $2,000 for an athlete's name, image, and likeness. An attestation of independence, in this context, is a signed document that claims that a NIL deal with an outside donor was not brokered by the signing institution's athletic department in any way." So it seems the Cornell athletic department and coaches can't "broker" NIL deals. It's not entire clear what "broker" means - can Casey hook a Cornell player up with a finance CEO, who herself brokers a deal? Or would any involvement by Casey whatsoever run afoul of this rule?

Hypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Is this $50,000/season or once?

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Ivy or not, how can the Ivy League stop a donor from paying one of our players to do some advertising for them, billboards, Instagram, commercials, a few de minimus appearances during the school year (in a manner that is only feasible if they are in Ithaca), etc.

I'm far from an expert on this, but have followed the college athlete litigation a decent amount.  The Ivy League can't get around the court decisions on NIL even if they don't/didn't opt into the settlement in the case relating to revenue sharing.

There's logistical issues in terms of the ability to coordinate with Ivy League teams about how to spend or use NIL, but I dont see a path for the League to prevent alumni from taking independent action to dissuade individual players from transferring.

Whether that will happen in practice is a fair question, but shrugging our shoulders because of the Ivy League is an oversimplification of the issue.

(This isn't meant to be an attack on or dismissal of anybody's individual comments, just trying to further discussion and understand this issue).

EDIT:  I'm seeing additional posts that were just made that may address this.

Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 03:24:12 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 03:22:05 PMHypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Again, that's only true if there's someone else who can and will pay the money which you keep declining to believe unless adam responds to your document subpoena.

First of all, that's not true. Cournoyer may want to leave for other reasons, but in my hypothetical $50K would overpower those reasons (e.g. a scholarship at Michigan).
Second, I have never denied NIL exists at all and in fact I've numerous times told Adam I could totally believe the best transfers are getting offered $50K (which is why I used this amount). $50K for the very best transfers is in line with NIL existing in college hockey but being a relatively minor factor in the scheme of things.
Third, my arguments have centered on non-Power 4 schools, not the Big 10, which very clearly could pay players a lot of money if they wanted to.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 15, 2026, 03:27:24 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 03:22:05 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:26:03 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:22:38 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 02:15:57 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 02:15:19 PMIt's better to launch an NIL collective than to not have one at all, but most teams have one, including Brown, and the mere existence of one doesn't really mean anything. What matters is whether rich donors are pumping money into it.

Sure... but I suspect there will be money pumped once word gets out.

Judging by the number of schools who have an NIL collective but no NIL money, I'm doubtful. It's good that this exists, but it doesn't change the reality of needing to find rich folks to start heavily contributing. Sounds hard to accomplish in practice. But if anyone here is rich and/or knows rich people who care about Cornell sports, now is your chance!

The thing is, Cornell has a lot of pretty rich alumni, many of whom like Cornell hockey. Hell, didn't Gary Fucking Bettman donate to renovate Lynah? I'm sure people will be found.

It's one thing to get a one-time donation from Gary Bettman to contribute towards renovating Lynah, but it's quite another thing to convince Gary Bettman to donate tens of thousands of dollars every season to paying Cornell players. I imagine Gary Bettman spends little to no time thinking about Cornell Hockey.

That's problem #1: finding rich people willing to contribute continuously without donor fatigue.

Problem #2 is satisfying Ivy and NCAA rules regarding legitimate NIL. All payments over $600 are subject to NIL clearinghouse approval that the payment is for a "valid business purpose" commensurate with the payout. The Ivy rules against pay-for-play are probably even more onerous. The Ivies must approve any that any NIL deal above $2,000, and I'm sure they'll be looking at these harder than the clearinghouse.

Problem #3 is coordination. Here again the Ivy League has gotten in the way: "The eight Ivy athletic departments will begin signing attestations of independence for payments to athletes over $2,000 for an athlete's name, image, and likeness. An attestation of independence, in this context, is a signed document that claims that a NIL deal with an outside donor was not brokered by the signing institution's athletic department in any way." So it seems the Cornell athletic department and coaches can't "broker" NIL deals. It's not entire clear what "broker" means - can Casey hook a Cornell player up with a finance CEO, who herself brokers a deal? Or would any involvement by Casey whatsoever run afoul of this rule?

Hypothetical: we need to pay Cournoyer $50,000 to stay. To pass all the above tests, we'd need an extremely rich donor  devoted to Cornell hockey. That donor would need to arrange some type of deal with Cournoyer that pays him $50,000 in exchange for $50,000 worth of services (legitimate NIL). And all this must be arranged without Casey's involvement. Each of these three steps seems like a very big hurdle to me.

Is this $50,000/season or once?

It's a made-up number. I happened to choose it because Adam has previously referenced some top transfers getting offered this much. (FWIW I saw elsewhere that Ryan Conmy, one of last year's top transfers, got $30K.)

Quote from: Snowball on April 15, 2026, 09:12:37 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

It also breaks the connection between the students and the players.  The idea of college sports was "One of Us."  If it's just hired guns like Kentucky basketball, why would anybody care?  It would be like rooting for the endowment.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

It also breaks the connection between the students and the players.  The idea of college sports was "One of Us."  If it's just hired guns like Kentucky basketball, why would anybody care?  It would be like rooting for the endowment.

I completely agree with this. It is the consequence of the end of amateurism.

Quote from: Pghas on April 15, 2026, 11:17:36 AMThink summer recruiting visits to my buddy's house on Cayuga would help?

If your buddy is Nieuwendyk.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 03:44:34 PM

Quote from: Snowball on April 15, 2026, 09:12:37 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

It also breaks the connection between the students and the players.  The idea of college sports was "One of Us."  If it's just hired guns like Kentucky basketball, why would anybody care?  It would be like rooting for the endowment.

I completely agree with this. It is the consequence of the end of amateurism.

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So hypothetically: CEO of widget factory ponies up $50k for Cournoyer for the 2026-27 season. It has to be completely "buyer beware". He might play awful...Casey has to bench him. Or maybe he gets in trouble with the law, and widget boss has to pony up to DA to slap him in the wrist (happens a lot in major college football schools). Or maybe he plays very well, and towards end of season he doesn't want to risk injury so he can get even more $$ next offseason. So he has phantom injury in ECAC tournament . He will need an agent to field all the offers...right now everyone is a free agent every year.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 15, 2026, 03:44:34 PM

Quote from: Snowball on April 15, 2026, 09:12:37 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:12:24 AMWow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

What I actually enjoy most about Cornell hockey isn't the chance for an NCAA run, though that's always fun, it's the season itself. The rhythm, watching a roster grow up together. Seeing freshmen turn into real players (Charlie Major!) and lines develop real chemistry over time.

If roster churn becomes constant, it's basically free agency every offseason. That continuity is gone and with it, a big piece of what made this program endearing.

It also breaks the connection between the students and the players.  The idea of college sports was "One of Us."  If it's just hired guns like Kentucky basketball, why would anybody care?  It would be like rooting for the endowment.

I completely agree with this. It is the consequence of the end of amateurism.

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Thirded.  I can handle players getting paid (albeit preferably not the insane amounts we see in football and basketball) but constant transfers and sham "students"-athletes will kill my love for this sport, just as it is doing for most of ncaa football/bball.

I'd even be alright if we weren't competitive for the national tournament.  I love Cornell hockey for the atmosphere, rivalries, high level play and passion.  If we have continuity in our teams and are competing for/winning the ECAC, that's the majority of what I watch for and enjoy.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a Frozen Four appearance and national title (more than any other pro or college sport), but the biggest threat in my eyes is being unable to keep players season over season and/or seeing teams turn into a bunch of mercenaries that'll jump ship without a second thought.

Agreed with all of you above. The special part of Cornell hockey is watching the men and women blossom year-on-year, rooting for your own, and forming memories that won't fade away.

I don't mind transfers if they're genuine - if they're looking for ice time, or a greater role they won't get at Cornell. Things like that, I understand. I even understand transferring for money if you're concerned about your ability to pay for future years at Cornell - which is what NIL should ideally help alleviate. But if we're moving, slowly but surely, to a "highest bidder" system... it's gonna be tough to watch.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

my feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

There are definitely kids in big cities making more than that but probably not at the places Cornell alumni can freely hire a bunch of hockey players.

Still curious how Penn basketball does all of this, unless that's all fake

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Quote from: Bluelightning on April 14, 2026, 07:49:13 PMI've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
    Ben Robertson leaving last year hit men hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

Robertson probably fucked up.

If we become a farm team for the blue bloods I'll just stop watching completely

Yes!  Just like I've done with professional sports and big college football and basketball.  There will be no relationship between the players and the school other than the school name on the uniform.  What's next?  Salary caps?  No interest here in that model.  Shame, but there are other things in life, and I've now had a 65-year run with Cornell hockey.  Good things sometimes come to an end.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

Finance interns don't get paid by the hour, right? If BigLaw is $40K for the summer I'd be surprised if a job at one of the big banks is less than half of that.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

Finance interns don't get paid by the hour, right? If BigLaw is $40K for the summer I'd be surprised if a job at one of the big banks is less than half of that.

No idea, I'm just going off what I see on Google.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

Finance interns don't get paid by the hour, right? If BigLaw is $40K for the summer I'd be surprised if a job at one of the big banks is less than half of that.

No idea, I'm just going off what I see on Google.

I would suspect a JP Morgan summer banking internship pays at least 25K, FWIW. Not saying those jobs are freely available to Cornell Hockey players though.

Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I went to a D3 school for undergrad.  There was surprising amount of excitement around club hockey due to a dedicated group of fans, but from what I heard that didn't survive after we graduated.  Generally speaking, the traditions and passionate crowds you want to see at college sporting events don't exist in most D3 sports.  Also, if you went to Cornell or another D1 school for undergrad, what connection would there be to a D3 school to get invested? 

Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I'd still be as much of a fan if we were pushed down into the perpetual underclass like we have been in football.   There would still be league drama against our long time rivals.  The games are the thing -- the 60 minute contests -- not the hedonic treadmill of accumulating stats and titles.

It has certainly been a fun cherry on top to get to the dance after a great season.  I would prefer that to continue.  I would miss it, but it wouldn't ruin the experience.  It would be on par with losing BU and BC in the Great Divorce.  It would not diminish my fandom at all.

As with everything else in life, the trophy case is cute and all, but at the end of the day... who gives a shit?  The game's the thing that I fell in love with.  The books and the classes were what mattered.  The degree's just a bit of paper.

I agree with all of these sentiments above, and I have argued over and over (not that anyone important cares or is listening to me) that all of the "athletes rights" advocates have no idea what hellscape they unleashed. Killing the goose that lays the golden egg comes is an obvious phrase that comes to mind.

The NCAA effed up by not having better arguments for itself. And "NCAA" really means -- all the school presidents in this country. By allowing the excesses to take place, it opened the door for those lawsuits, and here we are. It's not going back the other way.

For those who say they wouldn't mind rooting for a lesser team if there was continuity -- sure, but the "lesser" teams are going to have even less continuity, because their players will be jumping ship all the time (see: Atlantic Hockey)

For those that say the ideals would still work in D-III ... How is D-III any different than D-I in terms of athletes rights? They "work" the same amount of hours, under direct supervision. This fits the definition of an employee according to many. Should D-III have to pay their athletes minimum wage? That may happen one day. If so, goodbye D-III sports as well. Same goes for the Olympic D-I sports.

There are those who claim there is some needle that can be threaded where football/basketball gets paid like employees, and everyone else is not an employee. One sports lawyer wrote a 50 page document on how this would work, filled with holes. I tried to have this guy on our podcast, and he keeps saying no.  I don't believe such a needle exists.

Fans of "athletes rights" should've thought long and hard about the consequences. They ignored them all. They are greedy just like the colleges were in taking the big TV deals and paying coaches $10 million/year.  For the benefit of 1% (maybe) - they have screwed, in the long run, hundreds of thousands of student-athletes, and their fans.

If it's not college sports, a lot of people won't care - for all the reasons everyone articulated. It will survive for a while on the fact that some people just want to see their team win. But even then, it will be no different than pro sports, and many will say "well, if I want that, I'll just watch pro sports" and peel away. Which is why major league sports gets much higher attendance than minor league sports.  The attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

The only hope, I suppose, is some sort of Congressional action that reins some of it in. But LOL. Even if it happened, the odds of it happening in such a way that solved things materially, are as close to nil as you can get given the dysfunctional nature of our Congress.

But at least if Armageddon is around the corner, I know I'll have a College Hockey News exit strategy.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

OK. Well, I didn't attend Oswego so I'm not going to randomly start rooting for them in any case. If Cornell is no longer competitive and our best players are leaving ever year, I'm out.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

Connection to the school side, you can't seriously assert that the fan passion for d3 sports is comparable to d1. 

There are outliers, but generally d3 sports are not well attended or supported by the student body.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

Connection to the school side, you can't seriously assert that the fan passion for d3 sports is comparable to d1. 

There are outliers, but generally d3 sports are not well attended or supported by the student body.

The 50,000 that show up every other year for Ithaca-Cortland football at Yankee Stadium would disagree.

I would say that it's well supported on a relative scale. No one is showing up for D-I Wisconsin field hockey either (sorry Jane). Most D-III schools are smaller in the first place.

I think people are missing the fact that Cornell Hockey got popular in the first place because they were really good.

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as someone who's watched high school hockey in Ithaca where none of the players have any chance of going pro: the environment in a hockey game, in many cases, is what you make it. the fun in the game is what you make of it. there are ACHA programs that are super fun too - the aptly named South Carolina Gamecocks (https://www.cockhockey.com/) come to mind here!

I kinda just dislike the idea that "oh, if it's Div III, it's not worth watching". my core philosophy is that hockey is hockey, and hockey is fun no matter what. I'm not saying "let's all choose a DIII school to follow", and I certainly don't mean to discount the fact that the reason most of us enjoy Cornell hockey is because either we went to Cornell or have other ties to Cornell, but... don't paint with a broad brush, either.

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Does that say 49 points in 27 games???

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes as "athletes rights" because of the dislocation after the old rancid system collapsed than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its comforting stability hid continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will unionize and collectively bargain contracts that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fat and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  If you want to blame people for the dislocation now, blame the university presidents and the advertisers and the sports media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.  Maybe had they been less shortsighted and permitted a gradual evolution we would have avoided the pain of a revolution.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

Connection to the school side, you can't seriously assert that the fan passion for d3 sports is comparable to d1. 

There are outliers, but generally d3 sports are not well attended or supported by the student body.

The 50,000 that show up every other year for Ithaca-Cortland football at Yankee Stadium would disagree.

I would say that it's well supported on a relative scale. No one is showing up for D-I Wisconsin field hockey either (sorry Jane). Most D-III schools are smaller in the first place.

What is the average regular season game attendance? 

And there are plenty of large state schools that have D3 sports, its not a bunch of small schools.

I'm not trying to crap on D3 athletics (again, I had a great time attending D3 club hockey games in undergrad), but it's absurd to pretend your typical d1 sports teams are comparable to d3 teams in the same sports.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes as "athletes rights" because of the dislocation after the old rancid system collapsed than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

The explotation was ethically dubious, but I believe it was better for everybody except the athletes.  The free market doesn't arrive at the best results.  Take a look at this country...

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes because of the dislocation than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

Honestly I'm inclined to agree - I don't think athletes being compensated IN A VACUUM is the issue here and indeed I'd argue they should be, because that training, obligations, and all of it is a job in and of itself - and at the Ivies, they currently get no real compensation for doing that, not even scholarship.

I think the issue arises when you start entering the Bidding Wars, though. Because yes, you can argue for a fully free market where players are "paid what they're worth", but that will, imo, lead to a free agency system that's going to destroy the concept of a college athlete as someone who goes to school, partakes in the school community and also participates in athletics. At some point, you just have a hired gun system. But on the other hand, if a McKenna is "worth" 700k to a program, why should they be disallowed from paying him that amount?

No idea how to square the circle here. That's why I'm not in charge of doing it!

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

You make more than that as a waiter in Nantucket or The Hamptons in the summer.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 02:48:00 PMI don't think the problem will be getting the money. I think the issue will be how to distribute the money in such a way that flies by Cornell/Ivy/NCAA rules.  NIL is not a pay-for-play bucket. (and yes I know many teams get around this - but ... Ivy)

Exactly this.

I don't think I am violating any expectation of privacy by saying that at one of the Coach's Club luncheons, when Casey was talking about the concept of paid internships, he pointed out that the pay had to be commensurate with typical intern pay. So even if a rich alum were willing to pay a player $30K for a summer internship, that just can't happen.

And because of that, while I think the internship idea is nice, and could make the difference for some recruits between a program that has it and one that doesn't, it's not going to be the kind of game-changer that results in guys like Cournoyer not entering the portal.

Right - though I do think some finance summer internships can be in the range of 20-30k?

Actually I remember being surprised at how low a number Casey tossed out. If memory serves it was something like $6 or $7K. Nowhere near $20-$30, and definitely four figures.

That being said, it could be so early in the process that Casey may have just been throwing out a number that may not be accurate. It was a very informal statement.

I mean, again, I think I brought this up before - but BigLaw internships (so for graduate students in the legal profession at a soul-sucking job that I've crossed off my list on principle of survival) at market rate (Cravath scale, 10 weeks adjusted) are going for $40kish, from my understanding. Finance interning, let's say $25 an hour, 40 hours a week, 10 weeks, that's $10k. I think I brought this up before as well, but you can't pay a Cornell hockey player $100 an hour for interning and a non-hockey player $20 an hour interning at the same job.

You make more than that as a waiter in Nantucket or The Hamptons in the summer.

do you know anyone hiring there? genuinely, summer internship searching has been destroying me

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes as "athletes rights" because of the dislocation after the old rancid system collapsed than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

The explotation was ethically dubious, but I believe it was better for everybody except the athletes.  The free market doesn't arrive at the best results.  Take a look at this country...

It's actually worse for the vast majority of athletes. It's mostly just better for the top 1% of football and men's basketball players.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes as "athletes rights" because of the dislocation after the old rancid system collapsed than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

The explotation was ethically dubious, but I believe it was better for everybody except the athletes.  The free market doesn't arrive at the best results.  Take a look at this country...

It's actually worse for the vast majority of athletes. It's mostly just better for the top 1% of football and men's basketball players.

Where's the graphic for me and BL's sympatico alignment here???

Totally agree, as I said before.  I don't buy for 1 tiny second that 99.9% of athletes were being "exploited" ... You've thrown an entire system out because college hoarded football cash and used it to create shiny new buildings and pay coaches instead of players.  If they just capped coach salaries, or something - put in some guardrails - none of this would've happened.

where will quote-unquote athletes rights be when 50% of all athletic programs are gone? Will the cross-country athlete who had their scholarship revoked and program collapse believe they are now better off for this change?

Comparing it to the Emancipation Proclamation is woefully absurd.

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Quote from: ugarte on April 15, 2026, 04:29:28 PMmy feeling about this, as always, is that i share a romantic attachment to college sports (and cornell sports in general) but that it remains improper to pretend that there is a place to regulate a maximum wage to preserve the ability to preserve the number of schools able to compete at the top level. college sports is now a multibillion dollar business. it is effectively a near-free minor league for professional sports. as such, the players should get paid a market wage. NIL is a jury-rigged solution to that conflict.

the place for romantic amateurism is in division iii, which has all of the virtues you seek but (apparently) none of the competition you want to watch.

I'm not interested in arguing about the ethics of paying or not paying athletes, but we're all Cornell fans, so obviously we aren't going to randomly start following D-III sports. I root for Cornell because I went there and loved attending the hockey games (and occasionally other sports like lacrosse).  I would not have had that experience at a D-III school. If athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

I dunno, man, one of my poker buddies went to Oswego and brought us to a game up there several years ago (Saturday night, following him joining us for the Friday night game at Lynah), and he and his fellow alums seemed just about as nuts for their program as we've been for ours. No scholarships, very few possibilities of going pro, but plenty of school spirit and love for the game. Maybe your experience would've been different, no idea - but there definitely isn't an inherent lack of devotion to hockey at D-III schools.

Connection to the school side, you can't seriously assert that the fan passion for d3 sports is comparable to d1. 

There are outliers, but generally d3 sports are not well attended or supported by the student body.

The 50,000 that show up every other year for Ithaca-Cortland football at Yankee Stadium would disagree.

I would say that it's well supported on a relative scale. No one is showing up for D-I Wisconsin field hockey either (sorry Jane). Most D-III schools are smaller in the first place.

What is the average regular season game attendance?

I don't know anymore - probably 3 to 4,000 when I was there. The school has 5,500 students.

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New recruit from WHL

Does that say 49 points in 27 games???

Perhaps it got corrected, but it now says 49 points in 67 games.

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Does that say 49 points in 27 games???

Perhaps it got corrected, but it now says 49 points in 67 games.

It was corrected. 49 in 27 would be like, McKenna numbers.

At this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

I mean, the Goalie Shuffle is still ongoing. You never know what might pop up...

I'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand. But the truth is the transfer portal was really set up so the kids who were recruited and signed in attending university and then don't get the kind of ice opportunity that they want can seek that opportunity, not for people to seek upward mobility within the system, which theoretically really shouldn't work. But Browne is losing one of their best players to Dartmouth. That's kind of a shitty thing. It makes you wonder if people's commitment needs to be longer than it is unless they're not given an opportunity or ice time.

Maybe they come up with a system where the coach submits a list of 10 or 15 names, probably closer to 10, of kids who are protected and can't enter the transfer portal. That way the top players on every team can't be poached away by other top teams. Otherwise what you're gonna have is a real imbalance of power in the system is really gonna fall apart. And that is not the way this is supposed to work. Coaches are supposed to recruit before kids start college, not during college be able to fill them away. If we're gonna run it like pro sports, then let's run it like pro sports. No fair everybody being a hired gun year to year.

Quote from: Pghas on April 16, 2026, 08:34:48 AMI'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand. But the truth is the transfer portal was really set up so the kids who were recruited and signed in attending university and then don't get the kind of ice opportunity that they want can seek that opportunity, not for people to seek upward mobility within the system, which theoretically really shouldn't work. But Browne is losing one of their best players to Dartmouth. That's kind of a shitty thing. It makes you wonder if people's commitment needs to be longer than it is unless they're not given an opportunity or ice time.

Maybe they come up with a system where the coach submits a list of 10 or 15 names, probably closer to 10, of kids who are protected and can't enter the transfer portal. That way the top players on every team can't be poached away by other top teams. Otherwise what you're gonna have is a real imbalance of power in the system is really gonna fall apart. And that is not the way this is supposed to work. Coaches are supposed to recruit before kids start college, not during college be able to fill them away. If we're gonna run it like pro sports, then let's run it like pro sports. No fair everybody being a hired gun year to year.

A "restricted list" in the current environment? Never going to fly.

Yes, a restricted list would be struck down by courts in 5 seconds

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

I doubt anyone here actually knows the answer to this, but is Silverstein academically qualified for Cornell?  Attending Q makes me question this, even with some of the breaks given to athletes here sometimes.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

I doubt anyone here actually knows the answer to this, but is Silverstein academically qualified for Cornell?  Attending Q makes me question this, even with some of the breaks given to athletes here sometimes.

Most schools in this country that play D-1 hockey are the same academic caliber as Quinnipiac.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

I doubt anyone here actually knows the answer to this, but is Silverstein academically qualified for Cornell?  Attending Q makes me question this, even with some of the breaks given to athletes here sometimes.

Most schools in this country that play D-1 hockey are the same academic caliber as Quinnipiac.

Cornell is not most schools.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 09:41:39 PMAt this point our best bet is probably ex-Quinnipiac goalie Dylan Silverstein.

I doubt anyone here actually knows the answer to this, but is Silverstein academically qualified for Cornell?  Attending Q makes me question this, even with some of the breaks given to athletes here sometimes.

Most schools in this country that play D-1 hockey are the same academic caliber as Quinnipiac.

Cornell is not most schools.

Sure, but if we can't take a transfer from Q then we can't take a transfer from almost anywhere. We took Ashton from Minnesota State Mankato last season, we took Cournoyer from the CHL. (Ashton seems like a smart kid actually, but I don't think there is any legitimate academic distinction between Mankato and Q.) I doubt there are any issues with Silverstein's academic qualifications, to answer you question more directly.

Quote from: Pghas on April 16, 2026, 08:34:48 AMI'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand.

This, 100% agree. You get it.

We'll find our new Mr. Goaltender, and Courns aint it. Perhaps he goes on to a great career. He's probably a good kid. I wish him luck, but, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I will pop a bottle of champagne when his team is eliminated next season, and it will be something good when Cornell is still alive.
He should, IMO, stay here. But he's not, so Bon Voyage, Peewee. Everyone on this board was stoked (and speculating) to see what Roest was going to bring to the table 3 seasons ago. I feel a little bad for Keopple. That's sports, though.
And FWIW- Courns isn't even in the top 40 of Cornell Goaltenders for single season shutouts. Except that one came against Harvard, so kudos for that.  He never took over a game. He never stood solid while I cringed and gasped and clenched my toes only to see the puck swallowed by his mitt. He played well enough. Looking forward to who's next.

I thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

Zero players transferring out of HYP. Zero transferring out of Dartmouth and even one transferring in. Three non-graduates transferring out of Brown, though they had a coaching change. Cournoyer stands alone as an Ivy player to transfer out without a coaching change.

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Quote from: Pghas on April 16, 2026, 08:34:48 AMI'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand.

This, 100% agree. You get it.

We'll find our new Mr. Goaltender, and Courns aint it. Perhaps he goes on to a great career. He's probably a good kid. I wish him luck, but, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I will pop a bottle of champagne when his team is eliminated next season, and it will be something good when Cornell is still alive.
He should, IMO, stay here. But he's not, so Bon Voyage, Peewee. Everyone on this board was stoked (and speculating) to see what Roest was going to bring to the table 3 seasons ago. I feel a little bad for Keopple. That's sports, though.
And FWIW- Courns isn't even in the top 40 of Cornell Goaltenders for single season shutouts. Except that one came against Harvard, so kudos for that.  He never took over a game. He never stood solid while I cringed and gasped and clenched my toes only to see the puck swallowed by his mitt. He played well enough. Looking forward to who's next.

I think I said this before - but Courns was effectively League Average for most of his time here. A friend and I were running the numbers, and, as per him (I didn't fact check this in depth but I absolutely believe it):

After Courns's "hot start" and first 7 games (so from Red Hot on), his sv% for the rest of the season was sub-.900, putting him around #80 for all college goalies.

After those 7 games, his 10-game rolling average sv% was never above .913, which is good for maybe #40 for college goalies.

And, in his words, "You saw Shane's shitty season - which was still better than Courns's last 20 games."

I dunno if it was stress, fatigue, or what - maybe Casey knew something we didn't when he was platooning Keopple and Courns. But the point stands that after November, Cournoyer's numbers were actually pretty pedestrian. (And, unlike a guy like Yegorov, you can't point to a hot mess on D as being part of the culprit.)

So literally all we need is someone league average to be competitive for the ECAC and secure an NCAA playoff berth. We don't even need a guy who can make the tough saves. Just league average.

Problem is, are Roest or Katz going to be the answer, even temporarily, or are we going to find someone else?

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Quote from: Pghas on April 16, 2026, 08:34:48 AMI'm going to choose to believe that losing Cornoyer is not going to be the disaster we are worried it could be.

Denver was a great team playing well for sure.  But let's be honest- Denver was totally overmatched in the frozen four.  Hicks won that Natty for them. Cornoyer was great, would love to have him back.  But Cornell split with Colgate, Princeton, Quinnipiac and Dartmouth.  Lost one to Harvard in the quarters, lost to Princeton in ECAC semis.  Blown out by Denver in NCAAs. He didn't steal a single game for us.  He made saves and was very solid.  A team like Wisconsin will look at him and say well if he'd been in goal maybe he's good enough to get us over the Natty line.  But he is not a Hicks.  Honestly Cornoyer stock goes up much more if he has faith in himself, stays at Cornell, and this year does steal a few games and we ride him to an ECAC title or frozen four berth.  Playing behind a strong annual contender and being good enough doesn't get you to the next level.

Now I have no idea what else is it play. For all I know, he doesn't like Cornell, or the academics are too hard for him, which he discovered after a truncated recruitment process, or perhaps the locker room, environmental coaching environment is toxic to him or not great. And those are all reasons to leave that I totally understand.

This, 100% agree. You get it.

We'll find our new Mr. Goaltender, and Courns aint it. Perhaps he goes on to a great career. He's probably a good kid. I wish him luck, but, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I will pop a bottle of champagne when his team is eliminated next season, and it will be something good when Cornell is still alive.
He should, IMO, stay here. But he's not, so Bon Voyage, Peewee. Everyone on this board was stoked (and speculating) to see what Roest was going to bring to the table 3 seasons ago. I feel a little bad for Keopple. That's sports, though.
And FWIW- Courns isn't even in the top 40 of Cornell Goaltenders for single season shutouts. Except that one came against Harvard, so kudos for that.  He never took over a game. He never stood solid while I cringed and gasped and clenched my toes only to see the puck swallowed by his mitt. He played well enough. Looking forward to who's next.

I think I said this before - but Courns was effectively League Average for most of his time here. A friend and I were running the numbers, and, as per him (I didn't fact check this in depth but I absolutely believe it):

After Courns's "hot start" and first 7 games (so from Red Hot on), his sv% for the rest of the season was sub-.900, putting him around #80 for all college goalies.

After those 7 games, his 10-game rolling average sv% was never above .913, which is good for maybe #40 for college goalies.

And, in his words, "You saw Shane's shitty season - which was still better than Courns's last 20 games."

I dunno if it was stress, fatigue, or what - maybe Casey knew something we didn't when he was platooning Keopple and Courns. But the point stands that after November, Cournoyer's numbers were actually pretty pedestrian. (And, unlike a guy like Yegorov, you can't point to a hot mess on D as being part of the culprit.)

So literally all we need is someone league average to be competitive for the ECAC and secure an NCAA playoff berth. We don't even need a guy who can make the tough saves. Just league average.

Problem is, are Roest or Katz going to be the answer, even temporarily, or are we going to find someone else?

Yes, agree. He had to earn his spot every night as 1A to play ahead of Koepple. I'm sure he's going to have to battle for starts against Roest and probably Cirka, if he's coming this season, and definitely against whoever Casey pulls out of the QMJHL or the Portal.

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 05:32:59 PMIf athletes getting paid ruins Cornell's ability to compete, then I (and sounds like most others here) will quit following and just do something else with my/our time. That's one of many costs to the end of amateurism even if you happen to think it's a fairer system overall.

correct. similarly, if you can not afford to pay your busboy minimum wage you should bus your own tables or not open a restaurant.

Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMI have argued over and over (not that anyone important cares or is listening to me) that all of the "athletes rights" advocates have no idea what hellscape they unleashed. Killing the goose that lays the golden egg comes is an obvious phrase that comes to mind.

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For those that say the ideals would still work in D-III ... How is D-III any different than D-I in terms of athletes rights? They "work" the same amount of hours, under direct supervision. This fits the definition of an employee according to many. Should D-III have to pay their athletes minimum wage? That may happen one day. If so, goodbye D-III sports as well. Same goes for the Olympic D-I sports.

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Fans of "athletes rights" should've thought long and hard about the consequences. They ignored them all. They are greedy just like the colleges were in taking the big TV deals and paying coaches $10 million/year.  For the benefit of 1% (maybe) - they have screwed, in the long run, hundreds of thousands of student-athletes, and their fans.

If it's not college sports, a lot of people won't care - for all the reasons everyone articulated. It will survive for a while on the fact that some people just want to see their team win. But even then, it will be no different than pro sports, and many will say "well, if I want that, I'll just watch pro sports" and peel away ...

But at least if Armageddon is around the corner, I know I'll have a College Hockey News exit strategy.

The athletes, who schools value, should be able to get their worth in the market of the college sports business. Full stop. College football is a money machine as are some other sports to varying degrees in fewer locations. The accounting on all of it is, as everyone knows, janky as hell - on purpose. Those of us who advocated to pay the players knew exactly what we were asking for.

The difference between D-I and D-III isn't that there is less work to playing sports but there is less of a pie to be distributed. There is not the kind of market for Division III volleyball players that would be converted to a bidding war. It is borderline unfathomable to have read - in the wake of the massive tv contracts that led to bloated coaches' salaries and team training facilities built to compete with Versailles - that the players were being "equally greedy" for demanding to be cut in on the spoils. You can tell me that the players should back off when football stops piling so much money on glitz promoted as in-kind benefits. Just write a check.

College sports becoming "just pro sports but worse" or canonizing the student-athlete are arguments that the colleges themselves have been making in bad faith for decades. As I'm sure you know, student-athlete was a lawyer-invented nomenclature specifically designed to make the charnel house of college football exempt from workers' compensation obligations. It did so despite the quite open mercenary acquisition of ringers. Adding a layer of schmaltz by acting as if those football players are students just like we were and we root for them as fellow students ignores just how much of college sports fandom is driven by proximity, not by alumni. Alabama sports fans don't have a local pro team to root for. The Crimson Tide are the local pro team.

I'm glad you have an exit strategy from CHN because I fear your material interest in the ongoing vitality of college sports is clouding your judgment on who gets to pick the winners and losers and why they should.

Quote from: ugarte on April 16, 2026, 10:48:49 AMThe athletes, who schools value, should be able to get their worth in the market of the college sports business. Full stop. College football is a money machine as are some other sports to varying degrees in fewer locations. The accounting on all of it is, as everyone knows, janky as hell - on purpose. Those of us who advocated to pay the players knew exactly what we were asking for.

The difference between D-I and D-III isn't that there is less work to playing sports but there is less of a pie to be distributed. There is not the kind of market for Division III volleyball players that would be converted to a bidding war. It is borderline unfathomable to have read - in the wake of the massive tv contracts that led to bloated coaches' salaries and team training facilities built to compete with Versailles - that the players were being "equally greedy" for demanding to be cut in on the spoils. You can tell me that the players should back off when football stops piling so much money on glitz promoted as in-kind benefits. Just write a check.

College sports becoming "just pro sports but worse" or canonizing the student-athlete are arguments that the colleges themselves have been making in bad faith for decades. As I'm sure you know, student-athlete was a lawyer-invented nomenclature specifically designed to make the charnel house of college football exempt from workers' compensation obligations. It did so despite the quite open mercenary acquisition of ringers. Adding a layer of schmaltz by acting as if those football players are students just like we were and we root for them as fellow students ignores just how much of college sports fandom is driven by proximity, not by alumni. Alabama sports fans don't have a local pro team to root for. The Crimson Tide are the local pro team.

I'm glad you have an exit strategy from CHN because I fear your material interest in the ongoing vitality of college sports is clouding your judgment on who gets to pick the winners and losers and why they should.

I'm sorry - but if you work, you work.  Walmart doesn't get to stop paying their employees if they fail to turn a profit.  If a D-III athlete fits the definition of work -- which it does, according to the judge in the Dartmouth case -- then they will have to get the same minimum wage as every other athlete.  Football players can make more on top of that -- but every college athlete will fit the definition of work.

This will, again, in turn cause schools to drop athletics entirely.  Especially so in D-I where non-revenue athletes get scholarships.  That will not happen.  So - again - the opportunities will disappear for hundreds of thousands of kids.  This is already happening just due to the landscape now.  Declaring everyone an employee will only make it worse.

You can cite the legalities all day long - but if you think that's a good idea, then ... what else is there to say. We have a fundamental disagreement on the value of collegiate athletics to a person, and to the greater college community. The fact that colleges EFFED this all up with their greed does not therefore mean it's wonderful to throw the baby out with the bath water, or that we should all be championing such as the solution.

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Quote from: adamw on April 15, 2026, 05:58:11 PMThe attachment to the college, your alma mater, or some other close attachment (hello) is what makes it what it is.  Take it away, and there's nothing left.

And there is the market mitigating factor which in the end will restore a new balance.

The transition between states looks like it is going to suck, but in the end we'll reach a new equilibrium in which athletes are compensated and the sports generate revenue.  You can no more argue against what you blithely dismiss with patronizing quotes because of the dislocation than you could argue against the Emancipation Proclamation because it interfered with property rights.

The old system was exploitative. It needed to die.  Its stable was just a smoke screen for continuing to fuck the athletes over.  The future will take care of itself.  If the fans are turned off by churn then the pie will shrink, the athletes will lose, and the athletes themselves will adopt rules that protect the emotional connection of the teams to the fans while also fairly compensating them.

I know we were all fat and happy before, but hey we were fast and happy in 1965 with gas at $1 a barrel.  When people are getting screwed they upset the apple cart.  Perhaps if you want to blame people for the dislocation now it's the university presidents and the sports enablers and the media who rode the horse knowing full well the bill would come due someday, but not giving a shit because they were all getting their slice.

Honestly I'm inclined to agree - I don't think athletes being compensated IN A VACUUM is the issue here and indeed I'd argue they should be, because that training, obligations, and all of it is a job in and of itself - and at the Ivies, they currently get no real compensation for doing that, not even scholarship.

I think the issue arises when you start entering the Bidding Wars, though. Because yes, you can argue for a fully free market where players are "paid what they're worth", but that will, imo, lead to a free agency system that's going to destroy the concept of a college athlete as someone who goes to school, partakes in the school community and also participates in athletics. At some point, you just have a hired gun system. But on the other hand, if a McKenna is "worth" 700k to a program, why should they be disallowed from paying him that amount?

No idea how to square the circle here. That's why I'm not in charge of doing it!

To be brutally frank, the ideal of the student-athlete as a sincere everyday student has, with notable exceptions from time to time, in D-1 and its precursors, been a farce since the 40s in football and the 80s in basketball.  There are of course student athletes who are engaged in academic pursuit and wonder.  But not most.  Most are, if not rockheads, at most the equivalent of the typical business undergrad sweating out four irritating years of interruptions of their partying to obtain a credential and go make $$$ and never think again.  We should just have them mail the check and give them the degree at admissions and save them, their professors, and the rest of us the annoyance of babysitting them for four years.

That's all most revenue sport student athletes are.  So even when they stayed for four years, they weren't "one of us," unless you consider us to be emotionally checked out mercenaries with the imagination of a floor wax.

I like to believe Cornell hockey players are different.  Their parents sure seem wonderful.  And I otherwise keep my distance because some Comfort Myths I just don't want debunked.

Quote from: ugarte on April 16, 2026, 10:48:49 AMI'm glad you have an exit strategy from CHN because I fear your material interest in the ongoing vitality of college sports is clouding your judgment on who gets to pick the winners and losers and why they should.

What?????

That feels like shooting the messenger. Adam has spent a lot of time walking us through what these changes mean for college hockey. You can disagree, but reducing it to self-interest is unfair.

Sidenote - the ? ? ? -> ??? emoji pisses me off

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 06:14:26 PMSidenote - the ? ? ? -> ??? emoji pisses me off

Well sorry, but I actually typed four "?"  and somehow that emoji auto inserted, so I don't even know what

? ? ? -> ??? emoji

means. Please tell me.

Quote from: Snowball on April 16, 2026, 07:21:58 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 06:14:26 PMSidenote - the ? ? ? -> ??? emoji pisses me off

Well sorry, but I actually typed four "?"  and somehow that emoji auto inserted, so I don't even know what

? ? ? -> ??? emoji

means. Please tell me.

???

When I chose it above it inserted 3 question marks - meaning I assume "what?"

More posters should consider using it - sorry stereax.

Quote from: marty on April 16, 2026, 07:52:27 PM

Quote from: Snowball on April 16, 2026, 07:21:58 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 06:14:26 PMSidenote - the ? ? ? -> ??? emoji pisses me off

Well sorry, but I actually typed four "?"  and somehow that emoji auto inserted, so I don't even know what

? ? ? -> ??? emoji

means. Please tell me.

???

When I chose it above it inserted 3 question marks - meaning I assume "what?"

More posters should consider using it - sorry stereax.

It's a good emoji! Just the keybind pisses me off, because I can't be like "THEY'RE CHALLENGING IT???" without the emoji showing up.

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 08:53:15 PM

Quote from: marty on April 16, 2026, 07:52:27 PM

Quote from: Snowball on April 16, 2026, 07:21:58 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 06:14:26 PMSidenote - the ? ? ? -> ??? emoji pisses me off

Well sorry, but I actually typed four "?"  and somehow that emoji auto inserted, so I don't even know what

? ? ? -> ??? emoji

means. Please tell me.

???

When I chose it above it inserted 3 question marks - meaning I assume "what?"

More posters should consider using it - sorry stereax.

It's a good emoji! Just the keybind pisses me off, because I can't be like "THEY'RE CHALLENGING IT???" without the emoji showing up.

OK then,

? ? ? ?

!!!!

Must almost be summer at eLF.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 17, 2026, 10:32:45 AMMust almost be summer at eLF.

Just wait until finals are over and we can peer at who has under a 3.0 GPA 😭

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Quote from: ugarte on April 16, 2026, 10:48:49 AMI'm glad you have an exit strategy from CHN because I fear your material interest in the ongoing vitality of college sports is clouding your judgment on who gets to pick the winners and losers and why they should.

What?????

That feels like shooting the messenger. Adam has spent a lot of time walking us through what these changes mean for college hockey. You can disagree, but reducing it to self-interest is unfair.

1. He's a big boy, he can handle criticism.
2. I don't think I reduced it to self-interest.
3. @adamw is incorrect about the meaning of Dartmouth's unionization effort. There was not a judicial ruling that the players were employees; there was a 2024 ruling by an NLRB regional office recognizing the bargaining unit. Dartmouth did not accept that decision and was refusing to bargain. Dartmouth's actions were setting up an unfair labor practice hearing backstopped by a battle in federal court if they lost. This isn't nitpicking, it's a significant difference. The case wasn't likely to get to federal court. The NLRB didn't get a quorum until December 2025 and once it had a quorum a Trump NLRB was never going to uphold that decision. Dartmouth's players knew it and withdrew their attempt to unionize.

We are a very, very long way from the Amherst shortstop being considered a school employee.

Pretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Official, as per McNally.

I like the term that he "signed" (https://x.com/i/status/2045196253814821027) with Wisc.

Now that he is officially gone, I will say that it is my suspicion that Cournoyer was one of the worst students to ever don a Cornell uniform.

I wish him all the worst

Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 02:23:44 PMI wish him all the worst

careful, if you say stuff like this a bunch of folks on here are going to stalk your elynah posts for the next 15 years

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 02:00:49 PMNow that he is officially gone, I will say that it is my suspicion that Cournoyer was one of the worst students to ever don a Cornell uniform.

I assume you mean academically, lol. We'll have some inkling of that once the academic lists come out. Wasn't literally like, everyone but Charlie Major on it last year?

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 02:25:07 PM

Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 02:23:44 PMI wish him all the worst

careful, if you say stuff like this a bunch of folks on here are going to stalk your elynah posts for the next 15 years

ngl I thought this courn guy was the start of something beautiful akin to dryden but man it sucks. I hope the McNally report shows some kind of academic struggle or financial issues having forced him to look elsewhere (I doubt any of these could have been the cause though).

Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 02:37:24 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 02:25:07 PM

Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 02:23:44 PMI wish him all the worst

careful, if you say stuff like this a bunch of folks on here are going to stalk your elynah posts for the next 15 years

ngl I thought this courn guy was the start of something beautiful akin to dryden but man it sucks. I hope the McNally report shows some kind of academic struggle or financial issues having forced him to look elsewhere (I doubt any of these could have been the cause though).

His year wasn't anything special by Cornell goaltending standards but it was a very good year for a freshman with further room to grow. Most of all it totally screws us going forward, as we have no starter next year. Unfortunately I doubt McNally is really going to dig into what happened, the Sun's sports coverage never wants to rock the boat but it would be great to at least get Casey on record.

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Quote from: arugula on April 17, 2026, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Does he like apples? I'll take the man to Applefest myself if it seals the deal 😂

Quote from: stereax on April 17, 2026, 03:17:51 PM

Quote from: arugula on April 17, 2026, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Does he like apples? I'll take the man to Applefest myself if it seals the deal 😂

What the hell is Applefest?  We used to hit the Cornell Apple Store or whatever it was called on our trips to Ithaca.  After that shut down I wished Cornell apples nothing but the worst.  I hoped they all rotted on the trees and that the ones that fell to the ground fed the famous Lacus faber apis.

I loved the apples from Cornell but now they are nothing but vinegar to me.

Quote from: ugarte on April 17, 2026, 11:29:23 AM1. He's a big boy, he can handle criticism.
2. I don't think I reduced it to self-interest.
3. @adamw is incorrect about the meaning of Dartmouth's unionization effort. There was not a judicial ruling that the players were employees; there was a 2024 ruling by an NLRB regional office recognizing the bargaining unit. Dartmouth did not accept that decision and was refusing to bargain. Dartmouth's actions were setting up an unfair labor practice hearing backstopped by a battle in federal court if they lost. This isn't nitpicking, it's a significant difference. The case wasn't likely to get to federal court. The NLRB didn't get a quorum until December 2025 and once it had a quorum a Trump NLRB was never going to uphold that decision. Dartmouth's players knew it and withdrew their attempt to unionize.

We are a very, very long way from the Amherst shortstop being considered a school employee.

Yes, I get called an idiot 5 times a day on twitter - so I'll be fine.

It may have been an NLRB regional director, not a judge -- but the point is that the person put out a ruling where it specifically obliterated the rationale that athletes are not employees just because they are in non-revenue sports. That's the point I was alluding to. Because I don't believe threading the needle will be possible. I will try to find it.

Quote from: adamw on April 17, 2026, 03:59:12 PM

Quote from: ugarte on April 17, 2026, 11:29:23 AM1. He's a big boy, he can handle criticism.
2. I don't think I reduced it to self-interest.
3. @adamw is incorrect about the meaning of Dartmouth's unionization effort. There was not a judicial ruling that the players were employees; there was a 2024 ruling by an NLRB regional office recognizing the bargaining unit. Dartmouth did not accept that decision and was refusing to bargain. Dartmouth's actions were setting up an unfair labor practice hearing backstopped by a battle in federal court if they lost. This isn't nitpicking, it's a significant difference. The case wasn't likely to get to federal court. The NLRB didn't get a quorum until December 2025 and once it had a quorum a Trump NLRB was never going to uphold that decision. Dartmouth's players knew it and withdrew their attempt to unionize.

We are a very, very long way from the Amherst shortstop being considered a school employee.

Yes, I get called an idiot 5 times a day on twitter - so I'll be fine.

It may have been an NLRB regional director, not a judge -- but the point is that the person put out a ruling where it specifically obliterated the rationale that athletes are not employees just because they are in non-revenue sports. That's the point I was alluding to. Because I don't believe threading the needle will be possible. I will try to find it.

https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d4583c5ebe4

QuoteLike the graduate student research assistants and teaching assistants in Columbia University, and like the football players in Northwestern University, the basketball players at issue here perform work which benefits Dartmouth. While there is some factual dispute as to how much revenue is generated by the men's basketball program, and whether that program is profitable, the profitability of any given business does not affect the employee status of the individuals who perform work for that business.

I don't believe this is as far away from a likelihood as ugarte does. All it would take is a different president.

Quote from: marty on April 17, 2026, 03:50:36 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 17, 2026, 03:17:51 PM

Quote from: arugula on April 17, 2026, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 17, 2026, 01:23:28 PMPretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Does he like apples? I'll take the man to Applefest myself if it seals the deal 😂

What the hell is Applefest?  We used to hit the Cornell Apple Store or whatever it was called on our trips to Ithaca.  After that shut down I wished Cornell apples nothing but the worst.  I hoped they all rotted on the trees and that the ones that fell to the ground fed the famous Lacus faber apis.

I loved the apples from Cornell but now they are nothing but vinegar to me.

One of the most fun weekends in Ithaca. (https://www.downtownithaca.com/apple-harvest-festival-2025/)

A lot of good street food, games, and assorted other things to buy. Aka: heaven, for someone like me.

Quote from: adamw on April 17, 2026, 04:09:21 PMI don't believe this is as far away from a likelihood as ugarte does. All it would take is a different president.

And Supreme Court. The current court's position on NIL - precluding the NCAA from blocking outside employment or self-exploitation - says nothing about how they'd feel about the employer/employee relationship a college has with its athletes.

Quote from: BearLoverUnfortunately I doubt McNally is really going to dig into what happened, the Sun's sports coverage never wants to rock the boat but it would be great to at least get Casey on record.

Oh the young and their lack of interest in history.

Paging Jeremy Schaap (Sun Sports Editor 88-89 IIRC.)

The Sun broke the story that eventually brought down Cornell's Football HC Maxie Baughn, who had guided the team to an Ivy title the season before (1988). 

The Sun isn't online from that timeframe, unfortunately, to show you, but I have a visceral memory of reading Schaap's commentary accompanying the story as he detailed the deliberations at the Sun over whether or not to publish the story.

Considering the story was that HC Baughn had been having an affair with his Assistant Coach's wife, that was a brave decision to publish it.

Can anyone break this paywall? (https://x.com/i/status/2045264895277424852)

Cournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

(https://media.tenor.com/s1wnF2DiWA0AAAAM/skeptical-futurama.gif)

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Next level? That's classy.

I say good riddance. I hope he winds up riding the pine at Wisconsin. He can feel good opening and closing the door for his new level of teammates.

wow fuck this dude

"Next level".

What.

Karma is a beatch 😡

No, but what the fuck does he mean by next level??? Did he watch that stupid McKenna Hobey video on loop and get convinced that the ECAC isn't real NCAA hockey?

Quote from: stereax on April 17, 2026, 08:45:38 PMNo, but what the fuck does he mean by next level??? Did he watch that stupid McKenna Hobey video on loop and get convinced that the ECAC isn't real NCAA hockey?

well if you put it that way, he may have a point 😁.jk a former yale goalie doing very well with the sabres. Ezac teams can def produce good goalies.

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Wisconsin definitely told him to add that "right after" to anything he said.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXvZapA8xO6zMncdFmL4EGY7luOTtpYrQUTIN8ZyRSNUTLWx1PdzOOjg3ZvMPDc_PKQosauzzOz5yTA3qcjcSaTSa3qLS2bvp5tbbjs9vL&s=10

https://x.com/russbites/status/2045298327080612033?s=20

Will karma bite us?

Quote from: Cornell troll on April 17, 2026, 09:17:38 PMhttps://x.com/russbites/status/2045298327080612033?s=20

Will karma bite us?

Holy shit we're getting Zadvernyuk??? Man that's nice.

Just realized: EASTERN EUROPEAN WHO'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A LINEUP MAINSTAY. INSTANT NEW FAVORITE.

McMahon confirms, McNally retweets. (https://x.com/i/status/2045321217716998446)

2026-27 Cornell Big Red: winning every game 5-4, Outscore Your Problems 💜

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Here friends, may Paywalls never bother you again:


https://www.removepaywall.com/

The portal window was 15 days, right?  Does that mean Walsh will not go to the portal, meaning we could still lose him to the pros but not another school?

Quote from: stereax on April 17, 2026, 10:22:32 PMMcMahon confirms, McNally retweets. (https://x.com/i/status/2045321217716998446)

2026-27 Cornell Big Red: winning every game 5-4, Outscore Your Problems 💜

It was good enough for Nethery and Tredway.

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Here friends, may Paywalls never bother you again:


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Merci!

I figured because it was a tiny site, that standard paywall breakers wouldn't work. But archive did the trick! (https://archive.is/20260417221918/https://badgerextra.com/sports/hockey/men/addition-from-transfer-portal-shakes-up-wisconsin-mens-hockey-goalie-position/article_9262496c-7744-4578-b057-b8979bd70a69.html)

Quote from: Trotsky on April 17, 2026, 10:51:15 PMThe portal window was 15 days, right?  Does that mean Walsh will not go to the portal, meaning we could still lose him to the pros but not another school?

I think the portal is still open until April 27th.

From my (very) limited interactions with Walsh, yammerings around Lynah, and every understanding I have from articles, interviews, etc... that man isn't going to transfer. He might sign a pro contract (at this point, he would definitely do that over the summer if he does), but he seems to value the Cornell degree very strongly. I would have a VERY hard time believing he transfers, especially because the places he'd transfer are either WAY worse off than Cornell or terrible academically. Or both.

Plus, and this is again my speculation, he seems to be very... I dunno the word. Cognizant of the captainly responsibility? Loyal? Dedicated? You get my gist here.

And he has his BFF Kraft here. They've played together for ages.

Put all of that together, and Walshy is either gonna be in Ithaca or Providence next year.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 17, 2026, 10:51:15 PMThe portal window was 15 days, right?  Does that mean Walsh will not go to the portal, meaning we could still lose him to the pros but not another school?

I think the portal is still open until April 27th.

Yes, it opened the day after the title game and closes April 27.

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

But hey, that argument that we want the ECAC to be a weak conference sure holds up.

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Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

But hey, that argument that we want the ECAC to be a weak conference sure holds up.

somehow i doubt the sole reason he went to wisconsin was a "new level". although that's rich to say!

Quote from: stereaxsomehow i doubt the sole reason he went to wisconsin was a "new level". although that's ASSHOLISH to say!

Fixed your post...

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 10:09:21 AMI thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 10:09:21 AMI thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

I said more were coming - you said I was crazy - but somehow you're vindicated. LOL. (just teasing on this one - let's not get into 20 messages of arguments.)

I don't think they're done.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 10:09:21 AMI thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

I said more were coming - you said I was crazy - but somehow you're vindicated. LOL. (just teasing on this one - let's not get into 20 messages of arguments.)

I don't think they're done.

They do know we only have four lines right 😅

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Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 10:09:21 AMI thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

I said more were coming - you said I was crazy - but somehow you're vindicated. LOL. (just teasing on this one - let's not get into 20 messages of arguments.)

I don't think they're done.

I did NOT say you were crazy dude. I was just saying I didn't understand how they'd fit within our roster. I still don't, unless we plan to carry 35 players.

Good thing we got Zadvernyuk, we needed a center bad. Hes probably our 3C next year if Walsh stays. This does make for a crowded roster but I wouldn't be surprised to see guys like Wehman, Hughes or Armstrong sent back for a last year of juniors for that reason. We could even send Dec back but I think he'll be a really valuable piece next year.

Quote from: chimpfood on April 18, 2026, 12:36:13 AMGood thing we got Zadvernyuk, we needed a center bad. Hes probably our 3C next year if Walsh stays. This does make for a crowded roster but I wouldn't be surprised to see guys like Wehman, Hughes or Armstrong sent back for a last year of juniors for that reason. We could even send Dec back but I think he'll be a really valuable piece next year.

I was trying to find online whether Zadvernyuk is a C. If so, then this makes more sense and seems like quite a good pickup.

New plan: start 17 forwards and XV.

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Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Next level? That's classy.

I say good riddance. I hope he winds up riding the pine at Wisconsin. He can feel good opening and closing the door for his new level of teammates.

Cournoyer just created a million BearLovers.

BTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

I'm glad people are finding reasons to root against players who quit on Cornell, but I wouldn't read too much into Cournoyer's "next level" comment. That's just gobbledygook. Something happened at Cornell that led him to ditch - my guess, he was struggling academically and didn't want to deal with being a serious student anymore. Yes, playing in the Big10 is nice, Wisconsin's facilities are nice, NIL (whatever it may be) is probably nice. But look at the many good players Cornell has, Harvard has, Dartmouth has. How many are transferring out? Just one: Cournoyer. The one* singular guy who transferred out of the Ivy League is the one who committed as a CHL late-bloomer. That's no coincidence.

*other than like one Brown guy to Northeastern after a coaching change

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

That makes sense and comports with my thoughts (our posts crossed). You obviously have more inside knowledge than I do, but this really did not seem like a Big 10 poaching situation. Rather, it seems like Cournoyer wanted out for some reason.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

I think Cournoyer is taking a huge risk for potentially little reward.

Best case scenario he beats out Hauser for the starting spot, and winds up starting for a team that may be marginally better than Cornell, with a marginally higher profile, in a marginally better league.

Worst case scenario Wisconsin figures out that "it was the system" at Cornell, decides Hauser is actually stronger, and Cournoyer sits most of the year, waiting to transfer again.

I think objectively it was a bad move on his part.

Went back to our goalie numbers since 07-08 and there was only one year where our goalies had a worse save percentage than Cournoyer this year, and that was last year. He was far from some savior for us. I was hopeful he could develop into a good player for us, so I think his loss is more of a long term blow and we won't actually see that much of a difference in goal next season (assuming we scrounge up a half decent starter, I fear that Roest and Katz suck).

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

I said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

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Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

I think Cournoyer is taking a huge risk for potentially little reward.

Best case scenario he beats out Hauser for the starting spot, and winds up starting for a team that may be marginally better than Cornell, with a marginally higher profile, in a marginally better league.

Worst case scenario Wisconsin figures out that "it was the system" at Cornell, decides Hauser is actually stronger, and Cournoyer sits most of the year, waiting to transfer again.

I think objectively it was a bad move on his part.

The thing is, I don't even know if Wisconsin is better than Cornell or if they just went on a 24-25 March Big Red Linsanity run!

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

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Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

I think Cournoyer is taking a huge risk for potentially little reward.

Best case scenario he beats out Hauser for the starting spot, and winds up starting for a team that may be marginally better than Cornell, with a marginally higher profile, in a marginally better league.

Worst case scenario Wisconsin figures out that "it was the system" at Cornell, decides Hauser is actually stronger, and Cournoyer sits most of the year, waiting to transfer again.

I think objectively it was a bad move on his part.

The thing is, I don't even know if Wisconsin is better than Cornell or if they just went on a 24-25 March Big Red Linsanity run!

Yeah. That's why I wrote "may be marginally better." I'm not willing to concede that they are/will be.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

We're trying to win the most games possible though. Yes, we can field a reasonable team with a league average goalie, but we want to make the NCAAs. We need someone better than that. I believe Ivies cannot take transfers with only one year of eligibility remaining, so that limits our options further.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

Looks like he's spent 3 years in college, so him coming here would require him to be willing to take an extra year before graduation because you can't transfer that many credits to Cornell and graduate in 1. Started at BC so may well have the academics for it, but seems unlikely that he'd want to push graduation back, especially if he has pro aspirations.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

Teagan Kendrick is still out there - I earmarked him as being a good idea a day or three ago. 3 years of eligibility left, I think he had like +7 GSAx in some 15-20 games this year.

There's also Nick Avakyan from Clarkson, who I flag mostly because Clarkson and so likely has had interaction with Casey in the past.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

Looks like he's spent 3 years in college, so him coming here would require him to be willing to take an extra year before graduation because you can't transfer that many credits to Cornell and graduate in 1. Started at BC so may well have the academics for it, but seems unlikely that he'd want to push graduation back, especially if he has pro aspirations.

Oops. I hadn't realized he played at BC before Q. Never mind - not possible. Disregard that I said he's our best option. He is not an option.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

We're trying to win the most games possible though. Yes, we can field a reasonable team with a league average goalie, but we want to make the NCAAs. We need someone better than that. I believe Ivies cannot take transfers with only one year of eligibility remaining, so that limits our options further.

Okay, find me a good goalie in the portal. You yourself just said the best we might have is Silverstein. (Who isn't even an option, as we figured out above.) It's VERY slim pickings. But you need A guy, unless you have some unfounded faith in Roest or Katz, both of whom I'm pretty sure were expecting to finish their college careers as backups.

At this point, our best bet is probably to tamper with a goalie who isn't in the portal yet.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:13:15 AMAt this point, our best bet is probably to tamper with a goalie who isn't in the portal yet.

Shhh. Not tampering. Inquiring about interest. Or whatever the hell you wanna call it.

Our pipeline at G is ass (lbr here) in part because Casey and most sane individuals anticipated Courns to stay here at least 3 years. Even if you bring Cirka in early (imo, terrible idea), I don't think he'd be better than Roest or Katz. Roest and Katz are not NCAA starting goalies, and we know that because neither has done anything so far besides a couple of exhibition minutes.

So we have no help coming and a goalie room that's basically backups. And you can't even really blame Casey for it because you don't recruit in a way that means you have two starting goalies on your roster.

You gotta find a portal goalie. Somehow, somewhere. Even if the portal goalie is worse than both Roest and Katz, at least you tried something.

Looking like no great options in the portal tbh. The hope is that others enter soon. The starting job is there for the taking, so you'd hope a solid goalie would take the leap.

Mathis Rousseau seems like the best option

Quote from: Trotsky on April 17, 2026, 10:51:15 PMThe portal window was 15 days, right?  Does that mean Walsh will not go to the portal, meaning we could still lose him to the pros but not another school?

I'm an idiot.  The portal opened on 4/13 and closes on 4/28.

Another possibility.  Say we were down to the wire recruiting a goalie who is incoming in September 2026, but he chose elsewhere worried he would be stuck behind Alexis for 3 years.  Well, life just changed.  And if we pursued him the academics is there.

Would it be scummy of him to double back?  In the new environment I don't even know anymore.  It may be that now everything, every day is contingent.  "Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

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Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

We're trying to win the most games possible though. Yes, we can field a reasonable team with a league average goalie, but we want to make the NCAAs. We need someone better than that. I believe Ivies cannot take transfers with only one year of eligibility remaining, so that limits our options further.

Okay, find me a good goalie in the portal. You yourself just said the best we might have is Silverstein. (Who isn't even an option, as we figured out above.) It's VERY slim pickings. But you need A guy, unless you have some unfounded faith in Roest or Katz, both of whom I'm pretty sure were expecting to finish their college careers as backups.

While I think Casey and staff are looking for a replacement no one here should consider Roest and Katz to be un-spongeworthy.  Ian Shane was the third goalie IIFC when he jumped to number one after Mike gave him a shot his freshman year.

Casey on the other hand may have a much better idea concerning Roest and Katz.

And now that I am thinking about this - didn't Ben Scrivens also have to earn his way into the top spot?

I also have looked at stats of our 2 current goalies trying to find a shimmer of hope. I know stats really don't mean anything at all when it involves kids. Neither Roest or Katz have much to get excited about. However I looked at Ian Shane's stats pre-Cornell and I would have said he would have been lucky to dress for Cornell. Good thing I'm not in charge.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 18, 2026, 06:09:46 AMI also have looked at stats of our 2 current goalies trying to find a shimmer of hope. I know stats really don't mean anything at all when it involves kids. Neither Roest or Katz have much to get excited about. However I looked at Ian Shane's stats pre-Cornell and I would have said he would have been lucky to dress for Cornell. Good thing I'm not in charge.

Typically, goalies take longer to develop than either forwards or defensemen, and defensemen develop slower than forwards.

Both

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 18, 2026, 06:09:46 AMI also have looked at stats of our 2 current goalies trying to find a shimmer of hope. I know stats really don't mean anything at all when it involves kids. Neither Roest or Katz have much to get excited about. However I looked at Ian Shane's stats pre-Cornell and I would have said he would have been lucky to dress for Cornell. Good thing I'm not in charge.

And Mike chose him third the year he broke out so you're in good company.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:52:18 AMI'm glad people are finding reasons to root against players who quit on Cornell, but I wouldn't read too much into Cournoyer's "next level" comment. That's just gobbledygook. Something happened at Cornell that led him to ditch - my guess, he was struggling academically and didn't want to deal with being a serious student anymore. Yes, playing in the Big10 is nice, Wisconsin's facilities are nice, NIL (whatever it may be) is probably nice. But look at the many good players Cornell has, Harvard has, Dartmouth has. How many are transferring out? Just one: Cournoyer. The one* singular guy who transferred out of the Ivy League is the one who committed as a CHL late-bloomer. That's no coincidence.

*other than like one Brown guy to Northeastern after a coaching change

The Rancor vindicated again!

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Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:00:37 AMI said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

It only takes one!

Also to keep in mind is that both Katz and Roest, especially the latter, were considered legitimate D1 goalie prospects as recruits. Roest was the starting goalie for the Canadian West team that won the Junior A challenge, but then he struggled back in juniors. But as I believe has been mentioned, Shane struggled before getting to Cornell, so there is precedence.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:59:56 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

How does anyone know that Roest/Katz cannot be replacement level.  Np one has seen them play. Recall Shane was a third string guy who got thrown in because Schaf was dissatisfied with Howe/MacDonald and boom he beats UND twice.  Maybe it is the system. 

Besides, how do you know they're both wonderful individuals?

Quote from: arugula on April 18, 2026, 09:14:55 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:59:56 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

How does anyone know that Roest/Katz cannot be replacement level.  Np one has seen them play. Recall Shane was a third string guy who got thrown in because Schaf was dissatisfied with Howe/MacDonald and boom he beats UND twice.  Maybe it is the system. 

Besides, how do you know they're both wonderful individuals?

Johnny Hicks was a Tennessee State commit, before the program got delayed. No one knows what can happen, which is why they play the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to entice another Cournoyer to consider studying Agricultural Economics. Selling him on being about to take Wines as a freshman.

If anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:25:17 AMIf anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Special situation. I don't remember the full details but Morris had created a lot of animosity at SLU and didn't last long

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:25:17 AMIf anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Long story short, he played 24 games in the ECHL and now sells real estate in Florida.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 18, 2026, 02:56:37 AMAnother possibility.  Say we were down to the wire recruiting a goalie who is incoming in September 2026, but he chose elsewhere worried he would be stuck behind Alexis for 3 years.  Well, life just changed.  And if we pursued him the academics is there.

Would it be scummy of him to double back?  In the new environment I don't even know anymore.  It may be that now everything, every day is contingent.  "Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

I have heard so many "scummy" stories this week. I'm not publishing them on CHN because, honestly, they've become so frequent, it's practically not news anymore. We'll be doing some articles that are summaries of this week and what not. But the stories are pretty crazy. One kid "committed" to Bowling Green from the portal. At the last second, another school swooped in and offered the kid double, so he switched. The agent sent a text to BG apologizing. And at this point, if Cornell had to do the same, could you blame them?

Quote from: Iceberg on April 18, 2026, 10:29:59 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:25:17 AMIf anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Special situation. I don't remember the full details but Morris had created a lot of animosity at SLU and didn't last long

I know. But I'm just talking about his numbers.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:34:10 AM

Quote from: Iceberg on April 18, 2026, 10:29:59 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:25:17 AMIf anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Special situation. I don't remember the full details but Morris had created a lot of animosity at SLU and didn't last long

I know. But I'm just talking about his numbers.

He tanked without any defense around him.

Quote from: arugula on April 18, 2026, 09:14:55 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:59:56 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 12:45:45 AMBTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

How does anyone know that Roest/Katz cannot be replacement level.  Np one has seen them play. Recall Shane was a third string guy who got thrown in because Schaf was dissatisfied with Howe/MacDonald and boom he beats UND twice.  Maybe it is the system. 

Besides, how do you know they're both wonderful individuals?

The walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 10:32:39 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 18, 2026, 02:56:37 AMAnother possibility.  Say we were down to the wire recruiting a goalie who is incoming in September 2026, but he chose elsewhere worried he would be stuck behind Alexis for 3 years.  Well, life just changed.  And if we pursued him the academics is there.

Would it be scummy of him to double back?  In the new environment I don't even know anymore.  It may be that now everything, every day is contingent.  "Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

I have heard so many "scummy" stories this week. I'm not publishing them on CHN because, honestly, they've become so frequent, it's practically not news anymore. We'll be doing some articles that are summaries of this week and what not. But the stories are pretty crazy. One kid "committed" to Bowling Green from the portal. At the last second, another school swooped in and offered the kid double, so he switched. The agent sent a text to BG apologizing. And at this point, if Cornell had to do the same, could you blame them?

That one who got like 35k?

The other thing you guys fail to realize is even IF we go in with a Roest/Katz tandem, we will only have 2 goalies rostered.

If/when one gets hurt, we are fucked.

You simply HAVE to get a third goalie. Somehow, some way. Whether it's portal, super late recruit, whatever. But I don't think any team nowadays has only 2 rostered goalies.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

Sorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Data point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 11:37:45 AMData point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Telling/interesting stat, but if you separate out the Ivies it looks quite a bit different for us. Literally just Cournoyer and one Brown player to leave the conference. 

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 11:37:45 AMData point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Squinting. How do these numbers add up?

Are they including guys in the portal who haven't landed yet?

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 11:37:45 AMData point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Big 10 is big mad they still don't have a Natty.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 11:23:44 AMSorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/887321/nick-cirka)

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:08:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 11:23:44 AMSorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/887321/nick-cirka)

I assume EP just lists a player as matriculating at college the next year they aren't accounted for on a roster. So if Cirka isn't yet on a roster for next season, they mark him as matriculating at Cornell. I'd be very surprised if this happens.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:08:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 11:23:44 AMSorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/887321/nick-cirka)

I assume EP just lists a player as matriculating at college the next year they aren't accounted for on a roster. So if Cirka isn't yet on a roster for next season, they mark him as matriculating at Cornell. I'd be very surprised if this happens.

EP is FREQUENTLY wrong about when players matriculate.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:13:18 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

They haven't had in-game experience in one or two years, depending on which one you choose. That's my point. That's the problem. Yes, they train with the Cornell players, staff, etcetera. They haven't been in a real game in a long time, though.

There's a reason backup goalies at the NCAA level almost never continue with hockey.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:23:48 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:13:18 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

They haven't had in-game experience in one or two years, depending on which one you choose. That's my point. That's the problem. Yes, they train with the Cornell players, staff, etcetera. They haven't been in a real game in a long time, though.

There's a reason backup goalies at the NCAA level almost never continue with hockey.

Everyone goes to Beer League eventually.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:44:27 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:23:48 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:13:18 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on April 18, 2026, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 10:40:13 AMThe walls at Lynah have ears and eyes :)

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

They haven't had in-game experience in one or two years, depending on which one you choose. That's my point. That's the problem. Yes, they train with the Cornell players, staff, etcetera. They haven't been in a real game in a long time, though.

There's a reason backup goalies at the NCAA level almost never continue with hockey.

Everyone goes to Beer League eventually.

All routes lead to beer league 😌

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: The Rancor on April 18, 2026, 12:08:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 11:23:44 AMSorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/887321/nick-cirka)

I assume EP just lists a player as matriculating at college the next year they aren't accounted for on a roster. So if Cirka isn't yet on a roster for next season, they mark him as matriculating at Cornell. I'd be very surprised if this happens.

EP *attempts* to have it for the year they are incoming, but it's wrong a lot.  We have a deal with EP where we pull in their data, so if you go here:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/roster/Cornell/18

You can see what it has for Cornell players in one spot.

Quote from: stereax on April 17, 2026, 11:23:00 PM

Quote from: RichH on April 17, 2026, 11:21:48 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 17, 2026, 07:39:47 PMCournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

But hey, that argument that we want the ECAC to be a weak conference sure holds up.

somehow i doubt the sole reason he went to wisconsin was a "new level". although that's rich to say!

New income level, maybe.   >:(

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AMBut in any case,
I think you were missing the bigger picture.

Why deflect the other person's points?
What did the coach say when you went out for Debate Club?

McNally on the transfer. (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2026/04/freshman-goaltender-alexis-cournoyer-transfers-to-wisconsin)

Nothing really new here that we haven't seen or covered, except even she insinuates that $ could be at play.

Quote from: billhoward on April 18, 2026, 04:38:16 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 01:17:02 AMBut in any case,
I think you were missing the bigger picture.

Why deflect the other person's points?
What did the coach say when you went out for Debate Club?

You're quoting a snippet of something I posted three days ago without providing any additional context so I have no idea what you're responding to.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 05:19:20 PMMcNally on the transfer. (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2026/04/freshman-goaltender-alexis-cournoyer-transfers-to-wisconsin)

Nothing really new here that we haven't seen or covered, except even she insinuates that $ could be at play.

I'd advise everyone to pretty much ignore any quotes from Cournoyer. It's the same as every kid in the country. It's the same as Robertson. "need a better place, somewhere I could do my best, some other cockamamie reason" ... Denver just lost Hagen Burrows to Notre Dame. I'm sure he'll say the same thing. Is anyone going to take that seriously - that leaving Denver for Notre Dame is great for his development?

Every coach in the country is dealing with this - sometimes 5 times over. Just this week.  It would be better for everyone's blood pressure if they just rolled their eyes and moved on - coaches included.

Quote from: adamw on April 18, 2026, 06:35:16 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 05:19:20 PMMcNally on the transfer. (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2026/04/freshman-goaltender-alexis-cournoyer-transfers-to-wisconsin)

Nothing really new here that we haven't seen or covered, except even she insinuates that $ could be at play.

I'd advise everyone to pretty much ignore any quotes from Cournoyer. It's the same as every kid in the country. It's the same as Robertson. "need a better place, somewhere I could do my best, some other cockamamie reason" ... Denver just lost Hagen Burrows to Notre Dame. I'm sure he'll say the same thing. Is anyone going to take that seriously - that leaving Denver for Notre Dame is great for his development?

Every coach in the country is dealing with this - sometimes 5 times over. Just this week.  It would be better for everyone's blood pressure if they just rolled their eyes and moved on - coaches included.

Oh, no, I know. I just find it funny that even McNally points out the NIL $.

So we are "stuck" with Erick Roest as our goalie unless we "tamper"
With another team's goalie and lure them to Ithaca. So let's make sure Roest sees
The least amount of shots and shore up the defense. Hoyt bailing doesn't help. But possibly we can find something amazing in the portal. If not then we have to score a lot.
We have been very fortunate in goal for awhile. Galadja, Shane, Cournoyer/Koepple. Too bad Jack O'Brien is graduating. He's bailed us out playing different positions. I'd put him in goalie pads and give him a crack

We appear to have a goalie from Maine per the Instagram

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:52:39 AMMathis Rousseau seems like the best option

BL vindicated again

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 08:23:20 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 01:52:39 AMMathis Rousseau seems like the best option

BL vindicated again

BL VINDICATED AGAIN.

QMJHL goalie (shocker).

Scoring a goalie goal. (https://x.com/i/status/2045665608973291541)

Looks like he might have played for team Canada at some point.

Excellent. I can go back to complaining about small goalies. Otoh small goalies are trendy now.

Rousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Quick overview of him pre-Maine. (https://thehockeynews.com/qmjhl/latest-news/former-world-junior-star-qmjhl-champion-rousseau-commits-to-maine) World Juniors guy. Very nice to hear that.

The coaching staff made the best of a tough situation. I am curious when Cournoyer broke the news, and whether it came as a complete shock.

Looking at the portal this year, there were only a few goalies who satisfied the following criteria:

• started at least half of their team's games
• didn't have a "do not contact" label i.e. didn't already have a set destination
• had at least two years of undergrad remaining, i.e. could transfer into Cornell without having to burn a ton of credit

They were the following:

• Quentin Miller - probably the best goalie in the portal, we likely never had a chance. Transferred to WMU
• Rorke Applebee - .914 sv% for LSSU, transferred to Quinnipiac days ago. I don't know anything about this guy but if we were aware sooner of Cournoyer ditching maybe we could have been competitive for him
• Teagan Kendrick - .920 sv% for Sacred Heart, transferred to UNH. Same thoughts as for Applebee

So basically there was a surefire good goalie in Miller, two guys who had good numbers in weaker leagues, and everyone else didn't play much or we couldn't get for one reason or another. Given the limitations, getting a guy with a solid pedigree who had a not-great but not-abysmal year in a strong conference (HE) is about as good an outcome as we could have hoped for.

As for Rosseau's game, I haven't watched him play and I'd have little idea what I'm talking about even if I had. It will be interesting to see how he does in Cornell's system. At the very least, he's serviceable, and given he's been good in the past he may have a reasonably high ceiling.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 08:50:32 PMQMJHL goalie (shocker).

Scoring a goalie goal. (https://x.com/i/status/2045665608973291541)

Looks like he might have played for team Canada at some point.

The above is funny because three days ago...

Quote from: marty on April 15, 2026, 07:10:45 AM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 15, 2026, 02:24:31 AMSorry about Cournoyer. Yes, really. Anything bad for a league team is bad for all teams in the league, although I make an exception for Union. They lost their leading scorer whose name I can't spell and am too lazy to look up.

I often get information about RPI players in a do-not-reveal mode. A while back, I heard about a CHL player whom RPI was after. I didn't expect RPI to get him for a reason which would probably reveal who he is. Anyway, he committed to Cornell in the last couple of days. I could not find anything on line yet which is typical. He won't in any way replace Cournoyer, but he should be a significant contributor on offense.

Mitch Gillam's cousin?  ;)

....the joke to ususminor was based on this:

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 08:50:32 PMQMJHL goalie (shocker).

Scoring a goalie goal. (https://x.com/i/status/2045665608973291541)

Looks like he might have played for team Canada at some point.

I like where this is going.

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

As for Courns, he will be challenged by Hauser who was a very solid Big10 frosh goalie last year and came within a dropped stick of winning it all.

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

Umm. That does not sound right.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

Umm. That does not sound right.

I think the joke is Courns said that about going to Wisconsin. So maybe Rousseau wanted to do the same, but for academics.

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today.

Umm. That does not sound right.

I used AI, but it does feel in the ball park.

Schools with Lower General Academic Rankings
Based on the 2026 National University Rankings, some schools playing D1 hockey are ranked in the lower tiers of major publications like U.S. News & World Report and the NCSA Power Rankings.
University of Maine: Ranked #257 nationally, making it one of the lower-ranked public institutions in the competitive Hockey East conference.
Bemidji State University: Often ranks in the regional categories rather than the national university tier, typically placing it lower in overall academic prestige compared to national research universities.
Augustana University (SD): As a newer D1 program, it is generally ranked in the Regional Universities (Midwest) category (#11) rather than the national tier.
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Team Academic Performance (APR)
The Academic Progress Rate (APR) measures real-time academic success and retention specifically for the hockey team. While hockey consistently has some of the highest APR scores in the NCAA (average above 980), some programs have historically lower margins.
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Lowest Historically: While most programs maintain high scores, schools in the Atlantic Hockey America (AHA) conference sometimes show more fluctuation in APR compared to the perfect 1000 scores seen at Penn State or Notre Dame.
Academic Attrition: Schools like Stonehill College and Lindenwood University, which are relatively new to the Division I level, are still establishing their long-term academic data profiles compared to legacy programs.
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Summary of Lower-Tier Academic Schools in D1 Hockey
School    Conference    General Academic Context
University of Maine    Hockey East    Ranked #257 National Universities.
Bemidji State    CCHA    Ranked in Regional (Midwest) categories.
Augustana (SD)    CCHA    New D1 program; Regional Mid-tier prestige.
Lindenwood    Independent    New D1 program with evolving academic metrics.
Would you like a comparison of admissions requirements (SAT/GPA) for these schools to see which has the most accessible entry standards.

Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 11:56:28 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

Umm. That does not sound right.

I think the joke is Courns said that about going to Wisconsin. So maybe Rousseau wanted to do the same, but for academics.

I got that. I was saying Old Red's second sentence seemed wrong.

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Quote from: stereax on April 18, 2026, 11:56:28 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: Old Red on April 18, 2026, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 18, 2026, 08:58:23 PMRousseau could prove to be be an upgrade on Courns. Good to see our Quebec pipeline is still running strong.

Maybe he just wanted to "jump to the next level" academically.  Maine may be the lowest ranked D1 college playing hockey today. 

Umm. That does not sound right.

I think the joke is Courns said that about going to Wisconsin. So maybe Rousseau wanted to do the same, but for academics.

I got that. I was saying Old Red's second sentence seemed wrong.

Ah... yeah I mean, there are some dreadful academic teams out there and Maine is a state school...

I've never heard of anyone using the transfer portal for primarily academic reasons, but if it's even half the reason we got Rousseau, it would reflect well on the young man...who hopefully has a right-sized ego.

Quote from: imafrshmn on April 19, 2026, 01:41:40 AMI've never heard of anyone using the transfer portal for primarily academic reasons, but if it's even half the reason we got Rousseau, it would reflect well on the young man...who hopefully has a right-sized ego.

Possibly Gabe Seger.  Union engineering vs Cornell engineering.  But IDK.

I have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

I think some of it has to do with the fact that Cornell actually wants him to attend class.

Possibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
     An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 08:54:25 AM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Forwards and onwards! Hopefully we get a nice article about Rousseau soon.

Apparently he is also nicknamed Rooster, like Roest, haha.

Hopefully Roest and Katz see a path to the starting job and push very hard this offseason.

I doubt Circa is here this fall. He would benefit from another year in juniors

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 09:42:03 AMHopefully Roest and Katz see a path to the starting job and push very hard this offseason.

More competition is always a very, very good thing.

I would pencil Rousseau in as the night 1 starter. But in pencil.

Quote from: scoop85 on April 19, 2026, 10:03:59 AMI doubt Circa is here this fall. He would benefit from another year in juniors

Agreed 100%. Let him get ice time and develop.

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 09:30:49 AMApparently he is also nicknamed Rooster, like Roest, haha.

Not Stereax level, but...(https://i.ibb.co/8DNfmyWg/20260419-120255.jpg)

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 08:54:25 AM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Since winning the natty in 2006, they've lost in the national championship game once in 2010 and been to the NCAA tournament 5 times, 4 of which they got bounced in the first round.  Over that same period ( Cornell lost 1-0 in the regional finals to the national championship team) Cornell has been to the tournament 10 times.  And while there are some weaker teams in the ECAC, let's not make believe they are rolling over a bunch of patsies on their way to the dance every year. 

I don't know I just think it was a bad choice by him. But I'm biased!

Quote from: The Rancor on April 19, 2026, 08:54:25 AM

Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Wisconsin isn't a perennial powerhouse. They're weird! They've been ass (like, well below .500) several times since the Big 10 started (2013-14). They've had 5 seasons over .500 and 8 below in that stretch.

The good seasons have been very good, and they're certainly a historic contender that doesn't surprise anyone when they're good, but they've also had some awful years recently.

I wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

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Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Wisconsin isn't a perennial powerhouse. They're weird! They've been ass (like, well below .500) several times since the Big 10 started (2013-14). They've had 5 seasons over .500 and 8 below in that stretch.

The good seasons have been very good, and they're certainly a historic contender that doesn't surprise anyone when they're good, but they've also had some awful years recently.

Wisconsin's (lack of) success the past two decades doesn't have much bearing on their current situation. They now have a really good coach, recent success, and are in the Big 10, which is already well ahead of the rest of the country in resources with that gap continuing to grow.

Which isn't to say Cournoyer made a good decision. Also, it's not clear he made a decision to leave Cornell so much as he couldn't handle being a real student, or any number of other reasons he had to leave.

Quote from: stereaxApparently he is also nicknamed Rooster, like Roest, haha.

Call whichever guy wins the starting job Roostest.

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Quote from: Bluelightning on April 19, 2026, 06:42:41 AMPossibly Rousseau is coming here mainly because he is thinking (or told) he won't have to split  playing time. He had to split time with Albin Boija in Maine. When Boija was on his game, he was better than Rousseau (4 shutouts, 2 decent games at Denver, etc). But when Boija was off it was gross.
    An athlete entering the portal because he wants a better education? That would be refreshing. He has an amazing opportunity presented to him now: start for Cornell hockey and possibly graduate with Ivy League degree. Win-win.
      Amazing how placated I feel getting Rousseau even after comparing game by game stats to Cournoyer. It was our best (and probably only) option and Casey got it done. Hats off to him. He came to Cornell with impossible shoes to fill. Did great job in season 1 but now has lost top goaltender, forward and one of top defensemen before their senior year.

This is a good pick up, but he will have to battle for starts against Roest, and presumably Katz, as well as Cirka who may or may not come this season, but next year for sure.

Quote from: Pghas on April 19, 2026, 06:17:43 AMI have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with Cornoyer's decision and also the way he is handling it.  Maybe he really hated Cornell because kit strikes me as unusual for any player to not at least acknowledge his current team and coaching staff.  I guess the competition in the big ten is better but idk.  I think their coaching staffs are using that idea to poach higher level players from the ECAC. I also don't understand -as far as I can tell Wisconsin just went on a run.  They are not a perennial powerhouse.  Plus as someone mentioned above Cornoyer is going to have to compete for his spot.  I don't know I guess there is lots more behind the scenes that I don't know about. 

Agree with you, seemed really unclassy to make the 'level up comment' when Cornell was 2 games away from losing in the Championship too.
That said, Wisconsin is definitely a perennial powerhouse, the last few seasons they haven't won the big one, but they have 6 times- and 9 for the women.
Yeah the last one was in '06 but I'm not sure we can talk smack on that one. For sure the old WCHA and the Big 10 are tough hockey leagues, but Cornell has held it's own against them. So, yeah something else happened, or maybe it was the plan all along. But it doesn't matter because we have a new set of goalies, an awesome freshman class returning for more as sophomores and (for now) our Captain- and of course our Coach. We skate on.

Wisconsin isn't a perennial powerhouse. They're weird! They've been ass (like, well below .500) several times since the Big 10 started (2013-14). They've had 5 seasons over .500 and 8 below in that stretch.

The good seasons have been very good, and they're certainly a historic contender that doesn't surprise anyone when they're good, but they've also had some awful years recently.

Wisconsin's (lack of) success the past two decades doesn't have much bearing on their current situation. They now have a really good coach, recent success, and are in the Big 10, which is already well ahead of the rest of the country in resources with that gap continuing to grow.

Which isn't to say Cournoyer made a good decision. Also, it's not clear he made a decision to leave Cornell so much as he couldn't handle being a real student, or any number of other reasons he had to leave.

They've had FOUR 20 loss seasons this decade, including 2024-25 with this same coach. It's such a feast or famine program, and it's difficult to figure out what's happening.

Back in the Joe Marsh era, SLU would have a predictable success rate based on his recruiting cycle. Every 3-4 years or so, SLU would blast into the NCAA tournament and then fall into the cellar as a huge senior class would graduate.

College hockey has a history of the non-traditionals having a 2-3 year window of power. The Lake State, Maine, Vermont, UNH, Notre Dame, Miami, Yale, Union, UMass stretches...usually led by great coaches having an emergent moment or striking gold with a Gostisbehere or Makar or Kariya. Given the chaos of The Portal NIL revolution, it's suddenly a lotto jackpot win to be a program having one of those RIGHT NOW. Suddenly the portal jumpers who think "I want to win!" are looking at Western Michigan thinking "powerhouse" when they've been anything but throughout their history. Crazy times.

Strike while the iron is hot, and it is scalding this year. Get TV exposure and Pope Bucci singing your praises, and all the stars on bad teams are looking up your number. Is it good for Cornell? Well we have been a consistent name in the tournament and at least eastern folks know of our tradition and steady success. And suddenly OOC games at Lynah are quietly a recruiting tool.

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Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 09:30:49 AMApparently he is also nicknamed Rooster, like Roest, haha.

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Hold on...

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Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

Heisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

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Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

Between him, Wehmann, Tuminaro, and Armstrong, could be a bit of a problem, but we'll see.

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Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

Between him, Wehmann, Tuminaro, and Armstrong, could be a bit of a problem, but we'll see.

Don't forget the OG penalty king Fegaras in this one!

But we did lose two guys who always seemed to take penalties at the wrong time [Stanley and Casty] soooo. Gotta give the PK something to do!

Don't get me wrong Cournoyer is a good goalie, but he is as superstitious as they come. Most goalies are to some degree.
My prayer with every game was that CU would score first. That is the only way he could play with confidence. How many times did he give up a softie early in a game, usually short side because he didn't snug his pads against the pipe?
Usually the offense could right the ship, but sometimes he would give up a fluke 2nd goal and it was all downhill from there. After a third Casey would likely pull him for Koepple because he knew the opposition were now in his head.
Maybe Wisconsin will improve his skills and confidence or he'll be spending a lot of time on the bench in that conference.

Maybe he'll collapse and Robertson will get a post-Michigan contract. It's the perfect result.

Quote from: ugarte on April 19, 2026, 04:22:24 PMMaybe he'll collapse and Robertson will get a post-Michigan contract. It's the perfect result.

Oh?

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Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

Most of those penalties were for spamming eLynah. :)

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Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHeisenberg's list shows that Cornell got Ivan Zadvernyuk of Brown from the portal. I apologize if this was already mentioned.

Hopefully he chills out on the 83 PIMs from last season  :o

Most of those penalties were for spamming eLynah. :)

the real bear lover... ;)

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Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

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Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

the Habs want their guy as the undisputed #1 tendy on a good team, not battling for starts with some undrafted kid on a team that's famously streaky. sorry.

The Habs just care whether he is playing and improving. Which was the case at Cornell this season so I highly doubt the call came from them. All else being equal they'd prefer harder competition but that's a pretty marginal concern for a goalie.

None of us know anything.

Quote from: Trotsky on Today at 06:24:49 AMNone of us know anything.

Well yes. That's why we post about it instead.

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Some of us know more nothing than others.

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Quote from: Trotsky on Today at 06:24:49 AMNone of us know anything.

Some of us know more nothing than others.

And some of us think they know something when they don't.

The way it's going

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Quote from: Trotsky on Today at 06:24:49 AMNone of us know anything.

Some of us know more nothing than others.

And some of us think they know something when they don't.

And some of us think others know nothing when they actually know something. Oftentimes that "something" isn't anything groundbreaking or controversial but instead a widely accepted reality than the doubters are unaware of or unwilling to admit. And no, i'm not talking about NIL.

The 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

So that means Dec spends another year in juniors, most likely. We're bringing Randle in this year.

Quote from: stereax on Today at 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

So no Dec. Hope he stays loyal...!

Is there any reason why Walsh might wait until the summer to sign, or can we safely assume he'll be back?

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Quote from: stereax on Today at 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

So no Dec. Hope he stays loyal...!

Is there any reason why Walsh might wait until the summer to sign, or can we safely assume he'll be back?

Some guys sign over the summer depending on organizational moves - Will Smith from BC famously did after the Sharks won the draft lottery and he knew he'd be playing with Celebrini. It can also depend on how many active contracts an organization currently has - I think the Bruins are only at like 45/50 though.

But waiting until the summer also gives Walsh more leverage - i.e. "I'll play this season with Cornell and then you have 30 days to get me a good deal, otherwise I'll sign in FA with someone else". Although, again, he seems like a pretty loyal guy, and the Bruins have put a lot of effort into developing him, so I expect him to end up with the Bruins, unless they no longer have interest in him. The whole Bancroft thing might leave a sour taste in his mouth, though...

At this point, I'd say he's going to be back for next year, but obviously I'm not going to be putting words in his mouth here. We'll see how it goes over the summer.

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Quote from: stereax on Today at 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

So no Dec. Hope he stays loyal...!

Is there any reason why Walsh might wait until the summer to sign, or can we safely assume he'll be back?

Some guys sign over the summer depending on organizational moves - Will Smith from BC famously did after the Sharks won the draft lottery and he knew he'd be playing with Celebrini. It can also depend on how many active contracts an organization currently has - I think the Bruins are only at like 45/50 though.

But waiting until the summer also gives Walsh more leverage - i.e. "I'll play this season with Cornell and then you have 30 days to get me a good deal, otherwise I'll sign in FA with someone else". Although, again, he seems like a pretty loyal guy, and the Bruins have put a lot of effort into developing him, so I expect him to end up with the Bruins, unless they no longer have interest in him. The whole Bancroft thing might leave a sour taste in his mouth, though...

At this point, I'd say he's going to be back for next year, but obviously I'm not going to be putting words in his mouth here. We'll see how it goes over the summer.

Seems to me that these entry deals are all mostly the same? Not sure how much room Walsh has to squeeze out a better deal. It's weird to me that the Bruins haven't signed him, unless they tried and he said no.

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Quote from: BearLover on Today at 09:57:10 AMSo no Dec. Hope he stays loyal...!

Is there any reason why Walsh might wait until the summer to sign, or can we safely assume he'll be back?

Some guys sign over the summer depending on organizational moves - Will Smith from BC famously did after the Sharks won the draft lottery and he knew he'd be playing with Celebrini. It can also depend on how many active contracts an organization currently has - I think the Bruins are only at like 45/50 though.

But waiting until the summer also gives Walsh more leverage - i.e. "I'll play this season with Cornell and then you have 30 days to get me a good deal, otherwise I'll sign in FA with someone else". Although, again, he seems like a pretty loyal guy, and the Bruins have put a lot of effort into developing him, so I expect him to end up with the Bruins, unless they no longer have interest in him. The whole Bancroft thing might leave a sour taste in his mouth, though...

At this point, I'd say he's going to be back for next year, but obviously I'm not going to be putting words in his mouth here. We'll see how it goes over the summer.

Seems to me that these entry deals are all mostly the same? Not sure how much room Walsh has to squeeze out a better deal. It's weird to me that the Bruins haven't signed him, unless they tried and he said no.

Key word: mostly.

There's still bonus structures to figure out. Like Bancroft would get a $25k performance bonus if he had 5 GP for the NHL Bruins.

Supposedly, Marner didn't get full bonuses on his ELC because it was Leafs policy not to, and then they turned around and gave Matthews those bonuses, which pissed Marner's camp off.

It's all complicated. Supposedly the Bruins wanted to sign him after his sophomore year, alongside Bancroft, and Walsh had to be like "pls let me get my degree", lol.

Quote from: stereax on Today at 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

Huh, now the link doesn't work - it reverts to the 2025-26 roster.

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Quote from: stereax on Today at 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

Huh, now the link doesn't work - it reverts to the 2025-26 roster.

Huh. Well, it was DEFINITELY working a minute ago...

I had popped open Wehmann's page too, just to peer at it, that's gone as well.

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Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

the Habs want their guy as the undisputed #1 tendy on a good team, not battling for starts with some undrafted kid on a team that's famously streaky. sorry.

So we're in agreement.

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Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 10:50:09 PM

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Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

the Habs want their guy as the undisputed #1 tendy on a good team, not battling for starts with some undrafted kid on a team that's famously streaky. sorry.

So we're in agreement.

no we aren't lmao. Cornell is as far from "streaky" as they come in recent memory - they've made what, 8 of the last 9 NCAA tournaments, something only tied by Denver? the only reason we brought in Rousseau is because of the void left by Cournoyer - if he didn't leave, we wouldn't have done that. Wisconsin is streaky as fuck - sometimes they go on Linsanity runs, other times they're abysmal.

the #1 most important thing is that their prospect is getting played. at Cornell, he absolutely would be. at Wisconsin, he's gonna have to compete with Hauser for starts (unless Hauser transfers, which he honestly should). sure, the quality of play in the B10 vs the ECAC is better, overall, but that's much less important than the difference between playing 30 games a year vs being the designated doorman.

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Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 10:50:09 PM

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Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: underskill on April 19, 2026, 12:32:03 PMI wonder if the Habs had any sayin encouraging him to transfer to a Big 10 school for his development

The Habs also famously got this goalie from Cornell that was pretty good - I dunno if you've ever heard of Ken Dryden, though...

From what it sounds, his agent was working the phones trying to find a "better" opportunity and Wisconsin bit. I don't think the Habs would WANT Cournoyer going from Good School Where He Owns The Net to Good School Where Oops, Hauser Is Already There.

The oldest person in the Montreal Canadians Organization is Jeff Gorton, executive vice president of hockey bullshit and he was born in 1968. Marty St. Louis, an ECAC boy, born in 1975. So, no, they don't care, even if they do know about Ken Dryden, not that it would matter after 60 years. The Habs definitely want their players in the Big 10 not the EZAC if they care at all. Sorry.

the Habs want their guy as the undisputed #1 tendy on a good team, not battling for starts with some undrafted kid on a team that's famously streaky. sorry.

So we're in agreement.

no we aren't lmao. Cornell is as far from "streaky" as they come in recent memory - they've made what, 8 of the last 9 NCAA tournaments, something only tied by Denver? the only reason we brought in Rousseau is because of the void left by Cournoyer - if he didn't leave, we wouldn't have done that. Wisconsin is streaky as fuck - sometimes they go on Linsanity runs, other times they're abysmal.

the #1 most important thing is that their prospect is getting played. at Cornell, he absolutely would be. at Wisconsin, he's gonna have to compete with Hauser for starts (unless Hauser transfers, which he honestly should). sure, the quality of play in the B10 vs the ECAC is better, overall, but that's much less important than the difference between playing 30 games a year vs being the designated doorman.

Also, Cornell was a good spot for him as he was playing well and presumably getting good coaching. Though, I don't have a sense for what our goaltending coaching is like.

GP, W, L, SO, GA, MIN, GAA, SH, SV, SV%, CHIP, GSAx.

Alexis Cournoyer    Cornell    Fr    28    18    10    0    56    1636    2.05    1    603    .915    40.3    +1.02
Daniel Hauser    Wisconsin    Fr    33    21    8    2    76    1833    2.49    3    681    .900    34.4    -4.48

Cournoyer's stats are slightly better, yes. Cournoyer was playing in front of one of the best defenses in the country. And Hauser took that team to the FF finals.

It's gonna be a dead heat next year, I think, and a platoon to start. And there's a serious consideration that Hauser might just be deemed the starter if Cournoyer isn't up to snuff. The Habs would NOT want that.

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Quote from: stereax on Today at 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

Huh, now the link doesn't work - it reverts to the 2025-26 roster.

Huh. Well, it was DEFINITELY working a minute ago...

Looks like someone published the draft version of the new page prematurely.

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 10:51:44 AMAlso, Cornell was a good spot for him as he was playing well and presumably getting good coaching. Though, I don't have a sense for what our goaltending coaching is like.

now you're starting to get it.

Quote from: The Rancor on Today at 11:22:38 AM

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 10:51:44 AMAlso, Cornell was a good spot for him as he was playing well and presumably getting good coaching. Though, I don't have a sense for what our goaltending coaching is like.

now you're starting to get it.

are you implying our goalie coaching is bad?

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)


Love seeing these monsters listed. Keep The Big Red Big.

Jane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

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Quote from: The Rancor on Today at 11:22:38 AM

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 10:51:44 AMAlso, Cornell was a good spot for him as he was playing well and presumably getting good coaching. Though, I don't have a sense for what our goaltending coaching is like.

now you're starting to get it.

are you implying our goalie coaching is bad?

No, it probably is very good- I'd be shocked if it wasn't. What I'm implying is that Wisconsin probably has a larger goaltending coaching staff and resources, because it's a bigger program with more money. Training/Coaching is SO important for goalies in this era. They train to be robots. Playing approximately the same amount of games at Wisco Vs Cornell but against a full slate of Big 10 goon squads and snipers. I'm not shitting on our program, but I do see that there are limits to what we offer, and the impression of quality in the hockey world. Seeing things through non Carnelian glasses...
Of course I think Cornell is awesome. Teams should fear us. But in the wider hockey world, we're on the B tier (and the ECAC is C/B- tier in their eyes...) in spite of our consistency and success. Is what it is. It's ridiculous obviously considering that the Big Whoop hasn't claimed a Natty since it started, but, even we on e-lynah get worried when we have to face off against them with the season on the line.

My insights come from being a fan my whole life and playing ice hockey for a long time- and playing with and interacting with on a regular basis former Junior, College and pro players. I'm not that good, but they are and they know. I skate with (literal) kids on their way to College and Juniors with pro ambitions- I have a sense of how they think and feel, not that anyone cares about credentials- only Adam W has the street cred that matters.

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Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here at Cornell."

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Hell yeah, Coach Jones!!

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here."

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

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Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here."

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I get the feeling that we've gotten as much official, on-the-record information about this whole ordeal as we're going to get.  Anything else going forward will be limited to speculation, hearsay, and rumors, or otherwise the typical diplomatic/canned responses.

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Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here."

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

He might have been struggling at school, but it feels like the coaches would have been aware of that after the fall semester. Not passing judgment as to whether he was or wasn't.

I suspect it was moreso driven by his agent cold emailing all the bluebloods and then getting a "hell yeah, we'll throw you some money" from Wisc. But at least from Jane's reporting (and ability to do so, because it'd be difficult for her to get Cournoyer to admit it on record), there's no specific reason given. She does mention, again, that he seems to want to sign with MTL sooner rather than later, so maybe he and his agent think that he does one year at Wisconsin and then signs. Idk.

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:27:26 AM"...we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there."

I like that statement.

By far the most shocking thing in those quotes is that it sounds like he didn't provide any advance warning that he'd enter the portal? That's the way the story is written. I have a hard time believing that could be true.

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:49:48 AM

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: stereax on Today at 11:27:26 AMJane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Jones pivoted by acquiring Mathis Rousseau, a rising sophomore goaltender who spent his freshman year at the University of Maine. The Montreal, Quebec, native posted a .896 save percentage across 17 games in 2025-2026, backing up Maine's starter, Albin Boija. Rousseau challenged Boija for the starting position down the stretch and will certainly bolster the goaltending position for the Red next season.

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Jane mentions in her Twitter post that it seems Cournoyer wants to sign with MTL ASAP.

Welp, more cryptic quotes.

Let me translate from Coach to English:

"Cournoyer really fucked us over by telling us he wanted to transfer... he doesn't care about being at Cornell or the Cornell education, he only seems to care about hockey... so he can screw off as far as we're concerned, we have no shortage of people who'd want to play here, especially because we're deep at F/D and a good team, and actually care about being here."

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

And as everyone knows BL needs clarity.  8)

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:49:48 AMBut his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know

Mick and Keith had something to say about that.

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Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:49:48 AMBut his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know

Mick and Keith had something to say about that.

When you hear about the concept of journalism it's gonna blow your mind

Quote from: stereax on Today at 10:22:37 AMI had popped open Wehmann's page too, just to peer at it, that's gone as well.

I feel like some version of this briefly happens every year with some of the offseason updates (not just with men's hockey). I wonder if they have some weird content management system that requires them to publish updates before they can "hide" them.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on Today at 12:04:08 PM

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:49:48 AMBut his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know

Mick and Keith had something to say about that.

When you hear about the concept of journalism it's gonna blow your mind

🤯

Does journalism even exist anymore?  Asking for a friend.

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

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Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

Quote from: The Rancor on Today at 11:44:01 AMNo, it probably is very good- I'd be shocked if it wasn't. What I'm implying is that Wisconsin probably has a larger goaltending coaching staff and resources, because it's a bigger program with more money. Training/Coaching is SO important for goalies in this era. They train to be robots. Playing approximately the same amount of games at Wisco Vs Cornell but against a full slate of Big 10 goon squads and snipers. I'm not shitting on our program, but I do see that there are limits to what we offer, and the impression of quality in the hockey world. Seeing things through non Carnelian glasses...
Of course I think Cornell is awesome. Teams should fear us. But in the wider hockey world, we're on the B tier (and the ECAC is C/B- tier in their eyes...) in spite of our consistency and success. Is what it is. It's ridiculous obviously considering that the Big Whoop hasn't claimed a Natty since it started, but, even we on e-lynah get worried when we have to face off against them with the season on the line.

My insights come from being a fan my whole life and playing ice hockey for a long time- and playing with and interacting with on a regular basis former Junior, College and pro players. I'm not that good, but they are and they know. I skate with (literal) kids on their way to College and Juniors with pro ambitions- I have a sense of how they think and feel, not that anyone cares about credentials- only Adam W has the street cred that matters.

Gee thanks - but FYI - Wisconsin is not allowed to have more coaches than Cornell has. Almost every kid has their own personal/private goalie coach these days.

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Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

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Quote from: BearLover on Today at 01:02:00 PM

Quote from: ugarte on Today at 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 11:49:48 AMThat part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Quote from: BearLover on Today at 12:01:17 PMBy far the most shocking thing in those quotes is that it sounds like he didn't provide any advance warning that he'd enter the portal? That's the way the story is written. I have a hard time believing that could be true.

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

I mean Adam told us basically how it went a week ago. Makes sense that they WERE blindsided, honestly.