2026 men's lacrosse regular season thread
No Syracuse in 2026 (Orange do play Princeton). Ranked opponents as of pre-season poll: 3 Princeton, 8 Duke, 9 Penn State, 10 Richmond, 12 Harvard, 19 Albany, HM Denver, HM High Point. This sucks: Likely game to determine home field for Ivy lax tournament, is RS game March 21 at Princeton, same weekend as ECAC hockey finals in Lake Placid. If the football poobahs keep Harvard-Yale football as the finale, why not same for Cornell-Princeton lacrosse? (Quote: "Well, that's different.")
Date Time At Opponent Location
Regular Season
Feb 14 Sat 1PM @Albany W11-10
Feb 21 Sat 12MT @Denver
Feb 24 Tue 6:00 Hobart
Feb 28 Sat 12:00 Richmond
Mar 07 Sat TBA @Penn State
Mar 14 Sat 12:00 Brown
Mar 21 Sat TBA @Princeton
Mar 28 Sat 3:30 Yale
Apr 04 Sat TBA @Penn
Apr 11 Sat 2:00 Duke @LIU Brookville
Apr 13 Mon 12:00 High Point
Apr 18 Sat TBA @Dartmouth
Apr 25 Sat 12:00 Harvard
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Ivy League Tournament 4 Teams
May 1 Fri @#1 Seed Ivy Lax Tournament Semis
May 3 Sun @#1 Seed Ivy Lax Championship
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NCAA Tournament 18 Teams
May 03 Selection show
May 09 Sat First round play-in (2 games)
May 16 Sat Quarterfinals @ Hofstra, Shuart Stadium
May 17 Sun Quarterfinals @ Newark DE, Delaware Stadium
May 23 Sat Semifinals @ UVA Scott Stadium (61,500)
May 25 Mon Final @ Scott Stadium
Video: All RS games ESPN+ except Denver, Penn State (probably BTen), Duke
Wow! Usually the pre-season poll has the champion from last year as No. 1 or 2. Not 2026.
PRESEASON MLAX TOP 20 (USA Lacrosse Magazine)
1. Maryland
2. Syracuse
3. Princeton
4. Georgetown
5. North Carolina
6. Cornell
7. Notre Dame
8. Duke
9. Penn State
10. Richmond
11. Ohio State
12. Harvard
13. Virginia
14. Army
15. Rutgers
16. Boston University
17. Johns Hopkins
18. Towson
19. UAlbany
20. Michigan
Also considered (alphabetical order): Bryant, Denver, Fairfield, High Point, Villanova, Yale
Four of the top twenty are New York State teams: Syracuse, Cornell, Army, Albany. Top-twenty Ivies are Princeton, Cornell, Harvard plus Yale as HM. Penn kind of dropped away, went 4-10 last year, HC Mike Murphy fired after 16 seasons.
IIRC, your suitability for post-season play (and placement/opponent) includes how you fared against opponents in ranked bands, thar is 1-5, 6-10, etcetera. This from the NCAA:
NCAA >>> DIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of [ed: "composed of"] lacrosse coaches from all AQ conferences).
Link: https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/maryland-ranked-no-1-usa-lacrosse-division-i-mens-preseason-top-20
Quote from: billhoward on January 07, 2026, 02:26:46 PM2026 men's lacrosse regular season thread
No Syracuse in 2026 (Orange do play Princeton). Ranked opponents as of pre-season poll: 3 Princeton, 8 Duke, 9 Penn State, 10 Richmond, 12 Harvard, 19 Albany, HM Denver, HM High Point. This sucks: Likely game to determine home field for Ivy lax tournament, is RS game March 21 at Princeton, same weekend as ECAC hockey finals in Lake Placid. If the football poobahs keep Harvard-Yale football as the finale, why not same for Cornell-Princeton lacrosse? (Quote: "Well, that's different.")
Date Time At Opponent Location
Regular Season
Feb 14 Sat TBA @Albany
Feb 21 Sat 12MT @Denver
Feb 24 Tue 6:00 Hobart
Feb 28 Sat 12:00 Richmond
Mar 07 Sat TBA @Penn State
Mar 14 Sat 12:00 Brown
Mar 21 Sat TBA @Princeton
Mar 28 Sat 3:30 Yale
Apr 04 Sat TBA @Penn
Apr 11 Sat 2:00 Duke @LIU Brookville
Apr 13 Mon 12:00 High Point
Apr 18 Sat TBA @Dartmouth
Apr 25 Sat 12:00 Harvard
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Ivy League Tournament 4 Teams
May 1 Fri @#1 Seed Ivy Lax Tournament Semis
May 3 Sun @#1 Seed Ivy Lax Championship
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NCAA Tournament 18 Teams
May 03 Selection show
May 09 Sat First round play-in (2 games)
May 16 Sat Quarterfinals @ Hofstra, Shuart Stadium
May 17 Sun Quarterfinals @ Newark DE, Delaware Stadium
May 23 Sat Semifinals @ UVA Scott Stadium (61,500)
May 25 Mon Final @ Scott Stadium
Video: All RS games ESPN+ except Denver, Penn State (probably BTen), Duke
What sucks is 2 home games in February, when it's too frickin' cold to watch lacrosse.
Cornell - Duke on the LIU Post campus? Yes, thanks.
As for Cornell being ranked 6 after a natty, I think the reason why is pretty obvious.
Not that we've been treated with the utmost respect over the years, but I'd be curious to see actual numbers on pre-season ranking placement for defending champions before getting too upset. We lost alot, and frankly, if not for the showing Goldstein had in the tournament, we'd be even lower.
Take a look at our freshman class, almost everyone's an All American. If they come around quickly, we could surprise the pollsters. Rowyn Nurry could be the Second Coming of Kirst.
Quote from: billhoward on January 07, 2026, 02:26:46 PM2026 men's lacrosse regular season thread
No Syracuse in 2026 (Orange do play Princeton). Ranked opponents as of pre-season poll: 3 Princeton, 8 Duke, 9 Penn State, 10 Richmond, 12 Harvard, 19 Albany, HM Denver, HM High Point. This sucks: Likely game to determine home field for Ivy lax tournament, is RS game March 21 at Princeton, same weekend as ECAC hockey finals in Lake Placid. If the football poobahs keep Harvard-Yale football as the finale, why not same for Cornell-Princeton lacrosse? (Quote: "Well, that's different.")
Date Time At Opponent Location
Regular Season
Feb 14 Sat TBA @Albany
Feb 21 Sat 12MT @Denver
Feb 24 Tue 6:00 Hobart
Feb 28 Sat 12:00 Richmond
Mar 07 Sat TBA @Penn State
Mar 14 Sat 12:00 Brown
Mar 21 Sat TBA @Princeton
Mar 28 Sat 3:30 Yale
Apr 04 Sat TBA @Penn
Apr 11 Sat 2:00 Duke @LIU Brookville
Apr 13 Mon 12:00 High Point
Apr 18 Sat TBA @Dartmouth
Apr 25 Sat 12:00 Harvard
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Ivy League Tournament 4 Teams
May 1 Fri @#1 Seed Ivy Lax Tournament Semis
May 3 Sun @#1 Seed Ivy Lax Championship
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NCAA Tournament 18 Teams
May 03 Selection show
May 09 Sat First round play-in (2 games)
May 16 Sat Quarterfinals @ Hofstra, Shuart Stadium
May 17 Sun Quarterfinals @ Newark DE, Delaware Stadium
May 23 Sat Semifinals @ UVA Scott Stadium (61,500)
May 25 Mon Final @ Scott Stadium
Video: All RS games ESPN+ except Denver, Penn State (probably BTen), Duke
After the series of unfortunate events a couple of years ago in Denver, I'm looking forward to a 19-2 victory.
+1000
Cornell Lacrosse earn Inside_Lacrosse
Preseason All-American honors!
1st Team: Ryan Goldstein
3rd Team: Willem Firth, Jack Cascadden
HM: AJ Nikolic, Brendan Staub
From a reliable source, Ryan's brother, Tommy will matriculate next fall. I don't know how good he is, but he certainly has a great pedigree. Both parents, Tim and Tina, were lacrosse All-Americans at Cornell.
Did some research to prove you wrong that losing the Tewaaraton winner to graduation on a NCAA-title team does not stop the team from defending its NCAA championship. Except the last decade there have been a lot of Tewaaraton winners who led teams to championships, the winner graduated, and the more likely outcome is next year's team did not title-repeat.
Go back in history and Mike French '76 won the Enners Award (best player) en route to beating Maryland for the title and then Cornell won in 1977 as well. That was the only best-player award then, now it's still there but overshadowed by the Tewaaraton Trophy, and there have been years where the two winners have differed. But going back 50 years to prove a point kind of helps prove the opposite.
I'm bullish on this team. We surely lost more talent than any other team in the country, but also our pipeline may have been more backed up than any other team because of all the fifth-years eating up minutes. And we have Cascadden so we'll have the ball more than our opponents. I predict we'll be top 10 going into the NCAA tournament and compete for the Ivy title.
Let the season begin!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUOKcJ-kdrB/
Quote from: BearLover on January 30, 2026, 11:26:44 AMI'm bullish on this team. We surely lost more talent than any other team in the country, but also our pipeline may have been more backed up than any other team because of all the fifth-years eating up minutes. And we have Cascadden so we'll have the ball more than our opponents. I predict we'll be top 10 going into the NCAA tournament and compete for the Ivy title.
I'm excited about the season too! I'm already pretty well satisfied because the team won another national championship in my lifetime. I wasn't sure it was going to happen, but it did. It definitely made a difference that players had an additional year, especially one player with generational talent. But I think we can make another run for one important reason: coaching. Coach had the team playing ferociously, playing together with incredible skill levels, and playing with joy. Let's do that again and see what happens!
Notice the hole worn through in the upper corner of one of the goal nets. Hoo boy.
Quote from: mike1960 on February 01, 2026, 12:54:09 PMLet the season begin!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUOKcJ-kdrB/
The instagram account uses a modified version of the Cornell crest, putting the field with arch in lower center and the two retired numbers 10 and 21 in the upper corners. Is that something just used for Instagram?
Quote from: JasonN95 on February 04, 2026, 10:48:11 PMQuote from: mike1960 on February 01, 2026, 12:54:09 PMLet the season begin!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUOKcJ-kdrB/
The instagram account uses a modified version of the Cornell crest, putting the field with arch in lower center and the two retired numbers 10 and 21 in the upper corners. Is that something just used for Instagram?
I've seen those numbers on pretty much on all the crests associated with the lax team.
Cornell opens the season Saturday at Albany. What do we expect? This works out well for me since I'm going to be in the Capital region for the hockey games and now I get to see a lacrosse game, too!
Quote from: dbilmes on February 12, 2026, 04:58:41 PMCornell opens the season Saturday at Albany. What do we expect? This works out well for me since I'm going to in the Capital region for the hockey games and now I get to see a lacrosse game, too!
I went to a game there in March a several years ago and swore never to do it during the winter ever again. I could barely feel my legs after the game after having sit in the stands and the outdoor temperature wasn't even that high
Quote from: dbilmes on February 12, 2026, 04:58:41 PMCornell opens the season Saturday at Albany. What do we expect? This works out well for me since I'm going to be in the Capital region for the hockey games and now I get to see a lacrosse game, too!
I'll be watching to see how well the offense and defense play together - - working for a good shot on offense, effective slides and recovery on defense. I'm also excited to see who put in the work over the off-season and appears ready to dominate.
I think defense and faceoffs could be our strengths this year, even though they were largely overlooked due to our offense last year.
Maryland 9 Syracuse 12
Looks like the Orange is back. I wish they would schedule us.
Princeton down 7-1 to PSU after one.
Yale 4-1 over Army early 2nd, and Army has a 2 minute non-releaseable to kill.
Game time!
It's like Christmas day!
Anybody know the lineup? Nurry on attack? Very strange feeling for me, never been fortunate enough to be able to root for the defending champs!
Quote from: BearLover on February 14, 2026, 01:14:26 PMAnybody know the lineup? Nurry on attack? Very strange feeling for me, never been fortunate enough to be able to root for the defending champs!
Looks like Perfetto #11 as the 3rd attackman
Albany 3-2 on the break.
Lefty Albany scores twice on a shorty coming from behind the net. The first score Gilmartin turned his back on the cutter.
Adjustment. Cornell brought the long stick to help against lefty coming from behind the net.
Tully yet to make a save
Albany 4-3
Left the shooter wide open in front of the net. Our defense looks out of sync. Also we have at least 3 turnovers on basic passes.
We need more Goldstein coming the back of the net. He's a big threat to pass or shoot.
What is Tully doing???
Don't usually like to blame a goalie but Tully is killing us so far
Firth takes the ball down the alley, puts the defender on his back, and sticks it in the back of the net.
5-4 Albany.
Strange middie names. Where's Nikolic? Ciaparra, Horsman theon 1st line? Injuries?
Behind the back shot from Albany, 6-4.
A little French pastry, as Barry Leonard used to say.
Is that Nikolic not dressed in the huddle? Injured again?
Quote from: chimpfood on February 14, 2026, 01:59:43 PMIs that Nikolic not dressed in the huddle? Injured again?
I thought I saw his number 16 on the field earlier.
Another turnover on a basic pass.
6-6 at the half.
Quote from: mike1960 on February 13, 2026, 10:31:45 PMMaryland 9 Syracuse 12
Looks like the Orange is back. I wish they would schedule us.
It may be 'Cuse (as in exCuse?) wants to rotate among the two best Ivies. OTOH Syracuse has an academic orientation and they can visit Cornell with a one-hour bus ride and go back same day, versus a two-day trip to Princeton and an overnight. I wonder if Cornell will ever toss over Hobart. Even though it's not a weekend game.
Quote from: jjanow99 on February 14, 2026, 02:02:32 PMQuote from: chimpfood on February 14, 2026, 01:59:43 PMIs that Nikolic not dressed in the huddle? Injured again?
I thought I saw his number 16 on the field earlier.
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Quote from: jjanow99 on February 14, 2026, 02:02:32 PMQuote from: chimpfood on February 14, 2026, 01:59:43 PMIs that Nikolic not dressed in the huddle? Injured again?
I thought I saw his number 16 on the field earlier.
Apparently I was seeing things. According to Laxfan posters he's not dressed.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on February 14, 2026, 01:45:33 PMStrange middie names. Where's Nikolic? Ciaparra, Horsman theon 1st line? Injuries?
Where's the pro announcers. At the start of the game, they were talking up how Albany plays a deliberately tough schedule and concluded the thought, "How many other teams can say started their season playing the defending national champion?" Especially since most other big name schools has started (or tried to start) their seasons Jan. 31 or Feb. 7. Cornell at Denver next Saturday will be the Pios' fourth scheduled game.
U of Albany announcers have made the broadcast impossible to listen to. Right up there with the squad from Brown hockey.
Maybe Nurry at some point? Some size?
Waldman laser from 10.
8-7 Cornell in the 3rd.
Don't know how many times we've cradled into trouble and had the ball taken away by Albany.
Staub with the long pole goal from 15 on the faceoff.
9-7 Cornell. Let's get another.
Tully had a rough first half, but he's made some nice saves in the second.
We need to find some offense. Last year, it was CJ time. Now another player needs to seize the opportunity.
These announcers are putzes. Who knew UA played us the toughest last year.
Cornell win 11-10!
Tough game in the cold. Albany played well. Ground balls and dominant faceoff play by Cascadden were critical to the win.
Need a stronger third attack. Need an alley dodger on first midfield. Take better care of the ball.
Quote from: jjanow99 on February 14, 2026, 01:29:04 PMTully yet to make a save
I only got to see the last two minutes after the wrestling ended. I got to see one fantastic save.
What a goal from Firth. I don't think the plan was to score that quickly but when they rolled out the red carpet he had to take the shot.
Quote from: ugarte on February 14, 2026, 03:28:45 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on February 14, 2026, 01:29:04 PMTully yet to make a save
I only got to see the last two minutes after the wrestling ended. I got to see one fantastic save.
What a goal from Firth. I don't think the plan was to score that quickly but when they rolled out the red carpet he had to take the shot.
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Tully made some big saves, had a great second half.
Cascadden 7-7 in 4th qtr faceoffs
Gritty win. Two good defenses going at it. Yeesh! What happened to Princeton getting clobbered by Penn State.
Too many unforced errors. Hopefully that changes quickly.
Quote from: mike1960 on February 14, 2026, 03:11:34 PMCornell win 11-10! Tough game in the cold. Albany played well. Ground balls and dominant faceoff play by Cascadden were critical to the win.
As it was February 15 last year, at Lehigh. It was cold, I do recall some lax parents were nicely fortified, and by the fourth quarter, it wasCornell Lehigh lax 2025-0215.jpghard, to see the far edges of the field.
Unlike Schoellkopf, Lehigh's lax / multipurpose field has immediately adjacent restrooms heated to a seeming 80 degrees.
On to Denver ... the Pios are 3-0 after two blowout wins at home over Cleveland State (20-1) and Air Force (10-2), then a nailbiter today, 8-7 @ Utah.
Quote from: rss77 on February 14, 2026, 03:45:15 PMGritty win. Two good defenses going at it. Yeesh! What happened to Princeton getting clobbered by Penn State.
Penn St is good? Princeton is the entitled Ivy and not prepared?
Penn State had an extra month of practice and two completed games. Their second game was an embarrassing upset loss to Villanova that they were keen to erase. Princeton has a ton of talent and will improve.
Once again, it looks like the Denver game is broadcast on a platform that requires extra payment ($10). The weather forecast is 45 degrees, so better than Albany but still chilly. I hope the team doesn't get too gassed from the altitude. We'll need second line middies to step up.
The Albany defense muted our offense by playing excellent man-to-man and help defense. Only Firth and Goldstein were able to beat their guys one-on-one. We'll see what happens in the Denver game. It would be nice to see more off-ball screens to free some cutters.
Here's a proper translation of this post for this bulletin board:
В очередной раз, похоже, трансляция матча с «Денвером» ведется на платформе, требующей дополнительной оплаты (10 долларов). Прогноз погоды — 45 градусов, что лучше, чем в Олбани, но все равно прохладно. Надеюсь, команда не слишком устанет от высоты. Нам понадобятся полузащитники второго и третьего звеньев, чтобы показать себя с лучшей стороны.
Защита «Олбани» нейтрализовала нашу атаку, отлично играя в персональную опеку и оказывая помощь сопернику. Только Фирт и Голдштейн смогли обыграть своих оппонентов один на один. Посмотрим, что будет в игре с «Денвером». Было бы неплохо увидеть больше заслонов без мяча, чтобы освободить место для игроков, совершающих проходы к кольцу.
Quote from: mike1960 on February 15, 2026, 01:58:07 PMOnce again, it looks like the Denver game is broadcast on a platform that requires extra payment ($10). The weather forecast is 45 degrees, so better than Albany but still chilly. I hope the team doesn't get too gassed from the altitude. We'll need second line middies to step up.
45 and sunny can feel like 65 with a danger of sunburn. The temperature when the women's game started today in Boulder was 53 and I wore s tee shirt. If the guys go overboard with hydration, they should be fine, especially if they arrive on Thursday. Running more than one midfield on a regular basis would help, though.
Quote from: jjanow99 on February 14, 2026, 03:39:13 PMCascadden 7-7 in 4th qtr faceoffs
Maybe he shouldn't be our only FOGO for the entire game.
Quote from: Swampy on February 19, 2026, 10:50:19 AMQuote from: jjanow99 on February 14, 2026, 03:39:13 PMCascadden 7-7 in 4th qtr faceoffs
Maybe he shouldn't be our only FOGO for the entire game.
That must be 7-for-7. There's no way there was 14 faceoffs in the 4th quarter.
That's how faceoffs are written in lacrosse
Quote from: JasonN95 on February 19, 2026, 01:36:06 PMQuote from: Swampy on February 19, 2026, 10:50:19 AMQuote from: jjanow99 on February 14, 2026, 03:39:13 PMCascadden 7-7 in 4th qtr faceoffs
Maybe he shouldn't be our only FOGO for the entire game.
That must be 7-for-7. There's no way there was 14 faceoffs in the 4th quarter.
Yes, Cascadden went 7-for-7 in the 4th
I have a feeling we're going to need Cascadden to be really good all year.
clicking the link for the LAX game sends you to a broken page.
Midco sports also does not show it on the schedule.
Interesting because if you clock the Mich/Denver game next week it does work.
Quote from: upprdeck on February 21, 2026, 11:34:58 AMclicking the link for the LAX game sends you to a broken page.
Midco sports also does not show it on the schedule.
Interesting because if you clock the Mich/Denver game next week it does work.
Support person gave me this link, which appears to work:
https://www.midcosportsplus.com/details/LIVE_PROGRAM/item/6389538087112/cornell-vs-denver
FYI, when I tried to log in, I was told my credentials were wrong -- until I agreed to accept promo emails. I complained to the support guy and he is reporting that as a bug. For what it is worth
And it appears you will get an error message until the feed is live. Or at least I hope that is the case....
Quote from: dag14 on February 21, 2026, 12:32:15 PMQuote from: upprdeck on February 21, 2026, 11:34:58 AMclicking the link for the LAX game sends you to a broken page.
Midco sports also does not show it on the schedule.
Interesting because if you clock the Mich/Denver game next week it does work.
Support person gave me this link, which appears to work:
https://www.midcosportsplus.com/details/LIVE_PROGRAM/item/6389538087112/cornell-vs-denver
FYI, when I tried to log in, I was told my credentials were wrong -- until I agreed to accept promo emails. I complained to the support guy and he is reporting that as a bug. For what it is worth
And it appears you will get an error message until the feed is live. Or at least I hope that is the case....
Does the subscription allow for replay? We have folks over this afternoon and I can't watch live. Thanks!
Quote from: CU77 on February 15, 2026, 02:28:12 AMPenn State had an extra month of practice and two completed games. Their second game was an embarrassing upset loss to Villanova that they were keen to erase. Princeton has a ton of talent and will improve.
Princeton leading @Maryland 13-9 late in Q4 ...
Quote from: mike1960 on February 21, 2026, 01:30:02 PMDoes the subscription allow for replay? We have folks over this afternoon and I can't watch live. Thanks!
Yes.
But I have to question your life priorities ... 😶
Quote from: CU77 on February 21, 2026, 01:48:21 PMQuote from: CU77 on February 15, 2026, 02:28:12 AMPenn State had an extra month of practice and two completed games. Their second game was an embarrassing upset loss to Villanova that they were keen to erase. Princeton has a ton of talent and will improve.
Princeton leading @Maryland 13-9 late in Q4 ...
Harvard leads Syracuse 5-4 nearing the half.
The visual of spectators bundled up standing all around the lacrosse field with the snow coming down is pretty great.
Woo woo! The feed is live.
Big upset: Navy 12 The Pennsylvania State University 11
Nurry on attack, Nikolic at midfield
First Denver goal by Cornell grad Rory Graham.
Princeton hangs on to beat Maryland, 13-12.
Yale over BU, 16-11.
Brown over Providence, 9-8 OT.
Quote from: jjanow99 on February 21, 2026, 02:12:44 PMFirst Denver goal by Cornell grad Rory Graham.
Oy! 2 goals for Graham. I don't think he ever scored more than one for us in his time here.
4-2. Cornell
Quote from: CU77 on February 21, 2026, 02:11:02 PMNurry on attack, Nikolic at midfield
Each have scored today.
Too many far outside shots by the Red ...
7-6 Red at the half
Harvard upsets Cuse in Cambridge 13-12
If Cornell wins then the Ivied sweep the weekend.
It would be pretty embarrassing to be the only Ivy to lose this weekend ... :o
2 quick D goals and we're down 8-7
I am struggling to get Livestats to refresh/stay up to date
but seems like Cornell has hit 4-5 posts?
Denver goalie with a lot of saves (impression that is poor shot quality more than him standing on his head)
13-9 final as Red scores last six goals
short turnaround for Hobart on Tuesday (forcast is for low-20s in Ithaca)
then a very dangerous Richmond team in Ithaca next Saturday (longterm forecast shows maybe 50 degrees?)
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on February 21, 2026, 04:12:22 PM13-9 final as Red scores last six goals
Wow guess the altitude didn't bother them.
Clean sweep for the Ivies.
Cornell 8 for 8 in 4th period faceoffs. Not sure what the breakdown was between our 2 face-off guys.
Quote from: Cornell95 on February 21, 2026, 04:13:53 PMshort turnaround for Hobart on Tuesday (forcast is for low-20s in Ithaca)
When is the Meinig Fieldhouse supposed to open?
Quote from: jjanow99 on February 21, 2026, 04:19:51 PMCornell 8 for 8 in 4th period faceoffs. Not sure what the breakdown was between our 2 face-off guys.
We were 7-for-7 in 4th period faceoffs against Albany. Through two games, we have yet to lose a fourth-quarter faceoff. That would be a nice trend to keep going throughout the season!
Quote from: George64 on February 21, 2026, 04:22:04 PMQuote from: Cornell95 on February 21, 2026, 04:13:53 PMshort turnaround for Hobart on Tuesday (forcast is for low-20s in Ithaca)
When is the Meinig Fieldhouse supposed to open?
It won't be used for games, just practices, I thought. Can anyone confirm this?
Quote from: George64 on February 21, 2026, 04:22:04 PMQuote from: Cornell95 on February 21, 2026, 04:13:53 PMshort turnaround for Hobart on Tuesday (forcast is for low-20s in Ithaca)
When is the Meinig Fieldhouse supposed to open?
Late Spring/early summer.
From the IL article: "Cornell middie AJ Nikolic, who missed last season due to injury and did not play in the season-opener vs. UAlbany, scored the opening goal for the Big Red but left the game mid-way through the third quarter with an apparent leg injury."
Quote from: djk26 on February 21, 2026, 07:29:38 PMQuote from: George64 on February 21, 2026, 04:22:04 PMQuote from: Cornell95 on February 21, 2026, 04:13:53 PMshort turnaround for Hobart on Tuesday (forcast is for low-20s in Ithaca)
When is the Meinig Fieldhouse supposed to open?
It won't be used for games, just practices, I thought. Can anyone confirm this?
An announcement from 2023 (https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2023/10/new-indoor-sports-facility-honor-peter-c-meinig-61) said
QuoteThe indoor field will accommodate NCAA men's and women's lacrosse competitions
On the occasion of the ground-breaking in 2024 (https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2024/10/university-breaks-ground-transformative-meinig-fieldhouse) the word was that
QuoteThe indoor fieldhouse will also enhance the ability of varsity athletics to recruit top student-athletes, train in all seasons in safe and consistent environments, retain high-level coaches, and even compete at home in otherwise unplayable outdoor conditions.
Quote from: jjanow99 on February 21, 2026, 04:19:51 PMCornell 8 for 8 in 4th period faceoffs. Not sure what the breakdown was between our 2 face-off guys.
Per the Livestats Summary (for the game)
Cascadden 15-21
Melkonian 4-5
For 4th, looks like Cascadden had 6, Melkonian 2
They will be able to play in the IPF. There will be few fans if any and perhaps no video from those games.
doesn't seem like it would be that hard to set up video - i'm sure they record practices.
also doesn't seem like it would be that hard for either team to post highlights from the denver game!
I think they were able to broadcast the couple of field hockey games that were played at Barton in the fall? So don't see why they couldn't set up something at the indoor practice facility.
Quote from: ugarte on February 22, 2026, 01:41:35 PMalso doesn't seem like it would be that hard for either team to post highlights from the denver game!
short: https://youtu.be/LdhRxiXwzm4?si=t6budJb8_pjwV8gj
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on February 21, 2026, 08:59:48 PMFrom the IL article: "Cornell middie AJ Nikolic, who missed last season due to injury and did not play in the season-opener vs. UAlbany, scored the opening goal for the Big Red but left the game mid-way through the third quarter with an apparent leg injury."
AJ was clearing the ball and he may have landed awkwardly. He went down, got up and was then hit by a Denver player, going down again. He then left the field. It was not clear to me exactly how he got injured, nor how bad it was.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on February 22, 2026, 03:33:47 PMQuote from: ugarte on February 22, 2026, 01:41:35 PMalso doesn't seem like it would be that hard for either team to post highlights from the denver game!
short: https://youtu.be/LdhRxiXwzm4?si=t6budJb8_pjwV8gj
That was just horrible.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 22, 2026, 04:17:35 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on February 22, 2026, 03:33:47 PMQuote from: ugarte on February 22, 2026, 01:41:35 PMalso doesn't seem like it would be that hard for either team to post highlights from the denver game!
short: https://youtu.be/LdhRxiXwzm4?si=t6budJb8_pjwV8gj
That was just horrible.
they had fun with it. after 30 seconds they even showed some lacrosse.
Cuse Crease to the rescue with 20min of highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBdQKh7OSrg
one goal in about 40 min and still win by 4. Need to see what happened in that long stretch
Quote from: upprdeck on February 22, 2026, 09:06:27 PMone goal in about 40 min and still win by 4. Need to see what happened in that long stretch
seems like you've already seen it lol
Quote from: ugarte on February 22, 2026, 01:41:35 PMdoesn't seem like it would be that hard to set up video - i'm sure they record practices.
also doesn't seem like it would be that hard for either team to post highlights from the denver game!
That Cuse Crease account does the best college lacrosse condensed game videos I've found. Smooth, high resolution video and no watermark.
Sure they could throw a camera up. But with ESPN they need to get the setup connected a certain way.
Like the old days when lynah struggled to get a feed out the door.
Didnt we play at PSU in the IPF with no video a few years ago?
Cornell doesnt own rights to any of the TV stuff and who knows who they sent out Denver to do any video/photos.
It was nice to see Nurry score two goals against Denver. I had a brief chat with his mom right before the start of the Albany game and told her I was looking forward to watching her son play. She told me she hoped that he would get into the game. He didn't start that day, and didn't do much in his limited action. Hopefully, he'll continue to start and play well.
IVY league an impressive 13-5 out of conference this year with 6 wins against pre-season top 20 opponents (Cornell with wins against Denver, Albany; Harvard win v. Syracuse, Princeton win vs. Maryland, Yale vs BU and Penn vs. Albany). This week features more challenging out of conference play with Cornell v. Richmond, Yale v. Penn State (although Penn State has been struggling to find their mojo), Penn v. UNC and then Syracuse and Princeton v. Syracuse and then UNC. Let's hope the IVYs continue to roll.
Quote from: George64 on February 21, 2026, 04:22:04 PMQuote from: Cornell95 on February 21, 2026, 04:13:53 PMshort turnaround for Hobart on Tuesday (forcast is for low-20s in Ithaca)
When is the Meinig Fieldhouse supposed to open?
May 2026.
Quote from: upprdeck on February 23, 2026, 09:20:57 AMCornell doesnt own rights to any of the TV stuff and who knows who they sent out Denver to do any video/photos.
If so, the Ivies should negotiate rights to ESPN video for X Y Z purposes: game highlights up to X minutes in length, video with and without the text and graphics overlays, player highlights, scouting opponents and own-self, vodep in fullest resolution, etcetera. At the level Cornell plays at in most sports, it's not as if we're taken millions out of ESPN's pockets.
Quote from: billhoward on February 25, 2026, 12:02:58 PMQuote from: upprdeck on February 23, 2026, 09:20:57 AMCornell doesnt own rights to any of the TV stuff and who knows who they sent out Denver to do any video/photos.
If so, the Ivies should negotiate rights to ESPN video for X Y Z purposes: game highlights up to X minutes in length, video with and without the text and graphics overlays, player highlights, scouting opponents and own-self, vodep in fullest resolution, etcetera. At the level Cornell plays at in most sports, it's not as if we're taken millions out of ESPN's pockets.
i think in general it isn't espn but the host school that controls the tape. it was very annoying, for example, when we once beat Harvard 3-1 on the road and the highlights on their website were Harvard's goal and a bunch of Harvard saves.
I notice in the published game notes that the pronunciation for Blake and Jack Cascadden is CASS-cad-din.
Our announcers always stress the middle syllable. Anyone have any insight on the proper pronunciation? Thanks.
Quote from: mike1960 on February 27, 2026, 01:54:48 PMI notice in the published game notes that the pronunciation for Blake and Jack Cascadden is CASS-cad-din.
Our announcers always stress the middle syllable. Anyone have any insight on the proper pronunciation? Thanks.
i noticed that this is what they were saying in the highlights of either hobart or denver and it was driving me crazy. i guess they were right! kind of funny that we all instinctively thought cas-CAD-din despite the gorge.
Princeton 11 Syracuse 7 (at Princeton)
Princeton took a 5-0 lead in the first.
We out here.
(https://i.ibb.co/PsVDdHyy/IMG20260228111904.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ymx4rjCC)
Realized I forgot my sunglasses, lmao.
I like the guy out here in warmups, fully on a four-wheel scooter because one of his legs is messed up, still taking part with the guys 😂
Also, anyone know why the back of every single practice jersey has a 21?
Quote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 11:26:14 AMAlso, anyone know why the back of every single practice jersey has a 21?
A serious question?
Quote from: mike1960 on February 28, 2026, 11:30:47 AMQuote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 11:26:14 AMAlso, anyone know why the back of every single practice jersey has a 21?
A serious question?
Yes... I'm not well-versed in lax at all 😅
Quote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 11:32:31 AMQuote from: mike1960 on February 28, 2026, 11:30:47 AMQuote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 11:26:14 AMAlso, anyone know why the back of every single practice jersey has a 21?
A serious question?
Yes... I'm not well-versed in lax at all 😅
https://www.boiardifoundation.org/about-george
Quote from: mike1960 on February 28, 2026, 11:33:22 AMQuote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 11:32:31 AMQuote from: mike1960 on February 28, 2026, 11:30:47 AMQuote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 11:26:14 AMAlso, anyone know why the back of every single practice jersey has a 21?
A serious question?
Yes... I'm not well-versed in lax at all 😅
https://www.boiardifoundation.org/about-george
Oh... wow. Jeez. Flipped through another article or two about him. I get it now.
That also explains the hard hat with the 21 on the sidelines.
Good cut by Firth, pass from Goldstein.
Tied 1-1
The Arachnids are playing excellent defense. We'll need to get the cutting game going.
I miss Barry.
Tic-tac-toe
2-1 Firth goal
Not sure why Dooley left his man wide open on the wing.
2-2
Nurry and Nikolic both out. Need to recruit more 5-star players so they can't all get hurt. Can't win a faceoff. Put Melkonian in.
Kind of what was expected. A hard fought close game. Great defensive work on both sides.
Tied 2-2 after one.
can we call in the bullpen camera operator?
what happened earlier there where they couldnt find the ballcarrier for 10 secs ( play had moved to other side of the field )
need FOGO play to improve, Tully keeping them in the game
Perfetto is more aggressive with the ball today. Good to see.
Lamb had a wide open shot from the 5x5 and missed.
He's got wheels getting down the field.
We're missing the net with so many shots.
Gilmartin with a good clear, remain in Offense and hit from distance for the lead 3-2
Nice shot in the five hole by double hockey sticks Gilmartin.
3-2 Cornell.
We are getting owned at the faceoff X.
Nice catch and shot on the wing by Perfetto.
4-2 Cornell.
Reardon with a really low percentage one-handed shot. We need to avoid those.
4-2 Cornell at the half.
Tully has been All-World in the nets. Around 10 saves and amazingly accurate outlet passes to guys running downfield.
Camera work much better, tighter, but still wide enough, this week.
Quote from: mike1960 on February 28, 2026, 12:53:02 PM4-2 Cornell at the half.
Tully has been All-World in the nets. Around 10 save and amazingly accurate outlet passes to guys running downfield.
Yes I was about to comment on Tully's outlets.
Also, seems to me that Goldstein is doing too many of his lob passes from behind the cage, they generally don't work.
Quote from: TimV on February 28, 2026, 12:56:02 PMCamera work much better, tighter, but still wide enough, this week.
well there was that 10sec stretch mid-Q1 here they kept pushing in to different 'ball carriers' near the substitution box while the action was 40 yards away ::)
Updates from Schoellkopf - my Norwegian friend ordered the loaded hot dog and is SHOCKED at the concept of a hot dog with more meat on it 😂
The game is going damn well right now, all things considered. Goalie is playing out of his MIND.
I know they are short personnel
But they really need Perfetto to put in more effort on the ride
Lamb with a wrecking ball clear
Quote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 01:09:29 PMUpdates from Schoellkopf - my Norwegian friend ordered the loaded hot dog and is SHOCKED at the concept of a hot dog with more meat on it 😂
I had that last night at Lynah. It wasn't half bad, but it might be one of the messiest things I've ever eaten.
Two goals from Ryan Goldstein coming from X with almost no angle. Incredible.
6-3 Cornell.
That's 2 BS backup calls against Cornell.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 28, 2026, 01:14:56 PMQuote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 01:09:29 PMUpdates from Schoellkopf - my Norwegian friend ordered the loaded hot dog and is SHOCKED at the concept of a hot dog with more meat on it 😂
I had that last night at Lynah. It wasn't half bad, but it might be one of the messiest things I've ever eaten.
Where the hell were you? I was looking around and couldn't spot you. Haha.
Norwegian friend made surprisingly little mess, all things considered. And is now going to get a second.
Defensive lapse. Left the shooter on the weak side wide open for a skip pass, shot, and goal.
6-4
Quote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 01:23:22 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 28, 2026, 01:14:56 PMQuote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 01:09:29 PMUpdates from Schoellkopf - my Norwegian friend ordered the loaded hot dog and is SHOCKED at the concept of a hot dog with more meat on it 😂
I had that last night at Lynah. It wasn't half bad, but it might be one of the messiest things I've ever eaten.
Where the hell were you? I was looking around and couldn't spot you. Haha.
Norwegian friend made surprisingly little mess, all things considered. And is now going to get a second.
Just sent you a DM - Top row of G, seats 19 & 20 (my friend doesn't need the handicapped seats anymore).
Two shots over Tully's shoulder from the wing.
6-5 going into the 4th.
Beautiful bounce shot by Waldman from the wing.
7-5
Staub taps the cutter on the back with his stick as the Spider goes in front of the goal, receives the pass, and scores.
7-6 Cornell.
Cascadden is having more success with the basic clamp and control. His rake was not getting it done.
These two schools are also playing each other in baseball, and I actually hit the link for that game at first. Didn't realize the season started this early for the Ivys
That really was a cheap shot against Goldstein. Blindsided. The Spiders are lucky that's releasable.
Richmond killed the penalty.
Third goal from the wing. High to high on Tully.
All tied 7-7
4:43 left in the game.
Now 7-8.
Richmond goal with a minute left.
Cascadden jumped a little early. Richmond ball.
8-7
Cornell ball in the offensive end. Time out.
Richmond 8 Cornell 7
13.4 seconds left.
maybe heading to Penn State we can get better officiating in a Big10 venue
Setting aside the complete implosion on faceoffs, this team does not have enough offensive firepower without at least one of Nurry or Nikolic.
Richmond wins 8-7.
They earned it. They played great defense on possession after possession, killing man up opportunities in the process. They are rated #3 for a reason.
We missed Rowyn Nurry, but even so we need to find more offense without him. For whatever reason, we have decided this season to pass up all fast break opportunities. I think we are leaving goals on the field if we don't look for them.
Looking forward to more indepth insights from those more knowledgeable than me
But hopefully Nikolic and and Nurry can rehab and be available sooner than later
Tully was very good, particularly in the 1st half when Cornell couldnt win a FO to save their life
With the roster healthy I think the upside on this team is very good. seeing underclassmen really take the next step. Lamb and Gilmartin both had excellent games to my eye. D had some lapses, but that is a good Richmond offense and they caused their share of shot clock violations. We miss the riding strength of Kirst and Long. I noted Perfetto seemed lost in the ride, 2 of the next 3 clear attempts he was more active and Richmond struggled.
Quote from: Cornell95 on February 28, 2026, 02:09:40 PMLooking forward to more indepth insights from those more knowledgeable than me
But hopefully Nikolic and and Nurry can rehab and be available sooner than later
Tully was very good, particularly in the 1st half when Cornell couldnt win a FO to save their life
With the roster healthy I think the upside on this team is very good. seeing underclassmen really take the next step. Lamb and Gilmartin both had excellent games to my eye. D had some lapses, but that is a good Richmond offense and they caused their share of shot clock violations. We miss the riding strength of Kirst and Long. I noted Perfetto seemed lost in the ride, 2 of the next 3 clear attempts he was more active and Richmond struggled.
I think you are right on with your analysis. I saw in the notes that CJ was ranked 4th in caused turnovers in the history of Cornell lacrosse. That's insane for someone playing attack.
Last year, when a defense locked us down, we could count on CJ to bail us out. We need to figure something else out. I thought sending cutters would create some offense, but Richmond did a terrific job checking our sticks as the ball arrived. We missed some shots, took some poor ones. A lot of credit to that Richmond defense.
Quote from: mike1960 on February 28, 2026, 02:16:00 PMQuote from: Cornell95 on February 28, 2026, 02:09:40 PMLooking forward to more indepth insights from those more knowledgeable than me
But hopefully Nikolic and and Nurry can rehab and be available sooner than later
Tully was very good, particularly in the 1st half when Cornell couldnt win a FO to save their life
With the roster healthy I think the upside on this team is very good. seeing underclassmen really take the next step. Lamb and Gilmartin both had excellent games to my eye. D had some lapses, but that is a good Richmond offense and they caused their share of shot clock violations. We miss the riding strength of Kirst and Long. I noted Perfetto seemed lost in the ride, 2 of the next 3 clear attempts he was more active and Richmond struggled.
I think you are right on with your analysis. I saw in the notes that CJ was ranked 4th in caused turnovers in the history of Cornell lacrosse. That's insane for someone playing attack.
Last year, when a defense locked us down, we could count on CJ to bail us out. We need to figure something else out. I thought sending cutters would create some offense, but Richmond did a terrific job checking our sticks as the ball arrived. We missed some shots, took some poor ones. A lot of credit to that Richmond defense.
The ride , which was a strong point the past few seasons, is non-existent this season. Kirst and Long were great on the ride.
Princeton takes out UNC and Penn drops a game against Syracuse which they had a substantial lead before the OT. I don't think there's any doubt that the Ivy League won't be competitive enough this year to get a few teams into the NCAA's
Quote from: Iceberg on March 01, 2026, 04:28:07 PMPrinceton takes out UNC and Penn drops a game against Syracuse which they had a substantial lead before the OT. I don't think there's any doubt that the Ivy League won't be competitive enough this year to get a few teams into the NCAA's
The Princeton goalie was very impressive today.
I watched the 2nd half of the Penn/SU game
Every reaining school on the SU schedule should be practicing a 10 man ride against them
That Gait and March havent fixed this since week 1 against Boston is criminal
Penn dominated at FO for the first half, and SU's Mullen getting hot in the 4th really allowed SU to climb back in to it.
Penn close defense was very physical and active with their sticks, may be problematic for our undersized attack and midfield
Officiating was similarly questionable to the Cornell/Richmond game
Penn took a taunting penalty on their first goal, and SU in the middle of their comeback took one in the 2nd half (which led to the bench also getting an unsportsmanlike which led to a 2man down condition)
Penn announcers were not great
With Syracuse playing Harvard, Princeton, Penn, and Colgate this season, it feels like they're trolling Cornell by pointedly not putting us on the schedule.
We really need to get Nurry and/or Nikolic healthy. If we can't, other teams will just stick their best defenders on Goldstein and Firth and we won't be able to create much of anything, as we saw in the Richmond game.
Did not realize that offensive midfields were so unproductive against Richmond I saw Quint Kessinich's Top Twenty post on the Inside Lacrosse website. Maybe Coach Buszek and staff will shake up the personnel to get better production? Was extremely impressed with the short stick dmiddies: Box, Gilmartin, and Lamb.
Coaches were already trying different combos of o mids during the Richmond game. This is not a coaching issue, this is a talent on the team issue. We've not seen effective o-mid replacements for last year's Kelleher, Dalton, Sheehan, Firth (who moved to attack).
Latest NCAA top ten rankings USA Lacrosse magazine.
1. Notre Dame
2. Richmond
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
6. North Carolina
7. Ohio State
8. Cornell
9. Army
10.Syracuse
Quote from: CU77 on March 02, 2026, 06:17:19 PMCoaches were already trying different combos of o mids during the Richmond game. This is not a coaching issue, this is a talent on the team issue. We've not seen effective o-mid replacements for last year's Kelleher, Dalton, Sheehan, Firth (who moved to attack).
Yes, but. They lost by a goal to an excellent team, a team which they beat twice last year by one goal. No shame there. Let's see a good bounce back. We have a sufficiently difficult schedule both OOC and league that we can survive a few losses.
That seemed like a "bend but don't break" game, and Cornell nearly got it done. I would think that Richmond has a better idea about who they are this season than Cornell, given the losses and current injuries. A lot of national championship-sized holes to fill this year, and there are talented, but inexperienced players right now attempting to do so.
Kessinich in his weekly columnn / personal top twenty ranking disses Cornell for a weaker-than-2025 midfield. He has Cornell down to #10 and Richmond at #1.
USILA coaches week 4 (3/2/26) poll (who are slow to get their polls up. Goddamn, guys, you've learned to deal with an 80-second shotclock) have the polls this way:
1. Notre Dame (26 1sts)
2. Richmond (3)
3. Prunceton (2)
4. Duke
5. Harvard (1)
6. UNC
7. TOSU
8. Army
9. Cornell
10. Syracuse
11. Hopkins
12. Georgetown
13. Penn State (our lone 2025 loss)
14. Maryland
15. Denver
16. Rutgers
17. Virginia
18. UMass
19. Penn
20. BU
Also receiving votes, in order: Saint Joseph's, Sacred Heart, Brown, Utah, Albany, Villanova (12), Towson, Navy, Dartmouth, Providence, Yale (8 years removed from its 2018 championship, sort of like what happened to Yale hockey?), Long Island, Bucknell, Drexel.
So we have 3 Ivies in the top ten plus Penn in the top twenty,
QuoteQuint Kessenich, Inside Lacrosse
Matt Tully made 16 saves while Ryan Goldstein and Willem Firth scored twice and combined for two assists, but midfield production was in short supply; the first trio shot 1-of-14 and the Big Red got zero points from the bench. Rowyn Nurry was sidelined in a boot. He's going to be legit. I was impressed with Cornell's shortstick defensive midfielders and defense overall.
Richmond's face-off dominance was a factor; the Spiders won 11-of-18, including 3-of-5 in the final quarter, allowing them to control possession during their late run. Face-offs are more important in low possession games.
Cornell and Richmond were a combined 0-for-5 on EMO. Special teams will either be a weapon helping you win more games, or be a liability, leading you to lose more.
Quote from: billhoward on March 03, 2026, 07:49:22 PMKessinich in his weekly columnn / personal top twenty ranking disses Cornell
Sunrise, Sunset
Quote from: RichH on March 03, 2026, 08:17:02 PMQuote from: billhoward on March 03, 2026, 07:49:22 PMKessinich in his weekly columnn / personal top twenty ranking disses Cornell
Sunrise, Sunset
To quote something I heard at a previous NC$$ playoff game, "Suck it, Quint" (clap, clap...clap, clap, clap).
LOL guys, over at fanlax the Hopkins crowd is utterly convinced that Quint hates Hopkins (his alma mater).
IMO, he just calls 'em as he sees 'em, and always has.
And it's not so clear that we want him on our side anyway. I distinctly remember exactly when he said "I am done criticizing this year's edition of the Big Red" ...
Quote from: arugula on 3/3/2026, 3:00:39 PMQuote from: CU77 on 3/2/2026, 6:17:19 PMCoaches were already trying different combos of o mids during the Richmond game. This is not a coaching issue, this is a talent on the team issue. We've not seen effective o-mid replacements for last year's Kelleher, Dalton, Sheehan, Firth (who moved to attack). Yes, but. They lost by a goal to an excellent team, a team which they beat twice last year by one goal. No shame there. Let's see a good bounce back. We have a sufficiently difficult schedule both OOC and league that we can survive a few losses. We also should note three things:- We were playing what's now the #2 team in the country. As an Ivy, we've had substantially less time to practice so far this season.
- We lost one of the best classes in Cornell history from last year. Consequently, we are quite young as a team. Youth affects players individually and as a team. They have to learn to play together. This makes shorter practice even more significant.
- Lacrosse is a sport that is taught and learned. Individual players can improve tremendously during a season or over a four-year career. The good news is Coach Buczek is proven to be one of the best, if not the best, young coaches in the world. We did lose coach Stevens, but we have an excellent replacement in Coach Ciferri, who I believe is taking Coach Stevens' place. But he too must grow into the job.
Quote from: Ken711 on March 02, 2026, 10:45:42 PMLatest NCAA top ten rankings USA Lacrosse magazine.
1. Notre Dame
2. Richmond
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
6. North Carolina
7. Ohio State
8. Cornell
9. Army
10.Syracuse
Quote from: arugula on March 03, 2026, 03:00:39 PMQuote from: CU77 on March 02, 2026, 06:17:19 PMCoaches were already trying different combos of o mids during the Richmond game. This is not a coaching issue, this is a talent on the team issue. We've not seen effective o-mid replacements for last year's Kelleher, Dalton, Sheehan, Firth (who moved to attack).
Yes, but. They lost by a goal to an excellent team, a team which they beat twice last year by one goal. No shame there. Let's see a good bounce back. We have a sufficiently difficult schedule both OOC and league that we can survive a few losses.
Also, consider this:
- We were playing what's now the #2 team in the country. As an Ivy, we've had substantially less time to practice so far this season.
- We lost one of the best classes in Cornell history from last year. Consequently, we are quite young as a team. Youth affects players individually and as a team. They have to learn to play together. This makes shorter practice even more significant.
- Lacrosse is a sport that is taught and learned. Individual players can improve tremendously during a season or over a four-year career. The good news is Coach Buczek is proven to be one of the best, if not the best, young coaches in the world. We did lose coach Stevens, but we have an excellent replacement in Coach Ciferri, who I believe is taking Coach Stevens' place. But he too must grow into the job.
Quote from: Swampy on March 04, 2026, 05:33:09 PMQuote from: Ken711 on March 02, 2026, 10:45:42 PMLatest NCAA top ten rankings USA Lacrosse magazine.
1. Notre Dame
2. Richmond
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
6. North Carolina
7. Ohio State
8. Cornell
9. Army
10.Syracuse
Quote from: arugula on March 03, 2026, 03:00:39 PMQuote from: CU77 on March 02, 2026, 06:17:19 PMCoaches were already trying different combos of o mids during the Richmond game. This is not a coaching issue, this is a talent on the team issue. We've not seen effective o-mid replacements for last year's Kelleher, Dalton, Sheehan, Firth (who moved to attack).
Yes, but. They lost by a goal to an excellent team, a team which they beat twice last year by one goal. No shame there. Let's see a good bounce back. We have a sufficiently difficult schedule both OOC and league that we can survive a few losses.
Also, consider this:
- We were playing what's now the #2 team in the country. As an Ivy, we've had substantially less time to practice so far this season.
- We lost one of the best classes in Cornell history from last year. Consequently, we are quite young as a team. Youth affects players individually and as a team. They have to learn to play together. This makes shorter practice even more significant.
- Lacrosse is a sport that is taught and learned. Individual players can improve tremendously during a season or over a four-year career. The good news is Coach Buczek is proven to be one of the best, if not the best, young coaches in the world. We did lose coach Stevens, but we have an excellent replacement in Coach Ciferri, who I believe is taking Coach Stevens' place. But he too must grow into the job.
I really like the defense Coach Ciferri has put on the field so far. The guys are playing together and playing hard through long offensive possessions. That's not easy. They've missed a couple of assignments, but giving up only 8 to the second ranked team is a good day's work. I'd hope to see Michael Marshall get in there a little bit more. He's got skills.
The PSU game will not be easy. Coach Tambroni always has ways to make life difficult for us.
A couple of more thoughts. If our shots were just a little more accurate, we would have had two or more goals in the Richmond game. We had 3 shots on goal the entire 4th quarter. We need to do a little better than that. Finally, Richmond beat us at ground balls. That's our game. We can't lose that stat.
Richmond gave us fits last year. They're a little better, we're a little worse. Not a tragedy. Make the tournament, make a run. Is the Ivy strong enough for us to lose a couple along the way?
Quote from: ugarte on March 05, 2026, 01:09:19 AMRichmond gave us fits last year. They're a little better, we're a little worse.
We're a lot worse than last year's team. But last year's team was one of the best in the history of college lacrosse
Quote from: BearLover on March 05, 2026, 01:27:33 AMQuote from: ugarte on March 05, 2026, 01:09:19 AMRichmond gave us fits last year. They're a little better, we're a little worse.
We're a lot worse than last year's team. But last year's team was one of the best in the history of college lacrosse
The O is worse. The D might be better.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on March 05, 2026, 06:54:27 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 05, 2026, 01:27:33 AMQuote from: ugarte on March 05, 2026, 01:09:19 AMRichmond gave us fits last year. They're a little better, we're a little worse.
We're a lot worse than last year's team. But last year's team was one of the best in the history of college lacrosse
The O is worse. The D might be better.
That's like saying the Chicago Bulls' O got worse in 1999 even if their D might have gotten slightly better
Quote from: BearLover on March 05, 2026, 09:22:24 AMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 05, 2026, 06:54:27 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 05, 2026, 01:27:33 AMQuote from: ugarte on March 05, 2026, 01:09:19 AMRichmond gave us fits last year. They're a little better, we're a little worse.
We're a lot worse than last year's team. But last year's team was one of the best in the history of college lacrosse
The O is worse. The D might be better.
That's like saying the Chicago Bulls' O got worse in 1999 even if their D might have gotten slightly better
Woe is me, woe is me! The needle is stuck again.
i think it's true but everyone knows it's true. yes, obviously we are a lot worse on offense because there isn't a go-to or a defense-magnet. but we're still pretty damn good and there isn't a 2025 Cornell out there waiting for us. this not-as-good team can still make a run. that's all i was saying.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on March 05, 2026, 10:10:03 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 05, 2026, 09:22:24 AMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 05, 2026, 06:54:27 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 05, 2026, 01:27:33 AMQuote from: ugarte on March 05, 2026, 01:09:19 AMRichmond gave us fits last year. They're a little better, we're a little worse.
We're a lot worse than last year's team. But last year's team was one of the best in the history of college lacrosse
The O is worse. The D might be better.
That's like saying the Chicago Bulls' O got worse in 1999 even if their D might have gotten slightly better
Woe is me, woe is me! The needle is stuck again.
It's your choice to be offended at an anodyne statement. You could instead look on the bright side that our team was the equivalent of the Jordan Bulls and that is pretty cool.
The PSU game will be streamed on the B1G+ network (and not on ESPN+), it costs $13 for a one-month pass:
https://www.bigtenplus.com/en-int/livestream/cornell-at-penn-state/2080862
much like Denver. Not having a decent one game option. so you need to find a few other games to make it seem like a deal.
Down 6-0 to PSU about to close out the first quarter. Another team looking to extract revenge for last season.
Not looking good.
bad enough to be getting torched by PSU, now the refs throwing the flag on that !
announcers are surprisingly pleasant
no shot clock displayed on the B1G+ feed ???
does coach keep Tully in there if they cant stop the bleeding and close the gap a little ?
another week with a lot of footing issues
can we get a new shoe contract ?
This has to be the most lopsided loss in recent Cornell history
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 02:36:39 PMThis has to be the most lopsided loss in recent Cornell history
I figured this to be a rebuilding year but I had no idea. Hope we make the Ivy tournament.
Not watching the game . Is Tully getting any help at all?
Quote from: jjanow99 on March 07, 2026, 02:43:15 PMNot watching the game . Is Tully getting any help at all?
defense has to be exhausted by now
biggest issue may be faceoff
he hasnt made many saves at all, and they havent all been SportsCenter shots
cant believe they havent pulled him if only to give the back up some reps
This is sport. Sometimes you win, sometimes, you lose, sometimes you get your backside handed to you on a platter.
The big question is how well this team learns from this experience to get better. Obviously, there's a lot to work on to turn this thing around an win the Ivy League. There's a lot of talent on this roster. They can do it.
The most shocking part by far is Cascadden. I didn't watch today's game, but it's hard to understand how he could dominate his whole career and then lay two absolute eggs in a row, unless he's injured (in which case he shouldn't be playing), or it's a total fluke.
Melkonian should get the start next week.
I was bullish before the season on the basis that Cascadden would be a beast and the team would have enough offensive firepower that last season either wasn't available (Nurry/Nikolic) or that was buried on the depth chart under all the fifth-years. Serves me right for being optimistic! Just kidding...
This weeks face-off issues aside (we are with 59% of the draws to date), the main issues with this team are (a) size on the offensive end and (b) clears / rides.
Size - You can't teach it. Attacking and First midfield now without 6'2" Kirst and 6'3" Kelleher. Last season we moved the ball quickly and ran through people. This year we can spin the rock but can't get inside a defense.
Clears - 81% clearing success rate is not good. We are 58th in NCAA Division 1 Lacrosse (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/team/838). Failed clears usually lead to high percentage scoring opportunities.
Rides - Opponents clearing success against us is 89%. Too easy.
Richmond was +4 against us 2 weeks ago. That was probably the difference in the game.
Yes-This year is more of struggle than I originally thought. Am hopeful the team can make Ivy playoffs. Princeton and Harvard look like the class of the league-am impressed with Princeton's depth.
Quote from: MattShaf on March 08, 2026, 03:13:45 PMThis weeks face-off issues aside (we are with 59% of the draws to date), the main issues with this team are (a) size on the offensive end and (b) clears / rides.
Size - You can't teach it. Attacking and First midfield now without 6'2" Kirst and 6'3" Kelleher. Last season we moved the ball quickly and ran through people. This year we can spin the rock but can't get inside a defense.
Clears - 81% clearing success rate is not good. We are 58th in NCAA Division 1 Lacrosse (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/team/838). Failed clears usually lead to high percentage scoring opportunities.
Rides - Opponents clearing success against us is 89%. Too easy.
Richmond was +4 against us 2 weeks ago. That was probably the difference in the game.
Clears, ground balls, turnovers, and accurate shooting. These are all things that we can fix with practice and effort. I expect to see big improvement in all these areas as our coaches and players get to work.
I don't think physical size matters nearly as much as skill, lacrosse IQ, speed, and team play on both sides of the field. Players need to get as strong as they can in the weight room, and CJ was a bruiser, but a Rob Pannell (5-9) or Jeff Teat (5-10) can also take a team to the promised land. Gavin Adler is only 5-8 and he is one of the best long pole we've ever had.
many of the clearing and turnover issues are self-imposed. Thats the part you can clean up hopefully.
Melkonian takes the first faceoff.
Quote from: mike1960 on March 14, 2026, 01:02:33 PMMelkonian takes the first faceoff.
Cascades injured? Melkonian 3 for 3.
The offense is cooking.
3-0 Cornell, first time out.
We obviously worked on our clears. They are clean and fast.
We looked for the fast break goal!!! We had a couple of opportunities there. I'm glad to see the change.
We still need better shooting. They will never go in if they're not inside the 6 x 6
Brown goes to a zone and we score right away. Waldman from about 12 yards top left.
4-0 Good Guys
Still in the zone. Worked the ball around, Riordan top left, score.
5-0
A little home cooking to get us back on track.
Melkonian getting the start over Casscadan and has taken all of the FOs so far
Looks good and often pushing the ball to where wings are getting GBs
No Nurry of Nikolic, not surprising given the cold weather and opponent
Brown doesnt have guys who can physically dominate our smaller midfield/attack like PSU did. We will see much more athletic teams in the Ivy though (Harvard/Princeton and even Penn I think) where getting Nikolic back in particular would be a boon
Looks chilly out there on that field.
5 for 5 on the faceoffs in the first quarter.
The MelkMan delivers.
Michael Marshall with a tough ground ball. I'm a big Michael Marshall fan.
Perfetto with a nice move to the front of the crease for a score. Great to see him aggressive with the ball.
6-1 Cornell
Fast break score!!
7-1
I do not understand that non-releasable penalty to Dooley. It looked like Dooley's stick was shoved aside by the Brown ball carrier, not by a hit to the head.
Staub with a pole goal with .2 seconds left in the half.
12-1 Good Guys at the half.
Welp
Jack Cascadden must be on the IL. Eli Friedman took the faceoff after a violation (and won it).
a nice palate cleanser before hockey but it's small comfort after basketball
I know some folks prefer the closer camera work, but the camera person trying to follow the ball is giving me vertigo.
Give me the wide angle shot.
Great fast break goal after lots of Brown scoring in the third.
14-6 going into the 4th.
If Brown isn't going to slide to Firth, he's going to score.
16-6 Cornell.
19-8 Cornell win!
Nice game to get things moving in the right direction.
7 or 8 EMO goals, good ball movement, and some good shooting.
Quote from: mike1960 on March 14, 2026, 02:09:33 PMI know some folks prefer the closer camera work, but the camera person trying to follow the ball is giving me vertigo.
Give me the wide angle shot.
There's a happy medium that most streams (of other teams) get right. Why our people can't figure it out is a mystery ...
sloppy second half for both teams, terrible last possession for penn. going to ot at 53-53.
A note about the defense today. Our long poles are making excellent decisions today on the slides and help. Lots of great teamwork to make the Brown Bears work hard to find open shots. But the hands free stepdowns hurt us again a few times. We have to hustle out on those shooters every single time and make them work for it.
It's a long season. If this young team keeps improving, we'll make some noise in May.
Quote from: ugarte on March 14, 2026, 03:48:11 PMsloppy second half for both teams, terrible last possession for penn. going to ot at 53-53.
Wild lacrosse game.
Quote from: ugarte on March 14, 2026, 03:48:11 PMsloppy second half for both teams, terrible last possession for penn. going to ot at 53-53.
That must be a record score for a lacrosse game :P
Good bounceback win. It looked 6 or 7 guys in streetclothes by the bench and Nurry is in the boot on the leg scooter. I too would like to see Nurry and Nikolic but there is a reason one carries a 50 man roster-Next man Up! and lets hope we develop more strength in our o-middies this season.
Quote from: rss77 on March 14, 2026, 04:53:33 PMGood bounceback win. It looked 6 or 7 guys in streetclothes by the bench and Nurry is in the boot on the leg scooter. I too would like to see Nurry and Nikolic but there is a reason one carries a 50 man roster-Next man Up! and lets hope we develop more strength in our o-middies this season.
If the injury is Boot Level bad, is there a chance he and Nikolic could apply for a medical red-shirt year? It's early enough.
Ivy League medical redshirt rules appear to say: Possible if injury occurred in the first half of the season and you played less than 30% of the games. Cornell plays 13 RS games and 30% is 3.9 games, so that's either 3 or (rounding allowed?) 4 games. Season stats show A Rowyn Nurry played the first 2 games (3-2—5), as did AJ Nikolic (1-0—1). Of course, you may be on the hook for another semester of tuition and/or you have to not be enrolled say fall of senior year or study 9 semesters but be sure to not graduate early.
If only the Ivies didn't consider graduate study to be at odds with athletics.
#10 (Media/Kane poll) at #3 Princeton Saturday 3/21 noon at Princeton Class of '52 Stadium. Get tickets now: 4,000 seats can fill up with two top-ten teams playing. About 60 degrees at gametime, 50-50 chance of rain. Ticket link. (https://athletics.tickets.princeton.edu/event/mens-lacrosse-vs-cornell-utyycb)
IIRC, one of the factors for making playoffs if you're not an autobid is record against bands ranked 1-5, 6-10, etcetera. Cornell versus the top 20 (ratings as of week of Saturday 3/21):
2 Richmond, lost 8-7
3 Princeton, Saturday
4 Harvard, 4/25 (RS finale), 12 noon at Schoellkopf
6 Duke, 4/11 on Long Island
9 Penn State, lost 19-7
10 Cornell
Outside the top ten, we beat #14 Denver, have yet to play at #19 Penn 4/4.
According to Cornell PR, Cornell has won the last six against the Tigers and, interesting if not a solid indicator, "Cornell owns a 3-0 record over the Tigers when Princeton is ranked inside the top five."
4 games vs teams inside the top 20 left they need 2 wins to get to 3-4 if they want to have a shot at an at large bid and make sure they are in a good spot come ivy league tourney
The Richmond game is the problem: We were ahead after the first 9 minutes, went up by 3 late in the third, stayed ahead by 1 or 2 until a tie in the final 5 minutes. Ahead by 1 or 2 is not quite "in control." The Spiders got the last 3 goals. We had a chance to tie in the final minute. It slipped away.
Our Penn State 12-goal margin-of-loss looks like an aberration: PSU 4-3 now with losses to Villanova 14-13 OT (#44 in RPI), Navy 12-11 (#22 in RPI), NC 10-8 (RPI 9). They beat Princeton (Tigers #1 RPI) by 6, Yale (13 RPI) by 10.
Not much discussion of the Duke game here or on FanLax. Anyone attending? Willing to give Corrigan Sports their money after prior poor quality broadcast?
I will be (reluctantly) ponying up the $16 ...
It's a crucial game for the at-large resume for both teams.
Won't be easy. Massey's computer rates it as a near toss-up, very slight edge to Duke.
We need the team that showed up for Princeton and Penn to be on the field ...
Quote from: Cornell95 on April 10, 2026, 06:01:45 PMNot much discussion of the Duke game here or on FanLax. Anyone attending? Willing to give Corrigan Sports their money after prior poor quality broadcast?
I'll be at the game, so I don't have to worry about the broadcast. Looks like we're in for nice weather. I hope we bring our "A" game.
I don't think it's a make-or-break game for us. I hope we play well, develop more as a team, and win. But the main thing for me is no injuries.
Won't be able to follow live, but will probably pay for the replay broadcast if we win. Hope the production improved from last year (which was brutal). I know they did two prior games this year but haven't looked at FanLax to see what people thought of them.
I'm still bullish on this team as they continue to get healthier and more experienced. Absent an AQ, Duke is likely to be a direct competition for one of the final at-large spots, so I think this game looms large for our chances to make the tournament, especially if we were to lose additional Ivy games.
In theory there is no AQ in ACC, since it's only a 5 team league. In fact, they commonly get 3 AQs. :-\
Loving Corrigan network's choice of hero images. Duke coach John Danowski with a nearly Albert Einstein shock of white hair vs. Willem Firth.
12 noon Corrigan Network match at Archbishop Spalding (Md HS): #4 North Carolina 17, #3 Harvard 7. Tar Heels were 23x27 on faceoffs, almost 2-1 on shots and SOGs. 10-3 at the half.
Read somewhere the webcast was to start at 1:30. Now hoping it will at 2.
On now. Corrigan brothers annoying as ever.
Stickwork looks great today
2-1 end of 1st Q. Lots of possession. too few goals.
Difficult getting hands free. Miss when we do.
Hopefully our ball movement has kept Duke running enough for them to be gassed later.
>>> Corrigan brothers annoying
This is like listening to the bad puns of a 1970s Triple-A radio broadcast, with 21st Century references. If this was student announcers, they might be called in to the dean's office for diversity training.
Cornell shots go off the post. "They've been hitten the pipe so often, you'd think they were in Washington, DC."
Cornell shot goes wide. "That shot went out so far left, it'll come back in bounds with a new pronoun."
Cornell gets 3 quick goes to start second half. "Momentum changes. ... Hide your wife."
[edit add] ... And more:
[paraphrasing] "Shot so far left ... Hunter Biden was on Jones Beach with a crack pipe."
"shot so far left ... Michael Moore is doing a documentary on it."
[And IIRC after goalie save] "Fat Jesus!" or "Phat"
Quote from: billhoward on April 11, 2026, 03:09:29 PM>>> Corrigan brothers annoying
This is like listening to the bad puns of a 1970s Triple-A radio broadcast, with 21st Century references. If this was student announcers, they might be called in to the dean's office for diversity training.
Cornell shots go off the post. "They've been hitten the pipe so often, you'd think they were in Washington, DC."
Cornell shot goes wide. "That shot went out so far left, it'll come back in bounds with a new pronoun."
Cornell gets 3 quick goes to start second half. "Momentum changes. ... Hide your wife."
Wow, sounds like these guys are total assholes.
just watching the boxscore
seems like Cornell picking up a lot of penalties
Big Red playing with a bit too much aggression, or the refs slanting things
The Red take it, 9-7. Tully is the hero once again.
Quote from: Cornell95 on April 11, 2026, 03:47:21 PMjust watching the boxscore
seems like Cornell picking up a lot of penalties
Big Red playing with a bit too much aggression, or the refs slanting things
Same here. Watching the box score. It looks like the scoring was really spread out among players.
Note: Michigan beat Penn State! (?)
Ohio State beat Hopkins. (Milliman's last year?)
Yale is up on Harvard 5-2 in the second.
Is double-bagel for a quarter as unusual as I'm thinking it is?
Quote from: billhoward on April 11, 2026, 03:09:29 PM>>> Corrigan brothers annoying
This is like listening to the bad puns of a 1970s Triple-A radio broadcast, with 21st Century references. If this was student announcers, they might be called in to the dean's office for diversity training.
Cornell shots go off the post. "They've been hitten the pipe so often, you'd think they were in Washington, DC."
Cornell shot goes wide. "That shot went out so far left, it'll come back in bounds with a new pronoun."
Cornell gets 3 quick goes to start second half. "Momentum changes. ... Hide your wife."
Are these real quotes from today?!?
Think we will be very thankful for that win when running through ncaa tourney projections around the time of the Ivy tourney
Quote from: stereax on April 11, 2026, 04:00:13 PMQuote from: billhoward on April 11, 2026, 03:09:29 PM>>> Corrigan brothers annoying
This is like listening to the bad puns of a 1970s Triple-A radio broadcast, with 21st Century references. If this was student announcers, they might be called in to the dean's office for diversity training.
Cornell shots go off the post. "They've been hitten the pipe so often, you'd think they were in Washington, DC."
Cornell shot goes wide. "That shot went out so far left, it'll come back in bounds with a new pronoun."
Cornell gets 3 quick goes to start second half. "Momentum changes. ... Hide your wife."
Are these real quotes from today?!?
Last year for Cornell-Syracuse it was something about pipes and Snoop Dog...
Yes, assholes.
Quote from: Robb on April 11, 2026, 03:58:18 PMIs double-bagel for a quarter as unusual as I'm thinking it is?
I can't remember ever seeing one.
Some people never grow out of their grandfather's linguistic stylings. You know, pissed you have to be polite and say "Negro."
Quote from: billhoward on April 11, 2026, 04:11:13 PMSome people never grow out of their grandfather's linguistic stylings. You know, pissed you have to be polite and say "Negro."
Sounds more like they workshopped their "jokes" with fellow dude-bros at dinner last night and worked them into the broadcast when they could.
I started the season thinking, If Tully was good, he would have been starting last year. Then we had the early loss to Penn State. Now, Tully and the defense have clamped down. They are good. The Wrong Way Corrigans in the announcing booth opined that Duke was not careful with some of its passes on offense. Or maybe Cornell is very good at playing D.
Maybe Michael Moore should make a movie on that.
Quote from: mike1960 on April 11, 2026, 04:16:39 PMSounds more like they workshopped their "jokes" with fellow dude-bros at dinner last night and worked them into the broadcast when they could.
They've been telling most of those same jokes for years now ...
On the plus side, they both know lax very well. George's comments on details of play are more insightful than those of the vast majority of announcers.
And this year the video production was greatly improved over last year.
Yale is playing big boy defense against Harvard.
Quote from: CU77 on April 11, 2026, 04:27:18 PMQuote from: mike1960 on April 11, 2026, 04:16:39 PMSounds more like they workshopped their "jokes" with fellow dude-bros at dinner last night and worked them into the broadcast when they could.
They've been telling most of those same jokes for years now ...
On the plus side, they both know lax very well. George's comments on details of play are more insightful than those of the vast majority of announcers.
And this year the video production was greatly improved over last year.
Even worse. The "jokes" are stupid and unworthy.
Quote from: CU77 on April 11, 2026, 04:27:18 PMAnd this year the video production was greatly improved over last year.
There seemed to be dissonance between the booth and the (not so hot) truck: A couple times Team Corrigan said on-air something like "a replay might show it ... "
and about ten secones later, there was a replay.
The scores bug at the bottom really took up screen real estate. The bottom one was just ads, promos and a attaboy-to-self for the Corrigan team. The upper bug with scores and shot clock time (but no Time Outs counter) was so tall, from a wide angle shot of a restart along the sideline, you counted to 3 and the devender then attacker merged into view. I might feel more charitable if it was five bucks not sixteen to watch, and not a painful logon.
I think RPI students do a better job with hockey.
Quote from: billhoward on April 11, 2026, 03:09:29 PM>>> Corrigan brothers annoying
This is like listening to the bad puns of a 1970s Triple-A radio broadcast, with 21st Century references. If this was student announcers, they might be called in to the dean's office for diversity training.
Cornell shots go off the post. "They've been hitten the pipe so often, you'd think they were in Washington, DC."
Cornell shot goes wide. "That shot went out so far left, it'll come back in bounds with a new pronoun."
Cornell gets 3 quick goes to start second half. "Momentum changes. ... Hide your wife."
[edit add] ... And more:
[paraphrasing] "Shot so far left ... Hunter Biden was on Jones Beach with a crack pipe."
"shot so far left ... Michael Moore is doing a documentary on it."
[And IIRC after goalie save] "Fat Jesus!" or "Phat"
Also, "shot so far left, he should get a guest spot on The View." If only they'd stick to the play by play, they do know lacrosse.
What does Harvard losing to Yale mean for our path to hosting the Ivy tourney?
Quote from: CU2007 on April 11, 2026, 05:58:07 PMWhat does Harvard losing to Yale mean for our path to hosting the Ivy tourney?
We are tied with Princeton and Harvard for first with identical 3-1 records. Harvard and Princeton play each other next weekend, so one of them will have two losses. Regardless of Harvard's loss today, we still have to win our final two games against them and Dartmouth to clinch the No. 1 seed and the regular season championship. There's probably some scenario where we could lose to Harvard and beat Dartmouth and still clinch the No. 1 seed, but once we have two losses that puts Yale into the picture as well, and they would own the tiebreaker ahead of us since they beat us.
Princeton, incidentally, trounced Penn, 20-8 today.
I was at the Harvard-Yale game today. Yale looked great and Harvard looked terrible.
Yale had a 32-21 edge on ground balls and an 18-10 edge on faceoffs. There were multiple times when Harvard tried to get the ball in front of the crease only to have its attackmen crushed by multiple Yale defenders.
There was one telling sequence early in the second quarter, after Harvard won a faceoff and scored a transition goal to cut Yale's lead to 5-3. There had been a penalty called on Yale on that play, so on the ensuing faceoff Harvard had an extra man out for the faceoff. If Harvard had scored then, it would have cut Yale's lead to 5-4. Instead, Harvard lost the faceoff and Yale ran out the penalty.
There was also a terrible Harvard turnover later in the game when a sloppy pass between two of its defensemen have a Yale player a clean shot on the goalie, which he converted.
Yale's leading scorer, Grogan, didn't score (I'm not even sure he played), but Cole Cashion, who had five goals all season coming into the game, scored five goals against Harvard.
What David Bilmes said. Also:
2026 Men's Lacrosse Standings as of 4/11, 2 weeks left
School Conf CPct. Overall Pct. Streak
Harvard 3-1 .750 9-2 .818 L1
Princeton 3-1 .750 9-2 .818 W4
Cornell 3-1 .750 7-3 .700 W2
Yale 3-2 .600 6-4 .600 W3
Penn 2-3 .400 5-6 .455 L2
Brown 1-3 .250 6-5 .545 W1
Dartmouth 0-4 .000 4-7 .364 L5
Key Ivy League games left
April 18
Princeton at Harvard
Cornell at Dartmouth
Penn at Brown
(Yale at Albany)
April 25
Harvard at Cornell
Yale at Brown
Dartmouth at Princeton
(Penn at Umass Friday 4/24)
Now that Yale laid the first Ivy loss on Harvard, if Cornell wins out (beats @Dartmouth (likely) and beats at-home-to-Harvard (could go either way)), Cornell hosts as the only remaining 3-1 team and has the tiebreaker over Princeton. In other permutations, Harvard or Princeton could host. For Harvard to host, that means they need to beat Princeton then Cornell.
Assuming 1-3 Brown and 0-4 Dartmouth do not beat a higher team.
tl;dr All the tiebreaker permutations below https://ivyleague.com/sports/2018/4/17/MLAX_0417180748.aspx
Men's Lacrosse Tournament Tiebreakers
[updated per coach group decision prior to 2023 season]
1. In the case of two-way ties between teams in the final standings, the higher seed will be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.
2. In the case of a multiple ties (more than two teams with the same record), the following procedure will be used:
The highest seed will go to the team with the best cumulative record against all other teams tied at that spot. (If multiple teams are tied with the same record, the tie between those teams will be broken on the basis of cumulative record against each other)
Once a highest seed(s) (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the initial tie is broken. The tie between the remaining teams will be determined on the basis of cumulative record against all other remaining teams tied at that spot.
This procedure will be repeated until all possible ties are broken. (If there are remaining unbroken ties within the group, the remaining tied teams move on to step 3.)
3. In the case of a multiple team tie that cannot be broken on the basis of review of cumulative record:
The highest seed will go to the team that has beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie and continuing through the full league standings (If multiple teams have beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie, the tie between those teams will be broken on the basis of cumulative record against each other).
Once a highest seed(s) (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the initial tie is broken. The tie between the remaining teams shall be determined on the basis of cumulative record against all other remaining teams tied at that spot.
This procedure will be completed until all possible ties are broken. (If there remaining unbroken ties within the group, the remaining tied teams move on to step 4.)
4. If a tie still persists, add the goals for and against in the games between the tied teams. The team (s) with the greatest goal differential gets highest seed (6-goal maximum differential per game). (If a tie persists in which multiple teams have the same greatest goal differentials, the tie between those teams will be broken on the basis of cumulative record against each other). Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the remaining seeds will be determined on the basis of cumulative record against each other.
5. If a tie still persists, add the goals for and against the highest seeded team(s) outside of the tied team and continuing through the full league standings. The team with the greatest goal differential against the highest seeded team outside of the tie gets higher seed (6-goal maximum differential per game). Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the remaining seeds will be determined on the next greatest goal differential.
6. If a tie still exists, the NCAA RPI ratings after all games have been completed will be utilized to determine the higher seed.
7. If a tie still persists, it will be broken by a random draw conducted by the Executive Director. If this occurs in determining the tournament's #1 seed, the team first drawn in the random draw selects:
a. To host the tournament and occupy the #3 seed, or:
b. To claim the #1 seed. If drawn team elects the #1 seed, hosting privileges go to the #2 seed.
c. If the tournament will be at a neutral site the first team drawn will be the #1 seed.
Massey gives Dartmouth an under 10% chance of winning each of their two final games (against Cornell and Princeton) and Brown an under 30% chance of winning each of their two final games (against Penn and Yale). So assuming these four games go to the favorites, here are the remaining games and the resulting ILT seedings:
Pr>H C>H C Pr Y H
Pr>H H>C Pr Y H C
H>Pr C>H C Y H Pr
H>Pr H>C H Y C Pr
Pretty sure I got these right but please do double check ...
Quote from: CU77 on April 11, 2026, 07:39:47 PMMassey gives Dartmouth an under 10% chance of winning each of their two final games (against Cornell and Princeton) and Brown an under 30% chance of winning each of their two final games (against Penn and Yale). So assuming these four games go to the favorites, here are the remaining games and the resulting ILT seedings:
Pr>H C>H C Pr Y H
Pr>H H>C Pr Y H C
H>Pr C>H C Y H Pr
H>Pr H>C H Y C Pr
Pretty sure I got these right but please do double check ...
In short, assuming we beat Dartmouth, if we beat Harvard, we host!
Quote from: mike1960 on April 11, 2026, 03:57:27 PMQuote from: Cornell95 on April 11, 2026, 03:47:21 PMjust watching the boxscore
seems like Cornell picking up a lot of penalties
Big Red playing with a bit too much aggression, or the refs slanting things
Same here. Watching the box score. It looks like the scoring was really spread out among players.
Note: Michigan beat Penn State! (?)
Ohio State beat Hopkins. (Milliman's last year?)
Yale is up on Harvard 5-2 in the second.
We were aggressive on defense all game. SSDM were grinding and poles were sliding with conviction. Referees were fast with the flags. Without the EMO goals we hold Duke to only 5 goals. Cascadden and Staub tallies were pure juice and the Offense had enough today for a big win. Great atmosphere for the Big Red with a large fan base in attendance
Yale is at home vs Albany. Don't want dbilmes to miss it. ;)
Any chance there will be some highlights posted soon?
Some field-level highlights from Inside Lacrosse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF7NVI23m_8
I'm about 95% sure that Cornell, Princeton, and Harvard are all locks for the ILT, with Yale most likely to be the 4th team in. Brown and Penn both still have outside chances to replace Yale.
Cornell will host with wins over both Dartmouth and Harvard, will not host with a loss to either.
Quote from: CU77 on April 12, 2026, 05:36:08 PMI'm about 95% sure that Cornell, Princeton, and Harvard are all locks for the ILT, with Yale most likely to be the 4th team in. Brown and Penn both still have outside chances to replace Yale.
Cornell will host with wins over both Dartmouth and Harvard, will not host with a loss to either.
Cornell announced Saturday that due to results over the weekend, Cornell has clinched a berth in the Ivy tournament.
how does the at-large picture look in, say, a not-quite wrist case scenario: beat Dartmouth but lose to Harvard and in the ILT SF?
Quote from: ugarte on April 12, 2026, 08:29:53 PMhow does the at-large picture look in, say, a not-quite wrist case scenario: beat Dartmouth but lose to Harvard and in the ILT SF?
Bubble seems weak this year and there's been a not insignificant number of bizarre results (e.g., PSU losing to Michigan yesterday), but even with losing 2 of the last 3, we're probably in. W over Princeton looms large, as does the W over Duke (who is likely a direct competitor for an at-large in this scenario).
9-2 over High Point at halftime
The High Point goalie is overmatched today.
The camera work is making my eyeballs swim.
In case anyone cares, we beat High Point, 17-9, on Monday. Firth had five goals and Luzzi had four. We led, 9-2, at halftime and coasted from there.
And also:
Willem Firth 5 goals on 9 shots
Brian Luzzi 4 goals on 5 shots
Freshman Rowyn Nurry with 2 goals Tuesday, back from IR, has scored in each of the games he's played, 2 games in February, none in March, 3 so far in April.
Midweek games were a big thing a lifetime ago, played on Lower Alumni Field which is now Comstock Hall, built 1985. Cornell versus Hobart, Syracuse, Cortland State et al where the visitor was an upstate college and the game was a day trip. What reminded me of the '70s was the warm weather (high 70s) and Tuesday's midweek attendance: 213.
Quote from: billhoward on April 15, 2026, 02:23:12 PMWhat reminded me of the '70s was the warm weather (high 70s) and Tuesday's midweek attendance: 213.
This game started at noon--I assume the students on campus were in class--I wonder if attendance would have been better if the game had been at, say, 4:00 p.m.
I would like to say this gave High Point a chance to bus back and be home before midnight. Except I see it's 600 miles and 10 hours drive-time. You'd need two bus drivers; there's a limit of 10 hours per driver before a mandatory 8-hour minimum time away from dirver, per the feds (https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Interstate-Passenger-Carrying-Driver-Guide-To-HOS.pdf). So maybe they flew Syracuse-Greensboro NC (15 miles away). Otherwise yes it would have made sense to have an afternoon game. I think there must have been big falloff from player parents trying to get to Ithaca and do it in a single day.
BTW High Point is the school where they meet prospective students / parents with a covered golf cart and that's how you tour campus. IIRC High Point is also the school that had severe constraints on what students can put up on the public walls of the dorms. (But then I see Cornell is powerwashing away chalk inscriptions on the sidewalks in advance of admitted students/parents visits.) 75% admit rate at High Point, 85% for early-decision (and early lock-in).
High Point touts itself as the nation's number one lifeskills university (write your own punchline). They also have a link on their athletics page to make NIL gifts.
Quote from: George64 on April 16, 2026, 02:31:02 PMHigh Point touts itself as the nation's number one lifeskills university (write your own punchline). They also have a link on their athletics page to make NIL gifts.
And the life skills include fine dining (https://finedining.highpoint.edu/)!
Quote from: billhoward on April 16, 2026, 02:06:17 PMSo maybe they flew Syracuse-Greensboro NC (15 miles away).
The school chartered a jet for students to fly to the men's basketball team's NCAA tournament games. so I would bet the athletes fly for a trip that long.
The NCAA covers travel costs for tournament games. Willing to bet that they traveled by bus for lacrosse.
Quote from: rss77 on April 17, 2026, 06:07:41 PMThe NCAA covers travel costs for tournament games. Willing to bet that they traveled by bus for lacrosse.
For the players, not regular students. High Point chartered a jet for regular students.
Princeton beat Harvard.
Great game. Tied at 13-13 and Harvard passed to the man in the crease attack position, who bounced one in. Then Princeton set an off ball-pick screen for Palumbo who scored free hands from the top right.
We need to do much more of this kind of scoring: cutting, off ball screens, good passes the middies in front of the crease. Too often we take low-percentage outside shots (they will work against a High Point but not against a Harvard) or we try to win ISOs to shoot or pass. But we run into teams like Yale that shut down the ISO and then we're pretty much stuck.
Maybe I'm complaining too much here but we basically play a 1-4-1 with two attacks on the wings and two middies sinking in front of the goal for passes or to screen the goalie. (We sometimes look like a 2-3-2 when the weak side attack moves upfield.) Those two crease middies don't get open very often and so they don't get the ball very often. I think they need to work harder. I know they have assignments in the motion offense (for instance, move to upfield on the drive down the alley to draw away the help), but they do seem to just stand around a lot in my view instead of working to open spaces for passes. /rant over
The final score: Princeton with a wrap around from X because of a hung defenseman.
Quote from: rss77 on April 17, 2026, 06:07:41 PMThe NCAA covers travel costs for tournament games. Willing to bet that they traveled by bus for lacrosse.
Maybe High Point thought it could match Richmond's rise in lacrosse, so why not push some money at it under the heading "Raising High Point's Profile. US News has it ranked #1 in Regional Colleges (not universities) South and #1 in Most Innovative.
All remaining ILT scenarios:
C>H: C Pr Y H
H>C & Y>B: Pr Y H C
H>C & B>Y: Pr H C Pe
Unlisted games do not matter.
Beat Harvard in Ithaca Saturday 4/25, Cornell hosts the Ivy League Tournament (again). Standings as of 4/25 and Saturday's opponents:
1. Princeton 4-1 Dartmouth (close to guaranteed win)
1. Cornell 4-1 Harvard
3. Harvard 3-2 @Cornell
3. Yale 3-2 @Brown
5. Penn 3-3 Ivy season finished (@Umass Friday)
6. Brown 1-4 Brown
7. Dartmouth 0-5 @Princeton (even closer to a guaranteed win)
Princeton's loss is to Cornell, Cornell's to Yale, Harvard's to Princeton & Yale, Yale's to Princeton & Penn, Penn to Harvard, Cornell & Princeton. Lose to Harvard, I believe we are the 3 or 4 seed, and Princeton is the 1-seed.
I saw that #20 Utah beat Queens College yesterday, 18-0. I don't ever remember seeing a shutout in college lacrosse before.
Quote from: djk26 on April 19, 2026, 04:26:44 PMI saw that #20 Utah beat Queens College yesterday, 18-0. I don't ever remember seeing a shutout in college lacrosse before.
Cornell shutout Washington & Lee 14-0 in the 1976 NCAA tournament.
Quote from: djk26 on April 19, 2026, 04:26:44 PMI saw that #20 Utah beat Queens College yesterday, 18-0. I don't ever remember seeing a shutout in college lacrosse before.
1976 NCAA quarterfinal. You can look it up here:
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule/1976
May 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
[edit add:] As others have noted, overtime in 1976 was two 4-minute overtimes, not sudden death. Note also that Cornell was down 7-2 at the half, closed deficit to 9-8 after 3 periods.
Cornell (16–0) 1 1 6 4 4 16
Maryland (10–1) 1 6 2 3 1 13
Cornell scoring – Mike French 7, Jon Levine 4, Bill Marino 2, Steve Dybus, Gary Malm, Bob Henrickson
Maryland scoring – Frank Urso 2, John Lamon 2, Ed Mullen 2, Barry Mitchell, Lance Kohler, Bert Caswell, Bert Olsen, Jim Burnett, Greg Rumpf, Terry Kimball
Shots: Maryland 58, Cornell 43
Saves: Cornell Dan Mackesey 28, Maryland Jake Reed 15 - Andre Pantelides 0
Location: Providence, RI (Brown Stadium) - 5/29/1976
Attendance: 11,954
so it looks like we play Harvard the next 2 games no matter what happens. one chance we play the at home and two ways we play them on the road.
Quote from: billhoward on April 19, 2026, 08:09:31 PMMay 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
Dan Mackesey Ithaca High '72
Quote from: upprdeck on April 19, 2026, 08:46:20 PMso it looks like we play Harvard the next 2 games no matter what happens. one chance we play the at home and two ways we play them on the road.
Per CU77's charting, the middle scenario of us losing to Harvard next week coupled with a Yale win over Brown puts us as the 4 seed with Princeton hosting.
Quote from: billhoward on April 19, 2026, 08:09:31 PMMay 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
At that time, two four-minute overtimes, changing ends of the field. Much fairer way to determine the winner of a tied lacrosse game.
I agree that sudden death overtime in lacrosse stinks.
And if 50 years ago was really the last shutout in college lacrosse (there were probably others, maybe that was the last for Cornell), then my original point stands regarding the rarity of a shutout.
Quote from: jjanow99 on April 19, 2026, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: billhoward on April 19, 2026, 08:09:31 PMMay 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
Dan Mackesey Ithaca High '72
Mackesey was also the starting goalie for the men's soccer team. Those were the days when it was more common for star athletes to play two sports. Brock Tredway, for example, was a star hockey player for Cornell in the late '70s who also was on the soccer team.
Quote from: dbilmes on April 20, 2026, 05:07:05 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on April 19, 2026, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: billhoward on April 19, 2026, 08:09:31 PMMay 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
Dan Mackesey Ithaca High '72
Mackesey was also the starting goalie for the men's soccer team. Those were the days when it was more common for star athletes to play two sports. Brock Tredway, for example, was a star hockey player for Cornell in the late '70s who also was on the soccer team.
Bruce Cohen, lacrosse hall of famer, led the Ivy League in goals one year playing soccer. Also, a starting guard on freshman basketball team. Busy guy. No NIL, either.
Quote from: dbilmes on April 20, 2026, 05:07:05 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on April 19, 2026, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: billhoward on April 19, 2026, 08:09:31 PMMay 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
Dan Mackesey Ithaca High '72
Mackesey was also the starting goalie for the men's soccer team. Those were the days when it was more common for star athletes to play two sports. Brock Tredway, for example, was a star hockey player for Cornell in the late '70s who also was on the soccer team.
From my era, John Bayne '88, three-season athlete. All-Ivy soccer star and standout in indoor and outdoor track, with 4.0 GPA (pre-grade inflation) as a MechE.
For those who aren't aware, Christian Swezey, who a few years ago wrote a fantastic book about Cornell's legendary 1970's teams, has just released a chronicle of last year's championship run:
https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9781501790881/the-long-red-line/#bookTabs=1
It's also available through Amazon and most likely other outlets.
Quote from: scoop85 on April 22, 2026, 08:57:32 AMFor those who aren't aware, Christian Swezey, who a few years ago wrote a fantastic book about Cornell's legendary 1970's teams, has just released a chronicle of last year's championship run:
https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9781501790881/the-long-red-line/#bookTabs=1
It's also available through Amazon and most likely other outlets.
Quint wrote a nice blurb for the book. I'm surprised.
Quote from: mike1960 on April 22, 2026, 10:48:55 AMQuote from: scoop85 on April 22, 2026, 08:57:32 AMFor those who aren't aware, Christian Swezey, who a few years ago wrote a fantastic book about Cornell's legendary 1970's teams, has just released a chronicle of last year's championship run:
https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9781501790881/the-long-red-line/#bookTabs=1
It's also available through Amazon and most likely other outlets.
Quint wrote a nice blurb for the book. I'm surprised.
I think Quint's been pretty fair to our program in recent years.
Quote from: scoop85 on April 22, 2026, 11:28:10 AMQuote from: mike1960 on April 22, 2026, 10:48:55 AMQuote from: scoop85 on April 22, 2026, 08:57:32 AMFor those who aren't aware, Christian Swezey, who a few years ago wrote a fantastic book about Cornell's legendary 1970's teams, has just released a chronicle of last year's championship run:
https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9781501790881/the-long-red-line/#bookTabs=1
It's also available through Amazon and most likely other outlets.
Quint wrote a nice blurb for the book. I'm surprised.
I think Quint's been pretty fair to our program in recent years.
Mostly true, but I point out that if it wasn't a nice blurb, it wouldn't have been used.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on April 20, 2026, 08:49:49 PMQuote from: dbilmes on April 20, 2026, 05:07:05 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on April 19, 2026, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: billhoward on April 19, 2026, 08:09:31 PMMay 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
Dan Mackesey Ithaca High '72
Mackesey was also the starting goalie for the men's soccer team. Those were the days when it was more common for star athletes to play two sports. Brock Tredway, for example, was a star hockey player for Cornell in the late '70s who also was on the soccer team.
Bruce Cohen, lacrosse hall of famer, led the Ivy League in goals one year playing soccer. Also, a starting guard on freshman basketball team. Busy guy. No NIL, either.
All-American hockey defenseman Harry Orr '67 played lacrosse when Ned Harkness was coach. He had a wicked underhand shot. According to legend, Ned said he couldn't play hockey if he didn't play lacrosse. Ned's lax teams were 35 and 1. No NCAA championship in that era.
Quote from: George64 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:55 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on April 20, 2026, 08:49:49 PMQuote from: dbilmes on April 20, 2026, 05:07:05 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on April 19, 2026, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: billhoward on April 19, 2026, 08:09:31 PMMay 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
Dan Mackesey Ithaca High '72
Mackesey was also the starting goalie for the men's soccer team. Those were the days when it was more common for star athletes to play two sports. Brock Tredway, for example, was a star hockey player for Cornell in the late '70s who also was on the soccer team.
Bruce Cohen, lacrosse hall of famer, led the Ivy League in goals one year playing soccer. Also, a starting guard on freshman basketball team. Busy guy. No NIL, either.
All-American hockey defenseman Harry Orr '67 played lacrosse when Ned Harkness was coach. He had a wicked underhand shot. According to legend, Ned said he couldn't play hockey if he didn't play lacrosse. Ned's lax teams were 35 and 1. No NCAA championship in that era.
This is not entirely true. Schools located within 100 miles of Baltimore were often (i.e., always) voted the national champion.
Voted. No NCAA championship determined by tournament.
Also, Harry Orr broke a goalie's ankle with that shot. Dartmouth I think, on what was then lower alumni field.
Quote from: TimV on April 23, 2026, 08:09:33 AMVoted. No NCAA championship determined by tournament.
Also, Harry Orr broke a goalie's ankle with that shot. Dartmouth I think, on what was then lower alumni field.
Any comment on those playing two sports, Tim?
Quote from: marty on April 23, 2026, 12:07:53 PMQuote from: TimV on April 23, 2026, 08:09:33 AMVoted. No NCAA championship determined by tournament.
Also, Harry Orr broke a goalie's ankle with that shot. Dartmouth I think, on what was then lower alumni field.
Any comment on those playing two sports, Tim?
TimV, IIRC. A few football guys played lacrosse rather than just training to stay in football shape.
Quote from: Swampy on April 23, 2026, 05:47:00 AMQuote from: George64 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:55 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on April 20, 2026, 08:49:49 PMQuote from: dbilmes on April 20, 2026, 05:07:05 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on April 19, 2026, 09:02:03 PMQuote from: billhoward on April 19, 2026, 08:09:31 PMMay 19, 1976, NCAA Quarterfinals
Cornell 14, Washington & Lee 0
Goaltender, Dan Mackesey '76
This was the first of Cornell's back to back championships. The title game is notable because the match versus Maryland ended a 12-12 tie, Cornell won 16-13 in overtime, and Maryland scored the first goal. At the time, the NCAA realized any one lacrosse goal can be fluky, so play 5 minutes.
Dan Mackesey Ithaca High '72
Mackesey was also the starting goalie for the men's soccer team. Those were the days when it was more common for star athletes to play two sports. Brock Tredway, for example, was a star hockey player for Cornell in the late '70s who also was on the soccer team.
Bruce Cohen, lacrosse hall of famer, led the Ivy League in goals one year playing soccer. Also, a starting guard on freshman basketball team. Busy guy. No NIL, either.
All-American hockey defenseman Harry Orr '67 played lacrosse when Ned Harkness was coach. He had a wicked underhand shot. According to legend, Ned said he couldn't play hockey if he didn't play lacrosse. Ned's lax teams were 35 and 1. No NCAA championship in that era.
This is not entirely true. Schools located within 100 miles of Baltimore were often (i.e., always) voted the national champion.
I believe that Eamon McEneaney played varsity and/or lightweight football, wide receiver and punt returner.
Quote from: Swampy on April 23, 2026, 05:47:00 AMQuote from: George64 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:55 PMAll-American hockey defenseman Harry Orr '67 played lacrosse when Ned Harkness was coach. He had a wicked underhand shot. According to legend, Ned said he couldn't play hockey if he didn't play lacrosse. Ned's lax teams were 35 and 1. No NCAA championship in that era.
This is not entirely true. Schools located within 100 miles of Baltimore were often (i.e., always) voted the national champion.
Not always. In 1952, Ned Harkness's undefeated RPI team was voted co-champ with Virginia. Princeton and Army each had several championships and co-championships in the "Wingate Trophy" era, 1936-1970.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingate_Memorial_Trophy
@ Al D. and Marty:
There were quite a few football guys on those Harkness teams. I mostly remember Ned's first team in 1966. There was Reeve (Ting) Vanneman now a professor at the University of Maryland. He was a tackle in football, also famous for being one of the guys who attempted to block Princeton's Charlie Gogolak field goals by standing alongside another tackle, both with defensive backs (Dale Witwer and Jim Dockerty) standing on their shoulders. Doug Zirkle was a bear of a midfielder (think Hugh Kelleher only bigger) who was a tight end in football and the cocaptain on the 1966 lacrosse team. Both, I think were All- Ivy in both sports. Midfielder Bob Smith was a wide receiver in football. Bill Finan, Jerry Dolan and I were just trying to avoid football's spring V-Program. V stood for voluntary, but it wasn't voluntary. No real football then, just running and conditioning. The only way out was to be in a spring sport, so...
Also, Harry Orr (Fan Favorite Harry Orr) was a great defenseman and key guy on Ned's hockey teams, so I don't buy the story that Ned threatened him if he didn't play lacrosse.
Quote from: TimV on April 23, 2026, 08:12:11 PM@ Al D. and Marty:
There were quite a few football guys on those Harkness teams. I mostly remember Ned's first team in 1966. There was Reeve (Ting) Vanneman now a professor at the University of Maryland. He was a tackle in football, also famous for being one of the guys who attempted to block Princeton's Charlie Gogolak field goals by standing alongside another tackle, both with defensive backs (Dale Witwer and Jim Dockerty) standing on their shoulders. Doug Zirkle was a bear of a midfielder (think Hugh Kelleher only bigger) who was a tight end in football and the cocaptain on the 1966 lacrosse team. Both, I think were All- Ivy in both sports. Midfielder Bob Smith was a wide receiver in football. Bill Finan, Jerry Dolan and I were just trying to avoid football's spring V-Program. V stood for voluntary, but it wasn't voluntary. No real football then, just running and conditioning. The only way out was to be in a spring sport, so...
Also, Harry Orr (Fan Favorite Harry Orr) was a great defenseman and key guy on Ned's hockey teams, so I don't buy the story that Ned threatened him if he didn't play lacrosse.
Orr was named ECAC's best defensive defenseman for the 1966-1967 season. Roster listed him as 5'9" and 150 pounds. Other listings said 170. IIRC, he came to Cornell as a forward, and Ned moved him to defense, as he did with Steve Giuliani, Bruce Pattison and Dan Lodboa.
I have barely followed lax this year. Cornell is 8th and Harvard is 7th so... Saturday is a big deal, right?
Quote from: Trotsky on April 24, 2026, 11:37:18 AMI have barely followed lax this year. Cornell is 8th and Harvard is 7th so... Saturday is a big deal, right?
i find the ncaa selection process inscrutable so i have no idea about that. Saturday's game is for ILT seeding (both teams are in). If we win, we host. (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=286259)
Quote from: ugarte on April 24, 2026, 12:01:07 PMQuote from: Trotsky on April 24, 2026, 11:37:18 AMI have barely followed lax this year. Cornell is 8th and Harvard is 7th so... Saturday is a big deal, right?
i find the ncaa selection process inscrutable so i have no idea about that. Saturday's game is for ILT seeding (both teams are in). If we win, we host. (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=286259)
Good game to haul myself to while avoiding final essays? Thinking so...
Quote from: stereax on April 24, 2026, 12:08:59 PMQuote from: ugarte on April 24, 2026, 12:01:07 PMQuote from: Trotsky on April 24, 2026, 11:37:18 AMI have barely followed lax this year. Cornell is 8th and Harvard is 7th so... Saturday is a big deal, right?
i find the ncaa selection process inscrutable so i have no idea about that. Saturday's game is for ILT seeding (both teams are in). If we win, we host. (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=286259)
Good game to haul myself to while avoiding final essays? Thinking so...
Take rain slicker and umbrella. Taking mine.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on April 24, 2026, 12:22:51 PMQuote from: stereax on April 24, 2026, 12:08:59 PMQuote from: ugarte on April 24, 2026, 12:01:07 PMQuote from: Trotsky on April 24, 2026, 11:37:18 AMI have barely followed lax this year. Cornell is 8th and Harvard is 7th so... Saturday is a big deal, right?
i find the ncaa selection process inscrutable so i have no idea about that. Saturday's game is for ILT seeding (both teams are in). If we win, we host. (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=286259)
Good game to haul myself to while avoiding final essays? Thinking so...
Take rain slicker and umbrella. Taking mine.
Good shout. Learned last weekend that my light rain jacket is NOT waterproof 😅
Yes, huge game! Harvard is very good, played a barn-burner against Princeton last week, losing 15-14:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YElbyx9EVmM
As noted, a Red win puts the ILT in Ithaca next weekend, with a rematch with Harvard in the semifinal. A loss puts the ILT at Princeton, with Cornell playing Princeton or Harvard in the semifinal (Princeton if Yale beats Brown tomorrow, which is likely). A win tomorrow also probably secures an NCAA bid even with a semifinal ILT loss. But a loss tomorrow and a semifinal ILT loss puts the Red on the bubble.
Quote from: ugarte on April 24, 2026, 12:01:07 PMSaturday's game is for ILT seeding (both teams are in). If we win, we host. (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=286259)
And the Ivy League title. Cornell currently tied with Princeton at 4-1. Princeton hosting Dartmouth Saturday. Harvard and Yale are 3-2. Yale plays Brown.
What's the difference between the usual Crescent seating and "field level" seating? Assuming those are the bottom few rows?
Anyways, ticket bought, thanks Cornell for making most sporting tickets free, see y'all tomorrow 💜
Quote from: stereax on April 24, 2026, 02:29:42 PMWhat's the difference between the usual Crescent seating and "field level" seating? Assuming those are the bottom few rows?
Anyways, ticket bought, thanks Cornell for making most sporting tickets free, see y'all tomorrow 💜
I think you're on the sidelines with field level. Noticed yesterday there are now very small metal stands where the west stands once were. Might that be field level?
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on April 24, 2026, 08:58:48 PMQuote from: stereax on April 24, 2026, 02:29:42 PMWhat's the difference between the usual Crescent seating and "field level" seating? Assuming those are the bottom few rows?
Anyways, ticket bought, thanks Cornell for making most sporting tickets free, see y'all tomorrow 💜
I think you're on the sidelines with field level. Noticed yesterday there are now very small metal stands where the west stands once were. Might that be field level?
I haven't been up to Schoellkopf in ages. We'll see in the AM. I wasn't gonna pay for the fancy seats when the usual ones will do. But that would make sense - it says the field level stands come with concession access, I think.
Quote from: stereax on April 24, 2026, 09:50:10 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on April 24, 2026, 08:58:48 PMQuote from: stereax on April 24, 2026, 02:29:42 PMWhat's the difference between the usual Crescent seating and "field level" seating? Assuming those are the bottom few rows?
Anyways, ticket bought, thanks Cornell for making most sporting tickets free, see y'all tomorrow 💜
I think you're on the sidelines with field level. Noticed yesterday there are now very small metal stands where the west stands once were. Might that be field level?
I haven't been up to Schoellkopf in ages. We'll see in the AM. I wasn't gonna pay for the fancy seats when the usual ones will do. But that would make sense - it says the field level stands come with concession access, I think.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj7xlyyUwAAfa4C?format=jpg&name=small)
Cornell does well in (https://ivyleague.com/news/2026/4/30/mens-lacrosse-all-ivy-major-awards-revealed.aspx) the Ivy awards. Firth and Cascadden named Player of the Year at their respective positions, while the coaching staff wins that award.
Firth, Cascadden and Staub unanimous All-Ivy First Team, while Goldstein, Tully, Rahill and Dooley earn second-team honors.
okay, scanning the likely NCAA teams now the conference tournaments have wrapped up
Princeton
UNC
Richmond
NotreDame
get the 2 play-in winners, UAlbany and either Army/Georgetown
next band is Cornell, Syracuse, UVA and they get the other Army/Georgetown, PennState and Yale or Harvard
Last seed JHU likely gets Duke
now factor in things like Penn States 3 'bad losses' and Duke's weak schedule and failure to make the ACC tournament. then factor in avoiding in conference 1st round matchups and minimizing travel for 1st round games
I could see Cornell/Army, PSU/SU and UVA/Yale
albany likely travelling to South Bend IN, and Georgetown flips with Army to have a shorter trip for them to Richmond/UNC and army stays north for either Cornell or Cuse
really hoping we dont get the better seed than Cuse, but end up with PennState again to save them and Army each just 1 hour of bus travel
Idiots at ncaa.com have leaked the bracket :o
JHU @ #7 Cornell
https://www.ncaa.com/scoreboard/lacrosse-men/d1/2026/05/09/all-conf
https://www.ncaa.com/scoreboard/lacrosse-men/d1/2026/05/10/all-conf
Quote from: CU77 on May 03, 2026, 09:04:17 PMIdiots at ncaa.com have leaked the bracket :o
JHU @ #7 Cornell
https://www.ncaa.com/scoreboard/lacrosse-men/d1/2026/05/09/all-conf
https://www.ncaa.com/scoreboard/lacrosse-men/d1/2026/05/10/all-conf
Wow, didn't see this coming. Milliman and Chase Ierlan homecoming.
Now gotta put today's game in the rear view mirror and get our mojo back.
Quote from: jjanow99 on May 03, 2026, 09:16:34 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 03, 2026, 09:04:17 PMIdiots at ncaa.com have leaked the bracket :o
JHU @ #7 Cornell
https://www.ncaa.com/scoreboard/lacrosse-men/d1/2026/05/09/all-conf
https://www.ncaa.com/scoreboard/lacrosse-men/d1/2026/05/10/all-conf
Wow, didn't see this coming. Milliman and Chase Ierlan homecoming.
Now gotta put today's game in the rear view mirror and get our mojo back.
The smoke-filled room strikes again.
unexpected, and I would have loved to face the Army cadets
but not mad about Hopkins, and of the top 4 seeds I like ND best for a 2nd round match up
gotta keep getting healthier and focused
EDIT - should we be doing a rain dance? we played better in bad conditions LOL
Firth is one of five Tewaaraton finalists.
USA Lacrosse article on Goldstein: https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/fulfilling-legacy-goldstein-brought-title-cornell-eluded-his-parents
Mike French '76 to receive the Tewaaraton Legacy Award (https://www.tewaaraton.com/post/honoring-mike-french-as-2026-https://www.tewaaraton.com/post/honoring-mike-french-as-2026-tewaaraton-legend-and-jack-emmer-with-spirit-of-tewaaraton-award-legend-and-jack-emmer-with-spirit-of-tewaaraton-award). Hard to believe it's been 50 years since he graduated!
The Goldstein-Firth combo reminds me of Eamon McEneaney and Mike French. Both French and Firth began as box lacrosse players in Canada.
Virginia fired their coach Lars Tiffany (two national championships in his ten years there) on Monday. :o Rumor mill has four coaches interviewing, none named Buczek. :-X
Quote from: CU77 on May 22, 2026, 01:08:35 PMVirginia fired their coach Lars Tiffany (two national championships in his ten years there) on Monday. :o Rumor mill has four coaches interviewing, none named Buczek. :-X
I think we're safe as long as an AD doesn't monumentally fuck up a contract situation in the future. Coach wants to be here
Quote from: CU77 on May 22, 2026, 01:08:35 PMVirginia fired their coach Lars Tiffany (two national championships in his ten years there) on Monday. :o Rumor mill has four coaches interviewing, none named Buczek. :-X
Does anyone have a handle on the rumors (I know that's a contradiction in terms) that the players (one player in particular) forced him out? Or a link to a summary of such rumors? I don't want to venture into the swamp that is FanLax Forum for this one. ;D
On another note, Princeton all the way this weekend, right? No, I don't love it either but there's no way this Cornell lacrosse fan will root for Syracuse or Duke, and Notre Dame has won it all twice recently. Plus back to back years of having an Ivy League team win it all would be good for the league.
Quote from: djk26 on May 22, 2026, 02:03:08 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 22, 2026, 01:08:35 PMVirginia fired their coach Lars Tiffany (two national championships in his ten years there) on Monday. :o Rumor mill has four coaches interviewing, none named Buczek. :-X
Does anyone have a handle on the rumors (I know that's a contradiction in terms) that the players (one player in particular) forced him out? Or a link to a summary of such rumors? I don't want to venture into the swamp that is FanLax Forum for this one. ;D
On another note, Princeton all the way this weekend, right? No, I don't love it either but there's no way this Cornell lacrosse fan will root for Syracuse or Duke, and Notre Dame has won it all twice recently. Plus back to back years of having an Ivy League team win it all would be good for the league.
Too bad about Tiffany. He is a great coach. He'll find a good gig elsewhere if he wants.
I have given up on lacrosse for this year after our losses. I'm still angry at how we played against Princeton and then Hopkins. There is just no excuse for how poorly we played.
Quote from: mike1960 on May 22, 2026, 02:15:54 PMQuote from: djk26 on May 22, 2026, 02:03:08 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 22, 2026, 01:08:35 PMVirginia fired their coach Lars Tiffany (two national championships in his ten years there) on Monday. :o Rumor mill has four coaches interviewing, none named Buczek. :-X
Does anyone have a handle on the rumors (I know that's a contradiction in terms) that the players (one player in particular) forced him out? Or a link to a summary of such rumors? I don't want to venture into the swamp that is FanLax Forum for this one. ;D
On another note, Princeton all the way this weekend, right? No, I don't love it either but there's no way this Cornell lacrosse fan will root for Syracuse or Duke, and Notre Dame has won it all twice recently. Plus back to back years of having an Ivy League team win it all would be good for the league.
Too bad about Tiffany. He is a great coach. He'll find a good gig elsewhere if he wants.
I have given up on lacrosse for this year after our losses. I'm still angry at how we played against Princeton and then Hopkins. There is just no excuse for how poorly we played.
How we played was so out of character that I have to presume some unknown factors (injuries?) were at work.
But I'll agree insofar as I think we need to modify our recruiting strategy with regard to a few things.
- I know star-rankings can be misleading, and we've done well with our coaches finding hidden talents. Nonetheless, we're getting far fewer 5 stars than some of our peers & main competitors (e.g. Pton, Scuse), and in some contexts the things that stand out to make a player get 5-star attention become important factors against certain defensive and offensive strategies, and the lack of 5-star depth can make a team vulnerable to injuries to key players. Even if we have some great under-the-radar players, top recruits need to be available to fill in.
- Size matters. Lacrosse is a great sport in part because smaller players can be superstars. (Think Jeff Teat, Ryan Goldstein, Rob Pannell. But often you need a Connor Buczek or Max Seibald who can bull & speed their way into scoring position. Our recruiting, training, and internal balance needs to put more emphasis on having several skilled, bigger players to complement the skilled, smaller, quick players.
- Along with better recruiting of standout talent and paying more attention to size, should come more diverse offensive and defensive strategies. Of course, teams practice certain things, which then become their style. But in several games this year better fundamentals (namely, passing, catching, & ground balls) would have prevented turnovers. Hopefully, in future years having an indoor facility will allow more time for early season practices (including captains' practices) to rid the team of such unnecessary flaws.
From listening to the Dixie & Fly Inside Lacrosse podcast some of the older UVA lacrosse alums did not like Tiffany.
NCAA Semi-Final Games: The top seeds won today, Princeton beat Duke 14-7, and Notre Dame scored the last six goals beat Syracuse 15-7.
Quote from: Swampy on May 23, 2026, 03:25:33 PMQuote from: mike1960 on May 22, 2026, 02:15:54 PMQuote from: djk26 on May 22, 2026, 02:03:08 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 22, 2026, 01:08:35 PMVirginia fired their coach Lars Tiffany (two national championships in his ten years there) on Monday. :o Rumor mill has four coaches interviewing, none named Buczek. :-X
Does anyone have a handle on the rumors (I know that's a contradiction in terms) that the players (one player in particular) forced him out? Or a link to a summary of such rumors? I don't want to venture into the swamp that is FanLax Forum for this one. ;D
On another note, Princeton all the way this weekend, right? No, I don't love it either but there's no way this Cornell lacrosse fan will root for Syracuse or Duke, and Notre Dame has won it all twice recently. Plus back to back years of having an Ivy League team win it all would be good for the league.
Too bad about Tiffany. He is a great coach. He'll find a good gig elsewhere if he wants.
I have given up on lacrosse for this year after our losses. I'm still angry at how we played against Princeton and then Hopkins. There is just no excuse for how poorly we played.
How we played was so out of character that I have to presume some unknown factors (injuries?) were at work.
But I'll agree insofar as I think we need to modify our recruiting strategy with regard to a few things.
- I know star-rankings can be misleading, and we've done well with our coaches finding hidden talents. Nonetheless, we're getting far fewer 5 stars than some of our peers & main competitors (e.g. Pton, Scuse), and in some contexts the things that stand out to make a player get 5-star attention become important factors against certain defensive and offensive strategies, and the lack of 5-star depth can make a team vulnerable to injuries to key players. Even if we have some great under-the-radar players, top recruits need to be available to fill in.
- Size matters. Lacrosse is a great sport in part because smaller players can be superstars. (Think Jeff Teat, Ryan Goldstein, Rob Pannell. But often you need a Connor Buczek or Max Seibald who can bull & speed their way into scoring position. Our recruiting, training, and internal balance needs to put more emphasis on having several skilled, bigger players to complement the skilled, smaller, quick players.
- Along with better recruiting of standout talent and paying more attention to size, should come more diverse offensive and defensive strategies. Of course, teams practice certain things, which then become their style. But in several games this year better fundamentals (namely, passing, catching, & ground balls) would have prevented turnovers. Hopefully, in future years having an indoor facility will allow more time for early season practices (including captains' practices) to rid the team of such unnecessary flaws.
We had the players this year to compete with anyone in this field. I don't mind losing to Princeton if we competed well. They are an excellent team. But they ran us out of our own gym the night before the big tournament. We were going nowhere after that.
With Princeton and Notre Dame in the final, it should be noted how badly these programs have been outrecruiting Cornell in recent years (and especially the incoming 2026 high school class). UNC, Virginia, Duke, Hopkins, Maryland, and Harvard are also clearly outrecruiting Cornell at this point.
It is widely known that Cornell got screwed by some horrible officiating in the OT of their game against Hopkins. Still, the team was so bad in that game that it makes one wonder what the hell happened.
Overall, I'd say this year's team met my expectations, but didn't exceed them. I thought Goldstein, Firth, and Cascadden would carry the load offensively, Dooley and Staub would carry the load defensively, and across the other positions enough talent would emerge which had been stuck behind all the fifth years who graduated last season. Well, that sort of happened, in that the returning players mentioned had good years, but there wasn't much to write home about elsewhere on the team. Moreover, the incoming recruiting class is very bad (20th in the country). So it is tough to see where the help is going to come from, particularly on defense now that Staub and Dooley are graduating.
Connor Buczek being a great coach is commonly cited as the reason Cornell will compete for the NCAA tournament and NCAA titles every season. And while I do think he is a great coach, his recruiting classes have not been great lately. Recruiting is one of the biggest aspects of college coaching, and if he can't recruit well then it doesn't matter how good he is at motivating players or Xs and Os. This isn't college hockey where the best players leave after a couple of seasons. When you start with a bunch of 5-star recruits, the developmental ceiling is simply much higher than when you start with a bunch of lower star recruits, and the Princetons and Notre Dames of the world are reaping the rewards.
All that is to say, I'm still overall bullish on Cornell lacrosse, but the program clearly needs to start recruiting better.
At least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Quote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
I agree. Though, a lot of those attributes should work in our favor. Not facilities, but maybe the new indoor facility will help. Also, we have rich alumni who will hopefully fund further improvements. We should definitely not have the 20th best recruiting class in the country.
Notre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
Quote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
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Quote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
Maybe don't feel so bad about that ILT championship game now.
Quote from: jjanow99 on May 25, 2026, 02:23:58 PMQuote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
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Quote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
Maybe don't feel so bad about that ILT championship game now.
I'm more worried about how we're supposed to stay competitive in recruiting with a program that has far better facilities and far more money. They've been lapping us in recruiting.
Princeton wins. Hooray, Ivies!
Quote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 02:33:02 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on May 25, 2026, 02:23:58 PMQuote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
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Quote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
Maybe don't feel so bad about that ILT championship game now.
I'm more worried about how we're supposed to stay competitive in recruiting with a program that has far better facilities and far more money. They've been lapping us in recruiting.
The Meinig Fieldhouse will be a big factor going forward in recruiting in many sports, lacrosse, football and soccer.
Quote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 02:33:02 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on May 25, 2026, 02:23:58 PMQuote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
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Quote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
Maybe don't feel so bad about that ILT championship game now.
I'm more worried about how we're supposed to stay competitive in recruiting with a program that has far better facilities and far more money. They've been lapping us in recruiting.
Princeton's been lapping everyone in recruiting along with UNC, Notre Dame, and Duke (Virginia had an off year recruiting and now has the coaching controversy). Our 2027 class appears stronger than the 2026 class, and the new fieldhouse will be a plus. So long as Buczek is provided sufficient administrative support I'm confident he and his staff will keep us competitive with the top programs. But the other Ivies are all putting emphasis on lacrosse as a showcase sport, so we can't slack off.
Quote from: scoop85 on May 25, 2026, 05:46:09 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 02:33:02 PMQuote from: jjanow99 on May 25, 2026, 02:23:58 PMQuote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
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Quote from: jeff '84 on May 25, 2026, 02:17:51 PMNotre Dame led Princeton 3-0 five minutes into the game. It is now 11-3 Princeton at halftime. WOW they are good.
Maybe don't feel so bad about that ILT championship game now.
I'm more worried about how we're supposed to stay competitive in recruiting with a program that has far better facilities and far more money. They've been lapping us in recruiting.
Princeton's been lapping everyone in recruiting along with UNC, Notre Dame, and Duke (Virginia had an off year recruiting and now has the coaching controversy). Our 2027 class appears stronger than the 2026 class, and the new fieldhouse will be a plus. So long as Buczek is provided sufficient administrative support I'm confident he and his staff will keep us competitive with the top programs. But the other Ivies are all putting emphasis on lacrosse as a showcase sport, so we can't slack off.
Princeton, Notre Dame, and UNC seem to be recruiting better than anyone. Then the next tier seems to be Duke, UVA, Syracuse, Harvard, Hopkins, Maryland, maybe I'm forgetting someone. I think we are in the tier after that.
I wish this were hockey where being in a better conference helps our recruiting because harder competition better prepares kids for the pros. But with less value placed on going pro in lacrosse, I don't believe the Ivy being strong helps us very much.
I'm surprised our recruiting hasn't picked up more since the national championship. 2027 is better than 2026, but we're still at 11. I would have hoped to be higher.
Obviously, we need to wait for longer term trends.
I still expect us to be good next year, but the defense looks like it is going to be very rough.
It would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
Quote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 05:58:35 PMIt would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
give me a link to the recruiting rankings and i'll do it
Quote from: stereax on May 25, 2026, 06:23:38 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 05:58:35 PMIt would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
give me a link to the recruiting rankings and i'll do it
Thanks! Here ya go: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/m/2027/college
You can flip back to past years by clicking on the "2027" tab.
After the semifinals, some Syracuse fans were complaining in a Facebook thread about all of the rich prep school kids on Princeton's roster, while noting that their players mostly came from public schools. Out of curiosity, I took at look at the Princeton roster and counted 35 of their 51 players as coming from private schools. That's nearly 70 percent.
If someone wants to do a similar survey of the Syracuse roster, go for it!
In any case, does it matter?
Syracuse roster has 22 of 45. Aside from Spalinas(who might qualify as "rich kids" considering possible Gait Co NIL money) it is hardly "mostly" and probably reflective of the applicant pool of each school. ;)
Syracuse fans always find something to complain about when their team loses.
Virginia promotes assistant coach Kevin Cassese, who was HC at Lehigh before leaving to be OC at UVa three years ago, reportedly at the personal request of now-fired HC Lars Tiffany.
A comment on TheSabre (UVa equivalent of Elynah):
> Kevin the Usurper, first of his name. Long may he reign.-- Fair Weather Hoo
Incidentally, Cassese was reportedly offered the Cornell HC job in 2014 after DeLuca was fired and Kerwick was interim HC, and turned it down.
Quote from: dag14 on May 26, 2026, 11:15:23 AMSyracuse fans always find something to complain about when their team loses.
Well that sounds familiar. Now that I think about it, Cornell fans tend to find something to complain about when we win, too.
Quote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 06:53:18 PMQuote from: stereax on May 25, 2026, 06:23:38 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 05:58:35 PMIt would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
give me a link to the recruiting rankings and i'll do it
Thanks! Here ya go: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/m/2027/college
You can flip back to past years by clicking on the "2027" tab.
You want regular rank or points rank?
Quote from: stereax on May 26, 2026, 01:52:10 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 06:53:18 PMQuote from: stereax on May 25, 2026, 06:23:38 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 05:58:35 PMIt would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
give me a link to the recruiting rankings and i'll do it
Thanks! Here ya go: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/m/2027/college
You can flip back to past years by clicking on the "2027" tab.
You want regular rank or points rank?
I'm not sure what the difference is, so I guess regular rank.
Quote from: BearLover on May 26, 2026, 02:07:04 PMQuote from: stereax on May 26, 2026, 01:52:10 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 06:53:18 PMQuote from: stereax on May 25, 2026, 06:23:38 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 05:58:35 PMIt would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
give me a link to the recruiting rankings and i'll do it
Thanks! Here ya go: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/m/2027/college
You can flip back to past years by clicking on the "2027" tab.
You want regular rank or points rank?
I'm not sure what the difference is, so I guess regular rank.
(https://i.ibb.co/wXsNZLb/Lax.png) (https://ibb.co/ttXMwhN)
Click it so it looks better. The bright red is us, obviously.
I think Points Rank is intended to be more objective.
Quote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
Quote from: stereax on May 26, 2026, 04:29:06 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 26, 2026, 02:07:04 PMQuote from: stereax on May 26, 2026, 01:52:10 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 06:53:18 PMQuote from: stereax on May 25, 2026, 06:23:38 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 05:58:35 PMIt would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
give me a link to the recruiting rankings and i'll do it
Thanks! Here ya go: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/m/2027/college
You can flip back to past years by clicking on the "2027" tab.
You want regular rank or points rank?
I'm not sure what the difference is, so I guess regular rank.
(https://i.ibb.co/wXsNZLb/Lax.png) (https://ibb.co/ttXMwhN)
Click it so it looks better. The bright red is us, obviously.
There do seem to be at least 2 important trends. Since 2023 we've declined, while Princeton has moved towards the top in each of the last 3 years.
Quote from: LGR14 on May 26, 2026, 05:29:10 PMI think Points Rank is intended to be more objective.
I'll do it when I get home. Sigh
Quote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
We are still recruiting potentially generational players.
Quote from: stereax on May 26, 2026, 04:29:06 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 26, 2026, 02:07:04 PMQuote from: stereax on May 26, 2026, 01:52:10 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 06:53:18 PMQuote from: stereax on May 25, 2026, 06:23:38 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 05:58:35 PMIt would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
give me a link to the recruiting rankings and i'll do it
Thanks! Here ya go: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/m/2027/college
You can flip back to past years by clicking on the "2027" tab.
You want regular rank or points rank?
I'm not sure what the difference is, so I guess regular rank.
(https://i.ibb.co/wXsNZLb/Lax.png) (https://ibb.co/ttXMwhN)
Click it so it looks better. The bright red is us, obviously.
Thanks. Much appreciated. Sorry to be annoying but it would be easier to read if you took some of the teams off. GTown, Michigan, OSU would be good candidates for removal. Obviously, only if you have time and feel like it.
Quote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:17:35 PMQuote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
We are still recruiting potentially generational players.
The fact we still get the occasional 5-star doesn't disprove the broader point. BTW, Adler was not a big-time recruit. Nor was Pannell.
Quote from: BearLover on May 27, 2026, 09:35:48 PMQuote from: stereax on May 26, 2026, 04:29:06 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 26, 2026, 02:07:04 PMQuote from: stereax on May 26, 2026, 01:52:10 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 06:53:18 PMQuote from: stereax on May 25, 2026, 06:23:38 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 25, 2026, 05:58:35 PMIt would be interesting to plot our InsideLacrosse recruiting ranking on a graph for each year of its existence.
give me a link to the recruiting rankings and i'll do it
Thanks! Here ya go: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/m/2027/college
You can flip back to past years by clicking on the "2027" tab.
You want regular rank or points rank?
I'm not sure what the difference is, so I guess regular rank.
(https://i.ibb.co/wXsNZLb/Lax.png) (https://ibb.co/ttXMwhN)
Click it so it looks better. The bright red is us, obviously.
Thanks. Much appreciated. Sorry to be annoying but it would be easier to read if you took some of the teams off. GTown, Michigan, OSU would be good candidates for removal. Obviously, only if you have time and feel like it.
That I can do a lot more easily. I just rounded to anyone with an average under 12 or something like that. If you want me to kick anyone else off, lmk. I know the colors are annoying but I didn't want to fix each one manually.
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Quote from: BearLover on May 27, 2026, 09:37:55 PMQuote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:17:35 PMQuote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
We are still recruiting potentially generational players.
The fact we still get the occasional 5-star doesn't disprove the broader point. BTW, Adler was not a big-time recruit. Nor was Pannell.
The problem is not recruiting. The problem is how well we play. We're absolutely able to beat the national champions Princeton Tigers. Do you know how I know?
Quote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
Adler was a 3-star recruit when he committed.
Quote from: LGR14 on May 27, 2026, 10:01:13 PMQuote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
Adler was a 3-star recruit when he committed.
Yes. How well a team develops players is as important, and in many cases more important, than their high school rankings.
Quote from: BearLover on May 27, 2026, 09:37:55 PMQuote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:17:35 PMQuote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
We are still recruiting potentially generational players.
The fact we still get the occasional 5-star doesn't disprove the broader point. BTW, Adler was not a big-time recruit. Nor was Pannell.
Pannell broke out his PG year at Deerfield. Pre-Deerfield Pannell wasn't a big-time recruit. By the time he committed to Cornell he was one.
From the IL website on Kirst as a recruit: One of the most consistent programs in college lacrosse over the last 20 years, Cornell's recruiting strategy bears out a pattern — every few years, they land a Top 10 player and he's incredibly likely to turn into a star, and they flank him with comparatively unknown talent that turn into All-America-level role players. Consider that Max Seibald was ranked No. 5 in 2005, Rob Pannell was the No. 1-ranked postgraduate in 2008 and Jeff Teat was the No. 1-ranked player in 2016.
I think Nurry is supposed to be the next superstar, but the injury limited his role this year. The margins at this level are slim. Cornell couldn't find the solution at offensive middy that could carry them on a bad day. Going into the season, I think we all felt that the team would take a step back. The beating by Princeton and the poor showing against JHU really left a bittersweet taste on this year.
Quote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:49:14 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 27, 2026, 09:37:55 PMQuote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:17:35 PMQuote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
We are still recruiting potentially generational players.
The fact we still get the occasional 5-star doesn't disprove the broader point. BTW, Adler was not a big-time recruit. Nor was Pannell.
The problem is not recruiting. The problem is how well we play. We're absolutely able to beat the national champions Princeton Tigers. Do you know how I know?
Sorry, but this is cope. Can we beat Princeton? Yes. Were we as good as Princeton this season? No. We fortunately recruit well enough that we aren't completely overmatched against the top teams, and often we do beat them, but we'd beat them more often if we recruited better. Developing players is important, but the ceiling is higher on a 5-star recruit than a 3-star recruit. You'll win more by developing a 5-star. What I'm saying is so simple that it's practically tautological: bringing in better players means you win more. Yes, we
can beat the teams that out-recruit us, but this is
in spite of the recruiting disparity, and we'd beat those teams more often if we recruited better.
Overall our recruiting has been fine. Clearly not as good as Princeton's or Notre Dame's or UVA's or Duke's or UNC's, but it's been good enough to compete nationally. This will no longer be the case if we bring in the 20th best recruiting class every season (as we will next year). Even our 2027 ranking (11th) isn't very good, considering the class was recruited in the wake of our national title. So, we need to step it up.
Quote from: BearLoverEven our 2027 ranking (11th) isn't very good, considering the class was recruited in the wake of our national title. So, we need to step it up.
What does "step it up" mean exactly? What could Cornell be doing to recruit better lacrosse players that it is not already doing? I am
not familiar with college athletics recruiting, so I am genuinely curious.
Quote from: BearLover on Today at 12:51:31 AMQuote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:49:14 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 27, 2026, 09:37:55 PMQuote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:17:35 PMQuote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
We are still recruiting potentially generational players.
The fact we still get the occasional 5-star doesn't disprove the broader point. BTW, Adler was not a big-time recruit. Nor was Pannell.
The problem is not recruiting. The problem is how well we play. We're absolutely able to beat the national champions Princeton Tigers. Do you know how I know?
Sorry, but this is cope. Can we beat Princeton? Yes. Were we as good as Princeton this season? No. We fortunately recruit well enough that we aren't completely overmatched against the top teams, and often we do beat them, but we'd beat them more often if we recruited better. Developing players is important, but the ceiling is higher on a 5-star recruit than a 3-star recruit. You'll win more by developing a 5-star. What I'm saying is so simple that it's practically tautological: bringing in better players means you win more. Yes, we can beat the teams that out-recruit us, but this is in spite of the recruiting disparity, and we'd beat those teams more often if we recruited better.
Overall our recruiting has been fine. Clearly not as good as Princeton's or Notre Dame's or UVA's or Duke's or UNC's, but it's been good enough to compete nationally. This will no longer be the case if we bring in the 20th best recruiting class every season (as we will next year). Even our 2027 ranking (11th) isn't very good, considering the class was recruited in the wake of our national title. So, we need to step it up.
I could be wrong, I suppose, but didn't Cornell just win a national championship twelve months ago?
What will it take to quiesce the insistent, persistent whining we are depressingly subjected to? I'd rather read the Cyrillic garbage we get than this tiresome Chicken Little act.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on Today at 08:36:40 AMQuote from: BearLover on Today at 12:51:31 AMQuote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:49:14 PMQuote from: BearLover on May 27, 2026, 09:37:55 PMQuote from: mike1960 on May 27, 2026, 09:17:35 PMQuote from: Swampy on May 27, 2026, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: CU77 on May 25, 2026, 12:30:52 PMAt least 90% of recruiting has to do with factors that the coach has no direct control over: academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship, etc. There's not some magic knob that a coach can turn to improve recruiting.
Perhaps. But while Princeton and ND may have some advantages, I don't see enough difference in the five things you explicitly mention (academics, campus culture, weather, facilities, likelihood of a championship) to account for Princeton repeatedly recruiting the #1 class (several years in a row with 5x5*) while we recruit #20.
This is particularly vexing because until recently we have regularly recruited generational players like Kurst, Teat, Adler, etc.
We are still recruiting potentially generational players.
The fact we still get the occasional 5-star doesn't disprove the broader point. BTW, Adler was not a big-time recruit. Nor was Pannell.
The problem is not recruiting. The problem is how well we play. We're absolutely able to beat the national champions Princeton Tigers. Do you know how I know?
Sorry, but this is cope. Can we beat Princeton? Yes. Were we as good as Princeton this season? No. We fortunately recruit well enough that we aren't completely overmatched against the top teams, and often we do beat them, but we'd beat them more often if we recruited better. Developing players is important, but the ceiling is higher on a 5-star recruit than a 3-star recruit. You'll win more by developing a 5-star. What I'm saying is so simple that it's practically tautological: bringing in better players means you win more. Yes, we can beat the teams that out-recruit us, but this is in spite of the recruiting disparity, and we'd beat those teams more often if we recruited better.
Overall our recruiting has been fine. Clearly not as good as Princeton's or Notre Dame's or UVA's or Duke's or UNC's, but it's been good enough to compete nationally. This will no longer be the case if we bring in the 20th best recruiting class every season (as we will next year). Even our 2027 ranking (11th) isn't very good, considering the class was recruited in the wake of our national title. So, we need to step it up.
I could be wrong, I suppose, but didn't Cornell just win a national championship twelve months ago?
What will it take to quiesce the insistent, persistent whining we are depressingly subjected to? I'd rather read the Cyrillic garbage we get than this tiresome Chicken Little act.
You're freaking out because a poster on a sports forum said their team needs to (gasp!) "step up recruiting." The horror!
Quote from: djk26 on Today at 06:36:32 AMQuote from: BearLoverEven our 2027 ranking (11th) isn't very good, considering the class was recruited in the wake of our national title. So, we need to step it up.
What does "step it up" mean exactly? What could Cornell be doing to recruit better lacrosse players that it is not already doing? I am
not familiar with college athletics recruiting, so I am genuinely curious.
It's less that I have specific ideas about what we should do to improve recruiting and more that our recruiting is the clearest weakness of the program currently. Coaching seems great, culture seems great, player development probably also great. But recruiting is where we have the most room to grow. IL star rankings are imperfect, but highly correlated with team success. We've been 14th, 10th, 20th, and 11th the past four years, which isn't gonna cut it if we have national championship aspirations. BTW, our 2025 national championship team consisted of classes with the following recruiting rankings: 6th, 4th, 20th, 9th, 3rd.
Difficult to attract top recruits on a consistent basis like princeton when lacking prestige and being in the middle of nowhere.
Quote from: LGR14 on May 26, 2026, 05:29:10 PMI think Points Rank is intended to be more objective.
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