Turning the tide for Trotsky
Clarkson has been having a down year, to say the least. However, Cheel has always been a challenging road venue so anything can happen
Take the points and get the fuck outta there.
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Quote from: Trotsky on November 30, 2025, 11:14:33 PMTake the points and get the fuck outta there.
And don't eat the pizza.
They could chance it coming back from Canton. It's the second night with a month until the next game.
Quote from: Trotsky on December 01, 2025, 11:26:46 AMThey could chance it coming back from Canton. It's the second night with a month until the next game.
I know it's the North Country, but I would hope the team would be able to find a better dining option than Pizza Hut, irrespective of what happened two decades ago.
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2025, 11:30:11 AMQuote from: Trotsky on December 01, 2025, 11:26:46 AMThey could chance it coming back from Canton. It's the second night with a month until the next game.
I know it's the North Country, but I would hope the team would be able to find a better dining option than Pizza Hut, irrespective of what happened two decades ago.
There are decent restaurants in each town. But don't sit with your back to the window.
Quote from: Trotsky on December 01, 2025, 11:26:46 AMThey could chance it coming back from Canton. It's the second night with a month until the next game.
Four-hour bus ride... yeah, I wouldn't.
According to my data which TBH I trust more than Cornell's, Saturday will be our game 2200.
It's still there (https://locations.pizzahut.com/ny/canton/5933-us-highway-11).
Edit: maybe not: it's a Verizon now. Yes, there is a reddit thread devoted to repurposed Pizza Huts: https://www.reddit.com/r/FormerPizzaHuts/
Lots of day cares. Yikes.
Meta-edit: ambiguity resolved: "Former Pizza Hut in Canton, NY. A new Pizza Hut was built in same parking lot. Notice that shutters were used to square up the original windows."
https://www.reddit.com/r/FormerPizzaHuts/comments/o3pr32/former_pizza_hut_in_canton_ny_a_new_pizza_hut_was/
Probably won't make it. So bring your own newspapers and Snickers.:D
Quote from: Jim Hyla on December 04, 2025, 09:11:37 AMProbably won't make it. So bring your own newspapers and Snickers.:D
It was great to see the newspapers going at MSG! Felt like I was at Lynah
I was impressed at the size of the crowd at MSG—looked like a true sellout-but the energy was lacking. Very little noise from either fan base, but most of what I heard was from the BU fans. Almost no Connell cheers or chants. The event has become a major alumni social event with a hockey game going on in the background.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on December 04, 2025, 09:11:37 AMProbably won't make it. So bring your own newspapers and Snickers.:D
45 seasons and I still have not caught candy. You have thrown it directly to me at least a dozen times. A couple times little kids pulled the dog frisby theft. The rest I fumbled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5VdHGGbNL4
I am a sieve.
Quote from: BearLover on December 04, 2025, 10:48:48 AMI was impressed at the size of the crowd at MSG—looked like a true sellout-but the energy was lacking. Very little noise from either fan base, but most of what I heard was from the BU fans. Almost no Connell cheers or chants. The event has become a major alumni social event with a hockey game going on in the background.
If you were expecting frequent Lynah-like chants, that just doesn't happen with the larger-but-less-fanatical fan base at MSG games. But the Cornell fans present were plenty loud from where I was sitting, and the section nearest the pep band certainly tried to get some of the standards going. (The pep bandie reading his "your [blahblah] called" rant from a script on his phone didn't quite have what it takes, and was oblivious to the need to pause for other noise, but I admired the effort.)
Quote from: Trotsky on December 04, 2025, 10:55:32 AMQuote from: Jim Hyla on December 04, 2025, 09:11:37 AMProbably won't make it. So bring your own newspapers and Snickers.:D
45 seasons and I still have not caught candy. You have thrown it directly to me at least a dozen times. A couple times little kids pulled the dog frisby theft. The rest I fumbled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5VdHGGbNL4
I am a sieve.
You have to get him one on one in the concourse so that when he hits you in the chest it drops down in front of you and you can corral the piece.
Quote from: Beeeej on December 04, 2025, 10:56:40 AMQuote from: BearLover on December 04, 2025, 10:48:48 AMI was impressed at the size of the crowd at MSG—looked like a true sellout-but the energy was lacking. Very little noise from either fan base, but most of what I heard was from the BU fans. Almost no Connell cheers or chants. The event has become a major alumni social event with a hockey game going on in the background.
If you were expecting frequent Lynah-like chants, that just doesn't happen with the larger-but-less-fanatical fan base at MSG games. But the Cornell fans present were plenty loud from where I was sitting, and the section nearest the pep band certainly tried to get some of the standards going. (The pep bandie reading his "your [blahblah] called" rant from a script on his phone didn't quite have what it takes, and was oblivious to the need to pause for other noise, but I admired the effort.)
The energy seemed better to me in past years. I remember some very loud "LGR" chants in past editions of RHH, particularly when we were tied or down by a goal late, that never came this year.
I was behind the drunk girls taking selfies and spilling vodka sodas on each other. Good times.
Quote from: underskill on December 04, 2025, 12:03:25 PMI was behind the drunk girls taking selfies and spilling vodka sodas on each other. Good times.
Could you be more specific?
Quote from: Beeeej on December 04, 2025, 12:12:06 PMQuote from: underskill on December 04, 2025, 12:03:25 PMI was behind the drunk girls taking selfies and spilling vodka sodas on each other. Good times.
Could you be more specific?
stoli vanilla
Quote from: ugarte on December 04, 2025, 05:22:45 PMQuote from: Beeeej on December 04, 2025, 12:12:06 PMQuote from: underskill on December 04, 2025, 12:03:25 PMI was behind the drunk girls taking selfies and spilling vodka sodas on each other. Good times.
Could you be more specific?
stoli vanilla
What's the joke about Mechanical Engineers? Scrupulously correct yet utterly missing the point?
I'm curious to see what sort of reception Casey receives. For me, I wouldn't be upset with a college coach leaving to go to his alma mater, although if the fans choose to boo him I wouldn't hold it against them, especially given he left them for a conference foe.
Clarkson will give him a big ovation unless things have really changed there. The North Country always had the most hockey savvy fans in the East.
Quote from: VIEWfromK on December 04, 2025, 11:28:08 AMQuote from: Trotsky on December 04, 2025, 10:55:32 AMQuote from: Jim Hyla on December 04, 2025, 09:11:37 AMProbably won't make it. So bring your own newspapers and Snickers.:D
45 seasons and I still have not caught candy. You have thrown it directly to me at least a dozen times. A couple times little kids pulled the dog frisby theft. The rest I fumbled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5VdHGGbNL4
I am a sieve.
You have to get him one on one in the concourse so that when he hits you in the chest it drops down in front of you and you can corral the piece.
Jim and I have been at about 300 common games in our lives. He has hit me so many times from so many angles with no positive result I am thoroughly embarrassed.
Quote from: JasonN95 on December 04, 2025, 07:10:04 PMI'm curious to see what sort of reception Casey receives. For me, I wouldn't be upset with a college coach leaving to go to his alma mater, although if the fans choose to boo him I wouldn't hold it against them, especially given he left them for a conference foe.
The Clarkson band had worked unflattering remarks about Casey into their chants. I bet it's a mixed reception
Quote from: VIEWfromK on December 05, 2025, 08:18:38 AMQuote from: JasonN95 on December 04, 2025, 07:10:04 PMI'm curious to see what sort of reception Casey receives. For me, I wouldn't be upset with a college coach leaving to go to his alma mater, although if the fans choose to boo him I wouldn't hold it against them, especially given he left them for a conference foe.
The Clarkson band had worked unflattering remarks about Casey into their chants. I bet it's a mixed reception
When did the band do this? Lake Placid, Lynah or Cheel? Last year?
Casey already returned as a visiting coach last season.
Quote from: VIEWfromK on December 05, 2025, 08:18:38 AMQuote from: JasonN95 on December 04, 2025, 07:10:04 PMI'm curious to see what sort of reception Casey receives. For me, I wouldn't be upset with a college coach leaving to go to his alma mater, although if the fans choose to boo him I wouldn't hold it against them, especially given he left them for a conference foe.
The Clarkson band had worked unflattering remarks about Casey into their chants. I bet it's a mixed reception
But that's a thing you do. It's all in fun except the childish assholes who take it seriously. As with everything in sports.
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If someone can explain to me what exactly putting DeSantis with Catalano and Wallace is supposed to accomplish, I would be grateful... I thought the point of our fourth line as constructed was to be "Certified Boy-Meat" (Snowball's words, not mine) and to outmuscle/outgrind other teams. How exactly does DeSantis work there?
Quote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 06:39:52 PMIf someone can explain to me what exactly putting DeSantis with Catalano and Wallace is supposed to accomplish, I would be grateful... I thought the point of our fourth line as constructed was to be "Certified Boy-Meat" (Snowball's words, not mine) and to outmuscle/outgrind other teams. How exactly does DeSantis work there?
Two refrigerator units and a Roomba
I guess we will see how they roll.
Let's Go Red!
Quote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 06:39:52 PMIf someone can explain to me what exactly putting DeSantis with Catalano and Wallace is supposed to accomplish, I would be grateful... I thought the point of our fourth line as constructed was to be "Certified Boy-Meat" (Snowball's words, not mine) and to outmuscle/outgrind other teams. How exactly does DeSantis work there?
DeSantis hasn't produced much, at least in terms of points, so why not try something new, I suppose.
Doesn't touch him there
Incredibly soft
Odd deflection on a shot from Fisher gets by the Knights goalie but it's under review. Unsure if it is for offsides on the entry or interference... interference. no goal.
another softie through Cournoyer.
Soft goal for Clarkson off a turnover after a lazy pass out of the defensive zone was stolen. Not sure what the Cheel fan celebration is but it looks like they're cleaning teddy bears off the ice?
Classic. Clarkson looks atrocious, Cornell possesses the puck for 80% of the opening 6:30, Cornell goal waived off, Clarkson scores incredibly soft goal.
Yep
Let's see a composed power play...
Clarkson goalie kept giving up rebounds on the PP and Castagna buried one. All tied up.
Three goals (one waived off) and the Clarkson broadcast didn't capture a remotely clear view of any of them.
Fegaras must like riding the pine
Quote from: ugarte on December 05, 2025, 07:20:57 PMClarkson goalie kept giving up rebounds on the PP and Castagna buried one. All tied up.
Don't let the foot off the gas.
Knights running the slingshot breakout that never worked for us.
Cheel has no piped-in jock jams. So embarrassing that we do.
USCHO now runs play by play on the bug across the entire scoreboard. Pretty damn impressive.
A-woo-ga, a-woo-ga.
Sparse attendance
Is there a band there tonight?
Don't u touch Walsh!!!
1-1 to end the first. Don't let the foot off the gas and we should be okay.
It's hard to follow the action watching this 1986 camera feed on my phone, but the wave off seemed iffy.
Just keep playing hard.
Quote from: fastforward on December 05, 2025, 07:36:48 PMSparse attendance
Is there a band there tonight?
Thought I heard us but there is a lot of overlap with CLK.
We have had more offsides tonight than in the last 2 years total.
Good to be on the PK in their zone.
"That's a lot of human, right there..."
Quote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 08:23:39 PM"That's a lot of human, right there..."
That was awesome
Ryan's control is strong.
Please get one before the break
Sparkes is 6'8"?
"Exchanging pleasantries..."
"Christmas wishes."
"Cookie recipes!"
Women lost 3-0 to Q. :'(
Figure it out in the third.
Pretty sure Cornell hit a post that the announcers kept referring to as a Clarkson save, but the stream quality isn't good enough to tell. This would be a bad loss, hopefully we get a bounce for once.
I can hear the pep band doing the You Suck song.
"If the powerplay isn't working, it's psychological down the whole bench."
24-25 men's team: You Don't Say?
Yes, Major hit a post flush.
Would be cool for the Cornell Big Red men's ice hockey team to score on the Clarkson Golden Knights and have it cou-
STAY OUT OF THE BOX YOU ABSOLUTE CRIMEBAGS
We are on a mission to score a shorty.
Wow that was an Eephus.
Jesus fuck that was a close one.
Quote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:01:28 PMJesus fuck that was a close one.
a.k.a. the Jim Edmands Memorial goal. Off his back, 41 years ago and still etched in my memory.
Quote from: Trotsky on December 05, 2025, 09:03:40 PMQuote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:01:28 PMJesus fuck that was a close one.
a.k.a. the Jim Edmands Memorial goal. Off his back, 41 years ago and still etched in my memory.
41 years ago... almost twice as old as I am :)))
Was that five hole again?
Mother FUCKER. 2-1, them. Not much Cournoyer can do there. SCORE GOD DAMN IT.
Quote from: chimpfood on December 05, 2025, 09:05:04 PMWas that five hole again?
Left side of net, looked like.
Quote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:05:27 PMMother FUCKER. 2-1, them. Not much Cournoyer can do there. SCORE GOD DAMN IT.
Okay that was a bad one. 3-1 them. Ughhhhh. I need to shut up about winning.
WTAF 😱
Not tonight, boss.
Quote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:06:14 PMQuote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:05:27 PMMother FUCKER. 2-1, them. Not much Cournoyer can do there. SCORE GOD DAMN IT.
Okay that was a bad one. 3-1 them. Ughhhhh. I need to shut up about winning.
So it's gonna be one of those games. 4-1 them, and a pile-up of Red in front of Cournoyer.
Pretty much a meltdown. Barring a massive comeback, they'll need to not lose against a bad SLU team tomorrow
Yeah this is disgusting. Was thinking of finally making the north country trip but glad I didn't. I guess North Dakota and Penn State lost to these guys but this is embarrassing. Absolutely need to win tomorrow.
This is a teachable moment for a young squad. Let's see how we respond.
Quote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:08:53 PMQuote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:06:14 PMQuote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:05:27 PMMother FUCKER. 2-1, them. Not much Cournoyer can do there. SCORE GOD DAMN IT.
Okay that was a bad one. 3-1 them. Ughhhhh. I need to shut up about winning.
So it's gonna be one of those games. 4-1 them, and a pile-up of Red in front of Cournoyer.
Now I'm sensing some impending goonery.
I would guess Keopple gets the start tomorrow. It's not like I'm done with Cournoyer after a couple bad games but it only seems fair to give remi another chance
Quote from: chimpfood on December 05, 2025, 09:09:43 PMYeah this is disgusting. Was thinking of finally making the north country trip but glad I didn't. I guess North Dakota and Penn State lost to these guys but this is embarrassing. Absolutely need to win tomorrow.
NoDak and Penn State are also teams that are supposed to be good but lowkey aren't.
Casey, get the neuralyzer.
Clarkson has some talent but we got outplayed and outcoached tonight in this 3rd period. JF Houle is crafty.
Quote from: chimpfood on December 05, 2025, 09:10:59 PMI would guess Keopple gets the start tomorrow. It's not like I'm done with Cournoyer after a couple bad games but it only seems fair to give remi another chance
One bad game. The BU game wasn't that bad at all. If Cournoyer puts up another stinker at SLU, then you try Remi again. Or, more likely, wait out the winter break and reevaluate.
YOU CRIMEBAGS.
Can we even manage another SOG before the end of the game? We're playing very "frustrated" now.
"Flat punctuated by frustrated is no way to go through the third period, son."
Well, there's still time for us to pull the reverse version of this debacle:
https://clarksonathletics.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/stats/2021-22/cornell/boxscore/7850
Hiscock, Wallace, and everyone else who took an undisciplined offensive zone penalty should be benched. This team is clueless on offense even by Cornell standards. No idea if the Clarkson goalie was interfered with on the waived off goal. How can a stream deemed worthy of a TV broadcast be so bad that you have absolutely no idea what happened on a (non-)goal?
Overall, this was a laughable effort. Cornell is back firmly in rebuilding year territory. Doubt Casey is fiery enough to rip the team a new one, but this was a total embarrassment.
Quote from: sah67 on December 05, 2025, 09:19:34 PMCan we even manage another SOG before the end of the game? We're playing very "frustrated" now.
At this point the game is a wash. PK with 5 left down 3. Would need a generational meltdown to tie this, much less win. Just don't get hurt and try not to let in anything else, and the second you get off the ice forget everything about this entire game and get it together for tomorrow.
EN for Cornell. Comeback starts now?
Wow, I still hate the numbers on the front of the Cornell jerseys.
Well, we're getting 6-on-5 practice in.
Ooh, powerplay.
Petit scrum.
We get a power play but Cournoyer goes back in net? Huh?
Nice to see Courns still has his stretch pass.
Anyway. That sucked. Don't do that again. Yeah?
Quote from: imafrshmn on December 05, 2025, 09:11:56 PMClarkson has some talent but we got outplayed and outcoached tonight in this 3rd period. JF Houle is crafty.
What did he do?
Every season has That Game.
Hopefully, this was That Game.
Quote from: Trotsky on December 05, 2025, 09:36:03 PMEvery season has That Game.
Hopefully, this was That Game.
Can't win 'em all. That one sucked. At least they didn't get shut out by their former goalie like my Devils though. Anyway. No pizza for dinner tonight, get it together for tomorrow, and for God's sake don't get 3 goals scored on you in 2 minutes again. Learning moments.
It's weird that I always feel less pissed about blowout losses than I do about close ones. We dominated faceoffs, won the special teams battle, and outshot them but I'm less mad about this one than I am about our other losses.
Quote from: chimpfood on December 05, 2025, 09:38:52 PMIt's weird that I always feel less pissed about blowout losses than I do about close ones. We dominated faceoffs, won the special teams battle, and outshot them but I'm less mad about this one than I am about our other losses.
I think seeing that three goal onslaught kinda just gave you the feeling it'd be one of Those Games. Shit happens. Good thing this isn't in March.
Again, hard to follow that stream on my phone, but it looked like we got suckered into a chippiness party and committed some bad penalties behind the play in the third and otherwise lost focus.
Hopefully this a good lesson and whatnot.
Glad I am NOT a fly on the wall in the Cornell locker room right now.
On to tomorrow.
The penalties didn't cost us on the scoreboard but they surely disrupt the flow and cohesion of the lines.
Too many stupid penalties
STAY OUTTA DA BOX
Quote from: chimpfood on December 05, 2025, 09:38:52 PMIt's weird that I always feel less pissed about blowout losses than I do about close ones. We dominated faceoffs, won the special teams battle, and outshot them but I'm less mad about this one than I am about our other losses.
The game was tied for like the first 50 minutes.
Quote from: Snowball on December 05, 2025, 09:45:15 PMGlad I am NOT a fly on the wall in the Cornell locker room right now.
On to tomorrow.
Live look at the away locker room at Cheel rn. (https://youtu.be/FjYyIKkRvUU?si=PcqPeOanGe3WSO_n)
17 in the NPI now, I have to imagine tonight's result dropped our odds from ~35% of an at-large bid to ~20%.
Shit happens, but that kind of shit would hardly ever happen under Schafer. Obviously we were pressing to
get back in the game and got punked.
Quote from: stereax on December 05, 2025, 09:49:09 PMQuote from: Snowball on December 05, 2025, 09:45:15 PMGlad I am NOT a fly on the wall in the Cornell locker room right now.
On to tomorrow.
Live look at the away locker room at Cheel rn. (https://youtu.be/FjYyIKkRvUU?si=PcqPeOanGe3WSO_n)
Hahahahhah Yes.
Per CHN box score, Cornell's xG was 3.1 and Clarkson's was 2.3. Which indicates that (as usual) we were unlucky. But (1) I've read that CHN's xG model is flawed because it looks only at shot location and not at shot type, (2) xG doesn't account for goalie difference, and tonight Cournoyer let in a soft goal, and (3) honestly, Clarkson seems like a pretty bad team so it feels really bad to lose to them. The total lack of discipline and inability to spread out the Clarkson defense were the most glaring things. It was a horrible los that nuked our chances even though the underlying metrics were fine.
Quote from: BearLover on December 05, 2025, 10:13:06 PMPer CHN box score, Cornell's xG was 3.1 and Clarkson's was 2.3. Which indicates that (as usual) we were unlucky. But (1) I've read that CHN's xG model is flawed because it looks only at shot location and not at shot type, (2) xG doesn't account for goalie difference, and tonight Cournoyer let in a soft goal, and (3) honestly, Clarkson seems like a pretty bad team so it feels really bad to lose to them. The total lack of discipline and inability to spread out the Clarkson defense were the most glaring things. It was a horrible los that nuked our chances even though the underlying metrics were fine.
It did not nuke our chances.
We're at 17 in the NPI, far from disastrous but we'll need a good run in our next 5 games that aren't gonna give us much NPI juice.
Quote from: chimpfood on December 05, 2025, 10:20:22 PMWe're at 17 in the NPI, far from disastrous but we'll need a good run in our next 5 games that aren't gonna give us much NPI juice.
For better or worse, I think NPI needs some time to come into focus. BU is 8-7-1 and suddenly up to 26. UMass is 8-8-0 and all the way down at 45. Strength of schedule and all that, but it's iffy to use 16 games as both rankings and SoS since it's a smaller sample.
Long story short, we gotta see where a lot of things shake out.
Quote from: imafrshmn on December 05, 2025, 10:02:48 PMShit happens, but that kind of shit would hardly ever happen under Schafer. Obviously we were pressing to
get back in the game and got punked.
It did happen some. This game from January of 2020:
#1 Men's Hockey Dealt 5-0 Loss By #18 Quinnipiac
"It's a disappointing night all around"
HAMDEN, Conn. — Quinnipiac scored three goals in a span of 2 minutes, 36 seconds in the first period Friday, and the Cornell men's hockey team never recovered in a 5-0 loss at People's United Center.
A hockey parent told me that immediately after the loss Schaf had the team lift weights.
Quote from: Dafatone on December 05, 2025, 10:18:26 PMQuote from: BearLover on December 05, 2025, 10:13:06 PMPer CHN box score, Cornell's xG was 3.1 and Clarkson's was 2.3. Which indicates that (as usual) we were unlucky. But (1) I've read that CHN's xG model is flawed because it looks only at shot location and not at shot type, (2) xG doesn't account for goalie difference, and tonight Cournoyer let in a soft goal, and (3) honestly, Clarkson seems like a pretty bad team so it feels really bad to lose to them. The total lack of discipline and inability to spread out the Clarkson defense were the most glaring things. It was a horrible los that nuked our chances even though the underlying metrics were fine.
It did not nuke our chances.
As I said earlier in this thread, I would guess it decreased our chances of a at-large bid from ~35% to ~20%. These numbers are arbitrary, obviously. But there are extremely thin margins when you're on the bubble. We've been in or out of the NCAA by one game the last several years (looking also at the last two years, where we won the ECAC but if we needed an at-large bid we would have missed by one game). Moreover, this is a game we were supposed to win. It's not the same as losing to Quinnipiac. So when you factor in the fact we lost, which is bad, against a team the rankings would expect us to beat, which is bad, the end result is very bad.
I bailed after the first for family reasons and when I saw it was still 1-1 late in the third I decided that while there is a lot of individual talent on the team they really need to learn how to play hockey. I'm glad they're mostly young because it's really frustrating to see so little cohesion in the offensive zone. The PPG was really, really nice but I didn't see anything else like it all period.
Quote from: Snowball on December 05, 2025, 10:28:54 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on December 05, 2025, 10:02:48 PMShit happens, but that kind of shit would hardly ever happen under Schafer. Obviously we were pressing to
get back in the game and got punked.
It did happen some. This game from January of 2020:
#1 Men's Hockey Dealt 5-0 Loss By #18 Quinnipiac
"It's a disappointing night all around"
HAMDEN, Conn. — Quinnipiac scored three goals in a span of 2 minutes, 36 seconds in the first period Friday, and the Cornell men's hockey team never recovered in a 5-0 loss at People's United Center.
A hockey parent told me that immediately after the loss Schaf had the team lift weights.
And what year did we blow a 2-goal third period lead to Brown at Meehan in about 90 seconds? That was a bad night.
Edit: Nope, we blew a 3-0 third period lead in under a minute.
http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2019/box20190215.pdf
THAT was a stinker.
Cornell came out and totally controlled the first five minutes (without a whistle) and Fisher scored off of someone in front. Then after the review takes the goal away Clarkson played them better than even the rest of the first and it felt like the standard first period of this 25-26 season.
On the Clarkson goal Ashton had Major right in front of him but instead of handing it off he passed it around Major and right to the Clarkson forward. I wasn't sure if Ashton screened Cournoyer or if it went in off of Ashton but it definitely fooled Cournoyer.
Cornell didn't come out for the second and start to take over the game like they have all year. Two offensive zone penalties and some questionable decisions with the puck lead to a mostly flat period.
Kraft had a puck below the goal line, came out in front and had nobody within ten feet of him but instead of turning and putting the puck on net he sent it to the point. Cornell's best chances all came from plays below the dots but most often they wanted to play low to high.
The other head scratcher that period was a DeSantis rush that was a four on two across the red line but instead of pushing the play he softly dumped it in and made a change. I would think that someone on the bench would have been yelling for him to go but instead it was just a turnover.
The Charlie Major post was a brilliant individual play. If I remember correctly it came after some sustained cycle down below the goal line.
The third was just more inconsistency and frustration. There were so many bodies in front of Cournoyer on the go ahead goal that I couldn't even see it go in. Cornell was running around on that one and everyone got bunched up. The final two goals happened so fast. I may be mistaken but I think it was on the third goal that Walsh had a chance to defend but instead he took himself out of position when he went to finish a check in the neutral zone. The final goal was an incredible pick of the top corner over the shoulder of Cournoyer.
After that goal Casey went over to Keopple to chat, Keopple looked up at the clock and then Casey kind of shrugged and went back to his spot. I'm curious what the discussion was?
Someone talked about them dominating faceoffs. I'm not sure what the numbers say but Clarkson tied them up at the dot all night. Even if Cornell won a draw it was rarely clean. I remember one in the third where neither centerman touched the puck and it just sat in the dot while they stood standing locked together.
Clarkson also did a terrific job getting under Cornell's skin. All of the after the whistle stuff and the blocked shots and the being in the way all night finally led to the dam breaking.
The Cornell band did not travel. There were a ton of empty seats. I was expecting more Red in the stands.
There were a lot of possible reasons for a game like this. I was thinking about how six days ago they were playing at Madison Square Garden and now tonight they were in Amish Country. Definitely grounds for a let down. One of mankind's greatest unanswered questions continues to be how Cornell comes to the North Country and struggles year after year regardless of the quality of the competition. Tonight they played against a team they are bigger than, faster than and probably more skilled than. In the end though if they take care of business down the road in St Lawrence then a road split puts them at 6-2. I'll take that every eight games in this league.
Quote from: RichH on December 06, 2025, 12:42:31 AMQuote from: Snowball on December 05, 2025, 10:28:54 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on December 05, 2025, 10:02:48 PMShit happens, but that kind of shit would hardly ever happen under Schafer. Obviously we were pressing to
get back in the game and got punked.
It did happen some. This game from January of 2020:
#1 Men's Hockey Dealt 5-0 Loss By #18 Quinnipiac
"It's a disappointing night all around"
HAMDEN, Conn. — Quinnipiac scored three goals in a span of 2 minutes, 36 seconds in the first period Friday, and the Cornell men's hockey team never recovered in a 5-0 loss at People's United Center.
A hockey parent told me that immediately after the loss Schaf had the team lift weights.
And what year did we blow a 2-goal third period lead to Brown at Meehan in about 90 seconds? That was a bad night.
Edit: Nope, we blew a 3-0 third period lead in under a minute.
http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2019/box20190215.pdf
The 4-0 lead we blew in the final minutes of the third period at Cheel in 2021 (against Casey) is still the worst "meltdown" of the Schafer era for me, especially since we were on a 9-1-1 start to the season at that point, and there was still some optimism that we could reproduce our dominance from the lost, Covid-ruined season.
That collapse against Clarkson kicked off a much more mediocre/topsy-turvy stretch, culminating in our ECAC QF series loss against Colgate at Lynah, which, if memory serves, was our first playoff series loss at home in many years.
Quote from: VIEWfromK on December 06, 2025, 01:11:26 AMTHAT was a stinker.
Cornell came out and totally controlled the first five minutes (without a whistle) and Fisher scored off of someone in front. Then after the review takes the goal away Clarkson played them better than even the rest of the first and it felt like the standard first period of this 25-26 season.
On the Clarkson goal Ashton had Major right in front of him but instead of handing it off he passed it around Major and right to the Clarkson forward. I wasn't sure if Ashton screened Cournoyer or if it went in off of Ashton but it definitely fooled Cournoyer.
Cornell didn't come out for the second and start to take over the game like they have all year. Two offensive zone penalties and some questionable decisions with the puck lead to a mostly flat period.
Kraft had a puck below the goal line, came out in front and had nobody within ten feet of him but instead of turning and putting the puck on net he sent it to the point. Cornell's best chances all came from plays below the dots but most often they wanted to play low to high.
The other head scratcher that period was a DeSantis rush that was a four on two across the red line but instead of pushing the play he softly dumped it in and made a change. I would think that someone on the bench would have been yelling for him to go but instead it was just a turnover.
The Charlie Major post was a brilliant individual play. If I remember correctly it came after some sustained cycle down below the goal line.
The third was just more inconsistency and frustration. There were so many bodies in front of Cournoyer on the go ahead goal that I couldn't even see it go in. Cornell was running around on that one and everyone got bunched up. The final two goals happened so fast. I may be mistaken but I think it was on the third goal that Walsh had a chance to defend but instead he took himself out of position when he went to finish a check in the neutral zone. The final goal was an incredible pick of the top corner over the shoulder of Cournoyer.
After that goal Casey went over to Keopple to chat, Keopple looked up at the clock and then Casey kind of shrugged and went back to his spot. I'm curious what the discussion was?
Someone talked about them dominating faceoffs. I'm not sure what the numbers say but Clarkson tied them up at the dot all night. Even if Cornell won a draw it was rarely clean. I remember one in the third where neither centerman touched the puck and it just sat in the dot while they stood standing locked together.
Clarkson also did a terrific job getting under Cornell's skin. All of the after the whistle stuff and the blocked shots and the being in the way all night finally led to the dam breaking.
The Cornell band did not travel. There were a ton of empty seats. I was expecting more Red in the stands.
There were a lot of possible reasons for a game like this. I was thinking about how six days ago they were playing at Madison Square Garden and now tonight they were in Amish Country. Definitely grounds for a let down. One of mankind's greatest unanswered questions continues to be how Cornell comes to the North Country and struggles year after year regardless of the quality of the competition. Tonight they played against a team they are bigger than, faster than and probably more skilled than. In the end though if they take care of business down the road in St Lawrence then a road split puts them at 6-2. I'll take that every eight games in this league.
Shout out to "K" for forgoing hazard pay while trekking to North Country to watch our beloved Big Red and provide this nice long post about the game. Especially valuable to those of us watching on TV as the hapless ESPN cameraman apparently thought he was filming chess and we couldn't see the majority of the goals.
Quote from: sah67 on December 06, 2025, 08:00:55 AMThe 4-0 lead we blew in the final minutes of the third period at Cheel in 2021 (against Casey) is still the worst "meltdown" of the Schafer era for me, especially since we were on a 9-1-1 start to the season at that point, and there was still some optimism that we could reproduce our dominance from the lost, Covid-ruined season.
That collapse against Clarkson kicked off a much more mediocre/topsy-turvy stretch, culminating in our ECAC QF series loss against Colgate at Lynah, which, if memory serves, was our first playoff series loss at home in many years.
That was not a trip down Memory Lane I needed with morning coffee.
Quote from: Snowball on December 06, 2025, 02:09:04 PMShout out to "K" for forgoing hazard pay while trekking to North Country
It was nuthin'
Quote from: JasonN95 on December 04, 2025, 07:10:04 PMI'm curious to see what sort of reception Casey receives.
There was no audible booing. The band also did not do anything. The only negative action I saw against him was when he came out for the third (they walk out the Zamboni entrance around to the bench). As the mascot skated by it held out its hand for a fist bump but pulled it away at the last second and did the psych gesture.
Clarkson uses pro arena attendance counts: Anybody who has season or advance-sale tickets and didn't show, gets counted, although these ticket holders aren't buying burgers, pizza or beer at Cheel.
Cheel capaciy 3000
Reported attendance 2285
Percent full 76%
Four days in the North Country and we were lucky to get away with only this much road salt attaching to the car.
Quote from: BearLover on December 05, 2025, 10:37:02 PMQuote from: Dafatone on December 05, 2025, 10:18:26 PMQuote from: BearLover on December 05, 2025, 10:13:06 PMPer CHN box score, Cornell's xG was 3.1 and Clarkson's was 2.3. Which indicates that (as usual) we were unlucky. But (1) I've read that CHN's xG model is flawed because it looks only at shot location and not at shot type, (2) xG doesn't account for goalie difference, and tonight Cournoyer let in a soft goal, and (3) honestly, Clarkson seems like a pretty bad team so it feels really bad to lose to them. The total lack of discipline and inability to spread out the Clarkson defense were the most glaring things. It was a horrible los that nuked our chances even though the underlying metrics were fine.
It did not nuke our chances.
As I said earlier in this thread, I would guess it decreased our chances of a at-large bid from ~35% to ~20%. These numbers are arbitrary, obviously. But there are extremely thin margins when you're on the bubble. We've been in or out of the NCAA by one game the last several years (looking also at the last two years, where we won the ECAC but if we needed an at-large bid we would have missed by one game). Moreover, this is a game we were supposed to win. It's not the same as losing to Quinnipiac. So when you factor in the fact we lost, which is bad, against a team the rankings would expect us to beat, which is bad, the end result is very bad.
The problem with your post is that you proved that you were wrong when you said it nuked our chances.
Nuke is total annihilation. I have no idea if it's correct, but now you give us a 20% chance.
I'll tell you, I'd take a 20% chance of survival in a nuclear war.
But on the other hand, at my age I might take a 20% chance on survival for anything.
In a nuclear war I want to be at ground zero below the very first explosion.
Y'all are difficult enough to live with when things are relatively good.
If you ever wondered, "Does Clarkson have fraternities?" — here is your likely answer. Who else would go out in shorts and a well, not-quite-Hawaiian shirt? Although he appears to have a date.
This is the Clarkson women's game Saturday afternoon versus SLU, same as our Colgate kind of home-and-home weekend. The temperature had recovered, slightly, from the minus-5-degrees overnight temperature.
In Canton/Potsdam, I had to buy some windshield washer fluid (thank goodness for Tractor Supply), my choice was 32 degrees-rated fluid at 99 cents a gallon (I think left over from summer), 0 degrees, and minus-30 degrees. I went to minus thirty. We had to drive home via Syracuse and the Lake (Ontario) Snow Effect is not fake news.
That is all.