Keith Allain has retired. Effective immediately.
https://www.collegehockeyinsider.com/p/end-of-an-era-allain-retires-at-yale?utm_medium=bluesky
I guess he couldn't take the new sound system.
Turned around a historically weak program and led a team to a surprising championship run. Too bad about the recent years but the team probably needed an overdue change anyway behind the bench.
Article in today's Rochester D&C (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=1ce43fac7_134fae5) featuring Ryan Walsh and another Rochester-area hockey standout. Interestingly, it mentions that Ryan had offseason surgery for an injury that "dates back two years."
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Quote from: George64Article in today's Rochester D&C (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=1ce43fac7_134fae5) featuring Ryan Walsh and another Rochester-area hockey standout. Interestingly, it mentions that Ryan had offseason surgery for an injury that "dates back two years."
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What is it with hockey players and not getting offseason surgeries until, like, 3 years after the injury happened???
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Article in today's Rochester D&C (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=1ce43fac7_134fae5) featuring Ryan Walsh and another Rochester-area hockey standout. Interestingly, it mentions that Ryan had offseason surgery for an injury that "dates back two years."
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What is it with hockey players and not getting offseason surgeries until, like, 3 years after the injury happened???
1. Denial.
2. Pressure to keep playing.
3. Fear the surgery won't work and the dream is over.
I get it. They're human. We all lie to ourselves even when it's counter-productive. Now add they are also still children with no life experience. If they made good decisions it would be weird.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Article in today's Rochester D&C (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=1ce43fac7_134fae5) featuring Ryan Walsh and another Rochester-area hockey standout. Interestingly, it mentions that Ryan had offseason surgery for an injury that "dates back two years."
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What is it with hockey players and not getting offseason surgeries until, like, 3 years after the injury happened???
1. Denial.
2. Pressure to keep playing.
3. Fear the surgery won't work and the dream is over.
I get it. They're human. We all lie to ourselves even when it's counter-productive. Now add they are also still children with no life experience. If they made good decisions it would be weird.
That's fair, but I swear every single offseason in the NHL too it's like "Jesper Bratt has had a shoulder issue for 2 years and he's finally getting surgery for it"...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Article in today's Rochester D&C (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=1ce43fac7_134fae5) featuring Ryan Walsh and another Rochester-area hockey standout. Interestingly, it mentions that Ryan had offseason surgery for an injury that "dates back two years."
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What is it with hockey players and not getting offseason surgeries until, like, 3 years after the injury happened???
1. Denial.
2. Pressure to keep playing.
3. Fear the surgery won't work and the dream is over.
I get it. They're human. We all lie to ourselves even when it's counter-productive. Now add they are also still children with no life experience. If they made good decisions it would be weird.
That's fair, but I swear every single offseason in the NHL too it's like "Jesper Bratt has had a shoulder issue for 2 years and he's finally getting surgery for it"...
pain is part of the bargain. if it doesn't keep you from playing and it degrades slowly enough, you get the surgery when you HAVE TO. careers are short. you basically can't come back until you're 100% and it's a grind to get back to exactly where you are right now when it hurts like hell sometimes but you're still good enough to skate and there's a guy right there with cortisone.
Talking about out long with an injury. I do think that he had surgery back in 2021. Neutral Zone in a public post wrote it better than I could.
QuoteMatthew Jovanovic (D, L, 6'2, 201, No team, 09/22/2004, RPI)
Jovanovic has not played a competitive game since the 2020-21 season as a member of the USHL's Des Moines Buccaneers. He has been out all this time due to injury and never even got to play for the Saginaw Spirit – the OHL team that drafted him. RPI has given him a chance to comeback and play the game he loves again.
They have dropped him from 4.5 to 4.0 stars.
Elite Prospects currently lists Yale has having 8 players, each with 0 games of experience (https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/ncaa). They're gonna get a lot of ice time.
Quote from: TrotskyElite Prospects currently lists Yale has having 8 players, each with 0 games of experience (https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/ncaa). They're gonna get a lot of ice time.
12.5% of the team is Finnish.
Is this really the entire team?
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: TrotskyElite Prospects currently lists Yale has having 8 players, each with 0 games of experience (https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/ncaa). They're gonna get a lot of ice time.
12.5% of the team is Finnish.
Is this really the entire team?
The locker room would smell better but no goalie is a bold move Cotton.
CHN Yale Roster (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/roster/Yale/59)
Nothing on USCHO but CHN has a full roster listed.
CollegeHockeyNXT, which is a website/social media account that follows college hockey, lists Ben Robertson on the "all-portal second team." But it also lists Luke Ashton as part of the "all-portal third team." I have no idea if CollegeHockeyNXT is a reliable source at all. It may be run by some kid in his parents' basement.
I'm still very irked that Roberson transferred out. In part because he was our best defenseman and now we have zero returning LHD. But also in part because I'm not sure what it means long term. Are we going to continue losing our best players to NIL schools? UMich is now number 1 on my most hated teams. Yes, above Quinnipiac. BU is also above Quinnipiac now.
The blueline lost Robertson but picked up Fisher and Ashton, both NHL draft choices. That sounds like a net gain.
As to the reasons, we just don't know the details of the specific cases, so we don't know if they are systemic and repeatable or personal and unique. We'll need years of results to see if this will make a significant difference in either direction for the team.
I would analogize Robertson leaving to an employee leaving: your employer is using you as a fungible asset. You owe them nothing. Move as freely as they would axe you for the slightest reason or even on a whim.
Your family loves you; love them. Cornell doesn't give a shit about you; act accordingly.
Quote from: TrotskyThe blueline lost Robertson but picked up Fisher and Ashton, both NHL draft choices. That sounds like a net gain.
We'll see. At the moment, Robertson is more valuable than Fisher and Ashton put together. Fisher had (has?) a lot of potential but has been injured and has not produced for most of the last several seasons. While he is a draft pick, he is not on track to play professionally. That can all change, of course, but that's the current state of affairs.
Ashton is intriguing. Huge player that put up monster numbers in the BCHL one season. It didn't fully translate to Minnesota State last year, but he did produce some.
In sum, Robertson is a known quantity great collegiate player. Fisher and Ashton are not, though there is some potential there. Also, two players are better than one, and they each have three years of remaining eligibility to Robertson's two. So right now I give the advantage to Robertson, but it's subject to change.
Quote from: ursusminorTalking about out long with an injury. I do think that he had surgery back in 2021. Neutral Zone in a public post wrote it better than I could.
QuoteMatthew Jovanovic (D, L, 6'2, 201, No team, 09/22/2004, RPI)
Jovanovic has not played a competitive game since the 2020-21 season as a member of the USHL's Des Moines Buccaneers. He has been out all this time due to injury and never even got to play for the Saginaw Spirit – the OHL team that drafted him. RPI has given him a chance to comeback and play the game he loves again.
They have dropped him from 4.5 to 4.0 stars.
YEOUCH. What the hell happened to him. Poor dude.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: ursusminorTalking about out long with an injury. I do think that he had surgery back in 2021. Neutral Zone in a public post wrote it better than I could.
QuoteMatthew Jovanovic (D, L, 6'2, 201, No team, 09/22/2004, RPI)
Jovanovic has not played a competitive game since the 2020-21 season as a member of the USHL's Des Moines Buccaneers. He has been out all this time due to injury and never even got to play for the Saginaw Spirit – the OHL team that drafted him. RPI has given him a chance to comeback and play the game he loves again.
They have dropped him from 4.5 to 4.0 stars.
YEOUCH. What the hell happened to him. Poor dude.
It's always hard to get details about injuries. Apparently, a hip injury revealed something wrong that he had since birth. He is now skating with NHL players and supposedly he will be able to play this year. We will see what happens. RPI, which had almost a complete turnover, felt it was worth a gamble to sign him.
I doubt that he will return to 4.5 level. I add that Neutral Zone has downgraded him further to 3.5 stars. This makes sense to me.
If most of RPI's gambles come through, Eric Lang will deserve ECAC Coach of the Year honors. RPI is the only ECAC school never to have had a coach honored.
Quote from: BearLoverIn sum, Robertson is a known quantity great collegiate player.
Through ten games of his freshman year I thought he was on the way to being a great college hockey player. Then he struggled to maintain that pace all the way up until he started to get back to that level this past postseason. The power play was not much with him as the only defenseman on the top unit most times. He was just as inconsistent as many players in their first two years. Now I would prefer that he had stayed at Cornell and built on his finish to last postseason but I would argue that none of Cornell's players are irreplaceable. It's just that I've grown attached to them and don't want them to leave.
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: BearLoverIn sum, Robertson is a known quantity great collegiate player.
Through ten games of his freshman year I thought he was on the way to being a great college hockey player. Then he struggled to maintain that pace all the way up until he started to get back to that level this past postseason.
This is what I saw, too.
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: BearLoverIn sum, Robertson is a known quantity great collegiate player.
Through ten games of his freshman year I thought he was on the way to being a great college hockey player. Then he struggled to maintain that pace all the way up until he started to get back to that level this past postseason. The power play was not much with him as the only defenseman on the top unit most times. He was just as inconsistent as many players in their first two years. Now I would prefer that he had stayed at Cornell and built on his finish to last postseason but I would argue that none of Cornell's players are irreplaceable. It's just that I've grown attached to them and don't want them to leave.
Fair enough. But the fact he was reportedly being wooed by UMich, Denver, and Notre Dame suggests to me he is considered a great player by those who understand hockey better than I do.
I'm on Vancouver Island for a few days, and the CBC radio station out of Victoria had a 10-minute story today about the impact of the NCAA rule changes allowing CHL players to now play in the NCAA. Nothing particularly new in the story, but some good examples of the impacts to the local CHL (WHL) team, the Victoria Royals.
https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-48-on-the-island/clip/16166042-how-ncaa-changes-mens-hockey-eligibility-impacting-hockey
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ursusminorTalking about out long with an injury. I do think that he had surgery back in 2021. Neutral Zone in a public post wrote it better than I could.
QuoteMatthew Jovanovic (D, L, 6'2, 201, No team, 09/22/2004, RPI)
Jovanovic has not played a competitive game since the 2020-21 season as a member of the USHL's Des Moines Buccaneers. He has been out all this time due to injury and never even got to play for the Saginaw Spirit – the OHL team that drafted him. RPI has given him a chance to comeback and play the game he loves again.
They have dropped him from 4.5 to 4.0 stars.
YEOUCH. What the hell happened to him. Poor dude.
It's always hard to get details about injuries. Apparently, a hip injury revealed something wrong that he had since birth. He is now skating with NHL players and supposedly he will be able to play this year. We will see what happens. RPI, which had almost a complete turnover, felt it was worth a gamble to sign him.
I doubt that he will return to 4.5 level. I add that Neutral Zone has downgraded him further to 3.5 stars. This makes sense to me.
If most of RPI's gambles come through, Eric Lang will deserve ECAC Coach of the Year honors. RPI is the only ECAC school never to have had a coach honored.
Article about Matthew Jovanovic's history on an RPI fan blog https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/matt-jovanovic-commits-to-rpi
Quote from: Chris H82I'm on Vancouver Island for a few days, and the CBC radio station out of Victoria had a 10-minute story today about the impact of the NCAA rule changes allowing CHL players to now play in the NCAA. Nothing particularly new in the story, but some good examples of the impacts to the local CHL (WHL) team, the Victoria Royals.
https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-48-on-the-island/clip/16166042-how-ncaa-changes-mens-hockey-eligibility-impacting-hockey
We're seeing this all play out even within our own recruiting pipeline: recruiting kids directly from the CHL, younger kids going to the CHL prior to college, fewer kids going Junior A.
At this point, 8 of 12 Cornell recruits playing junior hockey are in the CHL. Of 15 total recruits, the breakdown is as follows:
USHL (4): Sandruck, Tuminaro, Pelletier, Major
QMJHL (4): Marmulak, Kirkwood, Dontigny, Wotton
OHL (2): Dec, Emerton
WHL (2): Ament, Wehmann
Still finishing high school (3?): Peckham(?), DiPlacido, Broderick(?) [unclear if Peckham and Broderick are returning to high school or going to juniors. Possible they are trying to make USHL teams out of camp. DiPlacido will play his senior year at St. Andrews]
Shockingly, zero recruits are in the BCHL. In past years it has felt like around half of our recruits were in the BCHL.
Another wrinkle
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2025/08/ncaa-grants-eligibility-to-two-former-pros.html#ref=home
Quote from: BearLoverShockingly, zero recruits are in the BCHL. In past years it has felt like around half of our recruits were in the BCHL.
I was reading an article earlier today but I forgot to save the link so I can't find it at the moment. However, it was talking about changes to the Canadian leagues and it had some quotes from the head of the bchl.
He said that in Prior seasons something like 25% of all D1 NCAA players had come through the bchl and that the ivy League school rosters were 48% from BCHL iirc.
Quote from: VIEWfromKAnother wrinkle
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2025/08/ncaa-grants-eligibility-to-two-former-pros.html#ref=home
From that:
QuoteThe NCAA is also currently facing a U.S. District Court ruling that challenges how the NCAA counts years of eligibility. Previously, the collegiate association would include years in JUCO, or Junior College, against a player's maximum five years of NCAA eligibility. This new antitrust lawsuit would look to reverse that decision
Holy shit. We're gonna wind up with 32-year old NCAA basketball players who have played for JuCos, European professional leagues, and the Wyoming State Penitentiary All Stars.
NIL Money should be held in a trust until players either graduate or otherwise leave the school. Players should be provided room, board, scholarship, team uniforms, equipment and can earn money washing jock straps after practice, but that's it. Otherwise, intelligible. You should get one 'free' transfer without sitting a year, the second transfer is sit one season, lose no eligibility, third one you lose a season and a year. Everyone gets 5 seasons, grad years included. Max age is 26 at graduation, unless Military or Civilian service, then 27. No more shootouts, except for in season tournaments. White jerseys at home after January 1, then team colors. Playoff's higher seed chooses. Not more than 2 CHL seasons for NCAA eligibility. Nurses, doctors, social workers, other medical providers and teachers get full tuition reimbursement for 5 years of service in the public sector which includes our new Medicare for All system... something something solar on all new construction high speed rail....
Quote from: The RancorNIL Money should be held in a trust until players either graduate or otherwise leave the school. Players should be provided room, board, scholarship, team uniforms, equipment and can earn money washing jock straps after practice, but that's it. Otherwise, intelligible. You should get one 'free' transfer without sitting a year, the second transfer is sit one season, lose no eligibility, third one you lose a season and a year. Everyone gets 5 seasons, grad years included. Max age is 26 at graduation, unless Military or Civilian service, then 27. No more shootouts, except for in season tournaments. White jerseys at home after January 1, then team colors. Playoff's higher seed chooses. Not more than 2 CHL seasons for NCAA eligibility. Nurses, doctors, social workers, other medical providers and teachers get full tuition reimbursement for 5 years of service in the public sector which includes our new Medicare for All system... something something solar on all new construction high speed rail....
Why 5 years of eligibility when college is 4 years? That would kill the Ivy League if it happened.
Quote from: BearLoverWhy 5 years of eligibility when college is 4 years? That would kill the Ivy League if it happened.
I have some bad news for you.
Quote from: The RancorMax age is 26 at graduation, unless Military or Civilian service, then 27.
22. And no Starship Troopers discounts either.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhy 5 years of eligibility when college is 4 years? That would kill the Ivy League if it happened.
I have some bad news for you.
It's a second chance for hockey message board lurkers. It's such an easy game - time to get that grad degree and a bit of fame. Offense, defense or defend the goal. How hard can it be?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhy 5 years of eligibility when college is 4 years? That would kill the Ivy League if it happened.
I have some bad news for you.
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The Ivies and other elite schools are outliers in that undergrads tend to be the "traditional" age for college students and mostly graduate in 4 years. Most U.S. undergrads as a whole are older and take longer to graduate, and a large percentage of undergrads are not full-time students. So should NCAA athlete eligibility reflect some vanishing ideal of what an undergrad is or more closely match the reality of undergrad demographics? The Ivy is gonna do what the Ivy is gonna do, but it doesn't reflect the reality of the overall U.S. undergrad body to say that athletes must be 22 or younger and have only four years of eligibility.
Quote from: WederThe Ivies and other elite schools are outliers in that undergrads tend to be the "traditional" age for college students and mostly graduate in 4 years. Most U.S. undergrads as a whole are older and take longer to graduate, and a large percentage of undergrads are not full-time students. So should NCAA athlete eligibility reflect some vanishing ideal of what an undergrad is or more closely match the reality of undergrad demographics? The Ivy is gonna do what the Ivy is gonna do, but it doesn't reflect the reality of the overall U.S. undergrad body to say that athletes must be 22 or younger and have only four years of eligibility.
Well, yeah, but that's not why they changed the rule to 5. They changed the rule to 5 so that Southern Dipshit University could redshirt their entire incoming offensive line to get their weight up to 310 before their first live snap against Midwestern Fucknugget* State.
*
Go Fighting Lodes!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorMax age is 26 at graduation, unless Military or Civilian service, then 27.
22. And no Starship Troopers discounts either.
Well, several of our juniors this year are already 22...so that won't cut it
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WederThe Ivies and other elite schools are outliers in that undergrads tend to be the "traditional" age for college students and mostly graduate in 4 years. Most U.S. undergrads as a whole are older and take longer to graduate, and a large percentage of undergrads are not full-time students. So should NCAA athlete eligibility reflect some vanishing ideal of what an undergrad is or more closely match the reality of undergrad demographics? The Ivy is gonna do what the Ivy is gonna do, but it doesn't reflect the reality of the overall U.S. undergrad body to say that athletes must be 22 or younger and have only four years of eligibility.
Well, yeah, but that's not why they changed the rule to 5. They changed the rule to 5 so that Southern Dipshit University could redshirt their entire incoming offensive line to get their weight up to 310 before their first live snap against Midwestern Fucknugget* State.
* Go Fighting Lodes!
They did not change the rule to 5.
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorMax age is 26 at graduation, unless Military or Civilian service, then 27.
22. And no Starship Troopers discounts either.
Well, several of our juniors this year are already 22...so that won't cut it
Aspirational.
Quote from: TrotskyQuoteThe NCAA is also currently facing a U.S. District Court ruling that challenges how the NCAA counts years of eligibility. Previously, the collegiate association would include years in JUCO, or Junior College, against a player's maximum five years of NCAA eligibility. This new antitrust lawsuit would look to reverse that decision
This is the Diego Pavia lawsuit, right? He had a breakout at Vandy and wanted another year of NIL eligibility before he gets taken in the 7th round.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhy 5 years of eligibility when college is 4 years? That would kill the Ivy League if it happened.
I have some bad news for you.
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Quote from: toddloseQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhy 5 years of eligibility when college is 4 years? That would kill the Ivy League if it happened.
I have some bad news for you.
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Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: toddloseQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhy 5 years of eligibility when college is 4 years? That would kill the Ivy League if it happened.
I have some bad news for you.
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The "?" still stands
This is the right way to start the 2025-26 season, with a big hit.
Commentator:
"Honestly? that's what you're supposed to do, right? Guy hits your goaltender, knocks his bucket off...yeah, you gotta go in there with purpose."
https://www.instagram.com/share/reel/BAOJ-cJGkN
It's only 40 days and counting until the Univerzitní Hokej Czechia scrimmage.
Liberty the derpy bible thumper degree mill? They have a hockey team?
JFC. Literally.
Quote from: TrotskyLiberty the derpy bible thumper degree mill? They have a hockey team?
JFC. Literally.
Yeah, they're often listed first on ESPN+ under the "college hockey" category, probably because of conservative $$$
They have a med school. That is terrifying.
(https://justhistoryposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/instruments.jpg)
Note: instruments shown bear marks of the scientific method and are thus well beyond Liberty.
Column paying tribute (https://www.nhregister.com/sports/article/keith-allain-yale-hockey-coach-retirement-21018925.php?utm_content=hed&sid=5d95e2d795a7a13ab45b0027&ss=A&st_rid=2055a492-ab8c-4c6e-9bcd-0c1befcee4b5&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CT_NHR_MorningBriefing) to Yale's Allain in CT Hearst Newspapers. According to what Allain said in column, it was his choice to retire, but he'd been preparing to do so after this season. But over the summer had his doubts, and was reflecting on how he didn't like how angry he had been at times last season when things weren't going well at practice. The article said the AD met with him on Aug. 7 and asked him to return for one more season. His retirement was announced the next day.
No mention of new sound system playing a role in his decision.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Chris H82I'm on Vancouver Island for a few days, and the CBC radio station out of Victoria had a 10-minute story today about the impact of the NCAA rule changes allowing CHL players to now play in the NCAA. Nothing particularly new in the story, but some good examples of the impacts to the local CHL (WHL) team, the Victoria Royals.
https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-48-on-the-island/clip/16166042-how-ncaa-changes-mens-hockey-eligibility-impacting-hockey
We're seeing this all play out even within our own recruiting pipeline: recruiting kids directly from the CHL, younger kids going to the CHL prior to college, fewer kids going Junior A.
At this point, 8 of 12 Cornell recruits playing junior hockey are in the CHL. Of 15 total recruits, the breakdown is as follows:
USHL (4): Sandruck, Tuminaro, Pelletier, Major
QMJHL (4): Marmulak, Kirkwood, Dontigny, Wotton
OHL (2): Dec, Emerton
WHL (2): Ament, Wehmann
Still finishing high school (3?): Peckham(?), DiPlacido, Broderick(?) [unclear if Peckham and Broderick are returning to high school or going to juniors. Possible they are trying to make USHL teams out of camp. DiPlacido will play his senior year at St. Andrews]
Shockingly, zero recruits are in the BCHL. In past years it has felt like around half of our recruits were in the BCHL.
As far as I can tell, Peckham and Broderick are headed back to high school and will not play junior hockey this season. Meanwhile, despite dressing
almost all of last season for them, Sandruck apparently did not make the Lincoln Stars roster this year. He was on the preseason roster, but is not on the current roster. Best of luck to him wherever he ends up. Heisenberg seems to expect him to play in the NAHL.
Cornell ranked 17 in the preseason poll. Woot. (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1970167514475970980?t=USmVixUPjYbYqM63fcU8pg&s=19)
Cornell rank in USCHO poll (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_History.html):
Change (Ch) between final poll of prior season (Fi) and pre-season poll of current season (Pr):
[b]Yr Fi Pr Ch[/b]
99 -- --
00 -- --
01 -- 10
02 15 16 1
03 8 8 0
04 1 9 8
05 20 13 -7
06 4 4 0
07 8 4 -4
08 -- 18
09 21 17 -4
10 9 7 -2
11 6 11 5
12 20 20 0
13 10 6 -4
14 -- 18
15 15 14 -1
16 -- --
17 19 25 6
18 13 15 2
19 8 7 -1
20 8 5 -3
23 24 19 -5
24 9 11 2
25 9 9 0
26 12 17 5
The NCHC is rebranding (https://x.com/TheNCHC/status/1970186533308092532?t=f9Cty_6pwLz0kZcndsF0yQ&s=19) to the National. If you wanted something to laugh about.
Quote from: stereaxThe NCHC is rebranding (https://x.com/TheNCHC/status/1970186533308092532?t=f9Cty_6pwLz0kZcndsF0yQ&s=19) to the National. If you wanted something to laugh about.
Do it, Quinnipiac. Dooooooo iiiiiiiiiit............
Serious write-in potential here (https://nchchockey.com/news/2025/7/3/mens-ice-hockey-help-name-the-nchc-tournament-trophy.aspx).
Quote from: TrotskySerious write-in potential here (https://nchchockey.com/news/2025/7/3/mens-ice-hockey-help-name-the-nchc-tournament-trophy.aspx).
Form's been closed since July, lol.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskySerious write-in potential here (https://nchchockey.com/news/2025/7/3/mens-ice-hockey-help-name-the-nchc-tournament-trophy.aspx).
Form's been closed since July, lol.
Too bad, still nominating "Trophy McTrophace" here.
I'm old enough to remember Frank Deford's daily sports paper (https://www.ebay.com/itm/134143780582), which only lasted about 18 months.
On the other hand, I'm far too un-hip to know anything about these guys (https://www.americanmary.com/).
Men's D-1 starts tonight! CHN Schedule (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/schedules/scoreboard.php?rf=2&rtz=0&sd=20251003)
Let's hope Clarkson (Canisius) and Q (BC) can get the conference started in the right direction.
Quinnipiac leading BC 1-0 right now. Am I watching the Q feed on ESPN? Feels like they're super pro-Q...
Quote from: stereax on October 03, 2025, 07:23:56 PMQuinnipiac leading BC 1-0 right now. Am I watching the Q feed on ESPN? Feels like they're super pro-Q...
They look really good so far, good for our NPI (doesn't roll of the tongue like pairwise) but still kind of disgusting.
Quote from: chimpfood on October 03, 2025, 07:37:52 PMQuote from: stereax on October 03, 2025, 07:23:56 PMQuinnipiac leading BC 1-0 right now. Am I watching the Q feed on ESPN? Feels like they're super pro-Q...
They look really good so far, good for our NPI (doesn't roll of the tongue like pairwise) but still kind of disgusting.
4-2 now. Trying to figure out if Q is actually good this year or if BC is just not that good without Leonard, Perreault, and Fowler...
Cornell mention on the broadcast <3
Clarkson losing 2-0 to Canisius, so mixed effects for CHL players so far I guess.
Quote from: chimpfood on October 03, 2025, 08:35:58 PMClarkson losing 2-0 to Canisius, so mixed effects for CHL players so far I guess.
MSU is kicking the shit out of whoever they're playing, apparently. Win for the CHLers.
Watching the pregame of the PSU-ASU game on the NHL Network and believe it or not ASU is retiring Joey Daccord's number. I get that he's a nice story and has had a decent NHL career, but that's a pretty low bar for a number retirement.
Quote from: scoop85 on October 03, 2025, 10:09:55 PMWatching the pregame of the PSU-ASU game on the NHL Network and believe it or not ASU is retiring Joey Daccord's number. I get that he's a nice story and has had a decent NHL career, but that's a pretty low bar for a number retirement.
Not everyone can be as picky as the Big Red.
Speaking of, ASU up 3-2 after 2 over Penn State. Lol.
Quote from: BearLover on September 17, 2025, 06:48:35 PMAs far as I can tell, Peckham and Broderick are headed back to high school and will not play junior hockey this season. Meanwhile, despite dressing
almost all of last season for them, Sandruck apparently did not make the Lincoln Stars roster this year. He was on the preseason roster, but is not on the current roster. Best of luck to him wherever he ends up. Heisenberg seems to expect him to play in the NAHL.
Sandruck is back with the Jr. Amerks in the NAHL.
Uniform retirements are false hustle.
Q did the league proud. Clarkson... um...
Union tied Army uffda. SLU down 1 to Niagara but hey still in it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ben Robertson is quarterbacking the Michigan power play and has 4 assists through 1.5 games so far this weekend (currently halfway through the second game) as Michigan blows out Mercyhurst. Depressing.
Quote from: BearLover on October 04, 2025, 08:12:52 PMBen Robertson is quarterbacking the Michigan power play and has 4 assists through 1.5 games so far this weekend (currently halfway through the second game) as Michigan blows out Mercyhurst. Depressing.
It do be like that. Good for him though.
Quote from: stereax on October 04, 2025, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 04, 2025, 08:12:52 PMBen Robertson is quarterbacking the Michigan power play and has 4 assists through 1.5 games so far this weekend (currently halfway through the second game) as Michigan blows out Mercyhurst. Depressing.
It do be like that. Good for him though.
Good on you too. Seems some folks are always depressed and that can be depressing too.
Is there an ignore function built into this software? JK.
Quote from: stereax on October 04, 2025, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 04, 2025, 08:12:52 PMBen Robertson is quarterbacking the Michigan power play and has 4 assists through 1.5 games so far this weekend (currently halfway through the second game) as Michigan blows out Mercyhurst. Depressing.
It do be like that. Good for him though.
You are way too young to know this meme!
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/they-dont-think-it-be-like-it-is-but-it-do
Quote from: marty on October 04, 2025, 08:50:56 PMQuote from: stereax on October 04, 2025, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 04, 2025, 08:12:52 PMBen Robertson is quarterbacking the Michigan power play and has 4 assists through 1.5 games so far this weekend (currently halfway through the second game) as Michigan blows out Mercyhurst. Depressing.
It do be like that. Good for him though.
Good on you too. Seems some folks are always depressed and that can be depressing too.
Is there an ignore function built into this software? JK.
I think you can now block posters on the new ELynah... if you don't ragequit it for being new, of course :D
Quote from: Trotsky on October 04, 2025, 10:49:15 PMQuote from: stereax on October 04, 2025, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 04, 2025, 08:12:52 PMBen Robertson is quarterbacking the Michigan power play and has 4 assists through 1.5 games so far this weekend (currently halfway through the second game) as Michigan blows out Mercyhurst. Depressing.
It do be like that. Good for him though.
You are way too young to know this meme!
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/they-dont-think-it-be-like-it-is-but-it-do
I'm full of surprises... just like the TBL/FLA game today, lmao.
I can't remember the NHL hyping any NCAA Hockey player before, like they have for Gavin McKenna. Watching the hype machine go over the years from basically not giving a shit to drooling is interesting. I suppose with CHL players having the collage option, this is what to expect.
Quote from: The Rancor on October 05, 2025, 09:37:59 AMI can't remember the NHL hyping any NCAA Hockey player before, like they have for Gavin McKenna. Watching the hype machine go over the years from basically not giving a shit to drooling is interesting. I suppose with CHL players having the collage option, this is what to expect.
Celebrini did not get this level of hype. Nobody from the '25 draft year did either, but that was a more open field. Nobody since Bedard has gotten this level of glaze.
I'm watching the BU-RPI exhibition game and it's both sad and hilarious that on the ice at Agganis is an ad for "Jeffrey Glassman, Injury Lawyer"
I hope it isn't in that corner.
Quote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
Quote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Fun game overall, though (if you're a BU and backup goaltender fan).
Quote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
Quote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Different arena anyway. Walter Brown is only used by the women's team nowadays
Quote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
...Yikes.
Huh. Coulda sworn that was at Agannis.
Quote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
An allusion, not a joke. That's the point.
Quote from: Trotsky on October 06, 2025, 11:50:45 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
An allusion, not a joke. That's the point.
I for one read your comment as an allusion rather than a joke.
Quote from: Trotsky on October 06, 2025, 11:50:45 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
An allusion, not a joke. That's the point.
Well it's definitely an allusion, and I also interpreted it as an attempt at a joke. They're not mutually exclusive. I mean, what was the point of the post, then?
Quote from: Trotsky on October 06, 2025, 11:50:17 AMHuh. Coulda sworn that was at Agannis.
Agganis didn't open until about 10 years later
Our first opponent this season, UMass, put up 35 shots in the first period and 70 in the game vs Northern Michigan Saturday night, if the CHN scoreboard is to be believed. I cannot remember seeing this many SOG by one team in a period or in a game that ended in regulation.
Quote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 01:31:36 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 06, 2025, 11:50:45 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
An allusion, not a joke. That's the point.
Well it's definitely an allusion, and I also interpreted it as an attempt at a joke. They're not mutually exclusive. I mean, what was the point of the post, then?
A joke is something that you'd laugh at. An allusion is a reference point, something that Trotsky often does. He also references jokes or cartoons (good or bad attempts ;D ), but you know it when that happens. Knowing Trotsky I'd never expect him to disrespect an injured player like that. Institutions, big businesses for sure, but not this.
Rather I thought that he was just being cute, even if he was totally wrong.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on October 09, 2025, 10:07:59 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 01:31:36 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 06, 2025, 11:50:45 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
An allusion, not a joke. That's the point.
Well it's definitely an allusion, and I also interpreted it as an attempt at a joke. They're not mutually exclusive. I mean, what was the point of the post, then?
A jKnowing Trotsky I'd never expect him to disrespect an injured player like that. Institutions, big businesses for sure, but not this.
I only know Trotsky through this forum, but his propensity for edgy jokes is exactly why I interpreted this one as a joke. See, for example, his long-running bit about lacrosse players being rapists. This one seemed like an allusion at which you're supposed to laugh nervously, and guiltily, once the allusion becomes clear.
Quote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 01:31:36 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 06, 2025, 11:50:45 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
An allusion, not a joke. That's the point.
Well it's definitely an allusion, and I also interpreted it as an attempt at a joke. They're not mutually exclusive. I mean, what was the point of the post, then?
What are you implying?
Sorry, I mistyped that.
What are you implying, asshole?
Quote from: BearLover on October 09, 2025, 10:21:02 AMQuote from: Jim Hyla on October 09, 2025, 10:07:59 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 01:31:36 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 06, 2025, 11:50:45 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
An allusion, not a joke. That's the point.
Well it's definitely an allusion, and I also interpreted it as an attempt at a joke. They're not mutually exclusive. I mean, what was the point of the post, then?
A jKnowing Trotsky I'd never expect him to disrespect an injured player like that. Institutions, big businesses for sure, but not this.
I only know Trotsky through this forum, but his propensity for edgy jokes is exactly why I interpreted this one as a joke. See, for example, his long-running bit about lacrosse players being rapists. This one seemed like an allusion at which you're supposed to laugh nervously, and guiltily, once the allusion becomes clear.
You are really a piece of work.
I have extended the olive branch so many times but, nope, you're done. Once I find Ignore in this format you unexist. Have a bitter, miserable existence and FOAD.
Quote from: Trotsky on October 09, 2025, 04:50:34 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 01:31:36 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 06, 2025, 11:50:45 AMQuote from: BearLover on October 06, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: stereax on October 06, 2025, 02:27:58 AMQuote from: scoop85 on October 05, 2025, 10:40:50 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 05, 2025, 10:05:08 PMI hope it isn't in that corner.
Thankfully not — it's near the blue line.
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte... which corner?
Trotsky is making a "joke" about 20-year-old BU hockey player Travis Roy breaking his neck and becoming a paraplegic.
An allusion, not a joke. That's the point.
Well it's definitely an allusion, and I also interpreted it as an attempt at a joke. They're not mutually exclusive. I mean, what was the point of the post, then?
What are you implying?
Sorry, I mistyped that.
What are you implying, asshole?
I thought you were trying to make an edgy joke
Clarkson beats Penn state. They looked good all night, especially their goalie. Didn't expect this after they lost to canisius.
Quote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 08:53:57 PMClarkson beats Penn state. They looked good all night, especially their goalie. Didn't expect this after they lost to canisius.
I've still got 40 seconds left on my broadcast. Is this not live?!
Quote from: Beeeej on October 09, 2025, 08:54:40 PMQuote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 08:53:57 PMClarkson beats Penn state. They looked good all night, especially their goalie. Didn't expect this after they lost to canisius.
I've still got 40 seconds left on my broadcast. Is this not live?!
Its live, figured a 2 goal lead with 40 seconds was enough for me to call it.
Quote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 08:55:30 PMQuote from: Beeeej on October 09, 2025, 08:54:40 PMQuote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 08:53:57 PMClarkson beats Penn state. They looked good all night, especially their goalie. Didn't expect this after they lost to canisius.
I've still got 40 seconds left on my broadcast. Is this not live?!
Its live, figured a 2 goal lead with 40 seconds was enough for me to call it.
You and Miami of Ohio in 2009.
Quote from: Beeeej on October 09, 2025, 08:59:44 PMQuote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 08:55:30 PMQuote from: Beeeej on October 09, 2025, 08:54:40 PMQuote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 08:53:57 PMClarkson beats Penn state. They looked good all night, especially their goalie. Didn't expect this after they lost to canisius.
I've still got 40 seconds left on my broadcast. Is this not live?!
Its live, figured a 2 goal lead with 40 seconds was enough for me to call it.
You and Miami of Ohio in 2009.
Yikes. Too soon! 8)
And UNH beat Michigan state. Ferris also leads Western Michigan 2-1 in the third.
Glad to see Big 10 schools losing.
Quote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 09:16:29 PMAnd UNH beat Michigan state. Ferris also leads Western Michigan 2-1 in the third.
Ferris???
For our long suffering RPI fan friends, USCHO is listing the Engineers in first place on the current standings opposite the Cornell roster: https://www.uscho.com/stats/roster/team/cornell/mens-hockey
Quote from: stereax on October 09, 2025, 11:58:42 PMQuote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 09:16:29 PMAnd UNH beat Michigan state. Ferris also leads Western Michigan 2-1 in the third.
Ferris???
Some of us still have vivid memories of losing to Ferris in the regional finals in 2012 after our gorgeous OT upset of Michigan the night before. It was beautiful but excruciating defensive hockey, like watching the same team on both sides. I had to watch from a hotel restaurant in Miami (no, the other one) where I was traveling for work. And after Ferris won 2-1, they ended up facing Union in the Frozen Four semis, an admittedly strong Union team yet one against whom we'd gone 1-0-1 that year.
So many missed opportunities...!
CHL players seem to be doing very well so far. Playing big roles in Quinnipiac's and Clarkson's wins, McKenna has 5 points in 3 games, etc. Things will hopefully calm down over the next few years, but right now it's looking like teams who were able to add CHL players at the last minute are benefiting greatly.
Quote from: Beeeej on October 10, 2025, 09:27:40 AMQuote from: stereax on October 09, 2025, 11:58:42 PMQuote from: chimpfood on October 09, 2025, 09:16:29 PMAnd UNH beat Michigan state. Ferris also leads Western Michigan 2-1 in the third.
Ferris???
Some of us still have vivid memories of losing to Ferris in the regional finals in 2012 after our gorgeous OT upset of Michigan the night before. It was beautiful but excruciating defensive hockey, like watching the same team on both sides. I had to watch from a hotel restaurant in Miami (no, the other one) where I was traveling for work. And after Ferris won 2-1, they ended up facing Union in the Frozen Four semis, an admittedly strong Union team yet one against whom we'd gone 1-0-1 that year.
So many missed opportunities...!
Also, Ferris is in the WCCHA, and Western is in the NCHC, so conference virtue says we should be happy about this.
Quote from: BearLover on October 09, 2025, 09:52:31 PMGlad to see Big 10 schools losing.
Don't try to sweet talk me.
BU has dropped a touchdown on Colgate, 6-2 win. I'm already preparing to be blown out at MSG, lol.
Did you know Colgate's goalie is called Dyck?
Please imagine the insults I am concocting in my head.
Quote from: stereax on October 10, 2025, 09:17:21 PMBU has dropped a touchdown on Colgate, 6-2 win. I'm already preparing to be blown out at MSG, lol.
Did you know Colgate's goalie is called Dyck?
Please imagine the insults I am concocting in my head.
Con-cock-ting?
Q loses to Alaska, great because we can cheer for them to lose and not get hurt in the NPI because we also play Alaska. It's hilarious to me that Quinnipiac just keeps playing their worse goalie for some reason.
Quote from: stereax on October 10, 2025, 09:17:21 PMBU has dropped a touchdown on Colgate, 6-2 win. I'm already preparing to be blown out at MSG, lol.
Did you know Colgate's goalie is called Dyck?
Please imagine the insults I am concocting in my head.
Please let us be up by a 1-2 goals in the closing minutes of the game. The chant writes itself.
Quote from: jtwcornell91 on October 11, 2025, 07:53:52 AMQuote from: stereax on October 10, 2025, 09:17:21 PMBU has dropped a touchdown on Colgate, 6-2 win. I'm already preparing to be blown out at MSG, lol.
Did you know Colgate's goalie is called Dyck?
Please imagine the insults I am concocting in my head.
Please let us be up by a 1-2 goals in the closing minutes of the game. The chant writes itself.
Possibly the greatest joke in eLynah history. Take a bow, my friend.
Quote from: Trotsky on October 11, 2025, 12:38:01 PMQuote from: jtwcornell91 on October 11, 2025, 07:53:52 AMQuote from: stereax on October 10, 2025, 09:17:21 PMBU has dropped a touchdown on Colgate, 6-2 win. I'm already preparing to be blown out at MSG, lol.
Did you know Colgate's goalie is called Dyck?
Please imagine the insults I am concocting in my head.
Please let us be up by a 1-2 goals in the closing minutes of the game. The chant writes itself.
Possibly the greatest joke in eLynah history. Take a bow, my friend.
I didn't ask BU friend about the empty cage specifically - that was my first thought too - but I know they were chanting "You Suck Dyck" every time he got scored on. Which was... a lot.
Skating Saints beats the Catamounts in the battle of the bottom feeders. Every little bit helps the conference.
Quote from: stereax on October 11, 2025, 02:06:04 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 11, 2025, 12:38:01 PMQuote from: jtwcornell91 on October 11, 2025, 07:53:52 AMQuote from: stereax on October 10, 2025, 09:17:21 PMBU has dropped a touchdown on Colgate, 6-2 win. I'm already preparing to be blown out at MSG, lol.
Did you know Colgate's goalie is called Dyck?
Please imagine the insults I am concocting in my head.
Please let us be up by a 1-2 goals in the closing minutes of the game. The chant writes itself.
Possibly the greatest joke in eLynah history. Take a bow, my friend.
I didn't ask BU friend about the empty cage specifically - that was my first thought too - but I know they were chanting "You Suck Dyck" every time he got scored on. Which was... a lot.
Could be a women's game. That would be a lot.
Quote from: Trotsky on October 13, 2025, 11:44:19 AMQuote from: stereax on October 11, 2025, 02:06:04 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 11, 2025, 12:38:01 PMQuote from: jtwcornell91 on October 11, 2025, 07:53:52 AMQuote from: stereax on October 10, 2025, 09:17:21 PMBU has dropped a touchdown on Colgate, 6-2 win. I'm already preparing to be blown out at MSG, lol.
Did you know Colgate's goalie is called Dyck?
Please imagine the insults I am concocting in my head.
Please let us be up by a 1-2 goals in the closing minutes of the game. The chant writes itself.
Possibly the greatest joke in eLynah history. Take a bow, my friend.
I didn't ask BU friend about the empty cage specifically - that was my first thought too - but I know they were chanting "You Suck Dyck" every time he got scored on. Which was... a lot.
Could be a women's game. That would be a lot.
I meant, they did it like 5 or 6 times, LOL.
Quinnipiac just received a commitment from the first overall pick in the USHL Futures Draft, Thaddeus McMahon. Hopefully Pecknold retires soon. Though, now that we've won back to back ECACs, my focus has shifted to winning a national title. From that perspective, whether this kid ends up at Q or at BU isn't a huge difference.
Sorry showing from the ECAC tonight. If Quinnipiac hadn't come back in the final minutes against Maine, it would have been an oh-for (o-fer?).
It's too early to be saying this but it's looking like another year of just Quinnipiac + tournament champion in the NCAA.
Canisius has already beaten Clarkson/STL/Colgate this year
Quote from: BearLover on October 17, 2025, 11:19:30 PMSorry showing from the ECAC tonight. If Quinnipiac hadn't come back in the final minutes against Maine, it would have been an oh-for (o-fer?).
It's too early to be saying this but it's looking like another year of just Quinnipiac + tournament champion in the NCAA.
Onion made me cry when they came back to beat Niagara but good for the league.
Quote from: BearLover on October 17, 2025, 11:19:30 PMSorry showing from the ECAC tonight. If Quinnipiac hadn't come back in the final minutes against Maine, it would have been an oh-for (o-fer?).
It's too early to be saying this but it's looking like another year of just Quinnipiac + tournament champion in the NCAA.
Was thinking the same, which got me thinking - What percentage of OOC games happen very early in the season (when teams are not what they will be come tourney time) and how much does that impact who gets in? I assume greatly, which seems unfortunate.
Quote from: CU2007 on October 18, 2025, 09:41:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 17, 2025, 11:19:30 PMSorry showing from the ECAC tonight. If Quinnipiac hadn't come back in the final minutes against Maine, it would have been an oh-for (o-fer?).
It's too early to be saying this but it's looking like another year of just Quinnipiac + tournament champion in the NCAA.
Was thinking the same, which got me thinking - What percentage of OOC games happen very early in the season (when teams are not what they will be come tourney time) and how much does that impact who gets in? I assume greatly, which seems unfortunate.
Right now the ECAC is 10-15-3. That's a 0.411 winning percentage. I can't easily find the record from last year but in 2023-2024 the season ended with the ECAC having a .414 record in non com games. So this isn't a disaster so far, and better news for us is that two of the losses come from BU and Alaska who we play, so those won't hurt us. Also this is just anecdotal but it seems like the ECAC non conference games have been against tough opponents so far this year, but maybe I'm just making that up.
Quote from: chimpfood on October 18, 2025, 10:20:56 PMQuote from: CU2007 on October 18, 2025, 09:41:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 17, 2025, 11:19:30 PMSorry showing from the ECAC tonight. If Quinnipiac hadn't come back in the final minutes against Maine, it would have been an oh-for (o-fer?).
It's too early to be saying this but it's looking like another year of just Quinnipiac + tournament champion in the NCAA.
Was thinking the same, which got me thinking - What percentage of OOC games happen very early in the season (when teams are not what they will be come tourney time) and how much does that impact who gets in? I assume greatly, which seems unfortunate.
Right now the ECAC is 10-15-3. That's a 0.411 winning percentage. I can't easily find the record from last year but in 2023-2024 the season ended with the ECAC having a .414 record in non com games. So this isn't a disaster so far, and better news for us is that two of the losses come from BU and Alaska who we play, so those won't hurt us. Also this is just anecdotal but it seems like the ECAC non conference games have been against tough opponents so far this year, but maybe I'm just making that up.
Depends if the league is playing the same quality of teams year to year, which may be true - I honestly have no idea. But, I always cringe when I see an ECAC team lose to a team in Atlantic Hockey.
Quote from: CU2007 on October 18, 2025, 09:41:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 17, 2025, 11:19:30 PMSorry showing from the ECAC tonight. If Quinnipiac hadn't come back in the final minutes against Maine, it would have been an oh-for (o-fer?).
It's too early to be saying this but it's looking like another year of just Quinnipiac + tournament champion in the NCAA.
Was thinking the same, which got me thinking - What percentage of OOC games happen very early in the season (when teams are not what they will be come tourney time) and how much does that impact who gets in? I assume greatly, which seems unfortunate.
Agree. I think the old record in last 16 criterion was intended to account for that and reward the hot hand.
As long as the start dates are staggered, the ivies in particular would benefit from front loading conference games (particularly amongst themselves) and maybe making the period from roughly Thanksgiving to MLK the OOC window.
Quote from: Chris '03 on October 19, 2025, 05:42:52 PMQuote from: CU2007 on October 18, 2025, 09:41:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 17, 2025, 11:19:30 PMSorry showing from the ECAC tonight. If Quinnipiac hadn't come back in the final minutes against Maine, it would have been an oh-for (o-fer?).
It's too early to be saying this but it's looking like another year of just Quinnipiac + tournament champion in the NCAA.
Was thinking the same, which got me thinking - What percentage of OOC games happen very early in the season (when teams are not what they will be come tourney time) and how much does that impact who gets in? I assume greatly, which seems unfortunate.
Agree. I think the old record in last 16 criterion was intended to account for that and reward the hot hand.
As long as the start dates are staggered, the ivies in particular would benefit from front loading conference games (particularly amongst themselves) and maybe making the period from roughly Thanksgiving to MLK the OOC window.
All games should carry equal weight. The alternative doesn't seem fair. If teams struggle more early, that's the same problem everyone has to deal with. Well, except for the Ivies. That's an Ivy problem, and yes that can be fixed to some degree by scheduling more intra-Ivy games early, and indeed Yale-Brown and Harvard-Dartmouth used to play each other opening weekend, but Cornell can't really do this with its non-Ivy travel partner.
Re-sort as Cornell/Princeton, Brown/Yale, Harvard/Dartmouth, the North Country, the Capital District, Q/Colgate. Play the ECAC home-and-homes as the first weekend of Ivy sufferance. Move that Ivy start forward by only one week.
The earlier league start also gives the mid season more flexibility to schedule non-conference opponents according to their availability.
Problem solved. I'll have a Samuel Smith Chocolate Stout, please. Next: the Middle East.
Q-Colgate seems like a long trip between games. How about Q-RPI and Colgate-Union to split the difference.
Quote from: TimV on October 20, 2025, 01:38:16 PMQ-Colgate seems like a long trip between games. How about Q-RPI and Colgate-Union to split the difference.
Yes, Q-gate is about an hour longer than the current Q-Princeton
Quote from: chimpfood on October 18, 2025, 10:20:56 PMQuote from: CU2007 on October 18, 2025, 09:41:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on October 17, 2025, 11:19:30 PMSorry showing from the ECAC tonight. If Quinnipiac hadn't come back in the final minutes against Maine, it would have been an oh-for (o-fer?).
It's too early to be saying this but it's looking like another year of just Quinnipiac + tournament champion in the NCAA.
Was thinking the same, which got me thinking - What percentage of OOC games happen very early in the season (when teams are not what they will be come tourney time) and how much does that impact who gets in? I assume greatly, which seems unfortunate.
Right now the ECAC is 10-15-3. That's a 0.411 winning percentage. I can't easily find the record from last year but in 2023-2024 the season ended with the ECAC having a .414 record in non com games. So this isn't a disaster so far, and better news for us is that two of the losses come from BU and Alaska who we play, so those won't hurt us. Also this is just anecdotal but it seems like the ECAC non conference games have been against tough opponents so far this year, but maybe I'm just making that up.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/standings.php
hover over the Inter-Conference Records tab - click on any of the past seasons.
Here's 2023-24
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/standings-interconf.php?s=20232024
UND loses to Clarkson in the North Country. Hmm...
Quote from: Iceberg on October 24, 2025, 09:30:11 PMUND loses to Clarkson in the North Country. Hmm...
3 upsets:
Clarkson 5 #8 North Dakota 2
Colgate 3 #10 Maine 2
Merrimack 4 #6 Quinnipiac 1
1 chalk:
#20 Mankato 4 RPI 2
Quote from: Trotsky on October 24, 2025, 11:25:24 PMQuote from: Iceberg on October 24, 2025, 09:30:11 PMUND loses to Clarkson in the North Country. Hmm...
3 upsets:
Clarkson 5 #8 North Dakota 2
Colgate 3 #10 Maine 2
Merrimack 4 #6 Quinnipiac 1
1 chalk:
#20 Mankato 4 RPI 2
I got all four wrong in the prediction contest on USCHO. I did no worse when I forgot to post guesses last week. :)
Quote from: ursusminor on October 25, 2025, 01:22:47 AMQuote from: Trotsky on October 24, 2025, 11:25:24 PMQuote from: Iceberg on October 24, 2025, 09:30:11 PMUND loses to Clarkson in the North Country. Hmm...
3 upsets:
Clarkson 5 #8 North Dakota 2
Colgate 3 #10 Maine 2
Merrimack 4 #6 Quinnipiac 1
1 chalk:
#20 Mankato 4 RPI 2
I got all four wrong in the prediction contest on USCHO. I did no worse when I forgot to post guesses last week. :)
I dunno it seems consistent. All four ranked teams severely underperformed.
;)
Clarkson has beaten PSU/NDAK and also got dominated by a bad RIT team and lost to Canisius who also beat Colgate, but Colgate has tied BU and beaten Maine? Canisius lost to LIU which is that teams only win.
Also since NPI has replaced the pairwise. What tweaks were made to make that different?
Also noticed that other than the IVYs there is only Miami left as an undefeated untied team, 2-3 weeks into the season.
Quote from: upprdeck on October 25, 2025, 10:51:14 AMClarkson has beaten PSU/NDAK and also got dominated by a bad RIT team and lost to Canisius who also beat Colgate, but Colgate has tied BU and beaten Maine? Canisius lost to LIU which is that teams only win.
Also since NPI has replaced the pairwise. What tweaks were made to make that different?
It's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
Quote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMIt's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
That link is fantastic, Adam!
Quote from: Trotsky on October 27, 2025, 04:18:44 PMQuote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMIt's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
That link is fantastic, Adam!
just replaced the pairwise link that was there for 20+ years? but hey - glad you caught up :)
Quote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMQuote from: upprdeck on October 25, 2025, 10:51:14 AMClarkson has beaten PSU/NDAK and also got dominated by a bad RIT team and lost to Canisius who also beat Colgate, but Colgate has tied BU and beaten Maine? Canisius lost to LIU which is that teams only win.
Also since NPI has replaced the pairwise. What tweaks were made to make that different?
It's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
So this sounds like the "recursive RPI" that we were discussing on HOCKEY-L 20-odd years ago. I didn't realize the NCAA was already doing something like this in other sports.
Quote from: adamw on October 28, 2025, 05:26:04 PMQuote from: Trotsky on October 27, 2025, 04:18:44 PMQuote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMIt's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
That link is fantastic, Adam!
just replaced the pairwise link that was there for 20+ years? but hey - glad you caught up :)
What am I supposed to do with all the headspace I've devoted to remembering pairwise intricacies?
Also, you've explained it to me in fairly convincing detail before, but 1.2 to 0.8 still feels like too much weight for home/away advantage.
The BU-Maine game is fuckin batty. I advise you watch it.
Quote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMQuote from: upprdeck on October 25, 2025, 10:51:14 AMClarkson has beaten PSU/NDAK and also got dominated by a bad RIT team and lost to Canisius who also beat Colgate, but Colgate has tied BU and beaten Maine? Canisius lost to LIU which is that teams only win.
Also since NPI has replaced the pairwise. What tweaks were made to make that different?
It's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
Adam - I found the summary useful but noted the following line regarding home and away game weightings: For postseason conference tournament games, there is no weighting.
Is this true if the game is played at the home rink of the higher seed rather than a neutral site? And if so, what is the rationale there?
Is
Quote from: CU2007 on November 02, 2025, 12:09:08 AMQuote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMQuote from: upprdeck on October 25, 2025, 10:51:14 AMClarkson has beaten PSU/NDAK and also got dominated by a bad RIT team and lost to Canisius who also beat Colgate, but Colgate has tied BU and beaten Maine? Canisius lost to LIU which is that teams only win.
Also since NPI has replaced the pairwise. What tweaks were made to make that different?
It's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
Adam - I found the summary useful but noted the following line regarding home and away game weightings: For postseason conference tournament games, there is no weighting.
Is this true if the game is played at the home rink of the higher seed rather than a neutral site? And if so, what is the rationale there?
Is
yes it's true for all conference tournament games. The rationale stems from conversations with CC coach Kris Mayotte on our podcast a couple seasons ago, after his team barely lost out on an NCAA bid because it lost a best-of-3 home playoff series. He thought the team was getting punished for earning home ice, and then losing a tooth-and-nail 4/5 series. I thought he had a great point and it wasn't just sour grapes - and was glad to see it get taken to the Committee and go from there. Other coaches had said similar things over the years, but none had suggestion that kind of specific solution. As you know 1.2/0.8 isn't really an accurate home/away split as it is, so to get dinged for it in a 4/5 series in the postseason seems pretty unfair.
Quote from: adamw on November 02, 2025, 02:22:08 AMQuote from: CU2007 on November 02, 2025, 12:09:08 AMQuote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMQuote from: upprdeck on October 25, 2025, 10:51:14 AMClarkson has beaten PSU/NDAK and also got dominated by a bad RIT team and lost to Canisius who also beat Colgate, but Colgate has tied BU and beaten Maine? Canisius lost to LIU which is that teams only win.
Also since NPI has replaced the pairwise. What tweaks were made to make that different?
It's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
Adam - I found the summary useful but noted the following line regarding home and away game weightings: For postseason conference tournament games, there is no weighting.
Is this true if the game is played at the home rink of the higher seed rather than a neutral site? And if so, what is the rationale there?
Is
yes it's true for all conference tournament games. The rationale stems from conversations with CC coach Kris Mayotte on our podcast a couple seasons ago, after his team barely lost out on an NCAA bid because it lost a best-of-3 home playoff series. He thought the team was getting punished for earning home ice, and then losing a tooth-and-nail 4/5 series. I thought he had a great point and it wasn't just sour grapes - and was glad to see it get taken to the Committee and go from there. Other coaches had said similar things over the years, but none had suggestion that kind of specific solution. As you know 1.2/0.8 isn't really an accurate home/away split as it is, so to get dinged for it in a 4/5 series in the postseason seems pretty unfair.
Makes sense, thanks
Quote from: stereax on November 01, 2025, 09:35:26 PMThe BU-Maine game is fuckin batty. I advise you watch it.
I caught the third. And did not appreciate the facemasking flashbacks thank you very much.
The question will still be is a flawed computer based system better than a flawed human based system.
Quote from: adamw on November 02, 2025, 02:22:08 AMQuote from: CU2007 on November 02, 2025, 12:09:08 AMQuote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMQuote from: upprdeck on October 25, 2025, 10:51:14 AMClarkson has beaten PSU/NDAK and also got dominated by a bad RIT team and lost to Canisius who also beat Colgate, but Colgate has tied BU and beaten Maine? Canisius lost to LIU which is that teams only win.
Also since NPI has replaced the pairwise. What tweaks were made to make that different?
It's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
Adam - I found the summary useful but noted the following line regarding home and away game weightings: For postseason conference tournament games, there is no weighting.
Is this true if the game is played at the home rink of the higher seed rather than a neutral site? And if so, what is the rationale there?
Is
yes it's true for all conference tournament games. The rationale stems from conversations with CC coach Kris Mayotte on our podcast a couple seasons ago, after his team barely lost out on an NCAA bid because it lost a best-of-3 home playoff series. He thought the team was getting punished for earning home ice, and then losing a tooth-and-nail 4/5 series. I thought he had a great point and it wasn't just sour grapes - and was glad to see it get taken to the Committee and go from there. Other coaches had said similar things over the years, but none had suggestion that kind of specific solution. As you know 1.2/0.8 isn't really an accurate home/away split as it is, so to get dinged for it in a 4/5 series in the postseason seems pretty unfair.
What
is the accurate home/away split? You'd think someone would have figured it out by now. One crude way to do it would be to take all ECAC teams and compare their in-conference home record to their in-conference away record. 1.2/0.8 sounds large (that seems to indicate a team at home is 50% more likely to win than when they're away?). I.e., Cornell winning 4/10 games on the road is as easy as them winning 6/10 games at home.
As for the change to the playoff weighting—-it seems incorrect to say the old formula "punished" or "dinged" teams for getting home games. Rather, the old formula included ann equalizing factor of home games with respect to the pairwise/NPI rankings, and the new formula removes this equalizing factor. Which is to say, if the home/away split was accurate, there was no "punishment." And if it was inaccurate, then the fix should be changing the split to make it more accurate.
Your conclusion about the tooth-and-nail 4/5 playoff series seems backwards. If a team gets the 4-seed and get home ice, isn't that a big advantage, and now, under the new rule, the 5-seed gets severely punished for barely missing out on home ice because they are no longer are protected by the home/away split?
(Plus, the 4-seed still gets the bonus of home games with respect to actually winning your conference tournament. Now, they get this benefit AND they get the benefit that they are more likely to win for their NPI ranking.)
My issue with the new rule is it disproportionately benefits teams who play their conference semis/finals at home sites. Now these teams get the benefit of home ice for up to two extra rounds, without their advantage being accounted for in the NPI. Whereas a team like Cornell is actually
disadvantaged, relatively speaking.
*we do benefit in a vacuum from this new rule in the sense that we usually get a round of ECAC home games. But other teams who are competitive for an at-large spot benefit
more.
Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 11:26:24 AMWhat is the accurate home/away split? You'd think someone would have figured it out by now. One crude way to do it would be to take all ECAC teams and compare their in-conference home record to their in-conference away record. 1.2/0.8 sounds large (that seems to indicate a team at home is 50% more likely to win than when they're away?). I.e., Cornell winning 4/10 games on the road is as easy as them winning 6/10 games at home.
As for the change to the playoff weighting—-it seems incorrect to say the old formula "punished" or "dinged" teams for getting home games. Rather, the old formula included ann equalizing factor of home games with respect to the pairwise/NPI rankings, and the new formula removes this equalizing factor. Which is to say, if the home/away split was accurate, there was no "punishment." And if it was inaccurate, then the fix should be changing the split to make it more accurate.
Your conclusion about the tooth-and-nail 4/5 playoff series seems backwards. If a team gets the 4-seed and get home ice, isn't that a big advantage, and now, under the new rule, the 5-seed gets severely punished for barely missing out on home ice because they are no longer are protected by the home/away split?
(Plus, the 4-seed still gets the bonus of home games with respect to actually winning your conference tournament. Now, they get this benefit AND they get the benefit that they are more likely to win for their NPI ranking.)
My issue with the new rule is it disproportionately benefits teams who play their conference semis/finals at home sites. Now these teams get the benefit of home ice for up to two extra rounds, without their advantage being accounted for in the NPI. Whereas a team like Cornell is actually disadvantaged, relatively speaking.
*we do benefit in a vacuum from this new rule in the sense that we usually get a round of ECAC home games. But other teams who are competitive for an at-large spot benefit more.
Well - it wasn't my decision. But if the "real" home/road is really like 1.02/0.98 - then it most certainly is a punishment for earning home ice advantage. The 1.2/0.8 was put in to encourage top teams to schedule road non-league games. It wasn't meant to be mathematically accurate.
Your argument about 4/5 logic being backwards would be true if the 1.2/0.8 was real.
The rest - we'll see how it plays out. Cornell is going to get other advantages from the new system.
Quote from: adamw on November 02, 2025, 12:00:01 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 11:26:24 AMWhat is the accurate home/away split? You'd think someone would have figured it out by now. One crude way to do it would be to take all ECAC teams and compare their in-conference home record to their in-conference away record. 1.2/0.8 sounds large (that seems to indicate a team at home is 50% more likely to win than when they're away?). I.e., Cornell winning 4/10 games on the road is as easy as them winning 6/10 games at home.
As for the change to the playoff weighting—-it seems incorrect to say the old formula "punished" or "dinged" teams for getting home games. Rather, the old formula included ann equalizing factor of home games with respect to the pairwise/NPI rankings, and the new formula removes this equalizing factor. Which is to say, if the home/away split was accurate, there was no "punishment." And if it was inaccurate, then the fix should be changing the split to make it more accurate.
Your conclusion about the tooth-and-nail 4/5 playoff series seems backwards. If a team gets the 4-seed and get home ice, isn't that a big advantage, and now, under the new rule, the 5-seed gets severely punished for barely missing out on home ice because they are no longer are protected by the home/away split?
(Plus, the 4-seed still gets the bonus of home games with respect to actually winning your conference tournament. Now, they get this benefit AND they get the benefit that they are more likely to win for their NPI ranking.)
My issue with the new rule is it disproportionately benefits teams who play their conference semis/finals at home sites. Now these teams get the benefit of home ice for up to two extra rounds, without their advantage being accounted for in the NPI. Whereas a team like Cornell is actually disadvantaged, relatively speaking.
*we do benefit in a vacuum from this new rule in the sense that we usually get a round of ECAC home games. But other teams who are competitive for an at-large spot benefit more.
Well - it wasn't my decision. But if the "real" home/road is really like 1.02/0.98 - then it most certainly is a punishment for earning home ice advantage. The 1.2/0.8 was put in to encourage top teams to schedule road non-league games. It wasn't meant to be mathematically accurate.
Your argument about 4/5 logic being backwards would be true if the 1.2/0.8 was real.
The rest - we'll see how it plays out. Cornell is going to get other advantages from the new system.
Quote from: adamw on November 02, 2025, 12:00:01 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 11:26:24 AMWhat is the accurate home/away split? You'd think someone would have figured it out by now. One crude way to do it would be to take all ECAC teams and compare their in-conference home record to their in-conference away record. 1.2/0.8 sounds large (that seems to indicate a team at home is 50% more likely to win than when they're away?). I.e., Cornell winning 4/10 games on the road is as easy as them winning 6/10 games at home.
As for the change to the playoff weighting—-it seems incorrect to say the old formula "punished" or "dinged" teams for getting home games. Rather, the old formula included ann equalizing factor of home games with respect to the pairwise/NPI rankings, and the new formula removes this equalizing factor. Which is to say, if the home/away split was accurate, there was no "punishment." And if it was inaccurate, then the fix should be changing the split to make it more accurate.
Your conclusion about the tooth-and-nail 4/5 playoff series seems backwards. If a team gets the 4-seed and get home ice, isn't that a big advantage, and now, under the new rule, the 5-seed gets severely punished for barely missing out on home ice because they are no longer are protected by the home/away split?
(Plus, the 4-seed still gets the bonus of home games with respect to actually winning your conference tournament. Now, they get this benefit AND they get the benefit that they are more likely to win for their NPI ranking.)
My issue with the new rule is it disproportionately benefits teams who play their conference semis/finals at home sites. Now these teams get the benefit of home ice for up to two extra rounds, without their advantage being accounted for in the NPI. Whereas a team like Cornell is actually disadvantaged, relatively speaking.
*we do benefit in a vacuum from this new rule in the sense that we usually get a round of ECAC home games. But other teams who are competitive for an at-large spot benefit more.
Well - it wasn't my decision. But if the "real" home/road is really like 1.02/0.98 - then it most certainly is a punishment for earning home ice advantage. The 1.2/0.8 was put in to encourage top teams to schedule road non-league games. It wasn't meant to be mathematically accurate.
Your argument about 4/5 logic being backwards would be true if the 1.2/0.8 was real.
The rest - we'll see how it plays out. Cornell is going to get other advantages from the new system.
Choosing teams for the national tournament based on a formula that is designed to maximize things other than picking the most qualified teams is absolutely nuts! I'm wondering how off the 1.2/0.8 split is though. I could imagine it's close to the "true" advantage...
Quote from: adamw on November 02, 2025, 02:22:08 AMQuote from: CU2007 on November 02, 2025, 12:09:08 AMQuote from: adamw on October 27, 2025, 01:07:22 PMQuote from: upprdeck on October 25, 2025, 10:51:14 AMClarkson has beaten PSU/NDAK and also got dominated by a bad RIT team and lost to Canisius who also beat Colgate, but Colgate has tied BU and beaten Maine? Canisius lost to LIU which is that teams only win.
Also since NPI has replaced the pairwise. What tweaks were made to make that different?
It's complicated
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi
Adam - I found the summary useful but noted the following line regarding home and away game weightings: For postseason conference tournament games, there is no weighting.
Is this true if the game is played at the home rink of the higher seed rather than a neutral site? And if so, what is the rationale there?
Is
yes it's true for all conference tournament games. The rationale stems from conversations with CC coach Kris Mayotte on our podcast a couple seasons ago, after his team barely lost out on an NCAA bid because it lost a best-of-3 home playoff series. He thought the team was getting punished for earning home ice, and then losing a tooth-and-nail 4/5 series. I thought he had a great point and it wasn't just sour grapes - and was glad to see it get taken to the Committee and go from there. Other coaches had said similar things over the years, but none had suggestion that kind of specific solution. As you know 1.2/0.8 isn't really an accurate home/away split as it is, so to get dinged for it in a 4/5 series in the postseason seems pretty unfair.
I find references to Kris Mayotte triggering after watching him put up like 50something saves beating us at Lynah one year while I couldn't figure out wtf was on his mask.
It might have been a chocobo?
Dartmouth throttling Yale in what's actually a non-conference game. I'll be surprised if Yale doesn't finish in last place this year given that it seems like every other team has improved in some way
Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 12:18:41 PMChoosing teams for the national tournament based on a formula that is designed to maximize things other than picking the most qualified teams is absolutely nuts! I'm wondering how off the 1.2/0.8 split is though. I could imagine it's close to the "true" advantage...
National home ice advantage last year was .5377 ... which is the lowest in at least 10 years. I think that's also skewed by all the "bigger" teams that still host "smaller" teams in most instances where two such teams meet. But that's somewhat speculative.
Quote from: adamw on November 02, 2025, 11:37:06 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 12:18:41 PMChoosing teams for the national tournament based on a formula that is designed to maximize things other than picking the most qualified teams is absolutely nuts! I'm wondering how off the 1.2/0.8 split is though. I could imagine it's close to the "true" advantage...
National home ice advantage last year was .5377 ... which is the lowest in at least 10 years. I think that's also skewed by all the "bigger" teams that still host "smaller" teams in most instances where two such teams meet. But that's somewhat speculative.
Also I assume it is counting teams that host home playoff games by virtue of having a better record.
If I have time I'll eventually calculate what home ice advantage was within the ECAC regular season last year. Small sample but it would account for most of these issues. If someone else wants to take a crack at it, feel free.
Quote from: adamw on November 02, 2025, 11:37:06 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 12:18:41 PMChoosing teams for the national tournament based on a formula that is designed to maximize things other than picking the most qualified teams is absolutely nuts! I'm wondering how off the 1.2/0.8 split is though. I could imagine it's close to the "true" advantage...
National home ice advantage last year was .5377 ... which is the lowest in at least 10 years. I think that's also skewed by all the "bigger" teams that still host "smaller" teams in most instances where two such teams meet. But that's somewhat speculative.
Adam, is that advantage based on straight win/loss?
It would be more useful to see a krach
adjusted advantage as that would remove the big school small school issue and also adjust for sos.
Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 11:43:42 PMQuote from: adamw on November 02, 2025, 11:37:06 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 12:18:41 PMChoosing teams for the national tournament based on a formula that is designed to maximize things other than picking the most qualified teams is absolutely nuts! I'm wondering how off the 1.2/0.8 split is though. I could imagine it's close to the "true" advantage...
National home ice advantage last year was .5377 ... which is the lowest in at least 10 years. I think that's also skewed by all the "bigger" teams that still host "smaller" teams in most instances where two such teams meet. But that's somewhat speculative.
Also I assume it is counting teams that host home playoff games by virtue of having a better record.
If I have time I'll eventually calculate what home ice advantage was within the ECAC regular season last year. Small sample but it would account for most of these issues. If someone else wants to take a crack at it, feel free.
my bad not including ties in a WL% formula. Doesn't change it much nationally ... .5345
the home ice advantage in just ECAC regular-season games was ... negative - by a lot ... .4394
I checked this for all conferences just to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong ... the national WL% for regular-season games in any conference was .... .4960
This lends credence to the idea that non-conference games are largely by "bigger" teams playing "smaller" teams.
The home WL% in the Big Ten - BTW - was ... .5563
take that for what it's worth
(FYI - I did not do goofy points % math with 3-2-1 points, etc... - Just 2 for a W, 1 for T through OT - so Ws including OTWs)
So does it make sense then, that better teams win more home and away and worse teams lose more home and away.
How much does it skew thing if there is no advantage at all for h/a?
A good team in a bad league will win more and also win more away and thus get more credit? But then its value is lowered by the SOS.
I was listening to a show talking about power rankings and metrices for gambling and they had the discussion that basically the eye test is much better at picking better teams but that with so many teams they computer numbers make it easier to assign value even if its wrong.
So my question here was whether the current home/away weighting in the NPL is accurate. It assumes home teams should win 60% of the time, all else being equal. Sounds like in effect it's closer to 53.5%. If I have that right, the 1.2/0.8 weighting should be lessened. Obviously, you'd need to cross-check this against more years to confirm last year wasn't a fluke.
This is all a wash if every team plays the same ratio of games home:away.
Quote from: BearLover on November 03, 2025, 04:12:35 PMSo my question here was whether the current home/away weighting in the NPL is accurate. It assumes home teams should win 60% of the time, all else being equal. Sounds like in effect it's closer to 53.5%. If I have that right, the 1.2/0.8 weighting should be lessened. Obviously, you'd need to cross-check this against more years to confirm last year wasn't a fluke.
This is all a wash if every team plays the same ratio of games home:away.
Nobody ever believed the home/road weighting was accurate. 100% accuracy was literally never the goal. The fact that it's not accurate is not even a question.
Quote from: adamw on November 04, 2025, 09:53:24 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 03, 2025, 04:12:35 PMSo my question here was whether the current home/away weighting in the NPL is accurate. It assumes home teams should win 60% of the time, all else being equal. Sounds like in effect it's closer to 53.5%. If I have that right, the 1.2/0.8 weighting should be lessened. Obviously, you'd need to cross-check this against more years to confirm last year wasn't a fluke.
This is all a wash if every team plays the same ratio of games home:away.
Nobody ever believed the home/road weighting was accurate. 100% accuracy was literally never the goal. The fact that it's not accurate is not even a question.
Umm, ok? Obviously no one would expect it to be perfectly accurate. But I would have expected it to be somewhat based in reality, given they had to choose a number. Why 1.2/0.8 instead of 1.1/0.9 or 1.3/0.7? It's pretty clearly implied that the question of "whether the weighting is accurate" also includes the question of "if it's not accurate, then by how much?"
Quote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 11:03:15 AMQuote from: adamw on November 04, 2025, 09:53:24 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 03, 2025, 04:12:35 PMSo my question here was whether the current home/away weighting in the NPL is accurate. It assumes home teams should win 60% of the time, all else being equal. Sounds like in effect it's closer to 53.5%. If I have that right, the 1.2/0.8 weighting should be lessened. Obviously, you'd need to cross-check this against more years to confirm last year wasn't a fluke.
This is all a wash if every team plays the same ratio of games home:away.
Nobody ever believed the home/road weighting was accurate. 100% accuracy was literally never the goal. The fact that it's not accurate is not even a question.
Umm, ok? Obviously no one would expect it to be perfectly accurate. But I would have expected it to be somewhat based in reality, given they had to choose a number. Why 1.2/0.8 instead of 1.1/0.9 or 1.3/0.7? It's pretty clearly implied that the question of "whether the weighting is accurate" also includes the question of "if it's not accurate, then by how much?"
They literally debate 6 ways to Sunday every different possibility all the time. Conference games vs. NC - OT weights - etc... You want the minutes of all the meetings? I'm telling you the general gist is that it wasn't intended to be accurate. It was intended to encourage bigger programs to play road non-conference games. So no one has cared about tweaking 1.2/0.8 to fit whatever the exact home ice advantage is every year - which fluctuates.
Quote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 11:03:15 AMQuote from: adamw on November 04, 2025, 09:53:24 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 03, 2025, 04:12:35 PMSo my question here was whether the current home/away weighting in the NPL is accurate. It assumes home teams should win 60% of the time, all else being equal. Sounds like in effect it's closer to 53.5%. If I have that right, the 1.2/0.8 weighting should be lessened. Obviously, you'd need to cross-check this against more years to confirm last year wasn't a fluke.
This is all a wash if every team plays the same ratio of games home:away.
Nobody ever believed the home/road weighting was accurate. 100% accuracy was literally never the goal. The fact that it's not accurate is not even a question.
If it angers the media due to their innumeracy, so much the better.
Umm, ok? Obviously no one would expect it to be perfectly accurate. But I would have expected it to be somewhat based in reality, given they had to choose a number.
It would be easy enough to let that number "choose" itself from any given year's actual results, normalized the way the poster said above. They didn't "have" to do anything. It's arbitrary. So let the weights determine themselves. Don't force a (mis-) preconception onto them.
If it infuriates the innumerate masses, so much the better.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 03:35:56 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 11:03:15 AMQuote from: adamw on November 04, 2025, 09:53:24 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 03, 2025, 04:12:35 PMSo my question here was whether the current home/away weighting in the NPL is accurate. It assumes home teams should win 60% of the time, all else being equal. Sounds like in effect it's closer to 53.5%. If I have that right, the 1.2/0.8 weighting should be lessened. Obviously, you'd need to cross-check this against more years to confirm last year wasn't a fluke.
This is all a wash if every team plays the same ratio of games home:away.
Nobody ever believed the home/road weighting was accurate. 100% accuracy was literally never the goal. The fact that it's not accurate is not even a question.
If it angers the media due to their innumeracy, so much the better.
Umm, ok? Obviously no one would expect it to be perfectly accurate. But I would have expected it to be somewhat based in reality, given they had to choose a number.
It would be easy enough to let that number "choose" itself from any given year's actual results, normalized the way the poster said above. They didn't "have" to do anything. It's arbitrary. So let the weights determine themselves. Don't force a (mis-) preconception onto them.
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me but this is what I'm calling for, yes. There's a clear misperception here: I was (and I assume most other fans were) under the impression the 1.2/0.8 split was meant to capture the real advantage of home ice. Apparently that isn't the goal at all. That's not only unfair, it's also misleading. Seems like the easiest way to game the system is to schedule a bunch of games on the road, since you get a bonus that exceeds the home team's real advantage. If you want to slightly sweeten the deal for away teams to encourage more teams to travel to Alaska or something, sure, but once we have to start changing other rules to account for this weighting being bad, then it begs the question whether we need to use weights that are totally off in the first place.
Quote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 03:44:13 PMQuote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 03:35:56 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 11:03:15 AMQuote from: adamw on November 04, 2025, 09:53:24 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 03, 2025, 04:12:35 PMSo my question here was whether the current home/away weighting in the NPL is accurate. It assumes home teams should win 60% of the time, all else being equal. Sounds like in effect it's closer to 53.5%. If I have that right, the 1.2/0.8 weighting should be lessened. Obviously, you'd need to cross-check this against more years to confirm last year wasn't a fluke.
This is all a wash if every team plays the same ratio of games home:away.
Nobody ever believed the home/road weighting was accurate. 100% accuracy was literally never the goal. The fact that it's not accurate is not even a question.
If it angers the media due to their innumeracy, so much the better.
Umm, ok? Obviously no one would expect it to be perfectly accurate. But I would have expected it to be somewhat based in reality, given they had to choose a number.
It would be easy enough to let that number "choose" itself from any given year's actual results, normalized the way the poster said above. They didn't "have" to do anything. It's arbitrary. So let the weights determine themselves. Don't force a (mis-) preconception onto them.
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me but this is what I'm calling for, yes.
I didn't read your post. I am saying any dictated number is artificial so at least this would be somewhat reality-based and flexible. Of course, the choice of algorithm which rolls those results in would itself then be arbitrary, and on and on...
Every reality is a social convention so the sane have a beer and the fanatical fight for the right to impose their pet system. cf. politics, ethics, aesthetics, religion, science, history, law, language, etc...
Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 03:55:03 PMEvery reality is a social convention so the sane have a beer and the fanatical fight for the right to impose their pet system. cf. politics, ethics, aesthetics, religion, science, history, law, language, etc...
As long as the insane aren't allowed to choose the beer I'm fine with this.
Two prime hatewatch opportunities tonight - Stonehill/Harvard and Alaska/Quinnipiac. If either of the non-ECAC teams win, we can brand their opponents absolute frauds.
Quote from: stereax on November 04, 2025, 05:58:43 PMTwo prime hatewatch opportunities tonight - Stonehill/Harvard and Alaska/Quinnipiac. If either of the non-ECAC teams win, we can brand their opponents absolute frauds.
We would prefer them to win, unfortunately. Or I suppose we can think of it as a no lose situation.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 07:29:18 PMQuote from: stereax on November 04, 2025, 05:58:43 PMTwo prime hatewatch opportunities tonight - Stonehill/Harvard and Alaska/Quinnipiac. If either of the non-ECAC teams win, we can brand their opponents absolute frauds.
We would prefer them to win, unfortunately. Or I suppose we can think of it as a no lose situation.
Harvard pumps Stonehill, 6-2, but Alaska and Q tie.
Adam - I'm assuming you didn't catch one of my questions earlier.
Any chance of looking at home advantage and adjusting for quality of opponent by applying krach? The ultimate question isn't home advantage. It's whether being at home makes you more likely than you should be to win vs a specific opponent.
I think this is the math for this, someone correct me if I am wrong:
for each game result, a team is likely to win at a percentage of Ke =Kh/(Kh+Kr)
where Ke is the expected win percent, Kh is the home teams krach and Kr is the road teams krach.
You can calculate a season total for Krach expected home wins by adding up the Ke for all home games by played by a team.
Over or under expectation is the difference between the Ke and the actual win percentage from those home games.
Admittedly I don't know how to handle ties when krach adjusting in this model. Krach ratios tell you how often to expect a win, but I don't think I've ever seen a mention of how to use them to predict the tie percentage. We know that if you are 80% win probability a tie is underperforming, but not as much as a loss, but using any point system for WLT is arbitrary. Is there a theoretical way to predict the tie ratio as well as the win ratio?
Quote from: abmarks on November 04, 2025, 11:46:05 PMAdam - I'm assuming you didn't catch one of my questions earlier.
Any chance of looking at home advantage and adjusting for quality of opponent by applying krach? The ultimate question isn't home advantage. It's whether being at home makes you more likely than you should be to win vs a specific opponent.
I think this is the math for this, someone correct me if I am wrong:
for each game result, a team is likely to win at a percentage of Ke =Kh/(Kh+Kr)
where Ke is the expected win percent, Kh is the home teams krach and Kr is the road teams krach.
You can calculate a season total for Krach expected home wins by adding up the Ke for all home games by played by a team.
Over or under expectation is the difference between the Ke and the actual win percentage from those home games.
Admittedly I don't know how to handle ties when krach adjusting in this model. Krach ratios tell you how often to expect a win, but I don't think I've ever seen a mention of how to use them to predict the tie percentage. We know that if you are 80% win probability a tie is underperforming, but not as much as a loss, but using any point system for WLT is arbitrary. Is there a theoretical way to predict the tie ratio as well as the win ratio?
Rather than relying on KRACH, which (AFAIK) is not a (remotely?) perfect measure of how likely a team is to win versus a specific opponent, can't you control for this by restricting your analysis to in-conference games so that every team plays every opponent an equal number of times home and away?
Quote from: abmarks on November 04, 2025, 11:46:05 PMAdam - I'm assuming you didn't catch one of my questions earlier.
Any chance of looking at home advantage and adjusting for quality of opponent by applying krach? The ultimate question isn't home advantage. It's whether being at home makes you more likely than you should be to win vs a specific opponent.
I think this is the math for this, someone correct me if I am wrong:
for each game result, a team is likely to win at a percentage of Ke =Kh/(Kh+Kr)
where Ke is the expected win percent, Kh is the home teams krach and Kr is the road teams krach.
You can calculate a season total for Krach expected home wins by adding up the Ke for all home games by played by a team.
Over or under expectation is the difference between the Ke and the actual win percentage from those home games.
Admittedly I don't know how to handle ties when krach adjusting in this model. Krach ratios tell you how often to expect a win, but I don't think I've ever seen a mention of how to use them to predict the tie percentage. We know that if you are 80% win probability a tie is underperforming, but not as much as a loss, but using any point system for WLT is arbitrary. Is there a theoretical way to predict the tie ratio as well as the win ratio?
Side notes first ...
- not sure who injected the remark about innumeracy into my quote to make it look like I said it, but I didn't. That said, most people are, in general.
- listen to our latest podcast, with NPI architect Tim Danehy if you want more insight
- leave it to BL to twist things around into oblivion, and if they don't fit into the narrowly defined specifications of his liking, then everyone must be terrible or doing something wrong or misleading people. No one is being misled. No one thinks they are being misled. As I said, they endlessly debate, with each other, what the right thing is. If 1.2/0.8 isn't working out, they'll change it. So far it's close enough. And if it was so easy to "game the system" by scheduling nothing but road games - why aren't teams doing it? Like I said, listen to the podcast.
- As for KRACH - saying it's not "remotely" a perfect measure, is silly (go figure). Where's John Whelan when I need him? It's actually - as far as I'm concerned (with some needed tweaks to what we publish) - the best method there is. Listen to Tim discuss this on the podcast, where he gives a counter-point to that, while also saying that, with enough data, it would be the best system.
- To finally answer the question ... certainly you can do a lot of complex formulations to make things work, and that's what I mean about tweaking KRACH for home/road. But when it comes to something like NPI, they want the criteria to be also somewhat understandable. And since it's all "close enough" - albeit arbitrary in many ways - it works out. Just as the Pairwise did.
- I have 2 math PhDs helping me tweak our KRACH calculation to do exactly things like that, and more. At the end of the day, however, almost anything you do will have subjective components to them. For example, having a "recency bias" is doable, but a philosophical discussion. Having a "Quality Win Bonus" is done now, but that's a philosophical decision, not based on real math, per se. Same for H/R weights, and OT weights. They're not always gunning for perfect math. "Better" math, but not perfect. Because there are other considerations. I mean, you either accept that or you don't. Sorry if anyone believed otherwise - but I tell you the truth, and you can get all agitated about it, or not. Up to you.
repeating ... listen to the Podcast.
Well, I came to this forum to tell people about the fascinating podcast I just listened to on CHN, and what do I see?
Quote- leave it to BL to twist things around into oblivion, and if they don't fit into the narrowly defined specifications of his liking, then everyone must be terrible or doing something wrong or misleading people. No one is being misled. No one thinks they are being misled. As I said, they endlessly debate, with each other, what the right thing is. If 1.2/0.8 isn't working out, they'll change it. So far it's close enough. And if it was so easy to "game the system" by scheduling nothing but road games - why aren't teams doing it? Like I said, listen to the podcast.
Huh? I was, quite literally, misled. I thought home/away weighting was intended to be accurate. Why wouldn't I? The rankings are meant to do their best to capture the most deserving teams for the NCAAs, so obviously I would expect each of the components to serve that same purpose??? I would guess many others had the same misconception.
Quote- As for KRACH - saying it's not "remotely" a perfect measure, is silly (go figure). Where's John Whelan when I need him? It's actually - as far as I'm concerned (with some needed tweaks to what we publish) - the best method there is. Listen to Tim discuss this on the podcast, where he gives a counter-point to that, while also saying that, with enough data, it would be the best system.
But that's the key flaw, isn't it? There's nowhere near enough data. KRACH may be mathematically elegant and it may do the best job at ranking teams at the end of a short season based on past performance, but that is VERY different from accurately predicting future outcomes. There simply are nowhere near enough games in a season and most of them are intra-conference. If one were to build a betting model to predict college hockey games, it would look wildly different from KRACH. Obviously! Because KRACH is trying to rank teams the best it can based on a tiny sample of past performance, it isn't trying to tell you who will come out on top in the future.
Anyway, the podcast is great. I encourage everybody listen.
Quote from: BearLover on November 05, 2025, 08:55:34 PMBecause KRACH is trying to rank teams the best it can based on a tiny sample of past performance, it isn't trying to tell you who will come out on top in the future.
Is there a better model for predicting the future? If there is, and you know it, don't tell anyone just go to Vegas.
The point of KRACH (or NPI) for this discussion is to select teams to play in a postseason tournament. For that, I don't want something predictive. I want something that "ranks teams the best it can based on a tiny sample of past performance" and then let the teams slug it out on the ice and see if they can live up to their ranking. Some existential analysis of who would have the best record if they played at full-strength all year is not a thing I care about outside of a sportsbook. You earn a spot in the postseason by winning and if you can't win because your starting center had knee surgery, tell it to your grandkids when they ask about the glory days.
Quote from: ugarte on November 06, 2025, 12:15:31 AMThe point of KRACH (or NPI) for this discussion is to select teams to play in a postseason tournament. For that, I don't want something predictive. I want something that "ranks teams the best it can
You do a fine job capturing a much-abused nuance of statistics: the difference between predictive and descriptive statistics. However, I cut you off before you got into sampling because sampling muddies the issue. Descriptive stats are based on as much prior data as we can get. Baseball Reference has every PA in every player's history. The point is to describe with as much precision as possible the data set. There is no pretense of predicting future results. This is what Pete Alonso did. The question of who Pete Alonso is shall be left to ontological philosophy.
Exactly as you said, the stats used to pick the NC$$ field capture what teams did to earn their place there. There is no pretense in predicting who will win. That is for the teams on the ice.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 06, 2025, 03:12:33 AMQuote from: ugarte on November 06, 2025, 12:15:31 AMThe point of KRACH (or NPI) for this discussion is to select teams to play in a postseason tournament. For that, I don't want something predictive. I want something that "ranks teams the best it can
You do a fine job capturing a much-abused nuance of statistics: the difference between predictive and descriptive statistics. However, I cut you off before you got into sampling because sampling muddies the issue. Descriptive stats are based on as much prior data as we can get. Baseball Reference has every PA in every player's history. The point is to describe with as much precision as possible the data set. There is no pretense of predicting future results. This is what Pete Alonso did. The question of who Pete Alonso is shall be left to ontological philosophy.
Exactly as you said, the stats used to pick the NC$$ field capture what teams did to earn their place there. There is no pretense in predicting who will win. That is for the teams on the ice.
Why on earth would you want to know who wins the game before it's played? Why watch? Why even play? The whole point is not knowing and experiencing the triumph or heartbreak- or back in the day the cold satisfaction of a tie- and the drama of the game itself?
Quote from: ugarte on November 06, 2025, 12:15:31 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 05, 2025, 08:55:34 PMBecause KRACH is trying to rank teams the best it can based on a tiny sample of past performance, it isn't trying to tell you who will come out on top in the future.
The point of KRACH (or NPI) for this discussion is to select teams to play in a postseason tournament. For that, I don't want something predictive. I want something that "ranks teams the best it can based on a tiny sample of past performance" and then let the teams slug it out on the ice and see if they can live up to their ranking.
And to the extent we want to debate what the "right" way to do that is, it's always going to be subjective choice about what the inputs are. As Adam said, the committee wants to incentivize teams to schedule road games by making those wins have a higher value. Because the committee feels that teams that all things being equal, a team that is willing to travel is more deserving a a spot in the tournament than a team that does not. And they think that the current weighting does a reasonable job of that. There are, of course, infinite ways to calibrate this incentive.
Most systems of selecting teams on objective criteria will put a team with a .900 winning percentage in the field. Just win and you're in. The debate is around what the appropriate criteria are for picking between three or four similar teams for the last couple of spots based on a body of work that's about 38 games and the degree to which the criteria need to be "accurate." Humans prioritize and the model reflects that priority. It will never be accurate because the sample size is too low and the game is too variable. It would otherwise be boring. The selection system needs to be objective, published in advance, and fairly reflect the stated priorities of the committee. Personally, I wouldn't hate a system that puts league regular season and tournament champions in the field and calls it a day. Will the "best" teams all make it? No. But people will argue that the "best" teams don't make it now either. Why should the fifth place team in NCHC who lost a first round playoff game play in the NCAA tournament anyway?
The gnashing of teeth around selection criteria and the relative closeness of teams ranked 5 and 12 or whatever, is part of why I remain in the neutral site NCAA camp. A team could host a tournament game because it had an extra road game because of the way its conference scheduled vs its opponent who had a home game instead or because its AD insisted on an extra home date to cover expenses at a small school? Neutral sites (in general) work to mitigate that issue.
Quote from: BearLover on November 05, 2025, 08:55:34 PMWell, I came to this forum to tell people about the fascinating podcast I just listened to on CHN, and what do I see?
Quote- leave it to BL to twist things around into oblivion, and if they don't fit into the narrowly defined specifications of his liking, then everyone must be terrible or doing something wrong or misleading people. No one is being misled. No one thinks they are being misled. As I said, they endlessly debate, with each other, what the right thing is. If 1.2/0.8 isn't working out, they'll change it. So far it's close enough. And if it was so easy to "game the system" by scheduling nothing but road games - why aren't teams doing it? Like I said, listen to the podcast.
Huh? I was, quite literally, misled. I thought home/away weighting was intended to be accurate. Why wouldn't I? The rankings are meant to do their best to capture the most deserving teams for the NCAAs, so obviously I would expect each of the components to serve that same purpose??? I would guess many others had the same misconception.
Quote- As for KRACH - saying it's not "remotely" a perfect measure, is silly (go figure). Where's John Whelan when I need him? It's actually - as far as I'm concerned (with some needed tweaks to what we publish) - the best method there is. Listen to Tim discuss this on the podcast, where he gives a counter-point to that, while also saying that, with enough data, it would be the best system.
But that's the key flaw, isn't it? There's nowhere near enough data. KRACH may be mathematically elegant and it may do the best job at ranking teams at the end of a short season based on past performance, but that is VERY different from accurately predicting future outcomes. There simply are nowhere near enough games in a season and most of them are intra-conference. If one were to build a betting model to predict college hockey games, it would look wildly different from KRACH. Obviously! Because KRACH is trying to rank teams the best it can based on a tiny sample of past performance, it isn't trying to tell you who will come out on top in the future.
Anyway, the podcast is great. I encourage everybody listen.
hmm - thanks ... heh. Sorry - didn't realize you were referring to KRACH in a future sense, because that was not the context of this conversation. It's OK to just admit you misspoke - because your doubling down to say you were referring to the future, is also silly, given that there is nothing that can predict the future, and nobody says it can. But it's something - and it's better than anything else. And that's all we have.
Glad I could clear up the misconceptions about the home/road weighting.
Quote from: Chris '03 on November 06, 2025, 08:25:08 AMThe gnashing of teeth around selection criteria and the relative closeness of teams ranked 5 and 12 or whatever, is part of why I remain in the neutral site NCAA camp. A team could host a tournament game because it had an extra road game because of the way its conference scheduled vs its opponent who had a home game instead or because its AD insisted on an extra home date to cover expenses at a small school? Neutral sites (in general) work to mitigate that issue.
Agreed. I've made this point about 5 bazillion times in recent years, including this podcast, and every "debate" with David Carle and others. People who are not very math savvy are making these decisions, and also making comments like "if the math is good enough to pick the teams, why not good enough to seed the teams for home ice," not realizing the inherent flaw in that logic. I would have a much easier and enjoyable time debating the topic, if people just admitted the math was far from perfect, and so there's no way to know how to seed teams 5-12 really, so giving 5-8 home ice advantage is a double whammy. And then just say you still want home-ice Regionals for other reasons. Don't try to defend the math of it. ... But alas that will apparently never sink in for many.
Just to clarify what I mean above—
KRACH (and the Pairwise, and the NPI) are built to pick the 16 teams most deserving of the NCAA tournament (and their order). That is a very different thing than a predictive model. KRACH may well be the best model we have at choosing NCAA teams, but it's not built to be predictive and shouldn't be used that way.
KRACH et al are mostly just a function of winning percentage and strength of schedule. As they should be, because that's how we should choose who has earned an NCAA bid. But you get absurd results when you extrapolate that to future performance. With a large enough, and representative enough, sample, this would start to even out, but in college hockey this isn't possible (because seasons are very short and teams only play a small subset of other teams).
You can't just plug in two teams' win% and SOS and try to predict which one will win. (Try doing that with college hockey games, you'd lose a ton of money.) There's wayyyyy too much luck and other factors that affect the tiny sample of games on which win% and SOS are based. Again, this is not a knock on KRACH-it's doing its job just fine. Its job is not to predict future performance.
Anyway, related to the above and also something I was wondering during the podcast—the guest mentioned that coaches and fans have put their faith in these models because its outputs seem acceptable. That is, we see the 16 teams the Pairwise spits out, they pass the smell test, we move on with our lives and don't question the model. But I'm wondering if anyone has ever made a more rigorous attempt to quantify if the model is picking teams properly. I'm not sure how this would look or if it's even possible, but it did strike me as a little spooky that all this time we've been entrusting a computer model whose outputs we don't even have a means of judging past "the smell test."
Quote from: BearLover on November 05, 2025, 08:55:34 PMWell, I came to this forum to tell people about the fascinating podcast I just listened to on CHN, and what do I see?
Quote- leave it to BL to twist things around into oblivion, and if they don't fit into the narrowly defined specifications of his liking, then everyone must be terrible or doing something wrong or misleading people. No one is being misled. No one thinks they are being misled. As I said, they endlessly debate, with each other, what the right thing is. If 1.2/0.8 isn't working out, they'll change it. So far it's close enough. And if it was so easy to "game the system" by scheduling nothing but road games - why aren't teams doing it? Like I said, listen to the podcast.
Huh? I was, quite literally, misled. I thought home/away weighting was intended to be accurate. Why wouldn't I? The rankings are meant to do their best to capture the most deserving teams for the NCAAs, so obviously I would expect each of the components to serve that same purpose??? I would guess many others had the same misconception.
You weren't misled, you made an assumption that wasn't accurate. The home ice formula has been discussed on this forum forever. Adam has explained the rational for getting large schools to move out a gazillion times. Large schools loved to play small schools at home to pad their record and pad their income. The powers that be didn't like that, so tried to do something about it.
If you weren't part of that discussion, then researching before assuming would be the correct approach.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on November 06, 2025, 10:49:40 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 05, 2025, 08:55:34 PMWell, I came to this forum to tell people about the fascinating podcast I just listened to on CHN, and what do I see?
Quote- leave it to BL to twist things around into oblivion, and if they don't fit into the narrowly defined specifications of his liking, then everyone must be terrible or doing something wrong or misleading people. No one is being misled. No one thinks they are being misled. As I said, they endlessly debate, with each other, what the right thing is. If 1.2/0.8 isn't working out, they'll change it. So far it's close enough. And if it was so easy to "game the system" by scheduling nothing but road games - why aren't teams doing it? Like I said, listen to the podcast.
Huh? I was, quite literally, misled. I thought home/away weighting was intended to be accurate. Why wouldn't I? The rankings are meant to do their best to capture the most deserving teams for the NCAAs, so obviously I would expect each of the components to serve that same purpose??? I would guess many others had the same misconception.
You weren't misled, you made an assumption that wasn't accurate. The home ice formula has been discussed on this forum forever. Adam has explained the rational for getting large schools to move out a gazillion times. Large schools loved to play small schools at home to pad their record and pad their income. The powers that be didn't like that, so tried to do something about it.
If you weren't part of that discussion, then researching before assuming would be the correct approach.
Yes, the entire disagreement at this point is over the use of the word "misleading." In any event, I would guess that most fans have the same misconception of the weighting that I had (that the idea is to reflect home ice advantage).
Quote from: BearLover on November 06, 2025, 11:07:40 AMQuote from: Jim Hyla on November 06, 2025, 10:49:40 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 05, 2025, 08:55:34 PMWell, I came to this forum to tell people about the fascinating podcast I just listened to on CHN, and what do I see?
Quote- leave it to BL to twist things around into oblivion, and if they don't fit into the narrowly defined specifications of his liking, then everyone must be terrible or doing something wrong or misleading people. No one is being misled. No one thinks they are being misled. As I said, they endlessly debate, with each other, what the right thing is. If 1.2/0.8 isn't working out, they'll change it. So far it's close enough. And if it was so easy to "game the system" by scheduling nothing but road games - why aren't teams doing it? Like I said, listen to the podcast.
Huh? I was, quite literally, misled. I thought home/away weighting was intended to be accurate. Why wouldn't I? The rankings are meant to do their best to capture the most deserving teams for the NCAAs, so obviously I would expect each of the components to serve that same purpose??? I would guess many others had the same misconception.
You weren't misled, you made an assumption that wasn't accurate. The home ice formula has been discussed on this forum forever. Adam has explained the rational for getting large schools to move out a gazillion times. Large schools loved to play small schools at home to pad their record and pad their income. The powers that be didn't like that, so tried to do something about it.
If you weren't part of that discussion, then researching before assuming would be the correct approach.
Yes, the entire disagreement at this point is over the use of the word "misleading." In any event, I would guess that most fans have the same misconception of the weighting that I had (that the idea is to reflect home ice advantage).
Misconception means you had the wrong idea.
Being misled implies that someone was actually leading you in that direction. That your misconception was due to others.
Misinterpreting means you made an assumption that was incorrect. So your misconception was due to your own misinterpretation.
Unless you can show where you were led astray, I think that you misinterpreted and weren't misled.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 06, 2025, 03:12:33 AMQuote from: ugarte on November 06, 2025, 12:15:31 AMThe point of KRACH (or NPI) for this discussion is to select teams to play in a postseason tournament. For that, I don't want something predictive. I want something that "ranks teams the best it can
You do a fine job capturing a much-abused nuance of statistics: the difference between predictive and descriptive statistics. However, I cut you off before you got into sampling because sampling muddies the issue.
ftr i phrased it the way i did because it was a direct quote from bearlover. if a small sample is the best we've got - as he believes, and tbh i figure is probably correct yet still MUCH better than what football has to work with - then that's the data we use. KRACH appears to be the best for the job (and i think everyone here generally agrees) under the circumstances.
i have no opinion on H/A weighting!
As the one who brought up krach, I can say that no one realized what I was asking.
I was trying to ask Adam if he could recalculate the historic home advantage with a krach adjustment. He had given us the actual numbers from past season(s) as a measure of the "true" home advantage in terms of wins.
I thought that the historic evaluation would be more meaningful if krach adjusted to show us how much home advantage there really is historically.
Adam- would still like to see a krach adjusted home advantage (calculating the advantage each game depending on opponent) and see how much it diverges from the simple star you gave.
I'm not suggesting we krachify the home road weights for noon this way.
BL, we all know you hate krach, but Adam is correct that if you want to compare teams based on records to date, there is no better model, and this one has no arbitrary weights in it. Also, JTW would have to confirm this, but that model wasn't developed to pick tournament teams. It was a mathematical model that they thought was the best way of quantifying relative team strength based on games played. Some did as ocate for that to be used for selection, but pretty sure it wasn't developed for that reason.
And again to BL, I was not looking for a future projection. I wanted a statistical evaluation of the historical expected performance. Consider it like xG, only it's xHW.
Quote from: abmarks on November 06, 2025, 07:56:41 PMBL, we all know you hate krach, but Adam is correct that if you want to compare teams based on records to date, there is no better model, and this one has no arbitrary weights in it. Also, JTW would have to confirm this, but that model wasn't developed to pick tournament teams. It was a mathematical model that they thought was the best way of quantifying relative team strength based on games played. Some did as ocate for that to be used for selection, but pretty sure it wasn't developed for that reason.
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I have never said anything bad about KRACH. It's just not meant to be predictive and shouldn't be used to make predictions.
We all seem to be talking past each other here. The Venn diagrams of what people want strongly overlap. The divergence of how people characterize what each candidate system does are due to differences in information and understanding of the math. I only listen to Whelan. The rest of us are toddlers defacing differential equations with crayon.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on November 06, 2025, 02:01:04 PMMisconception means you had the wrong idea.
Being misled implies that someone was actually leading you in that direction. That your misconception was due to others.
Misinterpreting means you made an assumption that was incorrect. So your misconception was due to your own misinterpretation.
Unless you can show where you were led astray, I think that you misinterpreted and weren't misled.
for some people to admit this, would actually require an iota of humility. So - don't hold your breath.
Quote from: BearLover on November 06, 2025, 10:48:12 AMJust to clarify what I mean above—
KRACH (and the Pairwise, and the NPI) are built to pick the 16 teams most deserving of the NCAA tournament (and their order). That is a very different thing than a predictive model. KRACH may well be the best model we have at choosing NCAA teams, but it's not built to be predictive and shouldn't be used that way.
KRACH et al are mostly just a function of winning percentage and strength of schedule. As they should be, because that's how we should choose who has earned an NCAA bid. But you get absurd results when you extrapolate that to future performance. With a large enough, and representative enough, sample, this would start to even out, but in college hockey this isn't possible (because seasons are very short and teams only play a small subset of other teams).
You can't just plug in two teams' win% and SOS and try to predict which one will win. (Try doing that with college hockey games, you'd lose a ton of money.) There's wayyyyy too much luck and other factors that affect the tiny sample of games on which win% and SOS are based. Again, this is not a knock on KRACH-it's doing its job just fine. Its job is not to predict future performance.
You continue to make a really odd assertion that we (I) don't seem to know this. We're not curing cancer dude. Our Probability Matrix, which I assume you refer to, is just for poops and giggles. That said, it does provide some utility, because it plays out the schedule based on who wins and loses, including conference tournament brackets. That could get pretty complicating to do by hand. Ergo - SOMETHING has to be used to pick the winner of each game. Thus KRACH. And with 10,000 simulations, it gives people an idea.
No one - ever - claimed that KRACH was some magic potion that predicted the future. You're arguing straw men.
This is also why myself - and others - have been working on using better models, with KRACH as the starting point. But we all have other lives, and it's not easy. There's also no sense of urgency, because the state of the world won't change based upon whether our Matrix is improved.
Other sites have simply taken all the possible win/loss combinations and played things out. Our Matrix decided to do Monte Carlo simulations instead, which allowed us to play out the season much further in advance. That's pretty much it. And I never claimed otherwise.
Quote from: BearLover on November 06, 2025, 10:48:12 AMAnyway, related to the above and also something I was wondering during the podcast—the guest mentioned that coaches and fans have put their faith in these models because its outputs seem acceptable. That is, we see the 16 teams the Pairwise spits out, they pass the smell test, we move on with our lives and don't question the model. But I'm wondering if anyone has ever made a more rigorous attempt to quantify if the model is picking teams properly. I'm not sure how this would look or if it's even possible, but it did strike me as a little spooky that all this time we've been entrusting a computer model whose outputs we don't even have a means of judging past "the smell test."
Decided to split this up into two answers.
I mean, how it would like, can go a million different ways, and I think anyone close to it, does all sorts of tests to tinker around with what it would mean if this was tweaked or that was tweaked. Certainly the Committee/Tim Danehy do. But there is no god-like answer, so I don't even know how you'd answer that question. On what basis would you judge?
Quote from: abmarks on November 06, 2025, 07:56:41 PMI was trying to ask Adam if he could recalculate the historic home advantage with a krach adjustment. He had given us the actual numbers from past season(s) as a measure of the "true" home advantage in terms of wins.
I thought that the historic evaluation would be more meaningful if krach adjusted to show us how much home advantage there really is historically.
It takes me 30 seconds to run a query on the database to get winners of home and road games. It takes many times longer than that to do what you're asking :)
To return to our opponents, despite taking the last four penalties of the game Yale came from two goals down to beat Q 4-2 tonight!
Quote from: Trotsky on November 07, 2025, 09:40:26 PMTo return to our opponents, despite taking the last four penalties of the game Yale came from two goals down to beat Q 4-2 tonight!
I'm pretty sure that was Yale's first win against Q since the championship game in 2013
Quote from: Iceberg on November 07, 2025, 09:52:15 PMQuote from: Trotsky on November 07, 2025, 09:40:26 PMTo return to our opponents, despite taking the last four penalties of the game Yale came from two goals down to beat Q 4-2 tonight!
I'm pretty sure that was Yale's first win against Q since the championship game in 2013
Feb 2018 they said on the broadcast.
I'm not sure which message to reply to, and I don't have time to wade into the discussion at the moment, except to remind Adam that we actually implemented a version of KRACH that automatically fit the home-ice advantage, which we called KASA. ("KRACH Adjusted for Site Advantage", a backronym which Ken Butler helped us construct.)
Also, a previous debate on the eLF did lead to a paper entitled "Prediction and Evaluation in College Hockey Using the Bradley-Terry-Zermelo Model": https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.04226
RPI with their second win of the season stuns Clarkson who was relying on their backup goalie. 5-1.
My almost 3 year old grandson's first 2 periods watching NCAA Hockey.
Claimed he liked the puck drop but I think he liked playing with the chairs and watching the Zambonis.
Does RPI's 5-1 victory over Clarkson not count because CHN thinks the game will start at 7 PM? ;)
Somewhere in all the yelling Adam pointed out that the heavier home/road weighting helps incentivize big teams to play small teams on the road sometimes rather than just say, "we're [insert traditional powerhouse], you gotta come to us if you want to play us."
That's a good enough reason for me to be okay with it.
Quote from: Dafatone on November 08, 2025, 06:28:23 PMSomewhere in all the yelling Adam pointed out that the heavier home/road weighting helps incentivize big teams to play small teams on the road sometimes rather than just say, "we're [insert traditional powerhouse], you gotta come to us if you want to play us."
That's a good enough reason for me to be okay with it.
But I'm thinking this should only be used during inter-league play. I guess the powers wouldn't consider a different multiplier during league matchups.
Quote from: marty on November 08, 2025, 06:17:37 PMRPI with their second win of the season stuns Clarkson who was relying on their backup goalie. 5-1.
My almost 3 year old grandson's first 2 periods watching NCAA Hockey.
Claimed he liked the puck drop but I think he liked playing with the chairs and watching the Zambonis.
To be fair, you are never too old to like watching the Zambonis.
Quote from: adamw on November 07, 2025, 06:54:18 PMQuote from: Jim Hyla on November 06, 2025, 02:01:04 PMMisconception means you had the wrong idea.
Being misled implies that someone was actually leading you in that direction. That your misconception was due to others.
Misinterpreting means you made an assumption that was incorrect. So your misconception was due to your own misinterpretation.
Unless you can show where you were led astray, I think that you misinterpreted and weren't misled.
for some people to admit this, would actually require an iota of humility. So - don't hold your breath.
Pretty childish tbh. Usually once you hit adulthood you learn to attack the argument, not the person making it. I guess not in everyone's case though.
Quote from: adamw on November 07, 2025, 06:59:52 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 06, 2025, 10:48:12 AMJust to clarify what I mean above—
KRACH (and the Pairwise, and the NPI) are built to pick the 16 teams most deserving of the NCAA tournament (and their order). That is a very different thing than a predictive model. KRACH may well be the best model we have at choosing NCAA teams, but it's not built to be predictive and shouldn't be used that way.
KRACH et al are mostly just a function of winning percentage and strength of schedule. As they should be, because that's how we should choose who has earned an NCAA bid. But you get absurd results when you extrapolate that to future performance. With a large enough, and representative enough, sample, this would start to even out, but in college hockey this isn't possible (because seasons are very short and teams only play a small subset of other teams).
You can't just plug in two teams' win% and SOS and try to predict which one will win. (Try doing that with college hockey games, you'd lose a ton of money.) There's wayyyyy too much luck and other factors that affect the tiny sample of games on which win% and SOS are based. Again, this is not a knock on KRACH-it's doing its job just fine. Its job is not to predict future performance.
You continue to make a really odd assertion that we (I) don't seem to know this. We're not curing cancer dude. Our Probability Matrix, which I assume you refer to, is just for poops and giggles. That said, it does provide some utility, because it plays out the schedule based on who wins and loses, including conference tournament brackets. That could get pretty complicating to do by hand. Ergo - SOMETHING has to be used to pick the winner of each game. Thus KRACH. And with 10,000 simulations, it gives people an idea.
No one - ever - claimed that KRACH was some magic potion that predicted the future. You're arguing straw men.
This is also why myself - and others - have been working on using better models, with KRACH as the starting point. But we all have other lives, and it's not easy. There's also no sense of urgency, because the state of the world won't change based upon whether our Matrix is improved.
Other sites have simply taken all the possible win/loss combinations and played things out. Our Matrix decided to do Monte Carlo simulations instead, which allowed us to play out the season much further in advance. That's pretty much it. And I never claimed otherwise.
Actually I was not at all referring to the matrix, which I've said enough about. I was referring to abmarks wanting to use KRACH to determine how much a team "should" win absent home-ice advantage.
I wonder when the last time was Dartmouth was the highest ranking team in the polls from the ECAC. Early 60s I would guess. Eddie Jeremiah. https://www.ushockeyhall.com/page/show/3003325-edward-jeremiah
Not that they will be this week, though they should certainly be in the teens and ahead of us.
#20 this week (https://x.com/USCHO/status/1987932887467856094?s=20) in the polls. Dartmouth at 19.
Quote from: BearLover on November 09, 2025, 07:45:22 PMQuote from: adamw on November 07, 2025, 06:54:18 PMQuote from: Jim Hyla on November 06, 2025, 02:01:04 PMMisconception means you had the wrong idea.
Being misled implies that someone was actually leading you in that direction. That your misconception was due to others.
Misinterpreting means you made an assumption that was incorrect. So your misconception was due to your own misinterpretation.
Unless you can show where you were led astray, I think that you misinterpreted and weren't misled.
for some people to admit this, would actually require an iota of humility. So - don't hold your breath.
Pretty childish tbh. Usually once you hit adulthood you learn to attack the argument, not the person making it. I guess not in everyone's case though.
This is an honest question, BL. Does it give you pause that you get in fights with EVERYONE on this forum?
I get in fights fairly frequently with 2 people, and just that makes me assume I am the problem and makes me try to really cool it down and play nicer. Sorry, ugarte.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 10, 2025, 04:23:08 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 09, 2025, 07:45:22 PMQuote from: adamw on November 07, 2025, 06:54:18 PMQuote from: Jim Hyla on November 06, 2025, 02:01:04 PMMisconception means you had the wrong idea.
Being misled implies that someone was actually leading you in that direction. That your misconception was due to others.
Misinterpreting means you made an assumption that was incorrect. So your misconception was due to your own misinterpretation.
Unless you can show where you were led astray, I think that you misinterpreted and weren't misled.
for some people to admit this, would actually require an iota of humility. So - don't hold your breath.
Pretty childish tbh. Usually once you hit adulthood you learn to attack the argument, not the person making it. I guess not in everyone's case though.
This is an honest question, BL. Does it give you pause that you get in fights with EVERYONE on this forum?
Far from everyone, but yes, a lot more than most. It gives me slight pause but seems too difficult to correct at this point. I usually only post when I disagree strongly enough with what others are saying (if I'm just agreeing with the masses, doesn't really seem worth posting). I've actually tried to temper this impulse, but I've noticed a lot of people reading negativity or criticism into my posts when there isn't any. For example, adamw thought my post in this thread was about him, a bunch of people thought my call for Casey to use the transfer portal was a criticism of Schafer, somebody interpreted my point that $400 season tickets is a lot for locals as coming from a place of extreme privilege and ignorance. Many such cases. For every one of my nine positive or neutral posts there's one negative post, but the nine are forgotten while the one is confirmation bias.
It is what it is. I'm gonna keep posting my thoughts. I'm not trying to provoke people but I'm also not trying to win a popularity contest.
The coaching staff blew it by not bringing in Pelletier this season.
Wow.
Quote from: The Rancor on November 11, 2025, 12:10:25 AMWow.
I should have also mentioned that a lot of the time I'm trolling but somehow taken seriously.
Quote from: BearLover on November 11, 2025, 01:44:21 AMQuote from: The Rancor on November 11, 2025, 12:10:25 AMWow.
I should have also mentioned that a lot of the time I'm trolling but somehow taken seriously.
You need a better hobby.
Quote from: BearLover on November 11, 2025, 01:44:21 AMQuote from: The Rancor on November 11, 2025, 12:10:25 AMWow.
I should have also mentioned that a lot of the time I'm trolling but somehow taken seriously.
51 across in today's (11-11-2025) WSJ crossword.
Quote from: marty on November 11, 2025, 10:22:30 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 11, 2025, 01:44:21 AMQuote from: The Rancor on November 11, 2025, 12:10:25 AMWow.
I should have also mentioned that a lot of the time I'm trolling but somehow taken seriously.
51 across in today's (11-11-2025) WSJ crossword.
i think it was in the NYT this past week too
Quote from: BearLover on November 11, 2025, 01:44:21 AMQuote from: The Rancor on November 11, 2025, 12:10:25 AMWow.
I should have also mentioned that a lot of the time I'm trolling but somehow taken seriously.
IMHO, FWIW, when you post straight
without trolling your observations about games, and in particular your observations about our recruiting and our prospects' performance for their pre-Cornell teams, are
excellent. You have a lot to contribute. But, much like me, when you try to be funny you miss, and when you provide criticism you have a lead foot and/or embarrass yourself. Nobody asked me, but if you stick to matters of fact you are a high value contributor. If your intent with criticism is to provide clarity you are washing windows with bricks.
Mostly I suppose I just miss being unquestionably the most unnecessarily caustic prick here. It was all I had, man. Don't take that from me.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 11, 2025, 02:42:29 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 11, 2025, 01:44:21 AMQuote from: The Rancor on November 11, 2025, 12:10:25 AMWow.
I should have also mentioned that a lot of the time I'm trolling but somehow taken seriously.
IMHO, FWIW, when you post straight without trolling your observations about games, and in particular your observations about our recruiting and our prospects' performance for their pre-Cornell teams, are excellent. You have a lot to contribute. But, much like me, when you try to be funny you miss, and when you provide criticism you tend to veer into ad hom and/or embarrass yourself. Nobody asked me, but if you stick to matters of fact you are a high value contributor. If your intent is provide clarity then you are washing our windows with bricks.
Mostly I suppose I just miss being unquestionably the most unnecessarily caustic prick here. It was all I had, man. Don't take that from me.
I feel like someone had you (and BL) beat about 15 years ago, but I'm not certain on the name details.
Quote from: Dafatone on November 11, 2025, 02:44:12 PMQuote from: Trotsky on November 11, 2025, 02:42:29 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 11, 2025, 01:44:21 AMQuote from: The Rancor on November 11, 2025, 12:10:25 AMWow.
I should have also mentioned that a lot of the time I'm trolling but somehow taken seriously.
IMHO, FWIW, when you post straight without trolling your observations about games, and in particular your observations about our recruiting and our prospects' performance for their pre-Cornell teams, are excellent. You have a lot to contribute. But, much like me, when you try to be funny you miss, and when you provide criticism you tend to veer into ad hom and/or embarrass yourself. Nobody asked me, but if you stick to matters of fact you are a high value contributor. If your intent is provide clarity then you are washing our windows with bricks.
Mostly I suppose I just miss being unquestionably the most unnecessarily caustic prick here. It was all I had, man. Don't take that from me.
I feel like someone had you (and BL) beat about 15 years ago, but I'm not certain on the name details.
He Who Shall Not Be Named is without doubt the all-time PPG leader for sheer offensiveness. I would like to think it was the alter ego of one of our more gentle posters. That would give me great joy.
QU is up 3-0 on BU and it doesn't even look like the two teams are in the same stratosphere with the way that game is going
Quote from: Iceberg on November 15, 2025, 04:45:50 PMQU is up 3-0 on BU and it doesn't even look like the two teams are in the same stratosphere with the way that game is going
Two minutes into the second period, the live box has Q outshooting BU 27-8. What has happened to BU this year?
And can it please continue for two more weeks?
Quote from: Iceberg on November 15, 2025, 04:45:50 PMQU is up 3-0 on BU and it doesn't even look like the two teams are in the same stratosphere with the way that game is going
Jesus.
ECAC 4-0 non con today. Up to .475 on the season. Even though Omaha, BU and Alaska don't look like the teams we probably hoped they would be when we scheduled them, we have a fighting chance for an at large bid thanks to the conference turning it on a bit.
Quote from: chimpfood on November 15, 2025, 10:37:07 PMECAC 4-0 non con today. Up to .475 on the season. Even though Omaha, BU and Alaska don't look like the teams we probably hoped they would be when we scheduled them, we have a fighting chance for an at large bid thanks to the conference turning it on a bit.
Well, we haven't played those teams yet so if they suck and we beat them, then whatever. UMass is a more concerning to me, we already split with them and they were swept by BC this weekend. I hope they're actually good.
Clarkson starting to struggle now that Casey's recruits are gone? Hmm...
Quote from: BearLover on November 15, 2025, 10:40:27 PMQuote from: chimpfood on November 15, 2025, 10:37:07 PMECAC 4-0 non con today. Up to .475 on the season. Even though Omaha, BU and Alaska don't look like the teams we probably hoped they would be when we scheduled them, we have a fighting chance for an at large bid thanks to the conference turning it on a bit.
Well, we haven't played those teams yet so if they suck and we beat them, then whatever. UMass is a more concerning to me, we already split with them and they were swept by BC this weekend. I hope they're actually good.
Clarkson starting to struggle now that Casey's recruits are gone? Hmm...
Hmmmmmmm.
Also, Omaha is outperforming expectations. They just had a stretch of SUPER high level games. Don't count them out.
BU - defense has forgotten how to defend. Team is imploding a little. As a BU mild enthusiast I hate to see it, as a Cornell fan HELL yes.
Alaska... have not been keeping track tbh.
Quote from: stereax on November 15, 2025, 10:45:31 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 15, 2025, 10:40:27 PMQuote from: chimpfood on November 15, 2025, 10:37:07 PMECAC 4-0 non con today. Up to .475 on the season. Even though Omaha, BU and Alaska don't look like the teams we probably hoped they would be when we scheduled them, we have a fighting chance for an at large bid thanks to the conference turning it on a bit.
Well, we haven't played those teams yet so if they suck and we beat them, then whatever. UMass is a more concerning to me, we already split with them and they were swept by BC this weekend. I hope they're actually good.
Clarkson starting to struggle now that Casey's recruits are gone? Hmm...
Hmmmmmmm.
Also, Omaha is outperforming expectations. They just had a stretch of SUPER high level games. Don't count them out.
BU - defense has forgotten how to defend. Team is imploding a little. As a BU mild enthusiast I hate to see it, as a Cornell fan HELL yes.
Alaska... have not been keeping track tbh.
UNO got a nice win over Duluth tonight.
Quote from: ugarte on November 15, 2025, 11:06:04 PMQuote from: stereax on November 15, 2025, 10:45:31 PMAs a BU mild enthusiast ...
what the
Unfortunately I have been inflicted with BU Friends as well as My NHL Team's Goalie Is There. So I can't hate them. As much as I try :(
Quote from: scoop85 on November 15, 2025, 11:02:52 PMQuote from: stereax on November 15, 2025, 10:45:31 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 15, 2025, 10:40:27 PMQuote from: chimpfood on November 15, 2025, 10:37:07 PMECAC 4-0 non con today. Up to .475 on the season. Even though Omaha, BU and Alaska don't look like the teams we probably hoped they would be when we scheduled them, we have a fighting chance for an at large bid thanks to the conference turning it on a bit.
Well, we haven't played those teams yet so if they suck and we beat them, then whatever. UMass is a more concerning to me, we already split with them and they were swept by BC this weekend. I hope they're actually good.
Clarkson starting to struggle now that Casey's recruits are gone? Hmm...
Hmmmmmmm.
Also, Omaha is outperforming expectations. They just had a stretch of SUPER high level games. Don't count them out.
BU - defense has forgotten how to defend. Team is imploding a little. As a BU mild enthusiast I hate to see it, as a Cornell fan HELL yes.
Alaska... have not been keeping track tbh.
UNO got a nice win over Duluth tonight.
As I said... UNO is sneaky good rn.
If we're playing UNO at Lynah this year, will we be going to UNO next year?
Because I can actually get to Omaha. Last time we were there, the Nebraskans did not appreciate it when I yelled "red" during the anthem.
Early on it looks like 5 teams fighting for 4 byes: Dartmouth, Cornell, Harvard, Union, Quinnipiac.
Our abbreviated schedule:
11/07 W @ Hvd
11/08 L @ Drt
11/21 Uni
01/17 Qpc
01/23 Drt
01/24 Hvd
02/14 @ Uni
02/20 @ Qpc
Cause she knows that
It's demandin'
To defeat those evil machines
I know she can beat them
Quote from: jtwcornell91 on November 08, 2025, 12:22:35 AMI'm not sure which message to reply to, and I don't have time to wade into the discussion at the moment, except to remind Adam that we actually implemented a version of KRACH that automatically fit the home-ice advantage, which we called KASA. ("KRACH Adjusted for Site Advantage", a backronym which Ken Butler helped us construct.)
Also, a previous debate on the eLF did lead to a paper entitled "Prediction and Evaluation in College Hockey Using the Bradley-Terry-Zermelo Model": https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.04226
well aware on both counts
Stonehill played an exhibition game last night against Grand Canyon University. GCU is a Thumper degree mill within walking distance of my house. It's where my daughter got her Education MA. They have heavy Liberty / Quinnipiac vibes, using sports to raise their profile quickly. Academics optional.
I hope they go D1. Along with ASU we can make Phoenix the western college hockey hub.
https://gcuclubsports.com/sports/mhockeyd1/schedule
Edit: Ignore all this. USCHO keyed in the wrong code for Stonehill's opponent. It was UAA. Emily Litella regrets the error.
Fun fact: Cornell leads the Ivies with 9 points. Alone in 2nd with 6 is... Brown.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 21, 2025, 09:31:26 PMFun fact: Cornell leads the Ivies with 9 points. Alone in 2nd with 6 is... Brown.
Damn, not Dartmouth?
Oops
Quote from: stereax on November 21, 2025, 10:24:00 PMQuote from: Trotsky on November 21, 2025, 09:31:26 PMFun fact: Cornell leads the Ivies with 9 points. Alone in 2nd with 6 is... Brown.
Damn, not Dartmouth?
Dartmouth is 1-0. Cornell is 3-1. Brown could be 3-1 tomorrow.
Quote from: Chris '03 on November 21, 2025, 10:43:45 PMQuote from: stereax on November 21, 2025, 10:24:00 PMQuote from: Trotsky on November 21, 2025, 09:31:26 PMFun fact: Cornell leads the Ivies with 9 points. Alone in 2nd with 6 is... Brown.
Damn, not Dartmouth?
Dartmouth is 1-0. Cornell is 3-1. Brown could be 3-1 tomorrow.
Ah, interIvy play. Gotcha.
http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/ivy_2026.html
Quote from: Trotsky on November 22, 2025, 12:05:23 AMhttp://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/ivy_2026.html
Row 5 for Dartmouth is incorrect. That should be a home game
Quote from: Iceberg on November 22, 2025, 01:13:32 AMQuote from: Trotsky on November 22, 2025, 12:05:23 AMhttp://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/ivy_2026.html
Row 5 for Dartmouth is incorrect. That should be a home game
Corrected. Thank you!
Harvard up 3-1 at Vermont after 1. UVM defense is unimpressive and prone to giveaways
Quote from: Iceberg on November 22, 2025, 06:42:23 PMHarvard up 3-1 at Vermont after 1. UVM defense is unimpressive and prone to giveaways
Harvard won, helping the conference in NC play some more.
Unsure how Playoff Odds calculates its NCAA metrics but (1) they are broken and (2) they are funny (https://www.playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournseedprob.html).
1. Dartmouth
2. Cornell
3. Harvard
6. Princeton
8. Brown
10. Quinnipiac
16. Union
Quote from: Trotsky on November 22, 2025, 10:02:33 PMQuote from: Iceberg on November 22, 2025, 06:42:23 PMHarvard up 3-1 at Vermont after 1. UVM defense is unimpressive and prone to giveaways
Harvard won, helping the conference in NC play some more.
If the uvm defense was unimpressive, that doesn't say much for Harvard's offense. 5 goals, but they had only 14 shots total, 7/4/3 by period.
Location, location, location.
ECAC NC games over the Thanksgiving break. Go <various ECAC teams>!
11/25 Quinnipiac hosts Holy Cross
11/25 Colgate at Michigan State
11/27 Union vs Sacred Heart at Belfast in the "Friendship Four"
11/27 RPI at Niagara
11/27 Yale hosts UNO
11/27 Princeton at Bowling Green
11/27 Clarkson vs Lowell at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/27 St. Lawrence vs Alaska-Fairbanks at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/28 Union vs RIT or Miami at Belfast in the "Friendship Four"
11/28 Clarkson vs Alaska-Fairbanks at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/28 St. Lawrence vs Lowell at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/28 Quinnipiac hosts Stonehill
11/28 Dartmouth hosts Merrimack
11/28 Brown at Northeastern
11/28 RPI at Niagara
11/28 Princeton at Bowling Green
11/28 Harvard hosts Michigan
11/28 Yale hosts UNO
11/28 Cornell vs BU at MSG
Quote from: Trotsky on November 23, 2025, 03:12:35 PMECAC NC games over the Thanksgiving break. Go <various ECAC teams>!
11/25 Quinnipiac hosts Holy Cross
11/25 Colgate at Michigan State
11/27 Union vs Sacred Heart at Belfast in the "Friendship Four"
11/27 RPI at Niagara
11/27 Yale hosts UNO
11/27 Princeton at Bowling Green
11/27 Clarkson vs Lowell at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/27 St. Lawrence vs Alaska-Fairbanks at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/28 Union vs RIT or Miami at Belfast in the "Friendship Four"
11/28 Clarkson vs Alaska-Fairbanks at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/28 St. Lawrence vs Lowell at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/28 Quinnipiac hosts Stonehill
11/28 Dartmouth hosts Merrimack
11/28 Brown at Northeastern
11/28 RPI at Niagara
11/28 Princeton at Bowling Green
11/28 Harvard hosts Michigan
11/28 Yale hosts UNO
11/28 Cornell vs BU at MSG
I didn't realize Michigan was playing at Harvard. I recall that Michigan is notorious for not agreeing to reciprocate visits and they didn't play in Ann Arbor last season.
Quote from: scoop85 on November 23, 2025, 03:40:16 PMI didn't realize Michigan was playing at Harvard. I recall that Michigan is notorious for not agreeing to reciprocate visits and they didn't play in Ann Arbor last season.
They seem to like Massachusetts. They played two at BU last year and two at UMass the year before that.
Both Harvard and BU went to Ann Arbor in fall of 2022.
Quote from: scoop85 on November 23, 2025, 03:40:16 PMI didn't realize Michigan was playing at Harvard. I recall that Michigan is notorious for not agreeing to reciprocate visits and they didn't play in Ann Arbor last season.
new regime
Quote from: adamw on November 24, 2025, 12:32:52 PMQuote from: scoop85 on November 23, 2025, 03:40:16 PMI didn't realize Michigan was playing at Harvard. I recall that Michigan is notorious for not agreeing to reciprocate visits and they didn't play in Ann Arbor last season.
new regime
Also, much easier travel since Bright is a short ride from Logan airport. Easy in and out
Crazy game at Quinnipiac today, as the bad guys win 7-6 over Holy Cross in OT after blowing a 3-goal lead in the final 6 minutes. Holy Cross scored five goals in the third period and Q scored three. A player on HC, DeBoer, who had four goals all season, had a natural hat trick in the third period.
Sadly, HC couldn't convert on a point-blank show in OT and a few minutes later Q finished off a 2-on-1.
That game really boned Matej Marinov, Q's goalie who had won the starting job this year after two statistically excellent seasons as their backup.
Aká škoda.
Quote from: dbilmes on November 26, 2025, 07:33:42 PMCrazy game at Quinnipiac today, as the bad guys win 7-6 over Holy Cross in OT after blowing a 3-goal lead in the final 6 minutes. Holy Cross scored five goals in the third period and Q scored three. A player on HC, DeBoer, who had four goals all season, had a natural hat trick in the third period.
Sadly, HC couldn't convert on a point-blank show in OT and a few minutes later Q finished off a 2-on-1.
Still a bad result for Q. It's only .48 of a win (.6 for OT x .8 for home ice) against a team that will likely finish poorly in the NPI.
Quote from: BearLover on November 27, 2025, 10:39:23 PMQuote from: dbilmes on November 26, 2025, 07:33:42 PMCrazy game at Quinnipiac today, as the bad guys win 7-6 over Holy Cross in OT after blowing a 3-goal lead in the final 6 minutes. Holy Cross scored five goals in the third period and Q scored three. A player on HC, DeBoer, who had four goals all season, had a natural hat trick in the third period.
Sadly, HC couldn't convert on a point-blank show in OT and a few minutes later Q finished off a 2-on-1.
Still a bad result for Q. It's only .48 of a win (.6 for OT x .8 for home ice) against a team that will likely finish poorly in the NPI.
.5 of a win I believe, the home/road weightings don't count for OT I think
Quote from: chimpfood on November 27, 2025, 10:58:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 27, 2025, 10:39:23 PMQuote from: dbilmes on November 26, 2025, 07:33:42 PMCrazy game at Quinnipiac today, as the bad guys win 7-6 over Holy Cross in OT after blowing a 3-goal lead in the final 6 minutes. Holy Cross scored five goals in the third period and Q scored three. A player on HC, DeBoer, who had four goals all season, had a natural hat trick in the third period.
Sadly, HC couldn't convert on a point-blank show in OT and a few minutes later Q finished off a 2-on-1.
Still a bad result for Q. It's only .48 of a win (.6 for OT x .8 for home ice) against a team that will likely finish poorly in the NPI.
.5 of a win I believe, the home/road weightings don't count for OT I think
Oh, I remember hearing that too. .6 of a win then, right?
Quote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 08:52:01 AMQuote from: chimpfood on November 27, 2025, 10:58:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 27, 2025, 10:39:23 PMQuote from: dbilmes on November 26, 2025, 07:33:42 PMCrazy game at Quinnipiac today, as the bad guys win 7-6 over Holy Cross in OT after blowing a 3-goal lead in the final 6 minutes. Holy Cross scored five goals in the third period and Q scored three. A player on HC, DeBoer, who had four goals all season, had a natural hat trick in the third period.
Sadly, HC couldn't convert on a point-blank show in OT and a few minutes later Q finished off a 2-on-1.
Still a bad result for Q. It's only .48 of a win (.6 for OT x .8 for home ice) against a team that will likely finish poorly in the NPI.
.5 of a win I believe, the home/road weightings don't count for OT I think
Oh, I remember hearing that too. .6 of a win then, right?
I think they get .4 of a win for the regulation tie (0.8 times 0.5), plus 0.1 for the OT win which is excluded from home/road weights. But Adam please correct me if I'm wrong
Dartmouth up 4-2 on Vermont after 1. Not that Vermont is particularly good, but this Dart team might be better than we were expecting.
Michigan up 1-0 at Lynah East, which looks a lot like Yost East given the number of people wearing maize and blue in the crowd
Quote from: Iceberg on November 28, 2025, 07:21:17 PMMichigan up 1-0 at Lynah East, which looks a lot like Yost East given the number of people wearing maize and blue in the crowd
Omaha-Yale tied at 1. Looks like a ghost town at Yale's barn.
Quote from: stereax on November 28, 2025, 07:24:45 PMQuote from: Iceberg on November 28, 2025, 07:21:17 PMMichigan up 1-0 at Lynah East, which looks a lot like Yost East given the number of people wearing maize and blue in the crowd
Omaha-Yale tied at 1. Looks like a ghost town at Yale's barn.
Was hoping for better earlier, but at this point I'd take a .500 day from the ECAC vs. OOC.
Quote from: andyw2100 on November 28, 2025, 07:42:32 PMQuote from: stereax on November 28, 2025, 07:24:45 PMQuote from: Iceberg on November 28, 2025, 07:21:17 PMMichigan up 1-0 at Lynah East, which looks a lot like Yost East given the number of people wearing maize and blue in the crowd
Omaha-Yale tied at 1. Looks like a ghost town at Yale's barn.
Was hoping for better earlier, but at this point I'd take a .500 day from the ECAC vs. OOC.
RPI beat Niagara 4-1. First time I can say "Niagara Falls!" for an away game.
Michigan pretty much in full control now at 4-0. Hilarious to hear the very audible Michigan fans singing after each goal. Ben Robertson also playing many minutes including on both special teams
Quote from: Iceberg on November 28, 2025, 08:49:36 PMMichigan pretty much in full control now at 4-0. Hilarious to hear the very audible Michigan fans singing after each goal. Ben Robertson also playing many minutes including on both special teams
Hell yeah. Fuck Harvard, and good for Robertson. Just goes to show you can take the player out of the Big Red, but you sure can't take the Big Red out of the player.
Quote from: ursusminor on November 28, 2025, 08:22:09 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on November 28, 2025, 07:42:32 PMQuote from: stereax on November 28, 2025, 07:24:45 PMQuote from: Iceberg on November 28, 2025, 07:21:17 PMMichigan up 1-0 at Lynah East, which looks a lot like Yost East given the number of people wearing maize and blue in the crowd
Omaha-Yale tied at 1. Looks like a ghost town at Yale's barn.
Was hoping for better earlier, but at this point I'd take a .500 day from the ECAC vs. OOC.
RPI beat Niagara 4-1. First time I can say "Niagara Falls!" for an away game.
Slowly I turned...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KpsUlvzbkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYP1OBZfFK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYKvvDyTAg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCpIbpwAWVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1SCl12weO4
All six Yale fans at Ingalls happy, Yale holds on to win 2-1 over the Mavs.
Quote from: stereax on November 28, 2025, 09:15:48 PMAll six Yale fans at Ingalls happy, Yale holds on to win 2-1 over the Mavs.
And I forgot about the Clarkson game. ECAC could go 5-4 today.
This is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team ???
If we miss the NCAAs by a couple of games his leaving will be THE biggest cause
The real ones root against players who ditch Cornell
Quote from: andyw2100 on November 28, 2025, 09:17:58 PMQuote from: stereax on November 28, 2025, 09:15:48 PMAll six Yale fans at Ingalls happy, Yale holds on to win 2-1 over the Mavs.
And I forgot about the Clarkson game. ECAC could go 5-4 today.
Clarkson hangs on against Lowell, so they get Alaska tomorrow. Not a bad result for the league considering the opponents. More key games tomorrow but things don't look as dismal for at-large numbers as they did at this time last year
Quote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team
Please do not reproduce.
Counting OT decisions as ties since that is the rough algorithmic impact:T Quinnipiac hosts Holy Cross
L Colgate at Michigan State
L Colgate at Michigan State
W Dartmouth hosts Vermont
W RPI at Niagara
L Princeton at Bowling Green
L Harvard hosts Michigan
W Yale hosts UNO
W Union vs Sacred Heart at Belfast in the "Friendship Four"
L St. Lawrence vs Alaska-Fairbanks at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
W Clarkson vs Lowell at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/29 Union vs Miami at Belfast in the "Friendship Four"
11/29 St. Lawrence vs Lowell at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/29 Clarkson vs Alaska-Fairbanks at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
11/29 Quinnipiac hosts Stonehill
11/29 Dartmouth hosts Merrimack
11/29 Brown at Northeastern
11/29 RPI at Niagara
11/29 Princeton at Bowling Green
11/29 Harvard hosts Michigan
11/29 Yale hosts UNO
11/29 Cornell vs BU at MSG
5-5-1 headed into tomorrow's 11 games.
Quote from: Iceberg on November 28, 2025, 07:21:17 PMMichigan up 1-0 at Lynah East, which looks a lot like Yost East given the number of people wearing maize and blue in the crowd
Once again, their fans are ripping us off.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 28, 2025, 09:58:26 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team
Please do not reproduce.
Nice zinger
Quote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team ???
If we miss the NCAAs by a couple of games his leaving will be THE biggest cause
The real ones root against players who ditch Cornell
You're fun at parties.
Robertson had his reasons for leaving. Many of which I understand and some of which I can personally relate to. I'm done with beating the dead horse about "wahhhh he left, public enemy number 1, wahhhh". This shit's bordering on obsession for you, bud. Honestly.
If he's playing Cornell, fuck him, and give him extra hell for daring to go away. ;). In any other situation, I wish him the best. Especially against Fucking Harvard. The real ones root against Harvard.
And tbh, I'm loving our current d-corps as is. Veilleux has proven to be a capable PP1 guy, which helps things. Between him, Fegaras, and Stanley who's on the PP a fair bit I think, we have no dearth of PP dmen. I don't think "losing" Robertson has hurt nearly as much as you seem to think.
Quote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThe real ones root against players who ditch Cornell
The real ones don't attack other Cornell fans.
Or are you just being a troll this time? It's honestly hard to tell.
I love Cornell hockey and all its great fans! Especially those dedicated enough to post on our great Internet forum, the ELynah Internet forum. *ahem* With that being said, rooting for someone after they ditched your team is some weak-ass shit
Quote from: BearLover on November 29, 2025, 02:41:58 AMrooting for someone after they ditched your team is some weak-ass shit
You said it yourself, we're all lame here. We're not alpha like you. So stop wasting your time and leave us to our beta sadness.
Go back to 4chan with the other winners.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on November 28, 2025, 11:38:01 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThe real ones root against players who ditch Cornell
The real ones don't attack other Cornell fans.
Or are you just being a troll this time? It's honestly hard to tell.
He's serious;
He's just trying to make a joke;
He's trolling;
He's a boring ass;
He just sucks!
He just sucks!
He just sucks!
Quote from: Trotsky on November 28, 2025, 09:58:26 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team
Please do not reproduce.
Pleases me to imagine who would partner without a paid transaction.
Quote from: marty on November 29, 2025, 06:43:55 AMQuote from: Trotsky on November 28, 2025, 09:58:26 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team
Please do not reproduce.
Pleases me to imagine who would partner without a paid transaction.
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"For every pot, a lid there is."
The wise path is to wish Ben Robertson success in life and future endeavors but not in any way that helps Michigan.
Watching the repetitve bonding over hating one guy on the forum is as frustrating as a reader as it is seeing the same guy build a stack of assumptions into a barely-qualfied thesis.
Quote from: ugarte on November 29, 2025, 03:12:31 PMThe wise path is to wish Ben Robertson success in life and future endeavors but not in any way that helps Michigan.
Watching the repetitve bonding over hating one guy on the forum is as frustrating as a reader as it is seeing the same guy build a stack of assumptions into a barely-qualfied thesis.
Agreed!
No one but Ben knows his reasoning and TBH, It's none of our business.
I wish him well, as do his former teammates. Do they wish he had stayed? YES
But, they understand his reasoning regardless
I'm over the nonsense
Quote from: ugarte on November 29, 2025, 03:12:31 PMWatching the repetitve bonding over hating one guy on the forum is as frustrating as a reader as it is seeing the same guy build a stack of assumptions into a barely-qualfied thesis.
It's so cringe-inducing to watch. Same few people every time too. The theses are great though. If I weren't confident in my assumptions, I wouldn't make them.
Quote from: chimpfood on November 28, 2025, 09:38:35 AMQuote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 08:52:01 AMQuote from: chimpfood on November 27, 2025, 10:58:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 27, 2025, 10:39:23 PMQuote from: dbilmes on November 26, 2025, 07:33:42 PMCrazy game at Quinnipiac today, as the bad guys win 7-6 over Holy Cross in OT after blowing a 3-goal lead in the final 6 minutes. Holy Cross scored five goals in the third period and Q scored three. A player on HC, DeBoer, who had four goals all season, had a natural hat trick in the third period.
Sadly, HC couldn't convert on a point-blank show in OT and a few minutes later Q finished off a 2-on-1.
Still a bad result for Q. It's only .48 of a win (.6 for OT x .8 for home ice) against a team that will likely finish poorly in the NPI.
.5 of a win I believe, the home/road weightings don't count for OT I think
Oh, I remember hearing that too. .6 of a win then, right?
I think they get .4 of a win for the regulation tie (0.8 times 0.5), plus 0.1 for the OT win which is excluded from home/road weights. But Adam please correct me if I'm wrong
They get 0.2 for the OT win. They get credit for the whole (win) of the OT portion (0.2). Regulation is 0.4 for each team - so either 0.4x0.8 or 0.4x1.2 ... The remaining 0.2 goes to the winner with no weighting.
so .8 x .4 = .32 + .2 = .52 credit for Q
To no one's surprise, Dartmouth up 1-0 against Merrimack after 1 period. Union and Miami tied 2-2 late in the only early game where an ECAC upset would be realistic
Quinnipiac almost lost to stonehill but had a late comeback to win, Dartmouth also gets a win over Merrimack. Umass loses to Army and SLU loses to Lowell. RPI just took the lead over Niagara.
UMASS is taking a nosedive
Final results, with OT games coded as ties to reflect the weighting:
T Quinnipiac hosts Holy Cross
L Colgate at Michigan State
L Colgate at Michigan State
W Dartmouth hosts Vermont
W RPI at Niagara
L Princeton at Bowling Green
L Harvard hosts Michigan
W Yale hosts UNO
W Union vs Sacred Heart at Belfast in the "Friendship Four"
L St. Lawrence vs Alaska-Fairbanks at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
W Clarkson vs Lowell at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
L Union vs Miami at Belfast in the "Friendship Four"
L St. Lawrence vs Lowell at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
L Clarkson vs Alaska-Fairbanks at Lake Placid in the Adirondack Winter Invitational
W Quinnipiac hosts Stonehill
W Dartmouth hosts Merrimack
L Brown at Northeastern
W RPI at Niagara
L Princeton at Bowling Green
T Harvard hosts Michigan
L Yale hosts UNO
L Cornell vs BU at MSG
A tough 3-7-1 Saturday; 8-12-2 overall for this round of holiday games. Missed opportunity to give the conference some interconference math heft.
Steep drop to 12 in the NPI after today. With the north country on the road, followed by Omaha and Alaska at home after break, we don't have highly ranked opponents coming, so we gotta keep winning.
Quote from: chimpfood on November 29, 2025, 11:03:33 PMSteep drop to 12 in the NPI after today. With the north country on the road, followed by Omaha and Alaska at home after break, we don't have highly ranked opponents coming, so we gotta keep winning.
We're not in a good position but we've played well enough so far to have a real shot at making the tournament so maybe it will happen
The NC$$ is port and cigars after the meal.
The ECACs are dinner.
Play well in conference, fight our way to Lake Placid, and take a run at The Title. Then we can worry about the NC$$ victory tour, but it's not relevant during the season.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 30, 2025, 12:21:33 AMThe NC$$ is port and cigars after the meal.
The ECACs are dinner.
Play well in conference, fight our way to Lake Placid, and take a run at The Title. Then we can worry about the NC$$ victory tour, but it's not relevant during the season.
Pretty much nobody else (fans, coaches, players) feels this way, we're trying to win our first national championship in 56 years, but if you don't want to follow Cornell's out of conference games, that's your prerogative.
Quote from: Trotsky on November 30, 2025, 12:21:33 AMThe NC$$ is port and cigars after the meal.
The ECACs are dinner.
Play well in conference, fight our way to Lake Placid, and take a run at The Title. Then we can worry about the NC$$ victory tour, but it's not relevant during the season.
I couldn't agree with this sentiment more.
Quote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team ???
If we miss the NCAAs by a couple of games his leaving will be THE biggest cause
The real ones root against players who ditch Cornell
You should read up on parasocial relationships. You're in one that you'll never leave.
Quote from: marty on November 29, 2025, 06:43:55 AMQuote from: Trotsky on November 28, 2025, 09:58:26 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team
Please do not reproduce.
Pleases me to imagine who would partner without a paid transaction.
I worry for the prospective single mothers by choice who end up at the sperm bank...
Quote from: BearLover on November 29, 2025, 04:06:29 PMQuote from: ugarte on November 29, 2025, 03:12:31 PMWatching the repetitve bonding over hating one guy on the forum is as frustrating as a reader as it is seeing the same guy build a stack of assumptions into a barely-qualfied thesis.
It's so cringe-inducing to watch. Same few people every time too. The theses are great though. If I weren't confident in my assumptions, I wouldn't make them.
while you are researching parasocial relationships, let's introduce you to another concept: see dunning-krueger effect.
Quote from: abmarks on November 30, 2025, 02:59:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 29, 2025, 04:06:29 PMQuote from: ugarte on November 29, 2025, 03:12:31 PMWatching the repetitve bonding over hating one guy on the forum is as frustrating as a reader as it is seeing the same guy build a stack of assumptions into a barely-qualfied thesis.
It's so cringe-inducing to watch. Same few people every time too. The theses are great though. If I weren't confident in my assumptions, I wouldn't make them.
while you are researching parasocial relationships, let's introduce you to another concept: see dunning-krueger effect.
You leave Justin Krueger out of this
Quote from: abmarks on November 30, 2025, 02:54:22 PMQuote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team ???
If we miss the NCAAs by a couple of games his leaving will be THE biggest cause
The real ones root against players who ditch Cornell
You should read up on parasocial relationships.
Also on "the narcissism of small differences."
Quote from: BearLover on November 28, 2025, 09:22:44 PMThis is the softest sports forum I've ever seen lmao. People literally rooting for a player who ditched our team ???
If we miss the NCAAs by a couple of games his leaving will be THE biggest cause
The real ones root against players who ditch Cornell
Please don't accuse me of not being a real CU fan!
My favorite HE team is BU. Why? Because of our 60s & 70s battles with them. I learned to respect them at that time.
My favorite Big Ten team is UM. Sure I went there, but also because we woke up the fans and that's been fun to see, Also because they never treated us like Minny has and they aren't OSU.
NCHC is North Dakota (slightly) because they've changed their ways and I've always found their traveling fans to be very respectful.
I'll root against all of the above if it helps us. Otherwise it's kind of fun to just sit back and observe.
I just hope that someday you can realize that it's a lot more fun to be happy and not negative and accusatory. Trust me, try it and see.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on December 02, 2025, 01:38:06 PMI just hope that someday you can realize that it's a lot more fun to be happy and not negative and accusatory. Trust me, try it and see.
Poopyhead.
Quote from: Beeeej on December 02, 2025, 01:42:05 PMQuote from: Jim Hyla on December 02, 2025, 01:38:06 PMI just hope that someday you can realize that it's a lot more fun to be happy and not negative and accusatory. Trust me, try it and see.
Poopyhead.
I too look forward to that day. My problem is that at this point it seems it will happen when Beebe Lake freezes over and Cornell once again uses it as the only rightful successor to Lynah.
For the first time all year, Dartmouth was behind against an opponent, but it didn't last long and they're up 5-2 against Brown headed into the 3rd.
Union up on Q, 3-0 early in the 3rd.
Quote from: marty on December 06, 2025, 06:53:36 PMUnion up on Q, 3-0 early in the 3rd.
Is Q... finally... not good?!?
Quote from: stereax on December 06, 2025, 08:27:33 PMQuote from: marty on December 06, 2025, 06:53:36 PMUnion up on Q, 3-0 early in the 3rd.
Is Q... finally... not good?!?
I saw QPuke last night and they looked great against a weak RPI. RPI lost to Princeton by a similar score that Union lost to them yesterday.
Union scored twice on a major to go up 2-0 before pulling away.
Harvard and Dartmouth leading handily against teams they're supposed to beat. Q has been quite inconsistent this year but they haven't really had a reliable goaltender since Perets, so they're in a tough situation in net. As for Princeton, Syer obviously has them playing more than respectable hockey
UMass beats Northeastern today. We are up to 14 in NPI
Quote from: JohnF81 on December 07, 2025, 08:29:45 PMUMass beats Northeastern today. We are up to 14 in NPI
Thank you, UMass...
Dartmouth, Union, and Yale in action tonight.
FFS, the morons at Northeastern are knocking down Matthews.
Isn't it bc Matthews is on the verge of collapse?
Quote from: underskill on December 11, 2025, 09:04:34 PMIsn't it bc Matthews is on the verge of collapse?
Yeah, pretty sure it's so structurally unsound that it's not salvageable.
(BU friend noted that their student group would wear hard hats and reflective construction vests to Matthews because of this risk, LOL.)
Then rebuild it stone by stone. cf. Penn Station.
Quote from: Trotsky on December 11, 2025, 08:32:31 PMDartmouth, Union, and Yale in action tonight.
FFS, the morons at Northeastern are knocking down Matthews.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/12/10_Time-to-Say-Goodbye-to-Matthews.php
Dartmouth now 11-0 after beating Army at home. With Yale getting their butts kicked at Merrimack and Union all over Alaska, it looks like 2-1 in OOC play will be the reality today. Still a few games tomorrow and on Sunday
We are at 15 in NPI after last night's games.
1 Dartmouth
10 Harvard
15 Cornell
16 Quinnipiac
20 Princeton
Union wins again. Cornell has moved to 13.
1 Dartmouth
10 Harvard
13 Cornell
14 Quinnipiac
19 Princeton
Quote from: Trotsky on December 13, 2025, 11:57:48 PMUnion wins again. Cornell has moved to 13.
1 Dartmouth
10 Harvard
13 Cornell
14 Quinnipiac
19 Princeton
Presumably BU's improved results are helping us too. If the system counted a two-three year cycle we'd be in great shape! UND is doing great. Check. Michigan state? Check. Denver? Check.
BU not only won, they beat Northeastern, which helped BU's NPI and therefore ours.
Today's game was the last in Matthews Arena. They had a nice ceremony after the game the end that was part of the ESPN+ broadcast. A lot of history happened in that building.
Dartmouth and UNH beaded to overtime in a very intense game. Dartmouth tied late with the goalie pulled but has a PK to start the OT
Quote from: Iceberg on December 14, 2025, 06:33:57 PMDartmouth and UNH beaded to overtime in a very intense game. Dartmouth tied late with the goalie pulled but has a PK to start the OT
HAPPY DARTMOUTH LOST DAY TO ALL WHO CELEBRATE.
The game winning goal was on a play where Wildcat Fitzgerald lost an edge and the puck, then fell behind the play. But his teammate fought off two Dartmouth players to get it back to the Fitzgerald, who slipped it under Croteau's right pad.
UNH works hard all game long, every game. They deserved this. But the key takeaway for an ECAC fan is that Dartmouth never led, and that was not a comfortable position for them. This was the first game all season where they went into the locker room between periods behind. For a while to generate more offense, they tried a lot of long passes that became icings. They also really like to crash the net, because it works for them.
When they come to Lynah, Cornell needs to come out hard and get the early lead, then keep the low slot cleared of bodies. Dartmouth is a team that can be put away. They just haven't faced a team that could do it until now. I do believe a more seasoned Cornell team will be up to the task.
Quote from: pjd8 on December 15, 2025, 12:42:54 AMThe game winning goal was on a play where Wildcat Fitzgerald lost an edge and the puck, then fell behind the play. But his teammate fought off two Dartmouth players to get it back to the Fitzgerald, who slipped it under Croteau's right pad.
UNH works hard all game long, every game. They deserved this. But the key takeaway for an ECAC fan is that Dartmouth never led, and that was not a comfortable position for them. This was the first game all season where they went into the locker room between periods behind. For a while to generate more offense, they tried a lot of long passes that became icings. They also really like to crash the net, because it works for them.
When they come to Lynah, Cornell needs to come out hard and get the early lead, then keep the low slot cleared of bodies. Dartmouth is a team that can be put away. They just haven't faced a team that could do it until now. I do believe a more seasoned Cornell team will be up to the task.
Damn good analysis. Thank you.
Dartmouth looked soft in the game and they didn't look great offensively until the 3rd. Regardless, with the loss being in OT, they only dropped one spot in NPI and so did Cornell
First game in awhile (all year?) that Dartmouth was handily outshot. I still have a hard time believing they're for real. I think they've been lucky against weak opposition. When we played them on the road shots and scoring chances were even, we lost Major to an injury early in the game, and the refs probably should have overturned a Dartmouth goal. We ended up losing 2-1. They were a bit above .500 last season and two of their best returning players left early to sign pro, so it's hard to believe the talent is there. Still, when you start 10-0 you don't need an amazing record the rest of the way to make the NCAAs, so they may snap their 46-year drought.
In my opinion Dartmouth was head and shoulders better than anybody else we have played this year. They are for real and Cashman is an excellent coach.
I remember when Yale got good it was almost impossible to believe in them because of their history. It happens. RPI has been by turns terrible, amazing, terrible, amazing, and terrible in their history. Cornell's consistency as a power program is an anomaly (7th-most weeks in the polls since 1970), not the norm.
Quote from: pjd8 on December 15, 2025, 12:42:54 AMWhen they come to Lynah, Cornell needs to come out hard and get the early lead, then keep the low slot cleared of bodies. Dartmouth is a team that can be put away. They just haven't faced a team that could do it until now. I do believe a more seasoned Cornell team will be up to the task.
This kind of content is why I stick around. Awesome analysis.
Quote from: Trotsky on December 15, 2025, 12:41:39 PMIn my opinion Dartmouth was head and shoulders better than anybody else we have played this year. They are for real and Cashman is an excellent coach.
I remember when Yale got good it was almost impossible to believe in them because of their history. It happens. RPI has been by turns terrible, amazing, terrible, amazing, and terrible in their history. Cornell's consistency as a power program is an anomaly (7th-most weeks in the polls since 1970), not the norm.
This is also true of when Quinnipiac got good. And that did come to mind here. But I think this logic is circular: Dartmouth is winning—>their coach is good->Dartmouth is legit. Essentially this is just saying Dartmouth is legit because they're winning.
Quote from: BearLover on December 15, 2025, 02:03:38 PMQuote from: Trotsky on December 15, 2025, 12:41:39 PMIn my opinion Dartmouth was head and shoulders better than anybody else we have played this year. They are for real and Cashman is an excellent coach.
I remember when Yale got good it was almost impossible to believe in them because of their history. It happens. RPI has been by turns terrible, amazing, terrible, amazing, and terrible in their history. Cornell's consistency as a power program is an anomaly (7th-most weeks in the polls since 1970), not the norm.
This is also true of when Quinnipiac got good. And that did come to mind here. But I think this logic is circular: Dartmouth is winning—>their coach is good->Dartmouth is legit. Essentially this is just saying Dartmouth is legit because they're winning.
I don't share BL's general disdain for how Dartmouth looked in their game against us but I do agree that when Yale and Q got good, there was absolutely no mistaking it. Yale may have gone on a heater to win their title but goddamn were the best Yale teams absolute speed demons. It's OK if you still have nightmares about their breakout.
Quote from: BearLover on December 15, 2025, 02:03:38 PMThis is also true of when Quinnipiac got good. And that did come to mind here. But I think this logic is circular: Dartmouth is winning—>their coach is good->Dartmouth is legit. Essentially this is just saying Dartmouth is legit because they're winning.
No. I am trying to say (A) Dartmouth looked legit on the ice and therefore (B) it is unsurprising to me that they are winning. That is no more circular than any other prediction drawn from an empirical observation. It's inductive logic which we all know is both semantically indefensible and also exactly the way all scientific progress actually starts. Thank you, David Hume.
I will admit my assessment of Cashman is lazy, though. I observe (A) Dartmouth sucks, (B) Cashman enters the chat, (C) Dartmouth is good and conclude Cashman had something to do with it. He could just have fortunate timing and the real factor is Climate Change or NVIDIA's share price or something else.
With regards to Dartmouth being lackluster: Don't discount UNH's defensive play. This is a team that has a uphill battle recruiting scoring talent in a conference that is all about offense. And when they do get a sniper like Ryan Conmy, he defects to BC. This team is successful when the play as a team for 60 minutes and shut down their opponent's game. But that's not sexy, and it's particularly tough when your schedule is filled with BCs and BUs and Maines.
With regards to Cashman: give the guy credit for what he's done. He inherited a team that hadn't had a winning record since 2015-16, didn't have a legacy reputation to recruit on, couldn't play a game the first year he coached, and five years later, he's got them standing on the top of the NPI a third of the way through the season. No one outside the ECAC gave a thought to Dartmouth unless they wanted to schedule an easy game. Now they are on people's radar.
On top of that, he's done what Greg Brown and Jay Pandolfo haven't done this year. He's gotten a consistent performance out of his team for a third of the season.
With regards to being legit: I suppose it's your definition of legit. If it's making it to the Frozen Four, I think the jury's still out. This is the equivalent of the conversation we had about why exams at Cornell are so hard: you have to challenge the most talented students in the group to see how far they can go. Dartmouth had their biggest challenge on Sunday, and they were almost successful. We don't really know how talented they are yet. Maybe this is their cap, and maybe not.
But if your definition of being legit is accomplishing all that is put out before you, they have been ever so close to perfect. I don't know if having the weakest schedule in Div I was a plan on Cashman's part or simply the cards he was dealt with (how many good teams want to schedule Dartmouth?), but he and his team have done almost every single task that has been put before them. They have the best winning record in Div I going into Christmas. And winning games is the ultimate goal, right?
I want them to keep on winning. I want them to stay in the top 5 of NPI and make every team in every other conference uncomfortable every time they look at the rankings. I want to see them put Harvard and Quinnipiac in their place. I want them to have the kind of success that makes the ECAC a stronger conference.
And then it will be oh so sweet when we beat them in Lynah. In the intermission filler on ESPN, the Dartmouth players talked about how last year's game was a highlight for them. They will be ready. We had better be.
There isn't one good definition for "legit." I supposed I'd say "good enough for an at-large NCAA bid" if I had to offer a definition. The point I'm getting at is that there's a lot of luck in a small sample of hockey games and Dartmouth is getting credited right now as one of the best teams in the country. This is clearly a great year for them so far and their coach has done a fantastic job. But I think they're wildly outperforming their true capabilities. We'll see, though. While their astronomical shooting % and save % suggest they've been fortunate, they have been dominating most of their opponents in scoring attempts.
Quote from: BearLover on December 16, 2025, 01:45:01 PMThere isn't one good definition for "legit." I supposed I'd say "good enough for an at-large NCAA bid" if I had to offer a definition.
If that's the standard I'd say Dartmouth has clearly shown that they're legit. Whether they are a genuine
title contender remains to be seen for sure but the early signs are stronger than I think you are allowing.
Simple game for this: https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?topic=272487
Union's team played a game against a bar league team, 3x5:
https://youtu.be/MMoN97_Y-pw?si=3ubaEa7pzRYnG1v9
As per Divver, (https://x.com/MarkDivver/status/2004606605539909641?t=KtA1x3o5JhVBueM2ivuTVA&s=19) Jeremy Wilmer (Q) expected to miss the rest of the season.
That's a huge loss for Q. They've been inconsistent as it is this season and they haven't even played any of the teams above them in the conference yet.
Speaking of losses, Dartmouth loses to ASU at home and drops a few spots in the NPI. They sure don't look comfortable playing in close games for a long period of time and are playing like the Dartmouth team I'm more accustomed to seeing (stupid individual defensive decisions and overcommitting on offense).
Quote from: Iceberg on December 27, 2025, 07:40:56 PMSpeaking of losses, Dartmouth loses to ASU at home and drops a few spots in the NPI. They sure don't look comfortable playing in close games for a long period of time and are playing like the Dartmouth team I'm more accustomed to seeing (stupid individual defensive decisions and overcommitting on offense).
And it drops us from 13 to 16 in NPI.
Not a good result for us but pretty funny tbh, maybe people will tone down the hype now.
Dartmouth beats ASU in their final non conference game. Princeton also beats brown in a non conference game, Syer has them playing pretty well this season.
Clarkson up 3-2 vs RIT and game ends. :)
Hope Fiegen isn't actually hurt. It's gonna be hard to win the game without him but we really need him for the Ivy League.
Quote from: chimpfood on December 29, 2025, 08:33:56 PMHope Fiegen isn't actually hurt. It's gonna be hard to win the game without him but we really need him for the Ivy League.
He needs to score just one goal before I worry about the impact of his injury.
MISTHREADED CONFUSION!
This is the entire writeup on the official Harvard website of its 9-1 loss to Q:
HAMDEN, CT. - No. 18 Men's hockey fell to No. 10 Quinnipiac in its first game after the holiday break.
HOW IT HAPPENED
Richard Gallant opened the scoring on the first shot of the game after some good work in the offensive zone led to some turnovers before Gallant went five hole to open the scoring.
That would be it for the Harvard offense as it was the only goal of the game for the Crimson.
Quinnipiac would go on to score the next nine goals in the game.
That is awesome, NGL.
A few upsets here and there that benefit the ECAC. Harvard and Dartmouth also swept at P and Q. The top 4 in the conference may not be as clear as we thought it was to start the year.
Dartmouth falls to Q 5-3 and we can tip our cap to BearLover.
Princeton scores with a few seconds left to beat Garbage* 3-2 and moves into first place in the ECAC.
*this was swype, I promise, but I'm not editing it.
Amazing trip up by the Green. All the flowers that have been tossed at Cashman et al, and they fall flat in their first big road weekend of the season! Deja vu all over again? Could Syer and the Tigers be for real? Pecker and Q always looming. Good to see Sucks* deal with a zero-burger points weekend. I like where we sit and the way we are playing. Shook the rust off against a tough foe. Need to get A Corn a confidence building weekend...Remy makes my nervous every start. Offense was sporadic, but useful vs. UNO and I'd like to see more of a flow to the attack as it felt helter skelter coming out of the break. Let's keep it rolling
I watched the Dartmouth-Q game. They played Q's game, skating the length of the ice for most of the 60 minutes. Dartmouth mostly kept up with them, but it wasn't in their comfort zone. Their passing wasn't as good as in other games. Still, it was pretty even play until late when D had to pull Croteau in an effort to tie it up. When they had the man advantage and got it set in the O-zone, they settled into the puck control that I have seen other nights.
Q is a more talented team on paper (five draft picks vs D's one, for example) and more experienced in playing tougher games. This is where D's lack of SOS hurts them. They do well if they get the kind of game that suits them, but they haven't learned to adjust to an opponent's style if it's different. Cornell needs to get them out of their comfort zone in Lynah.
Dartmouth has come a long way under Cashman. The last time Dartmouth finished in the top four of the ECAC was 2014-15. Now he's got them in contention for an NCAA bid, which, if it happened, would end a 46 year drought for them.
Do they still have lots of room for improvement? Absolutely. But remember, Cornell had a similarly disappointing stretch in Dec-Jan last year, and they did okay in the end.
BU continues its midseason transfer tradition by picking up Tynan Lawrence. (https://x.com/DarrenDreger/status/2008562093654688061?t=O6QLCAI3Mf4cgmIg7SuMwg&s=19)
Quote from: stereax on January 06, 2026, 10:37:07 AMBU continues its midseason transfer tradition by picking up Tynan Lawrence. (https://x.com/DarrenDreger/status/2008562093654688061?t=O6QLCAI3Mf4cgmIg7SuMwg&s=19)
BU doing a really good job of staying #1 on my hated teams list.
BU, Michigan, Quinn, Dartmouth, the rest of the power 4 schools, in that order. (Now that Dartmouth has started losing I might move them down though.)
Quinnipiac defenseman Drew Hockley departs for the CHL midseason. He appears to have not been in the lineup/getting much playing time most nights. Together with Jeremy Wilmer out for the season with an injury, I believe Q is down to 25 players on their roster who may play this year. Contrast with Cornell's 31, none of whom are currently injured.
Even going to classes at Q is too much for a lot of these guys. Expect more of this, as I have predicted.
Quote from: The Rancor on January 07, 2026, 12:23:26 AMEven going to classes at Q is too much for a lot of these guys. Expect more of this, as I have predicted.
https://humansofuniversity.com/quinnipiac-university/10-of-the-easiest-classes-at-quinnipiac-university/
Quote from: Trotsky on January 07, 2026, 09:48:54 AMQuote from: The Rancor on January 07, 2026, 12:23:26 AMEven going to classes at Q is too much for a lot of these guys. Expect more of this, as I have predicted.
https://humansofuniversity.com/quinnipiac-university/10-of-the-easiest-classes-at-quinnipiac-university/
I'd imagine the entire team is sitting in the back row of Bio 120.
(WS 101 should be a prerequisite for that course)
Quote from: The Rancor on January 07, 2026, 12:23:26 AMEven going to classes at Q is too much for a lot of these guys. Expect more of this, as I have predicted.
He came in from the BCHL, not the CHL, and played 23 games with them last year. So I don't think classes were the issue
Quote from: The Rancor on January 07, 2026, 12:23:26 AMEven going to classes at Q is too much for a lot of these guys. Expect more of this, as I have predicted.
Likely classes had little or nothing to do with it. Hockey decision. Wasn't getting playing time. He also ditched his BCHL team (which was also Pirtle's and Hiscock's team) at midseason last year to come to Q. Was ranked by NHL Central Scouting and didn't get drafted so that didn't work out the way he had hoped. And now he's bolting college for the CHL.
Yeah, we will see a lot more fluidity between CHL<->NCAA<->USHL(/BCHL/other) going forward.
Hayden Stavroff (https://www.uscho.com/stats/player/mid,40911/Hayden-Stavroff) of Dartmouth had a hat trick tonight and is now 18-8-26 in 17 games.
Think that's scary?
This is his photo on USCHO:
(https://static.uscho.com/img/headshots/200x300/m/dc/20252026_10.jpg/target.webp)
Quote from: Trotsky on January 09, 2026, 09:44:42 PMHayden Stavroff (https://www.uscho.com/stats/player/mid,40911/Hayden-Stavroff) of Dartmouth had a hat trick tonight and is now 18-8-26 in 17 games.
Think that's scary?
This is his photo on USCHO:
(https://static.uscho.com/img/headshots/200x300/m/dc/20252026_10.jpg/target.webp)
Red Bull gives you WIIIIIIIINGS!
Quote from: Trotsky on January 09, 2026, 09:44:42 PMHayden Stavroff (https://www.uscho.com/stats/player/mid,40911/Hayden-Stavroff) of Dartmouth had a hat trick tonight and is now 18-8-26 in 17 games.
Think that's scary?
This is his photo on USCHO:
(https://static.uscho.com/img/headshots/200x300/m/dc/20252026_10.jpg/target.webp)
The Brandon Tanev.
Or, well. The Dalton Bancroft.
Quote from: Trotsky on January 09, 2026, 09:44:42 PMHayden Stavroff (https://www.uscho.com/stats/player/mid,40911/Hayden-Stavroff) of Dartmouth had a hat trick tonight and is now 18-8-26 in 17 games.
Think that's scary?
This is his photo on USCHO:
(https://static.uscho.com/img/headshots/200x300/m/dc/20252026_10.jpg/target.webp)
You have something on your lip.
Quote from: Trotsky on January 09, 2026, 09:44:42 PMHayden Stavroff (https://www.uscho.com/stats/player/mid,40911/Hayden-Stavroff) of Dartmouth had a hat trick tonight and is now 18-8-26 in 17 games.
Think that's scary?
This is his photo on USCHO:
(https://static.uscho.com/img/headshots/200x300/m/dc/20252026_10.jpg/target.webp)
...when the guy chirping you has more penalty minutes than points.
Harvard's first two goals last night in 5-4 loss to Dartmouth were shorthanded scores. At one point, Dartmouth was 0-for-2 on the power play but had given up two goals during those two power plays. That's not something which happens too often!
Q scores with 18 seconds left in OT to salvage a home win over RPI. Too bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
Quote from: dbilmes on January 11, 2026, 08:53:32 AMQ scores with 18 seconds left in OT to salvage a home win over RPI. Too bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
I watched the end of the OT after our game ended. I need to go back to see RPI score the extra attacker goal.
Quote from: dbilmes on January 11, 2026, 08:53:32 AMToo bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
Quote from: Trotsky on January 11, 2026, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 11, 2026, 08:53:32 AMToo bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
It bears repeating that an RPI engineer is purported to have had a hand in the bridge design.
UM may be able to verify.
Quote from: Trotsky on January 11, 2026, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 11, 2026, 08:53:32 AMToo bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
That bridge has serious moves.
Quote from: stereax on January 11, 2026, 05:12:45 PMQuote from: Trotsky on January 11, 2026, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 11, 2026, 08:53:32 AMToo bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
That bridge has serious moves.
That's why it has the nickname Galloping Gertie. The current Tacoma Narrows bridge is far less entertaining.
Quote from: marty on January 11, 2026, 05:02:58 PMQuote from: Trotsky on January 11, 2026, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 11, 2026, 08:53:32 AMToo bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
It bears repeating that an RPI engineer is purported to have had a hand in the bridge design.
UM may be able to verify.
It's been quite a few years, but I recall that in a Freshman physics lecture, we were told that an RPI engineer had designed the bridge, I found no mention of RPI in connection with that bridge from a Google search.
I just watched the ESPN E60 documentary Paid to Play, narrated by Jeremy Schaap. It provides an excellent recap of how we go to this point in college sports.
Although it begins and ends with Schaap in an empty Yale Bowl, it never talks about how this sea change in college athletics affects schools like the Ivy League. But it did have a segment on Clarkson hockey, interviewing the coach and the AD, who both spoke about the challenges of having to compete with big-time sports schools. One of them said that if Clarkson and Michigan State are both recruiting the same player, Clarkson won't be able to compete financially with whatever Michigan State offers that player.
Quote from: ursusminor on January 12, 2026, 03:33:39 AMQuote from: marty on January 11, 2026, 05:02:58 PMQuote from: Trotsky on January 11, 2026, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 11, 2026, 08:53:32 AMToo bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
It bears repeating that an RPI engineer is purported to have had a hand in the bridge design.
UM may be able to verify.
It's been quite a few years, but I recall that in a Freshman physics lecture, we were told that an RPI engineer had designed the bridge, I found no mention of RPI in connection with that bridge from a Google search.
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Moisseiff) says that the responsible guy earned his civil engineering degree from Columbia University.
Quote from: David Harding on January 12, 2026, 02:39:33 PMQuote from: ursusminor on January 12, 2026, 03:33:39 AMQuote from: marty on January 11, 2026, 05:02:58 PMQuote from: Trotsky on January 11, 2026, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 11, 2026, 08:53:32 AMToo bad the Engineers couldn't have held out a few more seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
It bears repeating that an RPI engineer is purported to have had a hand in the bridge design.
UM may be able to verify.
It's been quite a few years, but I recall that in a Freshman physics lecture, we were told that an RPI engineer had designed the bridge, I found no mention of RPI in connection with that bridge from a Google search.
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Moisseiff) says that the responsible guy earned his civil engineering degree from Columbia University.
Interesting that he is buried in the same cemetery that my parents, my mother's parents, and my brother are buried. Eventually, so will my sister-in-law and I.
BU v Harvard on a Monday night. Aka hatewatch of the century for many.
Cool stat on the broadcast: Sucks is 0-6-1 vs teams in the top 20 of USCHO... and 7-0-0 vs all other teams.
Quote from: stereax on January 12, 2026, 08:03:02 PMCool stat on the broadcast: Sucks is 0-6-1 vs teams in the top 20 of USCHO... and 7-0-0 vs all other teams.
Quote from: stereax on January 12, 2026, 07:24:31 PMBU v Harvard on a Monday night. Aka hatewatch of the century for many.
Was 0-1 Sucks after 1. BU scored 2 quick ones in the 2nd.
Quote from: stereax on January 12, 2026, 08:03:02 PMCool stat on the broadcast: Sucks is 0-6-1 vs teams in the top 20 of USCHO... and 7-0-0 vs all other teams.
Using my newly found toy on CHN to compute hypothetical NPIs...
We're currently at an NPI of 55.89. It goes to 55.93 with a Sucks win and to 55.80 if Sucks stays true to form and loses. So..."Go Sucks?"
Quote from: andyw2100 on January 12, 2026, 08:25:40 PMQuote from: stereax on January 12, 2026, 08:03:02 PMCool stat on the broadcast: Sucks is 0-6-1 vs teams in the top 20 of USCHO... and 7-0-0 vs all other teams.
Using my newly found toy on CHN to compute hypothetical NPIs...
We're currently at an NPI of 55.89. It goes to 55.93 with a Sucks win and to 55.80 if Sucks stays true to form and loses. So..."Go Sucks?"
Eugh. Throwing up in my mouth. How about just "screw BU"?
Quote from: stereax on January 12, 2026, 08:37:17 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on January 12, 2026, 08:25:40 PMQuote from: stereax on January 12, 2026, 08:03:02 PMCool stat on the broadcast: Sucks is 0-6-1 vs teams in the top 20 of USCHO... and 7-0-0 vs all other teams.
Using my newly found toy on CHN to compute hypothetical NPIs...
We're currently at an NPI of 55.89. It goes to 55.93 with a Sucks win and to 55.80 if Sucks stays true to form and loses. So..."Go Sucks?"
Eugh. Throwing up in my mouth. How about just "screw BU"?
Much better!
Quote from: andyw2100 on January 12, 2026, 08:25:40 PMQuote from: stereax on January 12, 2026, 08:03:02 PMCool stat on the broadcast: Sucks is 0-6-1 vs teams in the top 20 of USCHO... and 7-0-0 vs all other teams.
Using my newly found toy on CHN to compute hypothetical NPIs...
We're currently at an NPI of 55.89. It goes to 55.93 with a Sucks win and to 55.80 if Sucks stays true to form and loses. So..."Go Sucks?"
We play Harvard at least twice this year so we have a strong preference for them winning.
BU gets an ENG with 1.38 left. Boo.
And a "safety school" chant breaks out. Bless.
Make that 2 ENGs. 33.2 left.
Funny article on CHN about Quinnipiac gaming the rules (which Pecknold literally admits in the article). Much of the piece, especially the last few paragraphs, reads like a backhanded compliment.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/01/15_Quinnipiac-Managing-Its-Way.php
Quote from: BearLover on January 15, 2026, 11:57:02 AMFunny article on CHN about Quinnipiac gaming the rules (which Pecknold literally admits in the article). Much of the piece, especially the last few paragraphs, reads like a backhanded compliment.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/01/15_Quinnipiac-Managing-Its-Way.php
Funny, but as much as I hate Quinny, the rules are the rules, and if you're not trying to maximize your advantage within those rules you're just foolish. It's Quinny's admissions "standards" that give Pecknold an
actual unfair advantage.
"If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin." -- Richard Petty
I'm a little worried St. Lawrence (62nd in the NPI out of 63 teams) is going to try to hire Sean Flanagan (alum) as their new head coach this offseason.
That's assuming the SLU administration cans Brekke, which could very well happen given the team's recent track record and an apparent commitment to hockey with the Appleton renovations
Speaking of BU, they apparently scored their first powerplay goal since Red Hot tonight.
Did we give them the shitty PP curse?
Oh, and there was an actual fight. (https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2012347309539852358)
Quote from: stereax on January 16, 2026, 10:42:52 PMSpeaking of BU, they apparently scored their first powerplay goal since Red Hot tonight.
Did we give them the shitty PP curse?
Oh, and there was an actual fight. (https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2012347309539852358)
I assumed the fight involved some expendable skaters given it comes with a guaranteed suspension. Nope, the BU skater was Sasha Boisvert, first round pick and one of their top scorers. UMass losing a guy with 6 points in 22 games is an exchange they'll take any day. Good to see BU frustrated and losing.
Quote from: BearLover on January 16, 2026, 10:57:53 PMQuote from: stereax on January 16, 2026, 10:42:52 PMSpeaking of BU, they apparently scored their first powerplay goal since Red Hot tonight.
Did we give them the shitty PP curse?
Oh, and there was an actual fight. (https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2012347309539852358)
I assumed the fight involved some expendable skaters given it comes with a guaranteed suspension. Nope, the BU skater was Sasha Boisvert, first round pick and one of their top scorers. UMass losing a guy with 6 points in 22 games is an exchange they'll take any day. Good to see BU frustrated and losing.
Legit when I saw it on Twitter I went "WHO got in a fight? And why???"
Apparently they'd both just been in the box for roughing too.
I'm watching the BU game on demand rn (for Yegorov, mostly) so I'll see what happened in a bit...
Quote from: stereax on January 16, 2026, 11:00:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 16, 2026, 10:57:53 PMQuote from: stereax on January 16, 2026, 10:42:52 PMSpeaking of BU, they apparently scored their first powerplay goal since Red Hot tonight.
Did we give them the shitty PP curse?
Oh, and there was an actual fight. (https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2012347309539852358)
I assumed the fight involved some expendable skaters given it comes with a guaranteed suspension. Nope, the BU skater was Sasha Boisvert, first round pick and one of their top scorers. UMass losing a guy with 6 points in 22 games is an exchange they'll take any day. Good to see BU frustrated and losing.
Legit when I saw it on Twitter I went "WHO got in a fight? And why???"
Apparently they'd both just been in the box for roughing too.
I'm watching the BU game on demand rn (for Yegorov, mostly) so I'll see what happened in a bit...
Speaking of Yegorov btw, he gets pulled before the 3rd. BU loses in OT and drops to I think 23rd in the NPI.
Quote from: BearLover on January 16, 2026, 10:57:53 PMQuote from: stereax on January 16, 2026, 10:42:52 PMSpeaking of BU, they apparently scored their first powerplay goal since Red Hot tonight.
Did we give them the shitty PP curse?
Oh, and there was an actual fight. (https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2012347309539852358)
I assumed the fight involved some expendable skaters given it comes with a guaranteed suspension. Nope, the BU skater was Sasha Boisvert, first round pick and one of their top scorers.
Some rappers fake (https://www.nickiswift.com/339110/rappers-who-were-accused-of-faking-their-tough-street-image/) street cred.
Quote from: Trotsky on January 17, 2026, 12:19:13 AMQuote from: BearLover on January 16, 2026, 10:57:53 PMQuote from: stereax on January 16, 2026, 10:42:52 PMSpeaking of BU, they apparently scored their first powerplay goal since Red Hot tonight.
Did we give them the shitty PP curse?
Oh, and there was an actual fight. (https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2012347309539852358)
I assumed the fight involved some expendable skaters given it comes with a guaranteed suspension. Nope, the BU skater was Sasha Boisvert, first round pick and one of their top scorers.
Some rappers fake (https://www.nickiswift.com/339110/rappers-who-were-accused-of-faking-their-tough-street-image/) street cred.
Wasn't Boisvert the dude who got beat up by a frar back at NoDak
RPI won a game! 4-2 over Brown. :)
Harvard wins women's Beanpot on a penalty shot in OT. Goalie made 46 saves.
They still suck.
Harvard women, not RPI men.
St Lawrence on steroids again up 3-0.
Colgate leads Dartmouth, 4-1, despite being outshoot 23-9 through first two periods.
Quote from: dbilmes on January 24, 2026, 08:39:11 PMColgate leads Dartmouth, 4-1, despite being outshoot 23-9 through first two periods.
you gotta laff
Quote from: ugarte on January 24, 2026, 08:57:32 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 24, 2026, 08:39:11 PMColgate leads Dartmouth, 4-1, despite being outshoot 23-9 through first two periods.
you gotta laff
It's impressive how bad of a team Dartmouth is on the road. They're lucky they had all those home games the prior to the holiday
Conn just went up on Q with 2:27 left in the CtIce Championship.
SNY TV
And added an empty net.
Quote from: Iceberg on January 24, 2026, 09:34:17 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 24, 2026, 08:57:32 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 24, 2026, 08:39:11 PMColgate leads Dartmouth, 4-1, despite being outshoot 23-9 through first two periods.
you gotta laff
It's impressive how bad of a team Dartmouth is on the road. They're lucky they had all those home games the prior to the holiday
They likely had a hangover tonight from last night's loss. Even so, the badly outshot Colgate, so probably bad goaltending tonight helped do them in
Quote from: marty on January 24, 2026, 09:52:17 PMConn just went up on Q with 2:27 left in the CtIce Championship.
SNY TV
And added an empty net.
This has moved us to 9 in NPI one place above Q at 10.
Quote from: Iceberg on January 24, 2026, 09:34:17 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 24, 2026, 08:57:32 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 24, 2026, 08:39:11 PMColgate leads Dartmouth, 4-1, despite being outshoot 23-9 through first two periods.
you gotta laff
It's impressive how bad of a team Dartmouth is on the road. They're lucky they had all those home games the prior to the holiday
What is it??? Is last change THAT important to them? Are they the Canes of the ECAC?
Quote from: stereax on January 25, 2026, 12:24:56 AMQuote from: Iceberg on January 24, 2026, 09:34:17 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 24, 2026, 08:57:32 PMQuote from: dbilmes on January 24, 2026, 08:39:11 PMColgate leads Dartmouth, 4-1, despite being outshoot 23-9 through first two periods.
you gotta laff
It's impressive how bad of a team Dartmouth is on the road. They're lucky they had all those home games the prior to the holiday
What is it??? Is last change THAT important to them? Are they the Canes of the ECAC?
I don't think it's about being on the road. I think it's probably the holiday slump combined with the teams they happen to be playing on the road. Their road games in Dec-Jan:
UNH - one goal loss
Princeton - one goal loss
Quinnipiac - one goal + ENG loss
Cornell - one goal loss
Colgate - three goal loss
The only real upset is Colgate, comparable to our Clarkson loss. The rest are them hanging close to comparable teams and coming up a little short. Like we did with UMass, Dartmouth and BU. I think it's more about how the scheduling worked out this year. Or maybe they're having underlying issues with something like injuries that we don't really know about.
Or....maybe teams have been taking them more seriously and are figuring out how to beat them. Like avoiding spending time in the neutral zone.
Two enjoyable cases of schadenfreude:
1. BU fans on the USCHO forum apoplectic about their team being on the outside of the NCAA despite having the most talent in the entire country (19 draft picks + midseason addition of soon-to-be top 5 pick). All sorts of comments like "you can't win with a team of underclassmen." I guess they forget they made the frozen four the past three years with the same recruiting strategy?
2. Clarkson fans on their forum, the Clarkson Hockey Roundtable, at a loss for why their team has been so mediocre this season. Normally I wouldn't hate on Clarkson but their fans universally wanted to run Casey out of town. (Also I still hold a grudge for how they stole the 2019 ECAC title from us in the worst officiated game I've ever seen.) Casey was replaced with J.F. Houle and for awhile it appeared Clarkson got the better of that exchange, going from a middle-of-the-road team to second in the conference and making the ECAC championship game last season, while Cornell struggled mightily through Casey's first year. But then Cornell beat Clarkson in the ECAC final, and since then Cornell has been up, while Clarkson has been down. The Clarkson fans found all sorts of "issues" to complain about w/r/t Casey, such as his supposed emphasis on dump-and-chase, his inability to motivate players, his failure to develop players, etc.
Quote from: BearLover on January 25, 2026, 12:05:45 PMTwo enjoyable cases of schadenfreude:
1. BU fans on the USCHO forum apoplectic about their team being on the outside of the NCAA despite having the most talent in the entire country (19 draft picks + midseason addition of soon-to-be top 5 pick). All sorts of comments like "you can't win with a team of underclassmen." I guess they forget they made the frozen four the past three years with the same recruiting strategy?
2. Clarkson fans on their forum, the Clarkson Hockey Roundtable, at a loss for why their team has been so mediocre this season. Normally I wouldn't hate on Clarkson but their fans universally wanted to run Casey out of town. (Also I still hold a grudge for how they stole the 2019 ECAC title from us in the worst officiated game I've ever seen.) Casey was replaced with J.F. Houle and for awhile it appeared Clarkson got the better of that exchange, going from a middle-of-the-road team to second in the conference and making the ECAC championship game last season, while Cornell struggled mightily through Casey's first year. But then Cornell beat Clarkson in the ECAC final, and since then Cornell has been up, while Clarkson has been down. The Clarkson fans found all sorts of "issues" to complain about w/r/t Casey, such as his supposed emphasis on dump-and-chase, his inability to motivate players, his inability to develop players, etc.
This is a PSA for everyone with respect to BL. He very clearly comes by his anxiety about the present and future of the team honestly. While he sometimes bangs a similar drum a little too insistently let s/he who is without sin cast that first stone. His assessment of Dartmouth has panned out. His notes on the precarious position we are in w/r/t an at-large bid in a weak conference aren't without merit. I am always happy to make fun of his worst instincts but in general eLF needs to chill out with the reflexive defensiveness to his analysis.
Quote from: BearLover on January 25, 2026, 12:05:45 PMTwo enjoyable cases of schadenfreude:
1. BU fans on the USCHO forum apoplectic about their team being on the outside of the NCAA despite having the most talent in the entire country (19 draft picks + midseason addition of soon-to-be top 5 pick). All sorts of comments like "you can't win with a team of underclassmen." I guess they forget they made the frozen four the past three years with the same recruiting strategy?
(https://i.ibb.co/B2qQFhgD/Screenshot-2026-01-25-13-10-03-10-572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m562gnHs)
(for context, this is BU friend in our Devils server.)
Maybe they can win the HEA playoffs and get in anyway, but man that team is underperforming severely. Fun for me, because I get to read the weekly crashout, but I kinda feel bad.
Quote from: ugarte on January 25, 2026, 12:41:47 PM...but in general eLF needs to chill out with the reflexive defensiveness to his analysis.
I agree.
And I'll add that I honestly think BearLover has, as of late, been making an effort to significantly improve the signal to noise ratio here. I have often found his/her posts insightful, and appreciate the effort he/she makes to share them.
Quote from: stereax on January 25, 2026, 01:19:33 PM(https://i.ibb.co/B2qQFhgD/Screenshot-2026-01-25-13-10-03-10-572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m562gnHs)
(for context, this is BU friend in our Devils server.)
Maybe they can win the HEA playoffs and get in anyway, but man that team is underperforming severely. Fun for me, because I get to read the weekly crashout, but I kinda feel bad.
I never feel bad when BU or BC have a merely above average year. It's good for them to be reminded that they are a bunch of humans like every other D1 team.
Quote from: pjd8 on January 25, 2026, 03:48:47 PMQuote from: stereax on January 25, 2026, 01:19:33 PM(https://i.ibb.co/B2qQFhgD/Screenshot-2026-01-25-13-10-03-10-572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m562gnHs)
(for context, this is BU friend in our Devils server.)
Maybe they can win the HEA playoffs and get in anyway, but man that team is underperforming severely. Fun for me, because I get to read the weekly crashout, but I kinda feel bad.
I never feel bad when BU or BC have a merely above average year. It's good for them to be reminded that they are a bunch of humans like every other D1 team.
Ehhh, you're right about that. It is deeply funny. Unfortunately, I installed way too much empathy hahaha.
Quote from: BearLover on January 25, 2026, 12:05:45 PMwhile Cornell struggled mightily through Casey's first year.
This is Casey's first year. The comparisons can't be made concurrently
Quote from: ugarte on January 25, 2026, 12:41:47 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 25, 2026, 12:05:45 PMTwo enjoyable cases of schadenfreude:
1. BU fans on the USCHO forum apoplectic about their team being on the outside of the NCAA despite having the most talent in the entire country (19 draft picks + midseason addition of soon-to-be top 5 pick). All sorts of comments like "you can't win with a team of underclassmen." I guess they forget they made the frozen four the past three years with the same recruiting strategy?
2. Clarkson fans on their forum, the Clarkson Hockey Roundtable, at a loss for why their team has been so mediocre this season. Normally I wouldn't hate on Clarkson but their fans universally wanted to run Casey out of town. (Also I still hold a grudge for how they stole the 2019 ECAC title from us in the worst officiated game I've ever seen.) Casey was replaced with J.F. Houle and for awhile it appeared Clarkson got the better of that exchange, going from a middle-of-the-road team to second in the conference and making the ECAC championship game last season, while Cornell struggled mightily through Casey's first year. But then Cornell beat Clarkson in the ECAC final, and since then Cornell has been up, while Clarkson has been down. The Clarkson fans found all sorts of "issues" to complain about w/r/t Casey, such as his supposed emphasis on dump-and-chase, his inability to motivate players, his inability to develop players, etc.
This is a PSA for everyone with respect to BL. He very clearly comes by his anxiety about the present and future of the team honestly. While he sometimes bangs a similar drum a little too insistently let s/he who is without sin cast that first stone. His assessment of Dartmouth has panned out. His notes on the precarious position we are in w/r/t an at-large bid in a weak conference aren't without merit. I am always happy to make fun of his worst instincts but in general eLF needs to chill out with the reflexive defensiveness to his analysis.
tldr: Schopenhauer was an asshole but he was still right sometimes.
Quote from: Trotsky on January 21, 1970, 06:29:54 AMtldr: Schopenhauer was an asshole but he was still right sometimes.
Yes, ugarte. That's the joke.
Joshua Ravensbergen expected to attend Michigan State (https://x.com/KevinWeekes/status/2015865888285635017?s=20) next season. Presumably means Augustine is going to sign after this year.
Quote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 04:05:25 PMJoshua Ravensbergen expected to attend Michigan State (https://x.com/KevinWeekes/status/2015865888285635017?s=20) next season. Presumably means Augustine is going to sign after this year.
Augustine, much like Celebrini, seemed to meet kryptonite when they played us. Just sayin'
MSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Quote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Pretty sure they do.
Quote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:30:25 PMQuote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Pretty sure they do.
With regard to NIL in hockey, I would like to see a smidge of actual reporting, somewhere, anywhere, with specific details (players + amounts). Everyone just waives their hands and shouts "NIL!" whenever a good recruit signs with a top school. But there's no hard evidence anywhere. In football and basketball, we know NIL to be a major factor because such reporting exists. In hockey, we never get specific details. The one exception is Gavin McKenna receiving "$700,000," reported elsewhere as $500,000 or less, which is itself disputed by others (I heard on a hockey podcast it's under $250K). And then when you listen to the people who report these figures, it becomes clear they don't even know if it's NIL, or revenue sharing, or if it includes scholarship, or if it's just for McKenna's freshman year or if instead it only gets paid in full if he stays more than one year.
What I'm saying is, we're left totally in the dark on NIL in hockey, as any reporting is wildly vague. It sounds like the reporters themselves don't know.
I am sure NIL/revenue sharing in hockey exists, but I'm skeptical it exists to any real degree outside of specific circumstances. Money does not materialize out of thin air. Hockey programs were already reliant on donations to survive, so for NIL to be a major factor you'd need donors committing vast sums of money on top of what they were previously committing. That's certainly possible, but it's unlikely for most schools, even the big ones. And that's leaving out questions such as passing the new NIL clearinghouse or the difficulties of foreign players earning NIL.
Quote from: BearLover on January 26, 2026, 05:48:35 PMQuote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:30:25 PMQuote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Pretty sure they do.
With regard to NIL in hockey, I would like to see a smidge of actual reporting, somewhere, anywhere, with specific details (players + amounts). Everyone just waives their hands and shouts "NIL!" whenever a good recruit signs with a top school. But there's no hard evidence anywhere. In football and basketball, we know NIL to be a major factor because such reporting exists. In hockey, we never get specific details. The one exception is Gavin McKenna receiving "$700,000," reported elsewhere as $500,000 or less, which is itself disputed by others (I heard on a hockey podcast it's under $250K). And then when you listen to the people who report these figures, it becomes clear they don't even know if it's NIL, or revenue sharing, or if it includes scholarship, or if it's just for McKenna's freshman year or if instead it only gets paid in full if he stays more than one year.
What I'm saying is, we're left totally in the dark on NIL in hockey, as any reporting is wildly vague. It sounds like the reporters themselves don't know.
I am sure NIL/revenue sharing in hockey exists, but I'm skeptical it exists to any real degree outside of specific circumstances. Money does not materialize out of thin air. Hockey programs were already reliant on donations to survive, so for NIL to be a major factor you'd need donors committing vast sums of money on top of what they were previously committing. That's certainly possible, but it's unlikely for most schools, even the big ones. And that's leaving out questions such as passing the new NIL clearinghouse or the difficulties of foreign players earning NIL.
For sure - I'm just going off things like Porter Martone's reported $300k to presume that MSU is using NIL as a factor. But at the same time, NIL in hockey is so new that it's so difficult to have a good idea of what exactly it consists of, how much it is, etcetera, etcetera. (I'll also note that BU isn't a football school, so perhaps they have more cash to devote to their hockey program.)
At the same time, BU also has
serious pedigree. MSU is on the upswing and is also a really, really good team. So it could also be, take Ravensbergen, a "this school has a great chance of winning and has developed a really good goalie already". I know Carter George was considering BC (https://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/sports/local-sports/degray-boston-college-came-calling-for-carter-george) before he got traded from Owen Sound, more out of a developmental thing than necessarily NIL.
On the other hand, PSU, for example, clearly benefitted heavily from being able to lure talent in with cash. So there's definitely some truth to NIL screwing with the college hockey landscape. Unfortunately, we probably won't know how much it does until someone does actual investigative reporting in a few years.
So NIL is secret?
I'm not sure why it wouldn't be public information, like an athlete's contract. Why not? I'm not saying we have a right to know (if you aint up on things, we don't have any rights any more in any respect). But why not just let it be transparent?
It's supposed to not be cheating or unsavory, after all.
Quote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:57:34 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 26, 2026, 05:48:35 PMQuote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:30:25 PMQuote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Pretty sure they do.
With regard to NIL in hockey, I would like to see a smidge of actual reporting, somewhere, anywhere, with specific details (players + amounts). Everyone just waives their hands and shouts "NIL!" whenever a good recruit signs with a top school. But there's no hard evidence anywhere. In football and basketball, we know NIL to be a major factor because such reporting exists. In hockey, we never get specific details. The one exception is Gavin McKenna receiving "$700,000," reported elsewhere as $500,000 or less, which is itself disputed by others (I heard on a hockey podcast it's under $250K). And then when you listen to the people who report these figures, it becomes clear they don't even know if it's NIL, or revenue sharing, or if it includes scholarship, or if it's just for McKenna's freshman year or if instead it only gets paid in full if he stays more than one year.
What I'm saying is, we're left totally in the dark on NIL in hockey, as any reporting is wildly vague. It sounds like the reporters themselves don't know.
I am sure NIL/revenue sharing in hockey exists, but I'm skeptical it exists to any real degree outside of specific circumstances. Money does not materialize out of thin air. Hockey programs were already reliant on donations to survive, so for NIL to be a major factor you'd need donors committing vast sums of money on top of what they were previously committing. That's certainly possible, but it's unlikely for most schools, even the big ones. And that's leaving out questions such as passing the new NIL clearinghouse or the difficulties of foreign players earning NIL.
For sure - I'm just going off things like Porter Martone's reported $300k to presume that MSU is using NIL as a factor. But at the same time, NIL in hockey is so new that it's so difficult to have a good idea of what exactly it consists of, how much it is, etcetera, etcetera. (I'll also note that BU isn't a football school, so perhaps they have more cash to devote to their hockey program.)
If you try to dig up the source for that Porter Martone number, though, you'll see what I'm talking about. The original "source" was a student at Penn State with a few hundred followers on Twitter who blogs about the Flyers. He "reported" an NIL offer for Martone "north of $250,000," and then a bunch of other media ran with it. Maybe this is a commentary on today's media generally rather than hockey NIL reporting specifically, but I see no reason this random kid should be trusted on the matter.
https://x.com/BR_OpenIce/status/1920169144533549556?s=20
Quote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:57:34 PMFor sure - I'm just going off things like Porter Martone's reported $300k to presume that MSU is using NIL as a factor. But at the same time, NIL in hockey is so new that it's so difficult to have a good idea of what exactly it consists of, how much it is, etcetera, etcetera. (I'll also note that BU isn't a football school, so perhaps they have more cash to devote to their hockey program.)
Given that the BU women have their own rink (Walter Brown), which they have been loaning to homeless Northeastern, I'd say that Terriers Hockey is doing okay financially. During a Northeastern game broadcast a week or two ago, the commentators talked about how they had nicely renovated that rink.
Quote from: BearLover on January 26, 2026, 05:48:35 PMQuote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:30:25 PMQuote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Pretty sure they do.
With regard to NIL in hockey, I would like to see a smidge of actual reporting, somewhere, anywhere, with specific details (players + amounts). Everyone just waives their hands and shouts "NIL!" whenever a good recruit signs with a top school. But there's no hard evidence anywhere. In football and basketball, we know NIL to be a major factor because such reporting exists. In hockey, we never get specific details. The one exception is Gavin McKenna receiving "$700,000," reported elsewhere as $500,000 or less, which is itself disputed by others (I heard on a hockey podcast it's under $250K). And then when you listen to the people who report these figures, it becomes clear they don't even know if it's NIL, or revenue sharing, or if it includes scholarship, or if it's just for McKenna's freshman year or if instead it only gets paid in full if he stays more than one year.
What I'm saying is, we're left totally in the dark on NIL in hockey, as any reporting is wildly vague. It sounds like the reporters themselves don't know.
I am sure NIL/revenue sharing in hockey exists, but I'm skeptical it exists to any real degree outside of specific circumstances. Money does not materialize out of thin air. Hockey programs were already reliant on donations to survive, so for NIL to be a major factor you'd need donors committing vast sums of money on top of what they were previously committing. That's certainly possible, but it's unlikely for most schools, even the big ones. And that's leaving out questions such as passing the new NIL clearinghouse or the difficulties of foreign players earning NIL.
This is the sport that gave us the upper body injury. Keeping things under wraps is ingrained in the fiber
Quote from: pjd8 on January 27, 2026, 12:32:29 AMQuote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:57:34 PMFor sure - I'm just going off things like Porter Martone's reported $300k to presume that MSU is using NIL as a factor. But at the same time, NIL in hockey is so new that it's so difficult to have a good idea of what exactly it consists of, how much it is, etcetera, etcetera. (I'll also note that BU isn't a football school, so perhaps they have more cash to devote to their hockey program.)
Given that the BU women have their own rink (Walter Brown), which they have been loaning to homeless Northeastern, I'd say that Terriers Hockey is doing okay financially. During a Northeastern game broadcast a week or two ago, the commentators talked about how they had nicely renovated that rink.
I almost forgot Northeastern is homeless now LMAO.
Quote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Porter Martone gets about 300k - I have more or less verified it's at least around there. MSU got the better of that deal, vis-a-vis McKenna
Quote from: BearLover on January 26, 2026, 05:48:35 PMQuote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:30:25 PMQuote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Pretty sure they do.
With regard to NIL in hockey, I would like to see a smidge of actual reporting, somewhere, anywhere, with specific details (players + amounts). Everyone just waives their hands and shouts "NIL!" whenever a good recruit signs with a top school. But there's no hard evidence anywhere. In football and basketball, we know NIL to be a major factor because such reporting exists. In hockey, we never get specific details. The one exception is Gavin McKenna receiving "$700,000," reported elsewhere as $500,000 or less, which is itself disputed by others (I heard on a hockey podcast it's under $250K). And then when you listen to the people who report these figures, it becomes clear they don't even know if it's NIL, or revenue sharing, or if it includes scholarship, or if it's just for McKenna's freshman year or if instead it only gets paid in full if he stays more than one year.
What I'm saying is, we're left totally in the dark on NIL in hockey, as any reporting is wildly vague. It sounds like the reporters themselves don't know.
I am sure NIL/revenue sharing in hockey exists, but I'm skeptical it exists to any real degree outside of specific circumstances. Money does not materialize out of thin air. Hockey programs were already reliant on donations to survive, so for NIL to be a major factor you'd need donors committing vast sums of money on top of what they were previously committing. That's certainly possible, but it's unlikely for most schools, even the big ones. And that's leaving out questions such as passing the new NIL clearinghouse or the difficulties of foreign players earning NIL.
NIL -- and moreso, revenue sharing -- 10000% exists to a significant basis (significant enough to sway recruiting even more towards big schools.) This is unquestioned. I have talked to enough people to know this. However, it's not my full-time job and I don't have time to dig on everyone's details. In fact, given the relatively popularity of football to hockey, there basically are no reporters that exists whose full-time job it is.
As for a Trotsky comment about how pro athletes' contracts are publicly known .... that's only because it's collectively bargained to be that way. There isn't some FOIA thing out there making it so. In fact, judges have been consistently and specifically striking down any attempt by media to get access to Player Aid Agreement contracts, even at public universities.
Quote from: adamw on January 27, 2026, 02:26:25 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 26, 2026, 05:48:35 PMQuote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:30:25 PMQuote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Pretty sure they do.
With regard to NIL in hockey, I would like to see a smidge of actual reporting, somewhere, anywhere, with specific details (players + amounts). Everyone just waives their hands and shouts "NIL!" whenever a good recruit signs with a top school. But there's no hard evidence anywhere. In football and basketball, we know NIL to be a major factor because such reporting exists. In hockey, we never get specific details. The one exception is Gavin McKenna receiving "$700,000," reported elsewhere as $500,000 or less, which is itself disputed by others (I heard on a hockey podcast it's under $250K). And then when you listen to the people who report these figures, it becomes clear they don't even know if it's NIL, or revenue sharing, or if it includes scholarship, or if it's just for McKenna's freshman year or if instead it only gets paid in full if he stays more than one year.
What I'm saying is, we're left totally in the dark on NIL in hockey, as any reporting is wildly vague. It sounds like the reporters themselves don't know.
I am sure NIL/revenue sharing in hockey exists, but I'm skeptical it exists to any real degree outside of specific circumstances. Money does not materialize out of thin air. Hockey programs were already reliant on donations to survive, so for NIL to be a major factor you'd need donors committing vast sums of money on top of what they were previously committing. That's certainly possible, but it's unlikely for most schools, even the big ones. And that's leaving out questions such as passing the new NIL clearinghouse or the difficulties of foreign players earning NIL.
NIL -- and moreso, revenue sharing -- 10000% exists to a significant basis (significant enough to sway recruiting even more towards big schools.) This is unquestioned.
This is obviously technically true—in that there are cases where players are swayed by NIL or rev sharing-but by itself the statement doesn't really mean anything. The degree of NIL/rev sharing, who pays it, and who gets it, matter a lot, and from that perspective we are left completely in the dark.
Which schools are paying players? Only power 5? Non-power 5 schools like NoDak? BU? Denver? Duluth?
Which types of players are getting paid? Entire rosters? Just one or two hotshot recruits per team? Do seniors who committed their whole careers to the program get anything? (If so, there's not much money left to spread around.)
I've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes
absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Quote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
Quote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
The Jeffrey T. Anbinder '94 Wall-Size Poster of Alexis Cournoyer
Quote from: Beeeej on January 27, 2026, 03:53:20 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
The Jeffrey T. Anbinder '94 Wall-Size Poster of Alexis Cournoyer
Where are you going to find twenty-six dollars?
Quote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:55:31 PMQuote from: Beeeej on January 27, 2026, 03:53:20 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
The Jeffrey T. Anbinder '94 Wall-Size Poster of Alexis Cournoyer
Where are you going to find twenty-six dollars?
Hold on, posting our Colgate tix...
Quote from: Beeeej on January 27, 2026, 03:59:38 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:55:31 PMQuote from: Beeeej on January 27, 2026, 03:53:20 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
The Jeffrey T. Anbinder '94 Wall-Size Poster of Alexis Cournoyer
Where are you going to find twenty-six dollars?
Hold on, posting our Colgate tix...
Will they take a $40 CTB gift card?
Christian Kirsch, G, to Quinnipiac. (https://x.com/collegepucknxt/status/2016232716732121440?s=46)
Quote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMQuote from: adamw on January 27, 2026, 02:26:25 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 26, 2026, 05:48:35 PMQuote from: stereax on January 26, 2026, 05:30:25 PMQuote from: scoop85 on January 26, 2026, 04:46:20 PMMSU must have some massive NLI for hockey, as they (along with BU) are cleaning up with the elite guys (McKenna excepted).
Pretty sure they do.
With regard to NIL in hockey, I would like to see a smidge of actual reporting, somewhere, anywhere, with specific details (players + amounts). Everyone just waives their hands and shouts "NIL!" whenever a good recruit signs with a top school. But there's no hard evidence anywhere. In football and basketball, we know NIL to be a major factor because such reporting exists. In hockey, we never get specific details. The one exception is Gavin McKenna receiving "$700,000," reported elsewhere as $500,000 or less, which is itself disputed by others (I heard on a hockey podcast it's under $250K). And then when you listen to the people who report these figures, it becomes clear they don't even know if it's NIL, or revenue sharing, or if it includes scholarship, or if it's just for McKenna's freshman year or if instead it only gets paid in full if he stays more than one year.
What I'm saying is, we're left totally in the dark on NIL in hockey, as any reporting is wildly vague. It sounds like the reporters themselves don't know.
I am sure NIL/revenue sharing in hockey exists, but I'm skeptical it exists to any real degree outside of specific circumstances. Money does not materialize out of thin air. Hockey programs were already reliant on donations to survive, so for NIL to be a major factor you'd need donors committing vast sums of money on top of what they were previously committing. That's certainly possible, but it's unlikely for most schools, even the big ones. And that's leaving out questions such as passing the new NIL clearinghouse or the difficulties of foreign players earning NIL.
NIL -- and moreso, revenue sharing -- 10000% exists to a significant basis (significant enough to sway recruiting even more towards big schools.) This is unquestioned.
This is obviously technically true—in that there are cases where players are swayed by NIL or rev sharing-but by itself the statement doesn't really mean anything. The degree of NIL/rev sharing, who pays it, and who gets it, matter a lot, and from that perspective we are left completely in the dark.
Which schools are paying players? Only power 5? Non-power 5 schools like NoDak? BU? Denver? Duluth?
Which types of players are getting paid? Entire rosters? Just one or two hotshot recruits per team? Do seniors who committed their whole careers to the program get anything? (If so, there's not much money left to spread around.)
I've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Now that there is no more radio broadcast maybe the East Hill Car Wash and Mountain Dew Code Red money can be tapped back into
Quote from: stereax on January 27, 2026, 04:32:21 PMChristian Kirsch, G, to Quinnipiac. (https://x.com/collegepucknxt/status/2016232716732121440?s=46)
With both of Q's goaltender being juniors, it makes me wonder if Pecknold brings in this guy next fall and one of the current juniors transfers out. It's no secret that goaltending is that team's biggest issue
Quote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMThis is obviously technically true—in that there are cases where players are swayed by NIL or rev sharing-but by itself the statement doesn't really mean anything. The degree of NIL/rev sharing, who pays it, and who gets it, matter a lot, and from that perspective we are left completely in the dark.
Which schools are paying players? Only power 5? Non-power 5 schools like NoDak? BU? Denver? Duluth?
Which types of players are getting paid? Entire rosters? Just one or two hotshot recruits per team? Do seniors who committed their whole careers to the program get anything? (If so, there's not much money left to spread around.)
I've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Every school that is allowed to pay players, is paying players - something. The big schools are paying just about all their players at least ... something. Every school you mentioned is paying players.
Brown's coach is getting slow canned. (https://x.com/i/status/2016607875150348727)
He's taking FMLA leave per CHN
Quote from: underskill on January 28, 2026, 09:29:25 PMHe's taking FMLA leave per CHN
Starting Feb 20. And then when he comes back, will be "transitioning" into a new role in athletics and they'll be looking for a new HC.
Quote from: stereax on January 28, 2026, 10:01:15 PMQuote from: underskill on January 28, 2026, 09:29:25 PMHe's taking FMLA leave per CHN
Starting Feb 20. And then when he comes back, will be "transitioning" into a new role in athletics and they'll be looking for a new HC.
Overdue. Brown has needed a new HC for a while but they may actually get someone much better (i.e. Gaudet for Cashman at Dartmouth)
2 winning seasons, never an in conference winning record, is a pretty wild stretch for 16 seasons.
Quote from: Iceberg on January 29, 2026, 07:15:16 AMQuote from: stereax on January 28, 2026, 10:01:15 PMQuote from: underskill on January 28, 2026, 09:29:25 PMHe's taking FMLA leave per CHN
Starting Feb 20. And then when he comes back, will be "transitioning" into a new role in athletics and they'll be looking for a new HC.
Overdue. Brown has needed a new HC for a while but they may actually get someone much better (i.e. Gaudet for Cashman at Dartmouth)
Not sure Cashman has yet proven to be better than Gaudet.
Quote from: adamw on January 29, 2026, 09:37:42 AMQuote from: Iceberg on January 29, 2026, 07:15:16 AMQuote from: stereax on January 28, 2026, 10:01:15 PMQuote from: underskill on January 28, 2026, 09:29:25 PMHe's taking FMLA leave per CHN
Starting Feb 20. And then when he comes back, will be "transitioning" into a new role in athletics and they'll be looking for a new HC.
Overdue. Brown has needed a new HC for a while but they may actually get someone much better (i.e. Gaudet for Cashman at Dartmouth)
Not sure Cashman has yet proven to be better than Gaudet.
Wut. In 23 years at Dartmouth Gaudet never made the NCAA tournament and never even made it to the ECAC final.
Quote from: The Rancor on January 29, 2026, 08:58:31 AM2 winning seasons, never an in conference winning record, is a pretty wild stretch for 16 seasons.
Six winning seasons in
forty-five years. Last NCAA tourney appearance thirty-three years ago. I really don't think they care much about the program, or they'd put more resources into it.
Quote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
For an idea of NIL in a sport that isn't football or basketball, Bill helpfully linked to a story I was going to put here in the wrestling thread (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=278569). An elite 125 pounder who had committed to Cornell "pulled his committment" - though it is generally believed that his gap year grades at FLCC weren't good enough for Admissions. After reopening his recruiting, he stayed near home, at Rutgers, for $200K a year. So, yes, I assume there is a lot of hockey NIL money floating around even if the public information is sparse.
Quote from: ugarte on January 29, 2026, 10:40:35 AMQuote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
For an idea of NIL in a sport that isn't football or basketball, Bill helpfully linked to a story I was going to put here in the wrestling thread (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=278569). An elite 125 pounder who had committed to Cornell "pulled his committment" - though it is generally believed that his gap year grades at FLCC weren't good enough for Admissions. After reopening his recruiting, he stayed near home, at Rutgers, for $200K a year. So, yes, I assume there is a lot of hockey NIL money floating around even if the public information is sparse.
And if it's something other than $200K no one cares. At least almost no one. And no one is entitled to that knowledge. Most understand this - but sadly not all.
Quote from: Beeeej on January 29, 2026, 10:30:57 AMQuote from: The Rancor on January 29, 2026, 08:58:31 AM2 winning seasons, never an in conference winning record, is a pretty wild stretch for 16 seasons.
Six winning seasons in forty-five years. Last NCAA tourney appearance thirty-three years ago. I really don't think they care much about the program, or they'd put more resources into it.
1993. Brown made the NCAAs. Cornell lost 11 straight and missed making the ECAC playoffs. (Fun fact, Cornell was one of two teams in the nation to win their final game that season.)
My freshman year. What an impression, but I was still a lifer after that. I'm so glad that was the upside-down season and not the norm.
It's funny, Brown is the one ECAC team I couldn't name the head coach before today. And he's been there for 17 years. (Wait, it's not Roger Grillo??) Some nights at Meehan it seems the majority of Brown students at the game are sitting on the bench.
Quote from: RichH on January 29, 2026, 02:58:10 PM1993. Brown made the NCAAs. Cornell lost 11 straight and missed making the ECAC playoffs. (Fun fact, Cornell was one of two teams in the nation to win their final game that season.)
My freshman year. What an impression, but I was still a lifer after that. I'm so glad that was the upside-down season and not the norm.
It's funny, Brown is the one ECAC team I couldn't name the head coach before today. And he's been there for 17 years. (Wait, it's not Roger Grillo??) Some nights at Meehan it seems the majority of Brown students at the game are sitting on the bench.
Remember back when you couldn't make the playoffs just by submitting 29 starting lineups and going for a smoke?
Some nights at Meehan it seems like it must be at close to 10% of its 3,100-seat capacity, but only because there's always a few dozen little kids running around quickly enough to look like a slightly bigger crowd of little kids.
Quote from: Beeeej on January 29, 2026, 03:02:59 PMRemember back when you couldn't make the playoffs just by submitting 29 starting lineups and going for a smoke?
As long as your players don't emulate baby elephants.
Quote from: Beeeej on January 29, 2026, 03:02:59 PMQuote from: RichH on January 29, 2026, 02:58:10 PM1993. Brown made the NCAAs. Cornell lost 11 straight and missed making the ECAC playoffs. (Fun fact, Cornell was one of two teams in the nation to win their final game that season.)
My freshman year. What an impression, but I was still a lifer after that. I'm so glad that was the upside-down season and not the norm.
It's funny, Brown is the one ECAC team I couldn't name the head coach before today. And he's been there for 17 years. (Wait, it's not Roger Grillo??) Some nights at Meehan it seems the majority of Brown students at the game are sitting on the bench.
Remember back when you couldn't make the playoffs just by submitting 29 starting lineups and going for a smoke?
Some nights at Meehan it seems like it must be at close to 10% of its 3,100-seat capacity, but only because there's always a few dozen little kids running around quickly enough to look like a slightly bigger crowd of little kids.
Thank fuck Lynah will (hopefully) NEVER be like that.
Quote from: RichH on January 29, 2026, 03:08:16 PMQuote from: Beeeej on January 29, 2026, 03:02:59 PMRemember back when you couldn't make the playoffs just by submitting 29 starting lineups and going for a smoke?
As long as your players don't emulate baby elephants.
Do I detect a veiled Vermont reference? Lol
Quote from: abmarks on January 29, 2026, 03:15:10 PMQuote from: RichH on January 29, 2026, 03:08:16 PMQuote from: Beeeej on January 29, 2026, 03:02:59 PMRemember back when you couldn't make the playoffs just by submitting 29 starting lineups and going for a smoke?
As long as your players don't emulate baby elephants.
Do I detect a veiled Vermont reference? Lol
"Veiled"? No.
Quote from: marty on January 29, 2026, 01:32:25 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 29, 2026, 10:40:35 AMQuote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
For an idea of NIL in a sport that isn't football or basketball, Bill helpfully linked to a story I was going to put here in the wrestling thread (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=278569). An elite 125 pounder who had committed to Cornell "pulled his committment" - though it is generally believed that his gap year grades at FLCC weren't good enough for Admissions. After reopening his recruiting, he stayed near home, at Rutgers, for $200K a year. So, yes, I assume there is a lot of hockey NIL money floating around even if the public information is sparse.
And if it's something other than $200K no one cares. At least almost no one. And no one is entitled to that knowledge. Most understand this - but sadly not all.
Setting aside that this is another swipe at me (which is most of your posts, please find a new hobby), the substance of your post makes zero sense. No one is entitled to information about anything. Stories get reported when there is public interest. By your logic no athlete's contract should be reported on? What about other happenings to athletes, or happenings to people outside the sports world? Why should the public be entitled to information about anything??? What are you even talking about dude
As to ugarte's post, yes, it always just takes one crazy donor somewhere to pay a kid $200K. As it stands though, college programs other than big-time football and basketball struggle to stay afloat with the donations they have. One instance of a large payout does not indicate what is the norm. There's also a survivorship bias type of thing going on where of the thousands of athletes in wrestling/hockey/etc we only hear about the few kids rumored to be getting an NIL deal to, e.g., jump from CHL to NCAA. But we don't hear about the 90% of blue chippers in the CHL who
don't make the jump. These one-off cases (often pure rumor and/or with scant detail) don't really prove anything. Until someone looks into money in college hockey on a wider scale we just don't know anything.
Quote from: BearLover on January 29, 2026, 03:34:15 PMAs it stands though, college programs other than big-time football and basketball struggle to stay afloat with the donations they have.
My general response to this is that I think a lot of athletic department accounting borrows a lot from Hollywood accounting, though with different motivations. The universities we are talking about are generally NFP and the point of an NFP is not to show a profit - there are even disincentives to showing a profit. I think a lot of the Poor Me you see from a lot of programs/sports is bullshit.
Quote from: BearLover on January 29, 2026, 10:05:00 AMQuote from: adamw on January 29, 2026, 09:37:42 AMQuote from: Iceberg on January 29, 2026, 07:15:16 AMQuote from: stereax on January 28, 2026, 10:01:15 PMQuote from: underskill on January 28, 2026, 09:29:25 PMHe's taking FMLA leave per CHN
Starting Feb 20. And then when he comes back, will be "transitioning" into a new role in athletics and they'll be looking for a new HC.
Overdue. Brown has needed a new HC for a while but they may actually get someone much better (i.e. Gaudet for Cashman at Dartmouth)
Not sure Cashman has yet proven to be better than Gaudet.
Wut. In 23 years at Dartmouth Gaudet never made the NCAA tournament and never even made it to the ECAC final.
Well Gaudet took Brown -- BROWN! -- to an NCAA Tournament, as an at-large. Their last appearance. He also won an ECAC regular-season title with Dartmouth, and had numerous teams in the 16-20 range of Pairwise. The amount of times they fell agonizingly short was remarkable, in the 2000-2010 era. Also put numerous players into the NHL in that span - from Dartmouth!
Cashman hasn't made an NCAA Tournament - yet. Last season he finally got to 18 wins - something Gaudet did there 6 times. Gaudet is easily the most successful coach at Dartmouth since WW II - with a couple blips of weirdness in 1979, 1980 - when he was the actually the goalie.
Cashman may very well turn out to be a great coach. To say that he's already proven to be better than Gaudet because of one 18-win season in five years, is pretty ridiculous.
Quote from: BearLover on January 29, 2026, 03:34:15 PMQuote from: marty on January 29, 2026, 01:32:25 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 29, 2026, 10:40:35 AMQuote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
For an idea of NIL in a sport that isn't football or basketball, Bill helpfully linked to a story I was going to put here in the wrestling thread (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=278569). An elite 125 pounder who had committed to Cornell "pulled his committment" - though it is generally believed that his gap year grades at FLCC weren't good enough for Admissions. After reopening his recruiting, he stayed near home, at Rutgers, for $200K a year. So, yes, I assume there is a lot of hockey NIL money floating around even if the public information is sparse.
And if it's something other than $200K no one cares. At least almost no one. And no one is entitled to that knowledge. Most understand this - but sadly not all.
Setting aside that this is another swipe at me (which is most of your posts, please find a new hobby), the substance of your post makes zero sense. No one is entitled to information about anything. Stories get reported when there is public interest. By your logic no athlete's contract should be reported on? What about other happenings to athletes, or happenings to people outside the sports world? Why should the public be entitled to information about anything??? What are you even talking about dude
As to ugarte's post, yes, it always just takes one crazy donor somewhere to pay a kid $200K. As it stands though, college programs other than big-time football and basketball struggle to stay afloat with the donations they have. One instance of a large payout does not indicate what is the norm. There's also a survivorship bias type of thing going on where of the thousands of athletes in wrestling/hockey/etc we only hear about the few kids rumored to be getting an NIL deal to, e.g., jump from CHL to NCAA. But we don't hear about the 90% of blue chippers in the CHL who don't make the jump. These one-off cases (often pure rumor and/or with scant detail) don't really prove anything. Until someone looks into money in college hockey on a wider scale we just don't know anything.
Love the way you ignore the premise that the dollar amount is not as important as the fact that NIL does sway players.
Now please waste another 15 minutes responding.
Quote from: adamw on January 29, 2026, 05:41:39 PMCashman hasn't made an NCAA Tournament - yet. Last season he finally got to 18 wins - something Gaudet did there 6 times. Gaudet is easily the most successful coach at Dartmouth since WW II - with a couple blips of weirdness in 1979, 1980 - when he was the actually the goalie.
Cashman may very well turn out to be a great coach. To say that he's already proven to be better than Gaudet because of one 18-win season in five years, is pretty ridiculous.
But by starting at Dartmouth during the Covid blackout, he's had a bigger uphill battle than Gaudet ever did. The Ivies are just now putting the ramification of those lost games behind them.
It's hard to compare coaches across different decades and different years of experience. If you compare Gaudet's first five years at Dartmonth to Cashman's, Cashman's record is clearly better. I do agree it will be a more compelling case when Cashman has had more seasons to regress to the mean but doesn't.
Quote from: marty on January 29, 2026, 07:43:20 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 29, 2026, 03:34:15 PMQuote from: marty on January 29, 2026, 01:32:25 PMQuote from: ugarte on January 29, 2026, 10:40:35 AMQuote from: ugarte on January 27, 2026, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 27, 2026, 03:37:20 PMI've also yet to see an explanation provided for where the money would be coming from. Take Cornell for example. We do not have NIL or rev share, but let's imagine a world where tomorrow the Ivy League opts into the House settlement (so Ivies can rev share), and also Cornell goes ahead and sets up an NIL fund that donors can contribute to. That in itself changes absolutely nothing. That's because Cornell athletics runs at a deficit, and Cornell hockey itself already uses every donation it gets just to sustain its facilities, recruiting, etc. So you would need huge ongoing donations on top of all that to pay players. That's life for almost every non-power 5 school in the country, and even the power 5 schools are resorting to measures such as jacking up ticket prices just to keep up with football rev sharing. Money doesn't grow on trees and NIL/rev share funding doesn't either.
Just as a thought experiment, I think the answer may lie in how direct an impact your money is going to have. In other words, some well-heeled donors may be more willing to buy a five-star recruit than they are to throw cash into the fungible pot of money that Cornell, Athletics or the hockey team get to distribute. Friedman bought a wrestling facility with his name on it, donors are enticed by having their names on endowed positions. You're targeting a very specific class of donor when you ask them to jump in the NIL game.
For an idea of NIL in a sport that isn't football or basketball, Bill helpfully linked to a story I was going to put here in the wrestling thread (https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=278569). An elite 125 pounder who had committed to Cornell "pulled his committment" - though it is generally believed that his gap year grades at FLCC weren't good enough for Admissions. After reopening his recruiting, he stayed near home, at Rutgers, for $200K a year. So, yes, I assume there is a lot of hockey NIL money floating around even if the public information is sparse.
And if it's something other than $200K no one cares. At least almost no one. And no one is entitled to that knowledge. Most understand this - but sadly not all.
Setting aside that this is another swipe at me (which is most of your posts, please find a new hobby), the substance of your post makes zero sense. No one is entitled to information about anything. Stories get reported when there is public interest. By your logic no athlete's contract should be reported on? What about other happenings to athletes, or happenings to people outside the sports world? Why should the public be entitled to information about anything??? What are you even talking about dude
As to ugarte's post, yes, it always just takes one crazy donor somewhere to pay a kid $200K. As it stands though, college programs other than big-time football and basketball struggle to stay afloat with the donations they have. One instance of a large payout does not indicate what is the norm. There's also a survivorship bias type of thing going on where of the thousands of athletes in wrestling/hockey/etc we only hear about the few kids rumored to be getting an NIL deal to, e.g., jump from CHL to NCAA. But we don't hear about the 90% of blue chippers in the CHL who don't make the jump. These one-off cases (often pure rumor and/or with scant detail) don't really prove anything. Until someone looks into money in college hockey on a wider scale we just don't know anything.
Love the way you ignore the premise that the dollar amount is not as important as the fact that NIL does sway players.
Now please waste another 15 minutes responding.
I truly have no idea what you're trying to say. NIL obviously sways players and it obviously depends on the dollar amount. What???
Quote from: pjd8 on January 29, 2026, 07:47:54 PMQuote from: adamw on January 29, 2026, 05:41:39 PMCashman hasn't made an NCAA Tournament - yet. Last season he finally got to 18 wins - something Gaudet did there 6 times. Gaudet is easily the most successful coach at Dartmouth since WW II - with a couple blips of weirdness in 1979, 1980 - when he was the actually the goalie.
Cashman may very well turn out to be a great coach. To say that he's already proven to be better than Gaudet because of one 18-win season in five years, is pretty ridiculous.
But by starting at Dartmouth during the Covid blackout, he's had a bigger uphill battle than Gaudet ever did. The Ivies are just now putting the ramification of those lost games behind them.
It's hard to compare coaches across different decades and different years of experience. If you compare Gaudet's first five years at Dartmonth to Cashman's, Cashman's record is clearly better. I do agree it will be a more compelling case when Cashman has had more seasons to regress to the mean but doesn't.
clearly better in what way? Gaudet took over an absolutely wretched program. Now let's see what happens in years 6-10, when Gaudet won 20,14 (w/ 9 ties),20,19,18
Quote from: adamw on January 29, 2026, 08:17:57 PMQuote from: pjd8 on January 29, 2026, 07:47:54 PMQuote from: adamw on January 29, 2026, 05:41:39 PMCashman hasn't made an NCAA Tournament - yet. Last season he finally got to 18 wins - something Gaudet did there 6 times. Gaudet is easily the most successful coach at Dartmouth since WW II - with a couple blips of weirdness in 1979, 1980 - when he was the actually the goalie.
Cashman may very well turn out to be a great coach. To say that he's already proven to be better than Gaudet because of one 18-win season in five years, is pretty ridiculous.
But by starting at Dartmouth during the Covid blackout, he's had a bigger uphill battle than Gaudet ever did. The Ivies are just now putting the ramification of those lost games behind them.
It's hard to compare coaches across different decades and different years of experience. If you compare Gaudet's first five years at Dartmonth to Cashman's, Cashman's record is clearly better. I do agree it will be a more compelling case when Cashman has had more seasons to regress to the mean but doesn't.
clearly better in what way? Gaudet took over an absolutely wretched program. Now let's see what happens in years 6-10, when Gaudet won 20,14 (w/ 9 ties),20,19,18
To get some kind of apples-to-apples comparison, I'm looking at each coach's record in their first five years at Dartmouth. (Yes, I realize there is a two decade difference that is not insignificant.)
In Gaudet's first five years at Dartmouth, he took a team that was just under .500 and brought them just over .500. In Cashman's first five years at Dartmouth, he took a team that was well under .500 and has them well above .500.
Their winning percentages are very close. But if I'm hiring a coach based solely on this data, it's a no-brainier to hire Cashman. It's the trend line that matters. Gaudet went from 11-13-5 to 14-13-5. Cashman has gone from 7-22-3 to 14-6-1 (so far this year). If Dartmouth wins five more games, they'll have more wins than last year, and with RPI x 2, Yale, Brown, and two quarterfinal ECAC games to go, they should be able to clear that mark.
This is no way diminishes what Gaudet has done. It just suggests that Cashman might have a higher potential ceiling. He'll still have to prove out that optimism over time.
Quote from: pjd8 on January 30, 2026, 03:24:07 PMQuote from: adamw on January 29, 2026, 08:17:57 PMQuote from: pjd8 on January 29, 2026, 07:47:54 PMQuote from: adamw on January 29, 2026, 05:41:39 PMCashman hasn't made an NCAA Tournament - yet. Last season he finally got to 18 wins - something Gaudet did there 6 times. Gaudet is easily the most successful coach at Dartmouth since WW II - with a couple blips of weirdness in 1979, 1980 - when he was the actually the goalie.
Cashman may very well turn out to be a great coach. To say that he's already proven to be better than Gaudet because of one 18-win season in five years, is pretty ridiculous.
But by starting at Dartmouth during the Covid blackout, he's had a bigger uphill battle than Gaudet ever did. The Ivies are just now putting the ramification of those lost games behind them.
It's hard to compare coaches across different decades and different years of experience. If you compare Gaudet's first five years at Dartmonth to Cashman's, Cashman's record is clearly better. I do agree it will be a more compelling case when Cashman has had more seasons to regress to the mean but doesn't.
clearly better in what way? Gaudet took over an absolutely wretched program. Now let's see what happens in years 6-10, when Gaudet won 20,14 (w/ 9 ties),20,19,18
To get some kind of apples-to-apples comparison, I'm looking at each coach's record in their first five years at Dartmouth. (Yes, I realize there is a two decade difference that is not insignificant.)
In Gaudet's first five years at Dartmouth, he took a team that was just under .500 and brought them just over .500. In Cashman's first five years at Dartmouth, he took a team that was well under .500 and has them well above .500.
Their winning percentages are very close. But if I'm hiring a coach based solely on this data, it's a no-brainier to hire Cashman. It's the trend line that matters. Gaudet went from 11-13-5 to 14-13-5. Cashman has gone from 7-22-3 to 14-6-1 (so far this year). If Dartmouth wins five more games, they'll have more wins than last year, and with RPI x 2, Yale, Brown, and two quarterfinal ECAC games to go, they should be able to clear that mark.
This is no way diminishes what Gaudet has done. It just suggests that Cashman might have a higher potential ceiling. He'll still have to prove out that optimism over time.
well, that doesn't sound "clearly better" anymore :) .... but to beat this dead horse further ... there were extenuating circumstances behind how far Dartmouth dropped, so it was a bit easier for Cashman to spring it back from the Covid debacle than how Gaudet had to do it in his first five years. The year before Gaudet took over was 10 wins, but that was a high water mark for a program that had been wretched for 15 years at that point. Covid notwithstanding, Dartmouth hockey, as a program, was in much better shape when Cashman took over.
Maine up 2-1 over Providence (good)
Quinnipiac up 2-1 over Clarkson (bad) Clarkson took 5 minute major and Q capitalized
Omaha up 3-1 over WMU (good)
Minnesota up 4-1 over Wisconsin (good)
Dartmouth and RPI tied at 0 halfway through (good but RPI somehow winning would be great)
So far important games for the NPI are mostly trending our way
Did y'all know Providence goalie Jack Parsons is apparently from Ithaca? As per the broadcast.
Is there any way to improve the lighting in Lynah so we can actually see the puck on stream? Watching some other games around the country tonight and all of them are crystal clear.
good thing we won this game between the kids in basketball and the catastrophe in wrestling.
Prov ties with 5.6 to go. Holy shit.
Quote from: stereax on January 31, 2026, 09:30:18 PMProv ties with 5.6 to go. Holy shit.
And Providence wins in OT. What a game. Play under review, but went straight in, looks like.
That fucking blows
Clarkson beats Q in a SO.
Dartmouth now on 33 pts through 15 games
Cornell and Q on 32 through 14.
Clarkson came back from 3-1 down to beat Q in a shootout, so we gained 2 points in the standings on Q.
Princeton has totally fallen apart since we barely beat them. They lost to St Lawrence tonight.
Quote from: Chris '03 on January 31, 2026, 10:03:11 PMClarkson beats Q in a SO.
Dartmouth now on 33 pts through 15 games
Cornell and Q on 32 through 14.
Quinnipiac loses, America wins.
If you didn't already, have to feel pretty good about the chances of a top 4 seed and a bye with Princeton's struggles. I know everyone is dreaming much bigger, myself included.
St. Thomas losing to Michigan Tech and dropping from 11 to 13 is good for us too. Getting into the tournament is way more important than seeding, so even if we are currently 7th it's still important what happens below us.
Also worth nothing that through 9 Ivy games, Cornell is now at 23 pts with @P remaining. Only Dartmouth can catch Cornell. They have 13 points but four games left (@H, @Y, @B, P)
So the Ivy title magic number is two points to share, three to win.
Quote from: stereax on January 31, 2026, 09:05:22 PMDid y'all know Providence goalie Jack Parsons is apparently from Ithaca? As per the broadcast.
Yeah he played against us a couple years ago with the USNTDP. Played a good game and had a lot of family here. Too bad we couldn't get him but we're doing great in goal anyway
Another Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
Quote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
Do we land the Ithacan kids, ever?
Quote from: stereax on January 31, 2026, 11:32:25 PMQuote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
Do we land the Ithacan kids, ever?
Andy Iles.
Quote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
We whiffed on Dennis, Parsons, and William Moore, second round draft pick who grew up in Ithaca and whose grandfather was a literal Cornell professor. Have to believe they were on our coaches' radar. Unbelievable we couldn't get any of these guys. Maybe Casey can change that.
Quote from: LGR14 on January 31, 2026, 11:34:53 PMQuote from: stereax on January 31, 2026, 11:32:25 PMQuote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
Do we land the Ithacan kids, ever?
Andy Iles.
Not the answer.
Quote from: BearLover on January 31, 2026, 11:38:07 PMQuote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
We whiffed on Dennis, Parsons, and William Moore, second round draft pick who grew up in Ithaca and whose grandfather was a literal Cornell professor. Have to believe they were on our coaches' radar. Unbelievable we couldn't get any of these guys. Maybe Casey can change that.
You don't think local kids might want to move and experience college in a different area from where they grew up? It doesn't matter who is coach if that is the case.
Quote from: cth95 on January 31, 2026, 11:47:53 PMQuote from: BearLover on January 31, 2026, 11:38:07 PMQuote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
We whiffed on Dennis, Parsons, and William Moore, second round draft pick who grew up in Ithaca and whose grandfather was a literal Cornell professor. Have to believe they were on our coaches' radar. Unbelievable we couldn't get any of these guys. Maybe Casey can change that.
You don't think local kids might want to move and experience college in a different area from where they grew up? It doesn't matter who is coach if that is the case.
Some yes. Some no. Likely all of them attended games at Lynah growing up and would have been attracted to the atmosphere. At least one of these kids was a Cornell legacy. I would guess these kids would at least be intrigued by the idea of playing for Cornell. (Also, all had already been away from home for junior hockey.)
Quote from: BearLover on January 31, 2026, 11:38:07 PMQuote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
We whiffed on Dennis, Parsons, and William Moore, second round draft pick who grew up in Ithaca and whose grandfather was a literal Cornell professor. Have to believe they were on our coaches' radar. Unbelievable we couldn't get any of these guys. Maybe Casey can change that.
Missed on that Dustin Brown kid, too... ;)
Quote from: Chris '03 on January 31, 2026, 11:39:23 PMQuote from: LGR14 on January 31, 2026, 11:34:53 PMQuote from: stereax on January 31, 2026, 11:32:25 PMQuote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
Do we land the Ithacan kids, ever?
Andy Iles.
Not the answer.
"PM me for details."
Quote from: stereax on January 31, 2026, 09:30:18 PMProv ties with 5.6 to go. Holy shit.
Maine hangs on and we're 6th in NPI this morning.
Certainly happy with 7th, but wow!
Quote from: BearLover on January 31, 2026, 11:38:07 PMQuote from: chimpfood on January 31, 2026, 11:15:07 PMAnother Ithaca kid we probably regret not getting is Cooper Dennis. He has 53 points in 47 OHL games and is going to Michigan next season. But he is 5'6
We whiffed on Dennis, Parsons, and William Moore, second round draft pick who grew up in Ithaca and whose grandfather was a literal Cornell professor. Have to believe they were on our coaches' radar. Unbelievable we couldn't get any of these guys. Maybe Casey can change that.
There are a lot of things that RPI doesn't teach. What is a "literal professor"? Did you mean a professor of literature? Or maybe a "littoral professor" has something to do with lakes
Interesting fact from Saturday night's shoot-out between Clarkson and Q. Entering the shoot-out, Clarkson shooters were 0-for-12 in shoot-outs this season. When Clarkson failed to score on its first two shots, that ran its streak to 14. But then Clarkson's next three shooters each scored against Q's sieve, ending the streak of futility and giving Clarkson the shoot-out victory, 3-2.
Quote from: dbilmes on February 01, 2026, 01:36:52 PMInteresting fact from Saturday night's shoot-out between Clarkson and Q. Entering the shoot-out, Clarkson shooters were 0-for-12 in shoot-outs this season. When Clarkson failed to score on its first two shots, that ran its streak to 14. But then Clarkson's next three shooters each scored against Q's sieve, ending the streak of futility and giving Clarkson the shoot-out victory, 3-2.
Sis (Cornell 2001) and I flipped that on after the Cornell game, we were firmly Team Clarkson, of course. So fun! Andon Cerbone is undeniably very talented... which is why it was extra enjoyable watching him NOT get his chance off.
Am I a bad person? Maybe. But this is New York—we call it honesty.
Spite is a sin IRL but a virtue in sports.
Northeastern scores on the PP, 1-0 over BU rn.
Quote from: stereax on February 02, 2026, 08:39:45 PMNortheastern scores on the PP, 1-0 over BU rn.
To OT we go, 2-2.
Quote from: stereax on February 02, 2026, 10:49:05 PMQuote from: stereax on February 02, 2026, 08:39:45 PMNortheastern scores on the PP, 1-0 over BU rn.
To OT we go, 2-2.
what an INSANE OT. goal waved off, goalie possibly hurt but not... shootout.
Quote from: stereax on February 02, 2026, 11:03:14 PMQuote from: stereax on February 02, 2026, 10:49:05 PMQuote from: stereax on February 02, 2026, 08:39:45 PMNortheastern scores on the PP, 1-0 over BU rn.
To OT we go, 2-2.
what an INSANE OT. goal waved off, goalie possibly hurt but not... shootout.
BU wins in the shootout, holy fuck what a GAME.
Quote from: BearLover on January 31, 2026, 10:48:44 PMSt. Thomas losing to Michigan Tech and dropping from 11 to 13 is good for us too. Getting into the tournament is way more important than seeding, so even if we are currently 7th it's still important what happens below us.
I understand your point, but I can't agree with your statement.
It's not more important, it's 2 different things.
If someone is talking about seeding, it means they are theoretically already assuming we're in.
I certainly agree that for now the biggest worry is IN.
But I can also be happy to think we might be a 2.
As we wait in joyful hope for the day Q gives up the charade and joins Hockey East, I wonder whether either Middlebury or Williams could be coaxed back up to D-1. It would nice to bring one of the OG programs of eastern hockey, the Tri-State League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-State_League_(ice_hockey)), back into the ECAC fold.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on February 03, 2026, 10:28:34 AMQuote from: BearLover on January 31, 2026, 10:48:44 PMSt. Thomas losing to Michigan Tech and dropping from 11 to 13 is good for us too. Getting into the tournament is way more important than seeding, so even if we are currently 7th it's still important what happens below us.
I understand your point, but I can't agree with your statement.
It's not more important, it's 2 different things.
If someone is talking about seeding, it means they are theoretically already assuming we're in.
I certainly agree that for now the biggest worry is IN.
But I can also be happy to think we might be a 2.
A Prisoners Dilemma scenario to clarify this.
There are 2 games remaining before the tourny draw. 8 Providence plays 13 BC in the HE final earlier, 12 Cornell plays 7 Q in the ECAC final later.
Crosstab of results (winners in parens)
(Providence, Cornell): Cornell auto bid, seeded 3 band
(BC, Cornell): Cornell auto bid, seeded 2 band
(Providence, Q): Cornell seeded 3 band
(BC, Q): Cornell out of tournament
Does
anybody root for BC?
Did y'all hear that Gavin McKenna is being accused of felony assault??? (https://x.com/i/status/2019165380946870611)
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Quote from: stereax on February 04, 2026, 05:21:40 PMDid y'all hear that Gavin McKenna is being accused of felony assault??? (https://x.com/i/status/2019165380946870611)
reads a lot like a bar fight and not a lot of randos are going to win that fight with gavin mckenna
Quote from: ugarte on February 04, 2026, 06:29:10 PMQuote from: stereax on February 04, 2026, 05:21:40 PMDid y'all hear that Gavin McKenna is being accused of felony assault??? (https://x.com/i/status/2019165380946870611)
reads a lot like a bar fight and not a lot of randos are going to win that fight with gavin mckenna
Sounds about right. Supposedly the guy he clocked was calling McKenna's mother a "bitch"/"whore".
"Well, what if somebody calls my momma a whore?"
"Is she?"
Eh, more people need to get punched in the face these days. I'm just impressed the guy can break a jaw at a generous 6 foot 170.
RPI has received commitments from two additional players, Jordan Gavin and Caleb Hadland, both teammates of previously posted recruit Grayson Burzynski at Brandon (WHL). All 13 recruits listed by Chris Heisenberg, not all for 2026, have family names in the first half of the alphabet. Wise recruiting. :D
Quote from: Give My Regards on February 04, 2026, 09:07:01 PM"Well, what if somebody calls my momma a whore?"
"Is she?"
"Nobody wins a fight."
Quote from: chimpfood on February 04, 2026, 09:09:52 PMEh, more people need to get punched in the face these days. I'm just impressed the guy can break a jaw at a generous 6 foot 170.
I'm kinda torn between being anti-violence generally/thinking fighting shouldn't be in hockey and, well, agreeing that more people need to get punched in the face these days.
Quote from: Dafatone on February 05, 2026, 10:11:14 AMQuote from: chimpfood on February 04, 2026, 09:09:52 PMEh, more people need to get punched in the face these days. I'm just impressed the guy can break a jaw at a generous 6 foot 170.
I'm kinda torn between being anti-violence generally/thinking fighting shouldn't be in hockey and, well, agreeing that more people need to get punched in the face these days.
The problem with non-violence is other people.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 05, 2026, 11:36:33 AMQuote from: Dafatone on February 05, 2026, 10:11:14 AMQuote from: chimpfood on February 04, 2026, 09:09:52 PMEh, more people need to get punched in the face these days. I'm just impressed the guy can break a jaw at a generous 6 foot 170.
I'm kinda torn between being anti-violence generally/thinking fighting shouldn't be in hockey and, well, agreeing that more people need to get punched in the face these days.
The problem with non-violence is other people.
Amen. Legally, what a dumbass. Morally - if the story is true that the other guy was running his mouth about McKenna's mother... good for him for sticking up for her.
Quote from: stereax on February 04, 2026, 05:21:40 PMDid y'all hear that Gavin McKenna is being accused of felony assault??? (https://x.com/i/status/2019165380946870611)
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felony charges dropped but not all charges
Quote from: ugarte on February 06, 2026, 01:36:59 PMQuote from: stereax on February 04, 2026, 05:21:40 PMDid y'all hear that Gavin McKenna is being accused of felony assault??? (https://x.com/i/status/2019165380946870611)
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felony charges dropped but not all charges
Yep. (https://x.com/i/status/2019838120230039730)
Upon further review of video evidence, prosecutors believe that McKenna "did not act with the intent to cause serious bodily harm nor did he recklessly act with extreme indifference to the value of human life."
Thus, officials say they will be withdrawing the aggravated assault charge against McKenna.As per a friend from PA, cops notoriously overcharge with agg assault there and relatively few of those stick.
McKenna is still being charged with the misdemeanors, though, so still a fun thing to follow.
Quote from: stereax on February 05, 2026, 01:11:44 PMLegally, what a dumbass. Morally - if the story is true that the other guy was running his mouth about McKenna's mother... good for him for sticking up for her.
No. Stop that. You are young. You little non-neck monsters are supposed to be past all that.
Beating somebody up for insulting your mother is just the act of a moron who:
(A) has watched too much TV
(B) is not confident in his masculinity
(C) has compelling questions about his mother's erotic versatility
If a drunk frat boy says he fucked my mom, I'm not going to punch him. I'm going to buy him a beer. Bitch is 100. That cannot have been an easy ride.
If he punched him with his fist, I do not see how it could ever had been aggravated assault. Isn't that when you break a bottle or use a chair leg?
Unless because he's a hockey player they're saying his fists are weapons, like a boxer, which... nah.
A nun, though. Holy shit. They don't need rulers, trust me.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 06, 2026, 02:24:57 PMIf he punched him with his fist, I do not see how it could ever had been aggravated assault. Isn't that when you break a bottle or use a chair leg?
Unless because he's a hockey player they're saying his fists are weapons, like a boxer, which... nah.
A nun, though. Holy shit. They don't need rulers, trust me.
Again... aggravated assault is defined in PA as:
"act[ing] with the intent to cause serious bodily harm [or] recklessly act[ing] with extreme indifference to the value of human life."Nowhere does it say you need to use any weapon.
Quote from: stereax on February 06, 2026, 02:34:49 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 06, 2026, 02:24:57 PMIf he punched him with his fist, I do not see how it could ever had been aggravated assault. Isn't that when you break a bottle or use a chair leg?
Unless because he's a hockey player they're saying his fists are weapons, like a boxer, which... nah.
A nun, though. Holy shit. They don't need rulers, trust me.
Again... aggravated assault is defined in PA as:
"act[ing] with the intent to cause serious bodily harm [or] recklessly act[ing] with extreme indifference to the value of human life."
Nowhere does it say you need to use any weapon.
Sorry I missed it if you said this before.
When the fuck do you
ever punch somebody without intent to cause serious bodily harm?
Is it just really awkward flirting?
Quote from: Trotsky on February 06, 2026, 04:53:58 PMQuote from: stereax on February 06, 2026, 02:34:49 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 06, 2026, 02:24:57 PMIf he punched him with his fist, I do not see how it could ever had been aggravated assault. Isn't that when you break a bottle or use a chair leg?
Unless because he's a hockey player they're saying his fists are weapons, like a boxer, which... nah.
A nun, though. Holy shit. They don't need rulers, trust me.
Again... aggravated assault is defined in PA as:
"act[ing] with the intent to cause serious bodily harm [or] recklessly act[ing] with extreme indifference to the value of human life."
Nowhere does it say you need to use any weapon.
Sorry I missed it if you said this before.
When the fuck do you ever punch somebody without intent to cause serious bodily harm?
Is it just really awkward flirting?
I think it's the difference between "intent to hurt you a bit, leave a bruise" and "intent to leave you in a heap on the floor convulsing"...
RPI up on Clarkson in the 2nd. Better to watch this than listen to the colornouncer.
Q is blowing out Brown but the more surprising and impactful event in UVM blowing out BC, which could have some NPI implications in the lower seed positions
RPI hung on 4-3 win and season sweep of Clarkson.
Ben Robertson has cooled off recently. Still no goals on the season and he has two points since November, both of which are secondary assists.
Quote from: chimpfood on February 07, 2026, 12:08:55 AMBen Robertson has cooled off recently. Still no goals on the season and he has two points since November, both of which are secondary assists.
Karma, or BearLover's voodoo doll is working. :-) (For the record, I think it's perfectly fine that Ben R is in BL's dog house; that's how sports tribalism works.)
Q slaps Brown silly, winning 9-1, yet drops a spot in the NPI. That's going to stick in Pecknold's craw.
Quote from: stereax on February 05, 2026, 01:11:44 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 05, 2026, 11:36:33 AMQuote from: Dafatone on February 05, 2026, 10:11:14 AMQuote from: chimpfood on February 04, 2026, 09:09:52 PMEh, more people need to get punched in the face these days. I'm just impressed the guy can break a jaw at a generous 6 foot 170.
I'm kinda torn between being anti-violence generally/thinking fighting shouldn't be in hockey and, well, agreeing that more people need to get punched in the face these days.
The problem with non-violence is other people.
Amen. Legally, what a dumbass. Morally - if the story is true that the other guy was running his mouth about McKenna's mother... good for him for sticking up for her.
Yeah, like if it was truly felony assault, his mother would have been happy that he stood up for her and now she can visit him in jail. Real happy.
Sometimes you call someone a jackass and walk away.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on February 07, 2026, 04:36:02 PMQuote from: stereax on February 05, 2026, 01:11:44 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 05, 2026, 11:36:33 AMQuote from: Dafatone on February 05, 2026, 10:11:14 AMQuote from: chimpfood on February 04, 2026, 09:09:52 PMEh, more people need to get punched in the face these days. I'm just impressed the guy can break a jaw at a generous 6 foot 170.
I'm kinda torn between being anti-violence generally/thinking fighting shouldn't be in hockey and, well, agreeing that more people need to get punched in the face these days.
The problem with non-violence is other people.
Amen. Legally, what a dumbass. Morally - if the story is true that the other guy was running his mouth about McKenna's mother... good for him for sticking up for her.
Yeah, like if it was truly felony assault, his mother would have been happy that he stood up for her and now she can visit him in jail. Real happy.
Sometimes you call someone a jackass and walk away.
From the main "story" going around, sounds like the "jackass" was harassing them in the bar and also waited outside the bar to continue the harassment. A little tough to just walk away. (A few stories also say the guy was trying to get handsy with McKenna's mom. Not sure how much that holds.)
Plus, 18yo, semi-famous athlete, first time offense, with all this in mind... very low chance they actually land the felony, even if they prosecuted for it, especially with the PA definition of agg assault.
Sure, should he have done it? No, bad idea either way, and he's still facing (some) legal consequences. This hopefully teaches him a valuable lesson about off-ice violence. But still.
Battle of the sieves at Cheel. 6-5 in the third. Makes no difference whose ahead because there will be at least 3 more scored. 14:30 left.
Now tied at 7!!
Quote from: marty on February 07, 2026, 06:05:14 PMBattle of the sieves at Cheel. 6-5 in the third. Makes no difference whose ahead because there will be at least 3 more scored. 14:30 left.
Now tied at 7!!
Welcome back to 1978 ECAC hockey!
Final 8-7 Clarkson in OT. Wow.
Quote from: scoop85 on February 07, 2026, 06:28:59 PMQuote from: marty on February 07, 2026, 06:05:14 PMBattle of the sieves at Cheel. 6-5 in the third. Makes no difference whose ahead because there will be at least 3 more scored. 14:30 left.
Now tied at 7!!
Welcome back to 1978 ECAC hockey!
Back then you never heard the announcer say: "When Pottstown scores first they win 87% of the time.". First goal was just the opening bid.
Firewagon hockey (https://www.uscho.com/gameday/division-i-men/2025-2026/2026-02-07/union-vs-clarkson).
Quote from: stereax on February 07, 2026, 05:04:48 PMQuote from: Jim Hyla on February 07, 2026, 04:36:02 PMQuote from: stereax on February 05, 2026, 01:11:44 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 05, 2026, 11:36:33 AMQuote from: Dafatone on February 05, 2026, 10:11:14 AMQuote from: chimpfood on February 04, 2026, 09:09:52 PMEh, more people need to get punched in the face these days. I'm just impressed the guy can break a jaw at a generous 6 foot 170.
I'm kinda torn between being anti-violence generally/thinking fighting shouldn't be in hockey and, well, agreeing that more people need to get punched in the face these days.
The problem with non-violence is other people.
Amen. Legally, what a dumbass. Morally - if the story is true that the other guy was running his mouth about McKenna's mother... good for him for sticking up for her.
Yeah, like if it was truly felony assault, his mother would have been happy that he stood up for her and now she can visit him in jail. Real happy.
Sometimes you call someone a jackass and walk away.
From the main "story" going around, sounds like the "jackass" was harassing them in the bar and also waited outside the bar to continue the harassment. A little tough to just walk away. (A few stories also say the guy was trying to get handsy with McKenna's mom. Not sure how much that holds.)
Plus, 18yo, semi-famous athlete, first time offense, with all this in mind... very low chance they actually land the felony, even if they prosecuted for it, especially with the PA definition of agg assault.
Sure, should he have done it? No, bad idea either way, and he's still facing (some) legal consequences. This hopefully teaches him a valuable lesson about off-ice violence. But still.
I can't understand why it's tough to walk away? You just suck it up, say something if you want, and walk away.
You now say it was a bad idea, which seems to say he shouldn't have done it. That suggests you agree with me that walking away is best. But before you said "good for him for sticking up for her."
So was it good for him, or should he have been man enough to walk away?
Quote from: Jim Hyla on February 07, 2026, 10:12:17 PMQuote from: stereax on February 07, 2026, 05:04:48 PMQuote from: Jim Hyla on February 07, 2026, 04:36:02 PMQuote from: stereax on February 05, 2026, 01:11:44 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 05, 2026, 11:36:33 AMQuote from: Dafatone on February 05, 2026, 10:11:14 AMQuote from: chimpfood on February 04, 2026, 09:09:52 PMEh, more people need to get punched in the face these days. I'm just impressed the guy can break a jaw at a generous 6 foot 170.
I'm kinda torn between being anti-violence generally/thinking fighting shouldn't be in hockey and, well, agreeing that more people need to get punched in the face these days.
The problem with non-violence is other people.
Amen. Legally, what a dumbass. Morally - if the story is true that the other guy was running his mouth about McKenna's mother... good for him for sticking up for her.
Yeah, like if it was truly felony assault, his mother would have been happy that he stood up for her and now she can visit him in jail. Real happy.
Sometimes you call someone a jackass and walk away.
From the main "story" going around, sounds like the "jackass" was harassing them in the bar and also waited outside the bar to continue the harassment. A little tough to just walk away. (A few stories also say the guy was trying to get handsy with McKenna's mom. Not sure how much that holds.)
Plus, 18yo, semi-famous athlete, first time offense, with all this in mind... very low chance they actually land the felony, even if they prosecuted for it, especially with the PA definition of agg assault.
Sure, should he have done it? No, bad idea either way, and he's still facing (some) legal consequences. This hopefully teaches him a valuable lesson about off-ice violence. But still.
I can't understand why it's tough to walk away? You just suck it up, say something if you want, and walk away.
You now say it was a bad idea, which seems to say he shouldn't have done it. That suggests you agree with me that walking away is best. But before you said "good for him for sticking up for her."
So was it good for him, or should he have been man enough to walk away?
Both.
Should've walked away, at minimum because of the consequences attached but also probably just a bad idea in general to get into a bar fight. But good that he stuck up for her.
To all you bettors, there is no surer thing than Harvard in a consolation game.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 08, 2026, 11:32:52 AMTo all you bettors, there is no surer thing than Harvard in a consolation game.
?? They've actually done okay in consolation games: 20-25, by my tally. It's the fact that they've *played* in 45 consolation games that is eye-catching: 27-45 in the first round, with a significant amount of their success was stacked in the early years.
They are 3-17 in the first round over the last 20 years.
Don't shoot the clown, Robb.
Quote from: stereax on February 07, 2026, 10:22:59 PMBoth.
Should've walked away, at minimum because of the consequences attached but also probably just a bad idea in general to get into a bar fight. But good that he stuck up for her.
The idea that he was sticking up for his mom, was a Twitter rumor that took off like wildfire and is being talked about like it's fact. That is still not proven by any actual evidence at this point. Not saying it didn't happen - but no actual news site has reported this.
Quote from: adamw on February 08, 2026, 04:47:46 PMQuote from: stereax on February 07, 2026, 10:22:59 PMBoth.
Should've walked away, at minimum because of the consequences attached but also probably just a bad idea in general to get into a bar fight. But good that he stuck up for her.
The idea that he was sticking up for his mom, was a Twitter rumor that took off like wildfire and is being talked about like it's fact. That is still not proven by any actual evidence at this point. Not saying it didn't happen - but no actual news site has reported this.
That's why I keep mentioning the "stories" going around. There was one yarn, for instance, that the guy he hit was a bouncer who denied him a drink, but that seems to be debunked by now given that the victim was (I believe) identified as a PSU student studying immunology.
That being said, from CHN itself - (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/02/04_Report-Gavin-McKenna-Charged.php)
According to one source, another man was verbally harassing McKenna or a member of his family. After not stopping, the source said, McKenna got into it with the other man outside, and during a fight, threw a punch that broke the victim's jaw. Also interesting to note - as per this official report, (https://x.com/EvanRGSmith/status/2019843431250506225/photo/1) the fractures were on one side of the face and no missing tooth has been substantiated. (The fractures on one side makes more sense than both, given two punches thrown - it would make sense that McKenna's two [alleged] punches hit the same side, coming from the same fist. You could from both sides and two fists, but probably less likely.)
On McKenna news, Onward State (the PSU paper that broke the arrest news initially) reports his hearing has been postponed until March 11. (https://onwardstate.com/2026/02/09/gavin-mckennas-hearing-postponed-to-march-in-assault-case/)
Hopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.
Game graphic: Harvard 0-9-1 vs ranked opponents.
They lose the games they should lose.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.
I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore. Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500. So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.
IMHO.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 09, 2026, 06:58:07 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.
I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore. Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500. So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.
IMHO.
I'm not sure what you consider a "complete collapse," but pretty sure each one of Cornell/Dartmourh/Quinnipiac would miss the NCAA if it went, say, 4-4-1 the rest of the way.
BU looked like trash against us at MSG this season and it's not surprising the dumpster is still on fire. Down 4-1 to BC in the beanpot tonight. Unfortunately Cornell would have benefitted from BU winning and especially from BC losing.
Cornell mention on the Beanpot cast - apparently someone was gonna go to Colgate(?), but switched to BU when Casey Jones came to Cornell.
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:49:09 PMBU looked like trash against us at MSG this season and it's not surprising the dumpster is still on fire. Down 4-1 to BC in the beanpot tonight. Unfortunately Cornell would have benefitted from BU winning and especially from BC losing.
I ran the numbers in the NPI thread and it's so marginal it barely matters who wins this one.
But also, lol BU.
Quote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:49:38 PMCornell mention on the Beanpot cast - apparently someone was gonna go to Colgate(?), but switched to BU when Casey Jones came to Cornell.
Yeah, they said it wrong. Morello. (https://sports.yahoo.com/boston-bruins-prospect-makes-big-162421773.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI61jmECiPKgg6Qn13WXZPJTOVrbv28ZW9tOTpbTEnNPBCg3ZAIjs7ibtY1asTQzEcroqM7CPv4GFBlldUKGlZMKpGLFEoQ8k8vqMqFLGQlIRCnlzot1yKW67PihJLp5mfJNsAAR7lXLkNJ8QljFuhJp3jwjOUl6h2dCOUKafWGe) And it was Clarkson, which makes a lot more sense, LOL.
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:04:22 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 09, 2026, 06:58:07 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.
I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore. Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500. So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.
IMHO.
I'm not sure what you consider a "complete collapse," but pretty sure each one of Cornell/Dartmouth/Quinnipiac would miss the NCAA if it went, say, 4-4-1 the rest of the way.
For teams that are roughly at 0.750 win %, I would consider that a collapse.
Quote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:50:08 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:49:09 PMBU looked like trash against us at MSG this season and it's not surprising the dumpster is still on fire. Down 4-1 to BC in the beanpot tonight. Unfortunately Cornell would have benefitted from BU winning and especially from BC losing.
I ran the numbers in the NPI thread and it's so marginal it barely matters who wins this one.
But also, lol BU.
Quote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:47:26 PMBU on track to lose this. That would drop us to 56.14. If BU manages to come back and win this, we go up to 56.19. It's all so marginal.
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:04:22 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 09, 2026, 06:58:07 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.
I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore. Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500. So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.
IMHO.
I'm not sure what you consider a "complete collapse," but pretty sure each one of Cornell/Dartmourh/Quinnipiac would miss the NCAA if it went, say, 4-4-1 the rest of the way.
He said individual game.
Could somebody with more of the brainz than I (read: anyone reading this) please run NPI just changing our SLU win to a regulation loss and see what happens?
Edit: never mind it's very easy on CHN.
Keeping everything the same as now but changing our win over SLU to a regulation loss drops us to
11.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 10:16:33 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:04:22 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 09, 2026, 06:58:07 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.
I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore. Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500. So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.
IMHO.
I'm not sure what you consider a "complete collapse," but pretty sure each one of Cornell/Dartmourh/Quinnipiac would miss the NCAA if it went, say, 4-4-1 the rest of the way.
He said individual game.
I do think though that if we lost to SLU (again) we'd get hurt.
Could somebody with more of the brainz than I please run NPI just changing our SLU loss to a regulation win and see what happens?
We beat SLU 7-2.
Quote from: RichH on February 09, 2026, 10:20:20 PMWe beat SLU 7-2.
Error fixed above.
Bad brain irreparable.
Quote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:50:08 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:49:09 PMBU looked like trash against us at MSG this season and it's not surprising the dumpster is still on fire. Down 4-1 to BC in the beanpot tonight. Unfortunately Cornell would have benefitted from BU winning and especially from BC losing.
I ran the numbers in the NPI thread and it's so marginal it barely matters who wins this one.
But also, lol BU.
The outcome doesn't affect Cornell much directly but it does affect BC directly and that's the important thing here. BC is on the bubble and if Cornell sputters they'll be competing with BC for the final spots. So we want BC to lose.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 10:16:33 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:04:22 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 09, 2026, 06:58:07 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.
I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore. Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500. So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.
IMHO.
I'm not sure what you consider a "complete collapse," but pretty sure each one of Cornell/Dartmourh/Quinnipiac would miss the NCAA if it went, say, 4-4-1 the rest of the way.
He said individual game.
He was talking about the top 10-12 teams being set barring a "complete collapse." If 4-4-1 qualifies as a complete collapse then sure. 5-4 and thereabouts would be very sketchy too.
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 10:40:11 PMQuote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:50:08 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:49:09 PMBU looked like trash against us at MSG this season and it's not surprising the dumpster is still on fire. Down 4-1 to BC in the beanpot tonight. Unfortunately Cornell would have benefitted from BU winning and especially from BC losing.
I ran the numbers in the NPI thread and it's so marginal it barely matters who wins this one.
But also, lol BU.
The outcome doesn't affect Cornell much directly but it does affect BC directly and that's the important thing here. BC is on the bubble and if Cornell sputters they'll be competing with BC for the final spots. So we want BC to lose.
Ah, that's fair, yeah. Probably easier to just take care of business ourselves though.
https://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20
Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20
Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.
Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?
NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
Quote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20
Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.
Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?
NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:39:17 PMQuote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20
Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.
Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?
NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.
It's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
Quote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:39:17 PMQuote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20
Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.
Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?
NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.
It's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 10:38:07 PMQuote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:39:17 PMQuote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20
Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.
Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?
NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.
It's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.
I searched for "how much does denver university spend on hockey", and I discovered this:
https://nil-ncaa.com/
I have no idea how good a source this is, but if you scroll about 3/4 of the way down, it does compare revenue sharing by sport. Above that, shows the average net operating loss for FBS schools.
There's also an interesting quote from Troy Aikman. Basically, he wrote a check for a specific kid at UCLA, and the kid left after a year. Aikman said he's done with NIL.
From that link:
Athletic Department Annual Expenses
FY 2024 FY 2023 FY 2022 2-year % Increase
Yale 77,124,108 72,430,360 66,265,805 16%
Penn 56,137,691 46,277,380 44,747,142 25%
Princeton 47,797,015 44,300,839 37,118,165 29%
Harvard 43,636,552 39,568,660 32,850,494 33%
Brown 42,236,049 36,265,052 29,892,746 41%
Cornell 40,756,322 36,227,301 36,812,888 11%
Dartmouth 40,640,949 38,642,041 35,022,406 16%
Columbia 40,185,323 38,335,736 32,521,946 24%
Quote from: Trotsky on February 12, 2026, 01:25:41 AMFrom that link:
Athletic Department Annual Expenses
FY 2024 FY 2023 FY 2022 2-year % Increase
Yale 77,124,108 72,430,360 66,265,805 16%
Penn 56,137,691 46,277,380 44,747,142 25%
Princeton 47,797,015 44,300,839 37,118,165 29%
Harvard 43,636,552 39,568,660 32,850,494 33%
Brown 42,236,049 36,265,052 29,892,746 41%
Cornell 40,756,322 36,227,301 36,812,888 11%
Dartmouth 40,640,949 38,642,041 35,022,406 16%
Columbia 40,185,323 38,335,736 32,521,946 24%
The hell is Yale spending so much on?
Quote from: pjd8 on February 12, 2026, 12:07:06 AMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 10:38:07 PMQuote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:39:17 PMQuote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20
Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.
Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?
NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.
It's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.
I searched for "how much does denver university spend on hockey", and I discovered this:
https://nil-ncaa.com/
I have no idea how good a source this is, but if you scroll about 3/4 of the way down, it does compare revenue sharing by sport. Above that, shows the average net operating loss for FBS schools.
There's also an interesting quote from Troy Aikman. Basically, he wrote a check for a specific kid at UCLA, and the kid left after a year. Aikman said he's done with NIL.
Two things:
It is only power 5 schools included in the "estimates"
These numbers can vary greatly year to year, as you alluded to from the Aikman quote
For example, if Penn State is really paying McKenna 700K (as is rumored), that would itself massively affect the numbers but will change from season to season.
It's not hard to find stories about how a lot of NIL is off the books.
Even when the payoffs are legal, the factory schools still love to lie and cheat. They just like it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quote from: stereax on February 12, 2026, 09:35:02 AMQuote from: Trotsky on February 12, 2026, 01:25:41 AMFrom that link:
Athletic Department Annual Expenses
FY 2024 FY 2023 FY 2022 2-year % Increase
Yale 77,124,108 72,430,360 66,265,805 16%
Penn 56,137,691 46,277,380 44,747,142 25%
Princeton 47,797,015 44,300,839 37,118,165 29%
Harvard 43,636,552 39,568,660 32,850,494 33%
Brown 42,236,049 36,265,052 29,892,746 41%
Cornell 40,756,322 36,227,301 36,812,888 11%
Dartmouth 40,640,949 38,642,041 35,022,406 16%
Columbia 40,185,323 38,335,736 32,521,946 24%
The hell is Yale spending so much on?
This led me down a rabbit hole, and Yale managed to spend nearly $25,000 (https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1886/12/7/yales-athletic-expenses-the-average-yearly/) on a handful of sports in 1886. (Nearly $900,000 in 2025 money, according to one calculator.)
On this week's CHN podcast, when talking about Ethan Wyttenbach, Quinnipiac freshman leading the country in scoring (and it's not even close), Adam Wodon mentioned that "all of his family played at Cornell." I don't know what this means exactly (parents? cousins?) and I can't find anything at all on the internet about this kid's family, but if true you have to wonder if the Cornell coaches totally missed him or if he was a horrible student. He's from Roslyn, Long Island, btw, a town that produces more Cornell kids per capita than maybe anywhere else on earth.
Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 07:00:14 AMOn this week's CHN podcast, when talking about Ethan Wyttenbach, Quinnipiac freshman leading the country in scoring (and it's not even close), Adam Wodon mentioned that "all of his family played at Cornell." I don't know what this means exactly (parents? cousins?) and I can't find anything at all on the internet about this kid's family, but if true you have to wonder if the Cornell coaches totally missed him or if he was a horrible student. He's from Roslyn, Long Island, btw, a town that produces more Cornell kids per capita than maybe anywhere else on earth.
Looks like Ethan's dad and two brothers all went to Cornell. I saw an article that talked about one of the brothers scoring for the JV squad:
https://www.nyshistoricnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=prre19921102-01.1.19&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN----------
It's a bummer to look back at stud legacies like Wyttenbach and Mark Jankowski and wish they'd come to Cornell, but for an upper middle class family that tuition/aid gap between Cornell and Q is no joke. Lot of reasons he might have made a different choice.
Quote from: pfibiger on February 13, 2026, 08:52:17 AMQuote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 07:00:14 AMOn this week's CHN podcast, when talking about Ethan Wyttenbach, Quinnipiac freshman leading the country in scoring (and it's not even close), Adam Wodon mentioned that "all of his family played at Cornell." I don't know what this means exactly (parents? cousins?) and I can't find anything at all on the internet about this kid's family, but if true you have to wonder if the Cornell coaches totally missed him or if he was a horrible student. He's from Roslyn, Long Island, btw, a town that produces more Cornell kids per capita than maybe anywhere else on earth.
Looks like Ethan's dad and two brothers all went to Cornell. I saw an article that talked about one of the brothers scoring for the JV squad:
https://www.nyshistoricnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=prre19921102-01.1.19&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN----------
It's a bummer to look back at stud legacies like Wyttenbach and Mark Jankowski and wish they'd come to Cornell, but for an upper middle class family that tuition/aid gap between Cornell and Q is no joke. Lot of reasons he might have made a different choice.
Nice find, though considering his uncle appears to be a law firm partner and he's from Roslyn, I'm going to guess that finances weren't the deciding factor in his decision.
What did JV squad mean at that point (early 90s)? Freshmen were part of the varsity team by then; I didn't realize there was a varsity/junior varsity distinction? Did JV just mean club team?
Also notably I don't see any Wyttenbachs listed on any Cornell roster in the 90s.
Quote from: pfibiger on February 13, 2026, 08:52:17 AMQuote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 07:00:14 AMOn this week's CHN podcast, when talking about Ethan Wyttenbach, Quinnipiac freshman leading the country in scoring (and it's not even close), Adam Wodon mentioned that "all of his family played at Cornell." I don't know what this means exactly (parents? cousins?) and I can't find anything at all on the internet about this kid's family, but if true you have to wonder if the Cornell coaches totally missed him or if he was a horrible student. He's from Roslyn, Long Island, btw, a town that produces more Cornell kids per capita than maybe anywhere else on earth.
Looks like Ethan's dad and two brothers all went to Cornell. I saw an article that talked about one of the brothers scoring for the JV squad:
https://www.nyshistoricnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=prre19921102-01.1.19&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN----------
It's a bummer to look back at stud legacies like Wyttenbach and Mark Jankowski and wish they'd come to Cornell, but for an upper middle class family that tuition/aid gap between Cornell and Q is no joke. Lot of reasons he might have made a different choice.
I have a feeling that recruiting at Q is a little different than the Ivy experience. Maybe they have cheerleader-led recruiting visits that can have an impact.
Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 11:06:03 AMWhat did JV squad mean at that point (early 90s)? Freshmen were part of the varsity team by then; I didn't realize there was a varsity/junior varsity distinction? Did JV just mean club team?
Cornell had a men's JV team -I know as I had a brief stint with it as one its goalies for what was it's last half season. It was shut down midseason over winter break between fall '94 and spring '95. A couple of times a recuperating varsity player skated with us in practice; they made most of the JV guys look like they were stuck in quicksand.
Are Colgate and Union... okay?
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 10:38:07 PMQuote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PMIt's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.
I know you like to keep doubting this, and apparently no amount of me trying to convince you will help - even though I talk to coaches and ADs regularly who all tell me the same thing. Mike McMahon discusses this as well in his latest column for us today
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/02/13_This-Week-in-College-Hockey.php
Just about every school loses money on sports. It doesn't stop them from spending on it. I'm not sure why you think it's a factor that Denver "loses money on sports" ... overall, maybe they do - but it always has. It won't stop them. They'll just come up with the money in more creative ways. As will anyone else who wants to compete.
And yes McKenna is getting $700,000 -- however, it's not necessarily from the school. Much of that is NIL - though I don't know the breakdown. Also not sure if his recent issues will cause any problems there.
Players are regularly getting $50,000 left and right to transfer from smaller schools to bigger ones. Just for one example. This is the new reality. Doubting it or denying it is silly at this point.
Dartmouth tying bottom feeder Yale must have helped us out in the Ivy race
Quote from: CU2007 on February 13, 2026, 09:33:44 PMDartmouth tying bottom feeder Yale must have helped us out in the Ivy race
Harvard ties Brown too (though they lose in SO). Northeastern takes down Providence as well, which is good for the NPI chase.
Quote from: adamw on February 13, 2026, 09:26:13 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 10:38:07 PMQuote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PMIt's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.
I know you like to keep doubting this, and apparently no amount of me trying to convince you will help - even though I talk to coaches and ADs regularly who all tell me the same thing. Mike McMahon discusses this as well in his latest column for us today
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/02/13_This-Week-in-College-Hockey.php
Just about every school loses money on sports. It doesn't stop them from spending on it. I'm not sure why you think it's a factor that Denver "loses money on sports" ... overall, maybe they do - but it always has. It won't stop them. They'll just come up with the money in more creative ways. As will anyone else who wants to compete.
And yes McKenna is getting $700,000 -- however, it's not necessarily from the school. Much of that is NIL - though I don't know the breakdown. Also not sure if his recent issues will cause any problems there.
Players are regularly getting $50,000 left and right to transfer from smaller schools to bigger ones. Just for one example. This is the new reality. Doubting it or denying it is silly at this point.
You and McMahon say this all the time, yes, but neither of you have yet to provide a single specific example, with the exception of Mckenna getting $700K (which I've seen disputed, including by his own coach).
There's nothing about specific teams, or specific players. Nothing about how the money is getting paid, or how it's allocated amongst the roster. The reporting is totally vague and wishy-washy.
Quoting for example the link you posted, we can see just how unspecific any of this is:
"
On the high end, some programs are already operating in the $700,000 range for combined revenue sharing and NIL."
So, $700K combined revenue share and NIL is the "high end" "range." How many programs is this? Which ones? Also, does that mean Penn State is giving $0 to everyone else on their team combined, given McMahon previously reported one guy is getting 700K?
"
If you're competing in the NCHC, Big Ten, or Hockey East, you likely need to be closer to $250,000 just to stay competitive — and even that won't put you near the top of the spending curve."
So you "likely" need to spend "closer" to $250,000 "just to stay competitive." I have absolutely no idea what that even means. By the way, $250,000 is less than $10,000 per roster spot.
"
Within five years, it wouldn't be surprising to see the top programs pushing toward $1 million annually."
So "within five years" (which is forever), it "wouldn't surprise" McMahon to see "top programs" "pushing toward" $1 million.
Man, I'm sorry, but none of this even means anything.
I appreciate McMahon's coverage but on this topic it's completely lacking in specificity. There's nothing to go off of. Be specific, cite sources (no, you don't have to reveal the specific source). Please stop with the conjecture. By the way, ask the Cornell coaches what they think the state of NIL is right now in college hockey and you'll get a different answer.
Not the worst night for the NPI given BC and Providence lost and Dartmouth tied Yale. Looking like 55.00 NPI is gonna be about the cutoff for an at-large bid.
Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 10:14:01 PMNot the worst night for the NPI given BC and Providence lost and Dartmouth tied Yale. Looking like 55.00 NPI is gonna be about the cutoff for an at-large bid.
Considering we dropped a fair bit, good that most of the others "in the thick of it" sputtered too. Not crisis mode, yet. But we really can't afford to lose/tie many more of these "easy" games.
wild night in the ECAC. If that Union team shows up again we better get our scoring skates on or we're going to need another night of a goalie standing on his head.
Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 10:00:51 PMQuote from: adamw on February 13, 2026, 09:26:13 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 10:38:07 PMQuote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PMIt's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.
I know you like to keep doubting this, and apparently no amount of me trying to convince you will help - even though I talk to coaches and ADs regularly who all tell me the same thing. Mike McMahon discusses this as well in his latest column for us today
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/02/13_This-Week-in-College-Hockey.php
Just about every school loses money on sports. It doesn't stop them from spending on it. I'm not sure why you think it's a factor that Denver "loses money on sports" ... overall, maybe they do - but it always has. It won't stop them. They'll just come up with the money in more creative ways. As will anyone else who wants to compete.
And yes McKenna is getting $700,000 -- however, it's not necessarily from the school. Much of that is NIL - though I don't know the breakdown. Also not sure if his recent issues will cause any problems there.
Players are regularly getting $50,000 left and right to transfer from smaller schools to bigger ones. Just for one example. This is the new reality. Doubting it or denying it is silly at this point.
You and McMahon say this all the time, yes, but neither of you have yet to provide a single specific example, with the exception of Mckenna getting $700K (which I've seen disputed, including by his own coach).
There's nothing about specific teams, or specific players. Nothing about how the money is getting paid, or how it's allocated amongst the roster. The reporting is totally vague and wishy-washy.
Quoting for example the link you posted, we can see just how unspecific any of this is:
"On the high end, some programs are already operating in the $700,000 range for combined revenue sharing and NIL."
So, $700K combined revenue share and NIL is the "high end" "range." How many programs is this? Which ones? Also, does that mean Penn State is giving $0 to everyone else on their team combined, given McMahon previously reported one guy is getting 700K?
"If you're competing in the NCHC, Big Ten, or Hockey East, you likely need to be closer to $250,000 just to stay competitive — and even that won't put you near the top of the spending curve."
So you "likely" need to spend "closer" to $250,000 "just to stay competitive." I have absolutely no idea what that even means. By the way, $250,000 is less than $10,000 per roster spot.
"Within five years, it wouldn't be surprising to see the top programs pushing toward $1 million annually."
So "within five years" (which is forever), it "wouldn't surprise" McMahon to see "top programs" "pushing toward" $1 million.
Man, I'm sorry, but none of this even means anything.
I appreciate McMahon's coverage but on this topic it's completely lacking in specificity. There's nothing to go off of. Be specific, cite sources (no, you don't have to reveal the specific source). Please stop with the conjecture. By the way, ask the Cornell coaches what they think the state of NIL is right now in college hockey and you'll get a different answer.
It's not conjecture. But if you it helps you sleep at night to think so - have a blast.
Quote from one of 5 people who verified to me the McKenna number: "Right after that when Michigan State got Martone for 350, I called up Nightingale and said 'You got the better deal.'"
Am I going to tell you who said that, or who the 5 people are? No. The only people denying these kind of dollar figures, are the B10 schools doing it.
Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 10:00:51 PMMan, I'm sorry, but none of this even means anything.
I appreciate McMahon's coverage but on this topic it's completely lacking in specificity. There's nothing to go off of. Be specific, cite sources (no, you don't have to reveal the specific source). Please stop with the conjecture. By the way, ask the Cornell coaches what they think the state of NIL is right now in college hockey and you'll get a different answer.
There's conjecture in sports forums? Horrors!
Oh wait, you post conjecture all the time.
And guess what, so do I.
But the difference is that after all these years, I put more faith in Adam's reporting than I do in yours or mine.
Even after all my years watching college hockey, he probably knows a lot more about it than I do!
You tell Adam to be specific, cite sources, but not revealing the specific source. That's hard to do, although Adam did the best he could in his follow up post.
But then you say "By the way, ask the Cornell coaches what they think the state of NIL is right now in college hockey and you'll get a different answer."
Yes, citing your post, What's your source for that statement?
Look, please just slow down. When you don't seem against everything (Adam, our recruiting, etc.) you can have some informative thoughts. But then you go off again and you lose me.
As a fool who gets carried away, it has been humbling to watch a fool get carried away. This keeps up I may learn something.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 14, 2026, 12:40:34 PMAs a fool who gets carried away, it has been humbling to watch a fool get carried away. This keeps up I may learn something.
Only if you listen to Adam. ;D
Quote from: Trotsky on February 14, 2026, 12:40:34 PMAs a fool who gets carried away, it has been humbling to watch a fool get carried away. This keeps up I may learn something.
Not a nice thing to say about someone who runs one of the five most popular websites in a niche college sport
In other news, Brown is leading Dartmouth 3-2 with 11.46 in the 3rd. If this holds, that's big.
Quote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:07:13 PMIn other news, Brown is leading Dartmouth 3-2 with 11.46 in the 3rd. If this holds, that's big.
A Brown regulation win, if it happens (everyone text "26089" for Walsh or "26090" for Castagna to 844-623-9688 to manifest it ;)) drops Dart to 55.29, sending them to 11 in the NPI. Cornell regains 8.
Quote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:12:36 PMQuote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:07:13 PMIn other news, Brown is leading Dartmouth 3-2 with 11.46 in the 3rd. If this holds, that's big.
A Brown regulation win, if it happens (everyone text "26089" for Walsh or "26090" for Castagna to 844-623-9688 to manifest it ;)) drops Dart to 55.29, sending them to 11 in the NPI. Cornell regains 8.
>Be Dartmouth
>Down 2-3 to Brown
>Get a PP with 4:30ish left
>Take a dumbass o-zone penalty halfway into the PP
>Brown takes another penalty 45 seconds later
>Empty net with 2 minutes left
>Brown gets the puck and 3 skaters are tangled up
>?!?
>Dartmouth scores.
Quote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:29:29 PMQuote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:12:36 PMQuote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:07:13 PMIn other news, Brown is leading Dartmouth 3-2 with 11.46 in the 3rd. If this holds, that's big.
A Brown regulation win, if it happens (everyone text "26089" for Walsh or "26090" for Castagna to 844-623-9688 to manifest it ;)) drops Dart to 55.29, sending them to 11 in the NPI. Cornell regains 8.
>Be Dartmouth
>Down 2-3 to Brown
>Get a PP with 4:30ish left
>Take a dumbass o-zone penalty halfway into the PP
>Brown takes another penalty 45 seconds later
>Empty net with 2 minutes left
>Brown gets the puck and 3 skaters are tangled up
>?!?
>Dartmouth scores.
Brown scores!
Quote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:29:29 PMQuote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:12:36 PMQuote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:07:13 PMIn other news, Brown is leading Dartmouth 3-2 with 11.46 in the 3rd. If this holds, that's big.
A Brown regulation win, if it happens (everyone text "26089" for Walsh or "26090" for Castagna to 844-623-9688 to manifest it ;)) drops Dart to 55.29, sending them to 11 in the NPI. Cornell regains 8.
>Be Dartmouth
>Down 2-3 to Brown
>Get a PP with 4:30ish left
>Take a dumbass o-zone penalty halfway into the PP
>Brown takes another penalty 45 seconds later
>Empty net with 2 minutes left
>Brown gets the puck and 3 skaters are tangled up
>?!?
>Dartmouth scores.
>POITRAS SCORES LIKE 30 FUCKING SECONDS LATER WHAT THE FUCK THIS GAME IS ON ACID
FUCK YOU, DARTMOUTH!!!
Isn't this their coach's last game, too, or close enough?
Quote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:35:24 PMIsn't this their coach's last game, too, or close enough?
Yes. He looked really pleased with the send off.
Quote from: pjd8 on February 14, 2026, 06:47:54 PMQuote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:35:24 PMIsn't this their coach's last game, too, or close enough?
Yes. He looked really pleased with the send off.
And this makes us Ivy League champs!
Harvard and Yale are on NESN right now for those of you in New England.
2-2 middle of the 2nd
Quote from: cth95 on February 14, 2026, 08:07:19 PMHarvard and Yale are on NESN right now for those of you in New England.
2-2 middle of the 2nd
That sounds like a miserable way to spend time.
Maine, Ohio State, and Merrimack can help us out if they can pull out wins against 12 Connecticut, 13 Wisconsin, and 15 BC...
Quote from: RichH on February 14, 2026, 08:09:37 PMQuote from: cth95 on February 14, 2026, 08:07:19 PMHarvard and Yale are on NESN right now for those of you in New England.
2-2 middle of the 2nd
That sounds like a miserable way to spend time.
Boston Garden, 1985:
"Bald!" "Fat!"
Quote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:33:30 PMFUCK YOU, DARTMOUTH!!!
-- 1816 New Hampshire state legislature (https://www.oyez.org/cases/1789-1850/17us518).
Quote from: Trotsky on February 15, 2026, 04:26:33 AMQuote from: stereax on February 14, 2026, 06:33:30 PMFUCK YOU, DARTMOUTH!!!
-- 1816 New Hampshire state legislature (https://www.oyez.org/cases/1789-1850/17us518).
Love that.
Princeton vs Q-Pak today at 4pm, Go Princeton!!!
Pee at Quu 0-0 after one period. On SNY cable.
Quote from: marty on February 15, 2026, 04:48:12 PMPee at Quu 0-0 after one period. On SNY cable.
Now 1-1 in the 2nd, Princeton playing well.'
2-1 Q-Pak end of the 2nd
4-1 Q with 3 minutes remaining.
Princeton loses to Q-Pak, 4-1
Quote from: BearLover on February 14, 2026, 01:07:52 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 14, 2026, 12:40:34 PMAs a fool who gets carried away, it has been humbling to watch a fool get carried away. This keeps up I may learn something.
Not a nice thing to say about someone who runs one of the five most popular websites in a niche college sport
imagine being so unable to ever say you're wrong, that your only recourse is to (wrongly) insult people. sweet.
The good news is, IDGAF. The only reason I reply to you is so that all the other people here (many of whom are friends on some level or another) will get some interesting facts or insight that I can share, instead of the last thing they see being your drivel. I don't expect you to ever admit anything yourself. You choose not to believe me, just because you don't feel like it. I wouldn't say this stuff if I didn't know some things. I don't profess to know every detail about every thing, nor do I ever proclaim to be "better" than anyone here (except you).
Cheers ... pal.
Quote from: adamw on February 15, 2026, 07:03:10 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 14, 2026, 01:07:52 PMQuote from: Trotsky on February 14, 2026, 12:40:34 PMAs a fool who gets carried away, it has been humbling to watch a fool get carried away. This keeps up I may learn something.
Not a nice thing to say about someone who runs one of the five most popular websites in a niche college sport
imagine being so unable to ever say you're wrong, that your only recourse is to (wrongly) insult people. sweet.
The good news is, IDGAF. The only reason I reply to you is so that all the other people here (many of whom are friends on some level or another) will get some interesting facts or insight that I can share, instead of the last thing they see being your drivel. I don't expect you to ever admit anything yourself. You choose not to believe me, just because you don't feel like it. I wouldn't say this stuff if I didn't know some things. I don't profess to know every detail about every thing, nor do I ever proclaim to be "better" than anyone here (except you).
Cheers ... pal.
My post was rude and I take it back. You've been calling me names for several years now, including swooping into conversations that didn't even involve you. So I snapped and resorted to a personal insult, which I try hard not to do.
I know my takes on NIL/revenue sharing drive you crazy, but I'm not really talking about you when I say:
The discourse on this topic is incredibly lazy. Paying players has become an easy scapegoat for anyone whose midmajor has been struggling. Yet I believe this to be complete bullshit in the vast majority of cases. (Speaking solely about men's hockey here but I think most of this applies to other non-football/basketball sports also.)
Here's why:
* nobody who says this stuff has worked in a college athletic department. Nobody has grappled with the costs. In particular, let's take a team that opts into the House Settlement and is now offering 26 rather than 18 scholarships. Even if such a school doesn't add scholarships to any other sport (unlikely), that's still an additional 16 scholarships—8 for men, and 8 for women to satisfy Title IX. That in itself is an extra million-plus dollars per year. And now you expect Colorado College or BU, with no big-time athletics funding to speak of, to revenue share on top of that? Yes, the AD can pull funding from somewhere else—but they're pulling funding all the same. Is it coming out of facilities? Coaches' salaries? Somewhere else? There's no free lunch. It may even get pulled from the same hockey program that the revenue sharing is supposedly helping!
* the relevant question is whether, by attending school A, player X is making money they would not have made by attending school B. Yes, Cole Hutson is getting some money at BU, but that's because he's one of the best players in the country, not because he's at BU. CJ Kirst was making money last year too, and Cornell had zero NIL program to speak of. For purposes of judging the effect of NIL on competitive balance, the fact Cole Hutson is getting money he would have gotten at any other school is meaningless. [Using Cole Hutson as a random example to illustrate a point. Some of the details obviously might be off.]
* the media coverage on this topic is nonexistent. That's not just CHN. It's also USCHO and elsehwere. When I read the McMahon piece, it didn't move the needle for me at all. There's no detail in there. Just vague generalities.
* there's clearly NIL and revenue sharing in college hockey to some degree. But it's very easy to show it exists; it's much harder to show it's widespread. Does the fact one donor was willing to fork over 500K for McKenna mean anything beyond that one specific case? Does the market for such a player affect teams outside the five or so blue-bloods who ever would have been competitive for such a player in the first place? There's a motte-and-baily going on where people are using one instance of some kid somewhere getting NIL to prop up the claim that plenty of teams in big conferences are throwing around money left and right.
* the Cornell coaches have not said the same thing behind closed doors.
The claim that NIL/revenue sharing is having a significant impact on competitive balance in college hockey is wholly unsupported by any publicly available reporting. Does that mean the claim is wrong? Not necessarily. But those making the claim have done nothing to support it.
I'm really tired of this lazy talking point.
Quote from: RichH on February 14, 2026, 08:09:37 PMQuote from: cth95 on February 14, 2026, 08:07:19 PMHarvard and Yale are on NESN right now for those of you in New England.
2-2 middle of the 2nd
That sounds like a miserable way to spend time.
This game ended with maybe the strangest or worst goal decision I've ever seen. In OT, the Yale player takes a bad angle shot that the Harvard goaltender Charette stops but the puck goes under him. It's not clear whether the puck crosses the goal line in real time and the ref quite obviously calls no goal. Both refs go to the review booth and from the overhead view, the puck is squarely on the line by the time play is blown dead but nothing conclusively or clearly shows the puck completely past the goal line. Despite this, the call on the ice is overturned and Yale wins the game. This year may have some of the most questionable or outright bad officiating I've seen in a long time or maybe ever since I've been watching ECAC games
Quote from: Iceberg on February 16, 2026, 10:54:24 AMQuote from: RichH on February 14, 2026, 08:09:37 PMQuote from: cth95 on February 14, 2026, 08:07:19 PMHarvard and Yale are on NESN right now for those of you in New England.
2-2 middle of the 2nd
That sounds like a miserable way to spend time.
This game ended with maybe the strangest or worst goal decision I've ever seen. In OT, the Yale player takes a bad angle shot that the Harvard goaltender Charette stops but the puck goes under him. It's not clear whether the puck crosses the goal line in real time and the ref quite obviously calls no goal. Both refs go to the review booth and from the overhead view, the puck is squarely on the line by the time play is blown dead but nothing conclusively or clearly shows the puck completely past the goal line. Despite this, the call on the ice is overturned and Yale wins the game. This year may have some of the most questionable or outright bad officiating I've seen in a long time or maybe ever since I've been watching ECAC games
I'd like to see an explanation of that. Conclusive proof to overturn the on ice No Goal???
Quote from: BearLover on February 16, 2026, 03:10:42 AMThe claim that NIL/revenue sharing is having a significant impact on competitive balance in college hockey is wholly unsupported by any publicly available reporting. Does that mean the claim is wrong? Not necessarily. But those making the claim have done nothing to support it.
I'm really tired of this lazy talking point.
I am reporting it, all the time. Just not naming the kinds of names and details you want to hear. So - again - believe me or don't believe me. Whatever.
What's your definition of widespread?
Real world example: Best player in a big conference, on a team that used to be a big deal, but no longer has those kinds of resources, was offered $50k to go to a blue-blood school in the same league. He left. He's not the only one. I'm using this one example to represent many similar stories. Does that mean it affects competitive balance for the 20 or so programs that have been able to keep up (or Cornell, for example, which wouldn't necessarily be as impacted because its plusses/minuses are already well-known to a student before coming there, and haven't changed)? No, those teams have stayed the same. The pool of teams, however, that can keep up, is growing smaller. The unlimited transfer policy was the first big problem. The growing NIL/Rev-share imbalance is another. You would be hard-pressed to find any coach whose team is currently below, say, 25 in the NPI to say otherwise. It's not sour grapes - it's just reality.
I can't speak for other reporters. But if you mean them and not me, make it more clear. Because I'm the one here - trying to help paint the picture. Seriously. And when you say certain funds aren't available at certain schools, and that it's not a thing, it's just false. I don't start out being argumentative about it, but yes, it drives me crazy when you don't believe it, just because I can't lay out exact details and receipts.
Give me something realistic that you want in the coverage that you aren't getting? It's a constant topic and we're constantly trying to add new light.
It's not just about Cole Hutson. There are some advisors out there creating bidding wars for players now. There is no way some of the former high-end powers -- New Hampshire, Maine, the CCHA schools, Clarkson -- can possibly compete for players they used to compete for. This is abundantly obvious.
I will be continuing to write and talk about this as much as possible.
Quote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMThere is no way some of the former high-end powers -- New Hampshire, Maine, the CCHA schools, Clarkson -- can possibly compete for players they used to compete for. This is abundantly obvious.
Can we?
Understanding you cannot name names, have there been cases where we have already been affected, to the good or the ill?
I confess I still don't understand NIL. My impression is it's a way for mouth-breathers to pool their bribes without violating the rules.
Quote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMReal world example: Best player in a big conference, on a team that used to be a big deal, but no longer has those kinds of resources, was offered $50k to go to a blue-blood school in the same league. He left. He's not the only one.
If this is who I think it is, and I think I have a pretty good chance of being right, I dunno if I'd call that guy the "best player in the conference" but he's pretty damn good.
I'm more surprised that 50k is what seems to be a "fairly standard" amount to offer guys who are good, but not like, top tier NHL prospect level talent. Is that even a year of tuition anymore? I guess most programs offer significant "scholar"ships to their athletes, but that doesn't feel like a super significant amount of money... evidently it seems like it might be, though.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 19, 2026, 02:52:27 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMThere is no way some of the former high-end powers -- New Hampshire, Maine, the CCHA schools, Clarkson -- can possibly compete for players they used to compete for. This is abundantly obvious.
Can we?
Understanding you cannot name names, have there been cases where we have already been affected, to the good or the ill?
I confess I still don't understand NIL. My impression is it's a way for mouth-breathers to pool their bribes without violating the rules.
I mean, we lost Robertson, didn't we?
I think Cornell occupies a "niche", though - high-level hockey
and high-level studies. Which, a couple of schools (thinking Michigan here) are similar, but don't quite have the "lay prestige" of an Ivy.
I think that, more than anything else, is what we'll have to lean on going forward, and accept that we're not likely to land the top end prospects like that Beniers kid (;)) whose name was floating around the forums as a Cornell legacy, simply because those guys are well aware that hockey will likely be their
only career for the next 15-20 years.
But I might be wrong.
Btw, some other general news - looks like Stanley is our nominee for the ECAC scholar-athlete award. Also notable, Princeton nominated Ian Devlin (Luke's brother) and Q chose Mason Marcellus (still bald).
Quote from: stereax on February 19, 2026, 02:57:51 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMReal world example: Best player in a big conference, on a team that used to be a big deal, but no longer has those kinds of resources, was offered $50k to go to a blue-blood school in the same league. He left. He's not the only one.
If this is who I think it is, and I think I have a pretty good chance of being right, I dunno if I'd call that guy the "best player in the conference" but he's pretty damn good.
I'm more surprised that 50k is what seems to be a "fairly standard" amount to offer guys who are good, but not like, top tier NHL prospect level talent. Is that even a year of tuition anymore? I guess most programs offer significant "scholar"ships to their athletes, but that doesn't feel like a super significant amount of money... evidently it seems like it might be, though.
SORRY - I meant to say best player on his team. Typing too fast. Where's my editor Beeej?
And 50k is cash in hand - good for a new Toyota Rav4 (minus taxes and agent fee)
Quote from: Trotsky on February 19, 2026, 02:52:27 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMThere is no way some of the former high-end powers -- New Hampshire, Maine, the CCHA schools, Clarkson -- can possibly compete for players they used to compete for. This is abundantly obvious.
Can we?
Understanding you cannot name names, have there been cases where we have already been affected, to the good or the ill?
I confess I still don't understand NIL. My impression is it's a way for mouth-breathers to pool their bribes without violating the rules.
I've said this before, but I think a school like Cornell is in better shape than some of the state school type of places that used to be good. Because a player who was being recruited to go there, was going for academic reasons in the first place. So that won't change. The money may pull some guys away (Robertson) but I think Cornell compensated for that by bringing transfers and late recruits in.
That said, when your competition at the NCAA Tournament consolidates its talent, then it gets harder at that point.
The above, however, is all merely speculation at this point. We need more time to see what happens.
Quote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 03:57:17 PMQuote from: stereax on February 19, 2026, 02:57:51 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMReal world example: Best player in a big conference, on a team that used to be a big deal, but no longer has those kinds of resources, was offered $50k to go to a blue-blood school in the same league. He left. He's not the only one.
If this is who I think it is, and I think I have a pretty good chance of being right, I dunno if I'd call that guy the "best player in the conference" but he's pretty damn good.
I'm more surprised that 50k is what seems to be a "fairly standard" amount to offer guys who are good, but not like, top tier NHL prospect level talent. Is that even a year of tuition anymore? I guess most programs offer significant "scholar"ships to their athletes, but that doesn't feel like a super significant amount of money... evidently it seems like it might be, though.
SORRY - I meant to say best player on his team. Typing too fast. Where's my editor Beeej?
And 50k is cash in hand - good for a new Toyota Rav4 (minus taxes and agent fee)
HAHA I was wondering. That makes much more sense.
Eh, that's definitely true, it's not spare change. Especially if you're an early-twenty-something kid (as one myself). At the same time, it's also not necessarily a lifechanging sum like a $700k (McKenna) with which you can pretty easily buy a small place to live and a nice car (and have money left over for bills and stuff).
Am I thinking about this too much like a "lump sum jackpot" deal?
Quote from: Trotsky on February 19, 2026, 02:52:27 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMThere is no way some of the former high-end powers -- New Hampshire, Maine, the CCHA schools, Clarkson -- can possibly compete for players they used to compete for. This is abundantly obvious.
Can we?
Understanding you cannot name names, have there been cases where we have already been affected, to the good or the ill?
I confess I still don't understand NIL. My impression is it's a way for mouth-breathers to pool their bribes without violating the rules.
Behind closed doors, the Cornell coaches have said that NIL isn't a concern on the basis that it's largely going to top draft picks that Cornell was never getting anyway.
Quote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 16, 2026, 03:10:42 AMThe claim that NIL/revenue sharing is having a significant impact on competitive balance in college hockey is wholly unsupported by any publicly available reporting. Does that mean the claim is wrong? Not necessarily. But those making the claim have done nothing to support it.
I'm really tired of this lazy talking point.
I am reporting it, all the time. Just not naming the kinds of names and details you want to hear. So - again - believe me or don't believe me. Whatever.
May I ask why you aren't able to report on names (of players, or at least of schools), or amounts? These details are regularly reported in other college sports.
QuoteWhat's your definition of widespread?
Good question. I don't know how to answer that. My main point is that I'm very in the dark about what's going on. The fact a kid got $50K to transfer doesn't really mean anything in itself.
QuoteReal world example: Best player in a big conference, on a team that used to be a big deal, but no longer has those kinds of resources, was offered $50k to go to a blue-blood school in the same league. He left. He's not the only one. I'm using this one example to represent many similar stories. Does that mean it affects competitive balance for the 20 or so programs that have been able to keep up (or Cornell, for example, which wouldn't necessarily be as impacted because its plusses/minuses are already well-known to a student before coming there, and haven't changed)? No, those teams have stayed the same. The pool of teams, however, that can keep up, is growing smaller. The unlimited transfer policy was the first big problem. The growing NIL/Rev-share imbalance is another. You would be hard-pressed to find any coach whose team is currently below, say, 25 in the NPI to say otherwise. It's not sour grapes - it's just reality.
Sounds like Ryan Conmy. If BC is poaching one of the best players in the portal for $50K, that wouldn't shock me, but (a) that's not a huge amount given it's one of the better players in the country and a power 5 school, and (b) that's still just one case. The part I take issue with is: "I'm using this one example to represent many similar stories." I just don't know how I'm supposed to interpret that, given nobody anywhere has actually reported on anything like that. Conmy was one of the top few players in the portal last year and one of the only ones who went from mid-tier school to blue blood.
QuoteIt's not just about Cole Hutson. There are some advisors out there creating bidding wars for players now. There is no way some of the former high-end powers -- New Hampshire, Maine, the CCHA schools, Clarkson -- can possibly compete for players they used to compete for. This is abundantly obvious.
I'm curious about the distinctions you're drawing here. Why should rev share/NIL benefit Maine or UNH less than Denver or BU?
Yes, the transfer portal has been horrible for the lesser schools, but that's a different issue.
Quote from: stereax on February 19, 2026, 03:03:37 PMhigh-level hockey and high-level studies. Which, a couple of schools (thinking Michigan here) are similar, but don't quite have the "lay prestige" of an Ivy.
I get the impression there is a firewall between Michigan students and Michigan athletes and, while there are exceptions, the latter are neither expected nor competent to be in real classes.
cf. Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and a number of other name academic schools with suspiciously overly competitive revenue sport teams.
Not Army, though. Those guys are serious as a heart attack.
Quote from: BearLover on February 19, 2026, 04:39:09 PMBehind closed doors, the Cornell coaches have said that NIL isn't a concern on the basis that it's largely going to top draft picks that Cornell was never getting anyway.
So the door was ajar?
Quote from: BearLover on February 19, 2026, 04:59:47 PMSounds like Ryan Conmy. If BC is poaching one of the best players in the portal for $50K, that wouldn't shock me, but (a) that's not a huge amount given it's one of the better players in the country and a power 5 school, and (b) that's still just one case. The part I take issue with is: "I'm using this one example to represent many similar stories." I just don't know how I'm supposed to interpret that, given nobody anywhere has actually reported on anything like that. Conmy was one of the top few players in the portal last year and one of the only ones who went from mid-tier school to blue blood.
QuoteIt's not just about Cole Hutson. There are some advisors out there creating bidding wars for players now. There is no way some of the former high-end powers -- New Hampshire, Maine, the CCHA schools, Clarkson -- can possibly compete for players they used to compete for. This is abundantly obvious.
I'm curious about the distinctions you're drawing here. Why should rev share/NIL benefit Maine or UNH less than Denver or BU?
Yes, the transfer portal has been horrible for the lesser schools, but that's a different issue.
Rick Conmy is a great example of the problem UNH has. The difference between UNH and BC is that UNH doesn't have the snipers that BC and BU have. The Wildcats really needed him, but in the transfer portal era, they couldn't keep him.
Part of the problem that UNH and Maine have vs Denver or BU may just be location. If your campus is in a big city, it may make it easier to keep alumni with large incomes more engaged. How many people living in Orono, who can go to the games regularly, make big bucks? Students might prefer living in Boston over Durham, too.
But UNH's woes started long before the transfer portal and NIL changes. With the exception of 2023-24, the last time they had a winning season was 2013-14. What was special about that season? It was the first year of the Big Ten hockey conference. The Big Ten focus on hockey had to make it easier for those schools to recruit, and a program like UNH was going to suffer more than BC or BU.
The NESN commentators have talked very well of UNH coach Mike Souza. He was also tapped for coaching at the Spengler Cup, so he seems to be well respected by others as well. Unfortunately, he's at a state school that has good support for the hockey program, but I would bet doesn't come close to the financial resources that BC and BU can drum up. UNH is renovating the Whit to improve the locker room and training facilities, and they've cited improving recruiting as the reason.
All of this makes Casey's success at Clarkson all that more impressive. I worry about the smaller schools with less national name recognition, not just for hockey but for academics as well. We will be a poorer nation if these schools decline, but it is harder than every for them to thrive.
Quote from: BearLover on February 19, 2026, 04:59:47 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 02:21:26 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 16, 2026, 03:10:42 AMThe claim that NIL/revenue sharing is having a significant impact on competitive balance in college hockey is wholly unsupported by any publicly available reporting. Does that mean the claim is wrong? Not necessarily. But those making the claim have done nothing to support it.
I'm really tired of this lazy talking point.
I am reporting it, all the time. Just not naming the kinds of names and details you want to hear. So - again - believe me or don't believe me. Whatever.
May I ask why you aren't able to report on names (of players, or at least of schools), or amounts? These details are regularly reported in other college sports.
Well, if I spent less time replying to you here and more time writing articles, maybe I'd be able to :)
But really - ask an earnest question - I'll give you an earnest answer.
The details you're talking about are being reported by writers who work for major publications, for whom it's their full-time job. It's also in the big sports -- aka football/basketball -- where there's a massive amount of interest, pressure, and competition to get those numbers. As a result, the writers spend time working sources to get it. Agents are probably leaking it because they want to look like big shots, and/or drive up prices for others.
If this were my full-time job, or anything close to it, I would spend the time and effort to do that. But it's not like there's anyone else coming closer. There's basically no one at this point who is a full-time college hockey reporter. People like Mike McMahon and myself probably talk to more coaches and agents regularly than anyone, but there's still no urgency to leak this stuff out, and neither of us have the kind of time to push. So people will tell us stuff, but they don't really want to say it on the record.
The college hockey "media" universe is pretty small and incestuous, and I've spent 30 years walking a tightrope between discussing important things, and pissing off people I need to have relationships with in order to get anything done. I'll put my record against anyone's, however, in reporting tough stuff when need be. But only so much that can be done.
The fact that College Hockey News (and uscho before that) even exist is because there's a handful of lunatics who love college hockey, and geeky programming, and reporting so much, that they're willing to spend all this time beyond their "real job" to do this stuff. Philosophically, I treat CHN like I would if I was running the NY Times, but with much (much) less money and much less time.
QuoteQuoteWhat's your definition of widespread?
Good question. I don't know how to answer that. My main point is that I'm very in the dark about what's going on. The fact a kid got $50K to transfer doesn't really mean anything in itself.
QuoteReal world example: Best player in a big conference, on a team that used to be a big deal, but no longer has those kinds of resources, was offered $50k to go to a blue-blood school in the same league. He left. He's not the only one. I'm using this one example to represent many similar stories. Does that mean it affects competitive balance for the 20 or so programs that have been able to keep up (or Cornell, for example, which wouldn't necessarily be as impacted because its plusses/minuses are already well-known to a student before coming there, and haven't changed)? No, those teams have stayed the same. The pool of teams, however, that can keep up, is growing smaller. The unlimited transfer policy was the first big problem. The growing NIL/Rev-share imbalance is another. You would be hard-pressed to find any coach whose team is currently below, say, 25 in the NPI to say otherwise. It's not sour grapes - it's just reality.
Sounds like Ryan Conmy. If BC is poaching one of the best players in the portal for $50K, that wouldn't shock me, but (a) that's not a huge amount given it's one of the better players in the country and a power 5 school, and (b) that's still just one case. The part I take issue with is: "I'm using this one example to represent many similar stories." I just don't know how I'm supposed to interpret that, given nobody anywhere has actually reported on anything like that. Conmy was one of the top few players in the portal last year and one of the only ones who went from mid-tier school to blue blood.
QuoteIt's not just about Cole Hutson. There are some advisors out there creating bidding wars for players now. There is no way some of the former high-end powers -- New Hampshire, Maine, the CCHA schools, Clarkson -- can possibly compete for players they used to compete for. This is abundantly obvious.
I'm curious about the distinctions you're drawing here. Why should rev share/NIL benefit Maine or UNH less than Denver or BU?
Because Maine and UNH are cash-strapped state schools whose budgets have been decimated over the years. Maine has done better recently in trying to re-generate cash, and UNH is trying as well, with building renovations on the way and so on. This is much different than Denver or BU, because those schools are private and have more money, and have had bigger donors, and their teams have been more successful lately, so they've been able to keep up. I can't explain every little detail -- I don't have access to their budgets -- but it's clear from the way they each operate, and from what they've all told me, that the ability for UNH/Maine to keep up is harder compared to BU/Denver. This was already happening for years to UNH/Maine, with their facilities falling behind, and athletic dept. budgets taking a hit. So this stuff has only exacerbated it, making it harder to dig out. UNH and Vermont are currently the only schools in Hockey East without 3 assistant coaches. For whatever reason, schools like DU and BU have Rev Share budgets and UNH/Vermont do not. Throw a bunch of other schools like that into the mix, and now you're dwindling little by little the amount of programs that can keep up. Clarkson/St. Lawrence, pfft - forget it. I'm holding out hope for Colgate/RPI/Union, but I doubt it. The influx of major junior talent will help, but I suspect that it will help the big boys just as much and be a wash.
Some of this stuff may be more of a problem after the fact than before it. i.e. transfer rule combined with the money. Deadly combo.
Now I really need to finish like 5 articles on this stuff I'm working on.
By the way, I've had more than a handful of coaches ask me the same thing BearLover asks "Why don't you report more about these differences etc...?" - because they're all annoyed and want people to know things, yet they don't want to tell me things on the record - so ... And then I tell them all the same thing I tell you ... "I wish, but don't have the time." I've asked them all to come up with $3 million to endow CHN and then I'm all theirs, but none have taken me up on that.
Being a lunatic who devotes more time than he should to college hockey also explains why I'm here - I love Cornell hockey and what it stands for that much. Not like I'm on other teams' message boards. Even the ones that rip me all the time (or so I hear).
Quote from: Trotsky on February 19, 2026, 05:52:02 PMQuote from: stereax on February 19, 2026, 03:03:37 PMhigh-level hockey and high-level studies. Which, a couple of schools (thinking Michigan here) are similar, but don't quite have the "lay prestige" of an Ivy.
I get the impression there is a firewall between Michigan students and Michigan athletes and, while there are exceptions, the latter are neither expected nor competent to be in real classes.
cf. Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and a number of other name academic schools with suspiciously overly competitive revenue sport teams.
Not Army, though. Those guys are serious as a heart attack.
Aye, my thoughts as well.
Quote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 07:11:41 PMBecause Maine and UNH are cash-strapped state schools whose budgets have been decimated over the years. Maine has done better recently in trying to re-generate cash, and UNH is trying as well, with building renovations on the way and so on. This is much different than Denver or BU, because those schools are private and have more money, and have had bigger donors, and their teams have been more successful lately, so they've been able to keep up. I can't explain every little detail -- I don't have access to their budgets -- but it's clear from the way they each operate, and from what they've all told me, that the ability for UNH/Maine to keep up is harder compared to BU/Denver. This was already happening for years to UNH/Maine, with their facilities falling behind, and athletic dept. budgets taking a hit. So this stuff has only exacerbated it, making it harder to dig out. UNH and Vermont are currently the only schools in Hockey East without 3 assistant coaches. For whatever reason, schools like DU and BU have Rev Share budgets and UNH/Vermont do not. Throw a bunch of other schools like that into the mix, and now you're dwindling little by little the amount of programs that can keep up. Clarkson/St. Lawrence, pfft - forget it. I'm holding out hope for Colgate/RPI/Union, but I doubt it. The influx of major junior talent will help, but I suspect that it will help the big boys just as much and be a wash.
FWIW, I believe BU did not opt into the House settlement, meaning no rev share for them. But yeah, I should have used
different examples rather than two state schools vs two private schools. My general point is that I'm not sure why Maine is that different from UMass, or why Denver is that different from CC. At the end of the day, it's going to come down to a few big donors. Maybe UMass has them and Maine doesn't, but that can change, and nobody really knows.
I don't need any convincing that things are much worse now for the smaller programs than they were 5-10 years ago. I would guess the transfer portal has a much bigger effect than paying players, though.
To me, it all boils down to: a college has X budget to spend on their hockey program. They can slice that pie up between facilities, more scholarships, revenue sharing, coaches' salaries, nutrition, whatever. But the hard part is growing the budget (pie). There's no free lunch, and the revenue share budget has got to come from somewhere.
As to how it affects Cornell, I agree with Adam that ultimately even if we lose no players to NIL, if we want to win a national championship we're going to have to beat these teams that are stacking talent. Honestly though, I'm not sure how much more talent they can stack. The portal already lets Michigan take Ferris State's star goalie when the Michigan goalie goes pro or doesn't pan out. There is only so much PP time to spread around, and I'm not sure the BUs and Michigans can get much better than they already are (in this portal era).
Anyway, I've already said my piece on this and there's no point repeating it anymore. If I see proof that paying players is widespread, I'll change my tune.
The margin between the best and worst team in Hockey is small enough that even the lowest team can still win. That margin is much higher in bball/fball.
OSU is already complaining about NIL money that they cant keep spending. How long can 95% of these schools get 10-20-50 million a year to spend on sports if after 5 yrs that school still cant win a title?
Quote from: upprdeck on February 19, 2026, 10:09:46 PMOSU is already complaining about NIL money that they cant keep spending. How long can 95% of these schools get 10-20-50 million a year to spend on sports if after 5 yrs that school still cant win a title?
Amusingly, in football the transfer portal may serve as a brake on some NIL spending. Aikman has reportedly dropped out of the NIL game after a guy he was asked to buy for UCLA skipped town after cashing the check and finishing his freshman year.
My ankles hurt (https://kstp.com/kstp-news/local-news/minnesota-youth-hockey-marathon-battle-for-playoff-spot-as-game-enters-third-day/).
Quote from: BearLover on February 19, 2026, 08:47:14 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 07:11:41 PMBecause Maine and UNH are cash-strapped state schools whose budgets have been decimated over the years. Maine has done better recently in trying to re-generate cash, and UNH is trying as well, with building renovations on the way and so on. This is much different than Denver or BU, because those schools are private and have more money, and have had bigger donors, and their teams have been more successful lately, so they've been able to keep up. I can't explain every little detail -- I don't have access to their budgets -- but it's clear from the way they each operate, and from what they've all told me, that the ability for UNH/Maine to keep up is harder compared to BU/Denver. This was already happening for years to UNH/Maine, with their facilities falling behind, and athletic dept. budgets taking a hit. So this stuff has only exacerbated it, making it harder to dig out. UNH and Vermont are currently the only schools in Hockey East without 3 assistant coaches. For whatever reason, schools like DU and BU have Rev Share budgets and UNH/Vermont do not. Throw a bunch of other schools like that into the mix, and now you're dwindling little by little the amount of programs that can keep up. Clarkson/St. Lawrence, pfft - forget it. I'm holding out hope for Colgate/RPI/Union, but I doubt it. The influx of major junior talent will help, but I suspect that it will help the big boys just as much and be a wash.
To me, it all boils down to: a college has X budget to spend on their hockey program. They can slice that pie up between facilities, more scholarships, revenue sharing, coaches' salaries, nutrition, whatever. But the hard part is growing the budget (pie). There's no free lunch, and the revenue share budget has got to come from somewhere.
It's a fundamental error to assume that each sport at a school just has the budget they have. College sports aren't siloed, they operate as part of an athletic department portfolio. The only revenue that an individual team can be guaranteed to have every year is the income off of any endowment that sport might have, money given to specific endowed positions (like Casey's), and what they are able to fundraise in donations made to that specific sport.
When the athletic department does annual budgets, almost every sport these days gets subsidized by the department. And the department decides in the budget process where there priorities are and where they want to allocate funds. It's unreasonable to assume that sport X gets a relatively stable budget year over year.
If priorities change, or the competitive landscape changes, athletics will absolutely decide to add money to one sport and take from another. Just look at the start of NIL and rev share in the major conferences and the impact on the non-revenue sports like track. The need to fund football or hoop at much higher levels to remain competitive actually reduced the number of scholarships available for track. (That comes from a reputable media source that I can't recall anymore bc it was a year ago that I read it).
The point is, priorities change year to year and budgets can move with them.
Adam mentioned UVM and UNH not having 3 assistant coaches and that while BU DU seemed to have Rev share budgets UNH and UVM don't, for reasons he couldn't explain. I heard a short clip of a radio interview with the UVM AD last week, and he said that they spent across all sports 300k on I think it was 15 athletes. (random data point)
It makes sense to me that Bu would have a rev share budget but UVM basically doesn't. I don't know how Hockey East splits up the TV revenue from NESN, but it's sensible to assume that it gets split by viewership and not split evenly. BU is a very large school (student body and alumni wise) in a wealthy city, with a 50+ year run as a premier program. UVM is basically anything but. It's not that big, they are definitely not a long time top program, and they are a public university in a state that is under extreme budget constraints on the whole.
It's also a reasonable guess that budgets have gradually shifted away from hockey and towards basketball at UVM. Hoop has had a ton of success over the last decade or so and has avg attendance almost equal to hockey. 2266 v 2525/game as opposed to 1418 v 3293 in 90-91 (chosen at random for old time stat).
Quote from: BearLover on February 19, 2026, 08:47:14 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 07:11:41 PMBecause Maine and UNH are cash-strapped state schools whose budgets have been decimated over the years. Maine has done better recently in trying to re-generate cash, and UNH is trying as well, with building renovations on the way and so on. This is much different than Denver or BU, because those schools are private and have more money, and have had bigger donors, and their teams have been more successful lately, so they've been able to keep up. I can't explain every little detail -- I don't have access to their budgets -- but it's clear from the way they each operate, and from what they've all told me, that the ability for UNH/Maine to keep up is harder compared to BU/Denver. This was already happening for years to UNH/Maine, with their facilities falling behind, and athletic dept. budgets taking a hit. So this stuff has only exacerbated it, making it harder to dig out. UNH and Vermont are currently the only schools in Hockey East without 3 assistant coaches. For whatever reason, schools like DU and BU have Rev Share budgets and UNH/Vermont do not. Throw a bunch of other schools like that into the mix, and now you're dwindling little by little the amount of programs that can keep up. Clarkson/St. Lawrence, pfft - forget it. I'm holding out hope for Colgate/RPI/Union, but I doubt it. The influx of major junior talent will help, but I suspect that it will help the big boys just as much and be a wash.
FWIW, I believe BU did not opt into the House settlement, meaning no rev share for them. But yeah, I should have used different examples rather than two state schools vs two private schools. My general point is that I'm not sure why Maine is that different from UMass, or why Denver is that different from CC. At the end of the day, it's going to come down to a few big donors. Maybe UMass has them and Maine doesn't, but that can change, and nobody really knows.
Well, some people do know. Just not necessarily everything. Just yesterday, UMass received a $1,000,000 endowment for the hockey program from a donor. That's good for about 1 player a year. Maine has had improvements in recent years, and may not be much different at the moment. It was well behind for a number of years.
Denver vs. CC ... CC is a D-III school, and about 1/4th the size, among other things. But CC will also get its share of donors.
QuoteTo me, it all boils down to: a college has X budget to spend on their hockey program. They can slice that pie up between facilities, more scholarships, revenue sharing, coaches' salaries, nutrition, whatever. But the hard part is growing the budget (pie). There's no free lunch, and the revenue share budget has got to come from somewhere.
I agree, but this is the same, at a different scale, for the bigger sports. It's no different. Yet they are still handing out gobs of money anyway. Denver, as an example, is going to hand out money to get players, because the school thinks it's important. And is. Whether that is sustainable is different conversation. It's not sustainable for Ohio State's football program either. But they're still doing it. You're making a leap between whether this makes any sense in the big picture, and whether teams are doing it. You're skeptical that it's happening because of this. Yet, it is - regardless.
QuoteAnyway, I've already said my piece on this and there's no point repeating it anymore. If I see proof that paying players is widespread, I'll change my tune.
You're right that it's maddening. Unless someone walks into your house and hands you a stack of canceled checks, you won't believe anything anyone tells you. But I'll keep pushing back nevertheless, not because I expect to ever convince you of anything, but just to help others.
Whether it's sustainable - again - different story. I agree the whole thing is absurd.
Quote from: adamw on February 20, 2026, 12:49:54 PMDenver vs. CC ... CC is a D-III school, and about 1/4th the size, among other things. But CC will also get its share of donors.
You're being generous.
DU 11,500
CC 2,100
But I've certainly heard that CC is generally wealthier, and I'm not going to check.
CC did (does?) have that ridiculous ultra modern barn. When we drove by it I figured it was just another of Colorado Springs' pathetic McJesusHut monstrosities but nope. Anyway, it didn't cost chicken feed. Maybe they have their own Nazi-sympathizing Engelstad douche to be a (very) white knight.
Gavin McKenna with 1G, 6A for PSU tonight against OSU — and the game isn't over.
Quote from: scoop85 on February 20, 2026, 10:31:54 PMGavin McKenna with 1G, 6A for PSU tonight against OSU — and the game isn't over.
Finished 1-7-8 +2. PSU was 5x5 on PP.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 20, 2026, 02:30:39 PMCC did (does?) have that ridiculous ultra modern barn. When we drove by it I figured it was just another of Colorado Springs' pathetic McJesusHut monstrosities but nope. Anyway, it didn't cost chicken feed. Maybe they have their own Nazi-sympathizing Engelstad douche to be a (very) white knight.
In what way, dare I ask, is it ridiculous or ultra-modern. I've been there a bunch of times - and it's quite nice actually, but not ridiculous. No better or worse than any other arena built of that size in the last 20 years. Replaced a 400-year old arena, so it's not like they weren't due. Only thing wrong with it is, they built the press box assuming the only person who would go in it is Flat Stanley.
Quote from: adamw on February 21, 2026, 02:17:21 AMQuote from: Trotsky on February 20, 2026, 02:30:39 PMCC did (does?) have that ridiculous ultra modern barn.
In what way, dare I ask, is it ridiculous
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No better or worse than any other arena built of that size in the last 20 years.
Asked and answered.
If your idea of nice is the new Gahden or the new Forum, it's nice.
Quote from: adamw on February 21, 2026, 02:17:21 AMQuote from: Trotsky on February 20, 2026, 02:30:39 PMCC did (does?) have that ridiculous ultra modern barn. When we drove by it I figured it was just another of Colorado Springs' pathetic McJesusHut monstrosities but nope. Anyway, it didn't cost chicken feed. Maybe they have their own Nazi-sympathizing Engelstad douche to be a (very) white knight.
In what way, dare I ask, is it ridiculous or ultra-modern. I've been there a bunch of times - and it's quite nice actually, but not ridiculous. No better or worse than any other arena built of that size in the last 20 years. Replaced a 400-year old arena, so it's not like they weren't due. Only thing wrong with it is, they built the press box assuming the only person who would go in it is Flat Stanley.
In an era of Fat Stanley. At least you have the goods to get in.
Have you kept track of those you have yet to visit?
Quote from: marty on February 21, 2026, 08:22:15 AMQuote from: adamw on February 21, 2026, 02:17:21 AMQuote from: Trotsky on February 20, 2026, 02:30:39 PMCC did (does?) have that ridiculous ultra modern barn. When we drove by it I figured it was just another of Colorado Springs' pathetic McJesusHut monstrosities but nope. Anyway, it didn't cost chicken feed. Maybe they have their own Nazi-sympathizing Engelstad douche to be a (very) white knight.
In what way, dare I ask, is it ridiculous or ultra-modern. I've been there a bunch of times - and it's quite nice actually, but not ridiculous. No better or worse than any other arena built of that size in the last 20 years. Replaced a 400-year old arena, so it's not like they weren't due. Only thing wrong with it is, they built the press box assuming the only person who would go in it is Flat Stanley.
In an era of Fat Stanley. At least you have the goods to get in.
Have you kept track of those you have yet to visit?
Sadly, I haven't been to most places in the Midwest. I may have to wait until I retire. I specifically want to go to Michigan, Michigan State, Miami, Duluth. I've been to Kalamazoo (broadcasting a Cornell game) but they're building a new arena, and I want to see that. I've peaked in Notre Dame's and Omaha's "ridiculous, ultra-modern barns" (TM), but haven't seen a game there. Have been to Arizona State's "ridiculous, ultra-modern barn" (TM) a few times - very nice.
After everything shook out last night, we're at 10th in the NPI, 55.94.
UMD is 9th, 55.98.
Denver 8th, 56.06.
Q 7th, 56.13.
[7-10 clump.]
We probably won't catch Providence in 6th with 56.67.
Below us:
Dart 11th, 55.38.
BC 12th, 55.05.
Wisconsin 13th, 54.99.
Connecticut 14th, 54.63.
St Thomas 15th, 54.60.
Minn State 16th, 54.09.
This makes our "minimum buffer" .56, our "maximum buffer" 1.34 (AHA autobid), and our "safe buffer" probably .95.
Simming:
Go 0-3 and we tumble to 53.69, 16th and out.
Win:
Only SLU - 54.71, 13th.
Only Princeton - 54.48, 15th.
Only Clarkson - 54.65, 13th.
Lose:
Only SLU - 55.43, 10th.
Only Princeton - 55.69, 10th.
Only Clarkson - 55.49, 10th.
Go 3-0 - 56.46, up to 7th.
None of this sims other teams. I'm going to look at future schedules in a minute and post again with that info.
But if we go 2-1, we have an at large basically in the bag, so long as we don't choke massively in the ECAC playoffs.
Future schedules. Interesting games bolded.
Q: Colgate, Dartmouth, Harvard. Should win Colgate. Dartmouth winning, simmed solo, would tumble Q to 11th in the NPI, 55.79. That can be offset by winning Gate and especially Harvard, though. Either way, they're probably not dropping out of autobid territory entirely.
Denver: Arizona State 2x. Would not expect help there.
UMD: Miami, Colorado College 2x. Miami is sneaky. Simming only a loss tonight drops UMD to 55.60. Win the CC games, despite a Miami loss, and they stay at 55.98. Full losses, 54.55, 15th. CC could maybe rally, too, but eh. I want Kyler Kovich to have nice things. Don't we all?
Us: Princeton, SLU, Clarkson. None ranked above 30 in the NPI. Should be able to sweep. Calculations already done.
Dart: Union, Quinnipiac, Princeton. All watchable. Union is looking sneaky, Q is Good, Dartmouth coughed up the Princeton game too a few weeks ago. Simming 0-3 drops them to 53.69, 16th and out of autobid range. Only P, 54.59, 15th. 54.53 with only Union. Win both P and U, 55.42. TL;DR - Dartmouth losing Q and one other game puts them in the danger zone of not getting an autobid. Pop the bottles.
BC: Connecticut, BU 2x, Mass, Northeastern. Hockey East is a mess. In a world where Cloutier, Hagens, and Letourneau all come down with typhoid fever and BC drops all 5 of these, they slide to 53.07, 19th and out. Not going to sim every permutation here, because the teams are so clumped together in the high teens/low twenties, but BC probably needs 3 of 5 wins to stay safe.
Wisconsin: Michigan, Penn State, Penn State. All HUGE games. Lose out, 54.06 and 15th. Win one, 54.80s and 13th. Win two, 55.60s and 11th. Win all three, 56.37 and 6th.
Connecticut: BC, Mass 2x, UNH, Providence. Again, Hockey East is a clumped-up nightmare. Again, probably 3 of 5 to stay afloat. Only difference is that Conn has Providence on the docket, which can help them like Q helped us, but also has UNH, which is a trap game that BC doesn't quite have.
St Thomas: Augustana, Bemidji State 2x.
Minn State: Bowling Green, Northern Michigan 2x.
Lumping the CCHA teams together to talk about. BG winning is really good for St Thomas independent of its effect on Minn State. Simming away:
BG-AU - ST 54.60, MS 53.76.
BG-ST - ST 54.87 (and up to 14th), MS 53.75.
MS-AU - ST 54.10, MS 54.08. [Yikes for ST.]
MS-ST - ST 54.86 (14th), MS 54.44.
All of this is still in the 14-16 range, though, so it doesn't matter as much.
I don't think anyone below 16 can challenge up to where they're a threat to us, provided we go at least 2-1.
Quote from: stereax on February 21, 2026, 11:31:04 AMFuture schedules. Interesting games bolded.
Q: Colgate, Dartmouth, Harvard. Should win Colgate. Dartmouth winning, simmed solo, would tumble Q to 11th in the NPI, 55.79. That can be offset by winning Gate and especially Harvard, though. Either way, they're probably not dropping out of autobid territory entirely.
Denver: Arizona State 2x. Would not expect help there.
UMD: Miami, Colorado College 2x. Miami is sneaky. Simming only a loss tonight drops UMD to 55.60. Win the CC games, despite a Miami loss, and they stay at 55.98. Full losses, 54.55, 15th. CC could maybe rally, too, but eh. I want Kyler Kovich to have nice things. Don't we all?
Us: Princeton, SLU, Clarkson. None ranked above 30 in the NPI. Should be able to sweep. Calculations already done.
Dart: Union, Quinnipiac, Princeton. All watchable. Union is looking sneaky, Q is Good, Dartmouth coughed up the Princeton game too a few weeks ago. Simming 0-3 drops them to 53.69, 16th and out of autobid range. Only P, 54.59, 15th. 54.53 with only Union. Win both P and U, 55.42. TL;DR - Dartmouth losing Q and one other game puts them in the danger zone of not getting an autobid. Pop the bottles.
BC: Connecticut, BU 2x, Mass, Northeastern. Hockey East is a mess. In a world where Cloutier, Hagens, and Letourneau all come down with typhoid fever and BC drops all 5 of these, they slide to 53.07, 19th and out. Not going to sim every permutation here, because the teams are so clumped together in the high teens/low twenties, but BC probably needs 3 of 5 wins to stay safe.
Wisconsin: Michigan, Penn State, Penn State. All HUGE games. Lose out, 54.06 and 15th. Win one, 54.80s and 13th. Win two, 55.60s and 11th. Win all three, 56.37 and 6th.
Connecticut: BC, Mass 2x, UNH, Providence. Again, Hockey East is a clumped-up nightmare. Again, probably 3 of 5 to stay afloat. Only difference is that Conn has Providence on the docket, which can help them like Q helped us, but also has UNH, which is a trap game that BC doesn't quite have.
St Thomas: Augustana, Bemidji State 2x.
Minn State: Bowling Green, Northern Michigan 2x.
Lumping the CCHA teams together to talk about. BG winning is really good for St Thomas independent of its effect on Minn State. Simming away:
BG-AU - ST 54.60, MS 53.76.
BG-ST - ST 54.87 (and up to 14th), MS 53.75.
MS-AU - ST 54.10, MS 54.08. [Yikes for ST.]
MS-ST - ST 54.86 (14th), MS 54.44.
All of this is still in the 14-16 range, though, so it doesn't matter as much.
I don't think anyone below 16 can challenge up to where they're a threat to us, provided we go at least 2-1.
Just remember that there are still playoffs. Playing teams with high NPIs can reinforce existing positions.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 21, 2026, 12:40:58 PMQuote from: stereax on February 21, 2026, 11:31:04 AMFuture schedules. Interesting games bolded.
Q: Colgate, Dartmouth, Harvard. Should win Colgate. Dartmouth winning, simmed solo, would tumble Q to 11th in the NPI, 55.79. That can be offset by winning Gate and especially Harvard, though. Either way, they're probably not dropping out of autobid territory entirely.
Denver: Arizona State 2x. Would not expect help there.
UMD: Miami, Colorado College 2x. Miami is sneaky. Simming only a loss tonight drops UMD to 55.60. Win the CC games, despite a Miami loss, and they stay at 55.98. Full losses, 54.55, 15th. CC could maybe rally, too, but eh. I want Kyler Kovich to have nice things. Don't we all?
Us: Princeton, SLU, Clarkson. None ranked above 30 in the NPI. Should be able to sweep. Calculations already done.
Dart: Union, Quinnipiac, Princeton. All watchable. Union is looking sneaky, Q is Good, Dartmouth coughed up the Princeton game too a few weeks ago. Simming 0-3 drops them to 53.69, 16th and out of autobid range. Only P, 54.59, 15th. 54.53 with only Union. Win both P and U, 55.42. TL;DR - Dartmouth losing Q and one other game puts them in the danger zone of not getting an autobid. Pop the bottles.
BC: Connecticut, BU 2x, Mass, Northeastern. Hockey East is a mess. In a world where Cloutier, Hagens, and Letourneau all come down with typhoid fever and BC drops all 5 of these, they slide to 53.07, 19th and out. Not going to sim every permutation here, because the teams are so clumped together in the high teens/low twenties, but BC probably needs 3 of 5 wins to stay safe.
Wisconsin: Michigan, Penn State, Penn State. All HUGE games. Lose out, 54.06 and 15th. Win one, 54.80s and 13th. Win two, 55.60s and 11th. Win all three, 56.37 and 6th.
Connecticut: BC, Mass 2x, UNH, Providence. Again, Hockey East is a clumped-up nightmare. Again, probably 3 of 5 to stay afloat. Only difference is that Conn has Providence on the docket, which can help them like Q helped us, but also has UNH, which is a trap game that BC doesn't quite have.
St Thomas: Augustana, Bemidji State 2x.
Minn State: Bowling Green, Northern Michigan 2x.
Lumping the CCHA teams together to talk about. BG winning is really good for St Thomas independent of its effect on Minn State. Simming away:
BG-AU - ST 54.60, MS 53.76.
BG-ST - ST 54.87 (and up to 14th), MS 53.75.
MS-AU - ST 54.10, MS 54.08. [Yikes for ST.]
MS-ST - ST 54.86 (14th), MS 54.44.
All of this is still in the 14-16 range, though, so it doesn't matter as much.
I don't think anyone below 16 can challenge up to where they're a threat to us, provided we go at least 2-1.
Just remember that there are still playoffs. Playing teams with high NPIs can reinforce existing positions.
Absolutely. Just saying what I can
see going forward. Playoffs still obviously throw a wrench in the works.
24 combined penalty minutes in 20 minutes of play between BC and UConn. BC's Minnetian and UConn's Richard hate each other. 3 coinciding penalties - so far! Game tied 1-1.
Quote from: stereax on February 21, 2026, 03:57:41 PM24 combined penalty minutes in 20 minutes of play between BC and UConn. BC's Minnetian and UConn's Richard hate each other. 3 coinciding penalties - so far! Game tied 1-1.
BC-UConn with a QUICK OT. Gustafsson, 2-1 BC.
Clarkson beat Brown in OT. Dartmouth up 3-1 on Union rn.
Shoot out in Schenectady after Union scores 2 in the 3rd to tie it.
Union and Dartmouth in SO! Looks like Dart won it, but still, good for us.
RPI wins a Freakout vs Harvard on 2 PPG and and empty net goal. Harvard has a goal reversed on review that would have made the score 2-0 in the 2nd. Very gutsy challenge. The Fridge doing the cookie commentary didn't have an opinion regarding whether it was a good goal.
It was a sell out crowd too. All their games should be Freakouts.
Scoreboard -
RPI beats Harvard. SLU over Yale, Q over Colgate. Dart again wins over Union but in SO. Clarkson over Brown in OT.
Our NPI is 55.36. A 2 seed is basically out of the question as far forward as I can see. Not that that's super important, but. Win the next two and then make it to Placid.
Biggest games next weekend -
Q v Dartmouth (I think Q winning is better for us because it sinks Dartmouth, but I'm on Team Meteor anyway.)
BC-BU derby
Conn-Mass derby
(pretty sure BU and Mass winning can help our NPI independently of sinking BC and Conn, but only a little bit)
Quote from: stereax on February 21, 2026, 03:57:41 PM24 combined penalty minutes in 20 minutes of play between BC and UConn. BC's Minnetian and UConn's Richard hate each other. 3 coinciding penalties - so far! Game tied 1-1.
please watch this it is hysterical (https://x.com/i/status/2025338893650854033)
Quote from: stereax on February 21, 2026, 09:54:58 PMQuote from: stereax on February 21, 2026, 03:57:41 PM24 combined penalty minutes in 20 minutes of play between BC and UConn. BC's Minnetian and UConn's Richard hate each other. 3 coinciding penalties - so far! Game tied 1-1.
please watch this it is hysterical (https://x.com/i/status/2025338893650854033)
I'm pretty sure that's dialogue from season 4 of "Letterkenny."
Quote from: adamw on January 31, 2026, 10:26:31 AMFor poops and giggles, I just added another column to this page:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/funfacts-ageavg.php
It's the age for each player as of today, weighted by the amount of games played. And each column is sortable.
Was just thinking about this - is there any way to like, assign each freshman a 1, sophomore 2, junior 3, senior 4, grad student 5, and then take the average of those numbers? To have kind of a... "runway meter", so to speak, where high numbers mean you're probably looking at significant changes the next year, vs low numbers meaning you probably have a "core" that's going to stick around for a few years yet.
(Didn't want to revive the Yale thread, lol.)
Interestingly, looks like most of the really good teams this year are super young. I suppose that tracks a bit, considering that your high-drafted prospects tend to start college at 18 or 19 and tend to cluster on the really good teams.
Brown has very quickly hired a new head coach (https://brownbears.com/news/2026/2/23/mens-ice-hockey-tom-upton-named-head-coach-of-brown-mens-hockey).
Quote from: Iceberg on February 23, 2026, 07:03:24 PMBrown has very quickly hired a new head coach (https://brownbears.com/news/2026/2/23/mens-ice-hockey-tom-upton-named-head-coach-of-brown-mens-hockey).
I hope he can elevate the program like Cashman and Syer have done with their programs. It would be great to see more Ivies have success, and it would be great for helping Cornell stay competitive on the national stage.
Quote from: pjd8 on February 23, 2026, 08:46:53 PMQuote from: Iceberg on February 23, 2026, 07:03:24 PMBrown has very quickly hired a new head coach (https://brownbears.com/news/2026/2/23/mens-ice-hockey-tom-upton-named-head-coach-of-brown-mens-hockey).
I hope he can elevate the program like Cashman and Syer have done with their programs. It would be great to see more Ivies have success, and it would be great for helping Cornell stay competitive on the national stage.
BEARLOVER! STAND DOWN. I REPEAT, STAND DOWN.
Quote from: Iceberg on February 23, 2026, 07:03:24 PMBrown has very quickly hired a new head coach (https://brownbears.com/news/2026/2/23/mens-ice-hockey-tom-upton-named-head-coach-of-brown-mens-hockey).
That photo belongs on a personal injury billboard.
Quote from: adamw on February 20, 2026, 12:49:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on February 19, 2026, 08:47:14 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 07:11:41 PMBecause Maine and UNH are cash-strapped state schools whose budgets have been decimated over the years. Maine has done better recently in trying to re-generate cash, and UNH is trying as well, with building renovations on the way and so on. This is much different than Denver or BU, because those schools are private and have more money, and have had bigger donors, and their teams have been more successful lately, so they've been able to keep up. I can't explain every little detail -- I don't have access to their budgets -- but it's clear from the way they each operate, and from what they've all told me, that the ability for UNH/Maine to keep up is harder compared to BU/Denver. This was already happening for years to UNH/Maine, with their facilities falling behind, and athletic dept. budgets taking a hit. So this stuff has only exacerbated it, making it harder to dig out. UNH and Vermont are currently the only schools in Hockey East without 3 assistant coaches. For whatever reason, schools like DU and BU have Rev Share budgets and UNH/Vermont do not. Throw a bunch of other schools like that into the mix, and now you're dwindling little by little the amount of programs that can keep up. Clarkson/St. Lawrence, pfft - forget it. I'm holding out hope for Colgate/RPI/Union, but I doubt it. The influx of major junior talent will help, but I suspect that it will help the big boys just as much and be a wash.
FWIW, I believe BU did not opt into the House settlement, meaning no rev share for them. But yeah, I should have used different examples rather than two state schools vs two private schools. My general point is that I'm not sure why Maine is that different from UMass, or why Denver is that different from CC. At the end of the day, it's going to come down to a few big donors. Maybe UMass has them and Maine doesn't, but that can change, and nobody really knows.
Well, some people do know. Just not necessarily everything. Just yesterday, UMass received a $1,000,000 endowment for the hockey program from a donor. That's good for about 1 player a year. Maine has had improvements in recent years, and may not be much different at the moment. It was well behind for a number of years.
Denver vs. CC ... CC is a D-III school, and about 1/4th the size, among other things. But CC will also get its share of donors.
Those comparisons were meant as hypotheticals. The point being that if School X is going to pay players, it will need donor support to do so (or otherwise would be forced to divert funding from another cash-strapped program/project), and there may be many schools in the same position as School X who could just as easily get that support. In college football and basketball we've seen different teams winning than in the past. Not because NIL has increased parity, but rather because certain schools may have greater donor support even if they are not traditional powers (eg. Indiana in football or Florida in basketball).
When I said "nobody really knows," I meant it's too early to know. Any advantage UMass has over Maine in paying players is contingent on an advantage in donor support that could change in the future.
QuoteUnless someone walks into your house and hands you a stack of canceled checks, you won't believe anything anyone tells you. But I'll keep pushing back nevertheless, not because I expect to ever convince you of anything, but just to help others.
I've already explained why I don't find convincing these generic broad-strokes commentaries on NIL/revenue sharing, so I'm not sure what you're hoping for by making this quip. Honestly, the $50K data point about Ryan Conmy (presumably it's him) is a lot more helpful than the usual discourse on this topic. Even assuming it's true and wasn't just sour grapes from someone connected to UNH, $50K from one of the very top programs to the ~best player in the portal doesn't strike me as indicative of widespread effects of NIL.
Quote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 03:57:17 PMSORRY - I meant to say best player on his team. Typing too fast. Where's my editor BeeeEj?
FYP. You're welcome.
In "other news", NHL hockey is back.
The New Jersey Devils (unlike Caton Ryan) are decidedly not good at hockey.
And we have a game tomorrow too...
Yeah, all my eggs are in the Cornell baskets (men's and women's, I'm not Donald Trump) to win anything important.
Quote from: BearLover on February 25, 2026, 03:13:38 PMI've already explained why I don't find convincing these generic broad-strokes commentaries on NIL/revenue sharing, so I'm not sure what you're hoping for by making this quip. Honestly, the $50K data point about Ryan Conmy (presumably it's him) is a lot more helpful than the usual discourse on this topic. Even assuming it's true and wasn't just sour grapes from someone connected to UNH, $50K from one of the very top programs to the ~best player in the portal doesn't strike me as indicative of widespread effects of NIL.
The problem, perhaps, is what you define as "widespread effects." ... Obviously things can fluctuate based on donors. That's a given. My definition of widespread effects is - mid-to-bottom tier school will no longer be able to outdo their smallness based on quality of coaching staff, and its ability to recruit and develop diamonds in the rough. They will lose (and already are) any player that becomes good. Therefore widening the gap.
Direct quote just today from another mid-tier school (one that has made the NCAAs in the past)...talking about his goalie:
"he's going to get offered more than $50k by a couple of Big Ten schools, but he likes it here, and he's comfortable here, and I think if we can get him $50k we can keep him" ...
"IF"!! So the coaches ID and develop a new stud, he actually likes the team and coaches - but they need to come up with $50k to keep him.
If you don't see the issue there - well, I dunno. Time to move on.
Quote from: Beeeej on February 25, 2026, 03:33:19 PMQuote from: adamw on February 19, 2026, 03:57:17 PMSORRY - I meant to say best player on his team. Typing too fast. Where's my editor BeeeEj?
FYP. You're welcome.
:'(
Tomorrow night we want BU over BC, UMass over UConn, Quinnipiac over Dartmouth, and Bemidji over St. Thomas. And CC over UMD I suppose, but if we catch UMD we're probably in regardless.
Hockey East results breaking our way...
Pretty much everything went right for us tonight except for Dartmouth beating Quinnipiac. If we win tomorrow the NCAA should be close to a lock.
Quote from: BearLover on February 27, 2026, 10:50:53 PMPretty much everything went right for us tonight except for Dartmouth beating Quinnipiac. If we win tomorrow the NCAA should be close to a lock.
I don't know about this. I mean that genuinely, I'm not criticizing. We could draw a very bad QF opponent if things go sideways in the First Round -- there are a bunch of ECAC teams in the mid 50s -- and even one loss to a hot goalie prior to advancing could be quite damaging, let alone 2 and ECAC exit.
But I didn't run any sim let alone a Monte Carlo so for all I know the cake is baked already. 11 just doesn't seem safe enough to fuck around.
Anyway, my #squadgoals are always Lake Placid and the ECAC title. The NC$$ is a fun exhibition afterwards to go commando and see what happens, but it's a made by and for media invitational, not Real Life.
Quote from: Trotsky on February 28, 2026, 06:18:49 AMQuote from: BearLover on February 27, 2026, 10:50:53 PMPretty much everything went right for us tonight except for Dartmouth beating Quinnipiac. If we win tomorrow the NCAA should be close to a lock.
I don't know about this. I mean that genuinely, I'm not criticizing. We could draw a very bad QF opponent if things go sideways in the First Round -- there are a bunch of ECAC teams in the mid 50s -- and even one loss to a hot goalie prior to advancing could be quite damaging, let alone 2 and ECAC exit.
But I didn't run any sim let alone a Monte Carlo so for all I know the cake is baked already. 11 just doesn't seem safe enough to fuck around.
Anyway, my #squadgoals are always Lake Placid and the ECAC title. The NC$$ is a fun exhibition afterwards to go commando and see what happens, but it's a made by and for media invitational, not Real Life.
I haven't run simulations either, but if we win tonight there will be a very large gap between us and the danger zone. To miss at that point it would probably take losing both games of our playoff series against an ECAC team in the 40s or 50s of the NPI, and even then we would have outs to make it.
Quote from: BearLover on February 28, 2026, 08:20:00 AMQuote from: Trotsky on February 28, 2026, 06:18:49 AMQuote from: BearLover on February 27, 2026, 10:50:53 PMPretty much everything went right for us tonight except for Dartmouth beating Quinnipiac. If we win tomorrow the NCAA should be close to a lock.
I don't know about this. I mean that genuinely, I'm not criticizing. We could draw a very bad QF opponent if things go sideways in the First Round -- there are a bunch of ECAC teams in the mid 50s -- and even one loss to a hot goalie prior to advancing could be quite damaging, let alone 2 and ECAC exit.
But I didn't run any sim let alone a Monte Carlo so for all I know the cake is baked already. 11 just doesn't seem safe enough to fuck around.
Anyway, my #squadgoals are always Lake Placid and the ECAC title. The NC$$ is a fun exhibition afterwards to go commando and see what happens, but it's a made by and for media invitational, not Real Life.
I haven't run simulations either, but if we win tonight there will be a very large gap between us and the danger zone. To miss at that point it would probably take losing both games of our playoff series against an ECAC team in the 40s or 50s of the NPI, and even then we would have outs to make it.
Yeah, from my understanding, make Placid and we should effectively be in. 11th is fine because there's next to no way every single autobid doesn't go to a top 16 team (Big Ten and NCHC will almost certainly, HEA and ECAC can be tossups, CCHA and AHA are likely not). Plus the gap between us and BC (12) is pretty big and it widens if BU wins again tonight (go Terriers ig).
I don't think I've ever seen a penalty called for "taunting" before. Where do they make the distinction between that and "unsportsmanlike conduct"?
(https://i.imgur.com/I6BuOCS_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
Quote from: sah67 on February 28, 2026, 11:25:54 PMI don't think I've ever seen a penalty called for "taunting" before. Where do they make the distinction between that and "unsportsmanlike conduct"?
(https://i.imgur.com/I6BuOCS_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
Isn't Takacs their goalie?
Quote from: stereax on February 28, 2026, 11:40:48 PMQuote from: sah67 on February 28, 2026, 11:25:54 PMI don't think I've ever seen a penalty called for "taunting" before. Where do they make the distinction between that and "unsportsmanlike conduct"?
(https://i.imgur.com/I6BuOCS_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
Isn't Takacs their goalie?
Yes. https://colgateathletics.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/andrew-takacs/16280
Quinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Quote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Quote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Can you easily display both side by side to see how many times a team has done both in the same season?
Eyeballing it, Cornell in the late 60's-1970 and 2002. Q recently, RPI mid 1980's, Harvard 1989.
I'd love to see that with notation on national titles won, since there's obvious correlation.
Quote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Ironically in a season without a shutout
Quote from: scoop85 on March 01, 2026, 08:00:03 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Ironically in a season without a shutout
...yet.
(Yes, I know the stats refer to regular season games.)
Quote from: pjd8 on March 01, 2026, 05:43:49 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Can you easily display both side by side to see how many times a team has done both in the same season?
Eyeballing it, Cornell in the late 60's-1970 and 2002. Q recently, RPI mid 1980's, Harvard 1989.
I'd love to see that with notation on national titles won, since there's obvious correlation.
As... you... wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiish (http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O_and_D.html).
An added gift: note the one man (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html) to achieve the double yet lose the NCAA title to another ECAC team.
Quote from: scoop85 on March 01, 2026, 08:00:03 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Ironically in a season without a shutout
Yet.
We have gone this late twice before and still kept the streak alive, the 2011 ECAC SF (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2011/box20110318.pdf) and the 2014 ECAC QF game 3 (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2014/box20140316.pdf).
Quote from: Trotsky on March 02, 2026, 01:58:18 AMQuote from: pjd8 on March 01, 2026, 05:43:49 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Can you easily display both side by side to see how many times a team has done both in the same season?
Eyeballing it, Cornell in the late 60's-1970 and 2002. Q recently, RPI mid 1980's, Harvard 1989.
I'd love to see that with notation on national titles won, since there's obvious correlation.
As... you... wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiish (http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O_and_D.html).
An added gift: note the one man (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html) to achieve the double yet lose the NCAA title to another ECAC team.
Just curious. How did you decide which of the probably many logos that each school has used over the years appears in your website? I had not noticed before that you were using a Dartmouth Indian which has to be quite old. Did you recently start using that one?
Quote from: Trotsky on March 02, 2026, 02:09:08 AMQuote from: scoop85 on March 01, 2026, 08:00:03 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Ironically in a season without a shutout
Yet.
We have gone this late twice before and still kept the streak alive, the 2011 ECAC SF (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2011/box20110318.pdf) and the 2014 ECAC QF game 3 (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2014/box20140316.pdf).
I was going to mention that. But then I was also going to mention that both those years the Big Red promptly lost their next game and ended their season, so I decided to shut up.
Quote from: ursusminor on March 02, 2026, 02:57:17 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 02, 2026, 01:58:18 AMQuote from: pjd8 on March 01, 2026, 05:43:49 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Can you easily display both side by side to see how many times a team has done both in the same season?
Eyeballing it, Cornell in the late 60's-1970 and 2002. Q recently, RPI mid 1980's, Harvard 1989.
I'd love to see that with notation on national titles won, since there's obvious correlation.
As... you... wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiish (http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O_and_D.html).
An added gift: note the one man (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html) to achieve the double yet lose the NCAA title to another ECAC team.
Just curious. How did you decide which of the probably many logos that each school has used over the years appears in your website? I had not noticed before that you were using a Dartmouth Indian which has to be quite old. Did you recently start using that one?
I suspect it's the logo from the time Trots was in school, lmao. (Though by the mid-1970s, Dartmouth discontinued its use of the "Indians" brand, stating that "use of the (Indian) symbol in any form [was] inconsistent with present institutional and academic objectives of the College in advancing Native American education" (https://dartmouthsports.com/sports/2018/5/31/590538).)
Quote from: stereax on March 02, 2026, 10:12:52 AMQuote from: ursusminor on March 02, 2026, 02:57:17 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 02, 2026, 01:58:18 AMQuote from: pjd8 on March 01, 2026, 05:43:49 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Can you easily display both side by side to see how many times a team has done both in the same season?
Eyeballing it, Cornell in the late 60's-1970 and 2002. Q recently, RPI mid 1980's, Harvard 1989.
I'd love to see that with notation on national titles won, since there's obvious correlation.
As... you... wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiish (http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O_and_D.html).
An added gift: note the one man (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html) to achieve the double yet lose the NCAA title to another ECAC team.
Just curious. How did you decide which of the probably many logos that each school has used over the years appears in your website? I had not noticed before that you were using a Dartmouth Indian which has to be quite old. Did you recently start using that one?
I suspect it's the logo from the time Trots was in school, lmao. (Though by the mid-1970s, Dartmouth discontinued its use of the "Indians" brand, stating that "use of the (Indian) symbol in any form [was] inconsistent with present institutional and academic objectives of the College in advancing Native American education" (https://dartmouthsports.com/sports/2018/5/31/590538).)
Yeah, Dartmouth was the Big Green when I was in school. The officially changed the name in 1974 (per Wiki).
https://x.com/rms_hockey/status/2028530920593006638
Looks good, but need to adjust for our mediocre SOS. I know sezenack was maintaining a metric that adjusted for SOS. sezenack, you reading this?
Quinnipiac on another level.
Quote from: Trotsky on March 02, 2026, 01:58:18 AMQuote from: pjd8 on March 01, 2026, 05:43:49 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 01, 2026, 02:11:05 PMQuote from: Give My Regards on March 01, 2026, 12:34:05 PMQuinnipiac's four goals against Harvard last night put their ECAC total at 102. Q becomes the first team with 100 goals in league play since St. Lawrence did it in the 1996-97 season.
Their 3rd Best Offense (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O.html) in the last 4 seasons. However, order has been restored to the universe (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_D.html).
Can you easily display both side by side to see how many times a team has done both in the same season?
Eyeballing it, Cornell in the late 60's-1970 and 2002. Q recently, RPI mid 1980's, Harvard 1989.
I'd love to see that with notation on national titles won, since there's obvious correlation.
As... you... wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiish (http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_History/ecac_RS_Best_O_and_D.html).
An added gift: note the one man (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html) to achieve the double yet lose the NCAA title to another ECAC team.
Very cool to see the progression leading up to each national title. The only one that comes out of the blue is BU in 1971, but that's because their lead up was overshadowed by Cornell's domination.
Wild story outta HEA (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/02_Hockey-East-Shuts-Down-Goal.php) - post-goal light effects are now banned after a play was improperly blown dead.
Quote from: stereax on March 03, 2026, 08:48:14 AMWild story outta HEA (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/02_Hockey-East-Shuts-Down-Goal.php) - post-goal light effects are now banned after a play was improperly blown dead.
Oops.
Are we the only place that doesn't do any goal horn or light show these days?
the advantage of having an Athletics who is slow to use new tech
Quote from: chimpfood on March 03, 2026, 10:12:30 AMAre we the only place that doesn't do any goal horn or light show these days?
Brown is the only other place I can think of, but I doubt those would improve the atmosphere there anyway
Quote from: Iceberg on March 03, 2026, 12:00:27 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 03, 2026, 10:12:30 AMAre we the only place that doesn't do any goal horn or light show these days?
Brown is the only other place I can think of, but I doubt those would improve the atmosphere there anyway
I heard they're planning to start using goal horns and light shows as soon as they start scoring goals.
Quote from: stereax on March 03, 2026, 08:48:14 AMWild story outta HEA (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/02_Hockey-East-Shuts-Down-Goal.php) - post-goal light effects are now banned after a play was improperly blown dead.
Presumably, play resumed with a face-off. There should be some mechanism for UConn to get possession of the puck in that scenario.
UMass beats BC 2-1. BC's NPI goes from 54.29 to 53.99. BC goes from #13 to #15.
Wisconsin beats Penn St. 7-3. Wisconsin's NPI goes from 54.53 to 55.03.
Quote from: jkahn on March 05, 2026, 09:37:23 PMUMass beats BC 2-1. BC's NPI goes from 54.29 to 53.99. BC goes from #13 to #15.
Wisconsin beats Penn St. 7-3. Wisconsin's NPI goes from 54.53 to 55.03.
Great news for BC haters.
Also, that brings Denver up to 7th in the NPI, somehow.
The more Penn State chokes the better for us.
Quote from: stereax on March 05, 2026, 09:58:07 PMAlso, that brings Denver up to 7th in the NPI, somehow.
The more Penn State chokes the better for us.
I just saw a bracket prediction that had us playing Denver in first round in Colorado, where Michigan is No. 1 seed. Not a great draw if it pans out!
Quote from: dbilmes on March 06, 2026, 08:21:23 AMQuote from: stereax on March 05, 2026, 09:58:07 PMAlso, that brings Denver up to 7th in the NPI, somehow.
The more Penn State chokes the better for us.
I just saw a bracket prediction that had us playing Denver in first round in Colorado, where Michigan is No. 1 seed. Not a great draw if it pans out!
Aye, but that's got Denver at 8. If Denver is at 7 and we stay at 9, we draw PSU, the 1 seed, and the AHA autobid, and are presumably mobile.
Quote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 10:05:58 AMQuote from: dbilmes on March 06, 2026, 08:21:23 AMQuote from: stereax on March 05, 2026, 09:58:07 PMAlso, that brings Denver up to 7th in the NPI, somehow.
The more Penn State chokes the better for us.
I just saw a bracket prediction that had us playing Denver in first round in Colorado, where Michigan is No. 1 seed. Not a great draw if it pans out!
Aye, but that's got Denver at 8. If Denver is at 7 and we stay at 9, we draw PSU, the 1 seed, and the AHA autobid, and are presumably mobile.
Maybe.
If Denver is 7 and Duluth is 10, they can't play each other in the first round (same conference) So they might swap us and Duluth and we still end up in Colorado.
Of course, they could always swap #10 Duluth and #11 Dartmouth (since Dartmouth can't play Q in the 1st round) and leave us in Albany to help attendance.
Who really knows how the committee thinks?
and again of the AD was doing the work, they would have hosted Albany Buff or something during this run to get us a favorable draw just one time we got in that was a done deal.
Much smaller schools have hosted and gotten it done.
Quote from: upprdeck on March 06, 2026, 10:46:44 AMand again of the AD was doing the work, they would have hosted Albany Buff or something during this run to get us a favorable draw just one time we got in that was a done deal.
Much smaller schools have hosted and gotten it done.
In the past RPI then the ECAC hosted Albany. Now it's our Ersatz Division III nemesis - Union.
Put on the SLU/Harvard game. Saints up 2-1 right now. There are maybe twenty people in the stands.
RPI now up 1-0.
SLU/Harvard tied at 3 with 4.19 in the 3rd.
I find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
Quote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
Clarkson has rallied to go up 2-1 on RPI with 8 mins to go.
Neither broadcast coming up for me on ESPN+.
Quote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:10:17 PMSLU/Harvard tied at 3 with 4.19 in the 3rd.
Overtime!
Quote from: Trotsky on March 06, 2026, 09:19:28 PMClarkson has rallied to go up 2-1 on RPI with 8 mins to go.
Neither broadcast coming up for me on ESPN+.
I've got the SLU/H game on ESPN+.
Also notable, Wisconsin winning vs PSU puts us up at 8th in the NPI.
Clarkson wins!
Let's go Harvard (gasp). Just to further the chance to wreck u repeatedly at Lynah next week.
Bright is 90% empty.
Quote from: Trotsky on March 06, 2026, 09:35:44 PMBright is 90% empty.
It's so bad. Every time someone complains about Lynah I want them to look at this.
Quote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:37:09 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 06, 2026, 09:35:44 PMBright is 90% empty.
It's so bad. Every time someone complains about Lynah I want them to look at this.
And the announcers keep referring to the "Crimson Faithful"
Quote from: Snowball on March 06, 2026, 09:50:14 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:37:09 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 06, 2026, 09:35:44 PMBright is 90% empty.
It's so bad. Every time someone complains about Lynah I want them to look at this.
And the announcers keep referring to the "Crimson Faithfu"
Oh my god I want to throttle them for that. That's us. Fuck off, "Crimson Faithful". Where are ANY of the so-called Faithful?
Quote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
Quote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
Oh, no, I don't mean the team. I mean the fact that I'm barely gonna be able to breathe in the Lynah pews and will most likely be dripping with fish juices because people above me think it's a good idea to throw fish from the 12 row behind the tunnel.
Penn State did us the courtesy of losing. We are now 8th in NPI. UMD is currently trailing St. Cloud. Go Huskies!
Quote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:56:45 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
Oh, no, I don't mean the team. I mean the fact that I'm barely gonna be able to breathe in the Lynah pews and will most likely be dripping with fish juices because people above me think it's a good idea to throw fish from the 12 row behind the tunnel.
Maybe we can start a GoFundMe for a hazmat suit....
Quote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:59:47 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:56:45 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
Oh, no, I don't mean the team. I mean the fact that I'm barely gonna be able to breathe in the Lynah pews and will most likely be dripping with fish juices because people above me think it's a good idea to throw fish from the 12 row behind the tunnel.
Maybe we can start a GoFundMe for a hazmat suit....
I think I just need a plastic raincoat like the penalty box guy wears 😂
Harvard wins it in OT.
Yipee
Loooooooooooooooooong review...
Quote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 10:10:41 PMHarvard wins it in OT.
Refs reviewing it for a LONG time.
Good goal.
Quote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
There was no possibility of us playing SLU next round (or really any round).
We are definitely more likely to lose to Harvard than any other possible opponent but at least we probably can't drop out of the NCAA tournament if we get swept by them.
With Harvard winning, assuming Union beats Brown and Colgate beats Yale, we get Harvard.
I'd much rather play Harvard than Colgate. Maybe it's just as well that Dartmouth won the seeding tiebreaker.
Quote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 10:00:26 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:59:47 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:56:45 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
Oh, no, I don't mean the team. I mean the fact that I'm barely gonna be able to breathe in the Lynah pews and will most likely be dripping with fish juices because people above me think it's a good idea to throw fish from the 12 row behind the tunnel.
Maybe we can start a GoFundMe for a hazmat suit....
I think I just need a plastic raincoat like the penalty box guy wears 😂
https://youtu.be/ykiGd-qzcwg
Quote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 10:16:07 PMWith Harvard winning, assuming Union beats Brown and Colgate beats Yale, we get Harvard.
I'd much rather play Harvard than Colgate. Maybe it's just as well that Dartmouth won the seeding tiebreaker.
If Union wins, Harvard goes to Lynah regardless of the result of the other game, which happens to start two hours later than the proceedings in Schenectady. We'll know earlier who will be in Ithaca.
Quote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 10:16:07 PMWith Harvard winning, assuming Union beats Brown and Colgate beats Yale, we get Harvard.
I'd much rather play Harvard than Colgate. Maybe it's just as well that Dartmouth won the seeding tiebreaker.
Harvard is annoying... Colgate is
scummy annoying. Prefer Harvard too.
Quote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 10:15:23 PMThere was no possibility of us playing SLU next round (or really any round).
Yes, it was more a comparison of where the two teams are at the moment. I'd rather take an underachiever than an overachiever in the postseason.
And I really don't want to play Colgate. Go Garnet Chargers and Go Bulldogs.
Quote from: Iceberg on March 06, 2026, 10:19:50 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 10:16:07 PMWith Harvard winning, assuming Union beats Brown and Colgate beats Yale, we get Harvard.
I'd much rather play Harvard than Colgate. Maybe it's just as well that Dartmouth won the seeding tiebreaker.
If Union wins, Harvard goes to Lynah regardless of the result of the other game, which happens to start two hours later than the proceedings in Schenectady. We'll know earlier who will be in Ithaca.
But if Yale beats Colgate, then we wouldn't have to worry about Colgate anyway. Nor would anyone else.
Let's hope Yale does everyone a public service tomorrow.
Quote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 10:15:23 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
There was no possibility of us playing SLU next round (or really any round).
We are definitely more likely to lose to Harvard than any other possible opponent but at least we probably can't drop out of the NCAA tournament if we get swept by them.
Really? I like our chances against Harvard better than our chances against Colgate. I sent the following to my daughters earlier, explaining my rationale.
"I think I'd prefer Harvard. 1) We beat Harvard twice this year. Colgate games were tougher. 2) We beat Colgate in their barn in this round last year. They will want revenge. 3) Colgate beat us at Lynah in this round a few years ago. 4) Colgate would bring more fans. 5) Harvard Sucks!"
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 06, 2026, 11:24:16 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 10:15:23 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
There was no possibility of us playing SLU next round (or really any round).
We are definitely more likely to lose to Harvard than any other possible opponent but at least we probably can't drop out of the NCAA tournament if we get swept by them.
Really? I like our chances against Harvard better than our chances against Colgate. I sent the following to my daughters earlier, explaining my rationale.
"I think I'd prefer Harvard. 1) We beat Harvard twice this year. Colgate games were tougher. 2) We beat Colgate in their barn in this round last year. They will want revenge. 3) Colgate beat us at Lynah in this round a few years ago. 4) Colgate would bring more fans. 5) Harvard Sucks!"
I just think Harvard is a better team than Colgate so therefore they would be harder to beat. I wouldn't read too much into a small sample (Colgate we beat and tied* whereas Harvard we beat twice). The other stuff you said is fun talking points for fans but doesn't have much bearing on how we match up with those teams this season. It's safe to assume whomever we face will be motivated and trying their absolute hardest.
*losing in 3x3 OT is closer to a tie than a loss and doesn't have much bearing on the postseason, which is all 5x5
Going into the postseason I'd have ranked possible opponents in the following order of difficulty:
Quinnipiac
Dartmouth
Union
Harvard/Clarkson/Princeton
Colgate/St. Lawrence/RPI
Yale
Brown
Quote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 11:51:54 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 06, 2026, 11:24:16 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 10:15:23 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
There was no possibility of us playing SLU next round (or really any round).
We are definitely more likely to lose to Harvard than any other possible opponent but at least we probably can't drop out of the NCAA tournament if we get swept by them.
Really? I like our chances against Harvard better than our chances against Colgate. I sent the following to my daughters earlier, explaining my rationale.
"I think I'd prefer Harvard. 1) We beat Harvard twice this year. Colgate games were tougher. 2) We beat Colgate in their barn in this round last year. They will want revenge. 3) Colgate beat us at Lynah in this round a few years ago. 4) Colgate would bring more fans. 5) Harvard Sucks!"
I just think Harvard is a better team than Colgate so therefore they would be harder to beat. I wouldn't read too much into a small sample (Colgate we beat and tied* whereas Harvard we beat twice). The other stuff you said is fun talking points for fans but doesn't have much bearing on how we match up with those teams this season. It's safe to assume whomever we face will be motivated and trying their absolute hardest.
*losing in 3x3 OT is closer to a tie than a loss and doesn't have much bearing on the postseason, which is all 5x5
Going into the postseason I'd have ranked possible opponents in the following order of difficulty:
Quinnipiac
Dartmouth
Union
Harvard/Clarkson/Princeton
Colgate/St. Lawrence/RPI
Yale
Brown
I can certainly see your points.
One more point for me preferring Harvard would be that that also means tougher opponents for Quinnipiac and Dartmouth. I'd love for us to make it to Placid and for one or both of Quinnipiac and Dartmouth not to.
End of night NPI is at 9 again, UMD hops over us. Denver jumps up to 5. Notably, NoDak is now #1, in part bc Mich State choked up a shootout loss to Minnesota. So pure chalk rn would have NoDak, us, Minn-Duluth, AHA autobid, almost certainly in Sioux Falls (while NoDak isn't hosting it, I see no world where they don't give them that regional). Everything subject to change tomorrow and in tournament games.
Quote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 11:51:54 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 06, 2026, 11:24:16 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 10:15:23 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
There was no possibility of us playing SLU next round (or really any round).
We are definitely more likely to lose to Harvard than any other possible opponent but at least we probably can't drop out of the NCAA tournament if we get swept by them.
Really? I like our chances against Harvard better than our chances against Colgate. I sent the following to my daughters earlier, explaining my rationale.
"I think I'd prefer Harvard. 1) We beat Harvard twice this year. Colgate games were tougher. 2) We beat Colgate in their barn in this round last year. They will want revenge. 3) Colgate beat us at Lynah in this round a few years ago. 4) Colgate would bring more fans. 5) Harvard Sucks!"
I just think Harvard is a better team than Colgate so therefore they would be harder to beat. I wouldn't read too much into a small sample (Colgate we beat and tied* whereas Harvard we beat twice). The other stuff you said is fun talking points for fans but doesn't have much bearing on how we match up with those teams this season. It's safe to assume whomever we face will be motivated and trying their absolute hardest.
*losing in 3x3 OT is closer to a tie than a loss and doesn't have much bearing on the postseason, which is all 5x5
Going into the postseason I'd have ranked possible opponents in the following order of difficulty:
Quinnipiac
Dartmouth
Union
Harvard/Clarkson/Princeton
Colgate/St. Lawrence/RPI
Yale
Brown
Harvard is the better team, but.....
Harvard was really lackluster last night With few fans, no band and no real spark to the team until they tied it up in the third, it felt like watching a practice rather than a playoff game. It's why they went to OT with SLU (even though the Saints have improved a lot this season, they are not great.). A long road trip to Ithaca will not help the Crimson.
Whereas Colgate has the satisfaction of having gotten under our skin this year and using that to win. They won't have forgotten that lesson. Harder will definitely have them riled up, and we are still a young team that can fall victim to that.
Over the years, our ace in the hole for playoffs has been passion. It's why we are a great underdog in the tournament. I would rather take my chances at channeling that passion against Harvard, than having to keep it under wraps against a Colgate team that has proven they can goad us into mistakes.
Quote from: pjd8 on March 07, 2026, 01:16:04 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 11:51:54 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 06, 2026, 11:24:16 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 06, 2026, 10:15:23 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 06, 2026, 09:53:56 PMQuote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 09:17:54 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 06, 2026, 09:11:59 PMI find myself hoping Harvard wins this, for the sake of our crowd next weekend
I am terrified for playoff Cornell/Harvard, if it happens.
I'd be more afraid of SLU. The Saints will get a Cinderella moral boost if they win. Harvard is playing so uninspired that I think we've got a much better chance of beating them in Lynah.
There was no possibility of us playing SLU next round (or really any round).
We are definitely more likely to lose to Harvard than any other possible opponent but at least we probably can't drop out of the NCAA tournament if we get swept by them.
Really? I like our chances against Harvard better than our chances against Colgate. I sent the following to my daughters earlier, explaining my rationale.
"I think I'd prefer Harvard. 1) We beat Harvard twice this year. Colgate games were tougher. 2) We beat Colgate in their barn in this round last year. They will want revenge. 3) Colgate beat us at Lynah in this round a few years ago. 4) Colgate would bring more fans. 5) Harvard Sucks!"
I just think Harvard is a better team than Colgate so therefore they would be harder to beat. I wouldn't read too much into a small sample (Colgate we beat and tied* whereas Harvard we beat twice). The other stuff you said is fun talking points for fans but doesn't have much bearing on how we match up with those teams this season. It's safe to assume whomever we face will be motivated and trying their absolute hardest.
*losing in 3x3 OT is closer to a tie than a loss and doesn't have much bearing on the postseason, which is all 5x5
Going into the postseason I'd have ranked possible opponents in the following order of difficulty:
Quinnipiac
Dartmouth
Union
Harvard/Clarkson/Princeton
Colgate/St. Lawrence/RPI
Yale
Brown
Harvard is the better team, but.....
Harvard was really lackluster last night With few fans, no band and no real spark to the team until they tied it up in the third, it felt like watching a practice rather than a playoff game. It's why they went to OT with SLU (even though the Saints have improved a lot this season, they are not great.). A long road trip to Ithaca will not help the Crimson.
Whereas Colgate has the satisfaction of having gotten under our skin this year and using that to win. They won't have forgotten that lesson. Harder will definitely have them riled up, and we are still a young team that can fall victim to that.
Over the years, our ace in the hole for playoffs has been passion. It's why we are a great underdog in the tournament. I would rather take my chances at channeling that passion against Harvard, than having to keep it under wraps against a Colgate team that has proven they can goad us into mistakes.
I don't quite understand what you are saying. Particularly the line "it's why we are a great underdog in the tournament."
I think if the roles were reversed we could just as easily say Harvard will be more motivated because we beat them twice or because they want to stick it to our fans or because they just came off a thrilling OT win. It's always easy to find (arbitrary) reasons why Team A will be more motivated or have more mojo than Team B.
It's the playoffs. Everyone will be maximally motivated. That factor is a wash.
Hockey games are decided not by the fans or the bus ride or a desire for vengeance. They're decided by matchups and which team is better.
Harvard has much better players than Colgate and was an altogether better team this season. Both teams play a north-south run-and-gun style that tries to beat you in transition, but Harvard's players are faster and more skilled. My conclusion: Harvard is a tougher matchup.
It doesn't really matter at this point. Selfishly, I'd like to see us play Colgate instead because one Harvard Game per year is enough.
2-0 Union in the 2nd and it probably would be a bigger difference if not for a few desperation saves from the Brown goaltender
4-0
Thank you Union!!
Brown needs a complete rebuild. Union is good and will be a tough out for Princeton, assuming Colgate beats Yale.
Quote from: Snowball on March 07, 2026, 06:25:58 PM4-0
Thank you Union!!
Thanks for what exactly lol
Would have been cool to see Brown win IMO
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:06:17 PMQuote from: Snowball on March 07, 2026, 06:25:58 PM4-0
Thank you Union!!
Thanks for what exactly lol
Would have been cool to see Brown win IMO
For all the talk about attendance, I would think you'd be overjoyed. The games are guaranteed to be sellouts now
Quote from: Iceberg on March 07, 2026, 07:13:09 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:06:17 PMQuote from: Snowball on March 07, 2026, 06:25:58 PM4-0
Thank you Union!!
Thanks for what exactly lol
Would have been cool to see Brown win IMO
For all the talk about attendance, I would think you'd be overjoyed. The games are guaranteed to be sellouts now
They'd be well attended if we played Colgate too. This seems like a "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" situation. Celebrating that we will be paired against the higher ranked and higher seeded team...you had better hope Cornell wins...
9-0 Union final. Wow.
Union wins 9-0, scoring 5 goals and outshooting Brown 26-2 in the third period even though they were already up 4-0 heading into it. That suggests to me they were running up the score. Not a good look, very Rand Pecknold-like. I feel bad for the Brown players and coaches.
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:30:07 PMUnion wins 9-0, scoring 5 goals and outshooting Brown 26-2 in the third period even though they were already up 4-0 heading into it. That suggests to me they were running up the score. Not a good look, very Rand Pecknold-like. I feel bad for the Brown players and coaches.
Less running up the score and more that Brown is a bad team and has been for years. This new coach coming in is going to have a tall task ahead of him, assuming he even gets the right support from the Brown administration
Fun fact about St. Lawrence: they won one road game all season. They were 4 minutes away from doubling that total Friday night against Harvard, but couldn't seal the deal.
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:22:56 PMQuote from: Iceberg on March 07, 2026, 07:13:09 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:06:17 PMQuote from: Snowball on March 07, 2026, 06:25:58 PM4-0
Thank you Union!!
Thanks for what exactly lol
Would have been cool to see Brown win IMO
For all the talk about attendance, I would think you'd be overjoyed. The games are guaranteed to be sellouts now
They'd be well attended if we played Colgate too. This seems like a "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" situation. Celebrating that we will be paired against the higher ranked and higher seeded team...you had better hope Cornell wins...
We all hope Cornell wins.
It's also not inconceivable that we match up better against Harvard than Colgate.
And for what it's worth, from Casey's email this week, which I won't quote since he has asked that we not do that here, it actually sounds like he and the team may have been hoping for Harvard. (IYKYK.)
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 07, 2026, 07:47:45 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:22:56 PMQuote from: Iceberg on March 07, 2026, 07:13:09 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:06:17 PMQuote from: Snowball on March 07, 2026, 06:25:58 PM4-0
Thank you Union!!
Thanks for what exactly lol
Would have been cool to see Brown win IMO
For all the talk about attendance, I would think you'd be overjoyed. The games are guaranteed to be sellouts now
They'd be well attended if we played Colgate too. This seems like a "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" situation. Celebrating that we will be paired against the higher ranked and higher seeded team...you had better hope Cornell wins...
We all hope Cornell wins.
It's also not inconceivable that we match up better against Harvard than Colgate.
And for what it's worth, from Casey's email this week, which I won't quote since he has asked that we not do that here, it actually sounds like he and the team may have been hoping for Harvard. (IYKYK.)
i still worry that casey and the coaching staff want to beat me up with hammers for that 😭
But agreed - I think we match up better against Harvard. Gate tends to make us ultragoony, and ultragooniness can sink this team. Harvard plays a less... aggressive, game.
Colgate down 2-0 to Yale in the 2nd. Keep in mind that since Harder has been coach, he's never won a playoff game. Clarkson also probably wouldn't mind this result holding, as it means they would go to Hanover instead of Hamden
We didn't get any help from Connecticut vs Providence earlier, but St. Cloud State currently up 1-0 over Minnesota-Duluth early in the second.
BC band is playing Can't Hold Us by Macklemore.
Relatedly, they're up 2-0 vs Northeastern.
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 07, 2026, 08:06:51 PMWe didn't get any help from Connecticut vs Providence earlier, but St. Cloud State currently up 1-0 over Minnesota-Duluth early in the second.
On the flip side, if you're a pessimist like me and focused on the 1% chance Cornell misses the tournament, Providence beating UConn was a good result for us.
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 08:35:29 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 07, 2026, 08:06:51 PMWe didn't get any help from Connecticut vs Providence earlier, but St. Cloud State currently up 1-0 over Minnesota-Duluth early in the second.
On the flip side, if you're a pessimist like me and focused on the 1% chance Cornell misses the tournament, Providence beating UConn was a good result for us.
Agreeing here. At this rate, we won't catch Prov anyway. Better to beat down the guys below us.
Quote from: stereax on March 07, 2026, 08:07:36 PMBC band is playing Can't Hold Us by Macklemore.
Relatedly, they're up 2-0 vs Northeastern.
Tie game now (same score at Hamilton, too). Also some close NCHC games that have NPI implications are going on.
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:30:07 PMUnion wins 9-0, scoring 5 goals and outshooting Brown 26-2 in the third period even though they were already up 4-0 heading into it. That suggests to me they were running up the score. Not a good look, very Rand Pecknold-like. I feel bad for the Brown players and coaches.
Final SOG were 59-22 :o Can't remember the last time I saw a team nearly crack 60 SOG in an ECAC game (regular season or playoffs).
Quote from: dbilmes on March 07, 2026, 07:44:50 PMFun fact about St. Lawrence: they won one road game all season. They were 4 minutes away from doubling that total Friday night against Harvard, but couldn't seal the deal.
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Quote from: dbilmes on March 07, 2026, 07:44:50 PMFun fact about St. Lawrence: they won one road game all season. They were 4 minutes away from doubling that total Friday night against Harvard, but couldn't seal the deal.
I keep forgetting the first round is one-and-done. I just looked all over the CHN scoreboard trying to find tonight's Harvard/ SLU game
Quote from: sah67 on March 07, 2026, 08:57:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 07:30:07 PMUnion wins 9-0, scoring 5 goals and outshooting Brown 26-2 in the third period even though they were already up 4-0 heading into it. That suggests to me they were running up the score. Not a good look, very Rand Pecknold-like. I feel bad for the Brown players and coaches.
Final SOG were 59-22 :o Can't remember the last time I saw a team nearly crack 60 SOG in an ECAC game (regular season or playoffs).
Brown fan on Reddit explaining just how ass the team is. (https://www.reddit.com/r/collegehockey/s/sHAqyHT7YT)
Quote from: Iceberg on March 07, 2026, 08:50:41 PMQuote from: stereax on March 07, 2026, 08:07:36 PMBC band is playing Can't Hold Us by Macklemore.
Relatedly, they're up 2-0 vs Northeastern.
Tie game now (same score at Hamilton, too). Also some close NCHC games that have NPI implications are going on.
BC loses to Northeastern and drops out of autobid territory. Woot!
Quote from: Iceberg on March 07, 2026, 08:50:41 PMQuote from: stereax on March 07, 2026, 08:07:36 PMBC band is playing Can't Hold Us by Macklemore.
Relatedly, they're up 2-0 vs Northeastern.
Tie game now (same score at Hamilton, too). Also some close NCHC games that have NPI implications are going on.
Colgate scores with 4 minutes to go and wins it 3-2. God, poor Yale.
Minnesota-Duluth and St. Cloud now in OT, tied at 1. Have to think we leapfrog Minnesota-Duluth, even if they win.
I've been out, and periodically checking the score on CHN. It looked like Minn-Duluth had tied it with about five minutes to go, but that goal must have been overturned, because I looked later and the goal was gone.
Then they tied it with 31 seconds to go. The app took a long time before it showed them going to OT, so I'm wondering if that goal was also reviewed.
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 07, 2026, 10:02:14 PMMinnesota-Duluth and St. Cloud now in OT, tied at 1. Have to think we leapfrog Minnesota-Duluth, even if they win.
I've been out, and periodically checking the score on CHN. It looked like Minn-Duluth had tied it with about five minutes to go, but that goal must have been overturned, because I looked later and the goal was gone.
Then they tied it with 31 seconds to go. The app took a long time before it showed them going to OT, so I'm wondering if that goal was also reviewed.
OT wins count as 1.0 of a win in the playoffs since it's 5 on 5, plus there's no home/road weightings. If that is why you said we should leapfrog them.
Quote from: chimpfood on March 07, 2026, 10:08:57 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 07, 2026, 10:02:14 PMMinnesota-Duluth and St. Cloud now in OT, tied at 1. Have to think we leapfrog Minnesota-Duluth, even if they win.
I've been out, and periodically checking the score on CHN. It looked like Minn-Duluth had tied it with about five minutes to go, but that goal must have been overturned, because I looked later and the goal was gone.
Then they tied it with 31 seconds to go. The app took a long time before it showed them going to OT, so I'm wondering if that goal was also reviewed.
OT wins count as 1.0 of a win in the playoffs since it's 5 on 5, plus there's no home/road weightings. If that is why you said we should leapfrog them.
Yeah they went from .78 to .96.
Quote from: chimpfood on March 07, 2026, 10:08:57 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 07, 2026, 10:02:14 PMMinnesota-Duluth and St. Cloud now in OT, tied at 1. Have to think we leapfrog Minnesota-Duluth, even if they win.
I've been out, and periodically checking the score on CHN. It looked like Minn-Duluth had tied it with about five minutes to go, but that goal must have been overturned, because I looked later and the goal was gone.
Then they tied it with 31 seconds to go. The app took a long time before it showed them going to OT, so I'm wondering if that goal was also reviewed.
OT wins count as 1.0 of a win in the playoffs since it's 5 on 5, plus there's no home/road weightings. If that is why you said we should leapfrog them.
My thinking it was the same as regular season was why I mistakenly thought that. 31 seconds. Oh well.
Quote from: stereax on March 07, 2026, 10:16:28 PMQuote from: chimpfood on March 07, 2026, 10:08:57 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 07, 2026, 10:02:14 PMMinnesota-Duluth and St. Cloud now in OT, tied at 1. Have to think we leapfrog Minnesota-Duluth, even if they win.
I've been out, and periodically checking the score on CHN. It looked like Minn-Duluth had tied it with about five minutes to go, but that goal must have been overturned, because I looked later and the goal was gone.
Then they tied it with 31 seconds to go. The app took a long time before it showed them going to OT, so I'm wondering if that goal was also reviewed.
OT wins count as 1.0 of a win in the playoffs since it's 5 on 5, plus there's no home/road weightings. If that is why you said we should leapfrog them.
Yeah they went from .78 to .96.
And would have dropped to 12th and .31 if they had lost. Wow!
In terms of just making the NCAAs, I think tonight was pretty good. BC, UConn, and Mankato lost. On the other hand, Augustana won and St. Thomas is winning. But another big development is that chalk advanced in the NCHC, meaning no automatic qualifier from that league can steal a bid.
I'm almost certain that if we don't get swept by Harvard, we're in. And even if we do get swept, it's going to be difficult to find ways for enough teams to pass us. Even if a non-Providence team wins HE, it seems difficult for a second HE team to get an at-large bid. Same for the CCHA—I don't see how a team can pass us without winning the conference tournament. I believe CCHA semis and finals are just a single game, so a team would have to go 1-1 to get an at-large bid and pass us, which doesn't seem possible.
So if we get swept next weekend, the teams likely ahead of us would be
4 NCHC
4 B10
1 HE
2 ECAC
(11 total)
And then you'd need 5 auto-bids to pass us. That's going to happen in Atlantic Hockey and the CCHA, and can't happen in the NCHC, but for the other 3 conferences it's still up in the air.
Conclusion: for us to miss the NCAAs, we'd have to get swept by Harvard, AND each of HE, B10, and ECAC would have to be won by teams that would not otherwise receive an at-large bid. (And then we still have other outs like Dartmouth getting swept by Colgate or Wisconsin/PSU losing to a lower seed.)
Caveat: I didn't check my work.
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 10:37:24 PMIn terms of just making the NCAAs, I think tonight was pretty good. BC, UConn, and Mankato lost. On the other hand, Augustana won and St. Thomas is winning. But another big development is that chalk advanced in the NCHC, meaning no automatic qualifier from that league can steal a bid.
I'm almost certain that if we don't get swept by Harvard, we're in. And even if we do get swept, it's going to be difficult to find ways for enough teams to pass us. Even if a non-Providence team wins HE, it seems difficult for a second HE team to get an at-large bid. Same for the CCHA—I don't see how a team can pass us without winning the conference tournament. I believe CCHA semis and finals are just a single game, so a team would have to go 1-1 to get an at-large bid and pass us, which doesn't seem possible.
So if we get swept next weekend, the teams likely ahead of us would be
4 NCHC
4 B10
1 HE
2 ECAC
(11 total)
And then you'd need 5 auto-bids to pass us. That's going to happen in Atlantic Hockey and the CCHA, and can't happen in the NCHC, but for the other 3 conferences it's still up in the air.
Conclusion: for us to miss the NCAAs, we'd have to get swept by Harvard, AND each of HE, B10, and ECAC would have to be won by teams that would not otherwise receive an at-large bid. (And then we still have other outs like Dartmouth getting swept by Colgate or Wisconsin/PSU losing to a lower seed.)
Caveat: I didn't check my work.
Eh, actually it's probably not that hard for a HE school like UMass to pass us if they lose to Prov in the HE final. So that's one fewer spot than in my above hypothetical. There are a lot of permutations.
Conditional on us getting swept, we still have a good shot, but not guaranteed.
Meanwhile, CHN's NCAA probability matrix now says we have a 100% shot. I've had my disagreements with this model before, and unless it's been fixed I believe it continues to underrate the odds of an upset. Still, if it says 100%, then the odds of an upset should not matter because 100% means we don't care about the outcome of any game.
I'm surprised at 100%, because I would have thought that, as one example, the following combination of results could knock us out:
Harvard sweeps us
UMass loses to Providence in HE final
Someone outside the top 3 seeds win ECAC
Notre Dame beats PSU in B10 final after PSU beats Wisco in semifinal
Update: now the CHN model gives us a 94% chance of making it :o
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 10:58:42 PMUpdate: now the CHN model gives us a 94% chance of making it :o
Man, NPI math is painful 😭 I'll run some sims tomorrow on my laptop.
https://www.playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournpartprob.html
This one has it at 99% even if we lose out.
IF we get swept by Harvard, we drop to 54.51 and 12th. Split the first two, 55.31 exiting Saturday. Sweep, 56.10. None of this plays with other teams' results, which can mess things around.
I think we have an autobid all but locked at this point. If/when we make Placid I think it's guaranteed.
But win at Placid and none of this matters 😂
Quote from: BearLover on March 07, 2026, 10:58:42 PMUpdate: now the CHN model gives us a 94% chance of making it :o
you likely caught it mid-build. It takes 90 minutes to run the 20,000 simulations. It says at the top how many runs there have been so far. Cornell settled at 99.7%
We actually did make improvements to the underlying KRACH that drives this - smoothing extremes, which should help mitigate the upset stuff. Nevertheless, there is a good reason that teams up to 12 are virtual locks at this point. The gaps in NPI after that, plus the unlikelihood of any outside teams stealing spots. The current gap from 12 to 13 in NPI is wider than the gap from 12 to 7.
The relevant question is: provided we get swept by Harvard, which teams behind us in the NPI would catch us by losing in their league's championship game? I think UMass and UConn would, but what about Augustana? BC?
Quote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 05:40:19 PMThe relevant question is: provided we get swept by Harvard, which teams behind us in the NPI would catch us by losing in their league's championship game? I think UMass and UConn would, but what about Augustana? BC?
I seriously doubt we get swept by Harvard. That's an area of hypotheticals that I'm not even thinking about.
(Besides, only one of UMass/UConn/BC can lose the HEA championship.)
Quote from: stereax on March 09, 2026, 05:41:58 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 05:40:19 PMThe relevant question is: provided we get swept by Harvard, which teams behind us in the NPI would catch us by losing in their league's championship game? I think UMass and UConn would, but what about Augustana? BC?
I seriously doubt we get swept by Harvard. That's an area of hypotheticals that I'm not even thinking about.
(Besides, only one of UMass/UConn/BC can lose the HEA championship.)
Right, but getting swept by Harvard is the only set of hypotheticals where we miss the NCAAs.
Quote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 05:52:28 PMQuote from: stereax on March 09, 2026, 05:41:58 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 05:40:19 PMThe relevant question is: provided we get swept by Harvard, which teams behind us in the NPI would catch us by losing in their league's championship game? I think UMass and UConn would, but what about Augustana? BC?
I seriously doubt we get swept by Harvard. That's an area of hypotheticals that I'm not even thinking about.
(Besides, only one of UMass/UConn/BC can lose the HEA championship.)
Right, but getting swept by Harvard is the only set of hypotheticals where we miss the NCAAs.
It's gotta be like. Get swept by Harvard, you need basically every conference to have an autobid winner too, and probably some fuckery with Hockey East brackets and losses too.
Quote from: stereax on March 09, 2026, 05:55:05 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 05:52:28 PMQuote from: stereax on March 09, 2026, 05:41:58 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 05:40:19 PMThe relevant question is: provided we get swept by Harvard, which teams behind us in the NPI would catch us by losing in their league's championship game? I think UMass and UConn would, but what about Augustana? BC?
I seriously doubt we get swept by Harvard. That's an area of hypotheticals that I'm not even thinking about.
(Besides, only one of UMass/UConn/BC can lose the HEA championship.)
Right, but getting swept by Harvard is the only set of hypotheticals where we miss the NCAAs.
It's gotta be like. Get swept by Harvard, you need basically every conference to have an autobid winner too, and probably some fuckery with Hockey East brackets and losses too.
Thus my question. Assuming 1-12 are locks besides us, how many other teams can pass us in the NPI without winning their tournaments? UMass or UConn presumably yes, but not sure about BC or Augustana.
For example, if UMass loses to UConn in HE final, that's two bids swiped. CCHA winner is another bid swiped. Atlantic Hockey is another. That would mean we can't afford an automatic qualifier from ECAC/B10, and also we can't afford for Augustana to pass us in NPI.
Quote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 06:04:47 PMQuote from: stereax on March 09, 2026, 05:55:05 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 05:52:28 PMQuote from: stereax on March 09, 2026, 05:41:58 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 09, 2026, 05:40:19 PMThe relevant question is: provided we get swept by Harvard, which teams behind us in the NPI would catch us by losing in their league's championship game? I think UMass and UConn would, but what about Augustana? BC?
I seriously doubt we get swept by Harvard. That's an area of hypotheticals that I'm not even thinking about.
(Besides, only one of UMass/UConn/BC can lose the HEA championship.)
Right, but getting swept by Harvard is the only set of hypotheticals where we miss the NCAAs.
It's gotta be like. Get swept by Harvard, you need basically every conference to have an autobid winner too, and probably some fuckery with Hockey East brackets and losses too.
Thus my question. Assuming 1-12 are locks besides us, how many other teams can pass us in the NPI without winning their tournaments? UMass or UConn presumably yes, but not sure about BC or Augustana.
For example, if UMass loses to UConn in HE final, that's two bids swiped. CCHA winner is another bid swiped. Atlantic Hockey is another. That would mean we can't afford an automatic qualifier from ECAC/B10, and also we can't afford for Augustana to pass us in NPI.
I appreciate the exercise you are going through. I must say, though, as an optimist to your pessimist it has made me think about us being swept by Harvard more than I ever would have.
So how about looking at the other side of things...
If we win out how high are we likely to climb? Would a 2-seed (top eight) be pretty much assured? What if we only make it to the final game, but lose in the finals?
Optimistic minds want to know...
Watching the BU-UVM playoff game and wow this place is empty. What the hell?
Quote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 06:43:17 PMWatching the BU-UVM playoff game and wow this place is empty. What the hell?
Often in places like Clarkson, students get into regular season games for free, but for the first rounds of the playoffs, the leagues mandate charging for tickets. Kids say "eff that" and stay home. This round typically has woeful attendances at smaller Eastern schools despite "playoffs."
I don't know if that's the case at Vermont.
Edit: it's also a Wednesday night and fans who might come from farther away decide to skip so they can work in the morning.
Quote from: RichH on March 11, 2026, 07:06:07 PMQuote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 06:43:17 PMWatching the BU-UVM playoff game and wow this place is empty. What the hell?
Often in places like Clarkson, students get into regular season games for free, but for the first rounds of the playoffs, the leagues mandate charging for tickets. Kids say "eff that" and stay home. This round typically has woeful attendances at smaller Eastern schools despite "playoffs."
I don't know if that's the case at Vermont.
It's at BU.
Quote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 07:06:27 PMQuote from: RichH on March 11, 2026, 07:06:07 PMQuote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 06:43:17 PMWatching the BU-UVM playoff game and wow this place is empty. What the hell?
Often in places like Clarkson, students get into regular season games for free, but for the first rounds of the playoffs, the leagues mandate charging for tickets. Kids say "eff that" and stay home. This round typically has woeful attendances at smaller Eastern schools despite "playoffs."
I don't know if that's the case at Vermont.
It's at BU.
Ah, sorry. I assumed by your ordering of the teams that it was at Burlington.
Welp, screw BU, and their lame fans too.
Quote from: RichH on March 11, 2026, 07:10:38 PMQuote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 07:06:27 PMQuote from: RichH on March 11, 2026, 07:06:07 PMQuote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 06:43:17 PMWatching the BU-UVM playoff game and wow this place is empty. What the hell?
Often in places like Clarkson, students get into regular season games for free, but for the first rounds of the playoffs, the leagues mandate charging for tickets. Kids say "eff that" and stay home. This round typically has woeful attendances at smaller Eastern schools despite "playoffs."
I don't know if that's the case at Vermont.
It's at BU.
Ah, sorry. I assumed by your ordering of the teams that it was at Burlington.
Welp, screw BU, and their lame fans too.
Sorry 😅
BU is up 1-0 exiting the first... interestingly, Boisvert is a healthy scratch.
Quote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 07:12:03 PMQuote from: RichH on March 11, 2026, 07:10:38 PMQuote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 07:06:27 PMQuote from: RichH on March 11, 2026, 07:06:07 PMQuote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 06:43:17 PMWatching the BU-UVM playoff game and wow this place is empty. What the hell?
Often in places like Clarkson, students get into regular season games for free, but for the first rounds of the playoffs, the leagues mandate charging for tickets. Kids say "eff that" and stay home. This round typically has woeful attendances at smaller Eastern schools despite "playoffs."
I don't know if that's the case at Vermont.
It's at BU.
Ah, sorry. I assumed by your ordering of the teams that it was at Burlington.
Welp, screw BU, and their lame fans too.
Sorry 😅
BU is up 1-0 exiting the first... interestingly, Boisvert is a healthy scratch.
Announcers just mentioned the students are on break, which could explain the lack of people there. They compare it to a 1 pm regional or a Beanpot third place game. (Of course.)
Also, a Top Ten Cole Hutson Defensive Play makes it 1-1.
Quote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 07:31:53 PMor a Beanpot third place game. (Of course.)
...aka, the "Harvard Cup."
Quote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 06:43:17 PMWatching the BU-UVM playoff game and wow this place is empty. What the hell?
This gets brought up every year - and because I'm old, I've answered this question a hundred times...
- every arena in the country goes through the same thing in playoffs
- most places it's spring break
- tickets are more expensive and not part of the initial package, meaning you have to plan to buy more on short notice.
It's one of the reasons Hockey East - and other leagues - went away from series. Winds up being a money loser to play more games.
(BU's basketball team is also playing in its league championship game tonight)
Quote from: adamw on March 11, 2026, 08:45:31 PMQuote from: stereax on March 11, 2026, 06:43:17 PMWatching the BU-UVM playoff game and wow this place is empty. What the hell?
This gets brought up every year - and because I'm old, I've answered this question a hundred times...
- every arena in the country goes through the same thing in playoffs
- most places it's spring break
- tickets are more expensive and not part of the initial package, meaning you have to plan to buy more on short notice.
It's one of the reasons Hockey East - and other leagues - went away from series. Winds up being a money loser to play more games.
(BU's basketball team is also playing in its league championship game tonight)
That tracks. Annoying as hell. Weird because it feels like at Lynah, we get MORE people for playoffs...
Relatedly, BU wins, 4-1.
Merrimack is leading Lowell 4-1, Northeastern is leading UNH 5-3. Michigan predictably beating on Notre Dame. Penn State leading Minnesota. Ohio State is leading Wisconsin, which is great for us.
Interesting graphic on the UNH-NEU feed:
(https://i.ibb.co/r2TrXfFJ/IMG20260311210615.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GQBSr3nj)
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 09, 2026, 06:37:48 PMSo how about looking at the other side of things...
If we win out how high are we likely to climb? Would a 2-seed (top eight) be pretty much assured? What if we only make it to the final game, but lose in the finals?
Optimistic minds want to know...
In the McNally mailbag article that Stereax linked to, McNally wrote:
"And hey, if Cornell plays its cards right and wins out, and some other dominoes fall, the Red could even inch up to a No. 2 seed — then we could be having a different conversation. Cornell has a 36% chance of shifting up from a No. 3 seed to a No. 2, per College Hockey News."
I couldn't find it directly on the CHN site, but a Google search indicates CHN has Cornell at 22% to win out.
I have to think that if we are 36% to be a two seed - 9%, 8%, 6%, 12%, for finishing 5,6,7,8 respectively in NPI (guessing rounding accounts for the 36% McNally reported vs. the 35% the numbers in the matrix add up to) - then winning out through and including the championship game probably puts us pretty solidly at 8 or higher.
Edit: I found the 22% on the CHN site. It is in the same probability matrix I pulled the top 8 NPI percentages from. They have columns for IN, At Large, and Automatic Qualifier (winning the league tournament.) They show Cornell at 99.4% IN, 78% AL, and 22% AQ.
(Really useful stuff on CHN, Adam! Thank you!)
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 12, 2026, 01:19:24 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 09, 2026, 06:37:48 PMSo how about looking at the other side of things...
If we win out how high are we likely to climb? Would a 2-seed (top eight) be pretty much assured? What if we only make it to the final game, but lose in the finals?
Optimistic minds want to know...
In the McNally mailbag article that Stereax linked to, McNally wrote:
"And hey, if Cornell plays its cards right and wins out, and some other dominoes fall, the Red could even inch up to a No. 2 seed — then we could be having a different conversation. Cornell has a 36% chance of shifting up from a No. 3 seed to a No. 2, per College Hockey News."
I couldn't find it directly on the CHN site, but a Google search indicates CHN has Cornell at 22% to win out.
I have to think that if we are 36% to be a two seed - 9%, 8%, 6%, 12%, for finishing 5,6,7,8 respectively in NPI (guessing rounding accounts for the 36% McNally reported vs. the 35% the numbers in the matrix add up to) - then winning out through and including the championship game probably puts us pretty solidly at 8 or higher.
Edit: I found the 22% on the CHN site. It is in the same probability matrix I pulled the top 8 NPI percentages from. They have columns for IN, At Large, and Automatic Qualifier (winning the league tournament.) They show Cornell at 99.4% IN, 78% AL, and 22% AQ.
(Really useful stuff on CHN, Adam! Thank you!)
Being a 2 seed would be AWESOME. Hopefully we pull it off.
Just gotta play em one game at a time...
Quote from: Trotsky on March 12, 2026, 05:21:19 PMJust gotta play em one game at a time...
"Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
After their Friday wins, Princeton is 13-2-1 at home and Dartmouth is 15-1-2. That'll play.
Not sure why but the Clarkson vs. Quinnipiac game today is a 4:00 PM start.
Quote from: BearLover on March 13, 2026, 09:14:36 PMQuote from: Snowball on March 07, 2026, 06:25:58 PM4-0
Thank you Union!!
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Yes, I wanted Harvard for the atmosphere. You may have been right that a different opponent would have been easier — but we'll never know.
My feeling is that the issue isn't the opponent; it's that our play needs to be a bit sharper.
Let's see what Cornell can do tonight.
What a strange feed for UConn-BU. A camera on the in-rink clock in the corner?
Rough weekend so far but at least BU's season is over.
Quote from: BearLover on March 14, 2026, 03:30:39 PMRough weekend so far but at least BU's season is over.
Part of me is sad (friends, prospects on teams I like)... but overwhelmingly I am ecstatic I get to rub this in my friend's face.
Speaking of, they said UConn was 14th in the NPI, I think? How does that change after this one?
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 03:38:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 14, 2026, 03:30:39 PMRough weekend so far but at least BU's season is over.
Part of me is sad (friends, prospects on teams I like)... but overwhelmingly I am ecstatic I get to rub this in my friend's face.
Speaking of, they said UConn was 14th in the NPI, I think? How does that change after this one?
I think they end up behind Cornell in NPI no matter what (unless they win HE). So they can get an at-large, but Cornell gets in ahead of them, unless they win HE.
Speaking of, if Providence wins HE, we are in the NCAAs. But that can't happen until next weekend. Providence plays Merrimack today in the HE quarterfinals.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 03:38:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 14, 2026, 03:30:39 PMRough weekend so far but at least BU's season is over.
Part of me is sad (friends, prospects on teams I like)... but overwhelmingly I am ecstatic I get to rub this in my friend's face.
Speaking of, they said UConn was 14th in the NPI, I think? How does that change after this one?
They were listed as 15th but really tied for 14th with UMass. I still have my window with the rankings from this morning to get a feel for how the NPI shakes out with all the games today.
Q and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
Quote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 05:41:18 PMQuote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Q just got two quick ones to go up 3-1.
Quote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 06:06:09 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 05:41:18 PMQuote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Q just got two quick ones to go up 3-1.
Ew.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:10:06 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 06:06:09 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 05:41:18 PMQuote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Q just got two quick ones to go up 3-1.
Ew.
That's okay. Clarkson just got two shorties on the same Q PP to tie it.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:10:06 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 06:06:09 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 05:41:18 PMQuote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Q just got two quick ones to go up 3-1.
Ew.
Now 2 shorties tied it. And the penalty for a take down protecting the goalie that set the Pp upwas the first called for scrums that wasn't matching.
Now up 4-3 after the pp.
Clarkson wants the Pecknold cup!
And there's still 1:01 on the power play. Clarkson has time to pull ahead.
Clarkson gets the go ahead goal 5x5.
Pecknold Cup to Clarkson 8)
The 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
Quote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
DELICIOUS.
Quote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
Astounding how that game played out with 2 shorties on the same penalty
Quote from: scoop85 on March 14, 2026, 06:42:03 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
Astounding how that game played out with 2 shorties on the same penalty
And then the GWG when the penalty expired. 3 goals in 2:01.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:41:22 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
DELICIOUS.
Everyone in Lake Placid & Saranac Lake are thrilled.
Quote from: RichH on March 14, 2026, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:41:22 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
DELICIOUS.
Everyone in Lake Placid & Saranac Lake are thrilled.
Oh?
Michigan beats Penn state, 5-2.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 07:17:41 PMQuote from: RichH on March 14, 2026, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:41:22 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
DELICIOUS.
Everyone in Lake Placid & Saranac Lake are thrilled.
Oh?
Postdam is the closest ECAC school to Placid, and Clarkson travels well. The Knights making the semis is good for business.
Quote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
To borrow from our game against them last year, "Once again a Cleary Cup does not lead to a Whitelaw Cup."
Quote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 07:17:41 PMQuote from: RichH on March 14, 2026, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:41:22 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
DELICIOUS.
Everyone in Lake Placid & Saranac Lake are thrilled.
Oh?
Postdam is the closest ECAC school to Placid, and Clarkson travels well. The Knights making the semis is good for business.
Same with SLU. The locals I know have adopted Clarkson as "their" local team to booster.
Quote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 07:24:38 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 07:17:41 PMQuote from: RichH on March 14, 2026, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:41:22 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
DELICIOUS.
Everyone in Lake Placid & Saranac Lake are thrilled.
Oh?
Postdam is the closest ECAC school to Placid, and Clarkson travels well. The Knights making the semis is good for business.
To a point. Potsdam is only 70 miles from LP. As I understand it, many people don't stay overnight. Especially in this case since they're going to be in the early game.
http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html
Quote from: Trotsky on March 14, 2026, 07:40:12 PMhttp://www.tbrw.info/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html
Still the funniest thing on this damn site.
Augustana loses but that doesn't matter, right? L to St. Thomas should put them behind us for good and the conference is sending one team anyway
Quote from: marty on March 14, 2026, 06:26:55 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:10:06 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 06:06:09 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 05:41:18 PMQuote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Q just got two quick ones to go up 3-1.
Ew.
Now 2 shorties tied it. And the penalty for a take down protecting the goalie that set the Pp upwas the first called for scrums that wasn't matching.
Now up 4-3 after the pp.
Clarkson wants the Pecknold cup!
So I'm assuming it was a 5 minute major?
Nice souvenir.
Quote from: ER on March 14, 2026, 08:11:04 PMQuote from: marty on March 14, 2026, 06:26:55 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:10:06 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 06:06:09 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 05:41:18 PMQuote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Q just got two quick ones to go up 3-1.
Ew.
Now 2 shorties tied it. And the penalty for a take down protecting the goalie that set the Pp upwas the first called for scrums that wasn't matching.
Now up 4-3 after the pp.
Clarkson wants the Pecknold cup!
So I'm assuming it was a 5 minute major?
Holding, 2 minutes.
11:59 penalty
12:20 shg, 2-3
12:58 shg, 3-3
14:21 gwg, 4-3
A very bad 142 seconds for Rand.
Quote from: Trotsky on March 14, 2026, 08:12:04 PMQuote from: ER on March 14, 2026, 08:11:04 PMQuote from: marty on March 14, 2026, 06:26:55 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:10:06 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 06:06:09 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 05:41:18 PMQuote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Q just got two quick ones to go up 3-1.
Ew.
Now 2 shorties tied it. And the penalty for a take down protecting the goalie that set the Pp upwas the first called for scrums that wasn't matching.
Now up 4-3 after the pp.
Clarkson wants the Pecknold cup!
So I'm assuming it was a 5 minute major?
Holding, 2 minutes.
11:59 penalty
12:20 shg, 2-3
12:58 shg, 3-3
14:21 gwg, 4-3
A very bad 142 seconds for Rand.
Oh following the thread, it aopeared Q got a PP goal. Guess not. Damn that's bad
Quote from: ER on March 14, 2026, 08:14:53 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 14, 2026, 08:12:04 PMQuote from: ER on March 14, 2026, 08:11:04 PMQuote from: marty on March 14, 2026, 06:26:55 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 06:10:06 PMQuote from: pjd8 on March 14, 2026, 06:06:09 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 05:41:18 PMQuote from: sah67 on March 14, 2026, 05:37:50 PMQ and Clarkson tied 1-1 in the second period in a game that's as stylistically different to our game 1 as possible: nasty scrums after every whistle, run-and-gun odd man rushes each way, goalies getting run over...
I gotta watch it when I get home on demand then. Fuckin love a scrummy game. So long as we're not in it.
Q just got two quick ones to go up 3-1.
Ew.
Now 2 shorties tied it. And the penalty for a take down protecting the goalie that set the Pp upwas the first called for scrums that wasn't matching.
Now up 4-3 after the pp.
Clarkson wants the Pecknold cup!
So I'm assuming it was a 5 minute major?
Holding, 2 minutes.
11:59 penalty
12:20 shg, 2-3
12:58 shg, 3-3
14:21 gwg, 4-3
A very bad 142 seconds for Rand.
Oh following the thread, it aopeared Q got a PP goal. Guess not. Damn that's bad ;D
FYPDefinitely worth cueing up after the game is over.
It looks like Princeton is headed to Lake Placid
Onion earns free tee time at Lake Placid. Hooray!
Need Ohio State losing to put us in a comfortable NCAA position. Autobids that could bring teams currently below us in the tournament are definite for the AHA and CCHHA, very likely for Hockey East (could be definite as Providence is losing in the 3rd), very possible in the ECAC and possible with Ohio State in the Big Ten. OSU and MSU tied 2-2 in the 3rd period.
Providence ties it up!
And going to OT.
OSU and MSU also going to OT.
Quote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
There should be a double-cup awarded when the loss is in the *quarterfinals*.
Quote from: Robb on March 14, 2026, 09:50:32 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
There should be a double-cup awarded when the loss is in the *quarterfinals*.
That would be a bra.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 14, 2026, 09:53:02 PMQuote from: Robb on March 14, 2026, 09:50:32 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
There should be a double-cup awarded when the loss is in the *quarterfinals*.
That would be a bra.
An ill-fitting bra. Which is all of them.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 14, 2026, 09:53:02 PMQuote from: Robb on March 14, 2026, 09:50:32 PMQuote from: imafrshmn on March 14, 2026, 06:40:35 PMThe 2026 Pecknold Cup has been claimed! Congratulations to the Clarkson Golden Knights!
There should be a double-cup awarded when the loss is in the *quarterfinals*.
That would be a bra.
An ill-fitting bra. Which is all of them.
I'll have to take your word for it. I've only been on the other side of the bra.
OSU wins in OT.
And Providence loses to Merrimack!
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 14, 2026, 10:08:28 PMOSU wins in OT.
And Providence loses to Merrimack!
God damn it! No help.
Added the round (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html) in which the Pecknold Cup was awarded.
Clarkson holds the ignominious honor of being the sole #1 to lose the First Round, when there were 5 games among the top 10, prior to byes.
4* of Rand's 9 Cups are from the QF on home ice. No other coach has more than one. The man is a living legend.
*However, in 2021 the ECAC Tournament was played in Hamden. As only 3 teams made the COVID tournament, Rand lost the first game his team competed in (the final) so he has lost on home ice 5 times.
So...
AHA: Autobid only.
CCHA: Whoever wins isn't a threat to us/autobid, essentially, only.
ECAC: 62.5% chance for autobid to take a spot.
HEA: Autobid steals a spot.
NCHC: Top 16.
B10: 50/50 on autobid taking a spot.
Lose tomorrow and we're in 12th. 3 autobid spots are guaranteed, so 13 is the cutoff. We would need either Michigan to win or the ECAC to go to Dartmouth, I think.
Making the NCAA's may now come down to either 1) beat Harvard tomorrow or if not 2) Michigan beating Ohio State or Dartmouth winning the ECAC's.
Listening to Q-Clk on demand and laughing my ass off at the announcers who are complaining that Rand was complaining that players were moping on the bench instead of being positive.
Quote from: Trotsky on March 14, 2026, 10:15:07 PMAdded the round (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html) in which the Pecknold Cup was awarded.
Clarkson holds the ignominious honor of being the sole #1 to lose the First Round, when there were 5 games among the top 10, prior to byes.
4* of Rand's 9 Cups are from the QF on home ice. No other coach has more than one. The man is a living legend.
*However, in 2021 the ECAC Tournament was played in Hamden. As only 3 teams made the COVID tournament, Rand lost the first game his team competed in (the final) so he has lost on home ice 5 times.
Also notable that Q has awarded the cup to 6 different teams in their 9 occasions, with only Cornell, Harvard, and, improbably, Brown claiming 2 each. Gotta spread the love.
Quote from: Robb on March 14, 2026, 10:44:22 PMQuote from: Trotsky on March 14, 2026, 10:15:07 PMAdded the round (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_History/ecac_Pecknold_Cup.html) in which the Pecknold Cup was awarded.
Clarkson holds the ignominious honor of being the sole #1 to lose the First Round, when there were 5 games among the top 10, prior to byes.
4* of Rand's 9 Cups are from the QF on home ice. No other coach has more than one. The man is a living legend.
*However, in 2021 the ECAC Tournament was played in Hamden. As only 3 teams made the COVID tournament, Rand lost the first game his team competed in (the final) so he has lost on home ice 5 times.
Also notable that Q has awarded the cup to 6 different teams in their 9 occasions, with only Cornell, Harvard, and, improbably, Brown claiming 2 each. Gotta spread the love.
Brown has won the Cup 4 times, which given their less than stellar tournament record is pretty damn impressive, albeit they do get a lot more chances.
"To beat the best you have to be the worst."
Not Jane quality writing, but hilarious quotes from Pecknold
https://quchronicle.com/92993/featured/late-game-stumble-costs-quinnipiac-a-trip-to-lake-placid-for-first-time-in-six-years-falls-to-clarkson-4-3/
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 10:18:37 PMSo...
AHA: Autobid only.
CCHA: Whoever wins isn't a threat to us/autobid, essentially, only.
ECAC: 62.5% chance for autobid to take a spot.
HEA: Autobid steals a spot.
NCHC: Top 16.
B10: 50/50 on autobid taking a spot.
Lose tomorrow and we're in 12th. 3 autobid spots are guaranteed, so 13 is the cutoff. We would need either Michigan to win or the ECAC to go to Dartmouth, I think.
And again, looking at it from the optimistic side...
If we win out, are we assured a two-seed? I can't use the NPI tool to check, but winning out would mean either we beat Dartmouth in the finals or Dartmouth lost to Clarkson in the semis. Wondering if that's enough to get us to at least 8th.
Piling on....
Q went 0 for 12, -2 on the powerplay vs Clarkson.
When they finally play an NCAA game on March 26 or 27, it will have been almost exactly 4 weeks since they won a hockey game (Feb 28 at Harvard). In the 6 weeks leading up to that NCAA game, they finished 2-4, with a -6 goal differential,
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 14, 2026, 11:22:00 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 10:18:37 PMSo...
AHA: Autobid only.
CCHA: Whoever wins isn't a threat to us/autobid, essentially, only.
ECAC: 62.5% chance for autobid to take a spot.
HEA: Autobid steals a spot.
NCHC: Top 16.
B10: 50/50 on autobid taking a spot.
Lose tomorrow and we're in 12th. 3 autobid spots are guaranteed, so 13 is the cutoff. We would need either Michigan to win or the ECAC to go to Dartmouth, I think.
And again, looking at it from the optimistic side...
If we win out, are we assured a two-seed? I can't use the NPI tool to check, but winning out would mean either we beat Dartmouth in the finals or Dartmouth lost to Clarkson in the semis. Wondering if that's enough to get us to at least 8th.
I think so, yeah. Dart drops to 11th if they lose to Clarkson. If we win out and they lose to us instead, I don't see how they can sit above us.
Quote from: Robb on March 14, 2026, 11:29:23 PMPiling on....
Q went 0 for 12, -2 on the powerplay vs Clarkson.
When they finally play an NCAA game on March 26 or 27, it will have been almost exactly 4 weeks since they won a hockey game (Feb 28 at Harvard). In the 6 weeks leading up to that NCAA game, they finished 2-4, with a -6 goal differential,
Simply lovely. 💜
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 10:32:42 PMListening to Q-Clk on demand and laughing my ass off at the announcers who are complaining that Rand was complaining that players were moping on the bench instead of being positive.
Is Marcellus deadass saying it's a good thing the Bobcats fight in practice?
Quote from: scoop85 on March 14, 2026, 11:14:12 PMNot Jane quality writing, but hilarious quotes from Pecknold
https://quchronicle.com/92993/featured/late-game-stumble-costs-quinnipiac-a-trip-to-lake-placid-for-first-time-in-six-years-falls-to-clarkson-4-3/
He is a whiner who throws his team under the bus.
So, Q had a 5-game streak of LP appearances from 2013-17 and another from 2021-2025. Their results from those 10 appearances? 1 title from the first, 0 from the second (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_Icon.html). The same number of titles as Princeton won over the same period. Princeton appeared
once.
Quote from: scoop85 on March 14, 2026, 11:14:12 PMNot Jane quality writing, but hilarious quotes from Pecknold
https://quchronicle.com/92993/featured/late-game-stumble-costs-quinnipiac-a-trip-to-lake-placid-for-first-time-in-six-years-falls-to-clarkson-4-3/
We had a really good run until the Cornell game and then we went off the rails a bitwaiter! waiter! more of this please!
Quote from: Trotsky on March 14, 2026, 11:50:02 PMQuote from: scoop85 on March 14, 2026, 11:14:12 PMNot Jane quality writing, but hilarious quotes from Pecknold
https://quchronicle.com/92993/featured/late-game-stumble-costs-quinnipiac-a-trip-to-lake-placid-for-first-time-in-six-years-falls-to-clarkson-4-3/
He is a whiner who throws his team under the bus.
So, Q had a 5-game streak of LP appearances from 2013-17 and another from 2021-2025. Their results from those 10 appearances? 1 title from the first, 0 from the second (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_Icon.html). The same number of titles as Princeton won over the same period. Princeton appeared once.
Threw his goalie under the bus for one.
Quote from: Trotsky on March 14, 2026, 11:50:02 PMThe same number of titles as Princeton won over the same period. Princeton appeared once.
As long as QU doesn't win next year, Princeton will pull ahead, as the next installment of the decennial cycle is nigh.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 11:31:48 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 14, 2026, 11:22:00 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 10:18:37 PMSo...
AHA: Autobid only.
CCHA: Whoever wins isn't a threat to us/autobid, essentially, only.
ECAC: 62.5% chance for autobid to take a spot.
HEA: Autobid steals a spot.
NCHC: Top 16.
B10: 50/50 on autobid taking a spot.
Lose tomorrow and we're in 12th. 3 autobid spots are guaranteed, so 13 is the cutoff. We would need either Michigan to win or the ECAC to go to Dartmouth, I think.
And again, looking at it from the optimistic side...
If we win out, are we assured a two-seed? I can't use the NPI tool to check, but winning out would mean either we beat Dartmouth in the finals or Dartmouth lost to Clarkson in the semis. Wondering if that's enough to get us to at least 8th.
I think so, yeah. Dart drops to 11th if they lose to Clarkson. If we win out and they lose to us instead, I don't see how they can sit above us.
As per the matrix, (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/probabilityMatrix.php) we can end up anywhere between 6 and 12. Dart can end between 6 and 11, Q between 8 and 11. 11 and up is safe because of NCHC going to a top 16 team.
As per the matrix we have a 93% chance to get in, it looks like. It's got us at a 34% chance to end up in 12th, presumably part of which is a loss tomorrow/today.
Notably - there's a hard drop after 12. Seems like no matter what, there's too much of a gap between 12 and 13 to cover. Which is very good for us, as we only need one more team within the top 16 to win their conference to be sure we're going to the NCAAs.
Also, OSU at a 33% chance to get in - which is presumably the probability they win vs Michigan.
The matrix is still running, to be fair. But. Good news for us, but doesn't mean we can let off the gas.
Oh, and winning Placid looks like it guarantees us a 2 seed?
It's a shame Qpac pulled out that one national championship. Otherwise their postseason performance under Dbag Rand would be a complete disaster.
Quote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 11:48:32 PMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 10:32:42 PMListening to Q-Clk on demand and laughing my ass off at the announcers who are complaining that Rand was complaining that players were moping on the bench instead of being positive.
Watching that game today is going to be my guilty pleasure....
Rand from CHN:
It's ridiculous, it really is. I don't wanna use the term embarrassing, ridiculous is the better word," QU coach Rand Pecknold said to the Quinnipiac Chronicle.
"We basically had the game won," Pecknold said. "We are a really good defensive hockey team, or have been in the past. We just made some immature decisions, lacked details and lacked buy-in."
As for what to do going forward:
"I have no clue," Pecknold said to The Chronicle. "I'll have a clue eventually. Right now it's just trying to process the craziest loss, one of the worst losses we've ever had. We'll deal with that later. I assumed we were playing tomorrow."
Quote from: Snowball on March 15, 2026, 08:32:59 AM"I have no clue," Pecknold said to The Chronicle. "I'll have a clue eventually."
That quote should be engraved on the Pecknold Cup.
Quote from: Snowball on March 15, 2026, 08:32:31 AMQuote from: stereax on March 14, 2026, 10:32:42 PMListening to Q-Clk on demand and laughing my ass off at the announcers who are complaining that Rand was complaining that players were moping on the bench instead of being positive.
Watching that game today is going to be my guilty pleasure....
You can just start it at the beginning of the third. Absolute cinema.
Quote from: stereax on March 15, 2026, 10:14:33 AMQuote from: Snowball on March 15, 2026, 08:32:31 AMWatching that game today is going to be my guilty pleasure....
You can just start it at the beginning of the third. Absolute cinema.
start at 2:10 and you avoid anything a Q fan would enjoy
Quote from: Give My Regards on March 15, 2026, 10:11:14 AMQuote from: Snowball on March 15, 2026, 08:32:59 AM"I have no clue," Pecknold said to The Chronicle. "I'll have a clue eventually."
That quote should be engraved on the Pecknold Cup.
Exactly
really enjoying the variety in the Clarkson shorties.
Quote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:46:10 AMQuote from: stereax on March 15, 2026, 10:14:33 AMQuote from: Snowball on March 15, 2026, 08:32:31 AMWatching that game today is going to be my guilty pleasure....
You can just start it at the beginning of the third. Absolute cinema.
start at 2:10 and you avoid anything a Q fan would enjoy
Mmm but you get to listen to the Q gloating get smacked in the face in real time.
Quote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:48:14 AMreally enjoying the variety in the Clarkson shorties.
oh so ALL of us are degenerates who want to see this 😂
Quote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:48:14 AMreally enjoying the variety in the Clarkson shorties.
My favorite was the Quinnipiac player with the unfortunate hairline (Marcellus, I think) leaving the puck sitting at the blue line and waltzing in from the point like he still had it on his stick.
Quote from: sah67 on March 15, 2026, 11:18:01 AMQuote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:48:14 AMreally enjoying the variety in the Clarkson shorties.
My favorite was the Quinnipiac player with the unfortunate hairline (Marcellus, I think) leaving the puck sitting at the blue line and waltzing in from the point like he still had it on his stick.
At the Q game at Lynah, I pointed out Marcellus's follicle deprivation to some of the others in C and they (probably in their 40s) were like "that makes me feel better about myself" 😭
But that was just. Mwah. Delightful.
Second year in a row that shorties contribute to a Q loss, no?
Pecknold blames the home-ice loss to Cornell for starting his team on its late-season slide:
"Congrats to Clarkson, they played great both nights," Pecknold said. "They battled, their goalie played well, they found a way to win on the road so I give them credit. Our buy-in has been sporadic, we had a really good run until the Cornell game and then we went off the rails a bit, the buy-in has not been good."
More from Pecknold after Saturday's loss:
"It's ridiculous, it really is. I don't wanna use the term embarrassing, ridiculous is the better word."
More from Pecknold after Friday's loss:
"It was bad, we stunk," head coach Rand Pecknold said.
"I think some guys didn't wanna play hockey tonight, they thought it was gonna be easy and it wasn't," Pecknold said. "It just perplexes me, that we have this really good team, high character kids, and that in a home playoff game, we can be that bad."
Pecknold also said Silverstein played "the best game he had all year" on Friday night, and then blamed him for Clarkson's tying goal on Saturday.
Kudos to the Quinnipiac Chronicle for covering Q's weekend debacle:
https://quchronicle.com/92993/featured/late-game-stumble-costs-quinnipiac-a-trip-to-lake-placid-for-first-time-in-six-years-falls-to-clarkson-4-3/
https://quchronicle.com/92981/featured/bobcats-outshot-shut-out-by-clarkson-3-0-in-opening-game-of-ecac-quarterfinals/
Quote from: dbilmes on March 15, 2026, 01:00:00 PMKudos to the Quinnipiac Chronicle for covering Q's weekend.
I wish they had had a camera in Q's locker room for the post game Pecknold.
Quote from: stereax on March 15, 2026, 10:49:22 AMQuote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:48:14 AMreally enjoying the variety in the Clarkson shorties.
oh so ALL of us are degenerates who want to see this 😂
dss28 and Isaac are napping before the Hahvahd rubber match, so I thought I'd watch the third period of this game over some pizza. Holy sh!t, that was downright beautiful. F*cking
tragicomic. Giacomo Puccini is rolling over in his grave wishing he'd written that. Well, wishing he'd written all of it except for Rand's unimaginative post-game
aria di strepito, anyway.
Quote from: Beeeej on March 15, 2026, 03:22:20 PMQuote from: stereax on March 15, 2026, 10:49:22 AMQuote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:48:14 AMreally enjoying the variety in the Clarkson shorties.
oh so ALL of us are degenerates who want to see this 😂
dss28 and Isaac are napping before the Hahvahd rubber match, so I thought I'd watch the third period of this game over some pizza. Holy sh!t, that was downright beautiful. F*cking tragicomic. Giacomo Puccini is rolling over in his grave wishing he'd written that. Well, wishing he'd written all of it except for Rand's unimaginative post-game aria di strepito, anyway.
HAHAHA. Right??? I put it on last night when I got home to like, postgame (is that a thing?) and passed out loving life.
Hutson (Cole) signed with the Caps. (https://x.com/i/status/2033268789765173708)
One less problem.
Quote from: stereax on March 15, 2026, 03:41:18 PMQuote from: Beeeej on March 15, 2026, 03:22:20 PMQuote from: stereax on March 15, 2026, 10:49:22 AMQuote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:48:14 AMreally enjoying the variety in the Clarkson shorties.
oh so ALL of us are degenerates who want to see this 😂
dss28 and Isaac are napping before the Hahvahd rubber match, so I thought I'd watch the third period of this game over some pizza. Holy sh!t, that was downright beautiful. F*cking tragicomic. Giacomo Puccini is rolling over in his grave wishing he'd written that. Well, wishing he'd written all of it except for Rand's unimaginative post-game aria di strepito, anyway.
HAHAHA. Right??? I put it on last night when I got home to like, postgame (is that a thing?) and passed out loving life.
ESPN didn't get them memo. Clarkson at Q is offered along with our game.
They could charge us to watch the replay.
the YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
Quote from: upprdeck on March 15, 2026, 06:43:10 PMthe YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
I can't seem to find it on the website but that would make sense
Quote from: upprdeck on March 15, 2026, 06:43:10 PMthe YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
Playing with it a bit:
If we win out, we finish 7th.
If we win Friday but lose Saturday, we finish 9th.
If we lose Friday, we finish 11th.
I couldn't find any variant that had us in any other position.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:10:12 PMQuote from: upprdeck on March 15, 2026, 06:43:10 PMthe YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
Playing with it a bit:
If we win out, we finish 7th.
If we win Friday but lose Saturday, we finish 9th.
If we lose Friday, we finish 11th.
I couldn't find any variant that had us in any other position.
If we're voting, put me down for a vote to win out.
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 15, 2026, 07:16:26 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:10:12 PMQuote from: upprdeck on March 15, 2026, 06:43:10 PMthe YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
Playing with it a bit:
If we win out, we finish 7th.
If we win Friday but lose Saturday, we finish 9th.
If we lose Friday, we finish 11th.
I couldn't find any variant that had us in any other position.
If we're voting, put me down for a vote to win out.
Seconded!
Quote from: andyw2100 on March 15, 2026, 07:16:26 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:10:12 PMQuote from: upprdeck on March 15, 2026, 06:43:10 PMthe YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
Playing with it a bit:
If we win out, we finish 7th.
If we win Friday but lose Saturday, we finish 9th.
If we lose Friday, we finish 11th.
I couldn't find any variant that had us in any other position.
If we're voting, put me down for a vote to win out.
I agree, but there is a downside. If we finish 7th, that means we'd be bracketed with the 2-seed. That's North Dakota, which means we'd be playing in Sioux Falls.
If we finish 9th, we're in Michigan's regional. That's going to be in the east.
If we finish 11th, where we end up depends on Denver. We'll be in MSU's regional, but the location of that regional can vary. If Denver wins NCHC, they finish 5th. They'll play in Western MIchigan's regional, which would be in Loveland, so MSU's regional will be in the east. If Denver loses, they finish 6th, which puts them in MSU's (and our) regional. So that regional would be in Loveland.
And FTR, I couldn't find a variant where an ECAC school finishes 8th and we finish 9th. So there's no scenario where we finish 9th but have to be swapped out for another 3rd-band school.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:34:49 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 15, 2026, 07:16:26 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:10:12 PMQuote from: upprdeck on March 15, 2026, 06:43:10 PMthe YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
Playing with it a bit:
If we win out, we finish 7th.
If we win Friday but lose Saturday, we finish 9th.
If we lose Friday, we finish 11th.
I couldn't find any variant that had us in any other position.
If we're voting, put me down for a vote to win out.
I agree, but there is a downside. If we finish 7th, that means we'd be bracketed with the 2-seed. That's North Dakota, which means we'd be playing in Sioux Falls.
If we finish 9th, we're in Michigan's regional. That's going to be in the east.
If we finish 11th, where we end up depends on Denver. We'll be in MSU's regional, but the location of that regional can vary. If Denver wins NCHC, they finish 5th. They'll play in Western's regional, which would be in Loveland, so MSU's regional will be in the east. If Denver loses, they finish 6th, which puts them in MSU's (and our) regional. So that regional would be in Loveland.
And FTR, I couldn't find a variant where an ECAC school finishes 8th and we finish 9th. So there's no scenario where we finish 9th but have to be swapped out for another 3rd-band school.
Doesn't the committee often not strictly follow seeding and instead aims to increase attendance?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:34:49 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 15, 2026, 07:16:26 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:10:12 PMQuote from: upprdeck on March 15, 2026, 06:43:10 PMthe YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
Playing with it a bit:
If we win out, we finish 7th.
If we win Friday but lose Saturday, we finish 9th.
If we lose Friday, we finish 11th.
I couldn't find any variant that had us in any other position.
If we're voting, put me down for a vote to win out.
I agree, but there is a downside. If we finish 7th, that means we'd be bracketed with the 2-seed. That's North Dakota, which means we'd be playing in Sioux Falls.
If we finish 9th, we're in Michigan's regional. That's going to be in the east.
If we finish 11th, where we end up depends on Denver. We'll be in MSU's regional, but the location of that regional can vary. If Denver wins NCHC, they finish 5th. They'll play in Western MIchigan's regional, which would be in Loveland, so MSU's regional will be in the east. If Denver loses, they finish 6th, which puts them in MSU's (and our) regional. So that regional would be in Loveland.
And FTR, I couldn't find a variant where an ECAC school finishes 8th and we finish 9th. So there's no scenario where we finish 9th but have to be swapped out for another 3rd-band school.
My "vote" for winning out is 5% about wanting a two-seed in the tournament and 95% about wanting a third straight Whitelaw trophy.
Quote from: BearLover on March 15, 2026, 07:37:04 PMDoesn't the committee often not strictly follow seeding and instead aims to increase attendance?
That comes and goes like the weather. If it's a Hockey East school, they'll move them to help with attendance. But otherwise generally not (No, I'm not jaded).
Additionally, Loveland and Sioux Falls won't have any attendance issues. So there's no incentive to move western schools out of an eastern bracket.
Just confirming we are locked now? I can find results that yield a very narrow difference between us and Wisconsin (55.16 vs 5.09). Not sure if there's a way to get it even closer than that or flip the advantage entirely.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:47:41 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 15, 2026, 07:37:04 PMDoesn't the committee often not strictly follow seeding and instead aims to increase attendance?
That comes and goes like the weather. If it's a Hockey East school, they'll move them to help with attendance. But otherwise generally not (No, I'm not jaded).
Additionally, Loveland and Sioux won't have any attendance issues. So there's no incentive to move western schools out of an eastern bracket.
Right, but what about moving us to Albany or rearranging the bracket in some other way to boost attendance out East?
Quote from: BearLover on March 15, 2026, 07:49:02 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:47:41 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 15, 2026, 07:37:04 PMDoesn't the committee often not strictly follow seeding and instead aims to increase attendance?
That comes and goes like the weather. If it's a Hockey East school, they'll move them to help with attendance. But otherwise generally not (No, I'm not jaded).
Additionally, Loveland and Sioux won't have any attendance issues. So there's no incentive to move western schools out of an eastern bracket.
Right, but what about moving us to Albany or rearranging the bracket in some other way to boost attendance?
Certainly possible, but the committee doesn't usually do that if it will help the ECAC in any way.
Told ya. I'm jaded.
Quote from: BearLover on March 15, 2026, 07:48:14 PMJust confirming we are locked now? I can find results that yield a very narrow difference between us and Wisconsin (55.16 vs 5.09). Not sure if there's a way to get it even closer than that or flip the advantage entirely.
As per CHN's matrix, the lowest we can fall is 11. Still running but I think we're locked into the NCAA berth.
Quote from: stereax on March 15, 2026, 07:55:02 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 15, 2026, 07:48:14 PMJust confirming we are locked now? I can find results that yield a very narrow difference between us and Wisconsin (55.16 vs 5.09). Not sure if there's a way to get it even closer than that or flip the advantage entirely.
As per CHN's matrix, the lowest we can fall is 11. Still running but I think we're locked into the NCAA berth.
That was my conclusion.
I just found scenarios where we finish 6th. If we win out and Denver beats UMD, Denver finishes 5th and we finish 6th.
That means we're in MSUs regional and stay east. Best of all worlds.
We'd play either Penn State or Wisconsin.
Quote from: BearLover on March 15, 2026, 07:37:04 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:34:49 PMQuote from: andyw2100 on March 15, 2026, 07:16:26 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 15, 2026, 07:10:12 PMQuote from: upprdeck on March 15, 2026, 06:43:10 PMthe YARTC says we are in even with a loss at 11.
even having all the upset teams win
If its correct now.
Playing with it a bit:
If we win out, we finish 7th.
If we win Friday but lose Saturday, we finish 9th.
If we lose Friday, we finish 11th.
I couldn't find any variant that had us in any other position.
If we're voting, put me down for a vote to win out.
I agree, but there is a downside. If we finish 7th, that means we'd be bracketed with the 2-seed. That's North Dakota, which means we'd be playing in Sioux Falls.
If we finish 9th, we're in Michigan's regional. That's going to be in the east.
If we finish 11th, where we end up depends on Denver. We'll be in MSU's regional, but the location of that regional can vary. If Denver wins NCHC, they finish 5th. They'll play in Western's regional, which would be in Loveland, so MSU's regional will be in the east. If Denver loses, they finish 6th, which puts them in MSU's (and our) regional. So that regional would be in Loveland.
And FTR, I couldn't find a variant where an ECAC school finishes 8th and we finish 9th. So there's no scenario where we finish 9th but have to be swapped out for another 3rd-band school.
Doesn't the committee often not strictly follow seeding and instead aims to increase attendance?
Yeah but if we're in Sioux Falls I'm going to buy SO MANY tickets.
Actually 2. If I can even get them. Damn thing's pretty much sold out already. Stupid NoDak.
So... Q is sitting at 11. can they miss the tournament?
Quote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:16:49 PMSo... Q is sitting at 11. can they miss the tournament?
Nope, they're effectively locked in their position as they play no more games. They can have minor changes in NPI based on other games, but nothing else. In either case, I don't think it's enough to fall under Wisco.
Quote from: stereax on March 15, 2026, 10:18:04 PMQuote from: ugarte on March 15, 2026, 10:16:49 PMSo... Q is sitting at 11. can they miss the tournament?
Nope, they're effectively locked in their position as they play no more games. They can have minor changes in NPI based on other games, but nothing else. In either case, I don't think it's enough to fall under Wisco.
It isn't, per the probability table on CHN. Wisconsin is locked in at 12.
Obviously want to win the conference but damn ECAC could be a four-bid league.
Quote from: ugarte on March 16, 2026, 12:08:10 AMObviously want to win the conference but damn ECAC could be a four-bid league.
It could be. But since I started voting for outcomes in another thread yesterday, I'll cast my vote here for keeping it at three.
Bob Motzko fired by Minny
Quote from: scoop85 on March 18, 2026, 07:28:31 PMBob Motzko fired by Minny
They also fired their longtime women's coach Brad Frost
Yale is considering a few head coach candidates apparently.
https://x.com/Yale_HockeyBlog/status/2034344931922231640
Two of those guys were on the 2013 team and one is the current interim head coach. Lots of younger candidates
Not sure where else to put this but Ken Schott, longtime capital district hockey reporter is among the latest media industry victims.
"My time with The Daily Gazette came to an end today. It was a great ride. To everyone who followed me for my #UnionHockey and #ECACHockey coverage for 30 seasons, thank you. For those who listened to "The Parting Schotts Podcast," thank you."
https://bsky.app/profile/slapschotts.bsky.social/post/3mhglp545j22s
goddamn right before the albany regional? a shame what's happened to print.
ESPN+ did me the courtesy of bouncing me to the Merrimack-UMass game after the Dartmouth win. 2:05 to go and Merrimack is up 1-0
And Merrimack got an ENG with 1:39. UMass may see there season end in less than two minutes.
Merrimack wins! They are the first 8 seed ever to make the HE final.
Quote from: pjd8 on March 20, 2026, 06:38:32 PMMerrimack wins! They are the first 8 seed ever to make the HE final.
Hell yeah, good on them!
Minnesota State wins the CCHA Tourney and moves to 14 in NPI. UConn beats BC to go to the HE final and is 13th in NPI, so they have a chance at a bid even if they lose, according to today's commentators.
But they can also miss out on a bid given that Princeton, Ohio State, and Merrimack all still have the opportunity to play spoiler tomorrow.
I've been playing with YATC, and have reached the following conclusion: There's a 75% chance we play Denver in Loveland and a 25% chance we play Providence in Worcester.
There are only two games that will influence where we play next week. Those are the ECAC final and the NCHC final. And the latter is key because Denver is the host in Loveland.
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We are locked in at #11. So if bracket integrity is key (and recently it has been), we will play the #6 team, unless #6 is Dartmouth.
1. Dartmouth wins and Denver wins:
Denver will finish 5th and Dartmouth 6th. Dartmouth goes to MSU regional likely in Worcester, and Denver gets Western Michigan in Loveland.
Since we can't play Dartmouth in the first round, they'll swap #11 and #12 and we'll play Denver in Loveland.
2. Dartmouth wins and Denver loses:
Denver finishes 6th and Dartmouth finishes 7th (Duluth finishes 5th). Western gets the Worcester regional with Duluth and MSU gets Loveland. We play #6 Denver in Loveland. Dartmouth goes to Sioux Falls with NoDak.
3. Princeton wins and Denver wins:
Denver will finish 5th and Dartmouth 8th. Providence finishes 6th. As before Denver gets Western in Loveland. We get Providence in Worcester with MSU. Dartmouth plays in Albany.
4. Princeton wins and Denver loses:
Denver finishes 6th and Dartmouth finishes 8th (Duluth finishes 5th). As before, Western gets the Worcester regional with Duluth and MSU gets Loveland. We play #6 Denver in Loveland. Dartmouth plays in Albany.
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FTR, Quinny always finishes 9th. So if Dartmouth finishes 8th, Quinny will get swapped with the #10 team, Penn State. Which means if Dartmouth loses, Quinny goes to Sioux Falls.
Don't shoot the messenger.
So Loveland, Colorado, altitude almost 5000 feet? Versus about 800 feet for Lynah rink? And we would play Denver whose players would be acclimatized to the altitude?
Hope the team can get there early and hydrate like crazy beforehand.
Quote from: Snowball on March 21, 2026, 10:45:18 PMSo Loveland, Colorado, altitude almost 5000 feet? Versus about 800 feet for Lynah rink? And we would play Denver whose players would be acclimatized to the altitude?
Hope the team can get there early and hydrate like crazy beforehand.
If Denver wins, Den 5, Dart 6, Prov 7, UMD 8. We're 11 so we get shuffled out of Dartmouth automatically, which means we get onto "mercy of the committee" rules. Then the committee can fuck around with us.
Dart needs to get either PSU or Wisconsin. They'll probably try to give Dart Wisconsin because 6-9 isn't super fair and the easiest shuffle is simply giving us Denver. That would give UMD-PSU and Prov-Quin.
If UMD wins, UMD 5, Den 6, Dart 7, Prov 8. So Dart-Quin needs to be shuffled, therefore Dart-PSU, Prov-Quin, and then UMD-Wisco, Den-us.
So... unless the committee wants to try to seed us out East (which I suspect they don't give a fuck about) we're playing Denver in Denver.
That's gonna suck!
If Denver wins, we get WMU as the 1 seed. If Denver loses, the 1 seed is Mich State.
But we'll see what happens.
Quote from: stereax on March 21, 2026, 10:57:39 PMQuote from: Snowball on March 21, 2026, 10:45:18 PMSo Loveland, Colorado, altitude almost 5000 feet? Versus about 800 feet for Lynah rink? And we would play Denver whose players would be acclimatized to the altitude?
Hope the team can get there early and hydrate like crazy beforehand.
If Denver wins, Den 5, Dart 6, Prov 7, UMD 8. We're 11 so we get shuffled out of Dartmouth automatically, which means we get onto "mercy of the committee" rules. Then the committee can fuck around with us.
Dart needs to get either PSU or Wisconsin. They'll probably try to give Dart Wisconsin because 6-9 isn't super fair and the easiest shuffle is simply giving us Denver. That would give UMD-PSU and Prov-Quin.
If UMD wins, UMD 5, Den 6, Dart 7, Prov 8. So Dart-Quin needs to be shuffled, therefore Dart-PSU, Prov-Quin, and then UMD-Wisco, Den-us.
So... unless the committee wants to try to seed us out East (which I suspect they don't give a fuck about) we're playing Denver in Denver.
That's gonna suck!
If Denver wins, we get WMU as the 1 seed. If Denver loses, the 1 seed is Mich State.
But we'll see what happens.
Yep, that's what I see, although the committee could in theory swap us and Penn State to prevent two regionals with two Big Ten teams each, but history says we'll get screwed over.
And for those thinking about it, the air fares between New York and Denver doubled in the past week. So if we end up in Loveland, I'm probably gonna give it a pass.
If Duluth wins Q at 9 draws Providence.
I'm thinking Michigan vs Bentley in Albany, with Providence and Q also as Michigan should pair with #8 Providence.
It could be Western Michigan in Colorado. WM should as a 4 pair with Duluth 5 and Wisconsin 12. BUT Denver as a 6 n must be in Colorado and could simply replace Duluth.
Then in Worcester MSU vs UConn and instead of 6 Denver vs 11 Cornell it could be Duluth vs Cornell.
So I want Duluth to win the OT NCHC game.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 21, 2026, 11:28:25 PMQuote from: stereax on March 21, 2026, 10:57:39 PMQuote from: Snowball on March 21, 2026, 10:45:18 PMSo Loveland, Colorado, altitude almost 5000 feet? Versus about 800 feet for Lynah rink? And we would play Denver whose players would be acclimatized to the altitude?
Hope the team can get there early and hydrate like crazy beforehand.
If Denver wins, Den 5, Dart 6, Prov 7, UMD 8. We're 11 so we get shuffled out of Dartmouth automatically, which means we get onto "mercy of the committee" rules. Then the committee can fuck around with us.
Dart needs to get either PSU or Wisconsin. They'll probably try to give Dart Wisconsin because 6-9 isn't super fair and the easiest shuffle is simply giving us Denver. That would give UMD-PSU and Prov-Quin.
If UMD wins, UMD 5, Den 6, Dart 7, Prov 8. So Dart-Quin needs to be shuffled, therefore Dart-PSU, Prov-Quin, and then UMD-Wisco, Den-us.
So... unless the committee wants to try to seed us out East (which I suspect they don't give a fuck about) we're playing Denver in Denver.
That's gonna suck!
If Denver wins, we get WMU as the 1 seed. If Denver loses, the 1 seed is Mich State.
But we'll see what happens.
Yep, that's what I see, although the committee could in theory swap us and Penn State to prevent two regionals with two Big Ten teams each, but history says we'll get screwed over.
And for those thinking about it, the air fares between New York and Denver doubled in the past week. So if we end up in Loveland, I'm probably gonna give it a pass.
Looks like Denver pulls it off in 2OT! We
might avoid Loveland yet.
Since Denver won...
Michigan vs Bentley in Albany with 8 Duluth vs 9 PSU
Sioux Falls
N.Dak vs Merrimack and Providence vs Q is the by the numbers draw.
Worcester
MSU vs UConn should be with Dartmouth at 6 vs 11 Cornell.
Colorado
WestMich vs Minnesota St and 5 Denver vs 12 Wisconsin.
Cornell has to take either 9 PSU's slot or 12 Wisconsin's place. So for attendance it might be we switch out with PSU.
I think Providence vs Q will be moved to Worcester. So hopefully Dartmouth goes to Sioux Falls with PSU.
But realistically Dartmouth vs Wisconsin in Sioux Falls with PSU staying in Albany and Cornell sent to Colorado is very possible.
Quote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 12:07:57 AMSince Denver won...
Michigan vs Bentley in Albany with 8 Duluth vs 9 PSU
Sioux Falls
N.Dak vs Merrimack and Providence vs Q is the by the numbers draw.
Worcester
MSU vs UConn should be vs Dartmouth at 6 vs 11 Cornell.
Colorado
WestMich vs Minnesota St and 5 Denver vs 12 Wisconsin.
Cornell has to take either 9 PSU's slot or 12 Wisconsin's place. So for attendance it might be we switch out with PSU.
I think Providence vs Q will be moved to Worcester. So hopefully Dartmouth goes to Sioux Falls with PSU.
But realistically Dartmouth vs Wisconsin in Sioux Falls with PSU staying in Albany and Cornell sent to Colorado is very possible.
I think the main issue is just that attendance wise you want Cornell in Albany but that fucks with the bracket integrity too much for the committee to okay it.
I don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Quote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Denver in Denver is a home game for them with altitude and travel issues. That sucks.
Albany means we go through either Providence or UMD and Michigan.
I'm seeing some interesting predictions online. Several of them do predict having us in Albany against Providence or Duluth.
Personally, my predicted bracket is the same as Adam's at CHN, with us in Loveland against Denver.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 22, 2026, 08:52:41 AMI'm seeing some interesting predictions online. Several of them do predict having us in Albany against Providence or Duluth.
Personally, my predicted bracket is the same as Adam's at CHN, with us in Loveland against Denver.
Who is predicting Providence in Albany? I can see moving Providence east but they are naturally bracketed with Q. If one moves Providence for attendance then why not to Worcester with Q?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 22, 2026, 08:52:41 AMI'm seeing some interesting predictions online. Several of them do predict having us in Albany against Providence or Duluth.
Personally, my predicted bracket is the same as Adam's at CHN, with us in Loveland against Denver.
Us in Loveland against Denver is the easy swap and the logically most sensical if you want to do "pure bracket" bullshit. If you just take the bands and start moving shit around for attendance, you want Cornell in Albany or at least the east. That could give you:
Denver-Wisco in Loveland
Dart-PSU in Sioux Falls
UMD-Cornell in Albany
Prov-Q in Worcester
Alternatively, you rig it so you get PSU in Albany, put Cornell in Worcester, and then throw Prov-Q in SF. Or keep Prov-Q in Worcester and Cornell goes to SF with UMD. But if they do attendance rigging, they're almost certainly putting Cornell east and ideally want them in Albany.
Quote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Hey guys, left field question that I may have missed being discussed elsewhere, but... I love lake placid but when ecacs are the same weekend as a can-am tournament and the final stop in the Nordic world cup, it makes it completely impossible to find somewhere to stay. It was very empty in the arena, but who the hell can pay 900/night for a hotel room? I know several people who planned to go then looked at prices and realized they couldn't.
Quote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
Quote from: Jackal307 on March 22, 2026, 10:41:49 AMHey guys, left field question that I may have missed being discussed elsewhere, but... I love lake placid but when ecacs are the same weekend as a can-am tournament and the final stop in the Nordic world cup, it makes it completely impossible to find somewhere to stay. It was very empty in the arena, but who the hell can pay 900/night for a hotel room? I know several people who planned to go then looked at prices and realized they couldn't.
I agree. Move it back to Albany, even though the arena is a dump.
Quote from: scoop85 on March 22, 2026, 11:05:55 AMQuote from: Jackal307 on March 22, 2026, 10:41:49 AMHey guys, left field question that I may have missed being discussed elsewhere, but... I love lake placid but when ecacs are the same weekend as a can-am tournament and the final stop in the Nordic world cup, it makes it completely impossible to find somewhere to stay. It was very empty in the arena, but who the hell can pay 900/night for a hotel room? I know several people who planned to go then looked at prices and realized they couldn't.
I agree. Move it back to Albany, even though the arena is a dump.
The Arena is fine - the arena area is dumpy.
Quote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 11:22:16 AMQuote from: scoop85 on March 22, 2026, 11:05:55 AMQuote from: Jackal307 on March 22, 2026, 10:41:49 AMHey guys, left field question that I may have missed being discussed elsewhere, but... I love lake placid but when ecacs are the same weekend as a can-am tournament and the final stop in the Nordic world cup, it makes it completely impossible to find somewhere to stay. It was very empty in the arena, but who the hell can pay 900/night for a hotel room? I know several people who planned to go then looked at prices and realized they couldn't.
I agree. Move it back to Albany, even though the arena is a dump.
The Arena is fine - the arena area is dumpy.
Yeah, I as a bit harsh on the arena. It's perfectly adequate. Just lacks the charm of Herb Brooks arena. But I'll take the loss of charm in exchange for the convenience of Albany. My friend and I paid a significant amount to stay in a very nice VRBO in Keene, which was a 20 minute drive from the arena. And, as was the case this past weekend, there's a much greater chance of snowy weather in LP than in Albany, which made the drive up Friday treacherous. Had the game been in Albany we would've just had some rain to contend with.
But it seems the league is fine with LP, so we're probably stuck with it for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
Quote from: Jackal307 on March 22, 2026, 10:41:49 AMHey guys, left field question that I may have missed being discussed elsewhere, but... I love lake placid but when ecacs are the same weekend as a can-am tournament and the final stop in the Nordic world cup, it makes it completely impossible to find somewhere to stay. It was very empty in the arena, but who the hell can pay 900/night for a hotel room? I know several people who planned to go then looked at prices and realized they couldn't.
A lot of people I know pre-booked their hotel as far back as last year. And then it's like, well we'll go no matter who's in it. That's why there were some Union, Colgate, SLU fans around. I heard stories of people paying $1200 a night at LP once Cornell got in...
Quote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Quote from: scoop85 on March 22, 2026, 11:05:55 AMQuote from: Jackal307 on March 22, 2026, 10:41:49 AMHey guys, left field question that I may have missed being discussed elsewhere, but... I love lake placid but when ecacs are the same weekend as a can-am tournament and the final stop in the Nordic world cup, it makes it completely impossible to find somewhere to stay. It was very empty in the arena, but who the hell can pay 900/night for a hotel room? I know several people who planned to go then looked at prices and realized they couldn't.
I agree. Move it back to Albany, even though the arena is a dump.
I personally like the tournament being in Lake Placid, even though rooms are more expensive than they would be in Albany, and Lake Placid is probably harder to get to for almost everyone.
Rooms, with some planning, are not ridiculous. I have reservations for 2027 now. They can be canceled with a full refund up to 72 hours before. Two nights for about $350, all in, and an easy walk to the arena. Is it a five star hotel? No. But it's fine for our purposes.
I can't speak to what the room situation would have been like if we had waited until Cornell had won the quarterfinals, because we had made this year's reservation Sunday morning when we left last year. I agree it sounds bad. So consider this a public service announcement, and look for a reasonably priced, fully cancellable room for next year now if there is any chance you would want to go.
Quote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
No, no they could not beat any NHL teams.
I booked my room in January, as soon as the Rodeway made rooms available. It was horrendously overpriced, even compared to two years ago, but convenient.
But I agree, if they're going to triple-schedule events against us, then move the tournament back to Albany.
Quote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
Why is that depressing? Do you seriously think if we win it would be because of one player?
Quote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 01:07:58 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
The problem, I think, is that we've heard this all year and I think we know it. Repeating it doesn't add anything new.
Second, if you live long enough you'll see and understand that there are multiple reasons why something might happen and on an individual basis you can't necessarily know why. Hell, after all these years I'm still not 100% sure why my time at MIT caused me to switch from engineering to medicine. I'm 100% happy about it, understand some of the influences, but can't yet figure out how my brain got me there.
life is like that and for us to assume we know anything about why he tranferred is silly. For all I know his girlfriend got accepted at a program there and he decided that he could move to be close to her. (And no, I know nothing, but figured it was the best out of hockey example I could come up with.)
So for me to take it personally, and get depressed by any outcome involving something I have no control over, would be counterproductive and therefore, in my opinion, stupid.
One's life can be a lot happier if they don't worry about things that they have no control over. After 80 years it's still not successful, but I keep trying.
Try throwing it away instead of always bringing it up here. We know your feelings, but we're trying to forget about Robertson because we can't do anything but deal with what we have now. Continuing to bring up his leaving makes some people upset, becaise they can't do anything.
Live with what we have and might get in the future. The past is just that, THE PAST. It's not worth getting upset over, is probably counterproductive to your happiness and for sure is counterproductive on the Forum.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on March 22, 2026, 02:09:30 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 01:07:58 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
The problem, I think, is that we've heard this all year and I think we know it. Repeating it doesn't add anything new.
Second, if you live long enough you'll see and understand that there are multiple reasons why something might happen and on an individual basis you can't necessarily know why. Hell, after all these years I'm still not 100% sure why my time at MIT caused me to switch from engineering to medicine. I'm 100% happy about it, understand some of the influences, but can't yet figure out how my brain got me there.
life is like that and for us to assume we know anything about why he tranferred is silly. For all I know his girlfriend got accepted at a program there and he decided that he could move to be close to her. (And no, I know nothing, but figured it was the best out of hockey example I could come up with.)
So for me to take it personally, and get depressed by any outcome involving something I have no control over, would be counterproductive and therefore, in my opinion, stupid.
One's life can be a lot happier if they don't worry about things that they have no control over. After 80 years it's still not successful, but I keep trying.
Try throwing it away instead of always bringing it up here. We know your feelings, but we're trying to forget about Robertson because we can't do anything but deal with what we have now. Continuing to bring up his leaving makes some people upset, becaise they can't do anything.
Live with what we have and might get in the future. The past is just that, THE PAST. It's not worth getting upset over, is probably counterproductive to your happiness and for sure is counterproductive on the Forum.
As usual, what you wrote is eminently reasonable, and I respect that you are able to disagree with me without resorting to personal insults, unlike Al DeFlorio.
I do however think it's worth noting that all sports fandom is completely irrational. We needlessly obsess over the past and worry about things outside our control. When it comes to sports fandom, *everything* is outside our control! Once you tie your happiness to the results of a sports team, or their rivals, you have entered a world of irrational behavior and worry! That's how it works—-and there's nothing atypical about it.
So I am wondering if people here took similar issue to Islanders fans' reactions when John Tavares signed with Toronto.
Quote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 01:07:58 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
How does it establish any sort of precedent? You think a player is going to think to himself one day that "Robertson did it, so now it's cool for me to do it?"
Dislike the kid for leaving if you want to, but leave the delusional logic elsewhere.
Quote from: abmarks on March 22, 2026, 03:58:35 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 01:07:58 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
How does it establish any sort of precedent? You think a player is going to think to himself one day that "Robertson did it, so now it's cool for me to do it?"
Certainly. There are absolutely teams that have a culture of sticking around versus transferring out.
Quote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 04:02:32 PMQuote from: abmarks on March 22, 2026, 03:58:35 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 01:07:58 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
How does it establish any sort of precedent? You think a player is going to think to himself one day that "Robertson did it, so now it's cool for me to do it?"
Certainly. There are absolutely teams that have a culture of sticking around versus transferring out.
Far too soon to draw that conclusion given where the pay for play model is today. The new world has only begun.
Quote from: scoop85 on March 22, 2026, 11:41:55 AMQuote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 11:22:16 AMQuote from: scoop85 on March 22, 2026, 11:05:55 AMQuote from: Jackal307 on March 22, 2026, 10:41:49 AMHey guys, left field question that I may have missed being discussed elsewhere, but... I love lake placid but when ecacs are the same weekend as a can-am tournament and the final stop in the Nordic world cup, it makes it completely impossible to find somewhere to stay. It was very empty in the arena, but who the hell can pay 900/night for a hotel room? I know several people who planned to go then looked at prices and realized they couldn't.
I agree. Move it back to Albany, even though the arena is a dump.
The Arena is fine - the arena area is dumpy.
Yeah, I as a bit harsh on the arena. It's perfectly adequate. Just lacks the charm of Herb Brooks arena. But I'll take the loss of charm in exchange for the convenience of Albany. My friend and I paid a significant amount to stay in a very nice VRBO in Keene, which was a 20 minute drive from the arena. And, as was the case this past weekend, there's a much greater chance of snowy weather in LP than in Albany, which made the drive up Friday treacherous. Had the game been in Albany we would've just had some rain to contend with.
But it seems the league is fine with LP, so we're probably stuck with it for the foreseeable future.
Consider how far LP is from Q, Yale, Harvard, Brown and Princeton. Also a pain to get there from Ithaca as Stereax has shown. But LP is certainly nice once you check into your room.
Quote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 04:02:32 PMQuote from: abmarks on March 22, 2026, 03:58:35 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 01:07:58 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
How does it establish any sort of precedent? You think a player is going to think to himself one day that "Robertson did it, so now it's cool for me to do it?"
Certainly. There are absolutely teams that have a culture of sticking around versus transferring out.
Forum members can consider leaving too. Others can gain an additional reason to root for Ben by sticking around.
Quote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 04:43:41 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 04:02:32 PMQuote from: abmarks on March 22, 2026, 03:58:35 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 01:07:58 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
How does it establish any sort of precedent? You think a player is going to think to himself one day that "Robertson did it, so now it's cool for me to do it?"
Certainly. There are absolutely teams that have a culture of sticking around versus transferring out.
Forum members can consider leaving too. Others can gain an additional reason to root for Ben by sticking around.
Me leaving would de facto end your stay here as well given 100% of your posts are responding to mine
Quote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 04:30:46 PMConsider how far LP is from Q, Yale, Harvard, Brown and Princeton. Also a pain to get there from Ithaca as Stereax has shown. But LP is certainly nice once you check into your room.
Absolute pain in the ass to get to... if you don't have a car. Or if it's in a snowstorm.
The ride home today was honestly quite pleasant!
And LP is
incredibly nice. Like, wow is it a nice town to spend a few days in. Plus the views are super pretty as well! (And I've heard that several 15-minute drives away there are other similarly beautiful small towns with charm as well.)
Quote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 03:18:58 PMSo I am wondering if people here took similar issue to Islanders fans' reactions when John Tavares signed with Toronto.
Absolutely. F that pajama-wearing guy.
Quote from: adamw on March 23, 2026, 02:26:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 03:18:58 PMSo I am wondering if people here took similar issue to Islanders fans' reactions when John Tavares signed with Toronto.
Absolutely. F that pajama-wearing guy.
But I asked about others here taking issue with *the fans' response,* not with Tavares. For the record I agree with you. This is extremely normal sports fan behavior. My question is why others get so upset when I bring up rooting against Robertson and why that's any different from eg. an Islanders fan booing Tavares.
Quote from: BearLover on March 23, 2026, 02:38:33 PMQuote from: adamw on March 23, 2026, 02:26:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 03:18:58 PMSo I am wondering if people here took similar issue to Islanders fans' reactions when John Tavares signed with Toronto.
Absolutely. F that pajama-wearing guy.
But I asked about others here taking issue with *the fans' response,* not with Tavares. For the record I agree with you. This is extremely normal sports fan behavior. My question is why others get so upset when I bring up rooting against Robertson and why that's any different from eg. an Islanders fan booing Tavares.
Number 1-He's just in college and
Number 2-I wouldn't even say that to a pro
I don't see any advantage in carrying on that hatred. It just eats away at you. When it happens, let everyone know that you don't like it and then get on with the rest of your life. Carrying those feelings certainly doesn't do anyone any good, you included.
When the Elders of the Tribe give you sage wisdom, it is best to accept it.
Quote from: Jim Hyla on March 23, 2026, 05:37:16 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 23, 2026, 02:38:33 PMQuote from: adamw on March 23, 2026, 02:26:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 03:18:58 PMSo I am wondering if people here took similar issue to Islanders fans' reactions when John Tavares signed with Toronto.
Absolutely. F that pajama-wearing guy.
But I asked about others here taking issue with *the fans' response,* not with Tavares. For the record I agree with you. This is extremely normal sports fan behavior. My question is why others get so upset when I bring up rooting against Robertson and why that's any different from eg. an Islanders fan booing Tavares.
Number 1-He's just in college and
Number 2-I wouldn't even say that to a pro
I don't see any advantage in carrying on that hatred. It just eats away at you. When it happens, let everyone know that you don't like it and then get on with the rest of your life. Carrying those feelings certainly doesn't do anyone any good, you included.
Number 1-that ship sailed many years ago when we collectively decided to jeer at individual Harvard players, to heckle their goalie with personal insults, to throw fish at them.
Number 2-you're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
I very willingly admit that you have a great attitude about these things, perhaps even worth emulating.
With that being said, sports tribalism is fun, it isn't going anywhere, and it's not worth policing.
Quote from: CU2007 on March 22, 2026, 12:52:38 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
No, no they could not beat any NHL teams.
to be fair to BL, have you seen the vancouver canucks?
Quote from: stereax on March 23, 2026, 10:01:59 PMQuote from: CU2007 on March 22, 2026, 12:52:38 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
No, no they could not beat any NHL teams.
to be fair to BL, have you seen the vancouver canucks?
Idk what I've got to do with this but Michigan probably couldn't even beat the Abbotsford Canucks.
Quote from: BearLover on March 23, 2026, 10:05:06 PMQuote from: stereax on March 23, 2026, 10:01:59 PMQuote from: CU2007 on March 22, 2026, 12:52:38 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
No, no they could not beat any NHL teams.
to be fair to BL, have you seen the vancouver canucks?
Idk what I've got to do with this but Michigan probably couldn't even beat the Abbotsford Canucks.
That wasn't you? Damn.
I think the higher-end NCAA teams could absolutely hold their own against some AHL teams - would just depend who and how well they could impose their game.
Also, aren't the Abby Nucks also awful?
Quote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
People who boo a guy who leaves are like people who cheer when an opposing player gets hurt. Sure, there are those people. We have a pretty good idea what those people are like in the rest of their lives.
They are trash. Noting they are trash is not policing them. They have every right to be trash. Indeed, it helps that they self-identify so the rest of us can keep our distance, point, and laugh.
*
If you even are one. With every ridiculous post you sound more like some kid taking a piss which, well, knock yourself out.
Congratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 04:23:48 AMCongratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Man, Rand Pecknold is such a choker.
Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:44:56 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 04:23:48 AMCongratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Man, Rand Pecknold is such a choker.
I'd take his natty in a heartbeat
Quote from: underskill on March 24, 2026, 08:47:01 AMQuote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:44:56 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 04:23:48 AMCongratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Man, Rand Pecknold is such a choker.
I'd take his natty in a heartbeat
True that, sadly.
Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 01:36:05 AMQuote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
People who boo a guy who leaves are like people who cheer when an opposing player gets hurt. Sure, there are those people. We have a pretty good idea what those people are like in the rest of their lives.
They are trash. Noting they are trash is not policing them. They have every right to be trash. Indeed, it helps that they self-identify so the rest of us can keep our distance, point, and laugh.
* If you even are one. With every ridiculous post you sound more like some kid taking a piss which, well, knock yourself out.
Yawn. Not worth engaging with personal insults. You're needlessly rude and
completely off base here.
Example of the 99%: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVT1YYdAF75/?igsh=d3J4bmt5ZWUxd3Zw
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26106979/islanders-fans-welcome-john-tavares-back-long-island
[Tavares returns to the LI after leaving in free agency and gets relentlessly booed/heckled the entire game]
You are conflating the 15 people who post on this forum with all Cornell hockey fans. You're out of touch. Poll Cornell students about how they'd treat Robertson if he were to return to Lynah. They're all trash, according to you. (And you're wrong about the views of people on this forum, too.)
And no, rooting against a player for leaving is NOT the same as cheering when they get hurt. WTF is wrong with you? How would that be the same thing at all?
You are woefully out of touch, with what Cornell fans think, with what sports fans think, and with what I think. You made a very stupid post.
People here need to understand that when they include in their posts personal insults, it doesn't come across as intended. It's just cringe-inducing, really lame stuff. It undermines the rest of your post. Trotsky and The Rancor are two of the biggest offenders. Sorry, I'm going to roll my eyes if you try to call me an elitist or act like I want players to get injured or root for Cornell to lose. How am I supposed to take your post seriously when you're so wildly off base? I have to imagine that I'm not really the audience for these insults; rather, you're fishing for approval from the other posters. Why else would you include a bunch of stupid conjecture in your posts? I've already largely stopped responding to that other guy on here who's been stalking me for a few years now. There's no need for stupid insults, especially when they're completely wrong.
I'm locking in on the NCAA tournament and I suggest you do the same.
Beat Denver!
Beat Robertson!
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26106979/islanders-fans-welcome-john-tavares-back-long-island
Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:44:56 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 04:23:48 AMCongratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Man, Rand Pecknold is such a choker.
Choker in the ECAC, yet consistently meets or exceeds expectations in the NCAA. Three finals appearances in a 10-year span is incredible for an ECAC school.
Could be a sample size thing, could be that teams who have already locked up an NCAA birth don't play with the same edge in their conference tournament.
Whatever the reason, Rand's choking is specific to the ECAC tournament. Which makes it even stranger.
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 10:11:40 AMQuote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:44:56 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 04:23:48 AMCongratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Man, Rand Pecknold is such a choker.
Choker in the ECAC, yet consistently meets or exceeds expectations in the NCAA. Three finals appearances in a 10-year span is incredible for an ECAC school.
Could be a sample size thing, could be that teams who have already locked up an NCAA birth don't play with the same edge in their conference tournament.
But Rand's choking is specific to the ECAC tournament. Which makes it even stranger.
Inverse Schafer.
Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 10:12:17 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 10:11:40 AMQuote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:44:56 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 04:23:48 AMCongratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Man, Rand Pecknold is such a choker.
Choker in the ECAC, yet consistently meets or exceeds expectations in the NCAA. Three finals appearances in a 10-year span is incredible for an ECAC school.
Could be a sample size thing, could be that teams who have already locked up an NCAA birth don't play with the same edge in their conference tournament.
But Rand's choking is specific to the ECAC tournament. Which makes it even stranger.
Inverse Schafer.
We had a very long stretch of not winning the ECAC before 24
QPAC may not emphasize it if their at large is locked up too. Reminds me of UNC also flaming out of the ACC tourney.
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 09:10:53 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 01:36:05 AMQuote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
People who boo a guy who leaves are like people who cheer when an opposing player gets hurt. Sure, there are those people. We have a pretty good idea what those people are like in the rest of their lives.
They are trash. Noting they are trash is not policing them. They have every right to be trash. Indeed, it helps that they self-identify so the rest of us can keep our distance, point, and laugh.
* If you even are one. With every ridiculous post you sound more like some kid taking a piss which, well, knock yourself out.
Yawn. Not worth engaging with personal insults. You're needlessly rude and completely off base here.
Example of the 99%: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVT1YYdAF75/?igsh=d3J4bmt5ZWUxd3Zw
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26106979/islanders-fans-welcome-john-tavares-back-long-island
[Tavares returns to the LI after leaving in free agency and gets relentlessly booed/heckled the entire game]
You are conflating the 15 people who post on this forum with all Cornell hockey fans. You're out of touch. Poll Cornell students about how they'd treat Robertson if he were to return to Lynah. They're all trash, according to you. (And you're wrong about the views of people on this forum, too.)
And no, rooting against a player for leaving is NOT the same as cheering when they get hurt. WTF is wrong with you? How would that be the same thing at all?
You are woefully out of touch, with what Cornell fans think, with what sports fans think, and with what I think. You made a very stupid post.
I don't trust most students at Lynah to have any knowledge of who Robertson is tbf.
Quote from: underskill on March 24, 2026, 10:45:52 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 09:10:53 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 01:36:05 AMQuote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
People who boo a guy who leaves are like people who cheer when an opposing player gets hurt. Sure, there are those people. We have a pretty good idea what those people are like in the rest of their lives.
They are trash. Noting they are trash is not policing them. They have every right to be trash. Indeed, it helps that they self-identify so the rest of us can keep our distance, point, and laugh.
* If you even are one. With every ridiculous post you sound more like some kid taking a piss which, well, knock yourself out.
Yawn. Not worth engaging with personal insults. You're needlessly rude and completely off base here.
Example of the 99%: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVT1YYdAF75/?igsh=d3J4bmt5ZWUxd3Zw
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26106979/islanders-fans-welcome-john-tavares-back-long-island
[Tavares returns to the LI after leaving in free agency and gets relentlessly booed/heckled the entire game]
You are conflating the 15 people who post on this forum with all Cornell hockey fans. You're out of touch. Poll Cornell students about how they'd treat Robertson if he were to return to Lynah. They're all trash, according to you. (And you're wrong about the views of people on this forum, too.)
And no, rooting against a player for leaving is NOT the same as cheering when they get hurt. WTF is wrong with you? How would that be the same thing at all?
You are woefully out of touch, with what Cornell fans think, with what sports fans think, and with what I think. You made a very stupid post.
I don't trust most students at Lynah to have any knowledge of who Robertson is tbf.
Oh for sure. But the way it goes is: the few kids in the row who *do* know start jeering him/telling their friends, and it gradually catches on and eventually the whole section is doing it. Same way Healey on Harvard was randomly getting jeered the entire series two weekends ago.
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 10:56:33 AMQuote from: underskill on March 24, 2026, 10:45:52 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 09:10:53 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 01:36:05 AMQuote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
People who boo a guy who leaves are like people who cheer when an opposing player gets hurt. Sure, there are those people. We have a pretty good idea what those people are like in the rest of their lives.
They are trash. Noting they are trash is not policing them. They have every right to be trash. Indeed, it helps that they self-identify so the rest of us can keep our distance, point, and laugh.
* If you even are one. With every ridiculous post you sound more like some kid taking a piss which, well, knock yourself out.
Yawn. Not worth engaging with personal insults. You're needlessly rude and completely off base here.
Example of the 99%: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVT1YYdAF75/?igsh=d3J4bmt5ZWUxd3Zw
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26106979/islanders-fans-welcome-john-tavares-back-long-island
[Tavares returns to the LI after leaving in free agency and gets relentlessly booed/heckled the entire game]
You are conflating the 15 people who post on this forum with all Cornell hockey fans. You're out of touch. Poll Cornell students about how they'd treat Robertson if he were to return to Lynah. They're all trash, according to you. (And you're wrong about the views of people on this forum, too.)
And no, rooting against a player for leaving is NOT the same as cheering when they get hurt. WTF is wrong with you? How would that be the same thing at all?
You are woefully out of touch, with what Cornell fans think, with what sports fans think, and with what I think. You made a very stupid post.
I don't trust most students at Lynah to have any knowledge of who Robertson is tbf.
Oh for sure. But the way it goes is: the few kids in the row who *do* know start jeering him/telling their friends, and it gradually catches on and eventually the whole section is doing it. Same way Healey on Harvard was randomly getting jeered the entire series two weekends ago.
I have zero ill will towards Robertson and wish him the best.
If Michigan played at Lynah, I'd expect everyone to give him a ton of shit over leaving and I'd join in if I were there too, because what else are you going to do?
So there's room to have it both ways.
Quote from: Dafatone on March 24, 2026, 10:58:28 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 10:56:33 AMQuote from: underskill on March 24, 2026, 10:45:52 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 09:10:53 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 01:36:05 AMQuote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
People who boo a guy who leaves are like people who cheer when an opposing player gets hurt. Sure, there are those people. We have a pretty good idea what those people are like in the rest of their lives.
They are trash. Noting they are trash is not policing them. They have every right to be trash. Indeed, it helps that they self-identify so the rest of us can keep our distance, point, and laugh.
* If you even are one. With every ridiculous post you sound more like some kid taking a piss which, well, knock yourself out.
Yawn. Not worth engaging with personal insults. You're needlessly rude and completely off base here.
Example of the 99%: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVT1YYdAF75/?igsh=d3J4bmt5ZWUxd3Zw
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26106979/islanders-fans-welcome-john-tavares-back-long-island
[Tavares returns to the LI after leaving in free agency and gets relentlessly booed/heckled the entire game]
You are conflating the 15 people who post on this forum with all Cornell hockey fans. You're out of touch. Poll Cornell students about how they'd treat Robertson if he were to return to Lynah. They're all trash, according to you. (And you're wrong about the views of people on this forum, too.)
And no, rooting against a player for leaving is NOT the same as cheering when they get hurt. WTF is wrong with you? How would that be the same thing at all?
You are woefully out of touch, with what Cornell fans think, with what sports fans think, and with what I think. You made a very stupid post.
I don't trust most students at Lynah to have any knowledge of who Robertson is tbf.
Oh for sure. But the way it goes is: the few kids in the row who *do* know start jeering him/telling their friends, and it gradually catches on and eventually the whole section is doing it. Same way Healey on Harvard was randomly getting jeered the entire series two weekends ago.
I have zero ill will towards Robertson and wish him the best.
If Michigan played at Lynah, I'd expect everyone to give him a ton of shit over leaving and I'd join in if I were there too, because what else are you going to do?
So there's room to have it both ways.
Dafatone gets it.
So the eLynah Approved Rooting Posture is to heckle a guy in person for ditching our team, but to cheer for his success when he's not around. ??? :o
I dissent!
Quote from: chimpfood on March 24, 2026, 10:19:53 AMQuote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 10:12:17 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 10:11:40 AMQuote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:44:56 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 04:23:48 AMCongratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Man, Rand Pecknold is such a choker.
Choker in the ECAC, yet consistently meets or exceeds expectations in the NCAA. Three finals appearances in a 10-year span is incredible for an ECAC school.
Could be a sample size thing, could be that teams who have already locked up an NCAA birth don't play with the same edge in their conference tournament.
But Rand's choking is specific to the ECAC tournament. Which makes it even stranger.
Inverse Schafer.
We had a very long stretch of not winning the ECAC before 24
I dunno, I don't consider it choking when the team isn't the favorite to win.
Quinnipiac's history of conference tournament underperformance is just astounding. Reminds me of Clarkson from the 90s (although those great Clarkson teams weren't good in the NCAAs, either). Maybe it's the green uniforms.
Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:53:41 AMQuote from: underskill on March 24, 2026, 08:47:01 AMQuote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:44:56 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 04:23:48 AMCongratulations to Dartmouth, winners of as many ECAC championships (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_Tournament_Champs_by_Team.htm) as Northeastern, UNH, and Quinnipiac.
Man, Rand Pecknold is such a choker.
I'd take his natty in a heartbeat
True that, sadly.
The biggest catastrophe in hockey since 1989
Biggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
Quote from: stereax on March 22, 2026, 05:00:53 PMQuote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 04:30:46 PMConsider how far LP is from Q, Yale, Harvard, Brown and Princeton. Also a pain to get there from Ithaca as Stereax has shown. But LP is certainly nice once you check into your room.
Absolute pain in the ass to get to... if you don't have a car. Or if it's in a snowstorm.
The ride home today was honestly quite pleasant!
And LP is incredibly nice. Like, wow is it a nice town to spend a few days in. Plus the views are super pretty as well! (And I've heard that several 15-minute drives away there are other similarly beautiful small towns with charm as well.)
Yes. The winner for me was looking out over Mirror Lake during lunch and seeing dog sleds. Can' do that in Albany
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
That's a lot of catastrophe for a good team...
Certainly agree with number 1. Definitely the worst thing to happen as a result of COVID ...
Quote from: Jim Hyla on March 23, 2026, 05:37:16 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 23, 2026, 02:38:33 PMQuote from: adamw on March 23, 2026, 02:26:48 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 03:18:58 PMSo I am wondering if people here took similar issue to Islanders fans' reactions when John Tavares signed with Toronto.
Absolutely. F that pajama-wearing guy.
But I asked about others here taking issue with *the fans' response,* not with Tavares. For the record I agree with you. This is extremely normal sports fan behavior. My question is why others get so upset when I bring up rooting against Robertson and why that's any different from eg. an Islanders fan booing Tavares.
Number 1-He's just in college and
Number 2-I wouldn't even say that to a pro
I don't see any advantage in carrying on that hatred. It just eats away at you. When it happens, let everyone know that you don't like it and then get on with the rest of your life. Carrying those feelings certainly doesn't do anyone any good, you included.
Tend to agree. You could also argue that Robertson's success if any reflects well on Cornell. I have much older vendettas to tend. For example, seeing Fusco play for Dartmouth traumatizes me. Anyone under 55, you can look it up
Quote from: arugula on March 24, 2026, 12:21:54 PMYes. The winner for me was looking out over Mirror Lake during lunch and seeing dog sleds. Can't do that in Albany
Well, you can, it just requires some recreational chemicals. Luckily such things are widely available in Albany.
Quote from: arugula on March 24, 2026, 12:21:54 PMQuote from: stereax on March 22, 2026, 05:00:53 PMQuote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 04:30:46 PMConsider how far LP is from Q, Yale, Harvard, Brown and Princeton. Also a pain to get there from Ithaca as Stereax has shown. But LP is certainly nice once you check into your room.
Absolute pain in the ass to get to... if you don't have a car. Or if it's in a snowstorm.
The ride home today was honestly quite pleasant!
And LP is incredibly nice. Like, wow is it a nice town to spend a few days in. Plus the views are super pretty as well! (And I've heard that several 15-minute drives away there are other similarly beautiful small towns with charm as well.)
Yes. The winner for me was looking out over Mirror Lake during lunch and seeing dog sleds. Can' do that in Albany
THE DOG SLEDS... ohhhhh the lovely lovely dog sleds.
Quote from: Dafatone on March 24, 2026, 10:58:28 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 10:56:33 AMQuote from: underskill on March 24, 2026, 10:45:52 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 09:10:53 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 01:36:05 AMQuote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
People who boo a guy who leaves are like people who cheer when an opposing player gets hurt. Sure, there are those people. We have a pretty good idea what those people are like in the rest of their lives.
They are trash. Noting they are trash is not policing them. They have every right to be trash. Indeed, it helps that they self-identify so the rest of us can keep our distance, point, and laugh.
* If you even are one. With every ridiculous post you sound more like some kid taking a piss which, well, knock yourself out.
Yawn. Not worth engaging with personal insults. You're needlessly rude and completely off base here.
Example of the 99%: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVT1YYdAF75/?igsh=d3J4bmt5ZWUxd3Zw
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26106979/islanders-fans-welcome-john-tavares-back-long-island
[Tavares returns to the LI after leaving in free agency and gets relentlessly booed/heckled the entire game]
You are conflating the 15 people who post on this forum with all Cornell hockey fans. You're out of touch. Poll Cornell students about how they'd treat Robertson if he were to return to Lynah. They're all trash, according to you. (And you're wrong about the views of people on this forum, too.)
And no, rooting against a player for leaving is NOT the same as cheering when they get hurt. WTF is wrong with you? How would that be the same thing at all?
You are woefully out of touch, with what Cornell fans think, with what sports fans think, and with what I think. You made a very stupid post.
I don't trust most students at Lynah to have any knowledge of who Robertson is tbf.
Oh for sure. But the way it goes is: the few kids in the row who *do* know start jeering him/telling their friends, and it gradually catches on and eventually the whole section is doing it. Same way Healey on Harvard was randomly getting jeered the entire series two weekends ago.
I have zero ill will towards Robertson and wish him the best.
If Michigan played at Lynah, I'd expect everyone to give him a ton of shit over leaving and I'd join in if I were there too, because what else are you going to do?
So there's room to have it both ways.
I feel like on the ice, yeah, give him shit for leaving! The same way we give everyone shit.
But off the ice, best to him and I hope he does well at Mich. Transferring is a super complicated decision and I'm sure he didn't make it lightly.
I really don't hold ill will towards many people/hockey players. Except Brock Faber. Fuck that guy and his stupid face.
(Also, idk why we chose Healey either. I think it was a trip or something he did early in the series lol. But we were heckling several Harvard players, just Healey caught on.)
Quote from: arugula on March 24, 2026, 12:21:54 PMQuote from: stereax on March 22, 2026, 05:00:53 PMQuote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 04:30:46 PMConsider how far LP is from Q, Yale, Harvard, Brown and Princeton. Also a pain to get there from Ithaca as Stereax has shown. But LP is certainly nice once you check into your room.
Absolute pain in the ass to get to... if you don't have a car. Or if it's in a snowstorm.
The ride home today was honestly quite pleasant!
And LP is incredibly nice. Like, wow is it a nice town to spend a few days in. Plus the views are super pretty as well! (And I've heard that several 15-minute drives away there are other similarly beautiful small towns with charm as well.)
Yes. The winner for me was looking out over Mirror Lake during lunch and seeing dog sleds. Can' do that in Albany
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
For me the 2003 FF no goal is the top calamity. No doubt in my mind we win that game if that goal was counted. Now, how we'd do against Minnesota in the final is a question, but I sure would've liked to take a shot.
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
The most upset I've been as a Cornell fan was the 2006 loss to Wisconsin, although that wasn't so much a travesty or miscarriage of justice as it was a heck of a game all around. That being said, did they really have to call matching minors for roughing that late?
Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 12:41:48 PMQuote from: Dafatone on March 24, 2026, 10:58:28 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 10:56:33 AMQuote from: underskill on March 24, 2026, 10:45:52 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 09:10:53 AMQuote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 01:36:05 AMQuote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
People who boo a guy who leaves are like people who cheer when an opposing player gets hurt. Sure, there are those people. We have a pretty good idea what those people are like in the rest of their lives.
They are trash. Noting they are trash is not policing them. They have every right to be trash. Indeed, it helps that they self-identify so the rest of us can keep our distance, point, and laugh.
* If you even are one. With every ridiculous post you sound more like some kid taking a piss which, well, knock yourself out.
Yawn. Not worth engaging with personal insults. You're needlessly rude and completely off base here.
Example of the 99%: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVT1YYdAF75/?igsh=d3J4bmt5ZWUxd3Zw
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26106979/islanders-fans-welcome-john-tavares-back-long-island
[Tavares returns to the LI after leaving in free agency and gets relentlessly booed/heckled the entire game]
You are conflating the 15 people who post on this forum with all Cornell hockey fans. You're out of touch. Poll Cornell students about how they'd treat Robertson if he were to return to Lynah. They're all trash, according to you. (And you're wrong about the views of people on this forum, too.)
And no, rooting against a player for leaving is NOT the same as cheering when they get hurt. WTF is wrong with you? How would that be the same thing at all?
You are woefully out of touch, with what Cornell fans think, with what sports fans think, and with what I think. You made a very stupid post.
I don't trust most students at Lynah to have any knowledge of who Robertson is tbf.
Oh for sure. But the way it goes is: the few kids in the row who *do* know start jeering him/telling their friends, and it gradually catches on and eventually the whole section is doing it. Same way Healey on Harvard was randomly getting jeered the entire series two weekends ago.
I have zero ill will towards Robertson and wish him the best.
If Michigan played at Lynah, I'd expect everyone to give him a ton of shit over leaving and I'd join in if I were there too, because what else are you going to do?
So there's room to have it both ways.
I feel like on the ice, yeah, give him shit for leaving! The same way we give everyone shit.
But off the ice, best to him and I hope he does well at Mich. Transferring is a super complicated decision and I'm sure he didn't make it lightly.
I really don't hold ill will towards many people/hockey players. Except Brock Faber. Fuck that guy and his stupid face.
(Also, idk why we chose Healey either. I think it was a trip or something he did early in the series lol. But we were heckling several Harvard players, just Healey caught on.)
Because Healey didn't follow his father to RPI? ;)
Quote from: scoop85 on March 24, 2026, 12:57:48 PMQuote from: arugula on March 24, 2026, 12:21:54 PMQuote from: stereax on March 22, 2026, 05:00:53 PMQuote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 04:30:46 PMConsider how far LP is from Q, Yale, Harvard, Brown and Princeton. Also a pain to get there from Ithaca as Stereax has shown. But LP is certainly nice once you check into your room.
Absolute pain in the ass to get to... if you don't have a car. Or if it's in a snowstorm.
The ride home today was honestly quite pleasant!
And LP is incredibly nice. Like, wow is it a nice town to spend a few days in. Plus the views are super pretty as well! (And I've heard that several 15-minute drives away there are other similarly beautiful small towns with charm as well.)
Yes. The winner for me was looking out over Mirror Lake during lunch and seeing dog sleds. Can' do that in Albany
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
For me the 2003 FF no goal is the top calamity. No doubt in my mind we win that game if that goal was counted. Now, how we'd do against Minnesota in the final is a question, but I sure would've liked to take a shot.
Would've loved to see Murray vs Vanek
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
1991, NCAA first round being two-out-of-three instead of one game?
Quote from: Dafatone on March 24, 2026, 01:02:50 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
The most upset I've been as a Cornell fan was the 2006 loss to Wisconsin, although that wasn't so much a travesty or miscarriage of justice as it was a heck of a game all around. That being said, did they really have to call matching minors for roughing that late?
1-10 when playing for the Frozen Four is the real catastrophe. In a vacuum, 2006 was a great game. As part of the rest, ugh.
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
- Coaching staff not bringing in Pelletier last season
Former Yale hockey coach alleges 'toxic environment' under athletic director Victoria Chun, letter shows
https://nypost.com/2026/03/24/sports/former-yale-hockey-coach-alleges-toxic-environment-under-athletic-director-victoria-chun-letter-shows/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social
For a brief moment I thought you had forgotten about Pelletier.
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:04:39 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
- Coaching staff not bringing in Pelletier last season
From an utterly uninformed observer.
Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:04:39 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
- Coaching staff not bringing in Pelletier last season
October 21, 2011 was darker dorkier day.
A real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-ithaca-journal-cornell-hockey-loses/194113353/
Quote from: jts15 on March 24, 2026, 03:18:01 PMFormer Yale hockey coach alleges 'toxic environment' under athletic director Victoria Chun, letter shows
https://nypost.com/2026/03/24/sports/former-yale-hockey-coach-alleges-toxic-environment-under-athletic-director-victoria-chun-letter-shows/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social
Those are some scathing words and it says a lot how much respect the other coaches have for him. Well deserved, too. One would think Yale should have similar advantages to Harvard since they're around a lot of hockey talent, but the past few years have been rough for them
Quote from: David Harding on March 24, 2026, 05:41:33 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-ithaca-journal-cornell-hockey-loses/194113353/
The IJ article says Wisconsin scored the tying goal on a 3-on-1 break with 5 seconds left. If that's accurate, how in the world did we let that happen?
It feels so weird to not be the dick around here anymore.
Quote[Chorus]
Where you been lately?
There's a new kid in town
Everybody hates him (don't they)
And he's talkin' shite, while you're still arouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuund
Quote from: scoop85 on March 24, 2026, 06:35:16 PMQuote from: David Harding on March 24, 2026, 05:41:33 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-ithaca-journal-cornell-hockey-loses/194113353/
The IJ article says Wisconsin scored the tying goal on a 3-on-1 break with 5 seconds left. If that's accurate, how in the world did we let that happen?
God is dead and I'm not feeling too well myself (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1973/box19730316.pdf).
(https://images.sidearmdev.com/resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdxbhsrqyrr690.cloudfront.net%2Fsidearm.nextgen.sites%2Fuwbadgers.com%2Fimages%2F2023%2F2%2F7%2FGoalSequence.jpg&width=2000&type=webp)
Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 01:36:05 AMQuote from: BearLoveryou're in the 1% minority among sports fans. It's a commendable minority to be in, but I don't think there's a need to police the rooting interests of the other 99%.
No. I don't know other Cornellians who are rooting against Robertson because he left. You are in the tiny minority of Cornell hockey fans*, which is the appropriate comparison here.
man i have booed my share of free agent departures in my day. this one doesn't hit me the way it does bl but i don't think the cornell fan community is a paragon of honor that shan't be besmirched. ON THE OTHER HAND, the repetition of this particular bete noire is exhausting.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
The most deflating and discouraging game I've ever attended. I don't think I could possibly imagine how horrible it was without having been there.
I knew Dave Peace and Don Ceci and don't think I had more than a "Tough loss" comment to either of them.
Quote from: marty on March 24, 2026, 08:25:18 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
The most deflating and discouraging game I've ever attended. I don't think I could possibly imagine how horrible it was without having been there.
Kinda like being up 9-6 late in a lacrosse game. And 9-8 with the ball in the closing seconds.
Quote from: Chris '03 on March 24, 2026, 10:22:33 PMQuote from: marty on March 24, 2026, 08:25:18 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
The most deflating and discouraging game I've ever attended. I don't think I could possibly imagine how horrible it was without having been there.
Kinda like being up 9-6 late in a lacrosse game. And 9-8 with the ball in the closing seconds.
Even after the title, I still have to stifle the urge to yell throw it away at the end of quarters.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 04:04:09 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:04:39 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 12:19:23 PMBiggest hockey catastrophes since 1989
- 2020 playoffs canceled
- 2021 season canceled
- Q national championship
- Yale national championship
- Union national championship
- BU OT goal in Schafer's last game
- Alleged rampant stomach flu in Schafer's last game
- Ten separate blown calls in 2019 ECAC final including on the winning goal
- 2003 frozen four no-goal
- Robertson transfer
- 2013 playoff series vs Q
- 2015 home playoff series vs Union
Will supplement with more as I think of them.
- Coaching staff not bringing in Pelletier last season
From an utterly uninformed observer.
"One cannot trust the sun rose this morning unless he saw it with his own eyes." — Al D.
Quote from: marty on March 24, 2026, 08:25:18 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
The most deflating and discouraging game I've ever attended. I don't think I could possibly imagine how horrible it was without having been there.
You think that's bad? Imagine being in the room when Pelletier decommitted.
Quote from: Iceberg on March 24, 2026, 06:23:39 PMQuote from: jts15 on March 24, 2026, 03:18:01 PMFormer Yale hockey coach alleges 'toxic environment' under athletic director Victoria Chun, letter shows
https://nypost.com/2026/03/24/sports/former-yale-hockey-coach-alleges-toxic-environment-under-athletic-director-victoria-chun-letter-shows/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social
Those are some scathing words and it says a lot how much respect the other coaches have for him. Well deserved, too. One would think Yale should have similar advantages to Harvard since they're around a lot of hockey talent, but the past few years have been rough for them
Maybe. But also consider the media source. If Fox/NYP and the rest of the Subhuman League are head hunting, chances are the target is pretext and The Usual Dingleberries are looking for a new DEI scalp to grift on.
RPI got a commit from goalie Ethan McCallum of the Penticton Vees (WHL) for the fall. :) He's the 8th or 9th CHL commit for 2026 depending upon if and when Carter Matthews (Portland Winterhawks) is going to Troy.
Quote from: Chris '03 on March 24, 2026, 10:22:33 PMQuote from: marty on March 24, 2026, 08:25:18 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
The most deflating and discouraging game I've ever attended. I don't think I could possibly imagine how horrible it was without having been there.
Kinda like being up 9-6 late in a lacrosse game. And 9-8 with the ball in the closing seconds.
I wasn't there and it didn't happen.
Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 01:18:50 AMQuote from: marty on March 24, 2026, 08:25:18 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
The most deflating and discouraging game I've ever attended. I don't think I could possibly imagine how horrible it was without having been there.
You think that's bad? Imagine being in the room when Pelletier decommitted.
I can't imagine being
your rubber room nor even get close to being in your head.
Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 01:18:50 AMYou think that's bad? Imagine being in the room when Pelletier decommitted.
I larfed.
Fun article about the regionals and stats. (https://rmshockey.substack.com/p/an-analytics-driven-preview-of-the)
Just going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
Quote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
One note - this piece says Ivy recruits must be committed by April, but Cournoyer committed June 1.
Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 10:48:40 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
One note - this piece says Ivy recruits must be committed by April, but Cournoyer committed June 1.
Good point - there is some wonkiness with different categories. I need to pin that down dammit.
Quote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 11:15:48 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 10:48:40 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
One note - this piece says Ivy recruits must be committed by April, but Cournoyer committed June 1.
Good point - there is some wonkiness with different categories. I need to pin that down dammit.
I have no idea, but maybe it could vary by Ivy League school. Also some schools are notoriously more difficult to transfer into, like Princeton.
Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 11:26:54 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 11:15:48 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 10:48:40 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
One note - this piece says Ivy recruits must be committed by April, but Cournoyer committed June 1.
Good point - there is some wonkiness with different categories. I need to pin that down dammit.
I have no idea, but maybe it could vary by Ivy League school. Also some schools are notoriously more difficult to transfer into, like Princeton.
Could also have been the major junior floodgate opening made an exception?
Quote from: stereax on March 25, 2026, 11:49:27 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 11:26:54 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 11:15:48 AMQuote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 10:48:40 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
One note - this piece says Ivy recruits must be committed by April, but Cournoyer committed June 1.
Good point - there is some wonkiness with different categories. I need to pin that down dammit.
I have no idea, but maybe it could vary by Ivy League school. Also some schools are notoriously more difficult to transfer into, like Princeton.
Could also have been the major junior floodgate opening made an exception?
Think I raised the issue at the time. Seemed a little unusual
Quote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
I suspect that by "inertia" you meant "momentum," but whatevs. Jane used "less" when she meant "fewer." I can still tell your writing apart from hers. :D
Quote from: Beeeej on March 25, 2026, 12:12:01 PMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
I suspect that by "inertia" you meant "momentum," but whatevs. Jane used "less" when she meant "fewer." I can still tell your writing apart from hers. :D
As you know - full-time job offer has editor has stood for 20 years. We pay double any other college hockey site.
Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 10:48:40 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
One note - this piece says Ivy recruits must be committed by April, but Cournoyer committed June 1.
BL I got the clarification ... and initial reporting was correct. Players must have their application in by any Ivy school's "Decision Day" - typically end of March. Varies slightly by school. I don't know about Cournoyer's specifics - but I suspect he had his application in just in case.
Quote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 12:14:17 PMQuote from: Beeeej on March 25, 2026, 12:12:01 PMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
I suspect that by "inertia" you meant "momentum," but whatevs. Jane used "less" when she meant "fewer." I can still tell your writing apart from hers. :D
As you know - full-time job offer has editor has stood for 20 years. We pay double any other college hockey site.
s/has/as
I've always been open to the job. Get back to me when you can outbid Paul, Weiss.
Quote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 12:15:46 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 10:48:40 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
One note - this piece says Ivy recruits must be committed by April, but Cournoyer committed June 1.
BL I got the clarification ... and initial reporting was correct. Players must have their application in by any Ivy school's "Decision Day" - typically end of March. Varies slightly by school. I don't know about Cournoyer's specifics - but I suspect he had his application in just in case.
Interesting. I wonder if exceptions can be made. In any case, we shouldn't expect many other late-breaking commitments like Cournoyer's going forwards.
Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 01:03:12 PMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 12:15:46 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 10:48:40 AMQuote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
One note - this piece says Ivy recruits must be committed by April, but Cournoyer committed June 1.
BL I got the clarification ... and initial reporting was correct. Players must have their application in by any Ivy school's "Decision Day" - typically end of March. Varies slightly by school. I don't know about Cournoyer's specifics - but I suspect he had his application in just in case.
Interesting. I wonder if exceptions can be made. In any case, we shouldn't expect many other late-breaking commitments like Cournoyer's going forwards.
Shouldn't that be "going goalies"? :D
Quinnipiac isn't expecting many of its fans to make it out to South Dakota. They're holding watch parties if any Pecknold fans on this forum want to attend:
Game Watch Party Locations | Thursday, March 26 at 5 p.m. EST
Hamden, CT | Eli's on Whitney
Wallingford, CT | Back 9 Social
Long Island, NY | The Main Event
New York City. NY | Jack Dempsey's
Boston, MA | Stats Bar & Grille
Quote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: marty on March 22, 2026, 04:43:41 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 04:02:32 PMQuote from: abmarks on March 22, 2026, 03:58:35 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 01:07:58 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 22, 2026, 01:03:55 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 12:40:06 PMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 12:19:54 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 22, 2026, 10:55:42 AMQuote from: ER on March 22, 2026, 10:08:32 AMQuote from: Pghas on March 22, 2026, 08:37:39 AMI don't know - would we rather be playing Denver in Denver first before having to beat the western Michigan to get to the frozen four, or playing in Albany but needing to go through Michigan to get there?
Who realistically expects us to make it to the FF?
Not I.
And so I turn to my secondary goals, namely not getting embarrassed in the opening round and Ben Robertson not winning a national championship.
I don't hate on Robertson. He doesn't owe Cornell anything. It's his life to live and it looks like he made a good choice. I have seen Michigan play and they could probably beat some NHL teams on a good day. Would be surprised if anyone beats them.
I "hate on" players who quit on my team. It's less a personal thing and more a sports fandom thing. I think that's a pretty common view. It's fine to feel the opposite way too, even if that's not the norm for most sports fans. Most of all, I think one of our best players transferring out is a terrible precedent for Cornell's long term success. My goal is to make the frozen four and maybe one day win a national championship, and if that's the goal then it is imperative that we retain our best players. Anyway, if his goal was to make it to the NHL, this year didn't help him. No need to rehash this argument though. I very much hope he loses, badly. It would be so depressing if our best defenseman transfers to the Big 10 and immediately wins a national title.
Then why are you "rehashing" it...over and over? I hope someday you'll grow up. Some kid makes a choice based on what he thinks is best for him and that "depresses" you. You must be kidding. Time to get a life. Find an interest in addition to eLynah.
I suggest you find an interest in addition to replying to my posts on eLynah. What depresses me is not how his decision affects him but rather how it impacts Cornell, as I've already explained. Sets a brutal precedent if a kid leaves for greener pastures and immediately wins it all. As a Cornell fan, that would be very depressing!
How does it establish any sort of precedent? You think a player is going to think to himself one day that "Robertson did it, so now it's cool for me to do it?"
Certainly. There are absolutely teams that have a culture of sticking around versus transferring out.
Forum members can consider leaving too. Others can gain an additional reason to root for Ben by sticking around.
Me leaving would de facto end your stay here as well given 100% of your posts are responding to mine
Marty was here for decades before you showed up. His stay ends only when the reaper comes or Mars decides to stop selling snickers
Quote from: adamw on March 25, 2026, 10:33:01 AMJust going to point out that Part I of my 3-part series about "The Landcape" of college hockey was posted today. For all the Bear Lovers out there who are interested.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/24_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
I'd also recommend reading our version of the Yale story. For one, it confirms Fox's and wasn't just Fox being Fox. For two, it has a nugget or two they didn't have. And yes I want more clicks.
I'm enjoying the article but as always the ad overlays on mobile are extreme.
Is there a way for me to give CHN money so I never see an ad again? I know I can install some third party ad blocker but I don't want to do that - they're only bothersome to me on CHN and I'd rather you all get some compensation.If this seems like something you can just fix so it's less intrusive, I can send you a screenshot next time I hit one that covers 1/3 of the screen and can't be dismissed without flipping to landscape or whatever.
Edit - found the CHN ad-free subscription, so I'm buying that! Adam, if the overlay ads aren't supposed to misbehave this way I'd be happy to stay logged out for a bit to get more info for you.
Dartmouth embarrassed themselves in the NCAA tournament but almost none of their good players are seniors (and none of their best players are), so they'll be one of the top ECAC teams against next year unless they experience early departures.
Quote from: BearLover on March 26, 2026, 08:04:29 PMDartmouth embarrassed themselves in the NCAA tournament but almost none of their good players are seniors (and none of their best players are), so they'll be one of the top ECAC teams against next year unless they experience early departures.
No way CJ Foley stays. I'd expect him to sign soon
Quote from: dbilmes on March 25, 2026, 07:25:57 PMQuinnipiac isn't expecting many of its fans to make it out to South Dakota. They're holding watch parties if any Pecknold fans on this forum want to attend:
Game Watch Party Locations | Thursday, March 26 at 5 p.m. EST
Hamden, CT | Eli's on Whitney
Wallingford, CT | Back 9 Social
Long Island, NY | The Main Event
New York City. NY | Jack Dempsey's
Boston, MA | Stats Bar & Grille
There are Amazon warehouses in
all those towns?
Quote from: Iceberg on March 26, 2026, 08:20:17 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 26, 2026, 08:04:29 PMDartmouth embarrassed themselves in the NCAA tournament but almost none of their good players are seniors (and none of their best players are), so they'll be one of the top ECAC teams against next year unless they experience early departures.
No way CJ Foley stays. I'd expect him to sign soon
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Quote from: Iceberg on March 26, 2026, 08:20:17 PMQuote from: BearLover on March 26, 2026, 08:04:29 PMDartmouth embarrassed themselves in the NCAA tournament but almost none of their good players are seniors (and none of their best players are), so they'll be one of the top ECAC teams against next year unless they experience early departures.
No way CJ Foley stays. I'd expect him to sign soon
I wouldn't say "no way." He surely turned down NHL offers last year too. Attended private school growing up, maybe doesn't need the money, relatively local kid, might love his teammates/school. Lots of reasons he might stay.
I think Foley and Cleaves are both gone.
Foley doesn't really have much to prove at the college level. He helped turn Dartmouth around, he put up big numbers, and he came back and got his championship. He's also 22 which is the last age folks can still talk themselves into bigger upside.
Cleaves is a 22 year old sophomore who is one of the top guys in a pretty weak college free agent group. He's a big center who's a decent skater and has some offense, and he can use that to get to the ideal situation. Maybe not a guarantee like Graf got last year but a better shot than someone like Bancroft got.
Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 01:18:50 AMQuote from: marty on March 24, 2026, 08:25:18 PMQuote from: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2026, 05:33:02 PMA real kick in the teeth: March 16, 1973, The Gahden, Wisconsin 6, Cornell 5, OT
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/17/archives/cornell-loses-65-in-hockey-tourney.html
Don't feed me this uninformed bullshit about Pelletier.
The most deflating and discouraging game I've ever attended. I don't think I could possibly imagine how horrible it was without having been there.
You think that's bad? Imagine being in the room when Pelletier decommitted.
What the article doesn't say is that Cornell had a two on zip break in overtime and the shooter (cannot remember his name) hit that backboards. He never played for Bertrand again..
Mercyhurst to discontinue its D1 hockey program. (https://x.com/i/status/2037523765576495589)
Quote from: stereax on March 27, 2026, 09:44:47 AMMercyhurst to discontinue its D1 hockey program. (https://x.com/i/status/2037523765576495589)
That's too bad. Based on Buccigross's tweet I assume the women's program is continuing.
Quote from: Old Red on March 26, 2026, 10:47:14 PMWhat the article doesn't say is that Cornell had a two on zip break in overtime and the shooter (cannot remember his name) hit that backboards. He never played for Bertrand again..
Never heard that before. Yikes.
Quote from: stereax on March 27, 2026, 09:44:47 AMMercyhurst to discontinue its D1 hockey program. (https://x.com/i/status/2037523765576495589)
That's a shame. Perhaps LIU could replace them. Or Stonehill. Both geographic and competitive fits.
Quote from: CU2007 on March 27, 2026, 12:06:55 PMQuote from: stereax on March 27, 2026, 09:44:47 AMMercyhurst to discontinue its D1 hockey program. (https://x.com/i/status/2037523765576495589)
That's a shame. Perhaps LIU could replace them. Or Stonehill. Both geographic and competitive fits.
Hamden is a geographic fit too. ::)
Quote from: marty on March 27, 2026, 12:46:16 PMQuote from: CU2007 on March 27, 2026, 12:06:55 PMQuote from: stereax on March 27, 2026, 09:44:47 AMMercyhurst to discontinue its D1 hockey program. (https://x.com/i/status/2037523765576495589)
That's a shame. Perhaps LIU could replace them. Or Stonehill. Both geographic and competitive fits.
Hamden is a geographic fit too. ::)
Been there, done that. Q was in Atlantic Hockey and its predecessor, the MAAC, for seven years. You'll find this hard to believe, but they were a top-two seed every year and produced... one championship.
Quote from: Give My Regards on March 27, 2026, 01:02:21 PMQuote from: marty on March 27, 2026, 12:46:16 PMQuote from: CU2007 on March 27, 2026, 12:06:55 PMQuote from: stereax on March 27, 2026, 09:44:47 AMMercyhurst to discontinue its D1 hockey program. (https://x.com/i/status/2037523765576495589)
That's a shame. Perhaps LIU could replace them. Or Stonehill. Both geographic and competitive fits.
Hamden is a geographic fit too. ::)
Been there, done that. Q was in Atlantic Hockey and its predecessor, the MAAC, for seven years. You'll find this hard to believe, but they were a top-two seed every year and produced... one championship.
Yes. My memory hasn't forgotten the dark day the ECAC let them join. If not Atlantic I'd also think we can hope they return to club status.
Quote from: Give My Regards on March 27, 2026, 01:02:21 PMQuote from: marty on March 27, 2026, 12:46:16 PMQuote from: CU2007 on March 27, 2026, 12:06:55 PMQuote from: stereax on March 27, 2026, 09:44:47 AMMercyhurst to discontinue its D1 hockey program. (https://x.com/i/status/2037523765576495589)
That's a shame. Perhaps LIU could replace them. Or Stonehill. Both geographic and competitive fits.
Hamden is a geographic fit too. ::)
Been there, done that. Q was in Atlantic Hockey and its predecessor, the MAAC, for seven years. You'll find this hard to believe, but they were a top-two seed every year and produced... one championship.
(https://staging.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/im_shocked.gif)
Link to Mercyhurst's announcement (https://www.mercyhurst.edu/news/mercyhurst-university-announces-strategic-program-adjustments-strengthen-future-growth).
https://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2038408532572229679?s=20
Bearish indicator for parity in college hockey. Everything changed with the transfer portal. It used to be that early departures or a recruiting miss could crush a program. There were times in recent years where the blue-bloods would be too young, or not have a serviceable goalie. Nowadays they just pluck the best available out of the portal to fill any holes and never miss a beat.
Quinnipiac and Dartmouth are going to be clear favorites next season. Almost none of their best players are seniors and there currently aren't any signs of early departures. That's subject to change if kids leave. Cornell, Clarkson, and Harvard should be somewhere in 3 through 5. For Cornell, I assume we'll end up ranked third in the preseason polls, but a lot depends a lot on whether Walsh returns. A lot of the rising sophomores will need to make a big jump. They were very quiet down the stretch. Princeton was senior-dominated and should have a big dropoff.
Can Casty and Walsh put our underclassmen through Faceoff Bootcamp over the summer? 🤔
Quote from: stereax on March 29, 2026, 10:42:39 PMCan Casty and Walsh put our underclassmen through Faceoff Bootcamp over the summer? 🤔
Bootcamp's great... but they already get time each year with someone who's basically a rock star at the dot.
I'll bet we have good centers next year.
Quote from: Snowball on March 29, 2026, 11:29:10 PMQuote from: stereax on March 29, 2026, 10:42:39 PMCan Casty and Walsh put our underclassmen through Faceoff Bootcamp over the summer? 🤔
Bootcamp's great... but they already get time each year with someone who's basically a rock star at the dot.
I'll bet we have good centers next year.
Paying it forward. Seger was great at the dot. It's tradition.
https://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2039356887250964661?s=20
This is bad. It is bad when the weaker members of our conference get even worse.
Quote from: BearLover on April 01, 2026, 12:35:47 PMhttps://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2039356887250964661?s=20
This is bad. It is bad when the weaker members of our conference get even worse.
Given that Colgate gave us trouble and was the gooniest team we saw this season, I support all their players leaving.
That being said, I get your larger point.
Colgate, Union, St. Lawrence will probably all lose their top players.
My Part 2 Special Report is posted today, if anyone is interested:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/31_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
Quote from: adamw on April 01, 2026, 01:08:53 PMColgate, Union, St. Lawrence will probably all lose their top players.
My Part 2 Special Report is posted today, if anyone is interested:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/31_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
For real? 👀
Quote from: BearLover on April 01, 2026, 12:35:47 PMhttps://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2039356887250964661?s=20
This is bad. It is bad when the weaker members of our conference get even worse.
What if he wants to play at Lynah?
Quote from: ugarte on April 01, 2026, 02:15:53 PMQuote from: BearLover on April 01, 2026, 12:35:47 PMhttps://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2039356887250964661?s=20
This is bad. It is bad when the weaker members of our conference get even worse.
What if he wants to play at Lynah?
Very good.
But somehow I doubt it.
Quote from: adamw on April 01, 2026, 01:08:53 PMColgate, Union, St. Lawrence will probably all lose their top players.
My Part 2 Special Report is posted today, if anyone is interested:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/31_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
Great article. Thank you, Adam.
I wonder if transfer restrictions could be limited to 2 or 3 total? One, you can play immediately, but there is a 2 year (season) wait until the next one, which then would result in a one season red-shirt, which wouldn't count against your 4. If you had eligibility left after that, no restriction (eg for a grad year)
Quote from: adamw on April 01, 2026, 01:08:53 PMColgate, Union, St. Lawrence will probably all lose their top players.
My Part 2 Special Report is posted today, if anyone is interested:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/31_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
Very informative and scary article. I am sure that you know that RIT is not in the ECAC, although it is in the Liberty League in other sports with the four ECAC D-III schools.
Quote from: The Rancor on April 01, 2026, 02:46:34 PMQuote from: adamw on April 01, 2026, 01:08:53 PMColgate, Union, St. Lawrence will probably all lose their top players.
My Part 2 Special Report is posted today, if anyone is interested:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/31_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
Great article. Thank you, Adam.
I wonder if transfer restrictions could be limited to 2 or 3 total? One, you can play immediately, but there is a 2 year (season) wait until the next one, which then would result in a one season red-shirt, which wouldn't count against your 4. If you had eligibility left after that, no restriction (eg for a grad year)
I think I mentioned that in Part 1 - it really wouldn't help anything. There are over 300 transfers in college hockey - and only 27 are on team 3.
Quote from: ursusminor on April 01, 2026, 02:48:50 PMQuote from: adamw on April 01, 2026, 01:08:53 PMColgate, Union, St. Lawrence will probably all lose their top players.
My Part 2 Special Report is posted today, if anyone is interested:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/31_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
Very informative and scary article. I am sure that you know that RIT is not in the ECAC, although it is in the Liberty League in other sports with the four ECAC D-III schools.
thanks - that sentence was supposed to say "four of them are in the ECAC" - having "five" there makes it seem like I was calling RIT an ECAC team. Fixed it.
I assume an April Fools joke.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DWmE69XDiHq/
Quote from: adamw on April 01, 2026, 01:08:53 PMColgate, Union, St. Lawrence will probably all lose their top players.
My Part 2 Special Report is posted today, if anyone is interested:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/31_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
FWIW, nothing in here is that surprising to me personally, though that may be because we've been hashing this topic out awhile now. I still have the same gripes about the wishy-washiness of a lot of the language/numbers--there's quite a bit of hedging, speculating, ballpark estimating, etc. I have some object-level criticisms with a few of the numbers but I don't think either of us want to get into this argument again. So I'll just say that I appreciate you covering this topic.
Thanks also for the bit about robbing Peter to pay Paul. This is a major crux that I think a lot of people don't account for. The hockey team does not magically come up with 500K for revenue sharing. Rather, they divert that money from elsewhere or have to milk their donors for even more. This is much easier said than done and, even if it does happen, may come at the expense of other parts of their program like facilities or coaching salaries. One other thing I did not see mentioned is that opting into 8 additional scholarships is itself extremely expensive, particularly given that Title IX requires 8 additional women's scholarships on top of that. These scholarship costs alone surpass any team's revenue sharing budget. I.e., opting in is even harder to afford than most realize.
The one question I have pertains to this line:
"Now, the challenge is much greater. It works like this:
Colgate — 18 scholarships
Michigan — 18 scholarships + 8 more scholarships + COA and Alston money + maybe $50,000 to $250,000."
You say earlier that Big 10 schools have a budget between 500K and 1m. Does that include COA and Alston money? Because otherwise shouldn't the last term of the Michigan equation say "+ maybe $500,000 to $1,000,000"?
Quote from: ursusminor on April 02, 2026, 05:07:19 AMI assume an April Fools joke.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DWmE69XDiHq/
Those fuck severely.
Quote from: stereax on April 02, 2026, 10:32:47 AMQuote from: ursusminor on April 02, 2026, 05:07:19 AMI assume an April Fools joke.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DWmE69XDiHq/
Those fuck severely.
That was the intention. :)
Podcast interview about RPI's past season and the future with coach Eric Lang. (interviewers Stephen Zenack, Brendan O'Gara, and Chris McGarvey)
https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/season-wrap-up-with-coach-lang
Quote from: BearLover on April 02, 2026, 06:04:51 AMQuote from: adamw on April 01, 2026, 01:08:53 PMColgate, Union, St. Lawrence will probably all lose their top players.
My Part 2 Special Report is posted today, if anyone is interested:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/03/31_CHN-Special-Report-Part-.php
FWIW, nothing in here is that surprising to me personally, though that may be because we've been hashing this topic out awhile now. I still have the same gripes about the wishy-washiness of a lot of the language/numbers--there's quite a bit of hedging, speculating, ballpark estimating, etc. I have some object-level criticisms with a few of the numbers but I don't think either of us want to get into this argument again. So I'll just say that I appreciate you covering this topic.
Thanks also for the bit about robbing Peter to pay Paul. This is a major crux that I think a lot of people don't account for. The hockey team does not magically come up with 500K for revenue sharing. Rather, they divert that money from elsewhere or have to milk their donors for even more. This is much easier said than done and, even if it does happen, may come at the expense of other parts of their program like facilities or coaching salaries. One other thing I did not see mentioned is that opting into 8 additional scholarships is itself extremely expensive, particularly given that Title IX requires 8 additional women's scholarships on top of that. These scholarship costs alone surpass any team's revenue sharing budget. I.e., opting in is even harder to afford than most realize.
The one question I have pertains to this line:
"Now, the challenge is much greater. It works like this:
Colgate — 18 scholarships
Michigan — 18 scholarships + 8 more scholarships + COA and Alston money + maybe $50,000 to $250,000."
You say earlier that Big 10 schools have a budget between 500K and 1m. Does that include COA and Alston money? Because otherwise shouldn't the last term of the Michigan equation say "+ maybe $500,000 to $1,000,000"?
Good question, and by the way, I don't disagree with you on the robbing Peter to pay Paul part, and I thought of you when I wrote that. Heh. That's acknowledged quite a bit in the article. However, there are also numerous people quoted - and others alluded to - that say they hope not to do that, and are doing whatever they can to avoid that. On top of that, however, is that, even if it's true, it doesn't take away from the fact that it will go directly to players, and that has an impact - which is what we were arguing/discussing in the first place. If worst case scenario, your arena falls behind in its weight room facilities, but you've paid $50,000 for a 2nd round draft pick - then going forward, that's impactful.
Now, back to your question - I believe what I meant there was $50,000 to $250,000 for a particular player. Though I admit that snippet is confusing.
I'm sure this won't complicate the situation at all:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/04/urgent-national-action-to-save-college-sports/
Quote from: Chris '03 on April 03, 2026, 06:44:34 PMI'm sure this won't complicate the situation at all:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/04/urgent-national-action-to-save-college-sports/
My eyes are bleeding
Quote from: stereax on April 03, 2026, 08:22:50 PMQuote from: Chris '03 on April 03, 2026, 06:44:34 PMI'm sure this won't complicate the situation at all:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/04/urgent-national-action-to-save-college-sports/
My eyes are bleeding
I'd suggest seeing a doctor but....
Quote from: Chris '03 on April 03, 2026, 06:44:34 PMI'm sure this won't complicate the situation at all:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/04/urgent-national-action-to-save-college-sports/
This won't become law because the president doesn't have this authority, but notably this EO gives NCAA athletes five years of eligibility. For some reason there's been a push for that. Were it to ever happen, it would cripple the Ivy League, which does not permit grad student athletes.
Quote from: BearLover on April 04, 2026, 12:14:57 AMQuote from: Chris '03 on April 03, 2026, 06:44:34 PMI'm sure this won't complicate the situation at all:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/04/urgent-national-action-to-save-college-sports/
This won't become law because the president doesn't have this authority, but notably this EO gives NCAA athletes five years of eligibility. For some reason there's been a push for that. Were it to ever happen, it would cripple the Ivy League, which does not permit grad student athletes.
I mean the NCAA is a private enterprise and should be able to run its own shit the way it wants. That being said, Trump can threaten to cut federal funding and then everyone either gets in line real fast or gets well and truly fucked, in many cases, while this goes through the courts.
Quote from: stereax on April 04, 2026, 12:49:35 AMQuote from: BearLover on April 04, 2026, 12:14:57 AMQuote from: Chris '03 on April 03, 2026, 06:44:34 PMI'm sure this won't complicate the situation at all:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/04/urgent-national-action-to-save-college-sports/
This won't become law because the president doesn't have this authority, but notably this EO gives NCAA athletes five years of eligibility. For some reason there's been a push for that. Were it to ever happen, it would cripple the Ivy League, which does not permit grad student athletes.
I mean the NCAA is a private enterprise and should be able to run its own shit the way it wants. That being said, Trump can threaten to cut federal funding and then everyone either gets in line real fast or gets well and truly fucked, in many cases, while this goes through the courts.
"He can't DO that!" Are we still pretending that he can't or won't? Or that everyone won't cowtow to his whims?
Quote from: The Rancor on April 04, 2026, 06:54:17 AMQuote from: stereax on April 04, 2026, 12:49:35 AMQuote from: BearLover on April 04, 2026, 12:14:57 AMQuote from: Chris '03 on April 03, 2026, 06:44:34 PMI'm sure this won't complicate the situation at all:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/04/urgent-national-action-to-save-college-sports/
This won't become law because the president doesn't have this authority, but notably this EO gives NCAA athletes five years of eligibility. For some reason there's been a push for that. Were it to ever happen, it would cripple the Ivy League, which does not permit grad student athletes.
I mean the NCAA is a private enterprise and should be able to run its own shit the way it wants. That being said, Trump can threaten to cut federal funding and then everyone either gets in line real fast or gets well and truly fucked, in many cases, while this goes through the courts.
"He can't DO that!" Are we still pretending that he can't or won't? Or that everyone won't cowtow to his whims?
that's literally the point of my message lol
Quote from: stereax on April 04, 2026, 08:59:10 AMQuote from: The Rancor on April 04, 2026, 06:54:17 AMQuote from: stereax on April 04, 2026, 12:49:35 AMQuote from: BearLover on April 04, 2026, 12:14:57 AMQuote from: Chris '03 on April 03, 2026, 06:44:34 PMI'm sure this won't complicate the situation at all:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/04/urgent-national-action-to-save-college-sports/
This won't become law because the president doesn't have this authority, but notably this EO gives NCAA athletes five years of eligibility. For some reason there's been a push for that. Were it to ever happen, it would cripple the Ivy League, which does not permit grad student athletes.
I mean the NCAA is a private enterprise and should be able to run its own shit the way it wants. That being said, Trump can threaten to cut federal funding and then everyone either gets in line real fast or gets well and truly fucked, in many cases, while this goes through the courts.
"He can't DO that!" Are we still pretending that he can't or won't? Or that everyone won't cowtow to his whims?
that's literally the point of my message lol
Yes, sorry I was attempting a quote of the comment above you.
Looking at the moment like zero early departures from Quinnipiac or Dartmouth. Also, this year there were very few seniors on either team. The best senior, Jeremy Wilmer of Q, missed the second half of the season with injury and is trying to apply for a redshirt exemption to return for a fifth year. I believe he played too many games, and too late into the season, to be redshirt-eligible, but who knows anymore. Notably, Q's top three scorers this year were freshmen. Add it all up, and next year Q will be the clear favorite in the ECAC, with Dartmouth the clear second.
Maybe likely we could play in this, as a NY state school?
www.uscho.com/2026/04/06/liu-announces-new-holiday-tournament
Quote from: 617BigRed on April 06, 2026, 06:42:01 PMMaybe likely we could play in this, as a NY state school?
www.uscho.com/2026/04/06/liu-announces-new-holiday-tournament
If it's only NY schools, there's not a lot of advantage to us. The only schools are in Atlantic Hockey, which is a weak conference in terms of SOS, and our own conference, which does nothing in terms of out-of-conference record and precious little for SOS.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 06, 2026, 07:27:32 PMQuote from: 617BigRed on April 06, 2026, 06:42:01 PMMaybe likely we could play in this, as a NY state school?
www.uscho.com/2026/04/06/liu-announces-new-holiday-tournament
If it's only NY schools, there's not a lot of advantage to us. The only schools are in Atlantic Hockey, which is a weak conference in terms of SOS, and our own conference, which does nothing in terms of out-of-conference record and precious little for SOS.
But it's more games in the NYC area which is good for alumni engagement (and of course donations)
Quote from: CU2007 on April 06, 2026, 10:11:08 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 06, 2026, 07:27:32 PMQuote from: 617BigRed on April 06, 2026, 06:42:01 PMMaybe likely we could play in this, as a NY state school?
www.uscho.com/2026/04/06/liu-announces-new-holiday-tournament
If it's only NY schools, there's not a lot of advantage to us. The only schools are in Atlantic Hockey, which is a weak conference in terms of SOS, and our own conference, which does nothing in terms of out-of-conference record and precious little for SOS.
But it's more games in the NYC area which is good for alumni engagement (and of course donations)
A post on USCHO https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/2026-27-schedules-thread.37285/post-2976645 stated that the participants are LIU, FSU, Army, and SLU. Last I heard, Ferris is not in NY. :)
Quote from: ursusminor on April 07, 2026, 01:05:50 AMQuote from: CU2007 on April 06, 2026, 10:11:08 PMQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 06, 2026, 07:27:32 PMQuote from: 617BigRed on April 06, 2026, 06:42:01 PMMaybe likely we could play in this, as a NY state school?
www.uscho.com/2026/04/06/liu-announces-new-holiday-tournament
If it's only NY schools, there's not a lot of advantage to us. The only schools are in Atlantic Hockey, which is a weak conference in terms of SOS, and our own conference, which does nothing in terms of out-of-conference record and precious little for SOS.
But it's more games in the NYC area which is good for alumni engagement (and of course donations)
A post on USCHO https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/2026-27-schedules-thread.37285/post-2976645 stated that the participants are LIU, FSU, Army, and SLU. Last I heard, Ferris is not in NY. :)
Interesting choice for the odd man out.
Cashman got the Penrose (https://x.com/i/status/2041576925240365289) for Coach of the Year.
Also, PSU players Wiebusch (https://x.com/i/status/2041178848276967839) and Chin-DeGraves (https://x.com/i/status/2041531002175037938) to the portal.
Quote from: stereax on April 07, 2026, 03:26:14 PMCashman got the Penrose (https://x.com/i/status/2041576925240365289) for Coach of the Year.
We need a puking emoji again.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 07, 2026, 03:33:56 PMQuote from: stereax on April 07, 2026, 03:26:14 PMCashman got the Penrose (https://x.com/i/status/2041576925240365289) for Coach of the Year.
We need a puking emoji again.
At least it wasn't Pecker.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 07, 2026, 03:33:56 PMQuote from: stereax on April 07, 2026, 03:26:14 PMCashman got the Penrose (https://x.com/i/status/2041576925240365289) for Coach of the Year.
We need a puking emoji again.
Agree. And what a terrible photo, he looks like he is arguing with a ref mid-game in that shot. Maybe there is a mixed message in there.
https://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2042064017284595917?s=20
More crap from the modern NCAA. This doesn't help us at all. We already beat Brown by 3 goals every time we play them.
Quote from: BearLover on April 08, 2026, 11:32:07 PMhttps://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2042064017284595917?s=20
More crap from the modern NCAA. This doesn't help us at all. We already beat Brown by 3 goals every time we play them.
Unless he transfers here.
Quote from: Dafatone on April 09, 2026, 12:09:56 AMQuote from: BearLover on April 08, 2026, 11:32:07 PMhttps://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2042064017284595917?s=20
More crap from the modern NCAA. This doesn't help us at all. We already beat Brown by 3 goals every time we play them.
Unless he transfers here.
Would be nice...
McNally for CHN about the goalies in the Frozen Four. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/04/08_Freshman-Foursome-And-Experienced.php)
Also, Cornell mention <3
Quote from: Snowball on April 07, 2026, 05:13:34 PMAnd what a terrible photo, he looks like he is arguing with a ref mid-game in that shot.
Me swearing I thought I
had run that load on Delicate.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFUiTY4WcAAqWNS?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Quote from: Dafatone on April 09, 2026, 12:09:56 AMQuote from: BearLover on April 08, 2026, 11:32:07 PMhttps://x.com/SchlossmanGF/status/2042064017284595917?s=20
More crap from the modern NCAA. This doesn't help us at all. We already beat Brown by 3 goals every time we play them.
Unless he transfers here.
Get Max Andreev on the phone, stat.
Quote from: stereax on April 09, 2026, 12:29:07 AMMcNally for CHN about the goalies in the Frozen Four. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/04/08_Freshman-Foursome-And-Experienced.php)
Also, Cornell mention <3
When did Jane go pro? I love CHN, so I am glad she wasn't picked up by USCHO.
Do folks think she will return for her degree when her pen runs dry? I am not sre you need that in this AI era.
How do we think this will affect the competitiveness of Cornell's school of journalism, especially against instate rivals like Syracse?
Speaking as someone who entered as Comm Arts with the goal of being a print journalist, it won't affect it at all. Cornell is an embarrassment to 21st century journalism, and 21st century journalism sucks.
Quote from: Old Red on April 09, 2026, 06:08:28 AMQuote from: stereax on April 09, 2026, 12:29:07 AMMcNally for CHN about the goalies in the Frozen Four. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/04/08_Freshman-Foursome-And-Experienced.php)
Also, Cornell mention <3
When did Jane go pro? I love CHN, so I am glad she wasn't picked up by USCHO.
Do folks think she will return for her degree when her pen runs dry? I am not sre you need that in this AI era.
How do we think this will affect the competitiveness of Cornell's school of journalism, especially against instate rivals like Syracse?
Hey, I'm just glad she stayed all four years. No early pro signing for Jane, she's a true Cornellian.
Quote from: Old Red on April 09, 2026, 06:08:28 AMWhen did Jane go pro? I love CHN...
hasn't she freelanced for CHN before?
EDIT: I checked and ... yes, a lot (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/sitesearch.php?newsquery=1&aid=55).
Quote from: ugarte on April 09, 2026, 09:50:49 AMQuote from: Old Red on April 09, 2026, 06:08:28 AMWhen did Jane go pro? I love CHN...
hasn't she freelanced for CHN before?
EDIT: I checked and ... yes, a lot (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/sitesearch.php?newsquery=1&aid=55).
Yep - she's been with CHN for a while now!
With the All American teams to be announced tomorrow (I assume, it's usually the off day), I found this on Wikipedia. Schools sorted by D1 All American First Team players:
1. BU 62
2. BC 60
3. Michigan 58
4. NoDak 56
5. CC 47
Minnesota 47
7. Denver 45
8. MSU 40
9. Harvard 37
10. Cornell 35
11. Clarkson 33
Wisconsin 33
12. MTU 31
13. UMD 26
14. UNH 25
15. SLU 23
16. Maine 22
NU 22
18. RPI 20
19. BGSU 15
20. Dartmouth 12
Vermont 12
22. Brown 11
Yale 11
Note: I did all the formatting perfectly, and then the edit mode fucked it up, so screw it, you get what you get.
Wiebe signing with Calgary, as expected.
Augustine gets the Richter, Wyttenbach ROTY, Max Plante the Hobey.
Anchorage seems to have a lot of portaling players. (https://x.com/i/status/2042798947060584922)
2026 NCAA D1 All American East (https://www.ahcahockey.com/news/2526/0410d1aa.php) First Team :
G Michael Hrabal, JR, Massachusetts
D Brandon Holt, SR, Maine
D Cole Hutson, SO, BU
F James Hagens, SO, BC
F Hayden Stavroff, SO, Dartmouth
F Ethan Wyttenbach, FR, Quinnipiac
Second Team:
G Lawton Zacher, JR, Northeastern
D Tyler Dunbar, JR, Union
D Chris Hedden, SR, U.S. Air Force
F Dylan Hryckowian, JR, Northeastern
F Jack Musa, JR, Massachusetts
F Felix Trudeau, SR, Sacred Heart
Lest we forget (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_History/conf_Champ_by_Team_by_Decade.htm).
Quote from: Trotsky on April 11, 2026, 01:00:50 AM2026 NCAA D1 All American East (https://www.ahcahockey.com/news/2526/0410d1aa.php) First Team :
G Michael Hrabal, JR, Massachusetts
D Brandon Holt, SR, Maine
D Cole Hutson, SO, BU
F James Hagens, SO, BC
F Hayden Stavroff, SO, Dartmouth
F Ethan Wyttenbach, FR, Quinnipiac
Second Team:
G Lawton Zacher, JR, Northeastern
D Tyler Dunbar, JR, Union
D Chris Hedden, SR, U.S. Air Force
F Dylan Hryckowian, JR, Northeastern
F Jack Musa, JR, Massachusetts
F Felix Trudeau, SR, Sacred Heart
Air Force is East?
Riiiiiight. "Atlantic" Hockey. I forgot.
Quote from: RichH on April 11, 2026, 09:33:38 AMQuote from: Trotsky on April 11, 2026, 01:00:50 AM2026 NCAA D1 All American East (https://www.ahcahockey.com/news/2526/0410d1aa.php) First Team :
G Michael Hrabal, JR, Massachusetts
D Brandon Holt, SR, Maine
D Cole Hutson, SO, BU
F James Hagens, SO, BC
F Hayden Stavroff, SO, Dartmouth
F Ethan Wyttenbach, FR, Quinnipiac
Second Team:
G Lawton Zacher, JR, Northeastern
D Tyler Dunbar, JR, Union
D Chris Hedden, SR, U.S. Air Force
F Dylan Hryckowian, JR, Northeastern
F Jack Musa, JR, Massachusetts
F Felix Trudeau, SR, Sacred Heart
Air Force is East?
Riiiiiight. "Atlantic" Hockey. I forgot.
2 of the 3 seniors are from the AHA.
Seems like the Avs landed TJ Hughes.