WHCU to conclude historic broadcast partnership with Cornell Hockey:
https://607newsnow.com/news/258852-a-legacy-of-over-80-years-comes-to-a-close-as-cornell-shifts-its-broadcast-plans/
More time for WHCU to air the quality evening programming we are accustomed to hearing leading up to games the past few years I suppose. *eyeroll*
Locals I've talked to today have expressed concerns how this will play out in terms of a terrestrial audio offering.
Sad. Passing of an era.
But ...
The number of people who want to listen to Cornell hockey and who don't have ESPN+ audio or video streaming is probably quite small. They're, ah, hosed.
The story doesn't say a lot, like what happens to sports other than hockey ... if Cornell is taking back and keeping radio rights ... if WVBR would want to do a simulcast (it would probably require sports fans on VBR's leadership ... is it really worth the effort to send a radio guy on the road ... is it worth it for an undergrad student interested in sports broadcasting to travel to away games ... could the audio of the video broadcast have a carve-out that allows the audio-only to be broadcast locally for the couple hundred (my guess) of Ithacans who want to listen to an over the air broadcast?
I struggled to the current cornellbigred site, found Cornell football, and saw the only broadcast link is for ESPN+ video.
radio is so much easier when listening outside the house. Doing yardwork or in a car. And cell phone coverage is just so bad in so many places around here.
Quote from: billhowardSad. Passing of an era.
But ...
The number of people who want to listen to Cornell hockey and who don't have ESPN+ audio or video streaming is probably quite small. They're, ah, hosed.
The story doesn't say a lot, like what happens to sports other than hockey ... if Cornell is taking back and keeping radio rights ... if WVBR would want to do a simulcast (it would probably require sports fans on VBR's leadership ... is it really worth the effort to send a radio guy on the road ... is it worth it for an undergrad student interested in sports broadcasting to travel to away games ... could the audio of the video broadcast have a carve-out that allows the audio-only to be broadcast locally for the couple hundred (my guess) of Ithacans who want to listen to an over the air broadcast?
I struggled to the current cornellbigred site, found Cornell football, and saw the only broadcast link is for ESPN+ video.
Anyone care to put odds on Jason vs. Grady? This potentially sucks for me because I like them both. And for the record I'm not from Binghamton. ;-)
Quote from: billhowardSad. Passing of an era.
But ...
The number of people who want to listen to Cornell hockey and who don't have ESPN+ audio or video streaming is probably quite small. They're, ah, hosed.
That's not the only problem.
There
are games not invited to the Bristol Bastard Banquet. Worse, at least ten times a year that inept crew drops trou and leaves large chunks of games with no video coverage. And now we are shut out from them.
WHCU may have crawled up the fasc anus, but at least they actually gave a shit about Cornell hockey. Bill Rasmussen's fucktoy never did and never will.
Quote from: billhowardSad. Passing of an era.
But ...
The number of people who want to listen to Cornell hockey and who don't have ESPN+ audio or video streaming is probably quite small. They're, ah, hosed.
The story doesn't say a lot, like what happens to sports other than hockey ... if Cornell is taking back and keeping radio rights ... if WVBR would want to do a simulcast (it would probably require sports fans on VBR's leadership ... is it really worth the effort to send a radio guy on the road ... is it worth it for an undergrad student interested in sports broadcasting to travel to away games ... could the audio of the video broadcast have a carve-out that allows the audio-only to be broadcast locally for the couple hundred (my guess) of Ithacans who want to listen to an over the air broadcast?
I struggled to the current cornellbigred site, found Cornell football, and saw the only broadcast link is for ESPN+ video.
I never understood why WVBR doesn't do the games. It's not as if their other programming relies on large audiences; well, I shouldn't say that, I am judging by back in the day when Throbbing Gristle was too mainstream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZAIrbonUcA&ab_channel=SaveMeKaizer) for their DJs.
Quote from: TrotskyI never understood why WVBR doesn't do the games. It's not as if their other programming relies on large audiences; well, I shouldn't say that, I am judging by back in the day when Throbbing Gristle was too mainstream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZAIrbonUcA&ab_channel=SaveMeKaizer) for their DJs.
I'm reasonably certain it had something to do with not wanting to spend the money on the rights. That plus the training program for sportsies at VBR never really included play-by-play or color, just reporting and panel, and paying for outside talent was more or less taboo as well.
Cornell wanting more money would make sense.
But even big time sports like SU struggles to get games on the radio to cover most of the state. No different than the Mets who you can't listen to at all locally anymore.
Very sad. I like Grady. He seems like a nice guy but Jason is an outstanding radio pbp voice. A real shame if he's lost to us as I assume he will be.
Grady is outstanding.
I miss the pre- and post-game analysis that the football, basketball, and lacrosse radio broadcasts used to provide. I will miss that if the radio broadcasts go away for hockey.
The school loses site of the bigger picture. Anything they do which limits fans access just means less people down the road who care. Attendance is dropping off as it is.
If they think streaming fills that hole in coverage, they don't really understand the void that it fills.
Understandable that WVBR wouldn't be a part of the university - don't want to be under its thumb, especially now - but also a bummer that it wouldn't get preferential treatment as a part of the larger university community.
Some of the most enjoyable and entertaining Cornell sports talk I have ever heard took place on WHCU during the Ohio State and Rutgers NCAA lacrosse tournament weather delays in 2022.
This is most unfortunate. Over the last few years, regardless of where we traveling, we could always stream WHCU. Not so with ESPN+ and predecessor TV streaming services. We've listened to games while in China, all through Asia, and on various oceans while on cruises.
And while driving to and from games, being able to listen to the pre and post game commentary, coaches interviews, postgame analysis, and the "three stars" all on the radio was wonderful.
Very sorry to see it go.
mostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
Quote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
There are lots of places where driving I could reliably get the hcu stream but the ESPN plus with video was just too much for the cell service.
Quote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country
vpn doesnt really fix the issue. the app cant beat vpn most of the time if they dont want it too
Quote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
if i lived overseas i would hate this but i can't believe you really think cornell would consider this a material deficiency
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country
Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?
Quote from: martyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country
Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?
Please post the answer here. The rest of us may also want to watch ESPN while we're out of the country. (I'm sure ESPN already knows. So you won't be revealing state secrets.)
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: martyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country
Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?
Please post the answer here. The rest of us may also want to watch ESPN while we're out of the country. (I'm sure ESPN already knows. So you won't be revealing state secrets.)
Unless ESPN doesn't know and their webcrawler/AI gizmo reads this. Some crack coder might shut down this method.
It's more that you are not supposed to compromise this site by posting info like that. It is easy enough to PM.
Quote from: martyQuote from: SwampyQuote from: martyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country
Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?
Please post the answer here. The rest of us may also want to watch ESPN while we're out of the country. (I'm sure ESPN already knows. So you won't be revealing state secrets.)
Unless ESPN doesn't know and their webcrawler/AI gizmo reads this. Some crack coder might shut down this method.
No offense to Iceberg but Iceberg does not have intel on VPNs that the dedicated IP-enforcement squad at Disney does not. Whatever Iceberg is watching through, Disney has a team of engineers trying to neutralize like a swarm of white blood cells.
its trivial for most of the apps to defeat a vpn. very little you can do about it. its why you cant really beat the gambling sites because they actually do enforce the rules.
Quote from: martyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country
Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?
When I lived in SE Asia, there was a service called ESPN Player that was a perfectly approved way to be able to Pay The Mouse to get what I wanted abroad, but it appears they shut that down in 2023.
https://whatsondisneyplus.com/disney-to-close-espn-player-across-europe-middle-east-africa/
With many rumors about ESPN launching a new gigantic streaming-only product, I'm hopeful that there will be international access.
The end of WHCU broadcasts saddens me greatly, but I can't say it wasn't expected. Having two home broadcast teams was pretty out-of-the-ordinary. I really enjoyed listening to Jason over the years and it was the only reason I ever used a radio app. I wish there's a way to retain him and Grady somehow.
My other wish is for there being a way to just have an audio-only stream in the app for Car use like MLB has.
My third wish is for infinite wishes.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: martyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country
Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?
When I lived in SE Asia, there was a service called ESPN Player that was a perfectly approved way to be able to Pay The Mouse to get what I wanted abroad, but it appears they shut that down in 2023.
https://whatsondisneyplus.com/disney-to-close-espn-player-across-europe-middle-east-africa/
With many rumors about ESPN launching a new gigantic streaming-only product, I'm hopeful that there will be international access.
The end of WHCU broadcasts saddens me greatly, but I can't say it wasn't expected. Having two home broadcast teams was pretty out-of-the-ordinary. I really enjoyed listening to Jason over the years and it was the only reason I ever used a radio app. I wish there's a way to retain him and Grady somehow.
My other wish is for there being a way to just have an audio-only stream in the app for Car use like MLB has.
My third wish is for infinite wishes.
I wonder how much bandwidth is wasted by people streaming video broadcasts while driving because there is no audio-only option. The Sky Sports cricket broadcasts I get on Willow are great if you're watching them, but often the commentators are silent for several balls, or only react to things rather than describing them. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the BBC's Test Match Special audio outside the UK any more.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: RichHQuote from: martyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckmostly you cant stream espn+ over seas. I'm sure Cornell knows that....
That's what a good VPN is for. I watched both NCAA regional games from Europe this year. And usually, some games fall on dates when I'm on inevitably on vacation or a work trip out of the country
Since most of us apparently pay for bad VPN's I'm curious which VPN can fool ESPN+. Could you please PM me to tell me which VPN you used and which device and OS this worked on?
When I lived in SE Asia, there was a service called ESPN Player that was a perfectly approved way to be able to Pay The Mouse to get what I wanted abroad, but it appears they shut that down in 2023.
https://whatsondisneyplus.com/disney-to-close-espn-player-across-europe-middle-east-africa/
With many rumors about ESPN launching a new gigantic streaming-only product, I'm hopeful that there will be international access.
The end of WHCU broadcasts saddens me greatly, but I can't say it wasn't expected. Having two home broadcast teams was pretty out-of-the-ordinary. I really enjoyed listening to Jason over the years and it was the only reason I ever used a radio app. I wish there's a way to retain him and Grady somehow.
My other wish is for there being a way to just have an audio-only stream in the app for Car use like MLB has.
My third wish is for infinite wishes.
I wonder how much bandwidth is wasted by people streaming video broadcasts while driving because there is no audio-only option. The Sky Sports cricket broadcasts I get on Willow are great if you're watching them, but often the commentators are silent for several balls, or only react to things rather than describing them. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the BBC's Test Match Special audio outside the UK any more.
Your carbon footprint is showing.
Quote from: upprdeckits trivial for most of the apps to defeat a vpn. very little you can do about it. its why you cant really beat the gambling sites because they actually do enforce the rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhCL5Ygzc24&list=RDKhCL5Ygzc24&start_radio=1&ab_channel=StephanieD%27Abruzzo-Topic
Quote from: RichHThe end of WHCU broadcasts saddens me greatly, but I can't say it wasn't expected. Having two home broadcast teams was pretty out-of-the-ordinary. I really enjoyed listening to Jason over the years and it was the only reason I ever used a radio app. I wish there's a way to retain him and Grady somehow.
My other wish is for there being a way to just have an audio-only stream in the app for Car use like MLB has.
My third wish is for infinite wishes.
+1
Just posted on Facebook a few minutes ago.
Quote from: ACMJust posted on Facebook a few minutes ago.
That sucks, I loved those guys. Hope they know that us fans will miss them. Wonder what going in a different direction means. Student broadcasters?
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: ACMJust posted on Facebook a few minutes ago.
That sucks, I loved those guys. Hope they know that us fans will miss them. Wonder what going in a different direction means. Student broadcasters?
Well, Jason is suddenly available...
Jason would make sense, therefore....
No offense to chimpfood and other students but student announcers would be a big step down, judging from what I've seen on other schools' broadcasts. Doesn't ESPN get a say here? Wouldn't they want to hire a professional?
Grady and Tim were good announcers. Sometimes I wished they stuck to the action more and were more polished, but I liked them. Hopefully Jason gets the job. I can't imagine the job pays much at all, so I don't understand the "cost cutting" rationale.
Quote from: arugulaJason would make sense, therefore....
Yeah, that's how I took it. I hope I am wrong and it is Jason but any time Bristol is involved along the yapping pipeline I expect the greatest incompetence delivered with the loudest fanfare. Good thing Joe Morgan's dead.
Quote from: BearLoverNo offense to chimpfood and other students but student announcers would be a big step down, judging from what I've seen on other schools' broadcasts. Doesn't ESPN get a say here? Wouldn't they want to hire a professional?
Grady and Tim were good announcers. Sometimes I wished they stuck to the action more and were more polished, but I liked them. Hopefully Jason gets the job. I can't imagine the job pays much at all, so I don't understand the "cost cutting" rationale.
Agreed, not in favor of student announcers, just wondering what the new plan might be.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaJason would make sense, therefore....
Yeah, that's how I took it. I hope I am wrong and it is Jason but any time Bristol is involved along the yapping pipeline I expect the greatest incompetence delivered with the loudest fanfare. Good thing Joe Morgan's dead.
Coming this fall, Cornell hockey with John Buccigross and Barry Melrose!
The way Cornell is going now they have a plan to let AI watch the game and tell the story.
Grady and Tim were a nice team, but if they bring back Jason I'd be pleased.
Quote from: upprdeckThe way Cornell is going now they have a plan to let AI watch the game and tell the story.
I nearly snarked this as well.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaJason would make sense, therefore....
Yeah, that's how I took it. I hope I am wrong and it is Jason but any time Bristol is involved along the yapping pipeline I expect the greatest incompetence delivered with the loudest fanfare. Good thing Joe Morgan's dead.
Coming this fall, Cornell hockey with John Buccigross and Barry Melrose!
Hold out for Mike Milbury.
The answer is going to be regional freelancers rather than employees on anyone's payroll.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaJason would make sense, therefore....
Yeah, that's how I took it. I hope I am wrong and it is Jason but any time Bristol is involved along the yapping pipeline I expect the greatest incompetence delivered with the loudest fanfare. Good thing Joe Morgan's dead.
+1
Quote from: ugarteThe answer is going to be regional freelancers rather than employees on anyone's payroll.
If that's the case, Grady is a regional freelancer.
Anyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
Quote from: ugarteThe answer is going to be regional freelancers rather than employees on anyone's payroll.
Play-by-Playmates?
Quote from: RichHMy third wish is for infinite wishes.
What about the crap about the kids?
Quote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: RichHMy third wish is for infinite wishes.
What about the crap about the kids?
OK, so we regroup: first the sex thing, then the power, then the money, THEN the kids....ooooh wait I forgot about revenge against my enemies
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: RichHMy third wish is for infinite wishes.
What about the crap about the kids?
OK, so we regroup: first the sex thing, then the power, then the money....ooooh wait I forgot about revenge against my enemies
Run for president!
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: RichHQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: RichHMy third wish is for infinite wishes.
What about the crap about the kids?
OK, so we regroup: first the sex thing, then the power, then the money....ooooh wait I forgot about revenge against my enemies
Run for president!
I mean, rewatching the Steve Martin bit, it's hard to view it in this current reality.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
I remember when buccigross basically installed himself as the pope of college hockey. We were doomed from that point on.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
I remember when buccigross basically installed himself as the pope of college hockey. We were doomed from that point on.
As my BU friend calls him, sex pest Buccigross? That Buccigross?
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
I would prefer announcers with a long history in college hockey all else being equal, but I still don't understand what you're seeing from weekly ECAC color commentators that's preferable to what someone like Pierre would provide. When Pierre commentated the Lake Placid the last few seasons, I noticed far more polish and in-depth analysis than I have heard from any regular ECAC announcer.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: RichHMy third wish is for infinite wishes.
What about the crap about the kids?
OK, so we regroup: first the sex thing, then the power, then the money, THEN the kids....ooooh wait I forgot about revenge against my enemies
Fear, surprise, a ruthless efficicency, an almost fanatical devotion to the pope, and these cute little red uniforms...OH BUGGER!
Background (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8n4MfhjUc&ab_channel=turbosoy) for the keeeds.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
It's worse than that. No one who does the NCAA games is part of NHL crews, except Buccigross - and that's just to throw him a bone, since he's mainly a studio guy. The other Regional crews are typically not even hockey broadcasters for most of the year.
BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.
This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.
I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?
::panic::
I think the big loss is that without the radio crew you most likely lose the pre-post game stuff. Most of that is not provided on ESPN+ feeds.
Quote from: martyQuote from: adamwQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.
This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.
I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?
::panic::
There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.
It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: martyQuote from: adamwQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.
This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.
I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?
::panic::
There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.
It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.
I realized after I read your post that RPI has a student broadcast on WRPI along with the ESPN+ stream. I don't think Union has a real radio broadcast. Perhaps they have a local campus only AM only station, but the very weak 1240 AM, if it exists, doesn't reach my house east of Troy. I could pick it up a few years ago.
Quote from: martyQuote from: adamwQuote from: martyQuote from: adamwQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.
This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.
I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?
::panic::
There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.
It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.
I realized after I read your post that RPI has a student broadcast on WRPI along with the ESPN+ stream. I don't think Union has a real radio broadcast. Perhaps they have a local campus only AM only station, but the very weak 1240 AM, if it exists, doesn't reach my house east of Troy. I could pick it up a few years ago.
WRPI is indeed a student station, and years ago the hockey announcers were all students, however now there is little student interest in being announcers and most are alums.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: martyQuote from: adamwQuote from: martyQuote from: adamwQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.
This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.
I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?
::panic::
There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.
It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.
I realized after I read your post that RPI has a student broadcast on WRPI along with the ESPN+ stream. I don't think Union has a real radio broadcast. Perhaps they have a local campus only AM only station, but the very weak 1240 AM, if it exists, doesn't reach my house east of Troy. I could pick it up a few years ago.
WRPI is indeed a student station, and years ago the hockey announcers were all students, however now there is little student interest in being announcers and most are alums.
One of my not so close friends flunked out of Cornell -
twice - because of all the time he spent at WVBR. Then about 20 years ago I saw his name in some sort of radio almanac. I hope he had a decent career.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: martyQuote from: adamwQuote from: martyQuote from: adamwQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
I don't really get where this is coming from. Pierre was on the #1 NHL commentary team for a long time and would be a big upgrade over anyone who has ever announced Cornell hockey games.
Back before 2010 or so, TV broadcasts of the NCAA Regionals and even the Frozen Four were commentated by people with a long history in college hockey broadcasting, including goofy but lovable color commentators like Bob Norton, Doug Woog and Cap Raeder. Then ESPN dug its tendrils into the enterprise and replaced them with their standard NHL crews. Something was lost then, and I'd rather not see a similar thing happen to the regular season streams.
BTW - ESPN has absolutely nothing to do with these Cornell broadcasts or any of the other college broadcasts. They just "air" them.
This of course makes sense. Is there a grid regarding how many schools were running two crews - one audio only and one for the ESPN+ feed? I'm such a one trick Big Red fan that I don't even know if Cornell football had away game coverage on HCU.
I'm expecting that the change means we will lose all away game coverage - sad if true. Will there be no "Voice of the Big Red" when the teams visits Troy and Schenectady or make post season away game appearances?
::panic::
There may be a couple in Hockey East running two crews. Nowhere else that's part of the ESPN+ platform. I think Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Union have pro radio still (maybe not by now, not sure), and all simulcast to the stream.
It is 100% an unfortunate by-product of this that road coverage with Cornell broadcasters is gone, and pre and post-game ... though the pre/post could still theoretically be done, and that would be a good addition, really, given what happened. I know Clarkson has a post-game coach interview on its ESPN+ feed.
I realized after I read your post that RPI has a student broadcast on WRPI along with the ESPN+ stream. I don't think Union has a real radio broadcast. Perhaps they have a local campus only AM only station, but the very weak 1240 AM, if it exists, doesn't reach my house east of Troy. I could pick it up a few years ago.
WRPI is indeed a student station, and years ago the hockey announcers were all students, however now there is little student interest in being announcers and most are alums.
I presume Jason Moy is long gone?
Quote from: jtwcornell91I presume Jason Moy is long gone?
Last hockey content from him (uscho) is in 2023. In 2024, he was hired by someone in the semiconductor industry.
https://smttoday.com/2024/06/17/kyzen-introduces-jayson-moy-as-product-line-director/
Quote from: RichHQuote from: jtwcornell91I presume Jason Moy is long gone?
Last hockey content from him (uscho) is in 2023. In 2024, he was hired by someone in the semiconductor industry.
https://smttoday.com/2024/06/17/kyzen-introduces-jayson-moy-as-product-line-director/
His partner at WRPI, Kurt Stutt, still does RPI football. As best I can recall Kurt's last hockey game was an away game several years ago.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: RichHQuote from: jtwcornell91I presume Jason Moy is long gone?
Last hockey content from him (uscho) is in 2023. In 2024, he was hired by someone in the semiconductor industry.
https://smttoday.com/2024/06/17/kyzen-introduces-jayson-moy-as-product-line-director/
His partner at WRPI, Kurt Stutt, still does RPI football. As best I can recall Kurt's last hockey game was an away game several years ago.
And Kurt seems to run an erzatz TBRW. (https://sports-chronicles.com/rpih/)
Jayson has lived in Singapore for like 20 years - at least last I knew.
Quote from: adamwJayson has lived in Singapore for like 20 years - at least last I knew.
Hmm. Have he and Curtis Yarvin ever been seen in the same place at the same time.
Cornell Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/08/cornell-athletics-cuts-ties-with-longtime-men-s-hockey-broadcast-partner-whcu-undergoes-changes-to-espn-broadcasts) Fun fact: Cornell owned WHCU until 1985.
Jane McNally on the issue for the Sun: https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/08/cornell-athletics-cuts-ties-with-longtime-men-s-hockey-broadcast-partner-whcu-undergoes-changes-to-espn-broadcasts?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwMDDslleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHlsqIJafAGFgS51FcLmsMW1-nm_V_Qo2WK_dhqegilJjvwX_15O2Yrmp4oZK_aem_krziAIDNU5pmopGkXQ9uKA
Maybe Gary Thorne would do the play-by-play now that Gio is enrolling.
Quote from: TrotskyGrady is outstanding.
"No doubt about it"
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyGrady is outstanding.
"No doubt about it"
No
question about it.
I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.
Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyGrady is outstanding.
"No doubt about it"
No question about it.
I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.
Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.
But RC Holmes will surely continue to jump up to get that ball.
Before streaming took off I often used to set up a loop antenna in an attempt to listen to HCU at home. The results were iffy as was tuning it in on a car radio. (The TEF6686 chip found in many car radios is a great performer on both FM and AM. Only a few portable radios use this chip and that has only been for the last year or so.)
I'm just east of Troy, NY. For the past 2 years or so the AM signal rarely made it this far at night.
I think that HCU has either stopped properly maintaining their transmitter or made a cost saving mod that cut the power a bit.
Audio streaming of the games was a wonderful thing. I hope ESPN will grant us an audio only option but I'm not optimistic.
I havent been able to get the WHCU signal 20 min from campus for years
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: RichHQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyGrady is outstanding.
"No doubt about it"
No question about it.
I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.
Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.
But RC Holmes will surely continue to jump up to get that ball.
I remain in widow's weeds for The Country Couple, at Triphammer Mall.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyGrady is outstanding.
"No doubt about it"
No question about it.
I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.
Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.
Aw.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: RichHQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyGrady is outstanding.
"No doubt about it"
No question about it.
I just realized that this also means the end of our favorite local ads.
Pour one out for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.
Aw.
Suds I won't drink. Smells like a citrus concoction.
Quote from: upprdeckI havent been able to get the WHCU signal 20 min from campus for years
Interestingly I've occasionally picked it up in Hamilton as I left the Colgate game. Unfortunately as I left toward Syracuse, I lost it.
The furthest away that I've listened to a WHCU broadcast was 1968 in Cambridge, MA for the NCAAs.
I've told this story before, but to do it again.
If my memory hasn't gone too far, my source in Ithaca was George64. I called him and he put his phone down so it would pick up the radio feed. I had my phone wired to my Stereo. So we broadcast it to a group at the apartment. Back then the phone charges for non-local calls, Long Distance for old timers, wasn't cheap. So I think we disconnected for intermission.
Today is so much nicer, but I still like radio. I have the radio frequency for each ECAC school's broadcast in my phone, so I could listen, particularly when leaving away games. That could be fun when we won.
I've occasionally picked up HCU on my car radio from Allentown.
It needs to be unusual atmospheric conditions and just before sundown. During the middle of the day it won't carry, and after dark it gets covered up by a high-powered station from New Orleans.
Quote from: Jim HylaIf my memory hasn't gone too far, my source in Ithaca was George64. I called him and he put his phone down so it would pick up the radio feed. I had my phone wired to my Stereo. So we broadcast it to a group at the apartment. Back then the phone charges for non-local calls, Long Distance for old timers, wasn't cheap. So I think we disconnected for intermission.
So you guys invented Teamline (?) before it was a thing. (Am I remembering that right, that in the 90s there was a phone number you could call to listen to some college hockey broadcasts?)
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: upprdeckI havent been able to get the WHCU signal 20 min from campus for years
Interestingly I've occasionally picked it up in Hamilton as I left the Colgate game. Unfortunately as I left toward Syracuse, I lost it.
The furthest away that I've listened to a WHCU broadcast was 1968 in Cambridge, MA for the NCAAs.
I've told this story before, but to do it again.
If my memory hasn't gone too far, my source in Ithaca was George64. I called him and he put his phone down so it would pick up the radio feed. I had my phone wired to my Stereo. So we broadcast it to a group at the apartment. Back then the phone charges for non-local calls, Long Distance for old timers, wasn't cheap. So I think we disconnected for intermission.
Today is so much nicer, but I still like radio. I have the radio frequency for each ECAC school's broadcast in my phone, so I could listen, particularly when leaving away games. That could be fun when we won.
it doesnt help that there is no cell phone once you get past the airport most of the time either.
Quote from: jtwcornell91(Am I remembering that right, that in the 90s there was a phone number you could call to listen to some college hockey broadcasts?)
I believe that you could call in for the Cornell lacrosse games as well
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I've occasionally picked up HCU on my car radio from Allentown.
It needs to be unusual atmospheric conditions and just before sundown. During the middle of the day it won't carry, and after dark it gets covered up by a high-powered station from New Orleans.
I've picked it up heading north on 91 through Vermont on ski trips. Faded in on the uphill, out on the downhill, but you could definitely follow most of the games.
This change is another loss.
Quote from: upprdeckI havent been able to get the WHCU signal 20 min from campus for years
Certainly a directional transmitter. When I lived in Rochester, I could pick it up in Victor after sunset, but during my time in Corning, driving in from the South on 13 I couldn't pull it in at Alpine Junction just 20 miles away.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Am I remembering that right, that in the 90s there was a phone number you could call to listen to some college hockey broadcasts?
You are correct. It was terrible quality and rife with problems and we ate it and we liked it!
Relative Deprivation Theory wins again.
December 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.
Quote from: SwampyDecember 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.
I picked up the tail-end of the UK radio broadcast sitting in my Buick in a parking lot in Yorktown Heights, NY. Announcers were in disbelief.
Quote from: SwampyDecember 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.
I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDecember 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.
I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.
That would be WOWO in Ft. Wayne.
I used to be really into listening to distant AM stations as a teenager.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDecember 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.
I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.
That would be WOWO in Ft. Wayne.
I used to be really into listening to distant AM stations as a teenager.
Me too. It was the strongest AM radio station in the US for a while. They claimed it could be heard in Europe.
Most long range AM signal came in as a sinusoidal whine, but it was clear as a bell, strong, and constant. And it had hockey.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDecember 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.
I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.
That would be WOWO in Ft. Wayne.
I used to be really into listening to distant AM stations as a teenager.
Me too. It was the strongest AM radio station in the US for a while. They claimed it could be heard in Europe.
Most long range AM signal came in as a sinusoidal whine, but it was clear as a bell, strong, and constant. And it had hockey.
Yeah, those were the days. Bun now we have to keep the airwaves clear, just in case someone jaywalks in Berkeley and we have to fly in the marines to restore law & order.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDecember 28, 1966 I was driving, either to NYC or Boston, and, in the middle of nowhere, heard that Cornell had beaten Kentucky in basketball. (They only started to call it "men's basketball" years later.) I thought I had entered the twilight zone and almost ran off the road. It probably was WHCU.
I had a similar experience in 81 or 82 driving through some awful NJ hinterland and hearing Lance Nethery on a vague AM signal lighting it up via the clear channel voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, Bob Chase.
That would be WOWO in Ft. Wayne.
I used to be really into listening to distant AM stations as a teenager.
Me too. It was the strongest AM radio station in the US for a while. They claimed it could be heard in Europe.
Most long range AM signal came in as a sinusoidal whine, but it was clear as a bell, strong, and constant. And it had hockey.
I actually became aware of hockey because of a clear channel station - WBZ in Boston. In the evenings, they had a call in program that often went off the rails. That was fun to listen to. But occasionally, they had the Bruins game on. So occasionally I listened to that instead.
I discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s. Boston and Baltimore were easy, Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago were more challenging, mostly because there was so much NYC argle bargle in the way. I picked up Texas and KC broadcasts one time each -- no idea if there were origination or from repeaters.
OTOH it was absolutely no problem to get Cardinals games as long as it was late enough at night. They had a transmitter in every major city from Louisville to Oklahoma City and nothing stopping the signal.
Also eavesdropped on enough town meeting / fundy / John Birch fuckwittery that today's fasc seen tame. The Right isn't calling directly for lynchings anymore*, just hinting.
* At least for now.
Quote from: TrotskyI discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s.
Wow, they were NOT good at all back then. And I'll bet you didn't have much company rooting for the Ms on Long Island.
Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: TrotskyI discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s.
Wow, they were NOT good at all back then. And I'll bet you didn't have much company rooting for the Ms on Long Island.
it's ok he was able to enjoy baseball by rooting for the mets as well *touches earpiece*
Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: TrotskyI discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s.
Wow, they were NOT good at all back then. And I'll bet you didn't have much company rooting for the Ms on Long Island.
I wanted to root for a team right from their start, so I adopted the Mariners and Seahawks.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82Quote from: TrotskyI discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s.
Wow, they were NOT good at all back then. And I'll bet you didn't have much company rooting for the Ms on Long Island.
it's ok he was able to enjoy baseball by rooting for the mets as well *touches earpiece*
TBH the Mariners have been the perfect pairing with the Mets.
This is why I will never, ever, ever be down on Cornell hockey. "Fire? I was born of this."
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82Quote from: TrotskyI discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s.
Wow, they were NOT good at all back then. And I'll bet you didn't have much company rooting for the Ms on Long Island.
it's ok he was able to enjoy baseball by rooting for the mets as well *touches earpiece*
TBH the Mariners have been the perfect pairing with the Mets.
This is why I will never, ever, ever be down on Cornell hockey. "Fire? I was born of this."
The Mets can't kill me because I'm already dead.
In his house at Shea, Seaver waits dreaming.
Quote from: TrotskyIn his house at Shea, Seaver waits dreaming.
Appropriate. If the Mets rise, it would be a horror.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82Quote from: TrotskyI discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s.
Wow, they were NOT good at all back then. And I'll bet you didn't have much company rooting for the Ms on Long Island.
it's ok he was able to enjoy baseball by rooting for the mets as well *touches earpiece*
TBH the Mariners have been the perfect pairing with the Mets.
This is why I will never, ever, ever be down on Cornell hockey. "Fire? I was born of this."
Yeah, my wife and sons love to watch me suffer endlessly with the yearly disappointment by the Mariners.
Quote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82Quote from: TrotskyI discovered long range AM by growing up a Mariners fan on Long Island in the mid-late 70s.
Wow, they were NOT good at all back then. And I'll bet you didn't have much company rooting for the Ms on Long Island.
it's ok he was able to enjoy baseball by rooting for the mets as well *touches earpiece*
TBH the Mariners have been the perfect pairing with the Mets.
This is why I will never, ever, ever be down on Cornell hockey. "Fire? I was born of this."
Yeah, my wife and sons love to watch me suffer endlessly with the yearly disappointment by the Mariners.
Rest in power, my brother.
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
From Jane M.
NEWS: Cornell Athletics has confirmed to @cornellsun
the following updates to Cornell hockey broadcasts: Jason Weinstein (prev. WHCU) will do play-by-play for men's & women's ESPN +broadcasts. Tony Eisenhut will join as color for men's broadcasts; women's color commentator TBD.
https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1966202086800101720
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
McGuire has National Hockey Media Syndrome: the affectation that college hockey is an "appetizer" to the NHL, driven in turn by Sports Insecurity Syndrome, the desperation of many sports media types to be taken seriously despite their existential vacuity.
A few national college hockey media figures escape this, like Buccigross and the USCHO and CHN folks. But pretty much everybody on the national Derp Circuit has it bad and that aint good.
Quote from: jts15From Jane M.
NEWS: Cornell Athletics has confirmed to @cornellsun
the following updates to Cornell hockey broadcasts: Jason Weinstein (prev. WHCU) will do play-by-play for men's & women's ESPN +broadcasts. Tony Eisenhut will join as color for men's broadcasts; women's color commentator TBD.
https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1966202086800101720
Well that's interesting. Jason was pretty good back when he did the webcasts (was that like ten years ago?). Hopefully he says "through the screen" less now (he used to say it on like half of the shots on net). Did the decisionmakers at Cornell prefer Jason and Tony to Grady and Tim? Who
are the decisionmakers, anyway?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
McGuire has National Hockey Media Syndrome: the affectation that college hockey is an "appetizer" to the NHL, driven in turn by Sports Insecurity Syndrome, the desperation of many sports media types to be taken seriously despite their existential vacuity.
A few national national hockey media figures escape this, like Buccigross and the USCHO and CHN folks. But pretty much everybody on the national Derp Circuit has it bad and that aint good.
I actually think Buccigross is the single biggest offender. A huge portion of his announcing and broader college hockey coverage is in reference to the NHL.
I really like Grady and of course will always love Tim. But if we had to pick survivors I am glad to go with Jason and Tony, partly on merit* and partly as a reward for grinding with us forever.
* Tony is truly a gem IMO. Much like Johnny Pierson, the Bruins' intermission analyst from bygone days, he is able to pick up on extremely subtle things during play and often has insightful commentary. Tim is a joy but he is kind of like Ron Darling: adorable but there for the feels, not his acumen.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
McGuire has National Hockey Media Syndrome: the affectation that college hockey is an "appetizer" to the NHL, driven in turn by Sports Insecurity Syndrome, the desperation of many sports media types to be taken seriously despite their existential vacuity. He has such hyper-specific pre-college knowledge it's actually become a joke. May be retired by now. Or dead.
A few national national hockey media figures escape this, like Buccigross and the USCHO and CHN folks. But pretty much everybody on the national Derp Circuit has it bad and that aint good.
I actually think Buccigross is the single biggest offender. A huge portion of his announcing and broader college hockey coverage is in reference to the NHL.
I might be confused -- who is the guy who famously can rattle off where every New England player went to prep school, who his coach was, and then who went there 20 / 40 / 60 years
before ?
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
phew.... Good job outta da Pens, Doc.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
Of course he's not worse. Most of the ECAC announcers are rank amateurs. I just don't like McGuire. We've been extraordinarily lucky to have real pros
Quote from: TrotskyI really like Grady and of course will always love Tim. But if we had to pick survivors I am glad to go with Jason and Tony, partly on merit* and partly as a reward for grinding with us forever.
* Tony is truly a gem IMO. Much like Johnny Pierson, the Bruins' intermission analyst from bygone days, he is able to pick up on extremely subtle things during play and often has insightful commentary. Tim is a joy but he is kind of like Ron Darling: adorable but there for the feels, not his acumen.
Agree
Quote from: arugulaMost of the ECAC announcers are rank amateurs.
It has gotten a lot better. 20 years ago at least half were students. Including that one Yale girl who... well...
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaMost of the ECAC announcers are rank amateurs.
It has gotten a lot better. 20 years ago at least half were students. Including that one Yale girl who... well...
True. I'd almost rather have students because they are either embarrassing but entertaining or diamonds in the rough. I recall WHRB pbp student who was terrific.
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The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
McGuire has National Hockey Media Syndrome: the affectation that college hockey is an "appetizer" to the NHL, driven in turn by Sports Insecurity Syndrome, the desperation of many sports media types to be taken seriously despite their existential vacuity. He has such hyper-specific pre-college knowledge it's actually become a joke. May be retired by now. Or dead.
A few national national hockey media figures escape this, like Buccigross and the USCHO and CHN folks. But pretty much everybody on the national Derp Circuit has it bad and that aint good.
I actually think Buccigross is the single biggest offender. A huge portion of his announcing and broader college hockey coverage is in reference to the NHL.
I might be confused -- who is the guy who famously can rattle off where every New England player went to prep school, who his coach was, and then who went there 20 / 40 / 60 years before ?
This probably isn't who you meant, but Pierre McGuire does this...I also don't think Pierre has what you call "National Hockey Media Syndrome." I'm really not even a big Pierre McGuire fan or anything, I just think he is clearly a step up from local announcers and it would be kind of amazing if somehow he became our everyday announcer. Which isn't happening because he was just hired by an NHL team...
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaMost of the ECAC announcers are rank amateurs.
It has gotten a lot better. 20 years ago at least half were students. Including that one Yale girl who... well...
True. I'd almost rather have students because they are either embarrassing but entertaining or diamonds in the rough. I recall WHRB pbp student who was terrific.
Harvard and RPI both had phenomenally good students. And RPI famously had such outstanding technical chops back when games were first starting to stream they were superior to 95% of pro outlets. I was always peeved they ate our lunch completely on that. Just grab some kids from IC FFS.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
Of course he's not worse. Most of the ECAC announcers are rank amateurs. I just don't like McGuire. We've been extraordinarily lucky to have real pros
I'm not trying to diss people but Pierre would be a step up from the announcers Cornell has had since I've been following. He's been in the game his whole career and is just so much more polished.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
McGuire has National Hockey Media Syndrome: the affectation that college hockey is an "appetizer" to the NHL, driven in turn by Sports Insecurity Syndrome, the desperation of many sports media types to be taken seriously despite their existential vacuity. He has such hyper-specific pre-college knowledge it's actually become a joke. May be retired by now. Or dead.
A few national national hockey media figures escape this, like Buccigross and the USCHO and CHN folks. But pretty much everybody on the national Derp Circuit has it bad and that aint good.
I actually think Buccigross is the single biggest offender. A huge portion of his announcing and broader college hockey coverage is in reference to the NHL.
I might be confused -- who is the guy who famously can rattle off where every New England player went to prep school, who his coach was, and then who went there 20 / 40 / 60 years before ?
This probably isn't who you meant, but Pierre McGuire does this...I also don't think Pierre has what you call "National Hockey Media Syndrome." I'm really not even a big Pierre McGuire fan or anything, I just think he is clearly a step up from local announcers and it would be kind of amazing if somehow he became our everyday announcer. Which isn't happening because he was just hired by an NHL team...
I really want guys with local connections to be our announcers. The pros are Whore Time. College should be Local Kid Makes Good Time.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
McGuire has National Hockey Media Syndrome: the affectation that college hockey is an "appetizer" to the NHL, driven in turn by Sports Insecurity Syndrome, the desperation of many sports media types to be taken seriously despite their existential vacuity. He has such hyper-specific pre-college knowledge it's actually become a joke. May be retired by now. Or dead.
A few national national hockey media figures escape this, like Buccigross and the USCHO and CHN folks. But pretty much everybody on the national Derp Circuit has it bad and that aint good.
I actually think Buccigross is the single biggest offender. A huge portion of his announcing and broader college hockey coverage is in reference to the NHL.
I might be confused -- who is the guy who famously can rattle off where every New England player went to prep school, who his coach was, and then who went there 20 / 40 / 60 years before ?
I hear New England prep school and immediately flash to Bob Norton.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: arugulaAnyone so long as Pierre McGuire is not involved
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/09/10/nhl-penguins-radio-pierre-mcguire/stories/202509100079
The notion that Pierre McGuire is worse than the local ECAC announcers was certainly one of the crazier views expressed on this forum lately
McGuire has National Hockey Media Syndrome: the affectation that college hockey is an "appetizer" to the NHL, driven in turn by Sports Insecurity Syndrome, the desperation of many sports media types to be taken seriously despite their existential vacuity. He has such hyper-specific pre-college knowledge it's actually become a joke. May be retired by now. Or dead.
A few national national hockey media figures escape this, like Buccigross and the USCHO and CHN folks. But pretty much everybody on the national Derp Circuit has it bad and that aint good.
I actually think Buccigross is the single biggest offender. A huge portion of his announcing and broader college hockey coverage is in reference to the NHL.
I might be confused -- who is the guy who famously can rattle off where every New England player went to prep school, who his coach was, and then who went there 20 / 40 / 60 years before ?
I hear New England prep school and immediately flash to Bob Norton.
That's who I was thinking of! Thank you!
Quote from: TrotskyI am glad to go with Jason and Tony, partly on merit* and partly as a reward for grinding with us forever.
They'll have to do a post game show because I don't think it's fair to ask Tony to jam in his THREE STARS with the way the show typically goes off the air. Especially if there are four or five THREE STARS
Quote from: TrotskyI really want guys with local connections to be our announcers. The pros are Whore Time. College should be Local Kid Makes Good Time.
I miss Sam Woodside!
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyI really want guys with local connections to be our announcers. The pros are Whore Time. College should be Local Kid Makes Good Time.
I miss Sam Woodside!
Was Sam before Grady before Adam before Jason?
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyI really want guys with local connections to be our announcers. The pros are Whore Time. College should be Local Kid Makes Good Time.
I miss Sam Woodside!
I'll always remember the football game in Hanover when Sam said Dartmouth was in dark green and Cornell in dark white.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyI really want guys with local connections to be our announcers. The pros are Whore Time. College should be Local Kid Makes Good Time.
I miss Sam Woodside!
I'll always remember the football game in Hanover when Sam said Dartmouth was in dark green and Cornell in dark white.
He was a visionary (https://www.livingetc.com/news/dark-white-trend).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyI really want guys with local connections to be our announcers. The pros are Whore Time. College should be Local Kid Makes Good Time.
I miss Sam Woodside!
Was Sam before Grady before Adam before Jason?
I grew up listening to Sam Woodside call Cornell hockey, football, and basketball games in the 50's and 60's.
Arthur remembered him in this post (https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,96050) from 2006.
A few other links: Cornell Sun on his retirement (https://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/?a=d&d=CDS19710430.2.48.2&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------)
Corenll Athletics Hall of Fame (https://cornellbigred.com/honors/hall-of-fame/samuel-woodside/256)
So if Sam retired in 1971 we have between then and 89 when Grady started unaccounted for. I know Arthur was color for a while, but IINM not PBP.
Aha, quoting Arthur fronm 2006:
QuoteIn the thread announcing Tom Joseph's passing, Bill Howard suggested:
[q]Some time it would be fun (well, a little) to recall all the Cornell sports announcers and where they've gone on to. It would be boring as hell for eLynah denizens who thank Adam Wodon is an old-timer.[/q]
Here's what I remember ...
I arrived at Cornell as a freshman in the fall of 1967. Sam Woodside announced Cornell hockey (and most other Cornell sports) on WHCU. Sam was occasionally assisted by his son Jim Woodside, but for the most part he did the broadcasts by himself.
Sam retired in the early 1970's, and was succeeded by Jay Levine, who broadcast games for a year, or two at the most. After Jay came Roy Ives, with Tom Joseph as his sidekick.
After the 1980 ECAC championship / NCAA "frozen four" season, Roy left briefly to broadcast minor league hockey, but that didn't work out, and he returned to Ithaca. WHCU hired Chris Moore, a recent Ithaca College graduate, to handle Cornell hockey in Ives' absence. Moore worked first with someone from WVBR (Pat somebody, whose name escapes me now ... sorry, it's been a long time), and when that didn't work out, with the sports columnist from the Ithaca Times, Arthur somebody ... the name's right on the tip of my tongue). More than a thousand people petitioned WHCU to restore Roy Ives to the broadcasts. Playoff games weren't beholden to WHCU's in-season contracts, and the 1981 playoffs featured competing broadcasts between Moore's WHCU team and Ives on WTKO.
Moore continued to broadcast on WHCU through 1984, with first Howie Borkan and then Kurt Smutko as color commentators. Moore left after the 1984 season for Wisconsin, and eventually the Florida Panthers of the NHL and WFAN in New York). Jim Lester succeeded him, with John Heron and Jim Connors (not the tennis legend) as color men. Ives came back for several years, with Pete Tufford at his side. Grady Whittenburg succeeded Roy, initially with Pete on color, but it was during Grady's tenure that WHCU (which had been taken over by Eagle Broadcasting, along with WTKO) started moving toward a single broadcaster, especially for games outside of Lynah Rink. Grady left for the Binghamton Senators in 2002. Adam Wodon broadcast for two seasons through 2004, and Jason Weinstein succeded him.
[Disclaimer: These are my best recollections as to what happened. I may be off by a year or so about when transitions happened, but I believe that the names, the roles, and the stations are substantially accurate. I welcome corrections to the details. And, obviously, I'm the "Arthur" who worked with Chris Moore, and I also did several games with Grady over the years; you can decide how good a job I did.]
Hockey PBP:
58-69 Sam Woodside
69-70 Jay Levine
70-72 Andy Andrews
72-80 Roy Ives
80-84 Chris Moore
84-85 Jim Lester
85-89 Roy Ives
89-02 Grady Whittenburg
02-04 Adam Wodon
04-25 Jason Weinstein
Arthur did a
great job in the games I heard him do. He projected slightly less irascibility than what we know and love him for.
Quote from: TrotskySo if Sam retired in 1971 we have between then and 89 when Grady started unaccounted for. I know Arthur was color for a while, but IINM not PBP.
Aha, quoting Arthur fronm 2006:
QuoteIn the thread announcing Tom Joseph's passing, Bill Howard suggested:
[q]Some time it would be fun (well, a little) to recall all the Cornell sports announcers and where they've gone on to. It would be boring as hell for eLynah denizens who thank Adam Wodon is an old-timer.[/q]
Here's what I remember ...
I arrived at Cornell as a freshman in the fall of 1967. Sam Woodside announced Cornell hockey (and most other Cornell sports) on WHCU. Sam was occasionally assisted by his son Jim Woodside, but for the most part he did the broadcasts by himself.
Sam retired in the early 1970's, and was succeeded by Jay Levine, who broadcast games for a year, or two at the most. After Jay came Roy Ives, with Tom Joseph as his sidekick.
After the 1980 ECAC championship / NCAA "frozen four" season, Roy left briefly to broadcast minor league hockey, but that didn't work out, and he returned to Ithaca. WHCU hired Chris Moore, a recent Ithaca College graduate, to handle Cornell hockey in Ives' absence. Moore worked first with someone from WVBR (Pat somebody, whose name escapes me now ... sorry, it's been a long time), and when that didn't work out, with the sports columnist from the Ithaca Times, Arthur somebody ... the name's right on the tip of my tongue). More than a thousand people petitioned WHCU to restore Roy Ives to the broadcasts. Playoff games weren't beholden to WHCU's in-season contracts, and the 1981 playoffs featured competing broadcasts between Moore's WHCU team and Ives on WTKO.
Moore continued to broadcast on WHCU through 1984, with first Howie Borkan and then Kurt Smutko as color commentators. Moore left after the 1984 season for Wisconsin, and eventually the Florida Panthers of the NHL and WFAN in New York). Jim Lester succeeded him, with John Heron and Jim Connors (not the tennis legend) as color men. Ives came back for several years, with Pete Tufford at his side. Grady Whittenburg succeeded Roy, initially with Pete on color, but it was during Grady's tenure that WHCU (which had been taken over by Eagle Broadcasting, along with WTKO) started moving toward a single broadcaster, especially for games outside of Lynah Rink. Grady left for the Binghamton Senators in 2002. Adam Wodon broadcast for two seasons through 2004, and Jason Weinstein succeded him.
[Disclaimer: These are my best recollections as to what happened. I may be off by a year or so about when transitions happened, but I believe that the names, the roles, and the stations are substantially accurate. I welcome corrections to the details. And, obviously, I'm the "Arthur" who worked with Chris Moore, and I also did several games with Grady over the years; you can decide how good a job I did.]
Hockey PBP:Woodside's last hockey season was '68-69, though I think he did football longer. Jay Levine's only season was the glorious '69-'70 year. I can still hear him in my mind saying "Lodboa shoots, he scores." Jay was pretty good, although I didn't hear him often as I think I was at 22 or 23 of the 29 games.
I recall an Andy Andrews doing games in '70-'71 and maybe '71-72, perhaps with Roy Ives.
Woodside was way past his prime when Arthur and I attended school. The call I remember most was the '69 NCAA semi-final where Sam said (perhaps not exactly but pretty close) "Gordie Lowe in the Cornell end, and a goal" and we all turned to each other with a "who scored" question and about 10-15 seconds later Sam explained that Lowe scored and Cornell had won.
Jay Levine and his wife Mary Ann Childers have been TV news anchors and reporters in Chicago for the past 25 years or so.
58-71 Sam Woodside
71-72 Jay Levine
72-80 Roy Ives
80-84 Chris Moore
84-85 Jim Lester
85-89 Roy Ives
89-02 Grady Whittenburg
02-04 Adam Wodon
04-25 Jason Weinstein
Arthur did a great job in the games I heard him do. He projected slightly less irascibility than what we know and love him for.
Jay Levine's only year was the '69-'70 championship season. The following is from a post I made in 2006 on this subject:
Quote from: jkahnWoodside's last hockey season was '68-69, though I think he did football longer. Jay Levine's only season was the glorious '69-'70 year. I can still hear him in my mind saying "Lodboa shoots, he scores." Jay was pretty good, although I didn't hear him often as I think I was at 22 or 23 of the 29 games.
I recall an Andy Andrews doing games in '70-'71 and maybe '71-72, perhaps with Roy Ives.
Woodside was way past his prime when Arthur and I attended school. The call I remember most was the '69 NCAA semi-final where Sam said (perhaps not exactly but pretty close) "Gordie Lowe in the Cornell end, and a goal" and we all turned to each other with a "who scored" question and about 10-15 seconds later Sam explained that Lowe scored and Cornell had won.
Jay Levine and his wife Mary Ann Childers have been TV news anchors and reporters in Chicago for the past 25 years or so.
Chris Moore was and remains great. All this talk again makes me think of Barry Leonard. Hope he's ok. As someone mentioned above, I think Jason gets the gig on merit. I like Grady, but I love Jason. And Tony better than Tim. Sadly, unlikely that he'll do road games. Loved him solo on the road games. That's challenging
Maybe now that it is the only source Tony can be prevailed upon to travel. Or hey maybe we'll get Tim!
Honestly all four have been a delight, as was Adam. As a Mets and Cornell fan I have been extremely privileged to have great announcers.
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: TrotskySo if Sam retired in 1971 we have between then and 89 when Grady started unaccounted for. I know Arthur was color for a while, but IINM not PBP.
Aha, quoting Arthur fronm 2006:
QuoteIn the thread announcing Tom Joseph's passing, Bill Howard suggested:
[q]Some time it would be fun (well, a little) to recall all the Cornell sports announcers and where they've gone on to. It would be boring as hell for eLynah denizens who thank Adam Wodon is an old-timer.[/q]
Here's what I remember ...
I arrived at Cornell as a freshman in the fall of 1967. Sam Woodside announced Cornell hockey (and most other Cornell sports) on WHCU. Sam was occasionally assisted by his son Jim Woodside, but for the most part he did the broadcasts by himself.
Sam retired in the early 1970's, and was succeeded by Jay Levine, who broadcast games for a year, or two at the most. After Jay came Roy Ives, with Tom Joseph as his sidekick.
After the 1980 ECAC championship / NCAA "frozen four" season, Roy left briefly to broadcast minor league hockey, but that didn't work out, and he returned to Ithaca. WHCU hired Chris Moore, a recent Ithaca College graduate, to handle Cornell hockey in Ives' absence. Moore worked first with someone from WVBR (Pat somebody, whose name escapes me now ... sorry, it's been a long time), and when that didn't work out, with the sports columnist from the Ithaca Times, Arthur somebody ... the name's right on the tip of my tongue). More than a thousand people petitioned WHCU to restore Roy Ives to the broadcasts. Playoff games weren't beholden to WHCU's in-season contracts, and the 1981 playoffs featured competing broadcasts between Moore's WHCU team and Ives on WTKO.
Moore continued to broadcast on WHCU through 1984, with first Howie Borkan and then Kurt Smutko as color commentators. Moore left after the 1984 season for Wisconsin, and eventually the Florida Panthers of the NHL and WFAN in New York). Jim Lester succeeded him, with John Heron and Jim Connors (not the tennis legend) as color men. Ives came back for several years, with Pete Tufford at his side. Grady Whittenburg succeeded Roy, initially with Pete on color, but it was during Grady's tenure that WHCU (which had been taken over by Eagle Broadcasting, along with WTKO) started moving toward a single broadcaster, especially for games outside of Lynah Rink. Grady left for the Binghamton Senators in 2002. Adam Wodon broadcast for two seasons through 2004, and Jason Weinstein succeded him.
[Disclaimer: These are my best recollections as to what happened. I may be off by a year or so about when transitions happened, but I believe that the names, the roles, and the stations are substantially accurate. I welcome corrections to the details. And, obviously, I'm the "Arthur" who worked with Chris Moore, and I also did several games with Grady over the years; you can decide how good a job I did.]
Hockey PBP:Woodside's last hockey season was '68-69, though I think he did football longer. Jay Levine's only season was the glorious '69-'70 year. I can still hear him in my mind saying "Lodboa shoots, he scores." Jay was pretty good, although I didn't hear him often as I think I was at 22 or 23 of the 29 games.
I recall an Andy Andrews doing games in '70-'71 and maybe '71-72, perhaps with Roy Ives.
Woodside was way past his prime when Arthur and I attended school. The call I remember most was the '69 NCAA semi-final where Sam said (perhaps not exactly but pretty close) "Gordie Lowe in the Cornell end, and a goal" and we all turned to each other with a "who scored" question and about 10-15 seconds later Sam explained that Lowe scored and Cornell had won.
Jay Levine and his wife Mary Ann Childers have been TV news anchors and reporters in Chicago for the past 25 years or so.
58-71 Sam Woodside
71-72 Jay Levine
72-80 Roy Ives
80-84 Chris Moore
84-85 Jim Lester
85-89 Roy Ives
89-02 Grady Whittenburg
02-04 Adam Wodon
04-25 Jason Weinstein
Arthur did a great job in the games I heard him do. He projected slightly less irascibility than what we know and love him for.
Jay Levine's only year was the '69-'70 championship season. The following is from a post I made in 2006 on this subject:
Quote from: jkahnWoodside's last hockey season was '68-69, though I think he did football longer. Jay Levine's only season was the glorious '69-'70 year. I can still hear him in my mind saying "Lodboa shoots, he scores." Jay was pretty good, although I didn't hear him often as I think I was at 22 or 23 of the 29 games.
I recall an Andy Andrews doing games in '70-'71 and maybe '71-72, perhaps with Roy Ives.
Woodside was way past his prime when Arthur and I attended school. The call I remember most was the '69 NCAA semi-final where Sam said (perhaps not exactly but pretty close) "Gordie Lowe in the Cornell end, and a goal" and we all turned to each other with a "who scored" question and about 10-15 seconds later Sam explained that Lowe scored and Cornell had won.
Jay Levine and his wife Mary Ann Childers have been TV news anchors and reporters in Chicago for the past 25 years or so.
Fixed above, Thanks!
Jason Weinstein taking over on ESPN+ broadcasts.