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Title: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: dbilmes on June 25, 2025, 02:12:15 PM
Penn will have a new coach next season (https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/penn-parts-ways-longtime-mens-lacrosse-coach-mike-murphy).
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: mike1960 on June 25, 2025, 09:36:16 PM
Quote from: dbilmesPenn will have a new coach next season (https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/penn-parts-ways-longtime-mens-lacrosse-coach-mike-murphy).

If he doesn't land a head job, he'd make a fine defensive coach for someone.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: rss77 on June 26, 2025, 05:07:50 PM
Hint Hint Cornell is looking
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: David Harding on August 19, 2025, 10:00:10 PM
The New York Times has a story Planning a college sports road trip? These are the 25 best stops worth making (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6553497/2025/08/16/best-college-sports-towns-road-trip/).  Lynah is not on the list.  #15 is Boston for the Beanpot.  I'm posting here for this:
QuoteNo. 17: Syracuse, N.Y.

March up from Marshall Street

A regular-season lacrosse game (men's lacrosse)

The Orange hold the sport's most national titles (10, though none since 2009), and JMA Wireless Dome (the former Carrier Dome) is considered the best atmosphere in college lacrosse. When the schedule comes out, check if Cornell or Johns Hopkins is coming to town.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: mike1960 on August 19, 2025, 11:28:04 PM
Quote from: David HardingThe New York Times has a story Planning a college sports road trip? These are the 25 best stops worth making (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6553497/2025/08/16/best-college-sports-towns-road-trip/).  Lynah is not on the list.  #15 is Boston for the Beanpot.  I'm posting here for this:
QuoteNo. 17: Syracuse, N.Y.

March up from Marshall Street

A regular-season lacrosse game (men's lacrosse)

The Orange hold the sport's most national titles (10, though none since 2009), and JMA Wireless Dome (the former Carrier Dome) is considered the best atmosphere in college lacrosse. When the schedule comes out, check if Cornell or Johns Hopkins is coming to town.

The Carrier Dome is not the best atmosphere in lacrosse.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: scoop85 on August 20, 2025, 08:50:06 AM
Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: David HardingThe New York Times has a story Planning a college sports road trip? These are the 25 best stops worth making (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6553497/2025/08/16/best-college-sports-towns-road-trip/).  Lynah is not on the list.  #15 is Boston for the Beanpot.  I'm posting here for this:
QuoteNo. 17: Syracuse, N.Y.

March up from Marshall Street

A regular-season lacrosse game (men's lacrosse)

The Orange hold the sport's most national titles (10, though none since 2009), and JMA Wireless Dome (the former Carrier Dome) is considered the best atmosphere in college lacrosse. When the schedule comes out, check if Cornell or Johns Hopkins is coming to town.

The Carrier Dome is not the best atmosphere in lacrosse.

Yeah, that's a silly selection. You'd think Homewood would be the lacrosse venue of choice, or perhaps Navy.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jtwcornell91 on August 20, 2025, 10:44:14 AM
Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: David HardingThe New York Times has a story Planning a college sports road trip? These are the 25 best stops worth making (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6553497/2025/08/16/best-college-sports-towns-road-trip/).  Lynah is not on the list.  #15 is Boston for the Beanpot.  I'm posting here for this:
QuoteNo. 17: Syracuse, N.Y.

March up from Marshall Street

A regular-season lacrosse game (men's lacrosse)

The Orange hold the sport's most national titles (10, though none since 2009), and JMA Wireless Dome (the former Carrier Dome) is considered the best atmosphere in college lacrosse. When the schedule comes out, check if Cornell or Johns Hopkins is coming to town.

The Carrier Dome is not the best atmosphere in lacrosse.

Yeah, that's a pretty crazy statement.  It's a football stadium, and they have to curtain off part of the arena for lacrosse.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: upprdeck on August 20, 2025, 11:05:30 AM
Where do they curtain off the arena?  You mean limit access to the upperdeck?
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Trotsky on August 20, 2025, 11:45:38 AM
My vote goes to my daughter's school, Sea Gull Stadium, Salisbury Maryland.  It's a cathedral for lacrosse.

(https://seagulllacrosse.com/uploads/clubs/seagulllacrosseacademy/seagulllaxslider3.jpg)
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jtwcornell91 on August 20, 2025, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: upprdeckWhere do they curtain off the arena?  You mean limit access to the upperdeck?

I think so.  I realized after posting that I had the hockey-vs-football playing surface sizes in the back of my head.  But I'm sure that when I went to the CU-SU game at the Dome in 2009, they had parts of the stands curtained off.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: RichH on August 21, 2025, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: TrotskyMy vote goes to my daughter's school, Sea Gull Stadium, Salisbury Maryland.  It's a cathedral for lacrosse.

1) That's a football field.
2) it just looks like the now gone West Stands, but maintained.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: scoop85 on August 21, 2025, 09:46:05 AM
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: TrotskyMy vote goes to my daughter's school, Sea Gull Stadium, Salisbury Maryland.  It's a cathedral for lacrosse.

1) That's a football field.
2) it just looks like the now gone West Stands, but maintained.

Yeah,that's not the be all of lacrosse venues.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Ken711 on August 21, 2025, 10:38:51 AM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: TrotskyMy vote goes to my daughter's school, Sea Gull Stadium, Salisbury Maryland.  It's a cathedral for lacrosse.

1) That's a football field.
2) it just looks like the now gone West Stands, but maintained.

Yeah,that's not the be all of lacrosse venues.

For a Division 3 school it's pretty nice, but not a dedicated lacrosse only facility.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Tcl123 on August 24, 2025, 10:19:52 PM
Quote from: Ken711
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: TrotskyMy vote goes to my daughter's school, Sea Gull Stadium, Salisbury Maryland.  It's a cathedral for lacrosse.

1) That's a football field.
2) it just looks like the now gone West Stands, but maintained.

Yeah,that's not the be all of lacrosse venues.

For a Division 3 school it's pretty nice, but not a dedicated lacrosse only .
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Trotsky on August 25, 2025, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: TrotskyMy vote goes to my daughter's school, Sea Gull Stadium, Salisbury Maryland.  It's a cathedral for lacrosse.

1) That's a football field.
2) it just looks like the now gone West Stands, but maintained.

They have it marked off for football but nobody cares.  The school is serious about lacrosse (and baseball).  It would only be the west stands if the west stands were (1) not condemned, and (2) 150% full of students who gave a shit.

It's Lynah for lacrosse.  I mean if you prefer Conte, then sure, it's small.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: rss77 on August 27, 2025, 03:45:35 PM
Note that Cornell's Luke Robinson, a middie, made the
All Tournament team for the U20's just concluded in South Korea.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Trotsky on August 28, 2025, 02:38:50 PM
TIL there is international lacrosse.

Are the US and Canada dominant or has some tiny country made it their niche specialty?  

My money's on the Finns.  Stamina.

Edit: Um (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Lacrosse_Men%27s_Championship).

Edit edit: HOLY FUCK THIS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haudenosaunee_men%27s_national_lacrosse_team) IS GREAT!
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: underskill on August 28, 2025, 02:40:34 PM
Israel has done pretty well IIRC. I believe Seibald has played for them
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: stereax on August 28, 2025, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: TrotskyTIL there is international lacrosse.

Are the US and Canada dominant or has some tiny country made it their niche specialty?  

My money's on the Finns.  Stamina.

Edit: Um (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Lacrosse_Men%27s_Championship).

Edit edit: HOLY FUCK THIS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haudenosaunee_men%27s_national_lacrosse_team) IS GREAT!
The Haudenosaunee team is fuckin awesome. Heard they're trying to be allowed to play at the Olympics under their flag!
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Trotsky on August 29, 2025, 03:39:59 AM
Quote from: stereaxThe Haudenosaunee team is fuckin awesome. Heard they're trying to be allowed to play at the Olympics under their flag!

If they secede I'm moving there; who's with me?  I'm sure they'll welcome a horde of pushy white people. What's the worst that could happen?

(https://d309zx38sewmgu.cloudfront.net/2018/06/Iroquois-Territory.jpg)
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jtwcornell91 on August 29, 2025, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: stereaxThe Haudenosaunee team is fuckin awesome. Heard they're trying to be allowed to play at the Olympics under their flag!

If they secede I'm moving there; who's with me?  I'm sure they'll welcome a horde of pushy white people. What's the worst that could happen?

(https://d309zx38sewmgu.cloudfront.net/2018/06/Iroquois-Territory.jpg)

We went snowshoeing in Allegany State Park a couple of years ago.  On the way out we stopped for gas in the nearest town, Salamanca, which is actually on the Seneca (Onondowaga) reservation.  Since it was shortly after recreational marijuana legalization, the ubiquitous smoke shops had become weed shops.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jtwcornell91 on August 29, 2025, 12:51:44 PM
Quote from: stereax
Quote from: TrotskyTIL there is international lacrosse.

Are the US and Canada dominant or has some tiny country made it their niche specialty?  

My money's on the Finns.  Stamina.

Edit: Um (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Lacrosse_Men%27s_Championship).

Edit edit: HOLY FUCK THIS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haudenosaunee_men%27s_national_lacrosse_team) IS GREAT!
The Haudenosaunee team is fuckin awesome. Heard they're trying to be allowed to play at the Olympics under their flag!

It seems like a stretch given that e.g., England, Scotland, and Wales have to play as Great Britain in sports where they otherwise play as separate nations, but I suppose the counterexample is that Puerto Rico has its own Olympic team.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: ugarte on August 29, 2025, 02:09:05 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: stereaxThe Haudenosaunee team is fuckin awesome. Heard they're trying to be allowed to play at the Olympics under their flag!

If they secede I'm moving there; who's with me?  I'm sure they'll welcome a horde of pushy white people. What's the worst that could happen?
it already happened!
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: The Rancor on September 01, 2025, 02:14:32 PM
I understand that they will play a six on six format, instead of the usual ten on ten. Smaller field, no long sticks, shorter play time.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: George64 on September 01, 2025, 04:57:29 PM
Rowyn Nurry (https://youtu.be/z8PcnMAYKj4?feature=shared) scores 8 goals in OT win over IMG Nationals.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Ken711 on September 01, 2025, 06:43:42 PM
Quote from: George64Rowyn Nurry (https://youtu.be/z8PcnMAYKj4?feature=shared) scores 8 goals in OT win over IMG Nationals.

https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/national-teams/usa-men/fathers-homecoming-sons-dream-nurry-familys-journey-jeju
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: George64 on September 01, 2025, 07:31:08 PM
Quote from: Ken711
Quote from: George64Rowyn Nurry (https://youtu.be/z8PcnMAYKj4?feature=shared) scores 8 goals in OT win over IMG Nationals.

https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/national-teams/usa-men/fathers-homecoming-sons-dream-nurry-familys-journey-jeju

Terrific backstory!  Nice to see his Dad wearing a Cornell lacrosse cap.
.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: George64 on September 01, 2025, 10:22:39 PM
Unfortunately for Rowyn, the circle wasn't quite completed.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: JasonN95 on September 02, 2025, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Ken711
Quote from: George64Rowyn Nurry (https://youtu.be/z8PcnMAYKj4?feature=shared) scores 8 goals in OT win over IMG Nationals.

https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/national-teams/usa-men/fathers-homecoming-sons-dream-nurry-familys-journey-jeju

"...and led to his eventual commitment to Cornell, the defending national champions."

That's just a delight to read. Going to squeeze as much enjoyment out of that as I can until next Memorial Day.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Trotsky on September 03, 2025, 08:35:53 AM
Banners are forever.

(https://snworksceo.imgix.net/cds/38ca1114-2efb-4194-871f-e1b07e65d813.sized-1000x1000.jpg?w=1000&dpr=2)
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Al DeFlorio on September 04, 2025, 06:56:18 PM
Inside Lacrosse on Gus Griffin: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2027-recruiting-oklahoma-product-gus-griffin-s-incredible-path-to-committing-to-cornell/65842
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: TimV on September 05, 2025, 09:49:08 AM
Excellent.  At what point do we get the designation of "Attackman U?"
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on September 05, 2025, 05:02:03 PM
Quote from: TimVExcellent.  At what point do we get the designation of "Attackman U?"

He's 6'4".  That's a little different from most of our previous attackmen (except Kirst).
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: TimV on September 06, 2025, 09:09:47 AM
Excellent. Difficult for poles to go over his head, Tall enough to see the field over the goaltender and cage when he's at X. Or can post him up 10 feet off the crease and send high feeds to drop down over the tender's shoulders.  Gotta muscle him up in the weight room.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on September 06, 2025, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: TimVExcellent. Difficult for poles to go over his head, Tall enough to see the field over the goaltender and cage when he's at X. Or can post him up 10 feet off the crease and send high feeds to drop down over the tender's shoulders.  Gotta muscle him up in the weight room.

I can see a lot of passes from X hitting him on the cut for a beautiful high-to-low shot,
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: dbilmes on September 10, 2025, 09:56:48 AM
The Columbia student newspaper has an article (https://www.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2025/09/08/columbia-is-the-only-ivy-without-varsity-mens-lacrosse-an-alumni-organization-wants-to-change-that/) about how a group of alums want to upgrade the men's lacrosse program from the club level to the Division I level. However, it appears there are a lot of obstacles in the way, including Title IX regulations about having an equal number of male and female athletes. Since Columbia already has a women's lacrosse team, it would have to figure out another way to add a men's team sport with dozens of athletes. Of course, the current administration may do away with Title IX in its pursuit of eliminating anything that is linked to DEI.
In the meantime, the club lacrosse team shares a practice field with the women's ultimate frisbee team. "We're splitting the field for practices with girls' frisbee, and because of that it's always a safety hazard for them. It's also hindering on us."
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jjanow99 on September 10, 2025, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: dbilmesThe Columbia student newspaper has an article (https://www.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2025/09/08/columbia-is-the-only-ivy-without-varsity-mens-lacrosse-an-alumni-organization-wants-to-change-that/) about how a group of alums want to upgrade the men's lacrosse program from the club level to the Division I level. However, it appears there are a lot of obstacles in the way, including Title IX regulations about having an equal number of male and female athletes. Since Columbia already has a women's lacrosse team, it would have to figure out another way to add a men's team sport with dozens of athletes. Of course, the current administration may do away with Title IX in its pursuit of eliminating anything that is linked to DEI.
In the meantime, the club lacrosse team shares a practice field with the women's ultimate frisbee team. "We're splitting the field for practices with girls' frisbee, and because of that it's always a safety hazard for them. It's also hindering on us."

Having a 2nd underachieving team in the League would really be a drag on our Strength of Schedule. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Swampy on September 11, 2025, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: jjanow99
Quote from: dbilmesThe Columbia student newspaper has an article (https://www.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2025/09/08/columbia-is-the-only-ivy-without-varsity-mens-lacrosse-an-alumni-organization-wants-to-change-that/) about how a group of alums want to upgrade the men's lacrosse program from the club level to the Division I level. However, it appears there are a lot of obstacles in the way, including Title IX regulations about having an equal number of male and female athletes. Since Columbia already has a women's lacrosse team, it would have to figure out another way to add a men's team sport with dozens of athletes. Of course, the current administration may do away with Title IX in its pursuit of eliminating anything that is linked to DEI.
In the meantime, the club lacrosse team shares a practice field with the women's ultimate frisbee team. "We're splitting the field for practices with girls' frisbee, and because of that it's always a safety hazard for them. It's also hindering on us."

Having a 2nd underachieving team in the League would really be a drag on our Strength of Schedule. Just sayin'.

But this is the path they have to follow. Back in the '70s, I played club lacrosse against Notre Dame. And look where they are now!
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jjanow99 on September 12, 2025, 08:31:41 AM
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: jjanow99
Quote from: dbilmesThe Columbia student newspaper has an article (https://www.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2025/09/08/columbia-is-the-only-ivy-without-varsity-mens-lacrosse-an-alumni-organization-wants-to-change-that/) about how a group of alums want to upgrade the men's lacrosse program from the club level to the Division I level. However, it appears there are a lot of obstacles in the way, including Title IX regulations about having an equal number of male and female athletes. Since Columbia already has a women's lacrosse team, it would have to figure out another way to add a men's team sport with dozens of athletes. Of course, the current administration may do away with Title IX in its pursuit of eliminating anything that is linked to DEI.
In the meantime, the club lacrosse team shares a practice field with the women's ultimate frisbee team. "We're splitting the field for practices with girls' frisbee, and because of that it's always a safety hazard for them. It's also hindering on us."

Having a 2nd underachieving team in the League would really be a drag on our Strength of Schedule. Just sayin'.

But this is the path they have to follow. Back in the '70s, I played club lacrosse against Notre Dame. And look where they are now!


So call me in 40 years when Columbia gets good.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: Swampy on September 12, 2025, 09:31:03 AM
Quote from: jjanow99
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: jjanow99
Quote from: dbilmesThe Columbia student newspaper has an article (https://www.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2025/09/08/columbia-is-the-only-ivy-without-varsity-mens-lacrosse-an-alumni-organization-wants-to-change-that/) about how a group of alums want to upgrade the men's lacrosse program from the club level to the Division I level. However, it appears there are a lot of obstacles in the way, including Title IX regulations about having an equal number of male and female athletes. Since Columbia already has a women's lacrosse team, it would have to figure out another way to add a men's team sport with dozens of athletes. Of course, the current administration may do away with Title IX in its pursuit of eliminating anything that is linked to DEI.
In the meantime, the club lacrosse team shares a practice field with the women's ultimate frisbee team. "We're splitting the field for practices with girls' frisbee, and because of that it's always a safety hazard for them. It's also hindering on us."

Having a 2nd underachieving team in the League would really be a drag on our Strength of Schedule. Just sayin'.

But this is the path they have to follow. Back in the '70s, I played club lacrosse against Notre Dame. And look where they are now!


So call me in 40 years when Columbia gets good.


We should live so long! Or maybe I'll call you when we're both on the other side. ::thud::
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jjanow99 on September 12, 2025, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: jjanow99
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: jjanow99
Quote from: dbilmesThe Columbia student newspaper has an article (https://www.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2025/09/08/columbia-is-the-only-ivy-without-varsity-mens-lacrosse-an-alumni-organization-wants-to-change-that/) about how a group of alums want to upgrade the men's lacrosse program from the club level to the Division I level. However, it appears there are a lot of obstacles in the way, including Title IX regulations about having an equal number of male and female athletes. Since Columbia already has a women's lacrosse team, it would have to figure out another way to add a men's team sport with dozens of athletes. Of course, the current administration may do away with Title IX in its pursuit of eliminating anything that is linked to DEI.
In the meantime, the club lacrosse team shares a practice field with the women's ultimate frisbee team. "We're splitting the field for practices with girls' frisbee, and because of that it's always a safety hazard for them. It's also hindering on us."

Deal!

Having a 2nd underachieving team in the League would really be a drag on our Strength of Schedule. Just sayin'.

But this is the path they have to follow. Back in the '70s, I played club lacrosse against Notre Dame. And look where they are now!


So call me in 40 years when Columbia gets good.


We should live so long! Or maybe I'll call you when we're both on the other side. ::thud::
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: mike1960 on September 12, 2025, 12:42:28 PM
If it needs to be said, let's not do that to bears on campus. Very poor judgment.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jjanow99 on September 12, 2025, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: jjanow99
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: jjanow99
Quote from: dbilmesThe Columbia student newspaper has an article (https://www.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2025/09/08/columbia-is-the-only-ivy-without-varsity-mens-lacrosse-an-alumni-organization-wants-to-change-that/) about how a group of alums want to upgrade the men's lacrosse program from the club level to the Division I level. However, it appears there are a lot of obstacles in the way, including Title IX regulations about having an equal number of male and female athletes. Since Columbia already has a women's lacrosse team, it would have to figure out another way to add a men's team sport with dozens of athletes. Of course, the current administration may do away with Title IX in its pursuit of eliminating anything that is linked to DEI.
In the meantime, the club lacrosse team shares a practice field with the women's ultimate frisbee team. "We're splitting the field for practices with girls' frisbee, and because of that it's always a safety hazard for them. It's also hindering on us."

Having a 2nd underachieving team in the League would really be a drag on our Strength of Schedule. Just sayin'.

But this is the path they have to follow. Back in the '70s, I played club lacrosse against Notre Dame. And look where they are now!


So call me in 40 years when Columbia gets good.


We should live so long! Or maybe I'll call you when we're both on the other side. ::thud::


Deal!
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: mike1960 on September 29, 2025, 02:42:24 PM
Love the new digs.
Title: Re: Ivy League lacrosse 2026
Post by: jeff '84 on September 30, 2025, 05:05:52 PM
https://www.tiktok.com/@lacrossenetwork/video/7555582770118954295

Cornell lacrosse coach Connor Buczek made a hole-in-one!