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Quote from: TrotskyGood breakdown, thank you.

Quote from: underskillI wonder if any were committed pre-coaching switch

Quote from: BearLoverHarvard picked up their first commitment from the CHL, Alex Huang of the QMJHL, '06 defenseman ranked #77 by NHL Central Scouting for this year's draft.

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Quote from: BearLoverHarvard picked up their first commitment from the CHL, Alex Huang of the QMJHL, '06 defenseman ranked #77 by NHL Central Scouting for this year's draft.

Unless of course the Trump administration is able to follow through with not allowing foreign students to attend Harvard.

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Quote from: BearLoverHarvard picked up their first commitment from the CHL, Alex Huang of the QMJHL, '06 defenseman ranked #77 by NHL Central Scouting for this year's draft.

Unless of course the Trump administration is able to follow through with not allowing foreign students to attend Harvard.

That could eventually impact all colleges-doubt he will stop at Harvard

Quote from: chimpfoodAlexis Cournoyer goes to Montreal in the fifth round, 145 overall.

Quote from: chimpfoodAlexis Cournoyer goes to Montreal in the fifth round, 145 overall.

Quote from: stereaxDiGiulian didn't get drafted though, right?

Quote from: stereaxOh... great... (https://x.com/PuckPedia/status/1943343460096053580?t=ju99G3BwVfa0TNEB4DLPuA&s=19)

The new CBA changes the time teams have drafted players' rights before signing them (4 years for drafted at 18, 3 years drafted at 19, etc).

These changes are expected to be effective starting with the 2027 draft class. Players drafted prior to 2027 will be subject to the existing rules/timelines

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Quote from: stereaxOh... great... (https://x.com/PuckPedia/status/1943343460096053580?t=ju99G3BwVfa0TNEB4DLPuA&s=19)

The new CBA changes the time teams have drafted players' rights before signing them (4 years for drafted at 18, 3 years drafted at 19, etc).

These changes are expected to be effective starting with the 2027 draft class. Players drafted prior to 2027 will be subject to the existing rules/timelines

There was talk that there may be an exception if a player is in college, in which case their rights would expire X days after graduating. Did that end up not making it into the CBA?

This change seems to hurt most the teams with a lot of good but not great draft picks (guys who might want to stay 3 or 4 years). It also means college teams should rush drafted players to college whether they're ready or not.

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Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: stereaxOh... great... (https://x.com/PuckPedia/status/1943343460096053580?t=ju99G3BwVfa0TNEB4DLPuA&s=19)

The new CBA changes the time teams have drafted players' rights before signing them (4 years for drafted at 18, 3 years drafted at 19, etc).

These changes are expected to be effective starting with the 2027 draft class. Players drafted prior to 2027 will be subject to the existing rules/timelines

There was talk that there may be an exception if a player is in college, in which case their rights would expire X days after graduating. Did that end up not making it into the CBA?

This change seems to hurt most the teams with a lot of good but not great draft picks (guys who might want to stay 3 or 4 years). It also means college teams should rush drafted players to college whether they're ready or not.

If they're "not ready" for college, what is the benefit of rushing them to come in? I'd rather have a guy who's "ready" even if it's for only 2 or 3 years.

Quote from: stereaxOk so as per this (https://x.com/PuckReportNHL/status/1943804643244421281?t=7M5zWyieuU212JpCdMX6nQ&s=19) what I understood is true:

Draft rights: starting in 2027 draft

• age 18, rights expire on the fourth June 1 afterward.

• 19 or older, rights expire on the third June 1 afterward.

• if NCAA, rights expire following the 30th day after Central Registry is informed the player is leaving college hockey

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Quote from: stereaxOk so as per this (https://x.com/PuckReportNHL/status/1943804643244421281?t=7M5zWyieuU212JpCdMX6nQ&s=19) what I understood is true:

Draft rights: starting in 2027 draft

• age 18, rights expire on the fourth June 1 afterward.

• 19 or older, rights expire on the third June 1 afterward.

• if NCAA, rights expire following the 30th day after Central Registry is informed the player is leaving college hockey

So the exception I was referring to above made it into the CBA after all. I.e. I don't think the new rule changes much of anything for college hockey.

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Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: stereaxOk so as per this (https://x.com/PuckReportNHL/status/1943804643244421281?t=7M5zWyieuU212JpCdMX6nQ&s=19) what I understood is true:

Draft rights: starting in 2027 draft

• age 18, rights expire on the fourth June 1 afterward.

• 19 or older, rights expire on the third June 1 afterward.

• if NCAA, rights expire following the 30th day after Central Registry is informed the player is leaving college hockey

So the exception I was referring to above made it into the CBA after all. I.e. I don't think the new rule changes much of anything for college hockey.

changes nothing - except I think it used to be Aug. 1 now says "30 days" - and I also don't know what it means to inform anyone they're leaving college hockey if they're a senior.

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Quote from: stereaxOk so as per this (https://x.com/PuckReportNHL/status/1943804643244421281?t=7M5zWyieuU212JpCdMX6nQ&s=19) what I understood is true:

Draft rights: starting in 2027 draft

• age 18, rights expire on the fourth June 1 afterward.

• 19 or older, rights expire on the third June 1 afterward.

• if NCAA, rights expire following the 30th day after Central Registry is informed the player is leaving college hockey

So the exception I was referring to above made it into the CBA after all. I.e. I don't think the new rule changes much of anything for college hockey.

changes nothing - except I think it used to be Aug. 1 now says "30 days" - and I also don't know what it means to inform anyone they're leaving college hockey if they're a senior.

Perhaps that is written if a player leaves before graduating.

Quote from: ithacatFwiw, Heisenberg's list for 2026 & beyond, with updated teams, shows the following number of recruits planning to play in the CHL this season:

Cornell - 7
Harvard - 6
Colgate - 3
Clarkson, QU - 2
Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale - 1
Brown, RPI, SLU, Union - 0

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Quote from: ithacatFwiw, Heisenberg's list for 2026 & beyond, with updated teams, shows the following number of recruits planning to play in the CHL this season:

Cornell - 7
Harvard - 6
Colgate - 3
Clarkson, QU - 2
Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale - 1
Brown, RPI, SLU, Union - 0

Quinnipiac's and Clarkson's numbers are low because their strategy, at least for next season, was to load up on CHL overagers who could immediately come to college the following season. So these teams are recruiting heavily from the CHL, but less so younger players who are still a few years away from matriculating. Clarkson had a bunch of decommitments from the coaching change so I can give them a pass, but Q's strategy seems to have been to kick most of their longtime recruits to the curb (either tell them they no longer have a roster spot, or send them back to juniors for another year) in favor of bringing in 7 CHL overagers. These kids were likely lined up to come to Q this summer until the CHL players became eligible, and a few months later those kids were told to kick rocks. Quinnipiac is surely not the only team doing this, but they're probably the only team in the ECAC doing this.

Quote from: ithacatFwiw, Heisenberg's list for 2026 & beyond, with updated teams, shows the following number of recruits planning to play in the CHL this season:

Cornell - 7
Harvard - 6
Colgate - 3
Clarkson, QU - 2
Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale - 1
Brown, RPI, SLU, Union - 0

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Quote from: ithacatFwiw, Heisenberg's list for 2026 & beyond, with updated teams, shows the following number of recruits planning to play in the CHL this season:

Cornell - 7
Harvard - 6
Colgate - 3
Clarkson, QU - 2
Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale - 1
Brown, RPI, SLU, Union - 0

But I was told Cornell was going to have problems recruiting from the CHL...

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Quote from: ithacatFwiw, Heisenberg's list for 2026 & beyond, with updated teams, shows the following number of recruits planning to play in the CHL this season:

(Q/O/W)
Cornell - 7 (3-2-2)
Harvard - 6 (2-3-1)
Colgate - 3 (0-2-1)
Clarkson, QU - 2 (1-1-0) (0-1-1)
Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale - 1 (Q), (W), (W)
Brown, RPI, SLU, Union - 0

But I was told Cornell was going to have problems recruiting from the CHL...

Genuine question tho, can you break it down by league? It feels like most of our recruits stem from the Q, would be interested to know if other ECAC teams are pulling from the O and W or if we're all mostly dealing with the closest league.

Quote from: BearLoverQ's strategy seems to have been to kick most of their longtime recruits to the curb (either tell them they no longer have a roster spot, or send them back to juniors for another year) in favor of bringing in 7 CHL overagers. These kids were likely lined up to come to Q this summer until the CHL players became eligible, and a few months later those kids were told to kick rocks. Quinnipiac is surely not the only team doing this, but they're probably the only team in the ECAC doing this.

Quote from: scoop85New forward recruit, Declan Wotton, a 6'1 200 lb 16 year old from Maine. Drafted by Fargo of the USHL and Baie-Comeau Drakkar of the QMJHL
 
https://www.instagram.com/p/DM0sDt5gdc8/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Quote from: ursusminorA little disconcerting to me that Cornell is working on the supposedly 2027-entering class while RPI still needs two for this fall after two recent decommits. (One there is a rumor about.)

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Quote from: ursusminorA little disconcerting to me that Cornell is working on the supposedly 2027-entering class while RPI still needs two for this fall after two recent decommits. (One there is a rumor about.)

He's 16.  He might be 2030-entering.

Quote from: TrotskyGood to see a local lad (Latham) stay home.

Favorite sons fleeing to the CHL or rivals is always irritating, even though yeah get outta dodge the second you can, I feel ya.

Quote from: TrotskyCommits born during the Obama presidency (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html) aren't freaking me out at all.

Quote from: stereaxPeople stopped being born after like, 2007

Quote from: chimpfoodThe Heisenberg list has a couple names I don't remember seeing before. One is Nolan Long who is playing for Saint Andrews this year. Presumably he is Aidan Long's brother because they have the same birthplace. There is also Declan Wotton who is a 16 year old (may birthday) in the Q who scored in his first game.

Quote from: BearLover on October 02, 2025, 10:44:09 AM1. I don't have a good baseline for how much our players should be scoring in the three CHL leagues. Is a point per game not as impressive as it is in the lower scoring USHL? How should we adjust expectations based on age (eg. if our recruit is 16/17/18/19)?

Quote from: chimpfood on October 06, 2025, 10:00:32 PMMichael Dec looks very exciting to me, 15 points through his first 15 OHL games, looks like he's on the first power play as well.

Quote from: ursusminor on October 07, 2025, 04:36:23 AMA free article on Neutral Zone about changes which have affected college hockey's entering classes. There is a paragraph titled "Cornell". This is not the appropriate thread for it, but I didn't want to resurrect last year's recruit thread.

https://neutralzone.com/2025/10/06/a-new-era-of-ncaa-hockey/

Quote from: ursusminor on October 07, 2025, 04:36:23 AMA free article on Neutral Zone about changes which have affected college hockey's entering classes. There is a paragraph titled "Cornell". This is not the appropriate thread for it, but I didn't want to resurrect last year's recruit thread.

https://neutralzone.com/2025/10/06/a-new-era-of-ncaa-hockey/

Quote from: ursusminor on October 07, 2025, 04:36:23 AMA free article on Neutral Zone about changes which have affected college hockey's entering classes. There is a paragraph titled "Cornell". This is not the appropriate thread for it, but I didn't want to resurrect last year's recruit thread.

https://neutralzone.com/2025/10/06/a-new-era-of-ncaa-hockey/

Quote from: BearLover on October 07, 2025, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on October 07, 2025, 04:36:23 AMA free article on Neutral Zone about changes which have affected college hockey's entering classes. There is a paragraph titled "Cornell". This is not the appropriate thread for it, but I didn't want to resurrect last year's recruit thread.

https://neutralzone.com/2025/10/06/a-new-era-of-ncaa-hockey/

I'm not so sure about the Cornell section of this article. It speaks of Cornell going off the beaten path for recruits and references two aspects of our recruiting:
(1) that we have a lot of incoming players from the BCHL rather than the CHL. But most of our BCHL recruits committed before CHL players became eligible.
(2) that we recruit from the OJHL and CCHL. But that hasn't really been true in the past five years?

Quote from: chimpfood on October 11, 2025, 09:40:39 PMAlex Pelletier absolutely going off in the USHL. 7 goals and 2 assists in 7 games.

Quote from: BearLover on October 13, 2025, 10:43:47 AMStill, how much of his USHL success is due to him being 20?

Overall, he looks like a strong recruit. But as always, there's a lot of uncertainty in recruiting.

QuoteCharlie Sullivan (D, L, 6'1, 183, St. Andrew's College, 03/21/2009, Cornell)

A draft pick of the Guelph Storm, Sullivan is currently playing at St. Andrew's College. In 2028, the defenseman will head to Cornell.

Sullivan put in a great performance at the OHL Cup, where his Don Mills Flyers placed second.

"Throughout the OHL Cup, Charlie showcased his strong compete level, skating, and shot. Looking at his compete level, Charlie backchecked consistently. He rarely trailed the play and was consistently one of the first players back to limit zone entries for his team. Charlie won numerous puck battles. Due to his strong physical game, Charlie delivered many hits to opponents away from the puck, enabling him to gain puck possession and initiate breakouts. Charlie frequently positioned himself in shooting lanes, demonstrating a willingness to put his body on the line. He blocked many shots, limiting scoring chances against his team. Regarding his skating, he was agile. Charlie demonstrated the ability to utilize both his inside and outside edges effectively."

Quote from: ursusminor on October 29, 2025, 01:24:08 AMA public post on Neutral Zone about recent commitments. https://neutralzone.com/2025/10/27/ncaa-commitments-oct-20-oct-26/

Re: Sullivan

QuoteCharlie Sullivan (D, L, 6'1, 183, St. Andrew's College, 03/21/2009, Cornell)

A draft pick of the Guelph Storm, Sullivan is currently playing at St. Andrew's College. In 2028, the defenseman will head to Cornell.

Sullivan put in a great performance at the OHL Cup, where his Don Mills Flyers placed second.

"Throughout the OHL Cup, Charlie showcased his strong compete level, skating, and shot. Looking at his compete level, Charlie backchecked consistently. He rarely trailed the play and was consistently one of the first players back to limit zone entries for his team. Charlie won numerous puck battles. Due to his strong physical game, Charlie delivered many hits to opponents away from the puck, enabling him to gain puck possession and initiate breakouts. Charlie frequently positioned himself in shooting lanes, demonstrating a willingness to put his body on the line. He blocked many shots, limiting scoring chances against his team. Regarding his skating, he was agile. Charlie demonstrated the ability to utilize both his inside and outside edges effectively."

Quote from: chimpfood on November 01, 2025, 03:24:48 PMDec traded to Erie.

Quote from: Redpucks1! on November 02, 2025, 05:38:36 PMLooking at the Chris Heisenberg website it looks as if one of our top recruits may have decommitted. Alex Pelletier's name has been crossed out under the list of Cornell commits as has Michael Sandruck's.  In looking at the Lincoln Stars roster they don't have Pelletier listed as going to Cornell any longer.  Sandruck is not a surprise, that may have been Cornell's doing seeing as he hasn't progressed as was hoped.  If true about Pelletier that is a big loss.  I haven't been able to find out where he may be committing or if he is just reopening the recruiting process with his huge start to the USHL season.

Quote from: chimpfood on November 02, 2025, 05:45:11 PM

Quote from: Redpucks1! on November 02, 2025, 05:38:36 PMLooking at the Chris Heisenberg website it looks as if one of our top recruits may have decommitted. Alex Pelletier's name has been crossed out under the list of Cornell commits as has Michael Sandruck's.  In looking at the Lincoln Stars roster they don't have Pelletier listed as going to Cornell any longer.  Sandruck is not a surprise, that may have been Cornell's doing seeing as he hasn't progressed as was hoped.  If true about Pelletier that is a big loss.  I haven't been able to find out where he may be committing or if he is just reopening the recruiting process with his huge start to the USHL season.

Yeah looks like he took down his commitment post and elite prospects also has him as decommitted. I can't think of why unless someone offered to bring him in over winter break, because he's going to have to wait until next year anyway.

I did expect him to come in over guys like Caton Ryan and Connor Arsenault. With Ryan being a first liner right now I can understand bringing him over Pelletier, but bringing in Arsenault a year early and losing a top recruit in return is not great.

To be honest I wasn't totally sold on him anyway thanks to a combination of size, age, and huge shot volume that he won't get in college but it's too bad we couldn't at least see what we had with him. Opens the door for Jones to work some magic and maybe get us a good CHLer to fill his spot though.

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWell that really sullied a good weekend. WTF

Quote from: scoop85 on November 02, 2025, 10:10:01 PM

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWell that really sullied a good weekend. WTF

Only if you let it. I'm confident we'll continue to recruit very well despite it all.

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 10:58:40 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on November 02, 2025, 10:10:01 PM

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWell that really sullied a good weekend. WTF

Only if you let it. I'm confident we'll continue to recruit very well despite it all.

The recruiting is looking pretty sketchy at the moment. The Pelletier thing is especially annoying because it seems like an unforced error.

Quote from: abmarks on November 03, 2025, 06:35:28 AM

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 10:58:40 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on November 02, 2025, 10:10:01 PM

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWell that really sullied a good weekend. WTF

Only if you let it. I'm confident we'll continue to recruit very well despite it all.

The recruiting is looking pretty sketchy at the moment. The Pelletier thing is especially annoying because it seems like an unforced error.

When there's some change with a recruit, you always blame the coaches.

Quote from: arugula on November 03, 2025, 06:49:40 PMNot following this as closely as you all, but could this be a matter of he was recruited by Schaf and Schaf  retired so he no longer wanted to come.

Quote from: scoop85 on November 03, 2025, 09:40:10 PMPerhaps some NIL money plus the "traditional" full ride athletic scholarship to a traditional blue blood program was enough of an enticement.

Quote from: marty on November 03, 2025, 10:52:30 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on November 03, 2025, 09:40:10 PMPerhaps some NIL money plus the "traditional" full ride athletic scholarship to a traditional blue blood program was enough of an enticement.

Will he commit to Penn State or some other program flush with cash?

Quote from: ugarte on November 03, 2025, 11:29:32 PM

Quote from: marty on November 03, 2025, 10:52:30 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on November 03, 2025, 09:40:10 PMPerhaps some NIL money plus the "traditional" full ride athletic scholarship to a traditional blue blood program was enough of an enticement.

Will he commit to Penn State or some other program flush with cash?

scroll up... this was referring to BC

Quote from: scoop85 on November 03, 2025, 09:40:10 PMPerhaps some NIL money plus the "traditional" full ride athletic scholarship to a traditional blue blood program was enough of an enticement.

Quote from: scoop85 on November 04, 2025, 01:05:49 PMNobody knows why he didn't come as part of this year's class so your speculation is just that.

We've benefitted from recruiting flips (Walsh was committed to Brown initially)

Quote from: marty on November 04, 2025, 01:08:18 PMWhat I haven't seen the team benefit from is endless speculation.  Yet it seems more endless than ever.

Quote from: abmarks on November 03, 2025, 06:35:28 AM

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 10:58:40 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on November 02, 2025, 10:10:01 PM

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWell that really sullied a good weekend. WTF

Only if you let it. I'm confident we'll continue to recruit very well despite it all.

The recruiting is looking pretty sketchy at the moment. The Pelletier thing is especially annoying because it seems like an unforced error.

What's especially annoying is your tendency to assume things without having any evidence whatsoever as to why they happened, and then blame it on the coaching staff 90 percent of the time.

Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 03:47:45 PM

Quote from: abmarks on November 03, 2025, 06:35:28 AM

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 10:58:40 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on November 02, 2025, 10:10:01 PM

Quote from: BearLover on November 02, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWell that really sullied a good weekend. WTF

Only if you let it. I'm confident we'll continue to recruit very well despite it all.

The recruiting is looking pretty sketchy at the moment. The Pelletier thing is especially annoying because it seems like an unforced error.

What's especially annoying is your tendency to assume things without having any evidence whatsoever as to why they happened, and then blame it on the coaching staff 90 percent of the time.

Either he is 12 and trolling for attention or he was raised by Stephen A. and those imbeciles and doesn't know any better.

Either way, just ignore him.  If you have ever suffered through a game thread on social media you realize 75% of any fan base are howler monkeys.  There is no point engaging.

Quote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 04:10:03 PMYawn. In this case it seems likely that the coaching staff actually messed up. You can try to spin it however you like or dismiss it as speculation (of course it's speculation! I don't work for the hockey team and I'm posting on a fan forum!), but the fact remains he could have been brought in for this season and wasn't, and had he been brought in he'd be playing for Cornell right now instead of committing to BC. Sorry if it offends the people on here to posit these things. chimpfood said the same thing and then a bunch of people who don't closely follow recruiting reassembled the Coaching Staff Defense Squad.

Quote from: ugarte on November 04, 2025, 04:27:26 PMIn this case i'm with BL. "We don't know his reasons" is something for church. the rest of us base our opinions on what we can see

Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: ugarte on November 04, 2025, 04:27:26 PMIn this case i'm with BL. "We don't know his reasons" is something for church. the rest of us base our opinions on what we can see

OK, but what do we see?  Only a single fact.  We know nothing behind it.  So if the coaching staff is at fault for losing guys then it is equally to their credit when we steal guys.  Thus, they are doing fine.

Now, I see no universe in which it is reasonable to assume the coaching staff is responsible for any of these changes of player heart, but even if we posit that then our staff is still doing fine.

Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: ugarte on November 04, 2025, 04:27:26 PMIn this case i'm with BL. "We don't know his reasons" is something for church. the rest of us base our opinions on what we can see

OK, but what do we see?  Only a single fact.  We know nothing behind it.  So if the coaching staff is at fault for losing guys then it is equally to their credit when we steal guys.  Thus, they are doing fine.

Quote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 04:49:11 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: ugarte on November 04, 2025, 04:27:26 PMIn this case i'm with BL. "We don't know his reasons" is something for church. the rest of us base our opinions on what we can see

OK, but what do we see?  Only a single fact.  We know nothing behind it.  So if the coaching staff is at fault for losing guys then it is equally to their credit when we steal guys.  Thus, they are doing fine.

Now, I see no universe in which it is reasonable to assume the coaching staff is responsible for any of these changes of player heart, but even if we posit that then our staff is still doing fine.

"Coaching staff makes one mistake" does not equate to "coaching staff sucks."

There is ALWAYS the risk of a change of player heart when you don't bring guys to campus. Ergo, you bring guys to campus when they're ready to contribute to your team, else you might lose them to a change of heart, change in family economics, whatever. We had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't. One can reasonably blame the coaching staff for misevaluating Pelletier's readiness and not bringing him to campus. That's very different from blaming the coaching staff for the player experiencing a change of heart.

Quote from: Jim Hyla on November 06, 2025, 10:14:33 AM

Quote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 04:49:11 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: ugarte on November 04, 2025, 04:27:26 PMIn this case i'm with BL. "We don't know his reasons" is something for church. the rest of us base our opinions on what we can see

OK, but what do we see?  Only a single fact.  We know nothing behind it.  So if the coaching staff is at fault for losing guys then it is equally to their credit when we steal guys.  Thus, they are doing fine.

Now, I see no universe in which it is reasonable to assume the coaching staff is responsible for any of these changes of player heart, but even if we posit that then our staff is still doing fine.

"Coaching staff makes one mistake" does not equate to "coaching staff sucks."

There is ALWAYS the risk of a change of player heart when you don't bring guys to campus. Ergo, you bring guys to campus when they're ready to contribute to your team, else you might lose them to a change of heart, change in family economics, whatever. We had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't. One can reasonably blame the coaching staff for misevaluating Pelletier's readiness and not bringing him to campus. That's very different from blaming the coaching staff for the player experiencing a change of heart.

I haven't followed his recruiting closely, but you keep saying that we didn't bring him in. Do you know that for a fact? Could there have been some academic issues? Do we know that he wanted to come this year? As was said by someone, did he think it might have been good to wait a year and see what other prospects might open up? Might he have thought waiting might open more monetary opportunities?

I have multiple questions that I don't have answers to, so I don't make declarative statements. Maybe these have been answered and I missed them, but maybe we don't know who made the decision not to come, CU or the player.

Quote from: Jim Hyla on November 06, 2025, 10:14:33 AM

Quote from: BearLover on November 04, 2025, 04:49:11 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: ugarte on November 04, 2025, 04:27:26 PMIn this case i'm with BL. "We don't know his reasons" is something for church. the rest of us base our opinions on what we can see

OK, but what do we see?  Only a single fact.  We know nothing behind it.  So if the coaching staff is at fault for losing guys then it is equally to their credit when we steal guys.  Thus, they are doing fine.

Now, I see no universe in which it is reasonable to assume the coaching staff is responsible for any of these changes of player heart, but even if we posit that then our staff is still doing fine.

"Coaching staff makes one mistake" does not equate to "coaching staff sucks."

There is ALWAYS the risk of a change of player heart when you don't bring guys to campus. Ergo, you bring guys to campus when they're ready to contribute to your team, else you might lose them to a change of heart, change in family economics, whatever. We had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't. One can reasonably blame the coaching staff for misevaluating Pelletier's readiness and not bringing him to campus. That's very different from blaming the coaching staff for the player experiencing a change of heart.

I haven't followed his recruiting closely, but you keep saying that we didn't bring him in. Do you know that for a fact? Could there have been some academic issues? Do we know that he wanted to come this year? As was said by someone, did he think it might have been good to wait a year and see what other prospects might open up? Might he have thought waiting might open more monetary opportunities?

I have multiple questions that I don't have answers to, so I don't make declarative statements. Maybe these have been answered and I missed them, but maybe we don't know who made the decision not to come, CU or the player.

Quote from: BearLover on November 06, 2025, 08:34:24 PMI am speculating. You can ignore it <snip>

Quote from: BearLover on November 14, 2025, 02:07:24 PMPelletier won USHL player of the week for like the fifth week in a row. I don't know how we managed to screw this up.
*coaching staff defense squad assembles*

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Quote from: BearLover on November 14, 2025, 02:07:24 PMPelletier won USHL player of the week for like the fifth week in a row. I don't know how we managed to screw this up.
*coaching staff defense squad assembles*

neither does anyone else, or if they screwed up at all! nobody is defending anyone but we've also moved on. he isn't coming.

Quote from: Trotsky on November 14, 2025, 03:21:31 PMSouthern schools have hookers on the cheer squad for the school visit.  Just sayin'.

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/crime/entire-college-cheer-squad-suspended-after-prostitution-accusation/93-428172071

< thinks about the consequences of admission scores >

Just give em cash.

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Quote from: Trotsky on November 14, 2025, 03:21:31 PMSouthern schools have hookers on the cheer squad for the school visit.  Just sayin'.

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/crime/entire-college-cheer-squad-suspended-after-prostitution-accusation/93-428172071

< thinks about the consequences of admission scores >

Just give em cash.

I'll admit that I was a clueless nerd in high school.  I'd scored quite well on the standardized tests, as did we all who made it to Cornell, and I received lots of mailings from colleges.  The one that really baffled me was a big picture postcard from some southern school showing a row of coeds in bathing suits sitting on a diving board at a swimming pool.  The words on the other side were as skimpy as the bathing suits, and included no mention of the academic program.  Since the education was why I planned to go to college, I just didn't grasp the point of the postcard. 

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Quote from: ugarte on November 04, 2025, 04:27:26 PMIn this case i'm with BL. "We don't know his reasons" is something for church. the rest of us base our opinions on what we can see

OK, but what do we see?  Only a single fact.  We know nothing behind it.  So if the coaching staff is at fault for losing guys then it is equally to their credit when we steal guys.  Thus, they are doing fine.

Now, I see no universe in which it is reasonable to assume the coaching staff is responsible for any of these changes of player heart, but even if we posit that then our staff is still doing fine.

"Coaching staff makes one mistake" does not equate to "coaching staff sucks."

There is ALWAYS the risk of a change of player heart when you don't bring guys to campus. Ergo, you bring guys to campus when they're ready to contribute to your team, else you might lose them to a change of heart, change in family economics, whatever. We had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't. One can reasonably blame the coaching staff for misevaluating Pelletier's readiness and not bringing him to campus. That's very different from blaming the coaching staff for the player experiencing a change of heart.

I haven't followed his recruiting closely, but you keep saying that we didn't bring him in. Do you know that for a fact? Could there have been some academic issues? Do we know that he wanted to come this year? As was said by someone, did he think it might have been good to wait a year and see what other prospects might open up? Might he have thought waiting might open more monetary opportunities?

I have multiple questions that I don't have answers to, so I don't make declarative statements. Maybe these have been answered and I missed them, but maybe we don't know who made the decision not to come, CU or the player.

No, I don't have those answers. I'm speculating. I already said as much. But the speculation  is pretty reasonable in this case, IMO.
1. Most (not all, but I believe a substantial majority of) players want to get to college ASAP. Particularly when you're already 20.
2. Given he graduated high school two years ago, it is extremely unlikely there are academic issues because he is not involved in academics at all currently.
3. I find it very unlikely a 19-y/o who had 37 points in 60 USHL games thought he would blow up the next season and get a big financial reward. (I doubt he even is getting a real financial reward aside from a scholarship.)

So, as is usually the case on a hockey forum when a poster is not himself associated with the team, I am speculating. You can ignore it or push back on it or agree with it, but I don't agree with launching into a diatribe on speculating in the first place.

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Quote from: ugarte on November 04, 2025, 04:27:26 PMIn this case i'm with BL. "We don't know his reasons" is something for church. the rest of us base our opinions on what we can see

OK, but what do we see?  Only a single fact.  We know nothing behind it.  So if the coaching staff is at fault for losing guys then it is equally to their credit when we steal guys.  Thus, they are doing fine.

Now, I see no universe in which it is reasonable to assume the coaching staff is responsible for any of these changes of player heart, but even if we posit that then our staff is still doing fine.

"Coaching staff makes one mistake" does not equate to "coaching staff sucks."

There is ALWAYS the risk of a change of player heart when you don't bring guys to campus. Ergo, you bring guys to campus when they're ready to contribute to your team, else you might lose them to a change of heart, change in family economics, whatever. We had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't. One can reasonably blame the coaching staff for misevaluating Pelletier's readiness and not bringing him to campus. That's very different from blaming the coaching staff for the player experiencing a change of heart.

I haven't followed his recruiting closely, but you keep saying that we didn't bring him in. Do you know that for a fact? Could there have been some academic issues? Do we know that he wanted to come this year? As was said by someone, did he think it might have been good to wait a year and see what other prospects might open up? Might he have thought waiting might open more monetary opportunities?

I have multiple questions that I don't have answers to, so I don't make declarative statements. Maybe these have been answered and I missed them, but maybe we don't know who made the decision not to come, CU or the player.

No, I don't have those answers. I'm speculating. I already said as much. But the speculation  is pretty reasonable in this case, IMO.
1. Most (not all, but I believe a substantial majority of) players want to get to college ASAP. Particularly when you're already 20.
2. Given he graduated high school two years ago, it is extremely unlikely there are academic issues because he is not involved in academics at all currently.
3. I find it very unlikely a 19-y/o who had 37 points in 60 USHL games thought he would blow up the next season and get a big financial reward. (I doubt he even is getting a real financial reward aside from a scholarship.)

So, as is usually the case on a hockey forum when a poster is not himself associated with the team, I am speculating. You can ignore it or push back on it or agree with it, but I don't agree with launching into a diatribe on speculating in the first place.

Sorry that I phrased it so you could interpret my post as a diatribe. My intent was to point out that we don't know the reason for him not coming and yet you definitively blamed the coaching staff without any knowledge to support that.

You make declarative statements like "We had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't." &  "I don't know how we managed to screw this up."

With those statements you don't speculate, you declare.

My point is don't make declarative statements unless you know something for a fact, or at least close to a fact. There are ways to discuss your opinions that are not be declarative.

Something such as "I wonder why we didn't..." or "It seems like a mistake to not have him here." That would show your opinion without looking like you know the reason.

Quote from: Trotsky on November 25, 2025, 10:41:13 AMTo be fair to BearLover (throws up in mouth a little), I will frequently omit the implicit "In my opinion," which prefaces nearly everything I write on social media.

I typically assume posters are bloviating, not truth speaking.  Nobody here actually knows anything.  Except Arthur.  Arthur knows everything.  And one reason he knows everything is people know he doesn't talk about it.

Quote from: Trotsky on November 25, 2025, 10:41:13 AMTo be fair to BearLover (throws up in mouth a little), I will frequently omit the implicit "In my opinion," which prefaces nearly everything I write on social media.

I typically assume posters are bloviating, not truth speaking.  Nobody here actually knows anything.  Except Arthur.  Arthur knows everything.  And one reason he knows everything is people know he doesn't talk about it.

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Quote from: Trotsky on November 25, 2025, 10:41:13 AMTo be fair to BearLover (throws up in mouth a little), I will frequently omit the implicit "In my opinion," which prefaces nearly everything I write on social media.

I typically assume posters are bloviating, not truth speaking.  Nobody here actually knows anything.  Except Arthur.  Arthur knows everything.  And one reason he knows everything is people know he doesn't talk about it.

Yes, I try to couch my posts with "it seems," "IMO," etc. to convey lack of certainty, but I really shouldn't need to. This is an Internet forum of people bullshitting. I am not issuing press releases on behalf of Cornell hockey.

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Quote from: Trotsky on November 25, 2025, 10:41:13 AMTo be fair to BearLover (throws up in mouth a little), I will frequently omit the implicit "In my opinion," which prefaces nearly everything I write on social media.

I typically assume posters are bloviating, not truth speaking.  Nobody here actually knows anything.  Except Arthur.  Arthur knows everything.  And one reason he knows everything is people know he doesn't talk about it.

Yes, I try to couch my posts with "it seems," "IMO," etc. to convey lack of certainty, but I really shouldn't need to. This is an Internet forum of people bullshitting. I am not issuing press releases on behalf of Cornell hockey.

Yes.

Though when you say things like "We had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't." that is a fact pattern with a truth value.  Did we have an opportunity?  How do you know?  If not then your whole statement falls apart.  "If we had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't, then we fucked up." is the more semantically correct sentence, and if that is what you are conveying it really should not be up to me to perform the calculation in my head to get your meaning.

Quote from: chimpfood on November 25, 2025, 01:07:24 PMWe should also appreciate the fact that one of our top pair defenseman was acquired via poaching. We're not only suffering from this, we've had our wins too.

Quote from: chimpfood on November 25, 2025, 01:07:24 PMWe should also appreciate the fact that one of our top pair defenseman was acquired via poaching. We're not only suffering from this, we've had our wins too.

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Quote from: BearLover on November 25, 2025, 11:07:11 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on November 25, 2025, 10:41:13 AMTo be fair to BearLover (throws up in mouth a little), I will frequently omit the implicit "In my opinion," which prefaces nearly everything I write on social media.

I typically assume posters are bloviating, not truth speaking.  Nobody here actually knows anything.  Except Arthur.  Arthur knows everything.  And one reason he knows everything is people know he doesn't talk about it.

Yes, I try to couch my posts with "it seems," "IMO," etc. to convey lack of certainty, but I really shouldn't need to. This is an Internet forum of people bullshitting. I am not issuing press releases on behalf of Cornell hockey.

Yes.

Though when you say things like "We had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't." that is a fact pattern with a truth value.  Did we have an opportunity?  How do you know?  If not then your whole statement falls apart.  "If we had an opportunity to bring this guy to campus, and we didn't, then we fucked up." is the more semantically correct sentence, and if that is what you are conveying it really should not be up to me to perform the calculation in my head to get your meaning.

Fine. I mean, I am making inferences here. But I think that's obvious. Also, as previously mentioned I believe these are very reasonable inferences. Pelletier was committed to Cornell for many months after the coaching staff decided on whom it was bringing in for this season. And it is the case for the vast majority of recruits, particularly those who are 20 years old, that they want to get to campus sooner rather than later. Ergo, I am confident that Cornell could have told him to come this past Spring, and he would have. Am I certain? No. But seems very likely. Anyway, fair enough, I'll use the "if...then" disclaimer next time for clarity.

Quote from: Chris H82 on November 25, 2025, 07:26:18 PM.... it becomes ping-pong, not a debate, and not everyone keeps their cool.

Quote from: BearLover on December 03, 2025, 09:46:34 AMOne reason I brought up Cournoyer's late recruitment/bringing in a fourth goaltender is that one concern I had with Casey was the level of turnover of his teams at Clarkson. Many players would transfer in or out each season, and they had some high profile decommitments. Contrast with Cornell under Schafer, which rarely saw any players leave or decommit.

Continuity is a plus. Earlier in this thread some criticized my worry, arguing that a coach should build the best hockey team, even if it pisses off some players. My issue is that there's a long run cost to the short term fix of bringing in a player to replace another one.

To illustrate, consider Emmett Croteau. He currently has a .970 sv% for 8-0 Dartmouth (this number will obviously come down somewhat). Casey recruited him to Clarkson and he arrived as a Canadiens draft pick. He struggled his freshman year, and Casey brought in a grad transfer goalie for the following season. Croteau responded by transferring to Dartmouth.

Clarkson isn't unique in its high player turnover. Rather, Cornell is unique in its low player turnover. But we've already seen more turnover at Cornell than usual in Casey's first year (Robertson transferring out, two transfers brought in, late recruitment of our starting goalie, the leading scorer in the USHL decommit). Some of this may be due to the coaching change, and will settle down. I'm a little concerned about the precedent this is setting, though.

To preempt the nonsense I know is coming from the four is so posters who never post anything substantive but who log on just to criticize me, let me be clear:
*I am expressing a concern about Cornell Hockey on a Cornell Hockey forum.
*That does not mean the concern will come true.
*The fact that the future is uncertain does not make it illegal to express concern.
*There is precedent for high profile recruits decommitting under Schafer, but they are few and far between. I think the most recent one was Alex Limoges in 2017.
*As mentioned earlier, Clarkson's high turnover was not unique to them. It's likely harder to retain players and recruits at a non-Ivy. But was have seen increased turnover so far, thus my concern.
*Clarkson lost some top recruits to blue bloods like BC, and top players to HE schools like Northeastern via the portal.  While lesser hockey schools may have a difficult time retaining these players, if Cornell wants to compete nationally we NEED to retain these players.
*I'm overall impressed with Casey and Cournoyer. That does not make it illegal to express a concern, even if the overall package of the current Cornell Hockey team and staff is a good one.
*This is now the 9th bullet point clarifying something that should always have always been perfectly clear: one can hold nuanced views about teams, coaches, and players. To say one negative thing does not make one a hater of the coach, team, or player. The real haters on here are the four of you who respond to every one of my posts with vitriol and personal insults (and contribute nothing to the conversation).

Quote from: Beeeej on December 03, 2025, 09:50:06 AMPoopyhead.

Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 09:40:53 PMDec keeps balling. 4 points tonight

Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 11:08:46 PMMeh, CHL players haven't been hugely successful for the most part. I still would take a USHL point per game player over a CHL one

Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 11:08:46 PMMeh, CHL players haven't been hugely successful for the most part. I still would take a USHL point per game player over a CHL one

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Dec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft. Given his big numbers in AAA I was hopeful Henry Major would produce like Charlie did with the Chicago Steel but that hasn't happened. Not sure if late CHL recruits like Cournoyer are in the cards but the staff needs to step it up, I'm definitely not content with the pipeline right now.

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Dec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft. Given his big numbers in AAA I was hopeful Henry Major would produce like Charlie did with the Chicago Steel but that hasn't happened. Not sure if late CHL recruits like Cournoyer are in the cards but the staff needs to step it up, I'm definitely not content with the pipeline right now.

Henry seems to be doing fine. He's a year ahead of Charlie in his progression. He's on track to double Charlie's production as a comparable 18yo. Charlie blew up as a 19yo; Alex blew up as a 20yo. Of course teams are different, linemates are different, maturity rates are different, so comparing stats isn't going to offer us much more than conversation points.

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Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 09:40:53 PMDec keeps balling. 4 points tonight

Dec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft. Given his big numbers in AAA I was hopeful Henry Major would produce like Charlie did with the Chicago Steel but that hasn't happened. Not sure if late CHL recruits like Cournoyer are in the cards but the staff needs to step it up, I'm definitely not content with the pipeline right now.

Henry seems to be doing fine. He's a year ahead of Charlie in his progression. He's on track to double Charlie's production as a comparable 18yo. Charlie blew up as a 19yo; Alex blew up as a 20yo. Of course teams are different, linemates are different, maturity rates are different, so comparing stats isn't going to offer us much more than conversation points.

Is this really the case though? Looks to me like just a 6 month difference, with Henry's birthday in April and Charlie's in September. I'm comparing both in their second year of USHL with the Steel. AFAICT I'm comparing the same year of development. Both would be 19 when their junior career ends/when they matriculate, unless Henry goes back for another year.

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Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 09:40:53 PMDec keeps balling. 4 points tonight

Dec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft. Given his big numbers in AAA I was hopeful Henry Major would produce like Charlie did with the Chicago Steel but that hasn't happened. Not sure if late CHL recruits like Cournoyer are in the cards but the staff needs to step it up, I'm definitely not content with the pipeline right now.

Henry seems to be doing fine. He's a year ahead of Charlie in his progression. He's on track to double Charlie's production as a comparable 18yo. Charlie blew up as a 19yo; Alex blew up as a 20yo. Of course teams are different, linemates are different, maturity rates are different, so comparing stats isn't going to offer us much more than conversation points.

Is this really the case though? Looks to me like just a 6 month difference, with Henry's birthday in April and Charlie's in September. I'm comparing both in their second year of USHL with the Steel. AFAICT I'm comparing the same year of development. Both would be 19 when their junior career ends/when they matriculate, unless Henry goes back for another year.

I'm looking at it as Henry went from U16 to the USHL while Charlie spent a year at U18 and then went to the USHL. There is no doubt that Charlie's 2nd year with Chicago saw a much bigger jump in production than Henry's has seen so far. Charlie had the benefit of being older and having an extra year of development. It may have benefited Henry more to have spent last year at BK Selects with the U18s where he would have received a lot of ice time, but he stepped up a level and let's hope that pays off for him in the future. I think Charlie was 20 when he first played for Cornell and if Henry comes in next season he would turn 20 at the end of his freshman season, if my math is correct. I don't know if it's a big deal.

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Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 09:40:53 PMDec keeps balling. 4 points tonight

Dec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft. Given his big numbers in AAA I was hopeful Henry Major would produce like Charlie did with the Chicago Steel but that hasn't happened. Not sure if late CHL recruits like Cournoyer are in the cards but the staff needs to step it up, I'm definitely not content with the pipeline right now.

Henry seems to be doing fine. He's a year ahead of Charlie in his progression. He's on track to double Charlie's production as a comparable 18yo. Charlie blew up as a 19yo; Alex blew up as a 20yo. Of course teams are different, linemates are different, maturity rates are different, so comparing stats isn't going to offer us much more than conversation points.

Is this really the case though? Looks to me like just a 6 month difference, with Henry's birthday in April and Charlie's in September. I'm comparing both in their second year of USHL with the Steel. AFAICT I'm comparing the same year of development. Both would be 19 when their junior career ends/when they matriculate, unless Henry goes back for another year.

I'm looking at it as Henry went from U16 to the USHL while Charlie spent a year at U18 and then went to the USHL. There is no doubt that Charlie's 2nd year with Chicago saw a much bigger jump in production than Henry's has seen so far. Charlie had the benefit of being older and having an extra year of development. It may have benefited Henry more to have spent last year at BK Selects with the U18s where he would have received a lot of ice time, but he stepped up a level and let's hope that pays off for him in the future. I think Charlie was 20 when he first played for Cornell and if Henry comes in next season he would turn 20 at the end of his freshman season, if my math is correct. I don't know if it's a big deal.

Fair enough. It will be interesting to see if he plays another year of junior hockey.

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Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 09:40:53 PMDec keeps balling. 4 points tonight

Dec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft. Given his big numbers in AAA I was hopeful Henry Major would produce like Charlie did with the Chicago Steel but that hasn't happened. Not sure if late CHL recruits like Cournoyer are in the cards but the staff needs to step it up, I'm definitely not content with the pipeline right now.

Henry seems to be doing fine. He's a year ahead of Charlie in his progression. He's on track to double Charlie's production as a comparable 18yo. Charlie blew up as a 19yo; Alex blew up as a 20yo. Of course teams are different, linemates are different, maturity rates are different, so comparing stats isn't going to offer us much more than conversation points.

Is this really the case though? Looks to me like just a 6 month difference, with Henry's birthday in April and Charlie's in September. I'm comparing both in their second year of USHL with the Steel. AFAICT I'm comparing the same year of development. Both would be 19 when their junior career ends/when they matriculate, unless Henry goes back for another year.

I'm looking at it as Henry went from U16 to the USHL while Charlie spent a year at U18 and then went to the USHL. There is no doubt that Charlie's 2nd year with Chicago saw a much bigger jump in production than Henry's has seen so far. Charlie had the benefit of being older and having an extra year of development. It may have benefited Henry more to have spent last year at BK Selects with the U18s where he would have received a lot of ice time, but he stepped up a level and let's hope that pays off for him in the future. I think Charlie was 20 when he first played for Cornell and if Henry comes in next season he would turn 20 at the end of his freshman season, if my math is correct. I don't know if it's a big deal.

Fair enough. It will be interesting to see if he plays another year of junior hockey.

It would be nice to see them play together for a couple years.

Sister Cora looks to be having a strong year at Northwood School. She might be the best of the 3: As a 16yo defenseman, 36-11-26-37 (tel:36-11-26-37).

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Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 09:40:53 PMDec keeps balling. 4 points tonight

Dec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft. Given his big numbers in AAA I was hopeful Henry Major would produce like Charlie did with the Chicago Steel but that hasn't happened. Not sure if late CHL recruits like Cournoyer are in the cards but the staff needs to step it up, I'm definitely not content with the pipeline right now.

Henry seems to be doing fine. He's a year ahead of Charlie in his progression. He's on track to double Charlie's production as a comparable 18yo. Charlie blew up as a 19yo; Alex blew up as a 20yo. Of course teams are different, linemates are different, maturity rates are different, so comparing stats isn't going to offer us much more than conversation points.

Is this really the case though? Looks to me like just a 6 month difference, with Henry's birthday in April and Charlie's in September. I'm comparing both in their second year of USHL with the Steel. AFAICT I'm comparing the same year of development. Both would be 19 when their junior career ends/when they matriculate, unless Henry goes back for another year.

I'm looking at it as Henry went from U16 to the USHL while Charlie spent a year at U18 and then went to the USHL. There is no doubt that Charlie's 2nd year with Chicago saw a much bigger jump in production than Henry's has seen so far. Charlie had the benefit of being older and having an extra year of development. It may have benefited Henry more to have spent last year at BK Selects with the U18s where he would have received a lot of ice time, but he stepped up a level and let's hope that pays off for him in the future. I think Charlie was 20 when he first played for Cornell and if Henry comes in next season he would turn 20 at the end of his freshman season, if my math is correct. I don't know if it's a big deal.

Fair enough. It will be interesting to see if he plays another year of junior hockey.

It would be nice to see them play together for a couple years.

Sister Cora looks to be having a strong year at Northwood School. She might be the best of the 3: As a 16yo defenseman, 36-11-26-37 (tel:36-11-26-37).

Oh, right. I wasn't even thinking of that. Yeah, I expect he'll be on campus next fall.

Might Cora come to Cornell?

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Quote from: chimpfood on December 06, 2025, 11:08:46 PMMeh, CHL players haven't been hugely successful for the most part. I still would take a USHL point per game player over a CHL one

Depends where you look. CHN recently had an article that the top 3 scorers in college are from the CHL.

Quote from: BearLover on December 06, 2025, 09:51:06 PMDec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft.

Quote from: Trotsky on December 11, 2025, 03:05:41 AMI think we missed this guy (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/987170/nolan-long), or anyway I don't recall him.

Nolan Long
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Mono, ON

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Quote from: BearLover on December 06, 2025, 09:51:06 PMDec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft.

TBRW list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Of these you are saying Dec is the only one who may be drafted?

Quote from: BearLover on December 11, 2025, 11:20:13 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 11, 2025, 03:23:05 AM

Quote from: BearLover on December 06, 2025, 09:51:06 PMDec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft.

TBRW list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Of these you are saying Dec is the only one who may be drafted?

I don't think Dec will be drafted because he's 5'9 and was passed over in the 2025 draft. NHL central scouting ranked Cole Tuminaro and Charlie Puglisi as potential late round picks, so they seemingly have the best shot. I thought Cole Emerson might have a chance too but he didn't make the rankings.  NHL scouts really value size, especially when
 it comes to defensemen.

Quote from: BearLover on December 11, 2025, 11:20:13 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 11, 2025, 03:23:05 AM

Quote from: BearLover on December 06, 2025, 09:51:06 PMDec looks good. Overall though the recruits are not producing much. We are on track for 0 or 1 players taken in this year's NHL draft.

TBRW list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Of these you are saying Dec is the only one who may be drafted?

I don't think Dec will be drafted because he's 5'9 and was passed over in the 2025 draft. NHL central scouting ranked Cole Tuminaro and Charlie Puglisi as potential late round picks, so they seemingly have the best shot. I thought Cole Emerson might have a chance too but he didn't make the rankings.  NHL scouts really value size, especially when it comes to defensemen.

QuoteAt this point I am also going to guess that we lose two others, one or two of Walsh/Castagna/Fegaras

Quote from: Trotsky on December 13, 2025, 12:08:26 PM

QuoteAt this point I am also going to guess that we lose two others, one or two of Walsh/Castagna/Fegaras

I could be wrong (I know nothing, Jon Snow) but I don't see any of our Juniors moving up.  Perhaps Castagna, but I consider it a long (5%) shot after speaking with his parents.  They are sanguine on his chances to make the N.  They are no fools.  Ithaca is where he optimizes his future.  No doubt he'll try minor league hockey but as "hold on to 16 as long as you can," not career development.

IM (worthless) O, contemporary players have become savvy about the depredations of the Masters of the Game.  They understand they are coal shoveled into a fire to warm a few fat assholes' fat asses.

Quote from: BearLover on December 14, 2025, 02:38:47 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 13, 2025, 12:08:26 PM

QuoteAt this point I am also going to guess that we lose two others, one or two of Walsh/Castagna/Fegaras

I could be wrong (I know nothing, Jon Snow) but I don't see any of our Juniors moving up.  Perhaps Castagna, but I consider it a long (5%) shot after speaking with his parents.  They are sanguine on his chances to make the N.  They are no fools.  Ithaca is where he optimizes his future.  No doubt he'll try minor league hockey but as "hold on to 16 as long as you can," not career development.

IM (worthless) O, contemporary players have become savvy about the depredations of the Masters of the Game.  They understand they are coal shoveled into a fire to warm a few fat assholes' fat asses.

And what about when those players get offered half a million dollars? We'd be very lucky to have Walsh back next year.

Quote from: stereax on December 14, 2025, 08:46:07 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 14, 2025, 02:38:47 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 13, 2025, 12:08:26 PM

QuoteAt this point I am also going to guess that we lose two others, one or two of Walsh/Castagna/Fegaras

I could be wrong (I know nothing, Jon Snow) but I don't see any of our Juniors moving up.  Perhaps Castagna, but I consider it a long (5%) shot after speaking with his parents.  They are sanguine on his chances to make the N.  They are no fools.  Ithaca is where he optimizes his future.  No doubt he'll try minor league hockey but as "hold on to 16 as long as you can," not career development.

IM (worthless) O, contemporary players have become savvy about the depredations of the Masters of the Game.  They understand they are coal shoveled into a fire to warm a few fat assholes' fat asses.

And what about when those players get offered half a million dollars? We'd be very lucky to have Walsh back next year.

If Walsh wanted the money, he'd have moved in June or July.

Quote from: Trotsky on December 15, 2025, 01:47:51 PMKinda small for the NHL, isn't he?  I mean, we know he's great but they are very John Holmesy up there.

Edit: Nah, never mind.  Average NHL F is 6' 0.5" / 198.  Walshy is listed at 6' 1" / 195.  That'll play.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on December 15, 2025, 05:25:22 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 15, 2025, 01:47:51 PMKinda small for the NHL, isn't he?  I mean, we know he's great but they are very John Holmesy up there.

Edit: Nah, never mind.  Average NHL F is 6' 0.5" / 198.  Walshy is listed at 6' 1" / 195.  That'll play.

Took me a few seconds to figure out what John Holmes had to do with the NHL.

Quote from: Trotsky on December 15, 2025, 09:06:54 PM

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on December 15, 2025, 05:25:22 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 15, 2025, 01:47:51 PMKinda small for the NHL, isn't he?  I mean, we know he's great but they are very John Holmesy up there.

Edit: Nah, never mind.  Average NHL F is 6' 0.5" / 198.  Walshy is listed at 6' 1" / 195.  That'll play.

Took me a few seconds to figure out what John Holmes had to do with the NHL.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/313538/john-holmes

Quote from: stereax on December 16, 2025, 01:34:42 PM6'1" and 175..?

Quote from: BearLover on December 14, 2025, 02:38:47 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 13, 2025, 12:08:26 PM

QuoteAt this point I am also going to guess that we lose two others, one or two of Walsh/Castagna/Fegaras

I could be wrong (I know nothing, Jon Snow) but I don't see any of our Juniors moving up.  Perhaps Castagna, but I consider it a long (5%) shot after speaking with his parents.  They are sanguine on his chances to make the N.  They are no fools.  Ithaca is where he optimizes his future.  No doubt he'll try minor league hockey but as "hold on to 16 as long as you can," not career development.

IM (worthless) O, contemporary players have become savvy about the depredations of the Masters of the Game.  They understand they are coal shoveled into a fire to warm a few fat assholes' fat asses.

And what about when those players get offered half a million dollars? We'd be very lucky to have Walsh back next year.

Quote from: Jim Hyla on December 18, 2025, 03:28:09 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 14, 2025, 02:38:47 AM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 13, 2025, 12:08:26 PM

QuoteAt this point I am also going to guess that we lose two others, one or two of Walsh/Castagna/Fegaras

I could be wrong (I know nothing, Jon Snow) but I don't see any of our Juniors moving up.  Perhaps Castagna, but I consider it a long (5%) shot after speaking with his parents.  They are sanguine on his chances to make the N.  They are no fools.  Ithaca is where he optimizes his future.  No doubt he'll try minor league hockey but as "hold on to 16 as long as you can," not career development.

IM (worthless) O, contemporary players have become savvy about the depredations of the Masters of the Game.  They understand they are coal shoveled into a fire to warm a few fat assholes' fat asses.

And what about when those players get offered half a million dollars? We'd be very lucky to have Walsh back next year.

Not likely he'd make that playing in the AHL.

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:04:21 PMWeren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

Quote from: Trotsky on December 18, 2025, 04:14:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:04:21 PMWeren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:26:41 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 18, 2025, 04:14:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:04:21 PMWeren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

Quote from: stereax on December 18, 2025, 04:51:44 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:26:41 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 18, 2025, 04:14:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:04:21 PMWeren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

Nope. Checked on PuckPedia. Here. (https://puckpedia.com/player/dalton-bancroft)

It's an ELC, so they're kind of limited in how much they can guarantee a player. Plus, Bancroft is making 98000 in signing bonus. 85000 is his minors salary. If he plays 5 games with the NHL Bruins, he gets a performance bonus of 25000. (Plus the pro-rated NHL salary for that point.)

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 05:15:26 PM

Quote from: stereax on December 18, 2025, 04:51:44 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:26:41 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 18, 2025, 04:14:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:04:21 PMWeren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

Nope. Checked on PuckPedia. Here. (https://puckpedia.com/player/dalton-bancroft)

It's an ELC, so they're kind of limited in how much they can guarantee a player. Plus, Bancroft is making 98000 in signing bonus. 85000 is his minors salary. If he plays 5 games with the NHL Bruins, he gets a performance bonus of 25000. (Plus the pro-rated NHL salary for that point.)

Thanks. So he gets 85K plus the 97.5K signing bonus if he spends the entire year in the AHL (likely)? Or is the signing bonus prorated too? It's unfortunate for him that he left Cornell, he has 1 assist and 0 goals through 16 AHL games and I think that same contract would have been available after his senior year.

Quote from: Dafatone on December 18, 2025, 05:26:42 PMUnless he had some sort of horrifying injury, which is a risk.

Quote from: chimpfood on December 18, 2025, 04:25:29 PMLooks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 05:15:26 PM

Quote from: stereax on December 18, 2025, 04:51:44 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:26:41 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 18, 2025, 04:14:15 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 18, 2025, 04:04:21 PMWeren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

Nope. Checked on PuckPedia. Here. (https://puckpedia.com/player/dalton-bancroft)

It's an ELC, so they're kind of limited in how much they can guarantee a player. Plus, Bancroft is making 98000 in signing bonus. 85000 is his minors salary. If he plays 5 games with the NHL Bruins, he gets a performance bonus of 25000. (Plus the pro-rated NHL salary for that point.)

Thanks. So he gets 85K plus the 97.5K signing bonus if he spends the entire year in the AHL (likely)? Or is the signing bonus prorated too? It's unfortunate for him that he left Cornell, he has 1 assist and 0 goals through 16 AHL games and I think that same contract would have been available after his senior year.

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Quote from: chimpfood on December 18, 2025, 04:25:29 PMLooks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

former OSU recruit

Quote from: ursusminor on December 19, 2025, 01:10:15 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on December 18, 2025, 04:25:29 PMLooks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

former OSU recruit

Quote from: ugarte on December 19, 2025, 11:06:57 AM

Quote from: ursusminor on December 19, 2025, 01:10:15 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on December 18, 2025, 04:25:29 PMLooks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

former OSU recruit

they should have brought him in

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PMI know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PM... and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PM

Quote from: ugartethey should have brought him in

I know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, ...

Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PMI know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

Quote from: ugarte on December 19, 2025, 05:48:25 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PM... and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

i don't think it's unlikely though! i think it's fairly routine. on the other hand, what's kind of unbearable about belaboring this is that it assumes pelletier was offended he wasn't brought in OR that the analysis by hindsight is a reflection of anything other than bad luck.

the way i see it, Cornell didn't know Pelletier was about to break out like this. If anyone had known, we'd have brought him in and taken advantage of his leap. On the other hand, if he *hadn't* had a breakout year we wouldn't have lost him but he wouldn't be salivating over getting the guy having a breakout year.

Quote from: ugarte on December 19, 2025, 11:06:57 AM

Quote from: ursusminor on December 19, 2025, 01:10:15 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on December 18, 2025, 04:25:29 PMLooks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

former OSU recruit

they should have brought him in

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 05:50:46 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PMI know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

I could have not included the word since the probability of it being true is so high, I but decided to include it to throw a bone to the doubters.

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 06:00:39 PM

Quote from: ugarte on December 19, 2025, 05:48:25 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PM... and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

i don't think it's unlikely though! i think it's fairly routine. on the other hand, what's kind of unbearable about belaboring this is that it assumes pelletier was offended he wasn't brought in OR that the analysis by hindsight is a reflection of anything other than bad luck.

the way i see it, Cornell didn't know Pelletier was about to break out like this. If anyone had known, we'd have brought him in and taken advantage of his leap. On the other hand, if he *hadn't* had a breakout year we wouldn't have lost him but he wouldn't be salivating over getting the guy having a breakout year.

Yeah, the simplest explanation is also by far the most likely: the coaching staff misjudged what they had in Pelletier. This isn't a logical leap at all, as it comports with how hockey recruiting tends to work. Anyway, I've moved on but am happy to reopen this debate any time I get gently trolled on this topic.

Quote from: marty on December 19, 2025, 08:00:24 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 06:00:39 PM

Quote from: ugarte on December 19, 2025, 05:48:25 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PM... and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

i don't think it's unlikely though! i think it's fairly routine. on the other hand, what's kind of unbearable about belaboring this is that it assumes pelletier was offended he wasn't brought in OR that the analysis by hindsight is a reflection of anything other than bad luck.

the way i see it, Cornell didn't know Pelletier was about to break out like this. If anyone had known, we'd have brought him in and taken advantage of his leap. On the other hand, if he *hadn't* had a breakout year we wouldn't have lost him but he wouldn't be salivating over getting the guy having a breakout year.

Yeah, the simplest explanation is also by far the most likely: the coaching staff misjudged what they had in Pelletier. This isn't a logical leap at all, as it comports with how hockey recruiting tends to work. Anyway, I've moved on but am happy to reopen this debate any time I get gently trolled on this topic.

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Quote from: marty on December 19, 2025, 08:00:24 PMзделия капля стекла для

Translation please?

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Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PMI know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

I could have not included the word since the probability of it being true is so high, I but decided to include it to throw a bone to the doubters.

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 05:00:06 PMAlso, I want to add—-it's commendable how diplomatic Arend was about OSU, but that's some serious bullshit on the part of the school that things are more uncertain under the new landscape, therefore we can't guarantee you a spot, blah blah blah. Umm, you can certainly guarantee anybody a spot, what you're actually saying is "we'll take you unless we can find someone better." Which is not how a commitment works. Essentially, OSU reneged on their offer. Which happens all the time, sure, but they should call it what it is.

I want to reiterate that Arend looks like a fine player and seems like a good kid too. So no issues with us picking him up. But there's some serious bullshit being put out by schools these days. 

Quote from: adamw on December 20, 2025, 05:38:33 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 05:50:46 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PMI know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

I could have not included the word since the probability of it being true is so high, I but decided to include it to throw a bone to the doubters.

remember that part about saying things with certainty when you really don't have any, and how that is the issue, and not that you have are being persecuted for having opinions? yeah ... ah, nevermind FFS

Quote from: adamw on December 20, 2025, 05:41:43 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 05:00:06 PMAlso, I want to add—-it's commendable how diplomatic Arend was about OSU, but that's some serious bullshit on the part of the school that things are more uncertain under the new landscape, therefore we can't guarantee you a spot, blah blah blah. Umm, you can certainly guarantee anybody a spot, what you're actually saying is "we'll take you unless we can find someone better." Which is not how a commitment works. Essentially, OSU reneged on their offer. Which happens all the time, sure, but they should call it what it is.

I want to reiterate that Arend looks like a fine player and seems like a good kid too. So no issues with us picking him up. But there's some serious bullshit being put out by schools these days. 

The days of "Commitments" are over - both ways. Gone. Out the window.  So everyone might as well just get used to it.

Go look at the recruit list of all the teams. UMass, for example, has 30 players "committed" ... um, duh, that's not going to happen.  They are not alone. Most of the other big teams have 20+ players on their lists. They'll never all show up in a million years.  Some of it will the player's decision.  Some of it will be the school's decision.  At this point, that's the way the cookie crumbles, and everyone knows it.

At this point "we'll take you unless we can find someone better" - is basically exactly how it is working - both ways.

Quote from: BearLover on December 20, 2025, 06:55:32 PM

Quote from: adamw on December 20, 2025, 05:38:33 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 05:50:46 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on December 19, 2025, 05:35:19 PM

Quote from: BearLover on December 19, 2025, 04:25:30 PMI know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

I could have not included the word since the probability of it being true is so high, I but decided to include it to throw a bone to the doubters.

remember that part about saying things with certainty when you really don't have any, and how that is the issue, and not that you have are being persecuted for having opinions? yeah ... ah, nevermind FFS

I'm serious about this—don't you have better things to do with your time?

In this case, I think what I said is quite likely the case. Therefore, I said that. Confidence level depends on the particular case. Should be obvious.

Quote from: Trotsky on December 21, 2025, 02:03:49 PMIt could be we are more informed of early commits than before.

I suspect nothing has changed.  But then I believe nothing has changed in human affairs since we first swung down from the trees.

Quote from: BearLover on January 08, 2026, 11:28:07 AM...has anyone else noticed that our recruiting looks weaker than usual?
*ducks*

Quote from: chimpfood on January 08, 2026, 11:55:04 AM

Quote from: BearLover on January 08, 2026, 11:28:07 AM...has anyone else noticed that our recruiting looks weaker than usual?
*ducks*

Hard disagree

Quote from: BearLover on January 08, 2026, 12:05:48 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on January 08, 2026, 11:55:04 AM

Quote from: BearLover on January 08, 2026, 11:28:07 AM...has anyone else noticed that our recruiting looks weaker than usual?
*ducks*

Hard disagree

We have fewer players producing at a high clip in juniors, and more players not producing at all, than we typically do.

Also, grading on a slight scale because a flood of CHL players recently became available, meaning our recruiting should be improving.

Quote from: BearLover on January 08, 2026, 02:20:06 PMCornell currently has 17 committed players, which is a good amount. We don't typically decommit guys, so there isn't much room for more recruits. Of those 17, only Michael Dec, Cole Emerton, and Nolan Long stand out to me. There are a few young recruits who haven't started junior hockey yet, but most of our guys are in juniors and not producing much if at all.

Some of these kids may well blossom into good players, but on average this is definitely less production than I'm used to seeing.

Quote from: pfibiger on January 08, 2026, 05:56:13 PM

Quote from: BearLover on January 08, 2026, 02:20:06 PMCornell currently has 17 committed players, which is a good amount. We don't typically decommit guys, so there isn't much room for more recruits. Of those 17, only Michael Dec, Cole Emerton, and Nolan Long stand out to me. There are a few young recruits who haven't started junior hockey yet, but most of our guys are in juniors and not producing much if at all.

Some of these kids may well blossom into good players, but on average this is definitely less production than I'm used to seeing.

What are you used to seeing? This year is totally unprecedented. Our list of recruits is FULL of kids who are playing their first year of major junior hockey, not juniors. That's a totally different level of hockey and a different transition. What's considered good for a first year player in the Q? It's certainly not the same PPG as a second year in the BCHL. These kids aren't first round NHL talent who are expected to come in and light up major juniors.

I spot checked half a dozen kids playing major junior committed to Quinnipiac and it seems like the spread of production is pretty similar (without anyone producing like Dec).

Don't worry, though, I bought you a present:

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Quote from: Trotsky on January 08, 2026, 07:31:34 PMHe's good with people.

Quote from: Trotsky on January 08, 2026, 07:31:34 PMHe's good with people.

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Quote from: Trotsky on January 08, 2026, 07:31:34 PMHe's good with people.

This is exactly the type of post that is going to de-escalate the bickering on this forum. I ask that if you post something of no substance just to egg on another poster that you at least make it funny or original! But this post is so stupid that I just don't see the point  :'( 

Quote from: pfibiger on January 08, 2026, 08:36:34 PM

Quote from: BearLover on January 08, 2026, 08:32:22 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on January 08, 2026, 07:31:34 PMHe's good with people.

This is exactly the type of post that is going to de-escalate the bickering on this forum. I ask that if you post something of no substance just to egg on another poster that you at least make it funny or original! But this post is so stupid that I just don't see the point  :'( 

I made a dumb joke from Office Space. Trotsky kind of quoted the same character. Feels like pretty standard message board banter.

As for league performance -- the USHL is in a league of its own in juniors and maybe as good as the worst major junior league. This is a pretty interesting analysis of league performance:

https://hockey-graphs.com/2020/03/02/which-league-is-best/

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/tYm7O9e4K4TfH7t07pZY6XlENaS9sE234gKjME-uxGq7Q0SP_itT7R8o47pFzEyc_59MPcOscCJwbyowJL7vWYY8uZ9VBd5zAqY9ZXEJjU8MvvfixKf77-_nq2vNy_5Yx-SgpK7Y)

Quote from: The Rancor on January 08, 2026, 11:05:44 PMThere's an inverse relationship between how much BL talks about hockey and how much he understands it.

Quote from: chimpfood on January 09, 2026, 12:41:15 AMIf I was the one choosing I would send all of our best recruits to the USHL. It's older, plays the college hockey Friday/Saturday game schedule, and seems more similar to ECAC style hockey (structured and defensive).

The CHL schedule makes it harder for guys to get stronger during the season and the leagues overall are less focused on development and future success than the USHL is.

Quote from: stereax on January 09, 2026, 12:02:23 AMNCAA>CHL>USHL>BCHL/NAHL/OJHL/etc.

Quote from: BearLover on January 09, 2026, 01:01:41 AM

Quote from: stereax on January 09, 2026, 12:02:23 AMNCAA>CHL>USHL>BCHL/NAHL/OJHL/etc.

It's kind of nonsensical to say CHL>USHL when the CHL is comprised of three different leagues and one of those leagues is considered to be worse than the USHL.

The thread you linked to is full of posts like this one: "The Q has been a worse league than the USHL for at least five years now by just about every single metric."

Which brings me back to my original point (which I guess some people disputed for some reason): the USHL and CHL are comparable. If a recruit is producing zero points in the CHL, that is not a good sign.

Quote from: stereax on January 09, 2026, 01:03:58 AM

Quote from: BearLover on January 09, 2026, 01:01:41 AM

Quote from: stereax on January 09, 2026, 12:02:23 AMNCAA>CHL>USHL>BCHL/NAHL/OJHL/etc.

It's kind of nonsensical to say CHL>USHL when the CHL is comprised of three different leagues and one of those leagues is considered to be worse than the USHL.

The thread you linked to is full of posts like this one: "The Q has been a worse league than the USHL for at least five years now by just about every single metric."

Which brings me back to my original point (which I guess some people disputed for some reason): the USHL and CHL are comparable. If a recruit is producing zero points in the CHL, that is not a good sign.

And don't a bunch of our recruits come from leagues like the BCHL?

Quote from: stereax on January 09, 2026, 12:02:23 AMNCAA>CHL>USHL>BCHL/NAHL/OJHL/etc.

In CHL: OHL>WHL>QMJHL.

The Q is described by some of my prospect-watching friends as "fake French hockey", if that tells you what regard it's held in. It also has my favorite CHL team, which tells you what regard I hold it in. Here's (https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/qmjhl-vs-ushl.3020214/) a recent forum post about the junior leagues that's, imo, pretty accurate.

All that being said, the CHL is a different STYLE of hockey than the USHL. More physical for sure. I'm not sure how the scoring differs, but the disparity can be massive between the haves and have-nots. The Q gets up to crazy shit. The W and O are a lot stronger, though.

The US(HL) hasn't been producing as many top picks as even a year or three ago - the NTDP is not what it once was! A lot of the top picks go to the NCAA for their draft year.

All that being said, lack of scoring in the CHL is not AS big of an issue as the USHL, imo, especially for recruits that are 17 or 18 or whatever. And the fact that you're even getting CHL guys now is big. If they're getting regular reps in the CHL, you can bet they're probably a cut above the USHL guys, and several above other leagues.

Quote from: scoop85 on January 09, 2026, 08:07:08 AM

Quote from: stereax on January 09, 2026, 12:02:23 AMNCAA>CHL>USHL>BCHL/NAHL/OJHL/etc.

In CHL: OHL>WHL>QMJHL.

The Q is described by some of my prospect-watching friends as "fake French hockey", if that tells you what regard it's held in. It also has my favorite CHL team, which tells you what regard I hold it in. Here's (https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/qmjhl-vs-ushl.3020214/) a recent forum post about the junior leagues that's, imo, pretty accurate.

All that being said, the CHL is a different STYLE of hockey than the USHL. More physical for sure. I'm not sure how the scoring differs, but the disparity can be massive between the haves and have-nots. The Q gets up to crazy shit. The W and O are a lot stronger, though.

The US(HL) hasn't been producing as many top picks as even a year or three ago - the NTDP is not what it once was! A lot of the top picks go to the NCAA for their draft year.

All that being said, lack of scoring in the CHL is not AS big of an issue as the USHL, imo, especially for recruits that are 17 or 18 or whatever. And the fact that you're even getting CHL guys now is big. If they're getting regular reps in the CHL, you can bet they're probably a cut above the USHL guys, and several above other leagues.

Alexis Lafreniere would be the poster boy for how much weaker the Q is than the OHL or WHL.

Quote from: scoop85 on January 09, 2026, 08:07:08 AM

Quote from: stereax on January 09, 2026, 12:02:23 AMNCAA>CHL>USHL>BCHL/NAHL/OJHL/etc.

In CHL: OHL>WHL>QMJHL.

The Q is described by some of my prospect-watching friends as "fake French hockey", if that tells you what regard it's held in. It also has my favorite CHL team, which tells you what regard I hold it in. Here's (https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/qmjhl-vs-ushl.3020214/) a recent forum post about the junior leagues that's, imo, pretty accurate.

All that being said, the CHL is a different STYLE of hockey than the USHL. More physical for sure. I'm not sure how the scoring differs, but the disparity can be massive between the haves and have-nots. The Q gets up to crazy shit. The W and O are a lot stronger, though.

The US(HL) hasn't been producing as many top picks as even a year or three ago - the NTDP is not what it once was! A lot of the top picks go to the NCAA for their draft year.

All that being said, lack of scoring in the CHL is not AS big of an issue as the USHL, imo, especially for recruits that are 17 or 18 or whatever. And the fact that you're even getting CHL guys now is big. If they're getting regular reps in the CHL, you can bet they're probably a cut above the USHL guys, and several above other leagues.

Alexis Lafreniere would be the poster boy for how much weaker the Q is than the OHL or WHL.

Quote from: chimpfood on January 10, 2026, 12:33:16 AMWehmann and Arend have been hot recently, both older guys in their leagues so good to see the scoring still progressing. Emerton picked up a goal and Tuminaro also picked up an assist tonight.

Quote from: BearLover on January 11, 2026, 12:08:18 AMHenry Major traded by Chicago to Des Moines (one USHL team to another).

Quote from: BearLover on January 11, 2026, 12:08:18 AMHenry Major traded by Chicago to Des Moines (one USHL team to another).

Quote from: VIEWfromK on January 12, 2026, 07:56:19 AMThis is for the beyond category but there were two trees sitting next to me and my family who were on an official visit on Saturday.  They still have two years of high school and probably some juniors but these two guys will give Hilbrich a run for his money if they decide to come to Cornell. 

Quote from: scoop85 on January 12, 2026, 08:58:56 AM

Quote from: VIEWfromK on January 12, 2026, 07:56:19 AMThis is for the beyond category but there were two trees sitting next to me and my family who were on an official visit on Saturday.  They still have two years of high school and probably some juniors but these two guys will give Hilbrich a run for his money if they decide to come to Cornell. 

I know that recruits have to fit in visits when they can, but too bad they couldn't have come during one of the next two weekends when Lynah will be a bit more raucous.

Quote from: VIEWfromK on January 12, 2026, 10:12:02 AM

Quote from: scoop85 on January 12, 2026, 08:58:56 AM

Quote from: VIEWfromK on January 12, 2026, 07:56:19 AMThis is for the beyond category but there were two trees sitting next to me and my family who were on an official visit on Saturday.  They still have two years of high school and probably some juniors but these two guys will give Hilbrich a run for his money if they decide to come to Cornell. 

I know that recruits have to fit in visits when they can, but too bad they couldn't have come during one of the next two weekends when Lynah will be a bit more raucous.

I spoke to who I assume was the father and they were still impressed by the atmosphere despite the students mostly not being there.  Even at this level Lynah still brings it over any other building in the ECAC.

Quote from: abmarks on January 12, 2026, 10:43:43 PMI found the goalie for the class of ~2042.  Talk about a team player who stands up for the boys...in the offensive zone.

Goalie stretch pass is old news; this guy has introduced  the stretch missile-check.  Elite level blocker skills too.

Hogan, #23 in white.

https://x.com/i/status/2010152443511009657

Quote from: abmarks on January 12, 2026, 11:00:56 PMThe league is saying it was set up and maybe it was.  But there's a bunch of serious blows thrown around in the various videos where it didn't like WWE fakery.   Look at the goalies right hand with the blocker after the first takedown. Seemed more UFC than WWE.

Quote from: Trotsky on January 12, 2026, 10:52:23 PMIs anybody on the actual roster eligible or have all aged out?

Quote from: andyw2100I'll see if I can find and link to the better video.

Quote from: andyw2100 on January 12, 2026, 11:17:03 PM

Quote from: andyw2100I'll see if I can find and link to the better video.

I can't seem to find the other video. It's taken from very near the glass, and almost on the goal line, and starts with a puck that dribbles into the net. If anyone finds that one, please share.

Quote from: chimpfood on January 12, 2026, 11:14:10 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on January 12, 2026, 10:52:23 PMIs anybody on the actual roster eligible or have all aged out?

All too old

Good to see two of our guys on there, and many more likely just missed the cut, like Long, Dec, Emerton.

I'm especially encouraged by Tuminaro. I'm not gonna act like I've been watching Chicago steel games so I was slightly disappointed in his point production so far, but he must be damn good defensively to be ranked that high.

Quote from: stereax on January 21, 2026, 08:14:24 PMWe got a new commit! (https://x.com/i/status/2014137694557737450)

Nick Cirka, G, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). March '08. 6'3" and 170.

.873 in 18 games this year. 3.81 GAA. The Mooseheads aren't particularly good, and this kid is still young. [Their other goalie has a 3.56 GAA and a .890.]

Would not expect him next year. Maybe 27-28? Spends a year behind junior Courns and then takes the net if Cournoyer signs after 3 years, or 2 years behind Courns if he signs after 4 and Cirka takes the net as a junior himself. Could even come in 28-29, though - he'd still be 20 at the start of that school year. Then again, commitments tend to flip these days, so we'll see if he ends up being a member of the Big Red.

Article from 2024 about him. (https://www.saltwire.com/nova-scotia/halifax/sports-halifax/mooseheads-add-elite-16-year-old-goalie-pushing-a-veteran-out-of-the-picture)

Quote from: BearLover on February 17, 2026, 04:35:42 PMRecruits (in order of commitment date)
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The general conclusion is: TBD. Most of our recruits need a(nother) year in junior hockey. Not many jump off the page currently but most are young. Fortunately, unless a number of our current players leave early or transfer, we won't have many needs next year.

Given the USHL is a low scoring league and mostly on par with the CHL, I'm treating production in the USHL and CHL as roughly equivalent. For example, I'd like to see forwards approach a point per game (in either league) before matriculating. But that's also a function of age. If you're 18 with a point per game, you're likely getting drafted. If you're 20, it's less impressive but still pretty good. Prep school kids are tough to evaluate but being a points leader at an elite prep school like St. Andrews is strong.

Quote from: BearLover on February 17, 2026, 04:35:42 PMRecruits (in order of commitment date)

Tuminaro—looks like a big stay at home D, on NHL central scouting rankings so presumably ready to come next season. Not really producing but I guess that's not his game.

Dec—undersized 18 year old forward with over a point per game in OHL right now, which is very good. Should come next year.

Major—Charlie's 18 year old brother, similar build and position. Henry entered the USHL six months earlier than Charlie but hasn't produced like Charlie. Needs another year in juniors. Hopefully still has Charlie's upside.

Marmulak-19 year old forward producing under half a point per game in the QMJHL in his second year of juniors. Needs another year, but hopefully can dominate next year and then matriculate in 2027.

Broderick-18 year old forward ranked as the fourth best '07 NE prep school player by NeutralZone. That's definitely good but I believe most of the best prep players go off to play junior hockey before graduating. He should spend a year in juniors. Hopefully he follows the same trajectory as Ryan Walsh who also played all the way through prep school before blowing up in the USHL.

DiPlacido-St. Andrews senior D who has been producing more recently. Should spend next year in the OHL.

Peckham-rare Minnesota high school hockey recruit. He's a senior D at Edina High who should head to juniors after graduating high school. He hasn't really ever produced, and there are several D on his team producing more than him. So another stay at home D I would guess.

Ament-19 year old forward who hasn't produced in his first year in the WHL. Needs another year and hopefully will start scoring.

Emerton-17 year old D who is producing in the OHL, looks promising. Likely won't get drafted because he is only 5'10.

Wehmann-19 year old forward producing half a point per game in the WHL. Likely comes next year given this is his third year of junior hockey. Stats don't jump off the page but presumably the staff likes other elements that he brings.

Kirkwood-17 year old forward who hasn't produced much in his first year in the Q but hopefully will grow into a bigger role next season.

Dontigny-17 year old forward who has bounced around this year, QMJHL to BCHL and then finally back to the Q on a different team. Didn't produce at either of the prior stops but seems to finally be getting playing time (or at least is starting to produce).

Wotton-16 year old forward in the QMJHL who isn't producing but he's so young that he has lots of time to grow into a bigger role next year.

Puglisi-17 year old prep school forward who is dominating at his current home at the clip of 2 points per game. Ranked by NHL central scouting. If he gets drafted I suppose he'll come next year as a true freshman; otherwise he should play a year of juniors for seasoning.

Long-17 year old forward and Aiden's brother leading St. Andrews in scoring. Likely plays a year in the OHL before coming in 2027. Probably ends up similar to Aiden (which is a good thing).

Sullivan-16 year old D for St. Andrew's. Unlike his teammates DiPlacido and Long, he's only a junior so will grow into a bigger role next year. Bit of production this year which bodes well.

Arend-20 year old forward who OSU asked to explore other opportunities, but almost a point per game in the USHL is good. Hopefully his production isn't the result of him being bigger than the younger kids. He committed recently though so the coaching staff knows what they're getting.

Cirka-17 year old goalie rated by NHL central scouting. He's struggled this year in the QMJHL but he's 6'3 and young enough that the potential is there.


The general conclusion is: TBD. Most of our recruits need a(nother) year in junior hockey. Not many jump off the page currently but most are young. Fortunately, unless a number of our current players leave early or transfer, we won't have many needs next year.

Given the USHL is a low scoring league and mostly on par with the CHL, I'm treating production in the USHL and CHL as roughly equivalent. For example, I'd like to see forwards approach a point per game (in either league) before matriculating. But that's also a function of age. If you're 18 with a point per game, you're likely getting drafted. If you're 20, it's less impressive but still pretty good. Prep school kids are tough to evaluate but being a points leader at an elite prep school like St. Andrews is strong.

Quote from: BearLover on February 17, 2026, 06:40:39 PMugarte or someone must have DM'd all of you to be nice to me  :)

Quote from: Beeeej on February 17, 2026, 08:27:46 PM

Quote from: BearLover on February 17, 2026, 06:40:39 PMugarte or someone must have DM'd all of you to be nice to me  :)

Poopyhead.

Quote from: BearLover on February 17, 2026, 06:40:39 PMugarte or someone must have DM'd all of you to be nice to me  :)

Quote from: Trotsky on February 17, 2026, 06:08:14 PMThis is fantastic, thank you!  I do not know any of this, or have access and greatly appreciate all the information.

Quote from: stereax on February 17, 2026, 10:44:34 PM

Quote from: BearLover on February 17, 2026, 06:40:39 PMugarte or someone must have DM'd all of you to be nice to me  :)

When you're not banging the "TEAM SUCKS WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" drum, you actually tend to have (mostly) good insights, y'know. Credit where it's due.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 17, 2026, 08:48:54 PM

Quote from: Beeeej on February 17, 2026, 08:27:46 PM

Quote from: BearLover on February 17, 2026, 06:40:39 PMugarte or someone must have DM'd all of you to be nice to me  :)

Poopyhead.

Typical.

Quote from: stereax on February 20, 2026, 05:01:49 PMThe one thing I've been thinking about...

Of our "top" freshmen:

Cournoyer - Cornell from the start [asterisk though, as he wasn't eligible until last year to consider it]
Veilleux - Harvard->Cornell
Ryan - Colgate->Clarkson->Cornell
DiGiulian - Cornell from the start
Hiscock - Northeastern->Cornell
Long - Cornell from the start

Gorski, McCrady, Arseneault, Pirtle, Hamilton, Roest all seem to have committed straight to Cornell. (Did y'all know Hamilton played for the Omaha Lancers? Poor kid.)

Plus two transfers (Ashton from Minn State, Fisher from Northeastern).

So what this is telling me is about... half our top freshmen weren't originally committed here.

Similarly, don't expect every 16-year-old commit to Cornell to actually come here 3-4 years later. Obviously we hope they all do, but it can't be wholly unexpected if someone switches their commitment. I mean, hell, wasn't Walsh originally a Brown commit?

(The older guys are obviously more likely - I wouldn't expect Arend, for instance, to jump ship, but he also didn't originally commit here.)

Quote from: RichH on February 20, 2026, 07:30:00 PM

Quote from: stereax on February 20, 2026, 05:01:49 PMThe one thing I've been thinking about...

Of our "top" freshmen:

Cournoyer - Cornell from the start [asterisk though, as he wasn't eligible until last year to consider it]
Veilleux - Harvard->Cornell
Ryan - Colgate->Clarkson->Cornell
DiGiulian - Cornell from the start
Hiscock - Northeastern->Cornell
Long - Cornell from the start

Gorski, McCrady, Arseneault, Pirtle, Hamilton, Roest all seem to have committed straight to Cornell. (Did y'all know Hamilton played for the Omaha Lancers? Poor kid.)

Plus two transfers (Ashton from Minn State, Fisher from Northeastern).

So what this is telling me is about... half our top freshmen weren't originally committed here.

Similarly, don't expect every 16-year-old commit to Cornell to actually come here 3-4 years later. Obviously we hope they all do, but it can't be wholly unexpected if someone switches their commitment. I mean, hell, wasn't Walsh originally a Brown commit?

(The older guys are obviously more likely - I wouldn't expect Arend, for instance, to jump ship, but he also didn't originally commit here.)

A coaching change can shake things up (especially considering Ryan). And the days of commits staying committed is gonzo. I don't care about the NIL debate or even looking at anyone before arriving, but it is a new era.

Quote from: RichH on February 20, 2026, 07:30:00 PMA coaching change can shake things up (especially considering Ryan). And the days of commits staying committed is gonzo. I don't care about the NIL debate or even looking at anyone before arriving, but it is a new era.

Quote from: stereax on March 02, 2026, 09:43:27 PMNEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT (https://x.com/i/status/2028660732414357645)

Callum Hughes - Erie Otters - '06 forward. 18 pts in 49 games, which, not great production but probably has other things going for him. From Basking Ridge, NJ!

Formerly a BU commit 👀

Quote from: stereax on March 02, 2026, 09:43:27 PMNEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT (https://x.com/i/status/2028660732414357645)

Callum Hughes - Erie Otters - '06 forward. 18 pts in 49 games, which, not great production but probably has other things going for him. From Basking Ridge, NJ!

Formerly a BU commit 👀

Quote from: andyw2100 on March 02, 2026, 10:23:10 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 02, 2026, 09:43:27 PMNEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT (https://x.com/i/status/2028660732414357645)

Callum Hughes - Erie Otters - '06 forward. 18 pts in 49 games, which, not great production but probably has other things going for him. From Basking Ridge, NJ!

Formerly a BU commit 👀

And the son of Ryan Hughes, '93. Ryan centered the H-A-D line, with Trent Andison and current women's coach Doug Derraugh on the wings.

Quote from: scoop85 on March 03, 2026, 08:45:05 AMHughes participated in Toronto's Development Camp last summer. Also appears to be 1st cousins with the 3 NHL Hughes'

Quote from: arugula on March 03, 2026, 09:32:47 AM

Quote from: scoop85 on March 03, 2026, 08:45:05 AMHughes participated in Toronto's Development Camp last summer. Also appears to be 1st cousins with the 3 NHL Hughes'

Sounds like an excellent recruit.  I was a little concerned that we were falling into the Sucks trap of saving two spots every year for friend of coach or progeny of NHL alum.  I have faith in Casey that we won't do that.

Quote from: BearLover on March 03, 2026, 09:47:26 AM

Quote from: arugula on March 03, 2026, 09:32:47 AM

Quote from: scoop85 on March 03, 2026, 08:45:05 AMHughes participated in Toronto's Development Camp last summer. Also appears to be 1st cousins with the 3 NHL Hughes'

Sounds like an excellent recruit.  I was a little concerned that we were falling into the Sucks trap of saving two spots every year for friend of coach or progeny of NHL alum.  I have faith in Casey that we won't do that.

He has fallen off pretty hard since he was a high-ish end prospect in 2024, which is surely why BU decommitted him. Obviously there's potential here, but this is far from a surefire thing.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 03, 2026, 10:03:47 AM

Quote from: BearLover on March 03, 2026, 09:47:26 AM

Quote from: arugula on March 03, 2026, 09:32:47 AM

Quote from: scoop85 on March 03, 2026, 08:45:05 AMHughes participated in Toronto's Development Camp last summer. Also appears to be 1st cousins with the 3 NHL Hughes'

Sounds like an excellent recruit.  I was a little concerned that we were falling into the Sucks trap of saving two spots every year for friend of coach or progeny of NHL alum.  I have faith in Casey that we won't do that.

He has fallen off pretty hard since he was a high-ish end prospect in 2024, which is surely why BU decommitted him. Obviously there's potential here, but this is far from a surefire thing.

You also have to wonder if BU recruited him simply based on his name.

Quote from: scoop85 on March 03, 2026, 08:45:05 AMHughes participated in Toronto's Development Camp last summer. Also appears to be 1st cousins with the 3 NHL Hughes'

Quote from: CUlater 89 on March 03, 2026, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on March 03, 2026, 08:45:05 AMHughes participated in Toronto's Development Camp last summer. Also appears to be 1st cousins with the 3 NHL Hughes'

Source?  I'm pretty sure that's not right.  Ryan's brother is Kent Hughes, the Montreal GM.  Kent does have a son Jack, but not "that" Jack.

Quote from: ugarte on March 02, 2026, 10:25:17 PM

Quote from: andyw2100 on March 02, 2026, 10:23:10 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 02, 2026, 09:43:27 PMNEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT (https://x.com/i/status/2028660732414357645)

Callum Hughes - Erie Otters - '06 forward. 18 pts in 49 games, which, not great production but probably has other things going for him. From Basking Ridge, NJ!

Formerly a BU commit 👀

And the son of Ryan Hughes, '93. Ryan centered the H-A-D line, with Trent Andison and current women's coach Doug Derraugh on the wings.

i saw ryan hughes score 4 goals in a 5-4 loss to ... boston college?

Quote from: scoop85 on March 03, 2026, 05:09:12 PM

Quote from: CUlater 89 on March 03, 2026, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: scoop85 on March 03, 2026, 08:45:05 AMHughes participated in Toronto's Development Camp last summer. Also appears to be 1st cousins with the 3 NHL Hughes'

Source?  I'm pretty sure that's not right.  Ryan's brother is Kent Hughes, the Montreal GM.  Kent does have a son Jack, but not "that" Jack.

I got that from a google search, but I now think that's an error.

Quote from: stereax on March 02, 2026, 09:45:40 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 02, 2026, 09:43:27 PMNEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT NEW RECRUIT (https://x.com/i/status/2028660732414357645)

Callum Hughes - Erie Otters - '06 forward. 18 pts in 49 games, which, not great production but probably has other things going for him. From Basking Ridge, NJ!

Formerly a BU commit 👀

Just checked... teammate of Michael Dec. Also holy crap the Otters are trash this year. Points might not tell the story about this guy.

Quote from: stereax on March 06, 2026, 02:58:02 PMNEW COMMIT ALERT

Ryland Randle. (https://x.com/i/status/2029995514490671463)

Helluva name.

5'10", 170 lbs. Dman in the USHL, about half a PPG. Sounds like he could come in next year.

How many dmen do we have??

Quote from: BearLover on March 23, 2026, 10:20:49 AMSeems some of us have already started looking ahead to next year  :'(

Quote from: ursusminor on March 23, 2026, 11:07:16 AM

Quote from: BearLover on March 23, 2026, 10:20:49 AMSeems some of us have already started looking ahead to next year  :'(

Am I allowed to?

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters.

Quote from: Pghas on March 24, 2026, 02:40:40 PMeverything has changed so much in the last 18 months - since they opened up the Canadian Junior leagues to NCAA, nobody gets committed out of prep school anymore.  Totally makes sense - there have been so many recruits who get to the ju hors level and it just doesn't work out for them.  Since success in juniors seems to correlate much more closely with NCAA success it makes much more sense to just recruit kids - sometimes a bit older kids - from juniors.  Just means that kids will have to decide playing college hockey is the most important thing they want to do in life and go play juniors during or after high school. Smart kids less willing to do that without a commitment.

Quote from: sah67 on March 24, 2026, 02:14:51 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters.

I'm just sad we didn't manage to snag their teammate (and Erie PIMs leader), Ritter Coombs, who looks like he came straight from central casting for the role of "goon" in the next reboot of Mighty Ducks:
(https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/photos/ritter-coombs-2026-879.jpg)

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

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Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

Dec appears to be a very good recruit. We have an extremely good hit rate with our St. Andrews pipeline...hopefully Syer at Princeton doesn't eat into it too much.

I think recruiting is a bit lacking otherwise, given that the bar has been raised with the pool of players massively expanding.  We'll see.   

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 03:23:27 PM

Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:03:47 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

Dec appears to be a very good recruit. We have an extremely good hit rate with our St. Andrews pipeline...hopefully Syer at Princeton doesn't eat into it too much.

I think recruiting is a bit lacking otherwise, given that the bar has been raised with the pool of players massively expanding.  We'll see.   

To be fair, our senior class is tiny and only 2 of them are daily lineup players - DeSantis and O'Brien, both of whom you can replace with, say, Arseneault/Murray (or Dec/Hughes) and Gorski/Wolfenberg/whatever other dmen we have because we have like 5 extra. The more pressing concern from a "next year recruit" standpoint is the center depth if either of Walsh or Casty (or both) go. In either case, I'm sure we'll figure it out.

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Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 03:23:27 PM

Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:03:47 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

Dec appears to be a very good recruit. We have an extremely good hit rate with our St. Andrews pipeline...hopefully Syer at Princeton doesn't eat into it too much.

I think recruiting is a bit lacking otherwise, given that the bar has been raised with the pool of players massively expanding.  We'll see.   

To be fair, our senior class is tiny and only 2 of them are daily lineup players - DeSantis and O'Brien, both of whom you can replace with, say, Arseneault/Murray (or Dec/Hughes) and Gorski/Wolfenberg/whatever other dmen we have because we have like 5 extra. The more pressing concern from a "next year recruit" standpoint is the center depth if either of Walsh or Casty (or both) go. In either case, I'm sure we'll figure it out.

Our recruiting seems to signal that Castagna and Walsh both might go. We have three senior forwards but at least four forward recruits coming in. And we already have a big roster so unlikely we're adding extra guys just for the hell of it.

I hate to say it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we lose one or two defensemen that we're expecting to stay too. We lose one to graduation, and look poised bring in two, even though we already have Gorski and Wolfenberg as solid depth. I'm not sure we would add Randle last minute unless there was word of a new departure, but we'll see.

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Quote from: chimpfood on March 24, 2026, 03:28:52 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 03:23:27 PM

Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:03:47 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

Dec appears to be a very good recruit. We have an extremely good hit rate with our St. Andrews pipeline...hopefully Syer at Princeton doesn't eat into it too much.

I think recruiting is a bit lacking otherwise, given that the bar has been raised with the pool of players massively expanding.  We'll see.   

To be fair, our senior class is tiny and only 2 of them are daily lineup players - DeSantis and O'Brien, both of whom you can replace with, say, Arseneault/Murray (or Dec/Hughes) and Gorski/Wolfenberg/whatever other dmen we have because we have like 5 extra. The more pressing concern from a "next year recruit" standpoint is the center depth if either of Walsh or Casty (or both) go. In either case, I'm sure we'll figure it out.

Our recruiting seems to signal that Castagna and Walsh both might go. We have three senior forwards but at least four forward recruits coming in. And we already have a big roster so unlikely we're adding extra guys just for the hell of it.

I hate to say it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we lose one or two defensemen that we're expecting to stay too. We lose one to graduation, and look poised bring in two, even though we already have Gorski and Wolfenberg as solid depth. I'm not sure we would add Randle last minute unless there was word of a new departure, but we'll see.

I've read the same tea leaves as you and had the same interpretation. I'm a bit  confused because neither Fegaras nor Stanley is going to play in the NHL in the near future. I don't think they'll necessarily even get contract offers...? They're very good college players but the NHL doesn't seem to be in the cards. Or does Casey expect some players to transfer out?

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Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:03:47 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

Dec appears to be a very good recruit. We have an extremely good hit rate with our St. Andrews pipeline...hopefully Syer at Princeton doesn't eat into it too much.

I think recruiting is a bit lacking otherwise, given that the bar has been raised with the pool of players massively expanding.  We'll see.   

To be fair, our senior class is tiny and only 2 of them are daily lineup players - DeSantis and O'Brien, both of whom you can replace with, say, Arseneault/Murray (or Dec/Hughes) and Gorski/Wolfenberg/whatever other dmen we have because we have like 5 extra. The more pressing concern from a "next year recruit" standpoint is the center depth if either of Walsh or Casty (or both) go. In either case, I'm sure we'll figure it out.

Our recruiting seems to signal that Castagna and Walsh both might go. We have three senior forwards but at least four forward recruits coming in. And we already have a big roster so unlikely we're adding extra guys just for the hell of it.

I hate to say it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we lose one or two defensemen that we're expecting to stay too. We lose one to graduation, and look poised bring in two, even though we already have Gorski and Wolfenberg as solid depth. I'm not sure we would add Randle last minute unless there was word of a new departure, but we'll see.

I've read the same tea leaves as you and had the same interpretation. I'm a bit  confused because neither Fegaras nor Stanley is going to play in the NHL in the near future. I don't think they'll necessarily even get contract offers...? They're very good college players but the NHL doesn't seem to be in the cards. Or does Casey expect some players to transfer out?

I think Castagna's odds of making the Flames in the next year or two are greater than you think.

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Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:03:47 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

Dec appears to be a very good recruit. We have an extremely good hit rate with our St. Andrews pipeline...hopefully Syer at Princeton doesn't eat into it too much.

I think recruiting is a bit lacking otherwise, given that the bar has been raised with the pool of players massively expanding.  We'll see.   

To be fair, our senior class is tiny and only 2 of them are daily lineup players - DeSantis and O'Brien, both of whom you can replace with, say, Arseneault/Murray (or Dec/Hughes) and Gorski/Wolfenberg/whatever other dmen we have because we have like 5 extra. The more pressing concern from a "next year recruit" standpoint is the center depth if either of Walsh or Casty (or both) go. In either case, I'm sure we'll figure it out.

Our recruiting seems to signal that Castagna and Walsh both might go. We have three senior forwards but at least four forward recruits coming in. And we already have a big roster so unlikely we're adding extra guys just for the hell of it.

I hate to say it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we lose one or two defensemen that we're expecting to stay too. We lose one to graduation, and look poised bring in two, even though we already have Gorski and Wolfenberg as solid depth. I'm not sure we would add Randle last minute unless there was word of a new departure, but we'll see.

I've read the same tea leaves as you and had the same interpretation. I'm a bit  confused because neither Fegaras nor Stanley is going to play in the NHL in the near future. I don't think they'll necessarily even get contract offers...? They're very good college players but the NHL doesn't seem to be in the cards. Or does Casey expect some players to transfer :-\ 

I think Castagna's odds of making the Flames in the next year or two are greater than you think.

Oh I was talking purely about the defensemen I mentioned. Castagna has a good shot, I agree.

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Quote from: BearLover on March 24, 2026, 03:03:47 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on March 23, 2026, 12:25:37 AMMichael Dec and Cal Hughes finish their season with the dreadful Erie Otters. Dec closes at 68 points in 62 games this season behind 3 tonight. Hughes ends with 23 points in 58 games. Both should come in for us next year.

Also coming to a merciful end is Baie Como Drakkar's season. Aiden Kirkwood (just turned 18) posted 10 points in 60 games, and Declan Wotton (still 16) put up 6 points in 28 games.

All are forwards.

Defenseman Sam Peckham finished up his high school career at Edina and is now with Waterloo in the USHL. Three games (as the seventh defenseman) so far no points.

I'll try to post stuff for our other juniors guys when their seasons end, but everyone else in the CHL is on to playoffs, USHL still has a few more regular season games.

Dec appears to be a very good recruit. We have an extremely good hit rate with our St. Andrews pipeline...hopefully Syer at Princeton doesn't eat into it too much.

I think recruiting is a bit lacking otherwise, given that the bar has been raised with the pool of players massively expanding.  We'll see.   

To be fair, our senior class is tiny and only 2 of them are daily lineup players - DeSantis and O'Brien, both of whom you can replace with, say, Arseneault/Murray (or Dec/Hughes) and Gorski/Wolfenberg/whatever other dmen we have because we have like 5 extra. The more pressing concern from a "next year recruit" standpoint is the center depth if either of Walsh or Casty (or both) go. In either case, I'm sure we'll figure it out.

Our recruiting seems to signal that Castagna and Walsh both might go. We have three senior forwards but at least four forward recruits coming in. And we already have a big roster so unlikely we're adding extra guys just for the hell of it.

I hate to say it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we lose one or two defensemen that we're expecting to stay too. We lose one to graduation, and look poised bring in two, even though we already have Gorski and Wolfenberg as solid depth. I'm not sure we would add Randle last minute unless there was word of a new departure, but we'll see.

I've read the same tea leaves as you and had the same interpretation. I'm a bit  confused because neither Fegaras nor Stanley is going to play in the NHL in the near future. I don't think they'll necessarily even get contract offers...? They're very good college players but the NHL doesn't seem to be in the cards. Or does Casey expect some players to transfer :-\ 

I think Castagna's odds of making the Flames in the next year or two are greater than you think.

Oh I was talking purely about the defensemen I mentioned. Castagna has a good shot, I agree.

Sorry, I read "Fegaras" as "Castagna"

Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 07:38:42 PMMy utterly uninformed intuition:

Castagna: 20% chance of returning
Walsh: 80% chance of returning

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Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 07:38:42 PMMy utterly uninformed intuition:

Castagna: 20% chance of returning
Walsh: 80% chance of returning

That makes 100% chance of having one of them back!

This is definitely how stats work, don't fact check me.

Quote from: ugarte on March 24, 2026, 08:05:51 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:04:26 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 07:38:42 PMMy utterly uninformed intuition:

Castagna: 20% chance of returning
Walsh: 80% chance of returning

That makes 100% chance of having one of them back!

This is definitely how stats work, don't fact check me.

average math in a legal brief

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:11:20 PM

Quote from: ugarte on March 24, 2026, 08:05:51 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:04:26 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 07:38:42 PMMy utterly uninformed intuition:

Castagna: 20% chance of returning
Walsh: 80% chance of returning

That makes 100% chance of having one of them back!

This is definitely how stats work, don't fact check me.

average math in a legal brief

there's a reason i'm going into law and not math ☺️👍

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:04:26 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 07:38:42 PMMy utterly uninformed intuition:

Castagna: 20% chance of returning
Walsh: 80% chance of returning

That makes 100% chance of having one of them back!

This is definitely how stats work, don't fact check me.

Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 09:44:15 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 08:04:26 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 24, 2026, 07:38:42 PMMy utterly uninformed intuition:

Castagna: 20% chance of returning
Walsh: 80% chance of returning

That makes 100% chance of having one of them back!

This is definitely how stats work, don't fact check me.

Ah, you have a legal education, I see...

Edit: goddammit ugarte. 

Fewer characters, too.

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

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Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 12:56:23 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 25, 2026, 12:24:02 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted to.

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Quote from: stereax on March 25, 2026, 12:24:02 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted because I want him to.

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Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted because I want him to.

Fixed your post

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Quote from: stereax on March 25, 2026, 12:24:02 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted because I want him to.

Fixed your post

I'm really just saying it's not a foregone conclusion just because the team hopes he'll sign. In all likelihood he hasn't made up his mind on whether he'll stay. But yes, I do want him to.

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Quote from: stereax on March 25, 2026, 12:24:02 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted because I want him to.

Fixed your post

I'm really just saying it's not a foregone conclusion just because the team hopes he'll sign. In all likelihood he hasn't made up his mind on whether he'll stay. But yes, I do want him to.

I'd like you to be right, but the information out there makes it seem likely that he'll be signing upon conclusion of our season (hopefully after winning in Vegas!).

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Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted because I want him to.

Fixed your post

I'm really just saying it's not a foregone conclusion just because the team hopes he'll sign. In all likelihood he hasn't made up his mind on whether he'll stay. But yes, I do want him to.

I'd like you to be right, but the information out there makes it seem likely that he'll be signing upon conclusion of our season (hopefully after winning in Vegas!).

I think Castagna said at one point that "[he] will be completing his season and the semester (https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/pro-ready-flames-excited-new-prospect-jonathan-castagna) before considering whether to turn pro". Which to me reads like he'd sign earliest in May after finals. In which case, if this is accurate, I'm not completely sure why Calgary is keeping a contract spot open right now and seeming to expect him just after Cornell's season is over.

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Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted because I want him to.

Fixed your post

I'm really just saying it's not a foregone conclusion just because the team hopes he'll sign. In all likelihood he hasn't made up his mind on whether he'll stay. But yes, I do want him to.

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Quote from: stereax on March 25, 2026, 12:24:02 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted because I want him to.

Fixed your post

I'm really just saying it's not a foregone conclusion just because the team hopes he'll sign. In all likelihood he hasn't made up his mind on whether he'll stay. But yes, I do want him to.

In all likelihood you have no idea what you are talking about.       

Once again you project your thoughts and then declare them the obvious and definitive answer by using phrases that you consider hedges.

In all likelihood he has known what he's going to do within days after the trade went down.   He may not have exact dollar figures but his agent will know roughly what they are looking at, and more importantly I'm sure they already know where the flames would send him this year and the current thinking on a development plan.

When you are that close to grabbing the brass ring you may express some doubt publicly, but you know in your heart what you are going to do when it comes down to it. I can only conclude that in all likelihood bearlover has never been anywhere in the vicinity of the proverbial brass ring.

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Quote from: stereax on March 25, 2026, 12:24:02 PM

Quote from: stereax on March 24, 2026, 09:58:52 PMFwiw the Sportsnet announcers on tonight's Flames game during intermission seem reasonably certain they're signing Casty along with Wiebe once their NCAA seasons are over.

Buzz. (https://x.com/i/status/2036626792963039583)

The Flames can plan whatever they like but ultimately it's Castagna's decision. Stating the obvious, but he could easily return if he wanted because I want him to.

Fixed your post

I'm really just saying it's not a foregone conclusion just because the team hopes he'll sign. In all likelihood he hasn't made up his mind on whether he'll stay. But yes, I do want him to.

In all likelihood you have no idea what you are talking about.       

Once again you project your thoughts and then declare them the obvious and definitive answer by using phrases that you consider hedges.

In all likelihood he has known what he's going to do within days after the trade went down.   He may not have exact dollar figures but his agent will know roughly what they are looking at, and more importantly I'm sure they already know where the flames would send him this year and the current thinking on a development plan.

When you are that close to grabbing the brass ring you may express some doubt publicly, but you know in your heart what you are going to do when it comes down to it. I can only conclude that in all likelihood bearlover has never been anywhere in the vicinity of the proverbial brass ring.

QuoteI can only conclude that in all likelihood bearlover has never been anywhere in the vicinity of the proverbial brass ring.

Quote from: Trotsky on March 25, 2026, 09:17:39 PMPfft.  You've attacked and fought with and snarled at and pouted about half the members of the cafe.

"When you see an asshole on your way to work, you've seen an asshole.
When you see assholes all day long, you're the asshole."

Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 09:44:23 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 25, 2026, 09:17:39 PMPfft.  You've attacked and fought with and snarled at and pouted about half the members of the cafe.

"When you see an asshole on your way to work, you've seen an asshole.
When you see assholes all day long, you're the asshole."

Yes, but I think it's pretty clear who the asshole is this time, and it's not me. There's a reason why I've never snapped at Jim Hyla.

Quote from: stereax on March 25, 2026, 11:19:26 PM

Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 09:44:23 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 25, 2026, 09:17:39 PMPfft.  You've attacked and fought with and snarled at and pouted about half the members of the cafe.

"When you see an asshole on your way to work, you've seen an asshole.
When you see assholes all day long, you're the asshole."

Yes, but I think it's pretty clear who the asshole is this time, and it's not me. There's a reason why I've never snapped at Jim Hyla.

hyla's a national treasure

Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 09:44:23 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 25, 2026, 09:17:39 PMPfft.  You've attacked and fought with and snarled at and pouted about half the members of the cafe.

"When you see an asshole on your way to work, you've seen an asshole.
When you see assholes all day long, you're the asshole."

Yes, but I think it's pretty clear who the asshole is this time, and it's not me. There's a reason why I've never snapped at Jim Hyla.

Quote from: abmarks on March 27, 2026, 08:55:36 AM

Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 09:44:23 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 25, 2026, 09:17:39 PMPfft.  You've attacked and fought with and snarled at and pouted about half the members of the cafe.

"When you see an asshole on your way to work, you've seen an asshole.
When you see assholes all day long, you're the asshole."

Yes, but I think it's pretty clear who the asshole is this time, and it's not me. There's a reason why I've never snapped at Jim Hyla.

Clownlover..notice yet that, as so often is the case, not a single person here is coming to your defense or agreeing with your take?

Do the math. 

Quote from: abmarks on March 27, 2026, 08:55:36 AM

Quote from: BearLover on March 25, 2026, 09:44:23 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on March 25, 2026, 09:17:39 PMPfft.  You've attacked and fought with and snarled at and pouted about half the members of the cafe.

"When you see an asshole on your way to work, you've seen an asshole.
When you see assholes all day long, you're the asshole."

Yes, but I think it's pretty clear who the asshole is this time, and it's not me. There's a reason why I've never snapped at Jim Hyla.

Clownlover..notice yet that, as so often is the case, not a single person here is coming to your defense or agreeing with your take?

Do the math. 

Quote from: The Rancor on March 27, 2026, 08:44:33 AMNAHL Statement (https://nahl.com/news/story.cfm?id=42219&fbclid=IwY2xjawQzWdpleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFMcVJmWDZ6NjBpUTNROUpIc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHtO-Pwu8n_by4twVYyeHQBK_3xRHXYMNvONNM7mqnBKtjsERfInH-4o-16Ex_aem_7PwcxBT7AwGkNaPj40xsBA)

The NAHL, USHL and NA3HL have collectively, under USA Hockey, banned any players playing in 'unsanctioned' Junior Hockey Leagues. Is this just about money or is there a genuine safety and development issue that I don't understand? Doubt this will affect many of our recruits, but it is a curious development in the wake of the CHL and NCAA situation.

Quote from: stereax on March 27, 2026, 09:31:25 AM

Quote from: The Rancor on March 27, 2026, 08:44:33 AMNAHL Statement (https://nahl.com/news/story.cfm?id=42219&fbclid=IwY2xjawQzWdpleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFMcVJmWDZ6NjBpUTNROUpIc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHtO-Pwu8n_by4twVYyeHQBK_3xRHXYMNvONNM7mqnBKtjsERfInH-4o-16Ex_aem_7PwcxBT7AwGkNaPj40xsBA)

The NAHL, USHL and NA3HL have collectively, under USA Hockey, banned any players playing in 'unsanctioned' Junior Hockey Leagues. Is this just about money or is there a genuine safety and development issue that I don't understand? Doubt this will affect many of our recruits, but it is a curious development in the wake of the CHL and NCAA situation.

I suspect this is part of the new transgender policies. To be "sanctioned" under USA Hockey, you gotta implement some anti-trans shit because of the Oval Office.

They're essentially saying, if you played in a (presumably organized) league outside of the scope of USA Hockey (and presumably things like Hockey Canada as well) you can't play in the USHL/NAHL that year. I don't think this actually impacts any of our guys.

Quote from: BearLoverAnd I've had plenty of people come to my defense/DM me support the last few months. I would name them but it would be deeply embarrassing for them, so I won't. They can speak for themselves here if they'd like, but I don't care. Once again, you evidence a total inability to comport yourself like an adult.  I'll try to go back to ignoring you. Of all the posts on this website, yours truly are the worst.

Quote from: andyw2100 on March 27, 2026, 03:33:53 PM

Quote from: BearLoverAnd I've had plenty of people come to my defense/DM me support the last few months. I would name them but it would be deeply embarrassing for them, so I won't. They can speak for themselves here if they'd like, but I don't care. Once again, you evidence a total inability to comport yourself like an adult.  I'll try to go back to ignoring you. Of all the posts on this website, yours truly are the worst.

I'm one of the people who DM'd BearLover in the past few months. I told him, essentially, that I had noticed that he seemed to be making an effort to be less confrontational / antagonistic than in the past, and that I appreciated it. I also told him that I thought he actually had a lot to offer and was often insightful.

I think there's a lot of history here that some of us are more willing to forget about than others are. I personally don't think I had any history--good, bad, or otherwise--with BearLover. I guess I can understand that for those of you who did, it may be hard to put all that aside. I do think, however, the forum would be more fun if everyone made an effort to get along better. I really do believe that with exceptions for when people have gone after him, BearLover has been making an effort.

Quote from: fastforward on March 27, 2026, 03:46:52 PMWe're all here for the same reason-supporting the Big Red!
Keep it real
Keep it fun

Quote from: fastforward on March 27, 2026, 03:46:52 PM

Quote from: andyw2100 on March 27, 2026, 03:33:53 PM

Quote from: BearLoverAnd I've had plenty of people come to my defense/DM me support the last few months. I would name them but it would be deeply embarrassing for them, so I won't. They can speak for themselves here if they'd like, but I don't care. Once again, you evidence a total inability to comport yourself like an adult.  I'll try to go back to ignoring you. Of all the posts on this website, yours truly are the worst.

Sorry, we don't all support

I'm one of the people who DM'd BearLover in the past few months. I told him, essentially, that I had noticed that he seemed to be making an effort to be less confrontational /

Quote from: fastforward on March 27, 2026, 03:46:52 PM

Quote from: andyw2100 on March 27, 2026, 03:33:53 PM

Quote from: BearLoverAnd I've had plenty of people come to my defense/DM me support the last few months. I would name them but it would be deeply embarrassing for them, so I won't. They can speak for themselves here if they'd like, but I don't care. Once again, you evidence a total inability to comport yourself like an adult.  I'll try to go back to ignoring you. Of all the posts on this website, yours truly are the worst.

I'm one of the people who DM'd BearLover in the past few months. I told him, essentially, that I had noticed that he seemed to be making an effort to be less confrontational / antagonistic than in the past, and that I appreciated it. I also told him that I thought he actually had a lot to offer and was often insightful.

I think there's a lot of history here that some of us are more willing to forget about than others are. I personally don't think I had any history--good, bad, or otherwise--with BearLover. I guess I can understand that for those of you who did, it may be hard to put all that aside. I do think, however, the forum would be more fun if everyone made an effort to get along better. I really do believe that with exceptions for when people have gone after him, BearLover has been making an effort.

We're all here for the same reason-supporting the Big Red!
Keep it real
Keep it fun

antagonistic than in the past, and that I appreciated it. I also told him that I thought he actually had a lot to offer and was often insightful.

I think there's a lot of history here that some of us are more willing to forget about than others are. I personally don't think I had any history--good, bad, or otherwise--with BearLover. I guess I can understand that for those of you who did, it may be hard to put all that aside. I do think, however, the forum would be more fun if everyone made an effort to get along better. I really do believe that with exceptions for when people have gone after him, BearLover has been making an effort.

We're all here for the same reason-supporting the Big Red!
Keep it real
Keep it fun

Quote from: andyw2100 on March 27, 2026, 03:33:53 PM

Quote from: BearLoverAnd I've had plenty of people come to my defense/DM me support the last few months. I would name them but it would be deeply embarrassing for them, so I won't. They can speak for themselves here if they'd like, but I don't care. Once again, you evidence a total inability to comport yourself like an adult.  I'll try to go back to ignoring you. Of all the posts on this website, yours truly are the worst.

I'm one of the people who DM'd BearLover in the past few months. I told him, essentially, that I had noticed that he seemed to be making an effort to be less confrontational / antagonistic than in the past, and that I appreciated it. I also told him that I thought he actually had a lot to offer and was often insightful.

I think there's a lot of history here that some of us are more willing to forget about than others are. I personally don't think I had any history--good, bad, or otherwise--with BearLover. I guess I can understand that for those of you who did, it may be hard to put all that aside. I do think, however, the forum would be more fun if everyone made an effort to get along better. I really do believe that with exceptions for when people have gone after him, BearLover has been making an effort.

Quote from: andyw2100 on March 27, 2026, 03:33:53 PM

Quote from: BearLoverAnd I've had plenty of people come to my defense/DM me support the last few months. I would name them but it would be deeply embarrassing for them, so I won't. They can speak for themselves here if they'd like, but I don't care. Once again, you evidence a total inability to comport yourself like an adult.  I'll try to go back to ignoring you. Of all the posts on this website, yours truly are the worst.

I'm one of the people who DM'd BearLover in the past few months. I told him, essentially, that I had noticed that he seemed to be making an effort to be less confrontational / antagonistic than in the past, and that I appreciated it. I also told him that I thought he actually had a lot to offer and was often insightful.

I think there's a lot of history here that some of us are more willing to forget about than others are. I personally don't think I had any history--good, bad, or otherwise--with BearLover. I guess I can understand that for those of you who did, it may be hard to put all that aside. I do think, however, the forum would be more fun if everyone made an effort to get along better. I really do believe that with exceptions for when people have gone after him, BearLover has been making an effort.

Quote from: BearLover on April 06, 2026, 12:33:36 AMI got some grief a couple months ago for saying our recruiting seemed underwhelming and, uh...

Quote from: marty on April 06, 2026, 07:22:15 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 06, 2026, 12:33:36 AMI got some grief a couple months ago for saying our recruiting seemed underwhelming and, uh...

This thread reads like a well done Mad Magazine satire from the 60's.

Bravo. Mad at its best was hard to beat.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 06, 2026, 07:29:59 AMI've (finally) learned to take my own prescription with half-trolls who post decent stuff half the time and cringe the other half.  Respond to the former, do not engage at all with the latter.

Trolling dies when ignored.  A full troll will leave.  A half-troll will gradually switch over to more higher effort posts.  We all grow; the site is less mired in shit.

Quote from: BearLover on April 06, 2026, 09:29:42 AM

Quote from: marty on April 06, 2026, 07:22:15 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 06, 2026, 12:33:36 AMI got some grief a couple months ago for saying our recruiting seemed underwhelming and, uh...

This thread reads like a well done Mad Magazine satire from the 60's.

Bravo. Mad at its best was hard to beat.

I have a helpful exercise for you and a few other posters:

1. If you read one of my posts, pause for 30 seconds or however long it takes for the urge to respond to dissipate.

2. Pretend someone besides BearLover wrote it (substitute any poster you prefer). You can choose scoop85, or chimpfood, or Dafafone, or anyone!

3. Re-read the post. Now that the author is this other person, does the post still offend you? OR is it totally innocuous, perhaps written in a jokey manner?

If you perform this quick and easy exercise, I suspect your urge to respond with a cringe zinger will disappear! And even better, BL won't respond back at you. You'd avoid a flame war altogether!

Optional part 4 of this exercise: reflect for 30 seconds on why you wouldn't bat an eye if anyone else wrote the post.

Quote from: CornellLonghorn on April 07, 2026, 12:08:34 PMCollegepucknxt on Instagram posts that CHL --> NCAA recruit Easton Walos has a chance to go to Cornell 48 points in 68 games in the OHL and is 27 eligible. Think we have a shot?

Quote from: CornellLonghorn on April 07, 2026, 12:08:34 PMCollegepucknxt on Instagram posts that CHL --> NCAA recruit Easton Walos has a chance to go to Cornell 48 points in 68 games in the OHL and is 27 eligible. Think we have a shot?

Quote from: stereax on April 08, 2026, 12:09:26 AMThe one thing about Puglisi - from my understanding, the 4-year clock starts once he enters the NCAA, not necessarily when he's drafted. Or at least that's how it's been explained to me - the concept being that they want drafted players to be able to earn their degrees in 4 years and then still have their rights retained by their org for that 30-day negotiation window.

Quote from: chimpfood on April 08, 2026, 09:26:01 AMIm so lost... tried looking this up a little while ago and couldn't find anything I could understand. So it's 4 years starting when you enter college? Then why would Castagna/Hoyts rights expire if they didn't leave this year?

• They may have gotten better deals (money, playing time, etc.) at this season's end rather than waiting a year.
• They may feel their hockey development has reached its zenith in terms of what Cornell can provide, and it's time to take that next step.
• Maybe they've grown tired of the rigors of school. (Seems unlikely as both have made all-academic teams in the past, but you never know.)
• Winning championships would be nice, but maybe they see that as far less likely next season, even if they returned.

Quote from: Will on April 08, 2026, 10:04:20 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 08, 2026, 09:26:01 AMIm so lost... tried looking this up a little while ago and couldn't find anything I could understand. So it's 4 years starting when you enter college? Then why would Castagna/Hoyts rights expire if they didn't leave this year?

Off the top of my head:

• They may have gotten better deals (money, playing time, etc.) at this season's end rather than waiting a year.
• They may feel their hockey development has reached its zenith in terms of what Cornell can provide, and it's time to take that next step.
• Maybe they've grown tired of the rigors of school. (Seems unlikely as both have made all-academic teams in the past, but you never know.)
• Winning championships would be nice, but maybe they see that as far less likely next season, even if they returned.

Edited to add: I guess I didn't really answer the question of would their rights expire. Their rights weren't expiring yet, but they still may have felt compelled to depart Cornell for any or all of my above listed reasons.

Quote from: chimpfood on April 08, 2026, 09:26:01 AMIm so lost... tried looking this up a little while ago and couldn't find anything I could understand. So it's 4 years starting when you enter college? Then why would Castagna/Hoyts rights expire if they didn't leave this year?

Quote from: coz on April 08, 2026, 11:02:56 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 08, 2026, 09:26:01 AMIm so lost... tried looking this up a little while ago and couldn't find anything I could understand. So it's 4 years starting when you enter college? Then why would Castagna/Hoyts rights expire if they didn't leave this year?

They wouldn't. They would expire at the end of next season.

If a player is drafted at age 18 their rights are held for 4 years. If they're 19 or 20 it's 3 years. That clock starts the moment they're drafted. The clock get's extended if they stay in school.


Here are 4 examples from this year's team (Though given how recent the CBA changes were none of them fall under this criteria, but if they did here's how it works.)

Castagna - Drafted at age 18, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his senior year.

Walsh - Drafted at age 19, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year, unless he stayed in school, which would extend the clock another year.

Veilleux - Drafted at age 18, matriculated one year later. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year unless he stays in school.

Fisher - Drafted at age 18, matriculated two years later (Technically just one but he played two years of junior post draft). His clock would expire at the end of his sophomore season unless he stays in school.


Now in all practicality this changes very little for us as fans and for Cornell as a program. This mostly about giving the players more options. If Puglisi gets drafted and goes and plays junior, he can still stay at Cornell for 4 years, he just has the option to become a free agent after his junior year if he thinks he's ready and the team who drafted him doesn't want him or he wants to sign somewhere else.

Edit to say: All of our current drafted players fall under the old CBA rules which are practically the same except for the leaving early piece and signing deadline. Plus this change doesn't go into effect until the 2027 draft.

Quote from: BearLover on April 08, 2026, 11:13:55 AM

Quote from: coz on April 08, 2026, 11:02:56 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 08, 2026, 09:26:01 AMIm so lost... tried looking this up a little while ago and couldn't find anything I could understand. So it's 4 years starting when you enter college? Then why would Castagna/Hoyts rights expire if they didn't leave this year?

They wouldn't. They would expire at the end of next season.

If a player is drafted at age 18 their rights are held for 4 years. If they're 19 or 20 it's 3 years. That clock starts the moment they're drafted. The clock get's extended if they stay in school.


Here are 4 examples from this year's team (Though given how recent the CBA changes were none of them fall under this criteria, but if they did here's how it works.)

Castagna - Drafted at age 18, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his senior year.

Walsh - Drafted at age 19, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year, unless he stayed in school, which would extend the clock another year.

Veilleux - Drafted at age 18, matriculated one year later. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year unless he stays in school.

Fisher - Drafted at age 18, matriculated two years later (Technically just one but he played two years of junior post draft). His clock would expire at the end of his sophomore season unless he stays in school.


Now in all practicality this changes very little for us as fans and for Cornell as a program. This mostly about giving the players more options. If Puglisi gets drafted and goes and plays junior, he can still stay at Cornell for 4 years, he just has the option to become a free agent after his junior year if he thinks he's ready and the team who drafted him doesn't want him or he wants to sign somewhere else.

Edit to say: All of our current drafted players fall under the old CBA rules which are practically the same except for the leaving early piece and signing deadline. Plus this change doesn't go into effect until the 2027 draft.

I know this rule was discussed, and perhaps even enacted, as part of the recent CBA, but I was told that it does not apply to kids in college. Which is to say, for kids in college, the drafting team's signing rights still don't expire until 30 days after their senior year, regardless of their age when drafted.

That's the part I'm trying to confirm - does the new CBA rule actually apply to college kids, or or college kids treated the same as they were under the old CBA?

Quote from: stereax on April 08, 2026, 12:06:16 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 08, 2026, 11:13:55 AM

Quote from: coz on April 08, 2026, 11:02:56 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 08, 2026, 09:26:01 AMIm so lost... tried looking this up a little while ago and couldn't find anything I could understand. So it's 4 years starting when you enter college? Then why would Castagna/Hoyts rights expire if they didn't leave this year?

They wouldn't. They would expire at the end of next season.

If a player is drafted at age 18 their rights are held for 4 years. If they're 19 or 20 it's 3 years. That clock starts the moment they're drafted. The clock get's extended if they stay in school.


Here are 4 examples from this year's team (Though given how recent the CBA changes were none of them fall under this criteria, but if they did here's how it works.)

Castagna - Drafted at age 18, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his senior year.

Walsh - Drafted at age 19, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year, unless he stayed in school, which would extend the clock another year.

Veilleux - Drafted at age 18, matriculated one year later. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year unless he stays in school.

Fisher - Drafted at age 18, matriculated two years later (Technically just one but he played two years of junior post draft). His clock would expire at the end of his sophomore season unless he stays in school.


Now in all practicality this changes very little for us as fans and for Cornell as a program. This mostly about giving the players more options. If Puglisi gets drafted and goes and plays junior, he can still stay at Cornell for 4 years, he just has the option to become a free agent after his junior year if he thinks he's ready and the team who drafted him doesn't want him or he wants to sign somewhere else.

Edit to say: All of our current drafted players fall under the old CBA rules which are practically the same except for the leaving early piece and signing deadline. Plus this change doesn't go into effect until the 2027 draft.

I know this rule was discussed, and perhaps even enacted, as part of the recent CBA, but I was told that it does not apply to kids in college. Which is to say, for kids in college, the drafting team's signing rights still don't expire until 30 days after their senior year, regardless of their age when drafted.

That's the part I'm trying to confirm - does the new CBA rule actually apply to college kids, or or college kids treated the same as they were under the old CBA?

Pretty sure BL is right here.

From my understanding, they changed the CBA rule to apply retroactively. Hence why a guy like Wiebe, if he doesn't sign with CGY after 30 days from NoDak hopefully losing in the Frozen Four, would be a UFA, as he completed his degree in three years and thus "expedited" that process. (You can declare being done with school early, at which point your 30-day clock starts.)

So Casty, Stanley, etc - their teams would still hold their rights after their senior year for those 30 days. It's supposed to incentivize (especially fringe) players to complete their degrees (to help them start their post-hockey careers) and teams to let them do so. Same idea for Walsh and Fegaras.

Fisher is a weird case, because he did play a full season at Northeastern, then dropped back down to the BCHL the next season. I don't know if the clock starts at NEU (and thus San Jose would lose his rights after his junior year) or if it gets "reset" for the BCHL stint and SJ keeps him until after his senior year here.

Quote from: BearLover on April 08, 2026, 12:54:48 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 08, 2026, 12:06:16 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 08, 2026, 11:13:55 AM

Quote from: coz on April 08, 2026, 11:02:56 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 08, 2026, 09:26:01 AMIm so lost... tried looking this up a little while ago and couldn't find anything I could understand. So it's 4 years starting when you enter college? Then why would Castagna/Hoyts rights expire if they didn't leave this year?

They wouldn't. They would expire at the end of next season.

If a player is drafted at age 18 their rights are held for 4 years. If they're 19 or 20 it's 3 years. That clock starts the moment they're drafted. The clock get's extended if they stay in school.


Here are 4 examples from this year's team (Though given how recent the CBA changes were none of them fall under this criteria, but if they did here's how it works.)

Castagna - Drafted at age 18, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his senior year.

Walsh - Drafted at age 19, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year, unless he stayed in school, which would extend the clock another year.

Veilleux - Drafted at age 18, matriculated one year later. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year unless he stays in school.

Fisher - Drafted at age 18, matriculated two years later (Technically just one but he played two years of junior post draft). His clock would expire at the end of his sophomore season unless he stays in school.


Now in all practicality this changes very little for us as fans and for Cornell as a program. This mostly about giving the players more options. If Puglisi gets drafted and goes and plays junior, he can still stay at Cornell for 4 years, he just has the option to become a free agent after his junior year if he thinks he's ready and the team who drafted him doesn't want him or he wants to sign somewhere else.

Edit to say: All of our current drafted players fall under the old CBA rules which are practically the same except for the leaving early piece and signing deadline. Plus this change doesn't go into effect until the 2027 draft.

I know this rule was discussed, and perhaps even enacted, as part of the recent CBA, but I was told that it does not apply to kids in college. Which is to say, for kids in college, the drafting team's signing rights still don't expire until 30 days after their senior year, regardless of their age when drafted.

That's the part I'm trying to confirm - does the new CBA rule actually apply to college kids, or or college kids treated the same as they were under the old CBA?

Pretty sure BL is right here.

From my understanding, they changed the CBA rule to apply retroactively. Hence why a guy like Wiebe, if he doesn't sign with CGY after 30 days from NoDak hopefully losing in the Frozen Four, would be a UFA, as he completed his degree in three years and thus "expedited" that process. (You can declare being done with school early, at which point your 30-day clock starts.)

So Casty, Stanley, etc - their teams would still hold their rights after their senior year for those 30 days. It's supposed to incentivize (especially fringe) players to complete their degrees (to help them start their post-hockey careers) and teams to let them do so. Same idea for Walsh and Fegaras.

Fisher is a weird case, because he did play a full season at Northeastern, then dropped back down to the BCHL the next season. I don't know if the clock starts at NEU (and thus San Jose would lose his rights after his junior year) or if it gets "reset" for the BCHL stint and SJ keeps him until after his senior year here.

right but is it going to still work this way going forward? i know castagna and others who were drafted under the prior CBA are grandfathered into the old rules. but going forward, is a different rule now in place? or is it still "nhl team holds draft rights for 30 days past graduation"?

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Quote from: chimpfood on April 08, 2026, 09:26:01 AMIm so lost... tried looking this up a little while ago and couldn't find anything I could understand. So it's 4 years starting when you enter college? Then why would Castagna/Hoyts rights expire if they didn't leave this year?

They wouldn't. They would expire at the end of next season.

If a player is drafted at age 18 their rights are held for 4 years. If they're 19 or 20 it's 3 years. That clock starts the moment they're drafted. The clock get's extended if they stay in school.


Here are 4 examples from this year's team (Though given how recent the CBA changes were none of them fall under this criteria, but if they did here's how it works.)

Castagna - Drafted at age 18, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his senior year.

Walsh - Drafted at age 19, matriculated the same year. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year, unless he stayed in school, which would extend the clock another year.

Veilleux - Drafted at age 18, matriculated one year later. His clock would expire at the end of his junior year unless he stays in school.

Fisher - Drafted at age 18, matriculated two years later (Technically just one but he played two years of junior post draft). His clock would expire at the end of his sophomore season unless he stays in school.


Now in all practicality this changes very little for us as fans and for Cornell as a program. This mostly about giving the players more options. If Puglisi gets drafted and goes and plays junior, he can still stay at Cornell for 4 years, he just has the option to become a free agent after his junior year if he thinks he's ready and the team who drafted him doesn't want him or he wants to sign somewhere else.

Edit to say: All of our current drafted players fall under the old CBA rules which are practically the same except for the leaving early piece and signing deadline. Plus this change doesn't go into effect until the 2027 draft.

I know this rule was discussed, and perhaps even enacted, as part of the recent CBA, but I was told that it does not apply to kids in college. Which is to say, for kids in college, the drafting team's signing rights still don't expire until 30 days after their senior year, regardless of their age when drafted.

That's the part I'm trying to confirm - does the new CBA rule actually apply to college kids, or or college kids treated the same as they were under the old CBA?

Pretty sure BL is right here.

From my understanding, they changed the CBA rule to apply retroactively. Hence why a guy like Wiebe, if he doesn't sign with CGY after 30 days from NoDak hopefully losing in the Frozen Four, would be a UFA, as he completed his degree in three years and thus "expedited" that process. (You can declare being done with school early, at which point your 30-day clock starts.)

So Casty, Stanley, etc - their teams would still hold their rights after their senior year for those 30 days. It's supposed to incentivize (especially fringe) players to complete their degrees (to help them start their post-hockey careers) and teams to let them do so. Same idea for Walsh and Fegaras.

Fisher is a weird case, because he did play a full season at Northeastern, then dropped back down to the BCHL the next season. I don't know if the clock starts at NEU (and thus San Jose would lose his rights after his junior year) or if it gets "reset" for the BCHL stint and SJ keeps him until after his senior year here.

right but is it going to still work this way going forward? i know castagna and others who were drafted under the prior CBA are grandfathered into the old rules. but going forward, is a different rule now in place? or is it still "nhl team holds draft rights for 30 days past graduation"?

Based on what I've read, the language in the new CBA reads as  "If the player is a bona fide college student, the exclusive rights extend until 30 days after the player notifies the NHL they're leaving college hockey". I'm sure there's more than one way to "leave college hockey"

All this changes is that the rights of the players drafted out of the CHL are held longer, and drafted players who don't enter college at 18 have more options if they want to leave early.

Quote from: coz on April 08, 2026, 02:20:26 PMBased on what I've read, the language in the new CBA reads as  "If the player is a bona fide college student..."

Quote from: chimpfood on April 12, 2026, 12:27:20 AMSeason ended tonight for Des Moines. On the team were Ryland Randle and Henry Major.

Randle: 19 y/o defenseman, played on the second pair for Des Moines. 36 points in 62 games, will almost certainly come in this fall and compete for a spot in the lineup.

Major: winger, turned 19 in March, brother of Charlie. 26 points in 57 games. I would actually bet on him to come in this fall as well. He turned it on toward the end of the season, and I would guess he wants more than just 1 year of playing with his brother. Though, another year in the USHL would probably be better for his development.

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Quote from: chimpfood on April 12, 2026, 12:27:20 AMSeason ended tonight for Des Moines. On the team were Ryland Randle and Henry Major.

Randle: 19 y/o defenseman, played on the second pair for Des Moines. 36 points in 62 games, will almost certainly come in this fall and compete for a spot in the lineup.

Major: winger, turned 19 in March, brother of Charlie. 26 points in 57 games. I would actually bet on him to come in this fall as well. He turned it on toward the end of the season, and I would guess he wants more than just 1 year of playing with his brother. Though, another year in the USHL would probably be better for his development.

Thanks for the update. Where are you getting that Randle played on the second pair? He had by far the best production of any defenseman on the team. Not sure line charts are reliable.

Quote from: chimpfood on April 12, 2026, 12:27:20 AMSeason ended tonight for Des Moines. On the team were Ryland Randle and Henry Major.

Randle: 19 y/o defenseman, played on the second pair for Des Moines. 36 points in 62 games, will almost certainly come in this fall and compete for a spot in the lineup.

Major: winger, turned 19 in March, brother of Charlie. 26 points in 57 games. I would actually bet on him to come in this fall as well. He turned it on toward the end of the season, and I would guess he wants more than just 1 year of playing with his brother. Though, another year in the USHL would probably be better for his development.

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Quote from: chimpfood on April 12, 2026, 12:27:20 AMSeason ended tonight for Des Moines. On the team were Ryland Randle and Henry Major.

Randle: 19 y/o defenseman, played on the second pair for Des Moines. 36 points in 62 games, will almost certainly come in this fall and compete for a spot in the lineup.

Major: winger, turned 19 in March, brother of Charlie. 26 points in 57 games. I would actually bet on him to come in this fall as well. He turned it on toward the end of the season, and I would guess he wants more than just 1 year of playing with his brother. Though, another year in the USHL would probably be better for his development.

Thanks for the update. Where are you getting that Randle played on the second pair? He had by far the best production of any defenseman on the team. Not sure line charts are reliable.

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Quote from: chimpfood on April 12, 2026, 12:27:20 AMSeason ended tonight for Des Moines. On the team were Ryland Randle and Henry Major.

Randle: 19 y/o defenseman, played on the second pair for Des Moines. 36 points in 62 games, will almost certainly come in this fall and compete for a spot in the lineup.

Major: winger, turned 19 in March, brother of Charlie. 26 points in 57 games. I would actually bet on him to come in this fall as well. He turned it on toward the end of the season, and I would guess he wants more than just 1 year of playing with his brother. Though, another year in the USHL would probably be better for his development.

Additionally, in 3 playoff games, Randle had 2 assists and Major had 2 goals and 1 assist. Weird thing about Henry is that the USHL lists his birthday as April 7 and Elite Prospects gives him a March date. He's 19 either way, just a little unusual to see different dates.

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Quote from: chimpfood on April 12, 2026, 12:27:20 AMSeason ended tonight for Des Moines. On the team were Ryland Randle and Henry Major.

Randle: 19 y/o defenseman, played on the second pair for Des Moines. 36 points in 62 games, will almost certainly come in this fall and compete for a spot in the lineup.

Major: winger, turned 19 in March, brother of Charlie. 26 points in 57 games. I would actually bet on him to come in this fall as well. He turned it on toward the end of the season, and I would guess he wants more than just 1 year of playing with his brother. Though, another year in the USHL would probably be better for his development.

Additionally, in 3 playoff games, Randle had 2 assists and Major had 2 goals and 1 assist. Weird thing about Henry is that the USHL lists his birthday as April 7 and Elite Prospects gives him a March date. He's 19 either way, just a little unusual to see different dates.

That happens. One of my favorite guys in the world (Luke Woodworth) is listed as April 1st on EP but March 1st everywhere else. Also have a fun anecdote that the BU Dogpound, in I think Northeastern's old rink, put up a happy birthday message for their backup goalie, going off EP... and then got a DM thanking them, but his birthday was a few days later 😂

All this to say, don't trust EP with exact birthdays.

Quote from: stereax on April 12, 2026, 10:55:44 AM

Quote from: ithacat on April 12, 2026, 06:23:04 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 12, 2026, 12:27:20 AMSeason ended tonight for Des Moines. On the team were Ryland Randle and Henry Major.

Randle: 19 y/o defenseman, played on the second pair for Des Moines. 36 points in 62 games, will almost certainly come in this fall and compete for a spot in the lineup.

Major: winger, turned 19 in March, brother of Charlie. 26 points in 57 games. I would actually bet on him to come in this fall as well. He turned it on toward the end of the season, and I would guess he wants more than just 1 year of playing with his brother. Though, another year in the USHL would probably be better for his development.

Additionally, in 3 playoff games, Randle had 2 assists and Major had 2 goals and 1 assist. Weird thing about Henry is that the USHL lists his birthday as April 7 and Elite Prospects gives him a March date. He's 19 either way, just a little unusual to see different dates.

That happens. One of my favorite guys in the world (Luke Woodworth) is listed as April 1st on EP but March 1st everywhere else. Also have a fun anecdote that the BU Dogpound, in I think Northeastern's old rink, put up a happy birthday message for their backup goalie, going off EP... and then got a DM thanking them, but his birthday was a few days later 😂

All this to say, don't trust EP with exact birthdays.

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Quote from: chimpfood on April 12, 2026, 12:27:20 AMSeason ended tonight for Des Moines. On the team were Ryland Randle and Henry Major.

Randle: 19 y/o defenseman, played on the second pair for Des Moines. 36 points in 62 games, will almost certainly come in this fall and compete for a spot in the lineup.

Major: winger, turned 19 in March, brother of Charlie. 26 points in 57 games. I would actually bet on him to come in this fall as well. He turned it on toward the end of the season, and I would guess he wants more than just 1 year of playing with his brother. Though, another year in the USHL would probably be better for his development.

Additionally, in 3 playoff games, Randle had 2 assists and Major had 2 goals and 1 assist. Weird thing about Henry is that the USHL lists his birthday as April 7 and Elite Prospects gives him a March date. He's 19 either way, just a little unusual to see different dates.

That happens. One of my favorite guys in the world (Luke Woodworth) is listed as April 1st on EP but March 1st everywhere else. Also have a fun anecdote that the BU Dogpound, in I think Northeastern's old rink, put up a happy birthday message for their backup goalie, going off EP... and then got a DM thanking them, but his birthday was a few days later 😂

All this to say, don't trust EP with exact birthdays.

The BU Dogpound has social media accounts to which you can send DMs...?

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Quote from: underskill on April 15, 2026, 06:42:49 PMhttps://x.com/CollegePuckNXT/status/2044544090298081737

New recruit from WHL

Does that say 49 points in 27 games???

Quote from: underskill on April 15, 2026, 06:55:32 PMCan't wait till he transfers to an NCHC team, next year.  ;)

Quote from: chimpfood on April 15, 2026, 07:50:26 PMOur recruit Louis Wehmann can also fight like a motherfucker. He Armstrong and Catalano are gonna make for a hell of a fourth line next year

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 08:33:21 PMArmstrong is turning 20 soon. Physical player with solid numbers, seems like a decent recruit. It's concerning that we're bringing in another forward - perhaps Walsh is gone. Honestly though I'm mostly worried about goaltending at this point. If Cournoyer blindsided the coaches with his decision then we're pretty fucked.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 08:33:21 PMArmstrong is turning 20 soon. Physical player with solid numbers, seems like a decent recruit. It's concerning that we're bringing in another forward - perhaps Walsh is gone. Honestly though I'm mostly worried about goaltending at this point. If Cournoyer blindsided the coaches with his decision then we're pretty fucked.

We also tend to carry a good amount of extra guys. Plus, Armstrong is RW. Walsh is C.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 08:33:21 PMArmstrong is turning 20 soon. Physical player with solid numbers, seems like a decent recruit. It's concerning that we're bringing in another forward - perhaps Walsh is gone. Honestly though I'm mostly worried about goaltending at this point. If Cournoyer blindsided the coaches with his decision then we're pretty fucked.

We also tend to carry a good amount of extra guys. Plus, Armstrong is RW. Walsh is C.

In that case, I have to imagine Dec is going back to juniors for another year. Another Pelletier situation waiting to happen?

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 05:36:46 AMThe WHL is also an intimidating fighting league not for the faint of heart, so this guy is nails.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 05:36:46 AMThe WHL is also an intimidating fighting league not for the faint of heart, so this guy is nails.

RPI's incoming goalie Ethan McCallum getting killed in a fight with Josh Ravensbergen (1st round NHL, going to MSU).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8myAhnEEZDI They do pat each other on the back at the end. Weird.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 05:36:46 AMThe WHL is also an intimidating fighting league not for the faint of heart, so this guy is nails.

RPI's incoming goalie Ethan McCallum getting killed in a fight with Josh Ravensbergen (1st round NHL, going to MSU).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8myAhnEEZDI They do pat each other on the back at the end. Weird.

Puppies play fighting. Looks like fun.  Wish I were young again.

Quote from: The Rancor on April 16, 2026, 10:32:17 AMCoco Armstrong January highlight reel:

Ironworker OTM (https://chl.ca/whl-chiefs/video/january-ironworker-of-the-month-coco-armstrong/)

That first goal off the steal is glorious.

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Quote from: stereax on April 15, 2026, 08:42:40 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 15, 2026, 08:33:21 PMArmstrong is turning 20 soon. Physical player with solid numbers, seems like a decent recruit. It's concerning that we're bringing in another forward - perhaps Walsh is gone. Honestly though I'm mostly worried about goaltending at this point. If Cournoyer blindsided the coaches with his decision then we're pretty fucked.

We also tend to carry a good amount of extra guys. Plus, Armstrong is RW. Walsh is C.

In that case, I have to imagine Dec is going back to juniors for another year. Another Pelletier situation waiting to happen?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 12:32:26 PMNHL Central Scouting final rankings are out: https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-draft/final-central-scouting-2026-international-draft-rankings-released

North American Skater Rankings:
Tuminaro 96
Puglisi 112
Caton Ryan 177

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Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 12:32:26 PMNHL Central Scouting final rankings are out: https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-draft/final-central-scouting-2026-international-draft-rankings-released

North American Skater Rankings:
Tuminaro 96
Puglisi 112
Caton Ryan 177

they don't think caton ryan is good at hockey???

Out of age range?

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Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 12:32:26 PMNHL Central Scouting final rankings are out: https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-draft/final-central-scouting-2026-international-draft-rankings-released

North American Skater Rankings:
Tuminaro 96
Puglisi 112
Caton Ryan 177

they don't think caton ryan is good at hockey???

Out of age range?

Interesting sidenote - Ryan is listed as a C on the skater rankings.

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Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 12:53:44 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 12:49:19 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 12:38:27 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 12:32:26 PMNHL Central Scouting final rankings are out: https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-draft/final-central-scouting-2026-international-draft-rankings-released

North American Skater Rankings:
Tuminaro 96
Puglisi 112
Caton Ryan 177

they don't think caton ryan is good at hockey???

Out of age range?

Interesting sidenote - Ryan is listed as a C on the skater rankings.

What do you mean by this?

177 is great for a double overager, most of whom never remotely sniff these lists or get drafted. Putting up a point per game is obviously very good but NHL teams are going to discount that if you do it when you're 20.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:02:36 PMCurrent commits (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Would anybody with some knowledge like to take a stab at predicting the Fall they will enter?  I assume Armstong (F) and Wehmann (F) are a lock for Fall 26.  With Alexis gone (still not official!!!) that probably means Cirka (G) comes in Fall 26 too.  Arend (F), Hughes (F), Randle (D), and Sandruck (F) all turn 20 prior to September.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 12:32:26 PMNHL Central Scouting final rankings are out: https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-draft/final-central-scouting-2026-international-draft-rankings-released

North American Skater Rankings:
Tuminaro 96
Puglisi 112
Caton Ryan 177

they don't think caton ryan is good at hockey???

Out of age range?

Interesting sidenote - Ryan is listed as a C on the skater rankings.

What do you mean by this?

177 is great for a double overager, most of whom never remotely sniff these lists or get drafted. Putting up a point per game is obviously very good but NHL teams are going to discount that if you do it when you're 20.

He's... listed as a C (center) on the rankings.

Cato is still 19, actually. He turns 20 in June. He's a couple days younger than Celebrini. And came here, as per Casey, a year ahead of schedule. (Also, it was - mostly - a joke. I don't seriously think the guy is a first-rounder.)

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 12:49:19 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 12:38:27 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 12:32:26 PMNHL Central Scouting final rankings are out: https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-draft/final-central-scouting-2026-international-draft-rankings-released

North American Skater Rankings:
Tuminaro 96
Puglisi 112
Caton Ryan 177

they don't think caton ryan is good at hockey???

Out of age range?

Interesting sidenote - Ryan is listed as a C on the skater rankings.

What do you mean by this?

177 is great for a double overager, most of whom never remotely sniff these lists or get drafted. Putting up a point per game is obviously very good but NHL teams are going to discount that if you do it when you're 20.

He's... listed as a C (center) on the rankings.

Cato is still 19, actually. He turns 20 in June. He's a couple days younger than Celebrini. And came here, as per Casey, a year ahead of schedule. (Also, it was - mostly - a joke. I don't seriously think the guy is a first-rounder.)

Oh. I thought you meant C rating. Central scouting assigns letter grades to players in earlier rankings and I wasn't seeing that anywhere.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:02:36 PMCurrent commits (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Would anybody with some knowledge like to take a stab at predicting the Fall they will enter?  I assume Armstong (F) and Wehmann (F) are a lock for Fall 26.  With Alexis gone (still not official!!!) that probably means Cirka (G) comes in Fall 26 too.  Arend (F), Hughes (F), Randle (D), and Sandruck (F) all turn 20 prior to September.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:02:36 PMCurrent commits (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Would anybody with some knowledge like to take a stab at predicting the Fall they will enter?  I assume Armstong (F) and Wehmann (F) are a lock for Fall 26.  With Alexis gone (still not official!!!) that probably means Cirka (G) comes in Fall 26 too.  Arend (F), Hughes (F), Randle (D), and Sandruck (F) all turn 20 prior to September.

Cirka should not come. I would definitely think we take a goalie out of the portal instead. Sandruck decommitted awhile ago.  Armstrong, Wehmann, Arend, Hughes, Randle, Tuminaro highly likely to come. Hopefully Dec too to avoid a Pelletier scenario.

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 01:17:07 PMSandruck decommitted awhile ago.

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 01:10:46 PMI thought you meant C rating. Central scouting assigns letter grades to players in earlier rankings and I wasn't seeing that anywhere.

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 01:11:45 PMThough I should find some way to get my hands on the EP guide for this year when it comes out, because those guys rate their players.

Quote from: arugula on April 16, 2026, 01:49:48 PMSandruck has played on five teams this year.  What's that about?  Is he committed to another school, sounds like he's got some, ahem, issues

QuoteMichael Sandruck reportedly decommitted from Cornell due to a lack of expected progress in his development, according to forum discussions. It was suggested that the decision for him to leave the recruiting class may have been initiated by the university.

    Source: eLynah Forum Discussion (November 2025)*
    Reason: Did not progress as hoped, per forum, making it likely a mutual or school-initiated separation.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:02:36 PMCurrent commits (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Would anybody with some knowledge like to take a stab at predicting the Fall they will enter?  I assume Armstong (F) and Wehmann (F) are a lock for Fall 26.  With Alexis gone (still not official!!!) that probably means Cirka (G) comes in Fall 26 too.  Arend (F), Hughes (F), Randle (D), and Sandruck (F) all turn 20 prior to September.

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Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 01:10:46 PMI thought you meant C rating. Central scouting assigns letter grades to players in earlier rankings and I wasn't seeing that anywhere.

By "earlier" do you mean younger players, or an obsolete prior ranking scale?  I've only seen the 3.75 / 4.00 numeric scale.

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:02:36 PMCurrent commits (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Would anybody with some knowledge like to take a stab at predicting the Fall they will enter?  I assume Armstong (F) and Wehmann (F) are a lock for Fall 26.  With Alexis gone (still not official!!!) that probably means Cirka (G) comes in Fall 26 too.  Arend (F), Hughes (F), Randle (D), and Sandruck (F) all turn 20 prior to September.

My list for this fall is Armstrong, Wehmann, Hughes, Dec, Arend, Randle, Tuminaro. Six or seven skaters (depending on Walsh) leave and seven come in.

Cirka needs another year and I wouldn't even wager that he's better than Roest and Katz at this point in his career.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:46:36 PM

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 01:11:45 PMThough I should find some way to get my hands on the EP guide for this year when it comes out, because those guys rate their players.

Is that an actual physical book?  I assumed that stuff was the EP After Dark content you get if you subscribe, which I never do, because I am a free riding bastard.

Quote from: arugula on April 16, 2026, 01:49:48 PMSandruck has played on five teams this year.  What's that about?  Is he committed to another school, sounds like he's got some, ahem, issues

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Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:02:36 PMCurrent commits (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Would anybody with some knowledge like to take a stab at predicting the Fall they will enter?  I assume Armstong (F) and Wehmann (F) are a lock for Fall 26.  With Alexis gone (still not official!!!) that probably means Cirka (G) comes in Fall 26 too.  Arend (F), Hughes (F), Randle (D), and Sandruck (F) all turn 20 prior to September.

My list for this fall is Armstrong, Wehmann, Hughes, Dec, Arend, Randle, Tuminaro. Six or seven skaters (depending on Walsh) leave and seven come in.

Cirka needs another year and I wouldn't even wager that he's better than Roest and Katz at this point in his career.

Same list as mine. I'll be honest, I think we're fucked if we don't get a good goalie in the portal. I'm assuming we can't pull off a late recruit due to the timing of Cournoyer's decision.

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 03:04:53 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 16, 2026, 02:48:10 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:02:36 PMCurrent commits (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Would anybody with some knowledge like to take a stab at predicting the Fall they will enter?  I assume Armstong (F) and Wehmann (F) are a lock for Fall 26.  With Alexis gone (still not official!!!) that probably means Cirka (G) comes in Fall 26 too.  Arend (F), Hughes (F), Randle (D), and Sandruck (F) all turn 20 prior to September.

My list for this fall is Armstrong, Wehmann, Hughes, Dec, Arend, Randle, Tuminaro. Six or seven skaters (depending on Walsh) leave and seven come in.

Cirka needs another year and I wouldn't even wager that he's better than Roest and Katz at this point in his career.

Same list as mine. I'll be honest, I think we're fucked if we don't get a good goalie in the portal. I'm assuming we can't pull off a late recruit due to the timing of Cournoyer's decision.

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 02:13:26 PM

Quote from: arugula on April 16, 2026, 01:49:48 PMSandruck has played on five teams this year.  What's that about?  Is he committed to another school, sounds like he's got some, ahem, issues

Only 4, the fifth line is aggregate.

He's from just outside Rochester.  Those people are all crazy.

BTW, AI so probably nonsense but:

QuoteMichael Sandruck reportedly decommitted from Cornell due to a lack of expected progress in his development, according to forum discussions. It was suggested that the decision for him to leave the recruiting class may have been initiated by the university.

    Source: eLynah Forum Discussion (November 2025)*
    Reason: Did not progress as hoped, per forum, making it likely a mutual or school-initiated separation.

* We have achieved the Ouroboros.

Quote from: RichH on April 16, 2026, 04:33:40 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 02:13:26 PM

Quote from: arugula on April 16, 2026, 01:49:48 PMSandruck has played on five teams this year.  What's that about?  Is he committed to another school, sounds like he's got some, ahem, issues

Only 4, the fifth line is aggregate.

He's from just outside Rochester.  Those people are all crazy.

BTW, AI so probably nonsense but:

QuoteMichael Sandruck reportedly decommitted from Cornell due to a lack of expected progress in his development, according to forum discussions. It was suggested that the decision for him to leave the recruiting class may have been initiated by the university.

    Source: eLynah Forum Discussion (November 2025)*
    Reason: Did not progress as hoped, per forum, making it likely a mutual or school-initiated separation.

* We have achieved the Ouroboros.

So the Russian bots posting here were just a diversion to train the AI ubermodels? Oh man, we'll bring down the economy by ourselves, if true.

Quote from: fastforward on April 16, 2026, 06:32:27 PM

QuoteHe's from just outside Rochester.  Those people are all crazy.

 Walshy and Kraft too?? 😆

Quote from: stereax on April 16, 2026, 06:48:24 PM

Quote from: fastforward on April 16, 2026, 06:32:27 PM

QuoteHe's from just outside Rochester.  Those people are all crazy.

 Walshy and Kraft too?? 😆

Jake Kraft is a 5'8" dude who thinks he's 6'3"...

Quote from: adamw on April 16, 2026, 03:42:11 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 03:04:53 PM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 16, 2026, 02:48:10 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:02:36 PMCurrent commits (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2026/2026_Future_Players.html).

Would anybody with some knowledge like to take a stab at predicting the Fall they will enter?  I assume Armstong (F) and Wehmann (F) are a lock for Fall 26.  With Alexis gone (still not official!!!) that probably means Cirka (G) comes in Fall 26 too.  Arend (F), Hughes (F), Randle (D), and Sandruck (F) all turn 20 prior to September.

My list for this fall is Armstrong, Wehmann, Hughes, Dec, Arend, Randle, Tuminaro. Six or seven skaters (depending on Walsh) leave and seven come in.

Cirka needs another year and I wouldn't even wager that he's better than Roest and Katz at this point in his career.

Same list as mine. I'll be honest, I think we're fucked if we don't get a good goalie in the portal. I'm assuming we can't pull off a late recruit due to the timing of Cournoyer's decision.

There are going to be more recruits. Good ones. You'll see.

I'd be more concerned about the churn, and what it does to the proverbial culture, than the talent Cornell is bringing in. But like I said, this is the problem everywhere.

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 02:51:19 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on April 16, 2026, 01:43:40 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 16, 2026, 01:10:46 PMI thought you meant C rating. Central scouting assigns letter grades to players in earlier rankings and I wasn't seeing that anywhere.

By "earlier" do you mean younger players, or an obsolete prior ranking scale?  I've only seen the 3.75 / 4.00 numeric scale.

NHL central scouting releases three sets of rankings per year (I think it's usually like October, January, April). Their initial ranking assigns players a letter grade. Their midterm and final rankings rank the players in order numerically.

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 10:45:13 AMSo we'd end up with 16-18 forwards, 11 defensemen, 3 goalies, for 30-32 players total.

This assumes everyone currently on the roster sticks it out to next year.

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 11:46:27 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 10:45:13 AMSo we'd end up with 16-18 forwards, 11 defensemen, 3 goalies, for 30-32 players total.

This assumes everyone currently on the roster sticks it out to next year.

and ursusminor made reference to a forward recruit that RPI lost to Cornell.

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 11:51:51 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 11:46:27 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 10:45:13 AMSo we'd end up with 16-18 forwards, 11 defensemen, 3 goalies, for 30-32 players total.

This assumes everyone currently on the roster sticks it out to next year.

and ursusminor made reference to a forward recruit that RPI lost to Cornell.

Hmm. Matriculating this fall?

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 11:51:51 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 11:46:27 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 10:45:13 AMSo we'd end up with 16-18 forwards, 11 defensemen, 3 goalies, for 30-32 players total.

This assumes everyone currently on the roster sticks it out to next year.

and ursusminor made reference to a forward recruit that RPI lost to Cornell.

Hmm. Matriculating this fall?

I wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

Quote from: stereax on April 19, 2026, 02:48:03 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 11:51:51 AM

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 11:46:27 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 10:45:13 AMSo we'd end up with 16-18 forwards, 11 defensemen, 3 goalies, for 30-32 players total.

This assumes everyone currently on the roster sticks it out to next year.

and ursusminor made reference to a forward recruit that RPI lost to Cornell.

Hmm. Matriculating this fall?

I wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

I thought that was Armstrong, but seems there's another one in the wings.

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 10:45:13 AMDepending on whether Walsh returns, we have 24 or 25 spots accounted for on next year's roster: 12-13 forwards, 9 defensemen, 3 goalies.

Forwards (12-13)
[Walsh?]
Major
Ryan
Kraft
Zadvernyuk
Long
DiGiulian
Devlin
Hiscock
Pirtle
Catalano
Arseneault
Murray

Defensemen (9)
Veilleux
Fegaras
Ashton
Fisher
Gorski
Wolfenberg
Hamilton
McCrady
Mosko

Goalies (3)
Rosseau
Roest
Katz

Then we have the following recruits incoming or possibly incoming:

Forwards (4-5)
[Dec?]
Arend
Armstrong
Wehmann
Hughes

Defensemen (2)
Randle
Tuminaro

So we'd end up with 16-18 forwards, 11 defensemen, 3 goalies, for 30-32 players total.

This assumes everyone currently on the roster sticks it out to next year.

That's a really big roster. The sheer number of forwards makes me think Walsh could be leaving and Dec could be staying in juniors. Not bringing in Dec seems like it could come back to bite us, similar to when we had a chance to bring in [Redacted] last season and did not. [Redacted] will run away with the USHL MVP award this season. The coaches may wish for Dec to develop his defensive game in juniors, but production-wise he is the best forward in our pipeline.

Either way, we are going to be deep at forward. On defense you can pencil in the top 4 and then Randle/Tuminaro/Gorski will likely compete for the final two spots, though most of the other defensemen got some ice time this season so who knows. Goaltending is the biggest question mark; will be interesting to see what Rousseau can do.

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PMI wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 09:21:28 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PMI wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

What could all the possible reasons be why this has not come out yet?

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 09:21:28 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PMI wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

What could all the possible reasons be why this has not come out yet?

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 09:58:29 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 09:21:28 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PMI wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

What could all the possible reasons be why this has not come out yet?

The kid doesn't have an instagram

Quote from: stereax on April 20, 2026, 09:54:10 AMThe 2026-27 roster is currently showing! (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2026-27)

Notable: Walsh is still there.

Incoming!

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Left
Charlie Arend
Freshman Wilmette, Ill. Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)

Forward 6'0" 185 lbs Right
Coco Armstrong
Freshman West Vancouver, British Columbia Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

Forward 6'1" 170 lbs Left
Callum Hughes
Freshman Basking Ridge, N.J. Erie Otters (OHL)

Defenseman 5'10" 170 lbs Left
Ryland Randle
Freshman Winnipeg, Manitoba Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)

Goaltender 5'11" 175 lbs Left
Mathis Rousseau
Sophomore Boisbriand, Québec University of Maine (HEA)

Defenseman 6'4" 229 lbs Right
Cole Tuminaro
Freshman South Beloit, Ill. Chicago Steel (USHL)

Forward 6'3" 209 lbs Left
Louie Wehmann
Freshman Wayzata, Minn. Penticton Vees (WHL)

Forward 6'3" 200 lbs Left
Ivan Zadvernyuk
Junior Moscow, Russia Brown University (ECAC)

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:13:13 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 09:58:29 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 09:21:28 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PMI wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

What could all the possible reasons be why this has not come out yet?

The kid doesn't have an instagram

He does have one.

Quote from: chimpfood on April 20, 2026, 11:04:32 AMHmm, don't love sending Dec back but maybe he's shit defensively or something

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 11:13:58 AM

Quote from: chimpfood on April 20, 2026, 11:04:32 AMHmm, don't love sending Dec back but maybe he's shit defensively or something

Or the Cornell coaches gave him a choice, telling him we are deep at forward, and he decided to go back to Erie because he enjoys it there. But we are taking on risk by not bringing him in.

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 10:29:12 AM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:13:13 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 09:58:29 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 09:21:28 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PMI wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

What could all the possible reasons be why this has not come out yet?

The kid doesn't have an instagram

He does have one.

Looking at OHL '05s that have good numbers and a family connection that would make ursusminor think they're unlikely to commit to RPI I was wondering if it's Brad Gardiner (Barrie) -- drafted in the 3rd by Dallas, father Bruce was a captain at Colgate.

Another interesting '05 is Jack Pridham at Kitchener who appears to have decommitted from BU.

The last one that was interesting was Braiden Clark who was at Providence and then left after his freshman year to go to London in the OHL -- dad Chris was a star at Clarkson -- but he committed to Colgate a couple days ago.

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 11:33:01 AMI wrote CHL, not necessarily OHL.  https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=285785

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 12:51:44 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 11:33:01 AMI wrote CHL, not necessarily OHL.  https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=285785

I know you did. I actually flipped through 05's in the Q first, figuring Casey has an advantage there. I didn't find anyone that fit my criteria. Did the same in the WHL, handful of RPI commits but no uncommitted, father played NCAA hockey, decent stats players available. I have no idea if that criteria is right but if it is I stand by my short list :)

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:03:26 PM

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 12:51:44 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 11:33:01 AMI wrote CHL, not necessarily OHL.  https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=285785

I know you did. I actually flipped through 05's in the Q first, figuring Casey has an advantage there. I didn't find anyone that fit my criteria. Did the same in the WHL, handful of RPI commits but no uncommitted, father played NCAA hockey, decent stats players available. I have no idea if that criteria is right but if it is I stand by my short list :)

Seems he was never actually committed to RPI, but rather RPI was recruiting him.

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:07:52 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:03:26 PM

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 12:51:44 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 11:33:01 AMI wrote CHL, not necessarily OHL.  https://elf.elynah.com/index.php?msg=285785

I know you did. I actually flipped through 05's in the Q first, figuring Casey has an advantage there. I didn't find anyone that fit my criteria. Did the same in the WHL, handful of RPI commits but no uncommitted, father played NCAA hockey, decent stats players available. I have no idea if that criteria is right but if it is I stand by my short list :)

Seems he was never actually committed to RPI, but rather RPI was recruiting him.

Correct that he did not commit to RPI, but RPI was after him. There are, however, seven known WHL players expected in the fall, which I assume if what pfibiger means. (He must have big hands.)

Quote from: chimpfood on April 20, 2026, 12:10:15 PMYeah Dec is the kind of guy that isn't going to be too useful on the third or fourth line, so maybe it makes sense in that way. Whereas Wehmann, Armstrong, Hughes could excel on the fourth line. Plus we have a shit ton of left wingers already. Just don't want to send him back and risk losing him.

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:07:52 PMCorrect that he did not commit to RPI, but RPI was after him. There are, however, seven known WHL players expected in the fall, which I assume if what pfibiger means. (He must have big hands.)

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 10:29:12 AM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:13:13 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 19, 2026, 09:58:29 PM

Quote from: adamw on April 19, 2026, 09:21:28 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 19, 2026, 12:32:46 PMI wonder now if it is true because it has been a while. It might have been that we lost him to Cornell, but Cornell didn't get him either. It could however be that it takes a while for him to get through Cornell admissions. He has not appeared on anyone else's list either. Since he was born in 2005, if he is an actual recruit he would be going to Ithaca this fall.

What could all the possible reasons be why this has not come out yet?

The kid doesn't have an instagram

He does have one.

Looking at OHL '05s that have good numbers and a family connection that would make ursusminor think they're unlikely to commit to RPI I was wondering if it's Brad Gardiner (Barrie) -- drafted in the 3rd by Dallas, father Bruce was a captain at Colgate.

Another interesting '05 is Jack Pridham at Kitchener who appears to have decommitted from BU.

The last one that was interesting was Braiden Clark who was at Providence and then left after his freshman year to go to London in the OHL -- dad Chris was a star at Clarkson -- but he committed to Colgate a couple days ago.

Quote from: BearLover on April 20, 2026, 01:50:30 PMhttps://t.co/yB1qw8vG1X

Some interesting data here. He's too confident in his conclusions and IMO doesn't provide coherent causal mechanisms for some of his claims, but the raw data is interesting and it's cool he compiled it. It does support the notion that offensive production in the USHL should be treated similarly to that in the CHL.

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 02:57:39 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:07:52 PMCorrect that he did not commit to RPI, but RPI was after him. There are, however, seven known WHL players expected in the fall, which I assume if what pfibiger means. (He must have big hands.)

That is what I meant. And the handful was only the '05s, not all RPI recruits in the WHL.

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 03:31:35 PM

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 02:57:39 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:07:52 PMCorrect that he did not commit to RPI, but RPI was after him. There are, however, seven known WHL players expected in the fall, which I assume if what pfibiger means. (He must have big hands.)

That is what I meant. And the handful was only the '05s, not all RPI recruits in the WHL.

Got it.

Quote from: BearLover on April 21, 2026, 10:07:08 AM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 03:31:35 PM

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 02:57:39 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:07:52 PMCorrect that he did not commit to RPI, but RPI was after him. There are, however, seven known WHL players expected in the fall, which I assume if what pfibiger means. (He must have big hands.)

That is what I meant. And the handful was only the '05s, not all RPI recruits in the WHL.

Got it.

Can we get one more clue

Quote from: ursusminor on April 21, 2026, 10:46:40 AM

Quote from: BearLover on April 21, 2026, 10:07:08 AM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 03:31:35 PM

Quote from: pfibiger on April 20, 2026, 02:57:39 PM

Quote from: ursusminor on April 20, 2026, 01:07:52 PMCorrect that he did not commit to RPI, but RPI was after him. There are, however, seven known WHL players expected in the fall, which I assume if what pfibiger means. (He must have big hands.)

That is what I meant. And the handful was only the '05s, not all RPI recruits in the WHL.

Got it.

Can we get one more clue

I wrote more than I should have written already. If I had realized that most Cornell fans here are now saying "good riddanace " to Cournoyer, I would not have written anything. It will all come out eventually.

Maybe Cournoyer wanted Cornell to become Cournell. :D

Quote from: stereax on April 21, 2026, 11:38:17 AMThis message board, playing 20 Questions to eke out any additional info, I stg we should just open a detective agency...

Quote from: stereax on April 22, 2026, 03:32:16 PMAs per a regional scout, Daniel Walters is coming to Cornell. (https://x.com/i/status/2047034787085357472)

'26 draft eligible. 18yo so probably not this year. "Hard-hitting", has "some bite" (110 PIMs in 63 games, 15G 15A this year with Halifax in the Q).

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMRated 114 by NHL Central Scouting. We now have recruits at 96, 112, and 114 in this year's rankings, plus Caton Ryan at 177.

Clearly a great pickup. Hard to figure any rhyme or reason in our recruiting philosophy, the kids we're recruiting span the gamut of location, age, league, pro potential. Not complaining, just find it interesting. Hopefully they all want a good education and that's the commonality among them.

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMRated 114 by NHL Central Scouting. We now have recruits at 96, 112, and 114 in this year's rankings, plus Caton Ryan at 177.

Quote from: ugarte on April 22, 2026, 04:33:38 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMRated 114 by NHL Central Scouting. We now have recruits at 96, 112, and 114 in this year's rankings, plus Caton Ryan at 177.

Daniel Walters is really good at hockey?

Quote from: Pghas on April 22, 2026, 05:41:12 PM

Quote from: ugarte on April 22, 2026, 04:33:38 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMRated 114 by NHL Central Scouting. We now have recruits at 96, 112, and 114 in this year's rankings, plus Caton Ryan at 177.

Daniel Walters is really good at hockey?

It's great to be ranked at all, so that's good.  Just bear in mind that the rankings you're looking at are only including North American skaters.  So overall rankings tend to be much lower.  still all could be drafted.

Quote from: ugarte on April 22, 2026, 07:13:21 PM

Quote from: Pghas on April 22, 2026, 05:41:12 PM

Quote from: ugarte on April 22, 2026, 04:33:38 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMRated 114 by NHL Central Scouting. We now have recruits at 96, 112, and 114 in this year's rankings, plus Caton Ryan at 177.

Daniel Walters is really good at hockey?

It's great to be ranked at all, so that's good.  Just bear in mind that the rankings you're looking at are only including North American skaters.  So overall rankings tend to be much lower.  still all could be drafted.

lol i just meant "ranked ahead of caton ryan, who is good at hockey"

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMRated 114 by NHL Central Scouting. We now have recruits at 96, 112, and 114 in this year's rankings, plus Caton Ryan at 177.

Clearly a great pickup. Hard to figure any rhyme or reason in our recruiting philosophy, the kids we're recruiting span the gamut of location, age, league, pro potential. Not complaining, just find it interesting. Hopefully they all want a good education and that's the commonality among them.

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMHard to figure any rhyme or reason in our recruiting philosophy

Quote from: Trotsky on April 22, 2026, 07:43:39 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMHard to figure any rhyme or reason in our recruiting philosophy

Nous recrutons / des francophones.

Quote from: ugarte on April 22, 2026, 04:33:38 PM

Quote from: BearLover on April 22, 2026, 04:15:26 PMRated 114 by NHL Central Scouting. We now have recruits at 96, 112, and 114 in this year's rankings, plus Caton Ryan at 177.

Daniel Walters is really good at hockey?