Not a surprise but well deserved.
CJ Kirst (https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/cj-kirst-wins-2025-tewaaraton-award)
(theme to Jesus Christ Superstar begins playing)
I am curious where people would rank CJ among the pantheon of great Cornell athletes and where they would rank CJ's championship game performance among the great performances of Cornell athletes.
Let's assume team sports only (otherwise the second list would be mostly wrestlers I think).
Here's a list I made some time ago, he's up there with Dryden and Marinaro. Like Dryden, he brought home an NCAA championship.
Kyle Dake and other dominant Cornell athletes
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com) [ PM ]
Date: March 28, 2013 04:35PM
Kyle Dake's extraordinary achievements led me to think about other truly dominant Cornell athletes. By dominant I mean athletes who stood head and shoulders above their intercollegiate peers as defined by sport and era (to accommodate changed levels of competition).
The following list is biased towards athletes of the last 50 years because that coincides with my time on the Hill and as an alum. It's also biased towards the sports that I've followed most closely and towards men's teams, because until recently women have played in their shadows. Because Ivy football and basketball lack parity with nationally ranked teams, I've set the bar lower for these two sports.
Men's Hockey: Ken Dryden, Doug Ferguson, Bruce Pattison, Dan Lodboa, Doug Murray, Lance Nethery, Joe Nieuwendyk, Dan Ratushny.
Men's Lacrosse: Mark Webster, Butch Hilliard, Bruce Cohen, Mike French, Eamon McEneany, Bill Marino, Tim Goldstein, Max Siebald, Rob Pannell.
Football: Gary Wood, Pete Gogolak, Ed Marinaro, Chris Zingo, Chad Levitt, Tom McHale, Kevin Boothe.
Wrestling: Dave Auble, Travis Lee, Kyle Dake.
Basketball: Chuck Rolles, Ryan Whittman.
Track and Field: Charlie Moore, Meredith Gourdine.
Women's Hockey: Rebecca Johnston, Laura Fortino, Lauriane Rougeau, with more to follow soon.
As I thought about this, I realized just how many extraordinary athletes I've seen over the years or at least read about. I've set the bar high -- this list excludes scores of All-Americans. I'm sure that I've left out many deserving candidates.
For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.
Quote from: George64For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.
I'm pleased you included Bruce Cohen, who tends to be forgotten with all the attention given to the three titles in the 1970s.
Aaron Jones, a defenseman on the 1987 NCAA finalist team on the team deserves to be on the list alongside Chris Kane, Frank Muelleman, and Gavin Adler.
I appreciate the above fantastic list above, but now you have to rank the top 5.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.
I'm pleased you included Bruce Cohen, who tends to be forgotten with all the attention given to the three titles in the 1970s.
I would also add Harry Orr. He was a good, but not great, lacrosse player, but I'll never forget (and neither will opposing goalies) his patented submarine shot from midfield that won several lacrosse games for Cornell. But I hear he was also a pretty good ice hockey player (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Orr). If we add together his contributions in two sports, I think he belongs.
I'd add Teat.
Quote from: mike1960I'd add Teat.
And Gavin Adler.
You need to add Diakomihalis, Dean and Arujau to the wrestling list as 4x AA with at least two nattys. Arujau (Gold/Bronze) and Diakomihalis (Silver) also world medalists.
Should probably add Seth Payne, who opened the holes for Levitt and had a far better NFL career. Even got drafted a few spots ahead of him. JC Trotter, too. OL gets no respect!
Quote from: George64For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.
At some point, you may decide to add Ryan Goldstein to the list, but I think our next superstar will be Willem Firth.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: George64For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.
At some point, you may decide to add Ryan Goldstein to the list, but I think our next superstar will be Willem Firth.
I agree. Some of the TV commentators speculated that Firth would move to attack next year. My take is that he's too similar in style and physique to Goldstein, so he would stay at midfield:
Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: mike1960Quote from: George64For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.
At some point, you may decide to add Ryan Goldstein to the list, but I think our next superstar will be Willem Firth.
I agree. Some of the TV commentators speculated that Firth would move to attack next year. My take is that he's too similar in style and physique to Goldstein, so he would stay at midfield:
That would be my speculation too. Firth is a lefty who can slot into the CJ's spot. On the other side, maybe Ryan Waldman. He's righty who can pass and score.
Quote from: BearLoverI appreciate the above fantastic list above, but now you have to rank the top 5.
Actually, we don't.
Appreciate them all for what they have accomplished.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: mike1960Quote from: George64For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.
At some point, you may decide to add Ryan Goldstein to the list, but I think our next superstar will be Willem Firth.
I agree. Some of the TV commentators speculated that Firth would move to attack next year. My take is that he's too similar in style and physique to Goldstein, so he would stay at midfield:
That would be my speculation too. Firth is a lefty who can slot into the CJ's spot. On the other side, maybe Ryan Waldman. He's righty who can pass and score.
On the FanLax forum there is speculation that this new recruit will be starting at attack next year--according to Inside Lacrosse he is a five star recruit.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/72512?active=commitment
Quote from: CU77Quote from: BearLoverI appreciate the above fantastic list above, but now you have to rank the top 5.
Actually, we don't.
Appreciate them all for what they have accomplished.
It was intended as a fun exercise since as a newer fan I was interested in hearing where CJ ranks among the all-time greats. You are not required to participate.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: mike1960Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: mike1960Quote from: George64For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.
At some point, you may decide to add Ryan Goldstein to the list, but I think our next superstar will be Willem Firth.
I agree. Some of the TV commentators speculated that Firth would move to attack next year. My take is that he's too similar in style and physique to Goldstein, so he would stay at midfield:
That would be my speculation too. Firth is a lefty who can slot into the CJ's spot. On the other side, maybe Ryan Waldman. He's righty who can pass and score.
On the FanLax forum there is speculation that this new recruit will be starting at attack next year--according to Inside Lacrosse he is a five star recruit.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/72512?active=commitment
He looks great! We should have an exciting group at attack next year.
I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win a NC. Much less anxiety.
Also looking forward to seeing some new faces on the field and seeing how they stack up again the rest of the Ivy League.
Quote from: jjanow99I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win a NC. Much less anxiety.
Nope. Time to worry about back-to-back. ::wank::
Quote from: jjanow99I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win a NC. Much less anxiety.
Also looking forward to seeing some new faces on the field and seeing how they stack up again the rest of the Ivy League.
Me too! We're not likely going to see a team like this 2025 team anytime soon. It's as close to a team with graduate students that we'll have unless the Ivy League changes its rules. To me, our team this year resembles the 2022 Maryland team in a lot of ways. I'm happy we were able to rectify that loss. Maybe Syracuse will be next.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: jjanow99I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win a NC. Much less anxiety.
Nope. Time to worry about back-to-back. ::wank::
Not impossible! I think we can be similar to the Maryland team this year in terms of talent. And we have a great head coach, one of the best in the business. (I will not rank them.) Jordan Stevens is a huge loss though. The defense really responded to his coaching and became a great unit when it counted the most.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: jjanow99I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win a NC. Much less anxiety.
Also looking forward to seeing some new faces on the field and seeing how they stack up again the rest of the Ivy League.
Me too! We're not likely going to see a team like this 2025 team anytime soon. It's as close to a team with graduate students that we'll have unless the Ivy League changes its rules. To me, our team this year resembles the 2022 Maryland team in a lot of ways. I'm happy we were able to rectify that loss. Maybe Syracuse will be next.
I've been thinking this too. When the 2021 season was canceled, most (or maybe all?) of the freshmen + Michael Long took off spring semester. Four years later, we had a team loaded with fifth-years (and Long, who was technically a sixth-year). This counts their freshman season of no games as equivalent to a year of experience, so this is perhaps an exaggeration. And, of course, most other programs had the same opportunity (via COVID year or redshirting)—it is only Ivies who do not typically allow fifth year players. But the end result was a Cornell team filled with big, strong, experienced players. How large a factor this was, I don't know.
Still, I think the future is bright. We are returning Goldstein, Firth, and others who played big roles this year. We still have a great coach. And this championship should bolster recruiting. But I really do not like this trend of a mass exodus of graduating Ivy League stars using their final year of eligibility at Big 10 and ACC schools. See, for example, Maryland next year—they are again loading up on transfers, including three top players from Yale.
I agree with the notion that this championship win alleviates a ton of anxiety. This season was one of the most anxious years of Cornell sports fandom in my life. Between Schafer's last season and the impending graduation of 16 seniors (including Kirst) in men's lacrosse, it felt like this was the do-or-die year to finally win a championship. And, of course, every year it didn't happen—15 since I've been a fan, and 47 for those doing this longer than I—added to the pressure.
I am looking forward to enjoying Cornell sports in a more relaxed manner next season with this championship in our pocket. There is still the long championship drought in hockey, and though hockey is my and many other's biggest focus, lacrosse is second, and I can't deny that Cornell lacrosse was due for a title more than any other program at Cornell, and also more than any other lacrosse program in NCAA Division 1.
I would guess it's Goldstein Firth and Nicolic on attack next year. Firth and Goldstein produce enough that they need to be on attack and Nicolic has size that we are gonna need after we lose CJ and Hugh.
Quote from: chimpfoodI would guess it's Goldstein Firth and Nicolic on attack next year. Firth and Goldstein produce enough that they need to be on attack and Nicolic has size that we are gonna need after we lose CJ and Hugh.
You may be right. But Nicolic is also a good candidate for taking Hugh's place at midfield. Also, he's coming back from injury. Remember how Cascaden improved as he healed during the season. Incoming frosh Nurry may be a good fit at attack, but there's lots of adjustment to college during the first year. Goldstein was injured during the first half of his freshman season, and he was a star after that. But only this spring did people start to say his name in the same breath as "Tewaaraton."
Quote from: chimpfoodI would guess it's Goldstein Firth and Nicolic on attack next year. Firth and Goldstein produce enough that they need to be on attack and Nicolic has size that we are gonna need after we lose CJ and Hugh.
I think Nicolic stays at midfield, with Firth, Goldstein, and freshman Nurry the most likely attack line.
If the new recruit is unnamed, the Cornell chooses not to trumpet all incoming players. Good,
More greats: Without lacrosse attackman Alan Rimmer '71 (a Canadian), there would probably be no first Cornell lacrosse championship. In the 12-6 title game win over Maryland, Rimmer had six of the goals. He was first-team All-America but Army attackman Tom Cafaro won the Enners Award, a forerunner of the Tewaaraton. Cornell beat Army 17-16 at Army in the semifinal.
Jeff Teat, lacrosse, who started off so well, then defenses isolated on him and pushed around his 150-pound frame. He would have done better if the offense had more star power. He came into his own in pro lacrosse.
Izzy Daniel, the 2024 Patty Kazmeier Award.
Bruce Arena '73 was a star in both soccer and lacrosse. Top five in either? Maybe not. I think you deserve credit (glory to Cornell) for his coaching career.
I think anybody who medaled in the Olympics deserves mention, and even making the Olympics deserves consideration.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960Quote from: jjanow99I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win a NC. Much less anxiety.
Also looking forward to seeing some new faces on the field and seeing how they stack up again the rest of the Ivy League.
Me too! We're not likely going to see a team like this 2025 team anytime soon. It's as close to a team with graduate students that we'll have unless the Ivy League changes its rules. To me, our team this year resembles the 2022 Maryland team in a lot of ways. I'm happy we were able to rectify that loss. Maybe Syracuse will be next.
I've been thinking this too. When the 2021 season was canceled, most (or maybe all?) of the freshmen + Michael Long took off spring semester. Four years later, we had a team loaded with fifth-years (and Long, who was technically a sixth-year). This counts their freshman season of no games as equivalent to a year of experience, so this is perhaps an exaggeration. And, of course, most other programs had the same opportunity (via COVID year or redshirting)—it is only Ivies who do not typically allow fifth year players. But the end result was a Cornell team filled with big, strong, experienced players. How large a factor this was, I don't know.
Still, I think the future is bright. We are returning Goldstein, Firth, and others who played big roles this year. We still have a great coach. And this championship should bolster recruiting. But I really do not like this trend of a mass exodus of graduating Ivy League stars using their final year of eligibility at Big 10 and ACC schools. See, for example, Maryland next year—they are again loading up on transfers, including three top players from Yale.
I agree with the notion that this championship win alleviates a ton of anxiety. This season was one of the most anxious years of Cornell sports fandom in my life. Between Schafer's last season and the impending graduation of 16 seniors (including Kirst) in men's lacrosse, it felt like this was the do-or-die year to finally win a championship. And, of course, every year it didn't happen—15 since I've been a fan, and 47 for those doing this longer than I—added to the pressure.
I am looking forward to enjoying Cornell sports in a more relaxed manner next season with this championship in our pocket. There is still the long championship drought in hockey, and though hockey is my and many other's biggest focus, lacrosse is second, and I can't deny that Cornell lacrosse was due for a title more than any other program at Cornell, and also more than any other lacrosse program in NCAA Division 1.
I think we can rightly say we are a lacrosse school now.
No love for Derrick T. Harmon (there is another Derrick Harmon on pro football) in football? Lots of accolades during his time on the Hill and he won a Super Bowl ring with the Niners in '85. Note that this was just after Cornell was demoted to the second division.
Derrick T. Harmon (https://cornellbigred.com/honors/hall-of-fame/derrick-t-harmon/412)
Aside from remembering him for his prowess as a running back, he interned with my company in our Geosciences group one summer while he was still on the Niners (IIRC). So he wasn't just a jock (not that the others are).
If we are considering some great former Cornell athletes, I would include Eamon McEneaney.
My Mount Rushmore: Nieuwendyk, Dryden, Marinaro, Kirst
Quote from: George64Here's a list I made some time ago, he's up there with Dryden and Marinaro. Like Dryden, he brought home an NCAA championship.
Kyle Dake and other dominant Cornell athletes
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com) [ PM ]
Date: March 28, 2013 04:35PM
Kyle Dake's extraordinary achievements led me to think about other truly dominant Cornell athletes. By dominant I mean athletes who stood head and shoulders above their intercollegiate peers as defined by sport and era (to accommodate changed levels of competition).
The following list is biased towards athletes of the last 50 years because that coincides with my time on the Hill and as an alum. It's also biased towards the sports that I've followed most closely and towards men's teams, because until recently women have played in their shadows. Because Ivy football and basketball lack parity with nationally ranked teams, I've set the bar lower for these two sports.
Men's Hockey: Ken Dryden, Doug Ferguson, Bruce Pattison, Dan Lodboa, Doug Murray, Lance Nethery, Joe Nieuwendyk, Dan Ratushny.
Men's Lacrosse: Mark Webster, Butch Hilliard, Bruce Cohen, Mike French, Eamon McEneany, Bill Marino, Tim Goldstein, Max Siebald, Rob Pannell.
Football: Gary Wood, Pete Gogolak, Ed Marinaro, Chris Zingo, Chad Levitt, Tom McHale, Kevin Boothe.
Wrestling: Dave Auble, Travis Lee, Kyle Dake.
Basketball: Chuck Rolles, Ryan Whittman.
Track and Field: Charlie Moore, Meredith Gourdine.
Women's Hockey: Rebecca Johnston, Laura Fortino, Lauriane Rougeau, with more to follow soon.
As I thought about this, I realized just how many extraordinary athletes I've seen over the years or at least read about. I've set the bar high -- this list excludes scores of All-Americans. I'm sure that I've left out many deserving candidates.
I would add Morgan Uceny to the track & field list. She was the #1-ranked women's 1500 meter runner in the world in 2011 (the first American in 26 years). She had the misfortune of being tripped in the finals at both the 2011 world championships and the 2012 London olympics.
Rudy Winkler was ranked #1 in the world in the men's hammer throw in 2020 and #2 in 2021.
Quote from: bernieQuote from: George64Here's a list I made some time ago, he's up there with Dryden and Marinaro. Like Dryden, he brought home an NCAA championship.
Kyle Dake and other dominant Cornell athletes
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com) [ PM ]
Date: March 28, 2013 04:35PM
Kyle Dake's extraordinary achievements led me to think about other truly dominant Cornell athletes. By dominant I mean athletes who stood head and shoulders above their intercollegiate peers as defined by sport and era (to accommodate changed levels of competition).
The following list is biased towards athletes of the last 50 years because that coincides with my time on the Hill and as an alum. It's also biased towards the sports that I've followed most closely and towards men's teams, because until recently women have played in their shadows. Because Ivy football and basketball lack parity with nationally ranked teams, I've set the bar lower for these two sports.
Men's Hockey: Ken Dryden, Doug Ferguson, Bruce Pattison, Dan Lodboa, Doug Murray, Lance Nethery, Joe Nieuwendyk, Dan Ratushny.
Men's Lacrosse: Mark Webster, Butch Hilliard, Bruce Cohen, Mike French, Eamon McEneany, Bill Marino, Tim Goldstein, Max Siebald, Rob Pannell.
Football: Gary Wood, Pete Gogolak, Ed Marinaro, Chris Zingo, Chad Levitt, Tom McHale, Kevin Boothe.
Wrestling: Dave Auble, Travis Lee, Kyle Dake.
Basketball: Chuck Rolles, Ryan Whittman.
Track and Field: Charlie Moore, Meredith Gourdine.
Women's Hockey: Rebecca Johnston, Laura Fortino, Lauriane Rougeau, with more to follow soon.
As I thought about this, I realized just how many extraordinary athletes I've seen over the years or at least read about. I've set the bar high -- this list excludes scores of All-Americans. I'm sure that I've left out many deserving candidates.
I would add Morgan Uceny to the track & field list. She was the #1-ranked women's 1500 meter runner in the world in 2011 (the first American in 26 years). She had the misfortune of being tripped in the finals at both the 2011 world championships and the 2012 London olympics.
Rudy Winkler was ranked #1 in the world in the men's hammer throw in 2020 and #2 in 2021.
Also worth mentioning Jaimee Reynolds, who lead women's lax to the final four. And Jeomi Maduka who brought women's basketball to the tournament and was a track all American.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: bernieQuote from: George64Here's a list I made some time ago, he's up there with Dryden and Marinaro. Like Dryden, he brought home an NCAA championship.
Kyle Dake and other dominant Cornell athletes
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com) [ PM ]
Date: March 28, 2013 04:35PM
Kyle Dake's extraordinary achievements led me to think about other truly dominant Cornell athletes. By dominant I mean athletes who stood head and shoulders above their intercollegiate peers as defined by sport and era (to accommodate changed levels of competition).
The following list is biased towards athletes of the last 50 years because that coincides with my time on the Hill and as an alum. It's also biased towards the sports that I've followed most closely and towards men's teams, because until recently women have played in their shadows. Because Ivy football and basketball lack parity with nationally ranked teams, I've set the bar lower for these two sports.
Men's Hockey: Ken Dryden, Doug Ferguson, Bruce Pattison, Dan Lodboa, Doug Murray, Lance Nethery, Joe Nieuwendyk, Dan Ratushny.
Men's Lacrosse: Mark Webster, Butch Hilliard, Bruce Cohen, Mike French, Eamon McEneany, Bill Marino, Tim Goldstein, Max Siebald, Rob Pannell.
Football: Gary Wood, Pete Gogolak, Ed Marinaro, Chris Zingo, Chad Levitt, Tom McHale, Kevin Boothe.
Wrestling: Dave Auble, Travis Lee, Kyle Dake.
Basketball: Chuck Rolles, Ryan Whittman.
Track and Field: Charlie Moore, Meredith Gourdine.
Women's Hockey: Rebecca Johnston, Laura Fortino, Lauriane Rougeau, with more to follow soon.
As I thought about this, I realized just how many extraordinary athletes I've seen over the years or at least read about. I've set the bar high -- this list excludes scores of All-Americans. I'm sure that I've left out many deserving candidates.
I would add Morgan Uceny to the track & field list. She was the #1-ranked women's 1500 meter runner in the world in 2011 (the first American in 26 years). She had the misfortune of being tripped in the finals at both the 2011 world championships and the 2012 London olympics.
Rudy Winkler was ranked #1 in the world in the men's hammer throw in 2020 and #2 in 2021.
Also worth mentioning Jaimee Reynolds, who lead women's lax to the final four. And Jeomi Maduka who brought women's basketball to the tournament and was a track all American.
It's almost like there should be a Cornell Athletics Hall of Fame to keep track of them all.
Quote from: billhowardMore greats: Without lacrosse attackman Alan Rimmer '71 (a Canadian), there would probably be no first Cornell lacrosse championship. In the 12-6 title game win over Maryland, Rimmer had six of the goals. He was first-team All-America but Army attackman Tom Cafaro won the Enners Award, a forerunner of the Tewaaraton. Cornell beat Army 17-16 at Army in the semifinal.
Jeff Teat, lacrosse, who started off so well, then defenses isolated on him and pushed around his 150-pound frame. He would have done better if the offense had more star power. He came into his own in pro lacrosse.
Izzy Daniel, the 2024 Patty Kazmeier Award.
Bruce Arena '73 was a star in both soccer and lacrosse. Top five in either? Maybe not. I think you deserve credit (glory to Cornell) for his coaching career.
I think anybody who medaled in the Olympics deserves mention, and even making the Olympics deserves consideration.
https://cornellbigred.com/honors/hall-of-fame/jamie-greubel/582
In the Olympic medal category, we can add Jamie Greubel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Greubel). She set Cornell records in the heptathalon and indoor pentathalon. She went on to earn a master's in education and took up bobsledding, winning Olympic bronze in 2014.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: bernieQuote from: George64Here's a list I made some time ago, he's up there with Dryden and Marinaro. Like Dryden, he brought home an NCAA championship.
Kyle Dake and other dominant Cornell athletes
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com) [ PM ]
Date: March 28, 2013 04:35PM
Kyle Dake's extraordinary achievements led me to think about other truly dominant Cornell athletes. By dominant I mean athletes who stood head and shoulders above their intercollegiate peers as defined by sport and era (to accommodate changed levels of competition).
The following list is biased towards athletes of the last 50 years because that coincides with my time on the Hill and as an alum. It's also biased towards the sports that I've followed most closely and towards men's teams, because until recently women have played in their shadows. Because Ivy football and basketball lack parity with nationally ranked teams, I've set the bar lower for these two sports.
Men's Hockey: Ken Dryden, Doug Ferguson, Bruce Pattison, Dan Lodboa, Doug Murray, Lance Nethery, Joe Nieuwendyk, Dan Ratushny.
Men's Lacrosse: Mark Webster, Butch Hilliard, Bruce Cohen, Mike French, Eamon McEneany, Bill Marino, Tim Goldstein, Max Siebald, Rob Pannell.
Football: Gary Wood, Pete Gogolak, Ed Marinaro, Chris Zingo, Chad Levitt, Tom McHale, Kevin Boothe.
Wrestling: Dave Auble, Travis Lee, Kyle Dake.
Basketball: Chuck Rolles, Ryan Whittman.
Track and Field: Charlie Moore, Meredith Gourdine.
Women's Hockey: Rebecca Johnston, Laura Fortino, Lauriane Rougeau, with more to follow soon.
As I thought about this, I realized just how many extraordinary athletes I've seen over the years or at least read about. I've set the bar high -- this list excludes scores of All-Americans. I'm sure that I've left out many deserving candidates.
I would add Morgan Uceny to the track & field list. She was the #1-ranked women's 1500 meter runner in the world in 2011 (the first American in 26 years). She had the misfortune of being tripped in the finals at both the 2011 world championships and the 2012 London olympics.
Rudy Winkler was ranked #1 in the world in the men's hammer throw in 2020 and #2 in 2021.
Also worth mentioning Jaimee Reynolds, who lead women's lax to the final four. And Jeomi Maduka who brought women's basketball to the tournament and was a track all American.
It's almost like there should be a Cornell Athletics Hall of Fame to keep track of them all.
They could invite folks back each homecoming and do an induction. Bring them on the field at halftime with their families?
What are some historic Cornell big game performances that compare to Kirst's 6 goals in the title game this season?
Let us not forget the great lacrosse goalies we have had: Dan Mackesey, Paul Schmoler, Chase Ierlan, Butch Hilliard, John Griffin and the guys from the 1971 team (Bucky Gunts and cannot recall the other one)
Quote from: rss77Let us not forget the great lacrosse goalies we have had: Dan Mackesey, Paul Schmoler, Chase Ierlan, Butch Hilliard, John Griffin and the guys from the 1971 team (Bucky Gunts and cannot recall the other one)
at some point we're just naming guys we like instead of the elites of cornell history but that's ok too.
Quote from: rss77Let us not forget the great lacrosse goalies we have had: Dan Mackesey, Paul Schmoler, Chase Ierlan, Butch Hilliard, John Griffin and the guys from the 1971 team (Bucky Gunts and cannot recall the other one)
I wouldn't have Chayse with this group. In the ~20 years I've been following the team, Matt McMonagle is probably the best I can remember in goal. We then had some really solid goalies, but none of them really felt like top tier goalies (Knight, Fiore, Ierlan)
Quote from: BearLoverWhat are some historic Cornell big game performances that compare to Kirst's 6 goals in the title game this season?
Well, I'd have to use non title games--in my 25+ years of following Cornell sports I've only seen two national title games (both lacrosse, both recently.)
When I saw this post two words came to mind: Louis Dale. Scored 26 points in the second round of the 2010 NCAA basketball tournament to lesd his team over Wisconsin and into the Sweet Sixteen. (Ryan Wittman scored 24 in the same game.) That will likely remain the basketball program's biggest win for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: rss77Let us not forget the great lacrosse goalies we have had: Dan Mackesey, Paul Schmoler, Chase Ierlan, Butch Hilliard, John Griffin and the guys from the 1971 team (Bucky Gunts and cannot recall the other one)
at some point we're just naming guys we like instead of the elites of cornell history but that's ok too.
It would be interesting to see the top 5-10 goal saving percentages, although this stat can be misleading when the D is allowing shots that are tough to block.
If we are just throwing names out there, there's always Jiri Kloboucek. He was a housemate of mine and was always considered the best hockey practice player of all time when I was there.
Quote from: BearLoverWhat are some historic Cornell big game performances that compare to Kirst's 6 goals in the title game this season?
Ed Marinaro's 281 yards rushing against Harvard in 1969 was pretty amazing.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: BearLoverWhat are some historic Cornell big game performances that compare to Kirst's 6 goals in the title game this season?
Ed Marinaro's 281 yards rushing against Harvard in 1969 was pretty amazing.
Not bad for a tough NY cop.
Quote from: BearLoverWhat are some historic Cornell big game performances that compare to Kirst's 6 goals in the title game this season?
Seven goals by twin brothers, Doug (3) and Dave (4) Ferguson against BC, ECAC Quarter Finals, March 8, 1966.
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Quote from: scoop85I think Nicolic stays at midfield, with Firth, Goldstein, and freshman Nurry the most likely attack line.
Rowyn Nurry senior highlights. (https://youtu.be/tPTUQdGRXEw?feature=shared)
Quote from: toddloseIf we are just throwing names out there, there's always Jiri Kloboucek. He was a housemate of mine and was always considered the best hockey practice player of all time when I was there.
We called him "Mr. October" because he was amazing in the exhibitions against Canadian teams.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Ken711Quote from: BearLoverWhat are some historic Cornell big game performances that compare to Kirst's 6 goals in the title game this season?
Ed Marinaro's 281 yards rushing against Harvard in 1969 was pretty amazing.
Not bad for a tough NYPittsburgh cop.
"Coffey, with a y. Not like what youse drink."
This thread is as good a place as any to note that CJ makes his PLL debut with the Philadelphia Waterdogs tonight at 8 pm EDT on ESPN+.
Quote from: dag14This thread is as good a place as any to note that CJ makes his PLL debut with the Philadelphia Waterdogs tonight at 8 pm EDT on ESPN+.
Is he healed up?
Presumably he is good to go because ESPN and the PLL have been hyping his return during every media time out in the first 3games this weekend.
It was announced earlier this week (https://www.wbng.com/2025/07/16/cj-kirst-set-professional-lacrosse-league-debut/) that he was healthy enough to play.
USA lax U20s are training in Ithaca right now according to their Instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DM1j-39uuoh/
I like the tagline: Kirst on Kirst on Kirst crime!
Quote from: mike1960https://www.instagram.com/p/DM1j-39uuoh/
I like the tagline: Kirst on Kirst on Kirst crime!
Kirstception.