LGR!
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2025/maryland-lax-outspends-cornell-national-title-clash-1234853821/
Story talks about Maryland having double our lax budget.
Clear eyes, full hearts.
As I recall, in the 2018 tournament Tillman locked off Teat with his #3 defenseman. Wondering if he'll do something similar today to throw Cornell off its usual game.
Couldn't ask for a more exciting opportunity for this senior class. I'd like to think both Richmond and PSU were good tuneups stylistically for what Maryland will try to do. LGR.
Quote from: semsoxCouldn't ask for a more exciting opportunity for this senior class. I'd like to think both Richmond and PSU were good tuneups stylistically for what Maryland will try to do. LGR.
Yeah! Coming into the tournament, people were characterizing Cornell as having a grade-A offense but facing a grade-A defense in Richmond, with a more plodding style. Then they said the same thing about PSU and how the B1G doesn't let opponents run (as if Cornell only relies on fast breaks but never takes time to pass in the offensive zone!). Now we face Maryland, which is probably a more complete team than RU or PSU. Nonetheless, it relies heavily on its defense to win games. Meanwhile, out of the spotlight, Coach Stevens has made Cornell's defense formidable, holding opponents to 6, 12, and 9 goals during the first 3 tournament games. And in 2022, we faced a Maryland team that many considered to be of historical quality, but left many commentators saying Cornell would have won had the game lasted 2 more minutes. So, if nothing else, our team should be motivated and confident going into today's match.
The depth Cornell has trying to run out there could be a difference in this game. We won without much from our best attack last game, we need at least a B effort from them this one not a C effort.
we need to see 6-8 goals from Gold/Long/CJ I think
Quote from: Al DeFlorioAs I recall, in the 2018 tournament Tillman locked off Teat with his #3 defenseman. Wondering if he'll do something similar today to throw Cornell off its usual game.
I wonder about the idea of a "lock off." You can face guard a player to try to deny a player the ball or bring quick double teams to make him pass the ball. Milliman positioned Teat near the side line to play 5 on 5, allowing the "lock" to happen. (I thought this was a mistake, but then I'm not a professional lacrosse coach.) If Teat really wanted the ball in his stick against a face guard, he could have just done a V cut to get a pass. If a team brought a double against Teat, his legendary passing skills would have made them pay.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioAs I recall, in the 2018 tournament Tillman locked off Teat with his #3 defenseman. Wondering if he'll do something similar today to throw Cornell off its usual game.
I wonder about the idea of a "lock off." You can face guard a player to try to deny a player the ball or bring quick double teams to make him pass the ball. Milliman positioned Teat near the side line to play 5 on 5, allowing the "lock" to happen. (I thought this was a mistake, but then I'm not a professional lacrosse coach.) If Teat really wanted the ball in his stick against a face guard, he could have just done a V cut to get a pass. If a team brought a double against Teat, his legendary passing skills would have made them pay.
Tillman had a week to prepare for Teat, so I think that made it effective. With a 2 day turnaround I would assume he goes with his basic defense, it worked against Syracuse.
Today's the day Sisyphus reaches the mountaintop. Lez go Red!
I'll probably be too nervous to chime in during the game but let's do this. This feels like the team to do it.
Quote from: imafrshmnToday's the day Sisyphus reaches the mountaintop. Lez go Red!
Love it! That's some seriously classic trash talk. Maybe Jack should use it when he walks into the face off circle. Maryland can ponder it while he runs downfield with the ball.
LGR!!!
Quote from: chimpfoodI'll probably be too nervous to chime in during the game but let's do this. This feels like the team to do it.
For some reason, I'm not as nervous as I was before the Penn state game. We have the best team in the country. It's time to leave everything on the field.
Three former Cornell players like Cornell today. This is a fun 30 seconds.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/3610147259291091/?referral_source=search
Quote from: djk26Three former Cornell players like Cornell today. This is a fun 30 seconds.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/3610147259291091/?referral_source=search
How about Jon Donville, who famously beat us after doing his grad year at Maryland as part of the '22 Maryland juggernaut, going with his "real" Alma mater!
I hope Mikey Long gets going today with this hard, accurate shot.
The ref quotes from Gladiator.
LGR!
Nice job CJ dishing out of the double. Good stop by the goalie.
I like CJ driving the ball down the alley.
May need some good bounce shots against this goalie.
Lucky rebound goal for Maryland. Wyatt looks like he's ready today.
1-1
We're moving the ball well.
They're shading Big Hugh so that he has to go left down the alley. Let's set a pick and get him a right hand rocket shot at the MD goalie.
Our defense is playing GREAT.
2-1 Good Guys at the end of one.
RG from the X dodges from the corner and runs right past the D. It feels like he could do that all day.
3-2 Cornell. 10:58 2nd.
Goldstein's move on Cornell's third goal was beautiful. ESPN trying to make its viewers ill with these high camera angles.
Kellehurt?
Quote from: French RageKellehurt?
Rub some dirt on it and get back in there.
Beautiful pass to a cutter.
4-3 Cornell.
But it looks like MD is finding some offense. They are dodging from behind to the 5X5 and looking to shoot.
RG from X to the 5X5.
Two goal lead.
Let's Go Red!
Beat Slightly-Lighter Red!
They are looking to shoot from the wing. We need to keep contact with those shooters.
5-4 Cornell.
CJ from the top shoots a rocket bouncer from the top!
6-4 Good guys.
Good passing from MD leads to an open shot from the top. Wyatt probably felt he should have had that one.
6-5
6-5 Good guys at the half.
Kind of what we expected. A hard fought, close game. Those fights for the ground balls are epic. Will likely be the same in the second half too.
Great game by both teams so far. Glad to see Cornell winning. Let's go, halftime Coach Buczek...
I think we should press more unsettled. Don't let them set up at all, even at the risk of a miscue or two. We could break it open and run away with it instead of letting them hang around.
Quote from: Scersk '97I think we should press more unsettled. Don't let them set up at all, even at the risk of a miscue or two. We could break it open and run away with it instead of letting them hang around.
Every time we bring the ball down we look for cutters. There hasn't been anyone obviously open although I think RG missed CJ once when he was open in the middle.
It's a game of runs but the FOGOs are very close and the defenses are stout. It might be a back and forth until the end.
Kind of early to call a TO, but let's get a set play and a score here.
CJ with a great move to the cage. Puts the pole on his back and scores.
7-5 Cornell.
ref missed the closest to the shot call.
Quote from: upprdeckref missed the closest to the shot call.
Unless it went OB before players started in that direction.
CJ has found something. He's quick enough to get a step on the D and put him on his back.
CJ IS BACK!!!
Quote from: mike1960CJ has found something. He's quick enough to get a step on the D and put him on his back.
Just sniping that shot beautifully.
Let's keep it rolling. One more!
8-5 Cornell.
Call the ward, refs.
CJ!!
9-6 Cornell.
2 goal lead going into the final quarter.
Let's in the 4th!
9-7 good guys.
Quote from: mike1960Call the ward, refs.
I don't know lacrosse all that well, so, serious question, what is a ward?
https://batman60stv.fandom.com/wiki/Robin
Quote from: djk26Quote from: mike1960Call the ward, refs.
I don't know lacrosse all that well, so, serious question, what is a ward?
https://batman60stv.fandom.com/wiki/Robin
Using your non-stick arm to push the defender away.
It looked like CJ was held there. He's a 1/2 quicker than the D.
10-7! MD turnover on the clear and RG drains it!
Can we get this to a 4-5 goal lead? The anxiety is thru the roof.
Erksa is irksome.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: djk26Quote from: mike1960Call the ward, refs.
I don't know lacrosse all that well, so, serious question, what is a ward?
https://batman60stv.fandom.com/wiki/Robin
Using your non-stick arm to push the defender away.
Thank you. Seems like that happens a lot.
We have got to keep contact with our assignments. Easy pass to the cutter.
10-8
Incredible dive shot by CJ, great save by the MD goalie.
Gut check time.
10-8
I just have a bad feeling after that save. The second half is just crawling.
10-9 Maryland dodge and shot against a shorty.
11-9
5 goals for CJ!!
We're playing Hard Hat lacrosse.
What a shot by RG from the left 5X5!!
12-9
Burn all 80 seconds.
No penalties.
12-10 Cornell.
1:08 left. Cornell ball. Last time out taken.
I didn't think that was a ward by Big Hugh. He hit him with his shoulder, not arm.
Quote from: mike196012-10 Cornell.
1:08 left. Cornell ball. Last time out taken.
I didn't think that was a ward by Big Hugh. He hit him with his shoulder, not arm.
Less of a ward than the no call on Maryland.
I say, having learned what a ward is an hour ago.
CJ on the open net goal!!!
13-10 Good guys.
50 seconds left in this lacrosse match.
Finally!!
Oh man, I am so happy.
I'm not crying...you're crying.
CORNELL WINS THE NATTY!!
Thanks team, thanks coaches, thanks E-Lynah friends for a wonderful, epic season.
Just fantastic. Way to go.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: mike196012-10 Cornell.
1:08 left. Cornell ball. Last time out taken.
I didn't think that was a ward by Big Hugh. He hit him with his shoulder, not arm.
Less of a ward than the no call on Maryland.
I say, having learned what a ward is an hour ago.
I agree.
No words!!!!
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I'm not crying...you're crying.
Damn right...I'm crying.
Quote from: ithacatQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I'm not crying...you're crying.
Damn right...I'm crying.
Screw it. So am I. ::cheer::
They announced go to espn+ for award presentation can't find anything. Man I hate them.
Fantastic!
I was in the stands for both the 76 and 77 championships, so great to get another one.
LGR!
Boy, it's weird being the favorite.
But that turned out just fine!
LGR!
Quote from: CU77Fantastic!
I was in the stands for both the 76 and 77 championships, so great to get another one.
LGR!
Photographed both the '76 and '77 games. Hard to believe that it's been this many years. Congrats to the players, coaches, parents, and everyone who has been part of this incredible season. LGR!!
Never thought I'd see another lacrosse championship, now I can stop obsessing over 2009.
Quote from: jjanow99Never thought I'd see another lacrosse championship, now I can stop obsessing over 2009.
My feelings exactly. Poetic justice that we win today at the scene of that crime
Quote from: toddloseThey announced go to espn+ for award presentation can't find anything. Man I hate them.
Same here--I'm hoping it will be saved online for posterity.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: jjanow99Never thought I'd see another lacrosse championship, now I can stop obsessing over 2009.
My feelings exactly. Poetic justice that we win today at the scene of that crime
I almost wrote "
Now 2009 never happened" but held back. Nice to know others feel that way, too
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: jjanow99Never thought I'd see another lacrosse championship, now I can stop obsessing over 2009.
My feelings exactly. Poetic justice that we win today at the scene of that crime
I almost wrote "Now 2009 never happened" but held back. Nice to know others feel that way, too
I was not at all surprised when ESPN did the flashback to 2009 with like two minutes remaining in today's game. I turned away so I didn't have to watch it today. Thank you, Cornell 2025 lacrosse, for replacing that memory.
Had to edit this...I can't believe I misspelled Cornell in the original post!
Trophy Presentation is at 6:00pm on ESPN+
Quote from: CU77LGR!
@CU77 can you change then name of this thread? Maybe not, I don't know how that works.
But if you could...
"CORNELL WINS 2025 LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP"
::banana::::cheer::
Quote from: 75erTrophy Presentation is at 6:00pm on ESPN+
Any idea how to search for it on ESPN+?
https://www.google.com/imgres?q=Now%20I%20can%20die%20in%20peace&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fy.yarn.co%2F49398c03-018d-45f1-9f47-6b5e3ba34dbd_text.gif&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.getyarn.io%2Fyarn-clip%2F49398c03-018d-45f1-9f47-6b5e3ba34dbd%2Fgif&docid=R4_NpBsikwADCM&tbnid=tuMTriLYHXub7M&vet=12ahUKEwi10KPm8sGNAxX2EGIAHbp_GoIQM3oECBoQAA..i&w=400&h=223&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwi10KPm8sGNAxX2EGIAHbp_GoIQM3oECBoQAA
Quote from: djk26Quote from: 75erTrophy Presentation is at 6:00pm on ESPN+
Any idea how to search for it on ESPN+?
Yea. Search for "ncaa men's lacrosse trophy presentation".
It now comes up but tells me it's unavailable. So I guess it'll be available at 6pm?
Quote from: djk26Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: jjanow99Never thought I'd see another lacrosse championship, now I can stop obsessing over 2009.
My feelings exactly. Poetic justice that we win today at the scene of that crime
I almost wrote "Now 2009 never happened" but held back. Nice to know others feel that way, too
I was not at all surprised when ESPN did the flashback to 2009 with like two minutes remaining in today's game. I turned away so I didn't have to watch it today. Thank you, Cornel 2025 lacrosse, for replacing that memory.
I did the exact same thing! Now I can replace those mental images.
Amazing, glad to share this with all of you.
Big shout out to Wyatt Knutson, who was supposed to be the weak link on this team. He had a heck of a weekend.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: djk26Quote from: 75erTrophy Presentation is at 6:00pm on ESPN+
Any idea how to search for it on ESPN+?
Yea. Search for "ncaa men's lacrosse trophy presentation".
It now comes up but tells me it's unavailable. So I guess it'll be available at 6pm?
Awesome thank you
What a game. What a team. They went wire to wire as the dominant team this year - what a strange feeling.
I loved Buzcek's emotions at the end. What a coach. WD > MD. Cornell are the fucking champions. LGR!
Quote from: djk26Quote from: CU77LGR!
@CU77 can you change then name of this thread? Maybe not, I don't know how that works.
But if you could...
"CORNELL WINS 2025 LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP"
::banana::::cheer::
Great idea, done!
Quote from: tretiakWhat a game. What a team. They went wire to wire as the dominant team this year - what a strange feeling.
I loved Buzcek's emotions at the end. What a coach. WD > MD. Cornell are the fucking champions. LGR!
Yesssssss!!!
Casual fan question: I think I can guess MD, but the only WD I know is 40. What's that about?
Quote from: CU77Quote from: djk26Quote from: CU77LGR!
@CU77 can you change then name of this thread? Maybe not, I don't know how that works.
But if you could...
"CORNELL WINS 2025 LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP"
::banana::::cheer::
Great idea, done!
I love it, thank you!
Quote from: RobbCasual fan question: I think I can guess MD, but the only WD I know is 40. What's that about?
The team's motto is WD>WS "well done is better than well said"
Quote from: RobbQuote from: tretiakWhat a game. What a team. They went wire to wire as the dominant team this year - what a strange feeling.
I loved Buzcek's emotions at the end. What a coach. WD > MD. Cornell are the fucking champions. LGR!
Yesssssss!!!
Casual fan question: I think I can guess MD, but the only WD I know is 40. What's that about?
I assume it's a play on WD>WS
Well done is better than well said.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: tretiakWhat a game. What a team. They went wire to wire as the dominant team this year - what a strange feeling.
I loved Buzcek's emotions at the end. What a coach. WD > MD. Cornell are the fucking champions. LGR!
Yesssssss!!!
Casual fan question: I think I can guess MD, but the only WD I know is 40. What's that about?
The WD > WS is the lax team's motto. Well done is better than well said (WD > WS).
WD>WS
Quote from: RobbQuote from: tretiakWhat a game. What a team. They went wire to wire as the dominant team this year - what a strange feeling.
I loved Buzcek's emotions at the end. What a coach. WD > MD. Cornell are the fucking champions. LGR!
Yesssssss!!!
Casual fan question: I think I can guess MD, but the only WD I know is 40. What's that about?
"Well done is better than well said", often shortened to "WD>WS" is Cornell lacrosse's motto. I don't know who originated it for Cornell lacrosse, probably Richie Moran.
I found this article from 2015 where one of Cornell's defensive players was talking about this teammate, Jordan Stevens (who is the current Cornell defensive coach--his group came up HUGE today.)
https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2015-04-22/defensive-prototype
Quote from: Marshall Peters, Cornell lacrosse, 2015"Ever since I came to Cornell, Jordan has been my mentor and from a personal perspective, he's always there for me, both on the field and off the field. He really cares about people and he really exemplifies the 'well done is better than well said' motto that we have in Cornell lacrosse."
I arrived in Ithaca in 1981, just after our glorious 70's run. We made the semis my senior year, but lost to a superior North Carolina team. I was in Rutgers stadium in 1987 when our undefeated team was stonewalled by Quint and lost to an inferior Hopkins team. And most painful of all was watching from the stands in 2009 when we had victory in our grasp and saw it slip away. 2022 was a great story, but that was Maryland's year. While today I thought we were the better team going in, it was hard to discount how tough Maryland is, with their 6th year goalie who beat us in 2022. But led by one of the most amazing coaches in any sport we've seen at Cornell and an all-time great player, this team gave us the National Championship that we've been pining for, some of us for over four decades. As someone recently posted here, he said he would trade success of their professional teams with one Cornell hockey or lacrosse championship. I've always felt that way, and today was absolute magic.
Safe to say I'll be watching the replay of this game many times over the summer.
follower on bsky shared a photo (https://bsky.app/profile/quagsire.bsky.social/post/3lq3whd5uz22d) from his brother at the game showing Maryland as close as they ever got
lgr. we're #1.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: tretiakWhat a game. What a team. They went wire to wire as the dominant team this year - what a strange feeling.
I loved Buzcek's emotions at the end. What a coach. WD > MD. Cornell are the fucking champions. LGR!
Yesssssss!!!
Casual fan question: I think I can guess MD, but the only WD I know is 40. What's that about?
"Well done is greater than well said"
Quote from: djk26Quote from: RobbQuote from: tretiakWhat a game. What a team. They went wire to wire as the dominant team this year - what a strange feeling.
I loved Buzcek's emotions at the end. What a coach. WD > MD. Cornell are the fucking champions. LGR!
Yesssssss!!!
Casual fan question: I think I can guess MD, but the only WD I know is 40. What's that about?
"Well done is better than well said", often shortened to "WD>WS" is Cornell lacrosse's motto. I don't know who originated it for Cornell lacrosse, probably Richie Moran.
I found this article from 2015 where one of Cornell's defensive players was talking about this teammate, Jordan Stevens (who is the current Cornell defensive coach--his group came up HUGE today.)
https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2015-04-22/defensive-prototype
Quote from: Marshall Peters, Cornell lacrosse, 2015"Ever since I came to Cornell, Jordan has been my mentor and from a personal perspective, he's always there for me, both on the field and off the field. He really cares about people and he really exemplifies the 'well done is better than well said' motto that we have in Cornell lacrosse."
Dang - didn't think I was *that* casual of a fan. Can't believe I've missed this for 10+ years. I shall have to redouble my lacrosses fan effort!
holy shit we actually did it
I'm gonna go cry in the corner. And watch the game on demand like 50 times. And cry in the corner.
"CJ Kirst is Hurt" people in fucking SHAMBLES. Jesus Kirst Superstar, how many goals have you scored so far... (Six!!!) Apparently he tied the record for goals in a single season too!
So, I wonder who's going home with the Tewaaraton on Thursday :-P
Quote from: stereaxholy shit we actually did it
I'm gonna go cry in the corner. And watch the game on demand like 50 times. And cry in the corner.
"CJ Kirst is Hurt" people in fucking SHAMBLES. Jesus Kirst Superstar, how many goals have you scored so far... (Six!!!) Apparently he tied the record for goals in a single season too!
i mean ... he definitely looked hurt - his wrist was taped up and his shot was off but once he started going one-on-one and beating his defender off the dodge instead of having to quickly convert passes, he was a monster anyway.
one of a kind superstar. glad i got to watch him.
Quote from: RobbDang - didn't think I was *that* casual of a fan. Can't believe I've missed this for 10+ years. I shall have to redouble my lacrosses fan effort!
might have been a locker room thing with less of a public face because tbh i hadn't noticed it at all until this year.
Quote from: scoop85So, I wonder who's going home with the Tewaaraton on Thursday :-P
when they put up the single-season leaderboard in 3Q when he got within three i said to myself "we're winning. now let's get cj the record." i was ~almost~ disappointed when we turned it over on the possession after the empty-netter to tie.
The trophy presentation is now available on ESPN+
Quote from: scoop85The trophy presentation is now available on ESPN+
Awesome. Thanks for heads up.
If you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Great Achievement Red! I believe back in 76 and 77 the Red had to go 3 rounds instead of 4 and there are more good D 1 teams than there were back then also. Wipes out the sorry taste of 2009. LGR!!
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Thanks. Ordered. lol
Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Also, no offense to Long, but I want my national champion T-shirt to have #15 on it.....or 21.
Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: djk26Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: jjanow99Never thought I'd see another lacrosse championship, now I can stop obsessing over 2009.
My feelings exactly. Poetic justice that we win today at the scene of that crime
I almost wrote "Now 2009 never happened" but held back. Nice to know others feel that way, too
I was not at all surprised when ESPN did the flashback to 2009 with like two minutes remaining in today's game. I turned away so I didn't have to watch it today. Thank you, Cornel 2025 lacrosse, for replacing that memory.
I did the exact same thing! Now I can replace those mental images.
I did worry that we'd see Logan McNaney's cool save on Kirst (when the score was 10-8) over and over again. But Cornell made sure that save was just a footnote, not the start of a huge Maryland comeback. Nice job, Cornell.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Also, no offense to Long, but I want my national champion T-shirt to have #15 on it.....or 21.
It should definitely be 21.
And I do like that they acknowledged the Boiardi's on the broadcast.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Lol. I'm sure it'll be great!
"Sarcasm"
27 minutes (!) of highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62XUXZUQshI&t=405s
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Lol. I'm sure it'll be great!
"Sarcasm"
There are some shirts and a hat up now on the Campus Store's site.
Quote from: WederQuote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Lol. I'm sure it'll be great!
"Sarcasm"
There are some shirts and a hat up now on the Campus Store's site.
Just from prior experience. The ticketing shitshow at Syracuse for final 16. The big red experience at lynah this year. I hope for the best but don't expect much.
Especially bc this is something new like those listed above.
Does Connor Buczek get a raise or bonus for coaching his Cornell team to the National Championship?
Quote from: Ken711Does Connor Buczek get a raise or bonus for coaching his Cornell team to the National Championship?
He will definitely be offered a raise. Hopefully his loyalty prevails. I'm optimistic on it.
Quote from: WederQuote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Lol. I'm sure it'll be great!
"Sarcasm"
There are some shirts and a hat up now on the Campus Store's site.
Those are better. I just ordered one.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederQuote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Lol. I'm sure it'll be great!
"Sarcasm"
There are some shirts and a hat up now on the Campus Store's site.
Those are better. I just ordered one.
.
Link?
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederQuote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Lol. I'm sure it'll be great!
"Sarcasm"
There are some shirts and a hat up now on the Campus Store's site.
Those are better. I just ordered one.
.
Link?
Cornell Store (https://www.cornellstore.com)
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederQuote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Lol. I'm sure it'll be great!
"Sarcasm"
There are some shirts and a hat up now on the Campus Store's site.
Those are better. I just ordered one.
.
Link?
Cornell Store (https://www.cornellstore.com)
Appreciated.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Ken711Does Connor Buczek get a raise or bonus for coaching his Cornell team to the National Championship?
He will definitely be offered a raise. Hopefully his loyalty prevails. I'm optimistic on it.
When I saw his emotional postgame interview, I thought, "No way he's leaving, he loves Cornell lacrosse too much." But that is a question for another day--he and his staff and his players deserve some time to enjoy what they have just accomplished.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederQuote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: WederIf you want some natty merch: https://www.shopncaasports.com/cornell-big-red/ncaa-championship-merchandise/t-23931748+c-34214888+z-943-893174389?_ref=p-CLP:m-SIDE_NAV
Only one item actually says "Cornell". All the others simply have the nondescript "C" logo. Meh.
I'll wait to see what Cornell comes up with.
Lol. I'm sure it'll be great!
"Sarcasm"
There are some shirts and a hat up now on the Campus Store's site.
Those are better. I just ordered one.
.
Link?
Cornell Store (https://www.cornellstore.com)
Appreciated.
Says they should be in store by Friday. Thoughts on just chancing it at the store once I get back to Ithaca, hopefully by the end of the week? Do we think the merch is going to sell out super fast?
(Fwiw, I definitely want the black shirt. Red is nice too and I'll probably get it. Still divided about the hat tho. Looks a little too old-timey, no?)
Yeah not to be picky but is it too much to ask for a shirt that is a) red and b) has "Cornell" on it at least as large as the National Champions lettering? Otherwise it looks like you're rooting for the concept of a national champion.
https://www.shopncaasports.com/mens-champion-red-cornell-big-red-2025-ncaa-mens-lacrosse-national-champions-eco-powerblend-pullover-hoodie/p-245547341858497677+z-91-1213966517
Guess I'm the only one cool with this. Anyone that even remotely cares about college lacrosse I think will realize it's Cornell.
Welcome to eLynah. We just won a national championship - the first time since my parents were born, almost - and before the day is done we're already complaining about the merch for the national champions. XD
Quote from: Ken711Does Connor Buczek get a raise or bonus for coaching his Cornell team to the National Championship?
I'd be shocked if there isn't already a bonus provision in the existing contract that stipulates an incremental payout for season achievements (e.g. ILT championship, NCAA appearance, etc.). I'd guess a raise is built in, too, or a provision to renegotiate whatever the base salary is.
Quote from: stereaxWelcome to eLynah. We just won a national championship - the first time since my parents were born, almost - and before the day is done we're already complaining about the merch for the national champions. XD
You made me laugh out loud. I also realized at some point today that while I have seen the FOUR Cornell national championship games, my two sons -- class of 2004 and 2009-- were not even alive for the first three. Forty-eight years is literally a lifetime....
Unbelievable that in the last post-game presser of the year, you have the opportunity to ask about the origin on the Freebird goal celebration and let it slip away.
I'm so happy. And I'm especially happy for all the fans who have been doing this longer than I, in some cases much longer. I thought this day might never come.
I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
Quote from: stereaxWelcome to eLynah. We just won a national championship - the first time since my parents were born, almost - and before the day is done we're already complaining about the merch for the national champions. XD
stereax you are not allowed to tell everyone here that we are older than your parents. it's unseemly.
That was fantastic. I drove my graduate home today, avoided the score and watched the game tonight. Almost as good as if it were hockey! Added bonus was that at the Government department graduation ceremony the Dean mispronounced Knust. Wyatt wasn't there of course but a reminder of priorities. I feel very happy for the graduation and the lacrosse just makes it better. I'd love them to win it again so for selfish reasons I can completely focus.
Quote from: arugulaThat was fantastic. I drove my graduate home today, avoided the score and watched the game tonight. Almost as good as if it were hockey! Added bonus was that at the Government department graduation ceremony the Dean mispronounced Knust. Wyatt wasn't there of course but a reminder of priorities. I feel very happy for the graduation and the lacrosse just makes it better. I'd love them to win it again so for selfish reasons I can completely focus.
i didn't have a graduate with me in 2009, i had a kid approaching his first birthday, so i had to watch *that* game on tape delay. glad you had a better experience!
Another championship shirt design here:
https://www.event1teamstore.com/division-i-men-s-lacrosse-championship-champion-jersey-short-sleeve-tee-fgdca70190a-fw1001024-fgdca70190a.html#color=196
Looking at the box score from yesterday, I am struck but what an atypical game this was for Cornell. Cornell (narrowly) lost both the groundball battle and faceoff battle for the game. Even more striking that was the low rate of assists. In the previous five games, Cornell scored a total of 80 goals and had 57 assists (71% of the goals were assisted.) In the championship game, they had 13 goals and only 3 assists (23%.) I guess it is the mark of a good team that they can play a different style and still win.
This was not nearly the same caliber Maryland team as 2022, but they were still solidly the number two team in the nation, with a much ballyhooed defense. Yet they frankly did not look very good yesterday. The Terrapin offense was not supposed to be their strength, but they looked totally out of sorts when they had the ball. Much credit to Cornell's defense, and to Wyatt Knust, who had the game of his life on the biggest stage.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaThat was fantastic. I drove my graduate home today, avoided the score and watched the game tonight. Almost as good as if it were hockey! Added bonus was that at the Government department graduation ceremony the Dean mispronounced Knust. Wyatt wasn't there of course but a reminder of priorities. I feel very happy for the graduation and the lacrosse just makes it better. I'd love them to win it again so for selfish reasons I can completely focus.
i didn't have a graduate with me in 2009, i had a kid approaching his first birthday, so i had to watch *that* game on tape delay. glad you had a better experience!
To be clear, I was not at the game. My wife and O were bringing our graduate home and we watched the game together at home later.
Quote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
Right. Just like they were in 2022...but time ran out then.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
Right. Just like they were in 2022...but time ran out then.
In 2022 I believe we led 1-0 after a Kirst goal, but then quickly found ourselves in a hole that we couldn't quite dig out from.
It is impossible to know what Cornell athletics would have achieved if the pandemic had never happened. Maybe men's hockey, women's hockey, or men's lacrosse wins a national title that year or soon after. Perhaps men's lacrosse wins in 2022 if the pandemic doesn't lead to Donville transferring to the team that then beat us in the finals.
At the time, the way things were proceeding, the mass exodus of players from the #1 hockey team in the country, the coach of our #1/#2 lacrosse team leaving for Johns Hopkins, losing Morgan Barron and Jeff Teat to the pros after just two postseasons each, it felt like all of Cornell athletics was crashing down and would have to start again from square one.
But this crazy sequence of events led to Buzcek becoming our next head coach, a number of players on the 2020/2021 teams preserving eligibility and giving Cornell numerous fifth and sixth year players, something that would not otherwise be afforded to an Ivy program. Just a few years after the canceled seasons we had maybe the best coach and certainly the best senior class in the entire country. The result: a national championship. Given it's been almost 50 years since the last one in lacrosse OR hockey (men's or women's), in my view yesterday closed the loop on "what could have been" in 2020. I will not again complain about these lost seasons because the winding road of the past few years led Cornell to its first title since 1977.
Link to an excellent (in my opinion) condensed version of the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39dWUW_r6tA&ab_channel=CuseCreaseHighlights
If you want to watch such for other Cornell games from this season, I recommend checking that channel, Cuse Crease Highlights, first to see if they did a version. There's another YouTube channel, College Lacrosse, that does them and gets a lot more views, but their versions have inferior video quality, an annoying watermark, and I don't think their editing choices are as good (way too many replays of a goal using slo mo, at least in their later efforts). One reason that they probably get more views is that they were exceptionally quick in posting after a game completed where as the Cuse Crease channel could take a day or two.
An interesting, classy postgame press conference by Maryland's Coach Tillman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph-TTQ3CVas&ab_channel=wayneterp
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
Celebration on campus today around 4:45 the email says. One sad thing about LAX is winning after all the kids for most colleges have gone home.
I suspect we will see recognition at a hockey game perhaps this fall.
For those who weren't there, I've put some photos from the tailgate party and the post-game celebration on a photo-sharing website:
https://chris-h-stuff.smugmug.com/School/2025-Cornell-Lacrosse-Championship/n-DSs6xK
At the tailgate, evidently there is a recent (?) tradition of passing out shots of Fireball (I'm guessing it's that since it's Red) and then a booster/alumni (could be both?) makes a toast to the team and the crowd. It was really cool.
Quote from: upprdeckCelebration on campus today around 4:45 the email says. One sad thing about LAX is winning after all the kids for most colleges have gone home.
I suspect we will see recognition at a hockey game perhaps this fall.
I'll be at reunion in a couple of weeks. I hope Connor is around to present a talk about the season.
Quote from: JasonN95Link to an excellent (in my opinion) condensed version of the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39dWUW_r6tA&ab_channel=CuseCreaseHighlights
If you want to watch such for other Cornell games from this season, I recommend checking that channel, Cuse Crease Highlights, first to see if they did a version. There's another YouTube channel, College Lacrosse, that does them and gets a lot more views, but their versions have inferior video quality, an annoying watermark, and I don't think their editing choices are as good (way too many replays of a goal using slo mo, at least in their later efforts). One reason that they probably get more views is that they were exceptionally quick in posting after a game completed where as the Cuse Crease channel could take a day or two.
An interesting, classy postgame press conference by Maryland's Coach Tillman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph-TTQ3CVas&ab_channel=wayneterp
Tillman is all class and an easy guy to root for when they are not playing us!
Quote from: Chris H82For those who weren't there, I've put some photos from the tailgate party and the post-game celebration on a photo-sharing website:
https://chris-h-stuff.smugmug.com/School/2025-Cornell-Lacrosse-Championship/n-DSs6xK
At the tailgate, evidently there is a recent (?) tradition of passing out shots of Fireball (I'm guessing it's that since it's Red) and then a booster/alumni (could be both?) makes a toast to the team and the crowd. It was really cool.
Thanks so much for sharing. I wasn't able to be there yesterday, but your photos and videos helps me almost feel as if I were!
Quote from: JasonN95An interesting, classy postgame press conference by Maryland's Coach Tillman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph-TTQ3CVas&ab_channel=wayneterp
I don't spend much time listening to Tillman and I agree he was classy here. But I think he came off a bit flustered in this press conference, rambling a lot about tangentially related topics in his responses. It's understandable given all the emotions, the strangest of all probably being that his alma mater finally won for the first time in 48 years by beating his own team.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaThat was fantastic. I drove my graduate home today, avoided the score and watched the game tonight. Almost as good as if it were hockey! Added bonus was that at the Government department graduation ceremony the Dean mispronounced Knust. Wyatt wasn't there of course but a reminder of priorities. I feel very happy for the graduation and the lacrosse just makes it better. I'd love them to win it again so for selfish reasons I can completely focus.
i didn't have a graduate with me in 2009, i had a kid approaching his first birthday, so i had to watch *that* game on tape delay. glad you had a better experience!
To be clear, I was not at the game. My wife and O were bringing our graduate home and we watched the game together at home later.
i know! i was saying i was distracted by a different event and it was worse to watch them fall apart all alone, hours after everyone else had the bad news.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
It felt like CJ got a lot more attention earlier in the game. RG received some double teams as well. Teams have two days to prepare, so they probably have to rely heavily on their base defenses to get the job done. I wonder if part of the problem is that the MD defense was just gassed as the game approached the fourth quarter. Once CJ realized he could get a step on the pole and put him on his back, he started having lots of success. Even the dive attempt, though blocked by the great MD goalie, proved that CJ could get there.
One thing that Tillman noted in his interview was the Cornell substitution game. For those of us living far away and unable to see the games in person, we don't get a chance to see how Cornell puts pressure on defenses using the midline and sub box. Clearly, the Cornell coaches put a lot of thought into this phase of the game and use it effectively.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
It felt like CJ got a lot more attention earlier in the game. RG received some double teams as well. Teams have two days to prepare, so they probably have to rely heavily on their base defenses to get the job done. I wonder if part of the problem is that the MD defense was just gassed as the game approached the fourth quarter. Once CJ realized he could get a step on the pole and put him on his back, he started having lots of success. Even the dive attempt, though blocked by the great MD goalie, proved that CJ could get there.
One thing that Tillman noted in his interview was the Cornell substitution game. For those of us living far away and unable to see the games in person, we don't get a chance to see how Cornell puts pressure on defenses using the midline and sub box. Clearly, the Cornell coaches put a lot of thought into this phase of the game and use it effectively.
The one thing that gave me pause in the 4th was the time of possession. I almost convinced myself that Maryland's deliberate style and TOP was forcing our excellent D to work more than they are used to and had US more tired than we thought.
I also thought that EVERY questionable or borderline call went against us (or in favor of MD). Even with that, we overcame. Just an exceptional performance by the entire team in all
aspects. So so proud.
It feels SO OUTRAGEOUSLY GOOD to hold our heads up high and not have to swallow moral victories this year. We are the celebrating and celebrated for once. More later, but damn this feeling is better than my dreams for all those years.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
It felt like CJ got a lot more attention earlier in the game. RG received some double teams as well. Teams have two days to prepare, so they probably have to rely heavily on their base defenses to get the job done. I wonder if part of the problem is that the MD defense was just gassed as the game approached the fourth quarter. Once CJ realized he could get a step on the pole and put him on his back, he started having lots of success. Even the dive attempt, though blocked by the great MD goalie, proved that CJ could get there.
One thing that Tillman noted in his interview was the Cornell substitution game. For those of us living far away and unable to see the games in person, we don't get a chance to see how Cornell puts pressure on defenses using the midline and sub box. Clearly, the Cornell coaches put a lot of thought into this phase of the game and use it effectively.
It was nice to see a full field view from the goal at times during the game, but I didn't get a chance to see substitutions during those shots and I have the feeling I'll never get the hang of the dynamics of the game. RPI season tickets for hockey are a no brainer, but U Albany games for lacrosse are only interesting if Cornell makes a visit.
Quote from: dag14Quote from: stereaxWelcome to eLynah. We just won a national championship - the first time since my parents were born, almost - and before the day is done we're already complaining about the merch for the national champions. XD
You made me laugh out loud. I also realized at some point today that while I have seen the FOUR Cornell national championship games, my two sons -- class of 2004 and 2009-- were not even alive for the first three. Forty-eight years is literally a lifetime....
But the merch is bad! Hahahah. 48 years is a LONG time. Man. I'm so proud of this team.
Quote from: ugartestereax you are not allowed to tell everyone here that we are older than your parents. it's unseemly.
Mea culpa. :`-(
From Kotlikoff:
Cornell University Logo
Dear Cornellians,
Please join us in celebrating Cornell's men's lacrosse team for their electrifying NCAA championship victory May 26 over the University of Maryland. Our Big Red players demonstrated grit, determination, leadership and sportsmanship at every step of this historic season.
This victory marks Cornell's first NCAA team title in any sport since men's lacrosse won the same championship in 1977. Led by Connor Buczek '15, the Richard M. Moran Head Coach of Men's Lacrosse, the team soared in every way, tying a Division I record (18-1), leading the nation in scoring, winning Ivy League titles and producing eight All-American players.
The team's amazing season embodies the best of Cornell, showcasing our values of hard work and perseverance. Their incredible sense of community and teamwork guided them to this victory.
We invite all on the Ithaca campus to join us in honoring the champions with a campus procession at 4:45 p.m. this afternoon, starting at Tanner Terrace in Schoellkopf Hall, along Campus Road, and ending in the Crescent Parking Lot.
Please join me and Cornell Board of Trustees Chair Kraig Kayser, on behalf of the entire Board of Trustees, in congratulating the team members and celebrating their Cornell milestone.
Go Big Red!
Michael I. Kotlikoff
President
Kraig H. Kayser, MBA '84
Chair of the Cornell Board of Trustees
Wish I could make it to the parade. Stuck in NJ though. I'll see if anyone I know is going.
Here's another email:
Victory March Details:
Fans, faculty, and families will be directed to the Crescent Lot to welcome the team.
Supporters are encouraged to line the sidewalk from the Schoellkopf Student Entrance up to the Crescent Lot to cheer on the team as they make their entrance.
At 4:45 PM, the team, coaches, and staff will depart from the base of Tanner Terrace and proceed along the sidewalk up to the Crescent Lot.
We'll have items ready for autographs, and Sharpies on hand so you can get signatures from your favorite champs! We encourage fans to bring items from home to be signed by the team!
Quote from: Chris H82For those who weren't there, I've put some photos from the tailgate party and the post-game celebration on a photo-sharing website:
https://chris-h-stuff.smugmug.com/School/2025-Cornell-Lacrosse-Championship/n-DSs6xK
At the tailgate, evidently there is a recent (?) tradition of passing out shots of Fireball (I'm guessing it's that since it's Red) and then a booster/alumni (could be both?) makes a toast to the team and the crowd. It was really cool.
You caught me in one of your pictures!! I was in the food line at the tailgate, holding my poncho.
Quote from: martyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
It felt like CJ got a lot more attention earlier in the game. RG received some double teams as well. Teams have two days to prepare, so they probably have to rely heavily on their base defenses to get the job done. I wonder if part of the problem is that the MD defense was just gassed as the game approached the fourth quarter. Once CJ realized he could get a step on the pole and put him on his back, he started having lots of success. Even the dive attempt, though blocked by the great MD goalie, proved that CJ could get there.
One thing that Tillman noted in his interview was the Cornell substitution game. For those of us living far away and unable to see the games in person, we don't get a chance to see how Cornell puts pressure on defenses using the midline and sub box. Clearly, the Cornell coaches put a lot of thought into this phase of the game and use it effectively.
It was nice to see a full field view from the goal at times during the game, but I didn't get a chance to see substitutions during those shots and I have the feeling I'll never get the hang of the dynamics of the game. RPI season tickets for hockey are a no brainer, but U Albany games for lacrosse are only interesting if Cornell makes a visit.
Tillman also mentioned the number of SSDMs Cornell used. Injuries to Bozzi, Hard Hat Box, and Chris Davis left us vulnerable at times this season to getting beat up top. But their injuries also gave other guys playing time and experience when we needed it in the championship run. The SSDM position is hard and thankless for the most part. They played their tails off all championship game to prevent hands free shots from opponents. Also, all season, coaches also used the second line offensive midfield a lot so that there was little if any drop off when they came in. So when crunch time came in the fourth quarter, when it mattered the most, we still had rocket fuel left to push us over the line.
The other thing we noted was that Coach Buczek made really good use of his timeout calls a couple of times, when we had barely gotten the ball into the offensive side of the field but our player was at risk of losing the ball.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: martyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
It felt like CJ got a lot more attention earlier in the game. RG received some double teams as well. Teams have two days to prepare, so they probably have to rely heavily on their base defenses to get the job done. I wonder if part of the problem is that the MD defense was just gassed as the game approached the fourth quarter. Once CJ realized he could get a step on the pole and put him on his back, he started having lots of success. Even the dive attempt, though blocked by the great MD goalie, proved that CJ could get there.
One thing that Tillman noted in his interview was the Cornell substitution game. For those of us living far away and unable to see the games in person, we don't get a chance to see how Cornell puts pressure on defenses using the midline and sub box. Clearly, the Cornell coaches put a lot of thought into this phase of the game and use it effectively.
It was nice to see a full field view from the goal at times during the game, but I didn't get a chance to see substitutions during those shots and I have the feeling I'll never get the hang of the dynamics of the game. RPI season tickets for hockey are a no brainer, but U Albany games for lacrosse are only interesting if Cornell makes a visit.
Tillman also mentioned the number of SSDMs Cornell used. Injuries to Bozzi, Hard Hat Box, and Chris Davis left us vulnerable at times this season to getting beat up top. But their injuries also gave other guys playing time and experience when we needed it in the championship run. The SSDM position is hard and thankless for the most part. They played their tails off all championship game to prevent hands free shots from opponents. Also, all season, coaches also used the second line offensive midfield a lot so that there was little if any drop off when they came in. So when crunch time came in the fourth quarter, when it mattered the most, we still had rocket fuel left to push us over the line.
The depth of the D and midfield was definitely a subtle key to our success. Now that the season is over, it is clear we had an incredibly deep team with no weaknesses. We also had the best player in the entire country. That's what it took to win the first national title in 48 years.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
It felt like CJ got a lot more attention earlier in the game. RG received some double teams as well. Teams have two days to prepare, so they probably have to rely heavily on their base defenses to get the job done. I wonder if part of the problem is that the MD defense was just gassed as the game approached the fourth quarter. Once CJ realized he could get a step on the pole and put him on his back, he started having lots of success. Even the dive attempt, though blocked by the great MD goalie, proved that CJ could get there.
One thing that Tillman noted in his interview was the Cornell substitution game. For those of us living far away and unable to see the games in person, we don't get a chance to see how Cornell puts pressure on defenses using the midline and sub box. Clearly, the Cornell coaches put a lot of thought into this phase of the game and use it effectively.
On TV, they mentioned several times how Cornell's second middies were scoring and how they were on at times when you'd figure the first middies would be playing. That also goes to the depth we had in midfield.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaThat was fantastic. I drove my graduate home today, avoided the score and watched the game tonight. Almost as good as if it were hockey! Added bonus was that at the Government department graduation ceremony the Dean mispronounced Knust. Wyatt wasn't there of course but a reminder of priorities. I feel very happy for the graduation and the lacrosse just makes it better. I'd love them to win it again so for selfish reasons I can completely focus.
i didn't have a graduate with me in 2009, i had a kid approaching his first birthday, so i had to watch *that* game on tape delay. glad you had a better experience!
My younger son was class of '09. We watched the semifinal game at his fraternity and came realllly close to jumping in the car after the graduation ceremony and driving to Gillette. OMG would that have been a horrible drive home.
Quote from: Chris H82The other thing we noted was that Coach Buczek made really good use of his timeout calls a couple of times, when we had barely gotten the ball into the offensive side of the field but our player was at risk of losing the ball.
also one of the worst timeout calls ever! ended up having no impact, but calling a timeout a minute into the second half when a player fell down
just as the player was making an incredible pass to his teammate from his back had Buczek immediately apologizing to the team for the quick trigger.
That timeout was nowhere close to "one of the worst ever"!
In the moment, I agreed with it. Cornell looked to be about to lose the ball, and I felt that early momentum just after halftime in a one-goal game was important (and so, apparently, did Buczek). You are correct that the player on the ground (Gilmartin I think) flipped a great desperation pass that was successful, but Buczek had already called the timeout.
Over the years there have been many lax games where a timeout is called by the coach just as his team is scoring, wiping out the goal.
And just the day before, on the very same field, this happened:
https://www.tiktok.com/@lacrossenetwork/video/7508534731760225579
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: martyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
It felt like CJ got a lot more attention earlier in the game. RG received some double teams as well. Teams have two days to prepare, so they probably have to rely heavily on their base defenses to get the job done. I wonder if part of the problem is that the MD defense was just gassed as the game approached the fourth quarter. Once CJ realized he could get a step on the pole and put him on his back, he started having lots of success. Even the dive attempt, though blocked by the great MD goalie, proved that CJ could get there.
One thing that Tillman noted in his interview was the Cornell substitution game. For those of us living far away and unable to see the games in person, we don't get a chance to see how Cornell puts pressure on defenses using the midline and sub box. Clearly, the Cornell coaches put a lot of thought into this phase of the game and use it effectively.
It was nice to see a full field view from the goal at times during the game, but I didn't get a chance to see substitutions during those shots and I have the feeling I'll never get the hang of the dynamics of the game. RPI season tickets for hockey are a no brainer, but U Albany games for lacrosse are only interesting if Cornell makes a visit.
Tillman also mentioned the number of SSDMs Cornell used. Injuries to Bozzi, Hard Hat Box, and Chris Davis left us vulnerable at times this season to getting beat up top. But their injuries also gave other guys playing time and experience when we needed it in the championship run. The SSDM position is hard and thankless for the most part. They played their tails off all championship game to prevent hands free shots from opponents. Also, all season, coaches also used the second line offensive midfield a lot so that there was little if any drop off when they came in. So when crunch time came in the fourth quarter, when it mattered the most, we still had rocket fuel left to push us over the line.
Lamb for one really improved as the season went along, and he had a clean takeaway yesterday at a key point.
Quote from: CU77That timeout was nowhere close to "one of the worst ever"!
In the moment, I agreed with it. Cornell looked to be about to lose the ball, and I felt that early momentum just after halftime in a one-goal game was important (and so, apparently, did Buczek). You are correct that the player on the ground (Gilmartin I think) flipped a great desperation pass that was successful, but Buczek had already called the timeout.
Over the years there have been many lax games where a timeout is called by the coach just as his team is scoring, wiping out the goal.
And just the day before, on the very same field, this happened:
https://www.tiktok.com/@lacrossenetwork/video/7508534731760225579
Agreed. Also, Buczek has been more aggressive about using the timeout since failing to call one in the first Penn State game when Kirst was pinned on the endline while up 1. Every possession counts.
Quote from: LGR14Agreed. Also, Buczek has been more aggressive about using the timeout since failing to call one in the first Penn State game when Kirst was pinned on the endline while up 1. Every possession counts.
That's why that loss to Penn State was the most important (regular season) game of the year. Sure it cost them an undefeated regular season but the lessons learned from that game had a big impact going forward. And if the lesson had to come somwehere, I'm glad it came against Penn State and not, say, Syracuse. ::burnout::
Quote from: djk26Quote from: LGR14Agreed. Also, Buczek has been more aggressive about using the timeout since failing to call one in the first Penn State game when Kirst was pinned on the endline while up 1. Every possession counts.
That's why that loss to Penn State was the most important (regular season) game of the year. Sure it cost them an undefeated regular season but the lessons learned from that game had a big impact going forward. And if the lesson had to come somwehere, I'm glad it came against Penn State and not, say, Syracuse. ::burnout::
+1!
Quote from: CU77That timeout was nowhere close to "one of the worst ever"!
In the moment, I agreed with it. Cornell looked to be about to lose the ball, and I felt that early momentum just after halftime in a one-goal game was important (and so, apparently, did Buczek). You are correct that the player on the ground (Gilmartin I think) flipped a great desperation pass that was successful, but Buczek had already called the timeout.
Over the years there have been many lax games where a timeout is called by the coach just as his team is scoring, wiping out the goal.
And just the day before, on the very same field, this happened:
https://www.tiktok.com/@lacrossenetwork/video/7508534731760225579
ok fine but it was still pretty bad given how well Gilmartin recovered lol
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaThat was fantastic. I drove my graduate home today, avoided the score and watched the game tonight. Almost as good as if it were hockey! Added bonus was that at the Government department graduation ceremony the Dean mispronounced Knust. Wyatt wasn't there of course but a reminder of priorities. I feel very happy for the graduation and the lacrosse just makes it better. I'd love them to win it again so for selfish reasons I can completely focus.
i didn't have a graduate with me in 2009, i had a kid approaching his first birthday, so i had to watch *that* game on tape delay. glad you had a better experience!
To be clear, I was not at the game. My wife and O were bringing our graduate home and we watched the game together at home later.
i know! i was saying i was distracted by a different event and it was worse to watch them fall apart all alone, hours after everyone else had the bad news.
that was the worst. Yesterday, my wife and daughter actually knew because their phones were blowing up during the drive, but they kept a poker face and they wanted to see my reaction
I'm so used to being disappointed that I'm struggling with how to handle this new development of winning it all!
Quote from: dag14Quote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaThat was fantastic. I drove my graduate home today, avoided the score and watched the game tonight. Almost as good as if it were hockey! Added bonus was that at the Government department graduation ceremony the Dean mispronounced Knust. Wyatt wasn't there of course but a reminder of priorities. I feel very happy for the graduation and the lacrosse just makes it better. I'd love them to win it again so for selfish reasons I can completely focus.
i didn't have a graduate with me in 2009, i had a kid approaching his first birthday, so i had to watch *that* game on tape delay. glad you had a better experience!
My younger son was class of '09. We watched the semifinal game at his fraternity and came realllly close to jumping in the car after the graduation ceremony and driving to Gillette. OMG would that have been a horrible drive home.
That was a fleeting thought, but we had so much to do.
From poster Chousnake at fanlax (not sure if he's present here or not), a useful summary of recent history:
QuoteSo let's talk about what Coach Buczek and Coach Stevens have done for this program. Everybody today is talking how close Cornell has come to winning before finally breaking through yesterday. But there is so much more to the story than that.
The Cornell program hit rock bottom in 2017, falling year by year after DeLuca was let go in 2014. Milliman brought to program back quickly in 2018 behind a tremendous offense led by Jeff Teat. After a disappointing 2019 that saw Cornell on the wrong side of the NCAA bubble, the team started 5-0 in 2020 and #2 in the polls behind a dizzying offense that was putting up pinball scores. Then Covid hit and the season ground to a halt.
Nobody knew what the future held - short or long term - for the lax team, the University, or the country as we all remained locked down. Cornell had a hiring and wage freeze and players had to navigate an uncertain future on campus and in the outside world. In late April, Milliman shocked the Cornell community by taking the Hopkins head coach job after Petramala was let go after 20 years. It was a gut punch in uncertain times and left many of Cornell fans feeling helpless and a bit hopeless. After losing Tambroni, DeLuca, and Milliman in the span of a few years, we were shellshocked. The lax world was not friendly towards Cornell and things looked bleak for the future of the program.
A few days or weeks later, Cornell took a gamble and named 26 year old Buczek as head coach and 26 year old Stevens as assistant head coach. Many of us didn't know what to think. Shortly after that, Buczek held a Zoom conference for the Cornell lacrosse community. This "kid" was incredibly impressive, explaining his offense in detail - one that was putting up 19 goals a game in 2020 and was sparkling in 2018 and 2019. He spoke about culture and effort and sounded like a coach who had been doing this for decades. Stevens did the same. Buczek calmed nerves, gave us hope, and made us all feel as if everything was going to be ok.
But there was another major hurdle. The Ivy League canceled sports in 2021 as well. Some key members of the 2020 team graduated, including Teat, who has become the best lacrosse player in the world since then (what might have been in 2020 or 2021!). Remarkably, Buczek held this program together through two seasons of tumult and darkness. He managed to hold on to many of the 2020 and 2021 recruits and still was able to attract talent for 2022 and beyond.
Then, when many were sounding the death knell for Ivy and Cornell lacrosse, he and Stevens led the 2022 team to the brink of a title, beating teams that were playing with 22, 23 and 24 year olds, many of whom left the Ivy League to play with schools in the power conferences. And now, 3 years later, we have the first national championship in 47 seasons. To go from where this program was in 2017 and in 2020-21, to the pinnacle of the sport in 2025 is truly remarkable. Congratulations Coach Buczek and Coach Stevens on a truly momentous accomplishment in the face of long odds and numerous unprecedented hurdles.
https://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=652085#p652085
Quote from: CU77From poster Chousnake at fanlax (not sure if he's present here or not), a useful summary of recent history:
QuoteSo let's talk about what Coach Buczek and Coach Stevens have done for this program. Everybody today is talking how close Cornell has come to winning before finally breaking through yesterday. But there is so much more to the story than that.
The Cornell program hit rock bottom in 2017, falling year by year after DeLuca was let go in 2014. Milliman brought to program back quickly in 2018 behind a tremendous offense led by Jeff Teat. After a disappointing 2019 that saw Cornell on the wrong side of the NCAA bubble, the team started 5-0 in 2020 and #2 in the polls behind a dizzying offense that was putting up pinball scores. Then Covid hit and the season ground to a halt.
Nobody knew what the future held - short or long term - for the lax team, the University, or the country as we all remained locked down. Cornell had a hiring and wage freeze and players had to navigate an uncertain future on campus and in the outside world. In late April, Milliman shocked the Cornell community by taking the Hopkins head coach job after Petramala was let go after 20 years. It was a gut punch in uncertain times and left many of Cornell fans feeling helpless and a bit hopeless. After losing Tambroni, DeLuca, and Milliman in the span of a few years, we were shellshocked. The lax world was not friendly towards Cornell and things looked bleak for the future of the program.
A few days or weeks later, Cornell took a gamble and named 26 year old Buczek as head coach and 26 year old Stevens as assistant head coach. Many of us didn't know what to think. Shortly after that, Buczek held a Zoom conference for the Cornell lacrosse community. This "kid" was incredibly impressive, explaining his offense in detail - one that was putting up 19 goals a game in 2020 and was sparkling in 2018 and 2019. He spoke about culture and effort and sounded like a coach who had been doing this for decades. Stevens did the same. Buczek calmed nerves, gave us hope, and made us all feel as if everything was going to be ok.
But there was another major hurdle. The Ivy League canceled sports in 2021 as well. Some key members of the 2020 team graduated, including Teat, who has become the best lacrosse player in the world since then (what might have been in 2020 or 2021!). Remarkably, Buczek held this program together through two seasons of tumult and darkness. He managed to hold on to many of the 2020 and 2021 recruits and still was able to attract talent for 2022 and beyond.
Then, when many were sounding the death knell for Ivy and Cornell lacrosse, he and Stevens led the 2022 team to the brink of a title, beating teams that were playing with 22, 23 and 24 year olds, many of whom left the Ivy League to play with schools in the power conferences. And now, 3 years later, we have the first national championship in 47 seasons. To go from where this program was in 2017 and in 2020-21, to the pinnacle of the sport in 2025 is truly remarkable. Congratulations Coach Buczek and Coach Stevens on a truly momentous accomplishment in the face of long odds and numerous unprecedented hurdles.
https://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=652085#p652085
No love for Matt Kerwick, I guess.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckCelebration on campus today around 4:45 the email says. One sad thing about LAX is winning after all the kids for most colleges have gone home.
I suspect we will see recognition at a hockey game perhaps this fall.
I'll be at reunion in a couple of weeks. I hope Connor is around to present a talk about the season.
It's his 10 year reunion.
https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1927415340322996283
https://www.wsj.com/sports/cornell-lacrosse-maryland-national-championship-cj-kirst-935c23d7
https://www.tiktok.com/@lacrossenetwork/video/7509133298682105119
Quote from: CU77https://www.tiktok.com/@lacrossenetwork/video/7509133298682105119
It may have taken 48 years but we finally got the Pineapple Suite.
As a fan of Classicism, i enjoyed all the ridiculous allusions to Greek mythology that almost effortlessly wrote themselves into our story as presented on the broadcast. Funny how that works.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I just re-watched the 4th quarter. MD kind of self destructed. Highly unusual for a Tillman team. 2 failed clears. An offsides. An offensive hold. That's four possessions lost when they desperately needed them.
I would give Cornell more credit. All year long they've had an incredible ride and outlasted teams in the second half. Maryland had trouble with Cornell's pressure and they were probably exhausted at this point.
I hope that pointing out MD's uncharacteristic errors is not giving our team less credit. I agree that pressure from Cornell was part of the reason for MD's turnovers. And also Cornell was not overwhelmed by the pressure on the biggest stage, the mark of a great championship team. In fact, unlike the PSU game, the team moved the ball quickly and cleanly from the opening whistle. They were ready and they were fearless. I also like what djk26 wrote about unassisted goals. This year, this team won playing beautiful lacrosse, they sometimes won ugly, and on championship day they won out of character. They found a weakness in MD's on ball defense and took advantage. Great teams find a way to win.
No expert, but it seemed to me that Tillman limited slides to force our guys to beat their covers one-on-one rather than find the guy left open by a slide. And CJ and Ryan did. Ergo, few assists.
I believe Tillman had #39, Laake, a freshman, marking Goldstein. And even after RG30 beat the freshman the first time and scored, they still had nobody slide to help out the second time.
Maryland's strategy made sense. Take away the pass, make guys beat you one on one. Particularly if Kirst was hurt. Tillman probably thought he had the players to do it, and if CJ was significantly limited, as it appeared he was after the Penn State game, Maryland easily could have won.
Here are a couple of articles from the WSJ forwarded to me by a friend. The first is about Monday's lax Championship game. Be sure to follow the links, especially if you're new to Cornell lacrosse and think the French Connection refers to the Gene Hackman movie. WSJ1 (https://www.wsj.com/sports/cornell-lacrosse-maryland-national-championship-cj-kirst-935c23d7?st=63jVKb&reflink=article_email_share)
The second is about S.L. Price's book "The American Game," that discusses the game's indigenous origins. I haven't read it, but I just reserved it at the library. WSJ2 (https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/books/the-american-game-review-the-roots-of-lacrosse-22375861?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
Quote from: imafrshmnAs a fan of Classicism, i enjoyed all the ridiculous allusions to Greek mythology that almost effortlessly wrote themselves into our story as presented on the broadcast. Funny how that works.
Really? I thought the whole about Odysseus finding his way home to Ithaca was a little silly. (I thought the allusion to it on the broadcast was silly, not "The Odyssey" itself.)
Quote from: djk26Quote from: imafrshmnAs a fan of Classicism, i enjoyed all the ridiculous allusions to Greek mythology that almost effortlessly wrote themselves into our story as presented on the broadcast. Funny how that works.
Really? I thought the whole about Odysseus finding his way home to Ithaca was a little silly. (I thought the allusion to it on the broadcast was silly, not "The Odyssey" itself.)
I usually cringe at stuff like this but I enjoyed it this time. It was an epic win.
Quote from: stereaxFrom Kotlikoff:
Cornell University Logo
Dear Cornellians,
Please join us in celebrating Cornell's men's lacrosse team for their electrifying NCAA championship victory May 26 over the University of Maryland. Our Big Red players demonstrated grit, determination, leadership and sportsmanship at every step of this historic season.
This victory marks Cornell's first NCAA team title in any sport since men's lacrosse won the same championship in 1977. Led by Connor Buczek '15, the Richard M. Moran Head Coach of Men's Lacrosse, the team soared in every way, tying a Division I record (18-1), leading the nation in scoring, winning Ivy League titles and producing eight All-American players.
The team's amazing season embodies the best of Cornell, showcasing our values of hard work and perseverance. Their incredible sense of community and teamwork guided them to this victory.
We invite all on the Ithaca campus to join us in honoring the champions with a campus procession at 4:45 p.m. this afternoon, starting at Tanner Terrace in Schoellkopf Hall, along Campus Road, and ending in the Crescent Parking Lot.
Please join me and Cornell Board of Trustees Chair Kraig Kayser, on behalf of the entire Board of Trustees, in congratulating the team members and celebrating their Cornell milestone.
Go Big Red!
Michael I. Kotlikoff
President
Kraig H. Kayser, MBA '84
Chair of the Cornell Board of Trustees
It would be a nice gesture, if Cornell were to hold a small commencement ceremony for the seniors who helped Cornell win this championship. Several protracted their eligibility when they could have moved on, degree in hand, and made some money. Kudos to them and the rest of the team for their accomplishments.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: imafrshmnAs a fan of Classicism, i enjoyed all the ridiculous allusions to Greek mythology that almost effortlessly wrote themselves into our story as presented on the broadcast. Funny how that works.
Really? I thought the whole about Odysseus finding his way home to Ithaca was a little silly. (I thought the allusion to it on the broadcast was silly, not "The Odyssey" itself.)
That's one of those things that sportscasters think is "clever" but all in all just strikes me as forced.
Quote from: George64Quote from: stereaxFrom Kotlikoff:
Cornell University Logo
Dear Cornellians,
Please join us in celebrating Cornell's men's lacrosse team for their electrifying NCAA championship victory May 26 over the University of Maryland. Our Big Red players demonstrated grit, determination, leadership and sportsmanship at every step of this historic season.
This victory marks Cornell's first NCAA team title in any sport since men's lacrosse won the same championship in 1977. Led by Connor Buczek '15, the Richard M. Moran Head Coach of Men's Lacrosse, the team soared in every way, tying a Division I record (18-1), leading the nation in scoring, winning Ivy League titles and producing eight All-American players.
The team's amazing season embodies the best of Cornell, showcasing our values of hard work and perseverance. Their incredible sense of community and teamwork guided them to this victory.
We invite all on the Ithaca campus to join us in honoring the champions with a campus procession at 4:45 p.m. this afternoon, starting at Tanner Terrace in Schoellkopf Hall, along Campus Road, and ending in the Crescent Parking Lot.
Please join me and Cornell Board of Trustees Chair Kraig Kayser, on behalf of the entire Board of Trustees, in congratulating the team members and celebrating their Cornell milestone.
Go Big Red!
Michael I. Kotlikoff
President
Kraig H. Kayser, MBA '84
Chair of the Cornell Board of Trustees
It would be a nice gesture, if Cornell were to hold a small commencement ceremony for the seniors who helped Cornell win this championship. Several protracted their eligibility when they could have moved on, degree in hand, and made some money. Kudos to them and the rest of the team for their accomplishments.
It looks like they might have had one at Schoellkopf: https://www.instagram.com/p/DKMr9IMt0XW/?img_index=1
Quote from: George64Quote from: stereaxFrom Kotlikoff:
Cornell University Logo
Dear Cornellians,
Please join us in celebrating Cornell's men's lacrosse team for their electrifying NCAA championship victory May 26 over the University of Maryland. Our Big Red players demonstrated grit, determination, leadership and sportsmanship at every step of this historic season.
This victory marks Cornell's first NCAA team title in any sport since men's lacrosse won the same championship in 1977. Led by Connor Buczek '15, the Richard M. Moran Head Coach of Men's Lacrosse, the team soared in every way, tying a Division I record (18-1), leading the nation in scoring, winning Ivy League titles and producing eight All-American players.
The team's amazing season embodies the best of Cornell, showcasing our values of hard work and perseverance. Their incredible sense of community and teamwork guided them to this victory.
We invite all on the Ithaca campus to join us in honoring the champions with a campus procession at 4:45 p.m. this afternoon, starting at Tanner Terrace in Schoellkopf Hall, along Campus Road, and ending in the Crescent Parking Lot.
Please join me and Cornell Board of Trustees Chair Kraig Kayser, on behalf of the entire Board of Trustees, in congratulating the team members and celebrating their Cornell milestone.
Go Big Red!
Michael I. Kotlikoff
President
Kraig H. Kayser, MBA '84
Chair of the Cornell Board of Trustees
It would be a nice gesture, if Cornell were to hold a small commencement ceremony for the seniors who helped Cornell win this championship. Several protracted their eligibility when they could have moved on, degree in hand, and made some money. Kudos to them and the rest of the team for their accomplishments.
They did!!
Not sure where to post this, so here goes:
Connor has announced that Jordan Stevens is leaving the lacrosse world. I'm happy for Jordan & sad for us.
From Connor: Supporters of Cornell Lacrosse,
On the heels of a historic weekend, I'm writing with news of a staffing change. Jordan Stevens has decided to step away from the coaching profession to pursue other career opportunities. Jordan has been a foundational piece for our staff since he joined the Big Red coaching staff in the summer of 2016. He has poured his heart and soul into our program, working diligently to coordinate a great defense, but more importantly, to mold men of character that are prepared to achieve great things in their time after Cornell. He is passionate and caring, and every person in our locker room has felt his love for our student-athletes and his pride in Cornell Lacrosse.
Jordan will be missed by every person in our program, but selfishly, I will miss his presence immensely. He has been by my side for the vast majority of the past 15 years. We have worked in tandem to uphold the standards of Cornell Lacrosse and ensure that our program is one that our players, alums and supporters can be proud of. I can say emphatically that we would not have attained the level of success and stability that we achieved following our transition into our new roles had he not been by my side. As disappointed as I am to lose a friend and colleague on the sidelines, I am happy for him and his family that he has chosen to make a career pivot that better suits their aspirations. We will immediately begin a search for his replacement with hopes of replicating many of the same qualities that made Jordan such a great coach, mentor, recruiter and leader of our young men. Jordan will forever be an important member of the Long Red Line.
Best,
Connor
Jordan wanted to share a few thoughts with the Cornell Lacrosse Family. Please see below:
Cornell Lacrosse Family,
Since I was eighteen years old, Cornell Lacrosse has been the core of my life. The relationships, experiences and adversities have shaped me into the man I am today. I can say with confidence that I've poured my heart and soul into the program we all love, but somehow, I've still received more in return.
I'm writing today to share a personal update. After plenty of thought, I have decided to step down as the Mario St. George Boiardi '04 Associate Head Coach of Men's Lacrosse. As difficult as this decision is, in my heart I know it is the right one. I'm stepping away not because my love for this program has lessened – far from it – but because it is time to fully invest in my family and the lifestyle we envision. Putting my heart into this program has been an honor and privilege, and now, it is time for me to pour that time, love and passion into the ones that have supported me unconditionally every step of the way.
As competitors, we set out to win championships without compromising our standards, sticking true to the values that bind the generations of this program together. The joy we all experienced on Memorial Day was preceded by decades of sacrifice, love, hard work and resilience, and I could not be prouder to have been a part of it and so many other special moments along the way. The personal memories are endless – the team attending my wedding at Sage Chapel, my son learning to walk in the locker room and on Schoellkopf Field, going to battle with teammates and players I love. As I reflect, I cannot help but feel an overwhelming sense of gratitude to have been surrounded by such loyal, driven and humble people during the most influential years of my life.
At this point, it's well known how unique the Cornell Lacrosse Program is. More than most, I've had a front row view of that, and the culture that is Cornell Lacrosse will forever be deep within the fabric of who I am and how I live. What makes this program so special isn't just the wins and losses, it's you. The alumni who paved the way, the families who support through thick and thin, the fans who never stop believing, and the players – past, present, and future, who give their all for Cornell today and every day. As both a player and coach, you all have supported my personal and professional growth time and time again.
Finally, I am grateful to move on to our family's next chapter at a time when the program has never been stronger. On and off the field, I believe Cornell Lacrosse is headed towards even brighter days ahead, in large part due to the incredible staff. Lead by Connor, they are incredible coaches, but more importantly people I love, trust and will miss dearly. Despite closing this chapter, I will never be distant from Cornell. I look forward to supporting the Big Red from wherever my next adventure takes me and continuing the relationships that mean so much to me. I truly believe the program will continue to build off the success and momentum earned this year, but what I'm most proud of, is that I know the values, standards and toughness will never change.
With love,
Jordan Stevens
Here are two local news stories on the Cornell lacrosse players' graduation. In the first one, while Connor Buczek is speaking to the media, you can hear "Free Bird" in the background. Either the NCAA is now regulating graduation ceremonies, or the team likes that song more than we thought. ::burnout::
https://www.wbng.com/video/2025/05/28/cornell-mens-lacrosse-celebrates-national-championship-graduation-back-campus/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kj1L9EJjI
Quote from: jjanow99Not sure where to post this, so here goes:
Connor has announced that Jordan Stevens is leaving the lacrosse world. I'm happy for Jordan & sad for us.
From Connor: Supporters of Cornell Lacrosse,
On the heels of a historic weekend, I'm writing with news of a staffing change. Jordan Stevens has decided to step away from the coaching profession to pursue other career opportunities. Jordan has been a foundational piece for our staff since he joined the Big Red coaching staff in the summer of 2016. He has poured his heart and soul into our program, working diligently to coordinate a great defense, but more importantly, to mold men of character that are prepared to achieve great things in their time after Cornell. He is passionate and caring, and every person in our locker room has felt his love for our student-athletes and his pride in Cornell Lacrosse.
Jordan will be missed by every person in our program, but selfishly, I will miss his presence immensely. He has been by my side for the vast majority of the past 15 years. We have worked in tandem to uphold the standards of Cornell Lacrosse and ensure that our program is one that our players, alums and supporters can be proud of. I can say emphatically that we would not have attained the level of success and stability that we achieved following our transition into our new roles had he not been by my side. As disappointed as I am to lose a friend and colleague on the sidelines, I am happy for him and his family that he has chosen to make a career pivot that better suits their aspirations. We will immediately begin a search for his replacement with hopes of replicating many of the same qualities that made Jordan such a great coach, mentor, recruiter and leader of our young men. Jordan will forever be an important member of the Long Red Line.
Best,
Connor
Jordan wanted to share a few thoughts with the Cornell Lacrosse Family. Please see below:
Cornell Lacrosse Family,
Since I was eighteen years old, Cornell Lacrosse has been the core of my life. The relationships, experiences and adversities have shaped me into the man I am today. I can say with confidence that I've poured my heart and soul into the program we all love, but somehow, I've still received more in return.
I'm writing today to share a personal update. After plenty of thought, I have decided to step down as the Mario St. George Boiardi '04 Associate Head Coach of Men's Lacrosse. As difficult as this decision is, in my heart I know it is the right one. I'm stepping away not because my love for this program has lessened – far from it – but because it is time to fully invest in my family and the lifestyle we envision. Putting my heart into this program has been an honor and privilege, and now, it is time for me to pour that time, love and passion into the ones that have supported me unconditionally every step of the way.
As competitors, we set out to win championships without compromising our standards, sticking true to the values that bind the generations of this program together. The joy we all experienced on Memorial Day was preceded by decades of sacrifice, love, hard work and resilience, and I could not be prouder to have been a part of it and so many other special moments along the way. The personal memories are endless – the team attending my wedding at Sage Chapel, my son learning to walk in the locker room and on Schoellkopf Field, going to battle with teammates and players I love. As I reflect, I cannot help but feel an overwhelming sense of gratitude to have been surrounded by such loyal, driven and humble people during the most influential years of my life.
At this point, it's well known how unique the Cornell Lacrosse Program is. More than most, I've had a front row view of that, and the culture that is Cornell Lacrosse will forever be deep within the fabric of who I am and how I live. What makes this program so special isn't just the wins and losses, it's you. The alumni who paved the way, the families who support through thick and thin, the fans who never stop believing, and the players – past, present, and future, who give their all for Cornell today and every day. As both a player and coach, you all have supported my personal and professional growth time and time again.
Finally, I am grateful to move on to our family's next chapter at a time when the program has never been stronger. On and off the field, I believe Cornell Lacrosse is headed towards even brighter days ahead, in large part due to the incredible staff. Lead by Connor, they are incredible coaches, but more importantly people I love, trust and will miss dearly. Despite closing this chapter, I will never be distant from Cornell. I look forward to supporting the Big Red from wherever my next adventure takes me and continuing the relationships that mean so much to me. I truly believe the program will continue to build off the success and momentum earned this year, but what I'm most proud of, is that I know the values, standards and toughness will never change.
With love,
Jordan Stevens
We're going to miss him. He turned that defense into a championship caliber unit over the course of the year. There's not a ton of money in coaching college lacrosse, especially for assistant coaches. I hope he has great success in his next endeavor.
Quote from: Larry72They did!!
Nice to see President Kotlikoff, Provost Bala and all the deans there, too! Also, Jimmy Rayhill, who obviously went to the game to watch his brother play.
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Sad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?
Quote from: BearLoverSad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?
The Education Department tracks this (https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/details), but the averages probably aren't particularly useful in trying to figure out what the pay for a specific position is (especially the ones that are endowed). It appears that not all of the coaching positions are full-time as well. (EDIT: The data is for 2022-23.)
But the averages:
Men's team head coach: $157,746
Men's team asst. coach: $67,478
Women's team head coach: $111,277
Women's team asst. coach: $56,668
Agree with George64. Little doubt that the Cornell senior leadership cares about athletics. LGR!
Quote from: WederQuote from: BearLoverSad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?
The Education Department tracks this (https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/details), but the averages probably aren't particularly useful in trying to figure out what the pay for a specific position is (especially the ones that are endowed). It appears that not all of the coaching positions are full-time as well. (EDIT: The data is for 2022-23.)
But the averages:
Men's team head coach: $157,746
Men's team asst. coach: $67,478
Women's team head coach: $111,277
Women's team asst. coach: $56,668
Is this Division 1? Probably safe to assume the head assistant, as Stevens was, makes more than the average? It was probably time to ride off into the sunset and fulfill his destiny as a finance bro. No shame in that. Cornell legend.
Jordan Stevens was the Mario St George Boiardi Associate Head Coach, so that position is endowed.
Quote from: Larry72Quote from: George64Quote from: stereaxFrom Kotlikoff:
Cornell University Logo
Dear Cornellians,
Please join us in celebrating Cornell's men's lacrosse team for their electrifying NCAA championship victory May 26 over the University of Maryland. Our Big Red players demonstrated grit, determination, leadership and sportsmanship at every step of this historic season.
This victory marks Cornell's first NCAA team title in any sport since men's lacrosse won the same championship in 1977. Led by Connor Buczek '15, the Richard M. Moran Head Coach of Men's Lacrosse, the team soared in every way, tying a Division I record (18-1), leading the nation in scoring, winning Ivy League titles and producing eight All-American players.
The team's amazing season embodies the best of Cornell, showcasing our values of hard work and perseverance. Their incredible sense of community and teamwork guided them to this victory.
We invite all on the Ithaca campus to join us in honoring the champions with a campus procession at 4:45 p.m. this afternoon, starting at Tanner Terrace in Schoellkopf Hall, along Campus Road, and ending in the Crescent Parking Lot.
Please join me and Cornell Board of Trustees Chair Kraig Kayser, on behalf of the entire Board of Trustees, in congratulating the team members and celebrating their Cornell milestone.
Go Big Red!
Michael I. Kotlikoff
President
Kraig H. Kayser, MBA '84
Chair of the Cornell Board of Trustees
It would be a nice gesture, if Cornell were to hold a small commencement ceremony for the seniors who helped Cornell win this championship. Several protracted their eligibility when they could have moved on, degree in hand, and made some money. Kudos to them and the rest of the team for their accomplishments.
They did!!
They have been doing this since at least 2009; maybe 2007. My memory of details is foggy....
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: WederQuote from: BearLoverSad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?
The Education Department tracks this (https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/details), but the averages probably aren't particularly useful in trying to figure out what the pay for a specific position is (especially the ones that are endowed). It appears that not all of the coaching positions are full-time as well. (EDIT: The data is for 2022-23.)
But the averages:
Men's team head coach: $157,746
Men's team asst. coach: $67,478
Women's team head coach: $111,277
Women's team asst. coach: $56,668
Is this Division 1? Probably safe to assume the head assistant, as Stevens was, makes more than the average? It was probably time to ride off into the sunset and fulfill his destiny as a finance bro. No shame in that. Cornell legend.
Sorry, those are the average salaries at Cornell.
Quote from: WederQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: WederQuote from: BearLoverSad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?
The Education Department tracks this (https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/details), but the averages probably aren't particularly useful in trying to figure out what the pay for a specific position is (especially the ones that are endowed). It appears that not all of the coaching positions are full-time as well. (EDIT: The data is for 2022-23.)
But the averages:
Men's team head coach: $157,746
Men's team asst. coach: $67,478
Women's team head coach: $111,277
Women's team asst. coach: $56,668
Is this Division 1? Probably safe to assume the head assistant, as Stevens was, makes more than the average? It was probably time to ride off into the sunset and fulfill his destiny as a finance bro. No shame in that. Cornell legend.
Sorry, those are the average salaries at Cornell.
If I had to guess, at least a few hundreds of thousands given the profile of the sport at the school but likely not as high as at places like Syracuse, UVA, or Notre Dame. And of course not nearly as high as basketball or other typically high-profile college sports.
Cornell Sports posted video of the full ceremony:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmvLUALDg0E
This 2023 article on coaches' salaries at Maryland gives an idea:
https://dbknews.com/2023/11/17/maryland-athletics-coaching-salaries/
Tillman had a base salary of $380K and supplemental income of $110K.
Another comparison: Michigan head coach Kevin Conry had a base salary of $240K in 2024, assistant coach Scott Bieda (on staff since 2022) had a base salary of $99K.
https://www.umsalary.info/titlesearch.php?Title=MENS+LACROSSE+COACH&Year=0
Cornell salaries will almost certainly not be higher than Michigan's.
For those with short memories, Michigan upset #8 seed Cornell in the first round of the 2023 NCAA tournament.
I wonder when I'll take off my lucky Cornell hoodie. I'm still flying about the fact that we're the National Champions in lacrosse.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Larry72They did!!
Nice to see President Kotlikoff, Provost Bala and all the deans there, too! Also, Jimmy Rayhill, who obviously went to the game to watch his brother play.
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Wait, that is Jimmy???
Also... the flip flops... sobbing.
Here's the link to this very special commencement! Go Big Red! (https://youtu.be/AmvLUALDg0E?si=EUSI7P2Gfj58Xo2J)
Quote from: mike1960I wonder when I'll take off my lucky Cornell hoodie. I'm still flying about the fact that we're the National Champions in lacrosse.
I'm still flying high as well. I've rewatched the full game twice and have watched no fewer than five different condensed versions of the game on YouTube.
Don't think this excellent piece from the Daily Orange has been shared here yet: https://dailyorange.com/2025/05/mens-lacrosse-final-four-cornell-2025-title-parallels-1977-championship/?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKlW_xleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHtz-8NUrquCBphouyY5An1dfldSI6x4u24X2o8ag8PnD-VPulAdj7DnVSHQX_aem_3N9N3Oe-LJf0tc4jc5P4rA
Quote from: Chris '03Don't think this excellent piece from the Daily Orange has been shared here yet: https://dailyorange.com/2025/05/mens-lacrosse-final-four-cornell-2025-title-parallels-1977-championship/?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKlW_xleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHtz-8NUrquCBphouyY5An1dfldSI6x4u24X2o8ag8PnD-VPulAdj7DnVSHQX_aem_3N9N3Oe-LJf0tc4jc5P4rA
It's an excellent article, except for one major factual error: "Richie Moran established Cornell's program in the modern era of college lacrosse."
I don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.
In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.
In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game! But Ned took over hockey, and Cornell became a perennial powerhouse, winning NC's in 1967 & 1970.
At the time, Cornell's lacrosse team had a record similar to that of the pre-Ned hockey team. In 1965, the lacrosse coach, Bob Cullin, asked Ned to help out with the team. The next day, two assistant coaches for the lacrosse team died in a plane crash while on a recruiting trip. So, Ned's participation with the team suddenly grew. He described meeting the team for the first time and saying, "I don't know you, and you don't know me, but you're going to run more today than you ever have in your lifetime." If the hard-hat culture of Cornell Lacrosse has a birth date, that was it!
Two years later, Cullen stepped down, and the administration asked Ned to take over as Head Coach of both hockey and lacrosse. Under Cullen, the team's record was 16-24, but under Harkness, between 1966 and 1968, the lacrosse team's record was 35-1, including 2 undefeated seasons.
Despite the unblemished seasons, Cornell did not win the NC because back then it was done by vote, and with the major lacrosse schools located in the Baltimore area, a Baltimore team always seemed to get the most votes. Nonetheless, Cornell under Harkness had become an embarrassment for the NC$$, and it implemented a tournament in which, starting in 1971, playing for the title would replace voting. Meanwhile, Ned stepped down from being the lacrosse coach, and Richie Moran took over in 1969.
By coincidence, around this time, lacrosse sticks underwent a radical technological change, with the older, wooden sticks and leather netting being replaced by plastic baskets, nylon netting, and metal shafts. Because these new sticks were much easier to use, participation in the sport exploded.
I think it's fair to speculate that without Ned Harkness, there would have been no NCAA Lacrosse Championship in 1971, and likely not for several years after that. None of this detracts from what Richie accomplished, but as one familiar with this history, it's Ned Harkness who established the Cornell Lacrosse we celebrate today.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Chris '03Don't think this excellent piece from the Daily Orange has been shared here yet: https://dailyorange.com/2025/05/mens-lacrosse-final-four-cornell-2025-title-parallels-1977-championship/?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKlW_xleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHtz-8NUrquCBphouyY5An1dfldSI6x4u24X2o8ag8PnD-VPulAdj7DnVSHQX_aem_3N9N3Oe-LJf0tc4jc5P4rA
It's an excellent article, except for one major factual error: "Richie Moran established Cornell's program in the modern era of college lacrosse."
I don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.
In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.
In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game! But Ned took over hockey, and Cornell became a perennial powerhouse, winning NC's in 1967 & 1970.
At the time, Cornell's lacrosse team had a record similar to that of the pre-Ned hockey team. In 1965, the lacrosse coach, Bob Cullin, asked Ned to help out with the team. The next day, two assistant coaches for the lacrosse team died in a plane crash while on a recruiting trip. So, Ned's participation with the team suddenly grew. He described meeting the team for the first time and saying, "I don't know you, and you don't know me, but you're going to run more today than you ever have in your lifetime." If the hard-hat culture of Cornell Lacrosse has a birth date, that was it!
Two years later, Cullen stepped down, and the administration asked Ned to take over as Head Coach of both hockey and lacrosse. Under Cullen, the team's record was 16-24, but under Harkness, between 1966 and 1968, the lacrosse team's record was 35-1, including 2 undefeated seasons.
Despite the unblemished seasons, Cornell did not win the NC because back then it was done by vote, and with the major lacrosse schools located in the Baltimore area, a Baltimore team always seemed to get the most votes. Nonetheless, Cornell under Harkness had become an embarrassment for the NC$$, and it implemented a tournament in which, starting in 1971, playing for the title would replace voting. Meanwhile, Ned stepped down from being the lacrosse coach, and Richie Moran took over in 1969.
By coincidence, around this time, lacrosse sticks underwent a radical technological change, with the older, wooden sticks and leather netting being replaced by plastic baskets, nylon netting, and metal shafts. Because these new sticks were much easier to use, participation in the sport exploded.
I think it's fair to speculate that without Ned Harkness, there would have been no NCAA Lacrosse Championship in 1971, and likely not for several years after that. None of this detracts from what Richie accomplished, but as one familiar with this history, it's Ned Harkness who established the Cornell Lacrosse we celebrate today.
For those who haven't read Christian Swezey's book, "We Showed Baltimore", it's a must-read for any Cornell lacrosse fan: https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9781501762826/we-showed-baltimore/. Of course Swezey now needs to do a 2nd edition adding the newest chapter of Cornell lacrosse glory ::rock::
Quote from: SwampyI don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.
In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.
In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game!
Uh-uh. Cornell beat a great Harvard team 2-1 winter of 1961-1962 in Lynah under Paul Patten. Start of the Lynah Faithful. Probably other Ivy wins, too.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyI don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.
In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.
In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game!
Uh-uh. Cornell beat a great Harvard team 2-1 winter of 1961-1962 in Lynah under Paul Patten. Start of the Lynah Faithful. Probably other Ivy wins, too.
That doesn't really contradict the words "Until 1961".
On the other hand, Cornell defeated Penn a few times in 1959 and 1960, which does contradict those words - maybe "had never won a game against an Ivy League opponent that still has a hockey team today"? ::dribble::
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyI don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.
In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.
In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game!
Uh-uh. Cornell beat a great Harvard team 2-1 winter of 1961-1962 in Lynah under Paul Patten. Start of the Lynah Faithful. Probably other Ivy wins, too.
That doesn't really contradict the words "Until 1961".
On the other hand, Cornell defeated Penn a few times in 1959 and 1960, which does contradict those words - maybe "had never won a game against an Ivy League opponent that still has a hockey team today"? ::dribble::
No wonder this article on the Big Red Sports Network (https://www.cornellbrsn.com/post/throwback-thursday-revisiting-the-legacy-of-ned-harkness) is anonymous. ::scream::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyI don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.
In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.
In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game!
Uh-uh. Cornell beat a great Harvard team 2-1 winter of 1961-1962 in Lynah under Paul Patten. Start of the Lynah Faithful. Probably other Ivy wins, too.
That doesn't really contradict the words "Until 1961".
On the other hand, Cornell defeated Penn a few times in 1959 and 1960, which does contradict those words - maybe "had never won a game against an Ivy League opponent that still has a hockey team today"? ::dribble::
No wonder this article on the Big Red Sports Network (https://www.cornellbrsn.com/post/throwback-thursday-revisiting-the-legacy-of-ned-harkness) is anonymous. ::scream::
Lots of potential culprits (https://www.cornellbrsn.com/executive-board), though...
Great article.
The Long Red Line (https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/long-red-line-led-national-championship)
Quote from: Ken711Great article.
The Long Red Line (https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/long-red-line-led-national-championship)
Indeed. Makes you proud.
Thanks.
Quote from: Ken711Great article.
The Long Red Line (https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/long-red-line-led-national-championship)
Yes, but mistakenly puts French on the 1977 unbeaten lacrosse team, much like some think Dryden backstopped the unbeaten 1970 hockey team.
Dryden did backstop the one-loss 1967 hockey team to an NCAA championship as a "sophomore sensation" (Cornell Daily Sun description of him after an early season win), and IIRC he did not play in that one loss.
Quote from: CU77Dryden did backstop the one-loss 1967 hockey team to an NCAA championship as a "sophomore sensation" (Cornell Daily Sun description of him after an early season win), and IIRC he did not play in that one loss.
You are correct, Dave Quarrie, a senior, played in two games that year, including a 3-4 OT loss to Yale at Lynah. His GPG average was 2.86, almost double Dryden 1.46 for the other 27 games. The following game was a 3-3 tie, after two OTs, against BU in the Boston Arena Christmas Tournament. I remember listening to it on the radio back in Ithaca.
BTW, there was no scoring in the first 10 minute OT, so the coaches agreed to play a second 10 minute period. After 20 scoreless minutes, the game was declared a tie, and Cornell and BU were named co-champions.
Quote from: George64Quote from: CU77Dryden did backstop the one-loss 1967 hockey team to an NCAA championship as a "sophomore sensation" (Cornell Daily Sun description of him after an early season win), and IIRC he did not play in that one loss.
You are correct, Dave Quarrie, a senior, played in two games that year, including a 3-4 OT loss to Yale at Lynah. His GPG average was 2.86, almost double Dryden 1.46 for the other 27 games. The following game was a 3-3 tie, after two OTs, against BU in the Boston Arena Christmas Tournament. I remember listening to it on the radio back in Ithaca.
BTW, there was no scoring in the first 10 minute OT, so the coaches agreed to play a second 10 minute period. After 20 scoreless minutes, the game was declared a tie, and Cornell and BU were named co-champions.
IIRC, the Yale loss followed the BU tie. Both Cornell and BU were unbeaten going into that tournament game.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioIIRC, the Yale loss followed the BU tie. Both Cornell and BU were unbeaten going into that tournament game.
You're correct.
No game today.
That's because the season is over and we are THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!
I am very late to this particular party (regarding the new Field House), but is the idea that the Field House will host lacrosse games? It would be cool to see early season games better attended, if the national championship can stir up more interest on campus. Does anyone know when it will open and what the seating capacity will be?
it was not really designed to host games with any size crowd thats very large.. Hopefully it will allow a game to at least still by on ESPN+
Quote from: djk26I am very late to this particular party (regarding the new Field House), but is the idea that the Field House will host lacrosse games? It would be cool to see early season games better attended, if the national championship can stir up more interest on campus. Does anyone know when it will open and what the seating capacity will be?
Yes, they'll be able to play games in the new field house when the weather isn't conducive for an outdoor game. I believe spectator capacity may be a bit under 1,000 people.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: djk26I am very late to this particular party (regarding the new Field House), but is the idea that the Field House will host lacrosse games? It would be cool to see early season games better attended, if the national championship can stir up more interest on campus. Does anyone know when it will open and what the seating capacity will be?
Yes, they'll be able to play games in the new field house when the weather isn't conducive for an outdoor game. I believe spectator capacity may be a bit under 1,000 people.
Official attendance at early home games:
Feb 22 Denver 644
Mar 8 Penn State 1644
Mar 22 Princeton 2023
Mar 29 Penn 1244
Sounds similar to the Michigan field house. I remember a game against them where it was moved to that location at the last minute. Capacity was minimal and the sightlines for the goalkeepers were not what you'd want. Looking it up, we did come away with the W though: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2014/3/1/MLAX_0301142802.aspx
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: djk26I am very late to this particular party (regarding the new Field House), but is the idea that the Field House will host lacrosse games? It would be cool to see early season games better attended, if the national championship can stir up more interest on campus. Does anyone know when it will open and what the seating capacity will be?
Yes, they'll be able to play games in the new field house when the weather isn't conducive for an outdoor game. I believe spectator capacity may be a bit under 1,000 people.
I'm not sure it will accommodate 1,000 fans. The upper mezzanine area for fans is more likely limited to 100 fans at most. Whether there's space on the field level that would accommodate more fans, if allowed, is also a question.
the way cornell safety works I dont know that letting normal people stand in the way of a lax ball will be allowed much.
How much room is even off the field for the players to not hist walls is a question.
Quote from: upprdeckthe way cornell safety works I dont know that letting normal people stand in the way of a lax ball will be allowed much.
How much room is even off the field for the players to not hist walls is a question.
Very true. I suppose some fans could watch the game from outside through the windows on the corners of the facility.
I wonder if there will be set criteria for moving games indoors or if it will be based on ~*vibes*~
I happened to be at the same Ithaca hotel as the Dartmouth women's tennis team a few months back and overheard one of the coaches talking to someone about the exact criteria that tennis uses to determine whether matches are held indoors or outdoors. (He mentioned it was moot because Cornell hosted all of its matches indoors this spring because of work on the outdoor courts, though apparently Dartmouth declined the option to play outdoors at IC.)
Quote from: WederI wonder if there will be set criteria for moving games indoors or if it will be based on ~*vibes*~
I happened to be at the same Ithaca hotel as the Dartmouth women's tennis team a few months back and overheard one of the coaches talking to someone about the exact criteria that tennis uses to determine whether matches are held indoors or outdoors. (He mentioned it was moot because Cornell hosted all of its matches indoors this spring because of work on the outdoor courts, though apparently Dartmouth declined the option to play outdoors at IC.)
Assuming it would be whether Schoellkopf Field is unplayable (ice and/or snow).
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: WederI wonder if there will be set criteria for moving games indoors or if it will be based on ~*vibes*~
I happened to be at the same Ithaca hotel as the Dartmouth women's tennis team a few months back and overheard one of the coaches talking to someone about the exact criteria that tennis uses to determine whether matches are held indoors or outdoors. (He mentioned it was moot because Cornell hosted all of its matches indoors this spring because of work on the outdoor courts, though apparently Dartmouth declined the option to play outdoors at IC.)
Assuming it would be whether Schoellkopf Field is unplayable (ice and/or snow).
One example (https://tompkinsweekly.com/articles/cornell-coaches-look-forward-to-more-spaces-to-play-as-new-indoor-fieldhouse-faces-approval-process/)
Quote from: Buczek and GraapWith competition beginning in February, lacrosse players at Cornell have played in some very challenging conditions.
"Currently, we are at the will of the weather in upstate New York," said Connor Buczek, Cornell's men's varsity lacrosse coach.
The 2024 season had some especially bad conditions throughout.
"We probably would have played upwards of six or seven games indoors based on the weather that we had," Graap said. "It's more than I would have thought, to be honest."
For Graap, the women's game Feb. 17 against the University of California, Berkeley, stands out as particularly difficult.
"At our game with Cal Berkeley, we had a whiteout snowstorm," said Graap. "Into the second quarter we could no longer see the restraining lines and the crease. We couldn't see the critical lines on the field."
Cornell ended up winning that game 13-7, but the game stands out to Graap as an example of weather getting in the way of competition.
"The grounds crew was able to sweep the field and get that layer of snow off, so the second half was much better," she said, "but we shouldn't have that challenge of the elements."
I'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.
Quote from: imafrshmnI'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.
(https://www.edwardrendell.com/uploads/photo_slider01.jpg)
It's all been shite since we put up lights.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: imafrshmnI'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.
(https://www.edwardrendell.com/uploads/photo_slider01.jpg)
It is ironic that the author uses a euphemism.
Quote from: TrotskyIt's all been shite since we put up lights.
Those lights are awful. You gotta wear sunglasses and a cap or you get blinded out there.
Unrelated and not sure if anyone has mentioned this but it would've been great to hear Barry call the championship game.
Quote from: arugulaUnrelated and not sure if anyone has mentioned this but it would've been great to hear Barry call the championship game.
+1
Miss the guy but happy retirement to him!
Quote from: arugulaUnrelated and not sure if anyone has mentioned this but it would've been great to hear Barry call the championship game.
I absolutely thought of him amongst the many.
It's been a week, but we're still the NCAA Champs!!
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: imafrshmnI'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.
(https://www.edwardrendell.com/uploads/photo_slider01.jpg)
It is ironic that the author uses a euphemism.
Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice...
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
Quote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
As a graduate student, it should be noted. He played 4 years of lax at Cornell.
How many years of NCAA eligibility does a player have? Ivy League doesn't allow grad students on teams but how can someone play anywhere as a grad student if he has already used four years somewhere else? I thought NCAA eligibility was four years, not five.
Quote from: djk26How many years of NCAA eligibility does a player have? Ivy League doesn't allow grad students on teams but how can someone play anywhere as a grad student if he has already used four years somewhere else? I thought NCAA eligibility was four years, not five.
They typically have 5 years complete 4 years of eligibility. Wallace didn't see any action in his sophomore year and played in only 8 games in 2024. I assume he was granted an injury waiver for a graduate year.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: imafrshmnI'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.
(https://www.edwardrendell.com/uploads/photo_slider01.jpg)
It is ironic that the author uses a euphemism.
Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice...
Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice...
Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.
Rendell was certainly "colorful," and he did some good in his time. This book was probably his mini-Giuliani moment. At least there was no hair dye running down his face as he rode off into the sunset.
My commentary, if there could be said to be such by dropping in a picture, was only that there is a long, relatively silly debate over just this kind of thing. As an upstate New Yorker, I'll say that there is some point to the elements "building character"; I'll also say that can go way too far. (Note the struggles our crew team has getting out some seasons.)
I want the lacrosse team to use the facility
just enough to get in quality practice but not too much as to lose the well-known weather-related aspects of our home-field advantage, which there is no shame in exploiting.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice...
Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.
Rendell was certainly "colorful," and he did some good in his time. This book was probably his mini-Giuliani moment. At least there was no hair dye running down his face as he rode off into the sunset.
My commentary, if there could be said to be such by dropping in a picture, was only that there is a long, relatively silly debate over just this kind of thing. As an upstate New Yorker, I'll say that there is some point to the elements "building character"; I'll also say that can go way too far. (Note the struggles our crew team has getting out some seasons.)
I want the lacrosse team to use the facility just enough to get in quality practice but not too much as to lose the well-known weather-related aspects of our home-field advantage, which there is no shame in exploiting.
Coach Buczek seems like the kind of guy who will leave no stone unturned to get the most out of his teams. I imagine the team will spend a fair amount of time in the hard, unforgiving Ithaca mornings early in the year.
A full indoor field will make us a better team. It will be especially helpful for work in the fall and deep into the winter when the foundations are established for understanding schemes on O and D, developing chemistry on the field, improving conditioning, strength, and esprit de corps.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice...
Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.
Rendell was certainly "colorful," and he did some good in his time. This book was probably his mini-Giuliani moment. At least there was no hair dye running down his face as he rode off into the sunset.
My commentary, if there could be said to be such by dropping in a picture, was only that there is a long, relatively silly debate over just this kind of thing. As an upstate New Yorker, I'll say that there is some point to the elements "building character"; I'll also say that can go way too far. (Note the struggles our crew team has getting out some seasons.)
I want the lacrosse team to use the facility just enough to get in quality practice but not too much as to lose the well-known weather-related aspects of our home-field advantage, which there is no shame in exploiting.
Coach Buczek seems like the kind of guy who will leave no stone unturned to get the most out of his teams. I imagine the team will spend a fair amount of time in the hard, unforgiving Ithaca mornings early in the year.
A full indoor field will make us a better team. It will be especially helpful for work in the fall and deep into the winter when the foundations are established for understanding schemes on O and D, developing chemistry on the field, improving conditioning, strength, and esprit de corps.
Are the coaches allowed to run practices in the fall and winter?
Quote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice...
Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.
Rendell was certainly "colorful," and he did some good in his time. This book was probably his mini-Giuliani moment. At least there was no hair dye running down his face as he rode off into the sunset.
My commentary, if there could be said to be such by dropping in a picture, was only that there is a long, relatively silly debate over just this kind of thing. As an upstate New Yorker, I'll say that there is some point to the elements "building character"; I'll also say that can go way too far. (Note the struggles our crew team has getting out some seasons.)
I want the lacrosse team to use the facility just enough to get in quality practice but not too much as to lose the well-known weather-related aspects of our home-field advantage, which there is no shame in exploiting.
Coach Buczek seems like the kind of guy who will leave no stone unturned to get the most out of his teams. I imagine the team will spend a fair amount of time in the hard, unforgiving Ithaca mornings early in the year.
A full indoor field will make us a better team. It will be especially helpful for work in the fall and deep into the winter when the foundations are established for understanding schemes on O and D, developing chemistry on the field, improving conditioning, strength, and esprit de corps.
Are the coaches allowed to run practices in the fall and winter?
Yes, but they are limited on how many practices/hours they can run.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
Assume you're not including Jim Brown because he technically didn't switch?
Also, Lax Guy became a minor meme in the NBA this year:
https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/sports/pat-spencer-nba-golden-state-warriors-lacrosse-loyola-greyhounds-6NAHOOKD4FBKZACZPTPGTJ4NNI/
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
Quote from: stereaxWow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
Goalie to LSM.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Wallace was second team All-State in football when he played in high school.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
I mean it's probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn't play hockey like his brother?
Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
I mean it's probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn't play hockey like his brother?
I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
I mean it's probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn't play hockey like his brother?
I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.
I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?
Quote from: WederQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
I mean it's probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn't play hockey like his brother?
I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.
I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?
I think it started as a joke but was taken seriously. Walker from Virginia; Winter from Colorado.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: WederQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
I mean it's probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn't play hockey like his brother?
I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.
I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?
I think it started as a joke but was taken seriously. Walker from Virginia; Winter from Colorado.
They still could be brothers. ::innocent::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: WederQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
I mean it's probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn't play hockey like his brother?
I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.
I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?
I think it started as a joke but was taken seriously. Walker from Virginia; Winter from Colorado.
They still could be brothers. ::innocent::
Brother from another mother.
I don't know if this play from the MD game has been discussed. With seconds to go in the first half, Knust was out of the goal and a MD player got the ground ball and had a free shot at the goal, but Andrew Dalton jumps up and blocks the shot WITH HIS HELMET! Then he walks off and nods his head at the MD shooter as if to say "that's all you got"?
Huge play, would have ties the game and given MD a huge boost going into halftime.
As you can tell, I can't stop watching this game.
Quote from: jjanow99I don't know if this play from the MD game has been discussed. With seconds to go in the first half, Knust was out of the goal and a MD player got the ground ball and had a free shot at the goal, but Andrew Dalton jumps up and blocks the shot WITH HIS HELMET! Then he walks off and nods his head at the MD shooter as if to say "that's all you got"?
Huge play, would have ties the game and given MD a huge boost going into halftime.
As you can tell, I can't stop watching this game.
Yes that could have been a pivotal momentum changing play. Hyping up Maryland as they enter the half and perhaps a deflating confidence downer for Cornell.
Complete video of the final from NCAA championships, free of ESPN chyrons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HtuaXmovLE
Quote from: CU77Complete video of the final from NCAA championships, free of ESPN chyrons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HtuaXmovLE
And in full 1080 HD, nice. I think ESPN+ only keeps videos available on demand for a relatively short amount of time, hopefully this YouTube video stays up indefinitely.
Quote from: CU77Complete video of the final from NCAA championships, free of ESPN chyrons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HtuaXmovLE
All time keeper.
Can we also remove the way the announcer adds extra syllable to words ending with a consonant sound? Game-muh. Off the netting-guh.
I've been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they've interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It's been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.
Quote from: mike1960I've been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they've interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It's been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.
Pretty much everyone wanted us to win. Even the Maryland fans sound happy for us.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960I've been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they've interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It's been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.
Pretty much everyone wanted us to win. Even the Maryland fans sound happy for us.
They endured a similar drought.
Quote from: mike1960I've been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they've interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It's been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.
What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can't get enough of.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960I've been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they've interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It's been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.
What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can't get enough of.
+1
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960I've been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they've interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It's been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.
What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can't get enough of.
Here's what I've heard so far. If anyone knows of others, please post!
Quint's Lacrosse All Starts Podcast Network:
6/5 Anish Shroff
5/28 Brendan Staub (Great!)
5/20 Championship week preview (interesting)
Inside Lacrosse
6/1 The Tailgate
5/30 It's a Big Red World (somewhat self-involved, but interview with Ryan Goldstein from before the Harvard game)
First Class Lacrosse Podcast
5/30 First part of the podcast about Cornell's run
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960I've been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they've interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It's been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.
What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can't get enough of.
Here's what I've heard so far. If anyone knows of others, please post!
Quint's Lacrosse All Starts Podcast Network:
6/5 Anish Shroff
5/28 Brendan Staub (Great!)
5/20 Championship week preview (interesting)
Inside Lacrosse
6/1 The Tailgate
5/30 It's a Big Red World (somewhat self-involved, but interview with Ryan Goldstein from before the Harvard game)
First Class Lacrosse Podcast
5/30 First part of the podcast about Cornell's run
The College Lacrosse Show (Jonathan Donville is a co-host) - posted yesterday.
Quote from: LGR14The College Lacrosse Show (Jonathan Danville is a co-host) - posted yesterday.
I second this one. I have been listening to this show all season and very much enjoyed the banter. Donville is a bit unpolished, but infectious and funny and, of course, loves Cornell so how could you not like him? :-)
Quote from: LGR14Quote from: mike1960Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960I've been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they've interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It's been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.
What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can't get enough of.
Here's what I've heard so far. If anyone knows of others, please post!
Quint's Lacrosse All Starts Podcast Network:
6/5 Anish Shroff
5/28 Brendan Staub (Great!)
5/20 Championship week preview (interesting)
Inside Lacrosse
6/1 The Tailgate
5/30 It's a Big Red World (somewhat self-involved, but interview with Ryan Goldstein from before the Harvard game)
First Class Lacrosse Podcast
5/30 First part of the podcast about Cornell's run
The College Lacrosse Show (Jonathan Donville is a co-host) - posted yesterday.
I still haven't forgiven Donville but I'm glad I gave it a listen.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: WederQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Ken711Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.
To play football??
Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.
We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.
I mean it's probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn't play hockey like his brother?
I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.
I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?
I think it started as a joke but was taken seriously. Walker from Virginia; Winter from Colorado.
Otherwise 2 points for nominal determinism.
Quote from: mike1960I still haven't forgiven Donville but I'm glad I gave it a listen.
Forgiven him for what? Thanks to COVID and the IV League shutdown, he had one more year of eligibility. But he graduated from Cornell, and IV rules wouldn't let him play as a graduate student. So, he went to Maryland to earn a graduate degree, play lacrosse, and win an NC in 2022.
In that championship game, he scored one goal, I believe. So, a fair assumption is that if he had been able to play for Cornell instead, Maryland would have had one fewer goal, and Cornell, one more. Since the actual final score was 9-7, graduate-student Donville playing for Cornell would have made the score 8-8 and go to overtime. Given how the actual 2022 game ended, it's also fair to say Cornell would have been the favorite to win in overtime.
So, don't blame Donville. Unless you think he should have quit lacrosse and stayed at Cornell for graduate school, he did nothing wrong, and there's nothing to forgive. Instead, perhaps blame the IV League for its somewhat hypocritical practice of giving athletes an additional year of eligibility but banning them from playing as gradual students.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960I still haven't forgiven Donville but I'm glad I gave it a listen.
Forgiven him for what? Thanks to COVID and the IV League shutdown, he had one more year of eligibility. But he graduated from Cornell, and IV rules wouldn't let him play as a graduate student. So, he went to Maryland to earn a graduate degree, play lacrosse, and win an NC in 2022.
In that championship game, he scored one goal, I believe. So, a fair assumption is that if he had been able to play for Cornell instead, Maryland would have had one fewer goal, and Cornell, one more. Since the actual final score was 9-7, graduate-student Donville playing for Cornell would have made the score 8-8 and go to overtime. Given how the actual 2022 game ended, it's also fair to say Cornell would have been the favorite to win in overtime.
So, don't blame Donville. Unless you think he should have quit lacrosse and stayed at Cornell for graduate school, he did nothing wrong, and there's nothing to forgive. Instead, perhaps blame the IV League for its somewhat hypocritical practice of giving athletes an additional year of eligibility but banning them from playing as gradual students.
It is definitely the Ivy League's fault far more than it is Donville's. But I don't think it's a fair assumption that removing the (second?) best player from the opponent and putting him on your team is worth only a 2-goal swing. Also, there were other players in Donville's shoes who unenrolled to preserve their Cornell eligibility, right?
The Ivy rules have always been incredibly stupid, but much more so now in our new world of players regularly seeing 5 or 6 years of eligibility. I'm wondering—for the Ivy to reverse course on grad student eligibility, what mechanically would need to happen? Would the presidents of the 8 Ivies need to agree? Is it the Ivy League commissioner's call?
ADs vote-Ivy Council (Faculty Reps) vote and finally Presidents vote. To move through each level there must be a vote of 6 in favor to move and pass at each level.
Lacrosse coach Max Silberlicht reviews film on each score in the championship game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LocG6rUL6Pc&t=163s
Was it ever confirmed is CJ was playing with a broken hand and a pulled hamstring? And if yes, (seriously) how is it possible that he could play and perform at the level he did?
Quote from: KenPWas it ever confirmed is CJ was playing with a broken hand and a pulled hamstring? And if yes, (seriously) how is it possible that he could play and perform at the level he did?
After seeing a passing reference to surgery and him being placed on the PLL injured list, I found this:
https://premierlacrosseleague.com/articles/cj-kirst-moved-to-the-pup-list
QuoteKirst played through a right hand injury for most of his senior season at Cornell.
"I broke my hand in the middle of the year this spring and I was able to play through it," Kirst said. "I'm going to get surgery later this week and then be out and doing PT for three to four weeks and hopefully be back as soon as possible."
Quote from: KenPWas it ever confirmed is CJ was playing with a broken hand and a pulled hamstring? And if yes, (seriously) how is it possible that he could play and perform at the level he did?
I haven't seen a good post-championship interview with him yet where the interview would ask.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: KenPWas it ever confirmed is CJ was playing with a broken hand and a pulled hamstring? And if yes, (seriously) how is it possible that he could play and perform at the level he did?
After seeing a passing reference to surgery and him being placed on the PLL injured list, I found this:
https://premierlacrosseleague.com/articles/cj-kirst-moved-to-the-pup-list
QuoteKirst played through a right hand injury for most of his senior season at Cornell.
"I broke my hand in the middle of the year this spring and I was able to play through it," Kirst said. "I'm going to get surgery later this week and then be out and doing PT for three to four weeks and hopefully be back as soon as possible."
Jesus... Kirst, I guess. That sounds painful. And to still put up those kinda goals.
Re the 2022 championship game, and taking off the carnelian tinted glasses: yes, the final score was 9-7, but undefeated #1 seed Maryland led 9-2 late in the first half. It was a hot day, it was the 2nd game in 3 days, and the Terps realized they were in full control. So they let up a bit. Had Cornell made a serious threat to win (they did not), I have no doubt that the Terps would have come back up to full speed and dominated again. The Terps had lost the previous year's national championship game to UVa 18-17, and they were on an absolute mission in 2022, much like Cornell this year.
Quote from: CU77Re the 2022 championship game, and taking off the carnelian tinted glasses: yes, the final score was 9-7, but undefeated #1 seed Maryland led 9-2 late in the first half. It was a hot day, it was the 2nd game in 3 days, and the Terps realized they were in full control. So they let up a bit. Had Cornell made a serious threat to win (they did not), I have no doubt that the Terps would have come back up to full speed and dominated again. The Terps had lost the previous year's national championship game to UVa 18-17, and they were on an absolute mission in 2022, much like Cornell this year.
I think this is wrong. As Cornell was cutting into the lead, it became clear Maryland was totally exhausted. If there was a fifth quarter, Cornell very likely would have won the game. During the championship game this year the commentators told the story of seeing Tillman in the airport after the 2022 championship game. Tillman told them: "I'm glad the game wasn't two minutes longer, because we would have lost." Maryland won that game fair and square (well, except for the fact they were loaded with transfers/fifth years and we weren't), but they were trending way downwards and barely hung on with everything they had.
Quote from: CU77Re the 2022 championship game, and taking off the carnelian tinted glasses: yes, the final score was 9-7, but undefeated #1 seed Maryland led 9-2 late in the first half. It was a hot day, it was the 2nd game in 3 days, and the Terps realized they were in full control. So they let up a bit. Had Cornell made a serious threat to win (they did not), I have no doubt that the Terps would have come back up to full speed and dominated again. The Terps had lost the previous year's national championship game to UVa 18-17, and they were on an absolute mission in 2022, much like Cornell this year.
7-2 at halftime...just like 1976. Had Piatelli's dunk at the crease not hit the post and then McNaney's backside before going in, the score would have been 9-7 with 3:30 to go. A "serious threat." Terps were gassed, just as Tillman said they were, multiple times, this year.
2009 was...I don't want to say heartbreaking because I was a fan; I'm sure it was heartbreaking for the players and sad for the rest of us. 2022 didn't feel that way because Cornell never led in that game (well, they did lead 1-0, but I mean they didn't surrender a late lead.) In both 2009 and 2022, I thought the team exceeded expectations so to even make the final both years (2022 even more so) was a huge accomplishment.
I say this all to point out that a lot of that disappointment has been erased because the team won in all in 2025! Yes, guys like Max Seibald and Gavin Adler and many (or all, in the case of Seibald) of their teammates never got to be national champions. 2025 doesn't take that away for the players. But it largely does for me as a fan.
djk, you have my permission to have your heart broken as a fan.
Quote from: djk262009 was...I don't want to say heartbreaking because I was a fan; I'm sure it was heartbreaking for the players and sad for the rest of us. 2022 didn't feel that way because Cornell never led in that game (well, they did lead 1-0, but I mean they didn't surrender a late lead.) In both 2009 and 2022, I thought the team exceeded expectations so to even make the final both years (2022 even more so) was a huge accomplishment.
I say this all to point out that a lot of that disappointment has been erased because the team won in all in 2025! Yes, guys like Max Seibald and Gavin Adler and many (or all, in the case of Seibald) of their teammates never got to be national champions. 2025 doesn't take that away for the players. But it largely does for me as a fan.
2009 was by far the single most heartbreaking loss, in any sport, I have ever experienced (as a fan). Second was probably this season's final 8 loss to BU in OT in hockey, but the 2009 lacrosse final was far worse. And yes, it did make the 2025 title that much more meaningful to me (again, as a fan). 2009, which occurred the spring of my freshman year, set the stage for the next 15 years of pain as a Cornell sports fan. But maybe 2025 is the beginning of a new era.
Quote from: ugartedjk, you have my permission to have your heart broken as a fan.
This is really at the crux of how sports imitates life. Many of us habitually delay the processing of difficult emotions or don't even realize that stuff is still sitting somewhere in our subconscious mind, and it is only through a moment of ecstatic absolution that we feel it is safe or worthwhile to do that work. Yes, "only sports" teaches us a thing or two about dealing with "real" wounds and traumas.
There's another site selling championship gear (for a limited time), and the proceeds apparently go to the team.
https://bsnteamsports.com/shop/RhzsMSHPvz
Quote from: WederThere's another site selling championship gear (for a limited time), and the proceeds apparently go to the team.
https://bsnteamsports.com/shop/RhzsMSHPvz
Is there an issue with putting all seven letters in the university's name on a shirt?:-(
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: WederThere's another site selling championship gear (for a limited time), and the proceeds apparently go to the team.
https://bsnteamsports.com/shop/RhzsMSHPvz
Is there an issue with putting all seven letters in the university's name on a shirt?:-(
Maybe there is, Maybe it would make the
$67.99 for long sleeved men's or women's T-shirt even more expensive. ::thud::
Other than the hat there is nothing in that list that I would ever buy and actually wear in public
Best we can do is a bucket hat.
I bought one of the t-shirts from the Campus Store. As well as "National Champions", etc., it says "Cornell" in roughly 1-1/2" letters, "Big Red" in 3/4" letters, along with the huge block "C".
It arrived last week. I'm wearing it as we speak/write.
However, I just went on the webpage and it's no longer offered.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I bought one of the t-shirts from the Campus Store. As well as "National Champions", etc., it says "Cornell" in roughly 1-1/2" letters, "Big Red" in 3/4" letters, along with the huge block "C".
It arrived last week. I'm wearing it as we speak/write.
However, I just went on the webpage and it's no longer offered.
Keep checking, or call the campus store directly. They pull the web page when the stock gets low , but they might still have some (they did in my case). I was told they had more coming in, in anticipation of Reunion Weekend, and that they were selling like hotcakes!
Another source for championship duds:
https://shop.ivyleaguesports.com/ivy-league/cornell-big-red/t-23482804+z-9230923-353053255
Quote from: upprdeckOther than the hat there is nothing in that list that I would ever buy and actually wear in public
Those are very busy pieces of clothing.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckOther than the hat there is nothing in that list that I would ever buy and actually wear in public
Those are very busy pieces of clothing.
At the pre-game tailgate, I saw some guys with red hats that said something about Cornell National Lax Champs '76(?), and on the side it had the Cornell score above the Maryland (?) score. I would LOVE to have a hat like that for this championship.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckOther than the hat there is nothing in that list that I would ever buy and actually wear in public
Those are very busy pieces of clothing.
I'd like to see a red jersey with a large white block C on the front and an equally-sized number 1 in the back. That would say it all for me, plus I could wear it after our next hockey championship.
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Bring back the leaning bear logo!
Quote from: The RancorBring back the leaning bear logo!
+100
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: The RancorBring back the leaning bear logo!
+100
You can still find some gear at the Cornell store with the angry bear logo
https://www.streakersports.com/search?type=product&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=Cornell*
Quote from: underskillhttps://www.streakersports.com/search?type=product&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=Cornell*
I've been hoping that Homefield will make Cornell stuff one day, but this is pretty close to what I'd want!
Quote from: WederQuote from: underskillhttps://www.streakersports.com/search?type=product&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=Cornell*
I've been hoping that Homefield will make Cornell stuff one day, but this is pretty close to what I'd want!
If the leaning bear was holding a long pole, I'd definitely buy that.
Homefield is great but last I looked the only Ivies were Yale and Harvard.
Email the campus store — if a handful of people ask I imagine they'd explore licensing. I shot them a message.
Quote from: pfibigerEmail the campus store — if a handful of people ask I imagine they'd explore licensing. I shot them a message.
I emailed them, thanks for the suggestion.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK2IPZgMc73/
Can't get enough!
Quote from: mike1960https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK2IPZgMc73/
Can't get enough!
It's Beautiful.
How does one save an Instagram thing locally?
Quote from: BearLoverIt is impossible to know what Cornell athletics would have achieved if the pandemic had never happened. Maybe men's hockey, women's hockey, or men's lacrosse wins a national title that year or soon after. Perhaps men's lacrosse wins in 2022 if the pandemic doesn't lead to Donville transferring to the team that then beat us in the finals.
At the time, the way things were proceeding, the mass exodus of players from the #1 hockey team in the country, the coach of our #1/#2 lacrosse team leaving for Johns Hopkins, losing Morgan Barron and Jeff Teat to the pros after just two postseasons each, it felt like all of Cornell athletics was crashing down and would have to start again from square one.
But this crazy sequence of events led to Buzcek becoming our next head coach, a number of players on the 2020/2021 teams preserving eligibility and giving Cornell numerous fifth and sixth year players, something that would not otherwise be afforded to an Ivy program. Just a few years after the canceled seasons we had maybe the best coach and certainly the best senior class in the entire country. The result: a national championship. Given it's been almost 50 years since the last one in lacrosse OR hockey (men's or women's), in my view yesterday closed the loop on "what could have been" in 2020. I will not again complain about these lost seasons because the winding road of the past few years led Cornell to its first title since 1977.
I'm bumping my earlier thoughts because mike1960 asked if PM would have won a title as coach. To which I say: he could have won, but given how many things have to break right to win a title, it is more likely than not that he would not have won one by now had he stayed at Cornell. A lot of weird things had to happen for this season's roster, coaching staff, strategy, and lucky bounces to materialize as they did. Even though PM was probably capable of winning a title, had he stayed the universe would not have progressed as it did.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK2IPZgMc73/
Can't get enough!
It's Beautiful.
How does one save an Instagram thing locally?
It's also on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYoR3RrHQUk
This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts (https://clomic.com/product/cornell-big-red-ncaa-national-mens-lacrosse-champions-t-shirt-1467/?gad_campaignid=22585414271)...
Quote from: Chris H82This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts (https://clomic.com/product/cornell-big-red-ncaa-national-mens-lacrosse-champions-t-shirt-1467/?gad_campaignid=22585414271)...
Hmmm. I like the angry bear. The dead turtle and lion not so much.
So was the jersey number of 51 a random choice, or a botched attempt at 15?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Chris H82This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts (https://clomic.com/product/cornell-big-red-ncaa-national-mens-lacrosse-champions-t-shirt-1467/?gad_campaignid=22585414271)...
Hmmm. I like the angry bear. The dead turtle and lion not so much.
Looks pretty silly for a licensed product.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Chris H82This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts (https://clomic.com/product/cornell-big-red-ncaa-national-mens-lacrosse-champions-t-shirt-1467/?gad_campaignid=22585414271)...
Hmmm. I like the angry bear. The dead turtle and lion not so much.
Looks pretty silly for a licensed product.
Silly bears get pretty wild when they vanquish their foes. (https://youtu.be/K9cYcRotufU?si=FCcQMfk5viRmNBRg)
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Chris H82This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts (https://clomic.com/product/cornell-big-red-ncaa-national-mens-lacrosse-champions-t-shirt-1467/?gad_campaignid=22585414271)...
Hmmm. I like the angry bear. The dead turtle and lion not so much.
Looks pretty silly for a licensed product.
Silly bears get pretty wild when they vanquish their foes. (https://youtu.be/K9cYcRotufU?si=FCcQMfk5viRmNBRg)
Somebody needs to make a YouTube playlist of all those intros.
Great video! Shows Cornell is upping its publicity/outreach game via videos. Video has long ago blown by still photos as THE visual medium. My Cornell admittance was helped majorly by winning the NYS HS photographer of the year award. A half-century ago. But, okay, you change with the times and while our younger son learned photography in HS and from me, and now is more wisely in the video / movie production world. He does still photos for a hobby.
Cornell really needs to improve game video starting with Lynah: higher-up cameras (and it can be done), access to the downward facing goal cameras the refs use, maybe (???) a pair of in-goal cams. At least our hockey & lax announcers are good.
Me, I think a good still photo is what you put on the wall. This shot from the West Stands-on-a-trailer thing Cornell brought in. It's low to field for better photos and it provides proximity for parents/fans who want to be heard by the ref. Me, I always believed when you're shooting from the sideline and your son or daughter is on the field (and that includes the joy of their Westfield team (ie Ryan Waldman, Michael Marshall's team) getting its butt kicked by Delbarton lax and hockey), he belongs to the coaches and the refs, not the parents.
Quote from: CU77So was the jersey number of 51 a random choice, or a botched attempt at 15?
Albert Einstein was dyslexic, too, and still got a job at Princeton.
Just in case this hasn't been posted here yet, here are full official replays of the semifinal and final on youtube:
Semifinal against Penn State (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_owYKSoiowc)
Final against Maryland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HtuaXmovLE)
And, from Inside Lacrosse, a slide show of the postgame title celebration:
Championship celebration (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/champs-cornell-s-on-field-ncaa-title-celebration/65524)
Am I the only one unaware of the weekly lacrosse podcasts done by Jonathan Donville and Dan Arestia? Just stumbled on to these on youtube and think they are very informative with little extraneous chit-chat. Here's a link to their season wrap-up done after championship weekend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2DsVrxwBA4
Came across another T-shirt design. Dodges the NC$$ by not referring to them. Yet another Bear, and the Terrapin (it's just a turtle here) looks too happy.
https://competitive-edge.co/products/2025-champs-tee?variant=46328073355521&country=US¤cy=USD&com_cvv=8fb3d522dc163aeadb66e08cd7450cbbdddc64c6cf2e8891f6d48747c6d56d2c
Quote from: Chris H82Came across another T-shirt design. Dodges the NC$$ by not referring to them. Yet another Bear, and the Terrapin (it's just a turtle here) looks too happy.
https://competitive-edge.co/products/2025-champs-tee?variant=46328073355521&country=US¤cy=USD&com_cvv=8fb3d522dc163aeadb66e08cd7450cbbdddc64c6cf2e8891f6d48747c6d56d2c
ai slop
Coach Buczek just promoted Ciferri to replace Stevens and Griffin from Operations to Assistant Coach. Promoting from within - the Big Red way per Inside Lacrosse
Quote from: PaulHoopCoach Buczek just promoted Ciferri to replace Stevens and Griffin from Operations to Assistant Coach. Promoting from within - the Big Red way per Inside Lacrosse
Consistency is not a bad thing. Let's hope he develops a formidable defense.
I don't have the numbers, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.
Quote from: BearLoverI don't have the numbers, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.
I think part of this could be the effect of having an amazing offense. An offense that scores so much and so quickly gives the opponent a lot of chances that they might not have against a slower, less dynamic offense.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: BearLoverI don't have the numbers, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.
I think part of this could be the effect of having an amazing offense. An offense that scores so much and so quickly gives the opponent a lot of chances that they might not have against a slower, less dynamic offense.
I would be interested in seeing stats like defensive efficiency, which I believe accounts for number of possessions. In lacrosse you can't really judge an offense or defense or goalie by goals scored/goals allowed because it doesn't account for number of possessions.
Quote from: BearLoverI don't have the numbers, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.
Could be. But the team played great defense when it really counted. That's what we need if we want to make it back to the big games in May.
In the meantime, last I checked, Cornell remains the national champions of college lacrosse!
If I'm reading lacrosse reference correctly, last season Cornell had the #1 offensive efficiency and #45 defensive efficiency, *not adjusting* for opponents. To get the opponent-adjusted metric, you'd need to subscribe to pro.lacrossereference.com
Massey computes offensive and defensive ratings based on his own proprietary methodology which does take into account opponent strength.
He has Cornell 2025 at #11 defense, #1 offense.
https://masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
Defensive ranking in prior years: 2024 #27; 2023 #14; 2022 #4
https://masseyratings.com/clax2024/ncaa-d1/ratings
Change the year in the URL to see other years.
Quote from: CU77Massey computes offensive and defensive ratings based on his own proprietary methodology which does take into account opponent strength.
He has Cornell 2025 at #11 defense, #1 offense.
https://masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
Defensive ranking in prior years: 2024 #27; 2023 #14; 2022 #4
https://masseyratings.com/clax2024/ncaa-d1/ratings
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Don't do this to him. He'll have nothing to whine about.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77Massey computes offensive and defensive ratings based on his own proprietary methodology which does take into account opponent strength.
He has Cornell 2025 at #11 defense, #1 offense.
https://masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
Defensive ranking in prior years: 2024 #27; 2023 #14; 2022 #4
https://masseyratings.com/clax2024/ncaa-d1/ratings
Change the year in the URL to see other years.
Don't do this to him. He'll have nothing to whine about.
You have a comically low bar for what constitutes "whining." Wahhh I'm so upset I can't whine anymore about *checks notes* a defensive coordinator who isn't even here anymore and who I praised as a Cornell legend a few pages back. I must really love whining about him, and I must be absolutely crushed that CU77 provided these statistics, especially considering I *checks notes* asked for these statistics to be provided.
Back to the actual topic, our mean defensive ranking with Stevens as DC was 14th. That's solid, but not great, considering we are a better than top-14 program (both traditionally and in that span). Our offense in that time was 10th, 8th, 5th, and 1st (average of 6th). Outside of 2022 we didn't have much of a shut-down defense. Thus, while our defense is impact by Stevens' departure, I do not feel like we are losing a strength of our program. (Obviously, he contributed greatly in recruiting and other things as well.)
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77Massey computes offensive and defensive ratings based on his own proprietary methodology which does take into account opponent strength.
He has Cornell 2025 at #11 defense, #1 offense.
https://masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
Defensive ranking in prior years: 2024 #27; 2023 #14; 2022 #4
https://masseyratings.com/clax2024/ncaa-d1/ratings
Change the year in the URL to see other years.
Don't do this to him. He'll have nothing to whine about.
That 2022 team was pretty darned good, full of young guys who went on to win the national championship.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverI don't have the numbers, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.
Could be. But the team played great defense when it really counted. That's what we need if we want to make it back to the big games in May.
In the meantime, last I checked, Cornell remains the national champions of college lacrosse!
My thoughts exactly. In the last 3 games they gave up 12/9/10. I think that having all of the SSDMs back and healthy made a huge difference. I'm wondering if Box and Bozzi were kept out of the ILT just to be sure they were at 100%. I've watched these games multiple times now, and am very impressed with the SSDM contingent.
Jack Cascadden (previously class of '26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.
With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We'll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.
I would not be surprised at all if we're seeded in next year's NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
Quote from: BearLoverJack Cascadden (previously class of '26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.
With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We'll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.
I would not be surprised at all if we're seeded in next year's NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
::cheer::::cheer::::cheer::
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverJack Cascadden (previously class of '26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.
With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We'll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.
I would not be surprised at all if we're seeded in next year's NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
::cheer::::cheer::::cheer::
Some "experts" are even more optimistic: Brown: My Top 10 NCAA Men's DI Contenders For 2026 (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/brown-my-top-10-ncaa-men-s-di-contenders-for-2026/65541)
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverJack Cascadden (previously class of '26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.
With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We'll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.
I would not be surprised at all if we're seeded in next year's NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
::cheer::::cheer::::cheer::
Some "experts" are even more optimistic: Brown: My Top 10 NCAA Men's DI Contenders For 2026 (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/brown-my-top-10-ncaa-men-s-di-contenders-for-2026/65541)
Interesting how high he has Richmond ranked.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverJack Cascadden (previously class of '26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.
With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We'll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.
I would not be surprised at all if we're seeded in next year's NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
::cheer::::cheer::::cheer::
Some "experts" are even more optimistic: Brown: My Top 10 NCAA Men's DI Contenders For 2026 (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/brown-my-top-10-ncaa-men-s-di-contenders-for-2026/65541)
I don't see how it is possible to know where teams truly rank until around the middle of the season.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverJack Cascadden (previously class of '26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.
With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We'll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.
I would not be surprised at all if we're seeded in next year's NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
::cheer::::cheer::::cheer::
Some "experts" are even more optimistic: Brown: My Top 10 NCAA Men's DI Contenders For 2026 (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/brown-my-top-10-ncaa-men-s-di-contenders-for-2026/65541)
I don't see how it is possible to know where teams truly rank until around the middle of the season.
It's not, but CONTENT for the off-season. Gotta keep the clicks.
Right after we beat Maryland someone posted here that they were happy to trade the success of their professional teams for a Cornell championship, and I wholeheartedly agreed with them. Well, with the Mets in freefall and the Giants looking miserable after one game, God is putting me to the test (but I still stand by my prior assertion).
Quote from: scoop85Right after we beat Maryland someone posted here that they were happy to trade the success of their professional teams for a Cornell championship, and I wholeheartedly agreed with them. Well, with the Mets in freefall and the Giants looking miserable after one game, God is putting me to the test (but I still stand by my prior assertion).
I think God is making it easy for you. She's taking you up on your word.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Right after we beat Maryland someone posted here that they were happy to trade the success of their professional teams for a Cornell championship, and I wholeheartedly agreed with them. Well, with the Mets in freefall and the Giants looking miserable after one game, God is putting me to the test (but I still stand by my prior assertion).
I think God is making it easy for you. She's taking you up on your word.
As a Phillies and Eagles fan, I'm glad I didn't make such a pledge.
Quote from: scoop85Right after we beat Maryland someone posted here that they were happy to trade the success of their professional teams for a Cornell championship, and I wholeheartedly agreed with them. Well, with the Mets in freefall and the Giants looking miserable after one game, God is putting me to the test (but I still stand by my prior assertion).
That was me, and I still feel that way well after the immediate post-game euphoria has mellowed.
There's a YouTube Channel called Cuse Crease Highlights (I've mentioned it here before) that I think does the best game highlight packages that I've found on YouTube (high res, no watermark, solid editing choices). The channel over the last few days has put up videos for the NCAA tournament, so now highlights of all four games of Cornell's NCAA championship run are available for your enjoyment.
vs Albany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUJ4rx5rBeU
vs Richmond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV0TnA7t4wA&pp=0gcJCckJAYcqIYzv
vs Penn State: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psyygOR5Ro
vs Maryland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi5x9LJ614E
Quote from: mike1960I don't see how it is possible to know where teams truly rank until around the middle of the season.
a) no, it's not 100% possible ... but ...
b) readers/fans want to know what the experts believe
c) if one journo fails to make the prediction, another site or pub will do it and site 1 loses readers to site 2
d) think of it as entertainment mixed with some insight (see below)
e) there's no harm in making WAG predictions 8 months before the season begins
I do find that the most likely summer/fall-before rankings every year, id taking the winner / runner-up teams from Memorial Day and making them the upcoming season's top two in the ranking. It gets more interesting to see how they think teams outside the top four or five are ranked.
I believe betting sites have reasonable insights into the chances a team will win the championship, more so for pro sports and big time college (football, basketball), far less for hockey and lacrosse.
I get press releases from the flack for betonline dot ag (Antigua) with weird-ass stuff like the odds of Kimmel not returning (1/4 ie 80% odds he won't), odds a dildo gets thrown on the WNBA court and then onto a football field and odds on what color it will be (green leads), and the most likely game (Giants at Cowboys). See, this is news. As is the odds these are the most panicked college football teams (Florida, Arizon State, Michgan lead). Also the odds Donald Trump completes his term (N0 = 5/7 or 58% chance he won't).
Quote from: mike1960I don't see how it is possible to know where teams truly rank until around the middle of the season.
a) no, it's not 100% possible ... but ...
b) readers/fans want to know what the experts believe
c) if one journo fails to make the prediction, another site or pub will do it and site 1 loses readers to site 2
d) think of it as entertainment mixed with some insight (see below)
e) there's no harm in making WAG predictions 8 months before the season begins
I do find that the most likely summer/fall-before rankings every year, id taking the winner / runner-up teams from Memorial Day and making them the upcoming season's top two in the ranking. It gets more interesting to see how they think teams outside the top four or five are ranked.
I believe betting sites have reasonable insights into the chances a team will win the championship, more so for pro sports and big time college (football, basketball), far less for hockey and lacrosse.
I get press releases from the flack for betonline dot ag (Antigua) with weird-ass stuff like the odds of Kimmel not returning (1/4 ie 80% odds he won't), odds a dildo gets thrown on the WNBA court and then onto a football field and odds on what color it will be (green leads), and the most likely game (Giants at Cowboys). See, this is news. As is the odds these are the most panicked college football teams (Florida, Arizon State, Michgan lead). Also the odds Donald Trump completes his term (N0 = 5/7 or 58% chance he won't).