Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don't even have a new topic yet!
I'm feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.
Quote from: jjanow99Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don't even have a new topic yet!
I'm feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.
Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jjanow99Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don't even have a new topic yet!
I'm feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.
Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.
Much will depend on our on-ball defense.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jjanow99Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don't even have a new topic yet!
I'm feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.
Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.
Much will depend on our on-ball defense.
Yes. Gave up 14.5 gpg in ILT.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jjanow99Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don't even have a new topic yet!
I'm feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.
Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.
Much will depend on our on-ball defense.
Yes. Gave up 14.5 gpg in ILT.
But thankfully, we scored 20.5 gpg.
Against Yale, they scored 2 w/ 6.54 left, and we were taking our foot off the gas.
Against Princeton, their last meaningful goal was at 10:25 in the 3rd period, after which we scored 10 goals straight, with Princeton getting a garbage goal with 00:12 left in the game.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jjanow99Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don't even have a new topic yet!
I'm feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.
Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.
I still feel nervous. So much hype for us & very little attention for a non-marquee team like Richmond, who have been excellent. It's a recipe for a big bomb of an upset. We really need to be focused and not have a quarter like the 1st last weekend.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: SwampyQuote from: jjanow99Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don't even have a new topic yet!
I'm feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.
Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.
I still feel nervous. So much hype for us & very little attention for a non-marquee team like Richmond, who have been excellent. It's a recipe for a big bomb of an upset. We really need to be focused and not have a quarter like the 1st last weekend.
I'm nervous too. I expect we'll jump on them early and pull away as the game goes on. But this is sport: Anything can happen.
While we gave up a large number of goals in the ILT, it was against teams with strong offenses.
If we score 14 we win.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jjanow99Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don't even have a new topic yet!
I'm feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.
Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.
Much will depend on our on-ball defense.
Yes. Gave up 14.5 gpg in ILT.
But thankfully, we scored 20.5 gpg.
Against Yale, they scored 2 w/ 6.54 left, and we were taking our foot off the gas.
Against Princeton, their last meaningful goal was at 10:25 in the 3rd period, after which we scored 10 goals straight, with Princeton getting a garbage goal with 00:12 left in the game.
I understand all that. I did watch both games. The other side of the coin is that Yale scored 11 goals in the first 33 minutes, a 20 gpg pace, and trailed by only one at that point. Princeton scored 14 in the first 35 minutes, a frightening pace, and led by four at that point. Would like to avoid another 1-6 first period as at Richmond. I was agreeing with you that on-call D is important... from the opening whistle.
Here's the Saturday weather forecast for Hempstead (https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.7069&lon=-73.6203) (storms are more likely to impact the late game) A chance of showers and thunderstorms, then showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm after 2pm. Cloudy, then gradually becoming mostly sunny, with a high near 80. South wind 6 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.
For anyone in the Atlanta area....
Cornell Men's Lacrosse vs Richmond – Saturday, May 17 at Noon
Come join the Cornell Alumni Association of Atlanta as we watch the game together at the Taco Mac in Sandy Springs.
Taco Mac at the Prado
5600 Roswell Road
Sandy Springs, GA 30342
(404) 941-1503
No RSVP required. Everyone pays for their own food and beverage. Wear your red.
Quote from: KenPHere's the Saturday weather forecast for Hempstead (https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.7069&lon=-73.6203) (storms are more likely to impact the late game) A chance of showers and thunderstorms, then showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm after 2pm. Cloudy, then gradually becoming mostly sunny, with a high near 80. South wind 6 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.
Cornell has handled it well in recent years when there's been a lightning delay in big games. In 2022, Cornell defeated Rutgers, 17-10, in the NCAA semifinals in a game which featured a long delay. Cornell also handled the lightning delays well during the Ivy Tournament a few weeks ago.
Every time I see the subject in this thread I have to think twice because the date is wrong.
Kirst shoots from too far out. This is a good goalie. Let's hit cutters!
That wasn't a possession push. Why 30 seconds?
Will someone tell Cascadden to pass.
On ball defense - let's get out on those shooters.
Box Bozzi both back!
Cascadden gotta swing the rock. Not too concerned though, we look solidly like the better team right now.
Not getting good shots.
We're looking at a hot goalie. We need better shots.
Cutter offense!
Except for not pressing out on the first two Spider goals, our defense is looking pretty good. Richmond is struggling to get good shots.
Ha ha. CJ pointed to the open player and Goldstein fed him.
Two on the SSDM.
Do we have a save yet today?
Quote from: CU2007Do we have a save yet today?
They are popping the corners, but I'm sure Wyatt feels he should have stopped a couple of those.
2 saves
Richmond is doing a really good job knocking down our interior passes. It's time for Mikey Long to find his scoring game.
Awful play there by Holdstein
CJ driving downhill in the lane is a good play.
Cornell with some bad shooting. several pipes and the goalie is making saves
the way the game has been played Cornell should be up 3-4. lets hope the figure it out
Someone else is going to have to step up and score some goals and put pressure away from CJ -- Long, Goldstein, Big Hugh. CJ can't do it alone.
Pretty disjointed feeling half. We were trying to push everything early in possession, to middling success, whereas Richmond was taking the air out of the ball. Don't love the amount of time we're playing defense. Hope Coach B has some adjustments for the 2nd half, which have been a strength of this team.
They are lighting up our short sticks.
Make a fucking save Wyatt. This is starting to feel like one of those out of character games that can end your season
Ran right by Box. Doesn't look 100 percent.
Quote from: chimpfoodMake a fucking save Wyatt. This is starting to feel like one of those out of character games that can end your season
Seriously. Some nice shots, sure, but multiple goals from terrible angles
Score? Away from everything at the moment.
Quote from: chimpfoodMake a fucking save Wyatt. This is starting to feel like one of those out of character games that can end your season
I think he's the least of our problems today
Quote from: toddloseScore? Away from everything at the moment.
8-9
Live stats:
https://www.ncaa.com/game/6448511
Quote from: toddloseScore? Away from everything at the moment.
9-8 Richmond. 6:30 to play 3rd.
9-8 Richmond mid 3rd
That long possession was brutal. Shouldn't cj pass out of the double team quickly?
Quote from: arugulaThat long possession was brutal. Shouldn't cj pass out of the double team quickly?
It seems like Richmond has twice as many players out there.
Richmond getting good shots off the dodge and shot placement is in corners.
Maybe that will negated goal will get us fired up.
Quote from: mike1960Maybe that will negated goal will get us fired up.
What a dumb rule. Had no effect on the goal whatsoever.
Ok. Here we go. The fourth quarter is ours.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioRichmond getting good shots off the dodge and shot placement is in corners.
We need elite on-ball defense in the 4th.
KEEP IT GOING!!
Quote from: CU77Quote from: toddloseScore? Away from everything at the moment.
8-9
Live stats:
https://www.ncaa.com/game/6448511
Thanks
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: CU77Quote from: toddloseScore? Away from everything at the moment.
8-9
Live stats:
https://www.ncaa.com/game/6448511
Thanks
11-10 Cornell now. Estimating 10 minutes left in the 4th.
CJ is trying to do too much. Let's move the ball.
This game is not for the intestinally weak.
Perhaps not the biggest issue but Wyatt is having a tough one.
Wyatt wtf?
It looks like we are standing in sand on defense.
I mean we can't even pass the ball without turnovers
My grandma would be having a better game than knust is right now.
I swear Kelleher has been held at least twice.
Wow I wish we would work for a good shot with the flag down.
Score here. Win this game.
Makes me crazy we didn't get a shot off there.
Ok, where's my pacemaker.
Well that was needlessly complicated.
Quote from: mike1960Ok, where's my pacemaker.
I ran a half marathon this morning and my HR was higher during most of that game. Holy moly.
Quote from: ERQuote from: mike1960Ok, where's my pacemaker.
I ran a half marathon this morning and my HR was higher during most of that game. Holy moly.
!!!
We'll take it.
But we'd better improve on it next week.
If there's an expected goals analytic for lacrosse we probably scored 17-18 goals
In other words, the right result. We deserved to win. Just wasn't as easy as it could've been. 7 posts?
What the hell happened to Knust? 29% SV%? Good lord.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82What the hell happened to Knust? 29% SV%? Good lord.
You could hear the ball hitting the pipe and going in on four or five of those Spider goals. They were pinpoint shots. Yes, he could probably have stopped a few of those, but that was a display of fine shooting.
That was probably the best defense we'll see the rest of the season. They may not be the most talented, but they play together and they are well coached. They do their jobs.
Quote from: mike1960That was probably the best defense we'll see the rest of the season. They may not be the most talented, but they play together and they are well coached. They do their jobs.
Very true.
Gutsy win. Luckily I think that's about as poorly as we can play barring and injury to anyone on our attack or cascadden. Knust was awful to be honest, pretty much all of Richmond's shots were from the outside and while some were well placed, you need to save way more than 29 percent of them. We also rung so many posts and Goldstein missed two open nets. If those shots fell and knust had his usual 50 percent save percentage we win that by 7 or 8. The ride was phenomenal today and really won us that game.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82What the hell happened to Knust? 29% SV%? Good lord.
You could hear the ball hitting the pipe and going in on four or five of those Spider goals. They were pinpoint shots. Yes, he could probably have stopped a few of those, but that was a display of fine shooting.
It seemed he wasn't seeing the ball very well. In a few instances, he moved the basket of his stick past the incoming ball. In other words, it wasn't shot placement that caused the goal.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Spiders coach gets the job the next time a big time program wants to change.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82What the hell happened to Knust? 29% SV%? Good lord.
You could hear the ball hitting the pipe and going in on four or five of those Spider goals. They were pinpoint shots. Yes, he could probably have stopped a few of those, but that was a display of fine shooting.
It seemed he wasn't seeing the ball very well. In a few instances, he moved the basket of his stick past the incoming ball. In other words, it wasn't shot placement that caused the goal.
I saw that one too. He didn't have his best day. But we also need to do a better job closing out on those shooters.
Quote from: mike1960That was probably the best defense we'll see the rest of the season. They may not be the most talented, but they play together and they are well coached. They do their jobs.
During the postgame the announcers commented that Richmond was a team built to beat Cornell. We dodged a bullet, and that easily could have gone to OT. They were the team that scared me the most in our half of the bracket. We escaped.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960That was probably the best defense we'll see the rest of the season. They may not be the most talented, but they play together and they are well coached. They do their jobs.
During the postgame the announcers commented that Richmond was a team built to beat Cornell. We dodged a bullet, and that easily could have gone to OT. They were the team that scared me the most in our half of the bracket. We escaped.
Yep. It felt like the Penn games from last year when a really good defense bogged us down. But we're better this year. We have a more diverse offense and we identify and take advantage of mistakes when they happen.
Edit: We also have the greatest college lacrosse player in the galaxy.
Game highlights.
Richmond Game Highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq_Za2zOVPg)
In past years that's the game that eliminates us. Michigan a couple years ago. Penn in ilt last year. Cross fingers.
Shout to the team playing lockdown the last 5+ minutes to hold a one-goal lead and Goldstein stepping up when Kirst couldn't break out and Knust looked *awful* in the highlight reel.
Quote from: margolismWhile we gave up a large number of goals in the ILT, it was against teams with strong offenses.
If we score 14 we win.
Or 13.
Yea knust wasn't good at all today. It happens. Whatever about a couple nice shots. Doesn't mean he's a bad goalie or a bad person (before anyone gets mad at me) but he will definitely need to be better next weekend.
The Sun https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/05/no-1-men-s-lacrosse-outmaneuvers-richmond-s-defense-for-tight-victory-in-tough-ncaa-quarterfinal
and Cornell Athletics https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/5/17/mens-lacrosse-off-to-the-final-four-outlasts-richmond-13-12.aspx
both have their stories posted.
editing this out--I didn't even know it posted--longer post later in the thread
Kirst did not seem to moving at the pace he has most of the year. He has taken a ton of shots to the body this season so not sure if we credit Richmond's defense or potential minor injury? I will comment that I amazed at the way Goldstein moves his feet. I think 90% of us would trip over our own feet if we tried to move like him.
Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.
Quote from: rss77Kirst did not seem to moving at the pace he has most of the year. He has taken a ton of shots to the body this season so not sure if we credit Richmond's defense or potential minor injury? I will comment that I amazed at the way Goldstein moves his feet. I think 90% of us would trip over our own feet if we tried to move like him.
On replays it looked like he was "over-waving" his stick? Like, moving it too fast and getting ahead of the ball, moving it out of the path when he could've made the save?
But I don't know anything. I'm sure they'll look at tape and figure it out. He was definitely not on.
EDIT: By the way, I read Knust here instead of Kirst. I thought Kirst was just getting hacked and nothing was being done.
Quote from: jjanow99Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.
Dalton. Dalton. Dalton, with the hat-trick was enormous. He and Goldstein are the reasons we're packing for the razor stadium. Ryan more than made up for being shut down last week, other than missing TWO empty cages. Firth had the two points, but I thought he made some key plays in the 4th. Kelleher was surprisingly silent.
Look, Richmond's defense caused a bit of chaos. We had to get big goals from what, 2 or 3 long poles? We just aren't going to see another team like Richmond, thank goodness.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: jjanow99Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.
Dalton. Dalton. Dalton, with the hat-trick was enormous. He and Goldstein are the reasons we're packing for the razor stadium. Ryan more than made up for being shut down last week, other than missing TWO empty cages. Firth had the two points, but I thought he made some key plays in the 4th. Kelleher was surprisingly silent.
Look, Richmond's defense caused a bit of chaos. We had to get big goals from what, 2 or 3 long poles? We just aren't going to see another team like Richmond, thank goodness.
Oops you're right, my oversight, he did come up big.
Quote from: jjanow99Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.
Kelleher was getting hounded the second he touched the ball, can't blame him too much for not putting up numbers.
I attended the game today. It was my first live Cornell lacrosse game since I saw a 2014 loss to Hofstra, also in Hempstead. Before that, I saw a 2011 loss in the same stadium to Virginia in the NCAA tournament. But I also saw two home wins over then #1 ranked (both times) Syracuse in 2000 and 2002, so I thought my luck was bound to change.
The Hosfstra event staff, from parking to ticket scanning to concessions, was excellent. They did need someone to direct traffic before the game as cars were turning from both directions into the parking lot.
It was fun to see so many Cornell fans there. I did feel a little out of place as every other fan seemed to be either 20 years older or 20 years younger than me. And to be honest, there was a bit too much goonery from the college aged Cornell fans. I heard them yelling at Richmond, "This is your Super Bowl!" and dropping F-bombs at them when they did things like double team Kurst. Most of the fans were positive, but we've got the #1 team in the nation, and this unseeded team is giving Cornell all they could handle, let's maybe act a little more like ladies and gentlemen. Richmond had a strong contingent too, overall it seemed like a huge, enthusiastic crowd.
Like most of you, I did not want to see Cornell have to play Richmond again after that game in March. They made Cornell work for everything they got; Cornell was never comfortable and they had to grind out the win. I am not knowledgeable enough to understand why Richmond presents such matchup problems for Cornell. They have an excellent defense, obviously. I was shocked to see that Richmond's goalie had a save percentage of 51%--during the game it felt more like 70% (although Cornell did hit a LOT of pipes.) I was also surprised to see Knust at 29%. I could tell he didn't have a good game, but I believe he made a number of very important saves.
The best player on the field was Goldstein, the most important was Cascadden. Or maybe the other way around; in either case, those two, to me, were the top players for Cornell today. Cascadden needed more help in the middle of the field, I thought. Goldstein (and I think I heard the PA announcer call him "William Goldstein" more than once?) more than made up for an off game for Kurst (or Richmond's strategy of limiting Kurst, I don't know enough to really tell the reason.)
Richmond was great at swarming for possession, so color me stunned when I looked at the stats and saw that Cornell had a 51 to 27 advantage in ground balls. In the end, Cornell was more talented than Richmond, but that wasn't enough. This win is a testament to the hard work and desire of the players and coaching staff. I did NOT like running down the clock and turning it over on a shot clock violation without really trying to score with the score 13-12. That was a tense 29 seconds to the end the game--a real gut check for Cornell's defense, and they passed the test and got the job done.
As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.
Interesting to note that the 13 goals allowed by Richmond in today's game was a season high. And we did it with Kirst scoring only two goals. So while this wasn't our best game offensively, we still gave Richmond their worst game of the season defensively.
This was the only matchup in the tournament for Cornell that gave me pause. If I had to choose between playing Richmond again or Maryland, I would choose Maryland in a heartbeat.
Quote from: djk26As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.
Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?
(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: djk26As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.
Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?
(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)
After each Cornell goal, it was a PA recording of "Free Bird." After each Richmond goal, it was a PA recording of a rap song. Richmond had a band there, I think. I couldn't tell if Cornell did, and I left right when the game ended, so I couldn't tell who was playing "Davy" after the game ended.
As noted in this article from Inside Lacrosse (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-little-things-cornell-sweats-out-win-vs-richmond-moves-to-championship-weekend/65344), while CJ didn't have a great scoring day, he picked up a game-high 10 groundballs, including two in the final three minutes, and also caused a game-high three turnovers. That's what makes him such a great player. He's not just a goal scorer.
A lot of pipes got rung in the Syracuse-Princeton nightcap as well. Never heard that many pipes.
Kirst Knust was an all-round All-America Saturday.
Adding: Knust did not have a very good game in goal, as others have noticed.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: jjanow99Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.
Dalton. Dalton. Dalton, with the hat-trick was enormous. He and Goldstein are the reasons we're packing for the razor stadium. Ryan more than made up for being shut down last week, other than missing TWO empty cages. Firth had the two points, but I thought he made some key plays in the 4th. Kelleher was surprisingly silent.
Look, Richmond's defense caused a bit of chaos. We had to get big goals from what, 2 or 3 long poles? We just aren't going to see another team like Richmond, thank goodness.
First line did their job today, even though it was the least heralded of the trio who put up the goal numbers. I thought Firth had a really impactful fourth quarter, when he'd dodge from the top and start the defense moving. Despite Kelleher's lack of points, he had an important solo clear when the game was in the balance, getting the ball about 10 yards from the midfield line, and running through/past what seemed like 3-4 Richmond players for the successful clear.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: djk26As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.
Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?
(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)
After each Cornell goal, it was a PA recording of "Free Bird." After each Richmond goal, it was a PA recording of a rap song. Richmond had a band there, I think. I couldn't tell if Cornell did, and I left right when the game ended, so I couldn't tell who was playing "Davy" after the game ended.
Thanks for the data!
Quote from: billhowardKnust was an all-round All-America Saturday.
Did you mean Kirst, Bill?
I thought Firth should have gotten the ball more up high to dodge he seemed to run by his man every time
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: djk26Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: djk26As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.
Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?
(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)
After each Cornell goal, it was a PA recording of "Free Bird." After each Richmond goal, it was a PA recording of a rap song. Richmond had a band there, I think. I couldn't tell if Cornell did, and I left right when the game ended, so I couldn't tell who was playing "Davy" after the game ended.
Thanks for the data!
From tv and instagram, I could see and hear the Cornell band. It was rag tag with no Waldo shirts. Didn't see or hear another band.
Quote from: rss77Kirst did not seem to moving at the pace he has most of the year. He has taken a ton of shots to the body this season so not sure if we credit Richmond's defense or potential minor injury? I will comment that I amazed at the way Goldstein moves his feet. I think 90% of us would trip over our own feet if we tried to move like him.
The Spider doubled CJ often today, and then hustled back to recover after he passed the ball. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there didn't seem to be anything particularly special about what they did. They were well coached, and they worked their tails off. That's how lacrosse defense is supposed to be played. It reminds me of our Ben DeLuca defenses from back in the day.
That's what I saw too but you know a helluva lot more about the game than me. They reminded me of the Florida Panthers. Swarming. Do spiders swarm?
Quote from: arugulaThat's what I saw too but you know a helluva lot more about the game than me. They reminded me of the Florida Panthers. Swarming. Do spiders swarm?[/
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Quote from: billhowardKnust was an all-round All-America Saturday.
Knust -> Kirst
This was not one of Knust's better games ...
Quote from: djk26Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: djk26As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.
Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?
(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)
After each Cornell goal, it was a PA recording of "Free Bird." After each Richmond goal, it was a PA recording of a rap song. Richmond had a band there, I think. I couldn't tell if Cornell did, and I left right when the game ended, so I couldn't tell who was playing "Davy" after the game ended.
I don't get it about "Free Bird." OK, so the band's not allowed to play after the team scores. And I suppose they can't find a recording of "Davy" for the PA system. But in the NYC metro area no less, why can't they play "Give My Regards to Broadway" for krise sake?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: djk26Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: djk26As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.
Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?
(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)
After each Cornell goal, it was a PA recording of "Free Bird." After each Richmond goal, it was a PA recording of a rap song. Richmond had a band there, I think. I couldn't tell if Cornell did, and I left right when the game ended, so I couldn't tell who was playing "Davy" after the game ended.
I don't get it about "Free Bird." OK, so the band's not allowed to play after the team scores. And I suppose they can't find a recording of "Davy" for the PA system. But in the NYC metro area no less, why can't they play "Give My Regards to Broadway" for krise sake?
Exactly. I'm slowly trying to get to the bottom of all this, but I'm liking nothing I'm hearing on the way down.
CJ Kirst had three season highs, per Cornell stats:
13 -- Shots (at) goal
3 -- Caused turnovers
10 -- Ground balls
... 10 GBs? Guy thinks he's a midfielder as well.
Kirst is now at (career) 247 goals, 97 assists, 338 points, 159 GBs, 63 CTs. His first three seasons' shooting percentage was .306, .367, .326 and this year .455, almost .100 better than all other years, This year, nearly half the time he shoots, the ball is in the net.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: SwampyQuote from: djk26Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: djk26As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.
Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?
(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)
After each Cornell goal, it was a PA recording of "Free Bird." After each Richmond goal, it was a PA recording of a rap song. Richmond had a band there, I think. I couldn't tell if Cornell did, and I left right when the game ended, so I couldn't tell who was playing "Davy" after the game ended.
I don't get it about "Free Bird." OK, so the band's not allowed to play after the team scores. And I suppose they can't find a recording of "Davy" for the PA system. But in the NYC metro area no less, why can't they play "Give My Regards to Broadway" for krise sake?
Exactly. I'm slowly trying to get to the bottom of all this, but I'm liking nothing I'm hearing on the way down.
Can't put a price on first-class research.
I'd love to see (hear) someone do a Post report. It seemed like half of Richmond's goals were hitting the post and in.
The goalie is not supposed to save those.
A silly mm off and those bounce out.
So I don't think the save percentage was as bad as people were saying.
Quote from: Jim HylaI'd love to see (hear) someone do a Post report. It seemed like half of Richmond's goals were hitting the post and in.
The goalie is not supposed to save those.
A silly mm off and those bounce out.
So I don't think the save percentage was as bad as people were saying.
Not a good day but it happens. I just hope it doesn't happen again next weekend.
Any shot that is on goal is a shot that a goaltender will tell you that s/he should save. I have one in my family, so I know the good ones don't make excuses for the shots that get by them.
Quote from: Jim HylaI'd love to see (hear) someone do a Post report. It seemed like half of Richmond's goals were hitting the post and in.
The goalie is not supposed to save those.
A silly mm off and those bounce out.
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This isn't really true. A guy can shoot from 30 yards out and even if it goes in off the post, it should have been be stopped. Or, like we saw, a guy can shoot from a horrible angle off the post and in and that too should have been saved.
Quote from: mike1960Edit: We also have the greatest college lacrosse player in the galaxy.
Jesus Kirst Superstar begins playing in the background.
I am curious which of the goals people think Knust should have stopped. Very few of the goals looked soft to me. Richmond placed their shots super well. I see no reason to believe Knust won't have a bounce-back game.
Cornell solidly outplayed Richmond. We almost lost due to bad puck luck but we I believe win that game at least 8 times out of 10, adjusting for luck.
I don't get the people saying Richmond was a particularly scary opponent. I mean, they're a very good team, but not scarier than just about any other team in the final 8. Penn State looks tougher on paper.
Must be difficult for the coaches to know what to do if Bozzi and Box aren't 100%. Tough to feel these things out in the game itself when every possession matters.
That game was about as close to an analogy as you can get in lax to the Cornell-MSU matchup in hockey. A clear favorite with the best player in the country vs a defensive roadblock built to upset superior offensive juggernauts. It felt the playing surface was clearly tilted in one direction, yet there we were, trailing every quarter, and then finding ourselves in the last minute facing a situation where one execution/defensive lapse could cause disaster.
That aside, I was nervous because how many teams can say they held a 5 goal lead against Cornell this year? The potential was clear.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaI'd love to see (hear) someone do a Post report. It seemed like half of Richmond's goals were hitting the post and in.
The goalie is not supposed to save those.
A silly mm off and those bounce out.
.
This isn't really true. A guy can shoot from 30 yards out and even if it goes in off the post, it should have been be stopped. Or, like we saw, a guy can shoot from a horrible angle off the post and in and that too should have been saved.
So basically you're saying that every shot should be stopped.
Then the logical extension of that is every goal against is the goalies fault.
I just don't buy that.
In lacrosse and hockey a very well placed shot goes in. If it's stopped, we bow to the goalie.
The goalie can't physically cover 100% of the goal 100% of the time. You just can't do that.
You play your angles and your percentages. If the shooter is able to pick that small spot that you can't cover, then it's a great shot.
You forget about it. Go on to the next play, realizing that if you play things correctly, you'll save X% of the shots.
But you can't save all of them.
And not everything is your fault.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaI'd love to see (hear) someone do a Post report. It seemed like half of Richmond's goals were hitting the post and in.
The goalie is not supposed to save those.
A silly mm off and those bounce out.
.
This isn't really true. A guy can shoot from 30 yards out and even if it goes in off the post, it should have been be stopped. Or, like we saw, a guy can shoot from a horrible angle off the post and in and that too should have been saved.
So basically you're saying that every shot should be stopped.
Then the logical extension of that is every goal against is the goalies fault.
I just don't buy that.
In lacrosse and hockey a very well placed shot goes in. If it's stopped, we bow to the goalie.
The goalie can't physically cover 100% of the goal 100% of the time. You just can't do that.
You play your angles and your percentages. If the shooter is able to pick that small spot that you can't cover, then it's a great shot.
You forget about it. Go on to the next play, realizing that if you play things correctly, you'll save X% of the shots.
But you can't save all of them.
And not everything is your fault.
"It's all your fault"
Here's my opinion. To start, almost every time someone scores in lacrosse, it has very thin margins. The goal is so small that the shots have to be really well placed so the argument that a bunch of their shots dotted corners or went in off posts does nothing for me, this happens in every single game. You're not gonna get hit in the chest much as a goalie so you have to make some saves. Next, pretty much all of Richmond's shots were from outside which is ideal for Knust. By contrast, Cornell had 6 or 7 shots right on the doorstep and the Richmond goalie still ended with a much better save percentage. It's not that there are a couple of shots that he definitely should have saved (but if you really want me to name one I recall him getting beat low short side on a bad angle) but that he just didn't make many saves. If you face 20 shots with an expected save percentage of 45%, there's no one shot that you should stop, but you sure as hell better save a good chunk of them still. That's pretty much how I feel about Knust's last game.
I like Knust, he's been great all season and I don't want to be the guy reiterating how he had a shit game three days later but it's pretty ridiculous to say that saving 28 percent on all outside shots isn't bad. He had a bad game and that's okay but I'm not sure why some of you feel the need to defend him so aggressively.
Quote from: chimpfoodI like Knust, he's been great all season and I don't want to be the guy reiterating how he had a shit game three days later but it's pretty ridiculous to say that saving 28 percent on all outside shots isn't bad. He had a bad game and that's okay but I'm not sure why some of you feel the need to defend him so aggressively.
Not to mention some shots are made before the release - if the attack takes you out with a head fake, or tic tac toe passing gets you out of position, that's not unreasonable; you aren't going to make the save. If the ball squeezes into a ball-width gap between your basket and the post, you probably should have.
Quote from: chimpfoodHere's my opinion. To start, almost every time someone scores in lacrosse, it has very thin margins. The goal is so small that the shots have to be really well placed so the argument that a bunch of their shots dotted corners or went in off posts does nothing for me, this happens in every single game. You're not gonna get hit in the chest much as a goalie so you have to make some saves. Next, pretty much all of Richmond's shots were from outside which is ideal for Knust. By contrast, Cornell had 6 or 7 shots right on the doorstep and the Richmond goalie still ended with a much better save percentage. It's not that there are a couple of shots that he definitely should have saved (but if you really want me to name one I recall him getting beat low short side on a bad angle) but that he just didn't make many saves. If you face 20 shots with an expected save percentage of 45%, there's no one shot that you should stop, but you sure as hell better save a good chunk of them still. That's pretty much how I feel about Knust's last game.
I like Knust, he's been great all season and I don't want to be the guy reiterating how he had a shit game three days later but it's pretty ridiculous to say that saving 28 percent on all outside shots isn't bad. He had a bad game and that's okay but I'm not sure why some of you feel the need to defend him so aggressively.
I totally agree with your premise for evaluating goalies. But in practice I don't think many shots were from outside (certainly not far outside) and none looked easy to stop. A lot were from tough angles but this isn't hockey where the goalie takes up enough of the net to totally cut off a bad angle. So I don't think the expected save % on pretty much any of these shots was high at all. Understood that a goalie should stop a 70% shot 30% of the time but I think you're understating how difficult a lot of the shots were to stop.
Quote from: ERQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaI'd love to see (hear) someone do a Post report. It seemed like half of Richmond's goals were hitting the post and in.
The goalie is not supposed to save those.
A silly mm off and those bounce out.
.
This isn't really true. A guy can shoot from 30 yards out and even if it goes in off the post, it should have been be stopped. Or, like we saw, a guy can shoot from a horrible angle off the post and in and that too should have been saved.
So basically you're saying that every shot should be stopped.
Then the logical extension of that is every goal against is the goalies fault.
I just don't buy that.
In lacrosse and hockey a very well placed shot goes in. If it's stopped, we bow to the goalie.
The goalie can't physically cover 100% of the goal 100% of the time. You just can't do that.
You play your angles and your percentages. If the shooter is able to pick that small spot that you can't cover, then it's a great shot.
You forget about it. Go on to the next play, realizing that if you play things correctly, you'll save X% of the shots.
But you can't save all of them.
And not everything is your fault.
"It's all your fault"
It's all your fault, it's all your fault!
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaI'd love to see (hear) someone do a Post report. It seemed like half of Richmond's goals were hitting the post and in.
The goalie is not supposed to save those.
A silly mm off and those bounce out.
.
This isn't really true. A guy can shoot from 30 yards out and even if it goes in off the post, it should have been be stopped. Or, like we saw, a guy can shoot from a horrible angle off the post and in and that too should have been saved.
So basically you're saying that every shot should be stopped.
Then the logical extension of that is every goal against is the goalies fault.
I just don't buy that.
In lacrosse and hockey a very well placed shot goes in. If it's stopped, we bow to the goalie.
The goalie can't physically cover 100% of the goal 100% of the time. You just can't do that.
You play your angles and your percentages. If the shooter is able to pick that small spot that you can't cover, then it's a great shot.
You forget about it. Go on to the next play, realizing that if you play things correctly, you'll save X% of the shots.
But you can't save all of them.
And not everything is your fault.
No, I didn't say that at all. I said that just because a shot hits the post and goes in doesn't mean in and of itself that the goalie isn't supposed to save it. For example, it could have been shot from the other end of the field and if nobody bothers to stop it, bounced off the post and gone in.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: ERQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaI'd love to see (hear) someone do a Post report. It seemed like half of Richmond's goals were hitting the post and in.
The goalie is not supposed to save those.
A silly mm off and those bounce out.
.
This isn't really true. A guy can shoot from 30 yards out and even if it goes in off the post, it should have been be stopped. Or, like we saw, a guy can shoot from a horrible angle off the post and in and that too should have been saved.
So basically you're saying that every shot should be stopped.
Then the logical extension of that is every goal against is the goalies fault.
I just don't buy that.
In lacrosse and hockey a very well placed shot goes in. If it's stopped, we bow to the goalie.
The goalie can't physically cover 100% of the goal 100% of the time. You just can't do that.
You play your angles and your percentages. If the shooter is able to pick that small spot that you can't cover, then it's a great shot.
You forget about it. Go on to the next play, realizing that if you play things correctly, you'll save X% of the shots.
But you can't save all of them.
And not everything is your fault.
"It's all your fault"
It's all your fault, it's all your fault!
This is fabulous.::cheer:: Let's adopt this as a new (and original) chant for lacrosse this weekend. And hockey in the fall.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: stereaxIt's all your fault, it's all your fault!
This is fabulous.::cheer:: Let's adopt this as a new (and original) chant for lacrosse this weekend. And hockey in the fall.
We could even have the band play Davy beforehand! It'll be a hoot!
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TimVQuote from: stereaxIt's all your fault, it's all your fault!
This is fabulous.::cheer:: Let's adopt this as a new (and original) chant for lacrosse this weekend. And hockey in the fall.
We could even have the band play Davy beforehand! It'll be a hoot!
Oops. Wrong quote. Was looking for "NOT all your fault..."::blush::