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6-3 Cornell with 1:43 to play in 1st Q.
Now in weather delay due to Lightning in the area.
Cornell with 6 different goal scorers
Knust with 6 saves
Yale with 7/10 face off advantage
Cornell +3 in turnover battle

#LGR

Had to work for a living. What did I miss?

Quote from: MattShaf6-3 Cornell with 1:43 to play in 1st Q.
Now in weather delay due to Lightning in the area.
Cornell with 6 different goal scorers
Knust with 6 saves
Yale with 7/10 face off advantage
Cornell +3 in turnover battle

#LGR

Cascadden won the first three, then seven for Yale.

D has to get on Yale shooters

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Four goals at the top. Two when the Yale ballcarrier simply runs across the top, one a step down, and now an unsettled goal. That's a soft spot for our defense right now.

Ryan Goldstein down. Looked like his knee.

Potentially devastating.

Quote from: mike1960Ryan Goldstein down. Looked like his knee.

Potentially devastating.

This didn't age well

Quote from: mike1960Ryan Goldstein down. Looked like his knee.

Potentially devastating.

Edit: Must have not been too bad. He scored right away on the doorstep.

Edit: And again!

Edit: And then a perfect feed to Firth at the doorstep!

Too many defensive mistakes.

Reeder decided to play football, not lacrosse.

Yale will start the third man up.

12-9 Cornell at the half.

Unnecessary roughness on Reeder just before the half. I don't recall if he's played at all this year.

Quote from: jjanow99Unnecessary roughness on Reeder just before the half. I don't recall if he's played at all this year.

why didn't yale try to score there? even if it's releasable, idgi.

12-9 Cornell end of 1st half.
Yale will start the 2nd half with 50 seconds on man-up.
Leading scorers for Big Red: Goldstein - 3G, Kirst - 2G, Firth - 2G
Knust with 11 save, .553 Save %
Yale with slight advantage on face-offs 12 of 23. GBs +1 Cornell, 20 of 39
Cornell +3 on turnovers (Yale 7, CU 4). Ride has been excellent!

Will need a stronger defense performance in 2nd half. Offense keep churning.
#LGR

Quote from: jjanow99Unnecessary roughness on Reeder just before the half. I don't recall if he's played at all this year.

If they don't possess the ball at the end of the half, there would have been a face-off to start the 3rd Q.
Holding the ball ensures possession.

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Quote from: jjanow99Unnecessary roughness on Reeder just before the half. I don't recall if he's played at all this year.

why didn't yale try to score there? even if it's releasable, idgi.

No faceoff to start the 3rd, Ysle starts with the ball.

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Quote from: jjanow99Unnecessary roughness on Reeder just before the half. I don't recall if he's played at all this year.

If they don't possess the ball at the end of the half, there would have been a face-off to start the 3rd Q.
Holding the ball ensures possession.

does that include if they back up a shot? i assume so.

Army loses to Colgate in the Patriot League Tourney.  Wow.

Rayhill is not having a good game on D.

Big Hugh is trying to do too much.  Move the ball.

Arrgh! Another weather delay

17-12 Big Red with 1 minute to play in the 3rd and we are in a second weather delay.
Yale with the first 2 goals of the 3rd followed by a 5 goal Cornell run.

Weather delay, 1:00 left in the third.

Good guys ahead, 17-12

Let's hope we come out of the rain delay with a little more fire than last time.

Coach is going to the zone defense. When we're in man-to-man, Yale is working hard to get the short stick matchups for a reason.

Hat's off to whoever realized the host team should play in the first game, NOT the second. Would suck to be Princeton Harvard right now.

Quote from: mike1960When we're in man-to-man, Yale is working hard to get the short stick matchups for a reason.

The reason being that two of our top SSDMs, Box and Bozzi, are not playing. Box has not appeared, and Bozzi had some shifts at the start but then stopped. Neither played against Dartmouth.

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Quote from: mike1960When we're in man-to-man, Yale is working hard to get the short stick matchups for a reason.

The reason being that two of our top SSDMs, Box and Bozzi, are not playing. Box has not appeared, and Bozzi had some shifts at the start but then stopped. Neither played against Dartmouth.

Excellent comment. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Quote from: mike1960When we're in man-to-man, Yale is working hard to get the short stick matchups for a reason.

The reason being that two of our top SSDMs, Box and Bozzi, are not playing. Box has not appeared, and Bozzi had some shifts at the start but then stopped. Neither played against Dartmouth.

Yeah, the reason I was thinking is that we're getting beat.

Edit: But I want to add, SSDM is a difficult and usually thankless position to play. You only get noticed by couch potatoes (like me) when your man scores.

I'm surprised Yale is not posting a shooter in the center of the zone.

We are back, 17-12 end of 3rd quarter.

How beautiful was that EMO goal?

Quote from: mike1960I'm surprised Yale is not posting a shooter in the center of the zone.

The best way to beat a zone is usually place 2 in the crease. Pulls in the far side defender. Attack Bow tie/pick  off each other.

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Quote from: mike1960I'm surprised Yale is not posting a shooter in the center of the zone.

The best way to beat a zone is usually place 2 in the crease. Pulls in the far side defender. Attack Bow tie/pick  off each other.

At least one. Throwing the ball in puts tremendous stress on the defense and opens up shooters.

What a lacrosse player.

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Quote from: mike1960When we're in man-to-man, Yale is working hard to get the short stick matchups for a reason.

The reason being that two of our top SSDMs, Box and Bozzi, are not playing. Box has not appeared, and Bozzi had some shifts at the start but then stopped. Neither played against Dartmouth.

Yeah, the reason I was thinking is that we're getting beat.

Edit: But I want to add, SSDM is a difficult and usually thankless position to play. You only get noticed by couch potatoes (like me) when your man scores.

The hardest position, IMHO. Unless you cause a turnover or cause your opponent to make a pass to safety, you can only fail. Furthermore, you're mainly reacting to what the man you're guarding does.

21-14 Cornell. Final Score
Goldstein 5G, 3A; Long 4G, 4A; Kirst 3G, 6A. Big night for the attack trio.
Knust 15 saves. 52%
Cornell Faceoff crew wins 22 of 38. 11 of 15 in 2nd half
Cornell picks up 39 GBs and is +3 in turnover battle.

Once again, opponents get close to Cornell in 2nd half and Cornell goes on run to pull away. (Big Red score 8 of 9 goals from 11minute mark of the 3rd until 6:54 left in the 4th).

Princeton Harvard up next. Starting at 9p.

Syracuse beats ND 14-11 and with Army loss, probably lock up the last at-large bid.

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Quote from: mike1960When we're in man-to-man, Yale is working hard to get the short stick matchups for a reason.

The reason being that two of our top SSDMs, Box and Bozzi, are not playing. Box has not appeared, and Bozzi had some shifts at the start but then stopped. Neither played against Dartmouth.

Yeah, the reason I was thinking is that we're getting beat.

Edit: But I want to add, SSDM is a difficult and usually thankless position to play. You only get noticed by couch potatoes (like me) when your man scores.

They had rayhill getting some SSDM shifts, he's usually an LSM

I really hope the missing D are able to return. The defense is our biggest weakness right now. Though we are up to #1 in the computer rankings now, just based on talent and how they've played this season I think there are 5 or 6 teams we could very easily lose to. I don't think our attack is going to be enough.

Quote from: BearLoverI think there are 5 or 6 teams we could very easily lose to.

...except you could say the same thing about every other team in the tournament. There are no super teams this year. I, too, worry about the defense, but I try not to let that distract me from the enjoyment of watching the offense hum.

The field is wide open this year. Cornell has as good a chance as any other team, and a better chance than most of them. That's all you can ask as a fan.

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Quote from: BearLoverI think there are 5 or 6 teams we could very easily lose to.

...except you could say the same thing about every other team in the tournament. There are no super teams this year. I, too, worry about the defense, but I try not to let that distract me from the enjoyment of watching the offense him.

The field is wide open this year. Cornell has as good a chance as any other team, and a better chance than most of them. That's all you can ask as a fan.

I agree. But we've been #1 in the country for like 8 straight weeks so it would be nice to be a clear favorite, rather than on the same level as six or so other teams. Or at least alone at the top with just Maryland. If our defense is healthy we can get there, but right now we are too reliant on our offense scoring 15+ goals.

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Quote from: mike1960When we're in man-to-man, Yale is working hard to get the short stick matchups for a reason.

The reason being that two of our top SSDMs, Box and Bozzi, are not playing. Box has not appeared, and Bozzi had some shifts at the start but then stopped. Neither played against Dartmouth.

I went back and watched highlights of the goals and Bozzi did not appear to be on the field for any of them. So seems he barely played at all.

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Quote from: BearLoverI think there are 5 or 6 teams we could very easily lose to.

...except you could say the same thing about every other team in the tournament. There are no super teams this year. I, too, worry about the defense, but I try not to let that distract me from the enjoyment of watching the offense him.

The field is wide open this year. Cornell has as good a chance as any other team, and a better chance than most of them. That's all you can ask as a fan.

I agree. But we've been #1 in the country for like 8 straight weeks so it would be nice to be a clear favorite, rather than on the same level as six or so other teams. Or at least alone at the top with just Maryland. If our defense is healthy we can get there, but right now we are too reliant on our offense scoring 15+ goals.

Learn to enjoy the life you have, rather than constantly wishing it was better.

Good coaches assess what they have, emphasize the positives and work to minimize the negatives.

But never do they fixate on the negatives; that's a sure way to end up losing.

Fans should do the same thing, they'd be a lot happier if they did.

That's exactly what the broadcast crew did last night. They kept pointing out how good was our offense and showing why the extreme variety of the offense made it so good.  Yes at appropriate times they remarked upon defensive weaknesses, but they also said how much fun it was to watch Cornell.

I got worried each time it looked like Yale was coming back. But I doubt the team was worried. I don't think the offensive talent spent any time complaining about the defense. They knew that they had the talent to recover and went out to do that.

That strategy in life makes each day more enjoyable. (At least for me it does.)

I prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

The broadcasters remarked that we were a deep team and run a number of defensive lines. That manpower and conditioning advantage is huge. And, dare I remark upon it on any eLynah forum, the coaches are likely assisting in making adjustments. Even when our offense takes the foot off the pedal a bit and the opposing offense is pushing, we are able to minimize mistakes as the game goes on.

I like it when we're the best conditioned team on the field. A lot. There's no Adler on D this year, but defense doesn't need stars, no matter how much they help. And in Knust I trust.

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Quote from: BearLoverI think there are 5 or 6 teams we could very easily lose to.

...except you could say the same thing about every other team in the tournament. There are no super teams this year. I, too, worry about the defense, but I try not to let that distract me from the enjoyment of watching the offense him.

The field is wide open this year. Cornell has as good a chance as any other team, and a better chance than most of them. That's all you can ask as a fan.

I agree. But we've been #1 in the country for like 8 straight weeks so it would be nice to be a clear favorite, rather than on the same level as six or so other teams. Or at least alone at the top with just Maryland. If our defense is healthy we can get there, but right now we are too reliant on our offense scoring 15+ goals.

Learn to enjoy the life you have, rather than constantly wishing it was better.

Good coaches assess what they have, emphasize the positives and work to minimize the negatives.

But never do they fixate on the negatives; that's a sure way to end up losing.

Fans should do the same thing, they'd be a lot happier if they did.

That's exactly what the broadcast crew did last night. They kept pointing out how good was our offense and showing why the extreme variety of the offense made it so good.  Yes at appropriate times they remarked upon defensive weaknesses, but they also said how much fun it was to watch Cornell.

I got worried each time it looked like Yale was coming back. But I doubt the team was worried. I don't think the offensive talent spent any time complaining about the defense. They knew that they had the talent to recover and went out to do that.

That strategy in life makes each day more enjoyable. (At least for me it does.)

We play beautiful offensive lacrosse. It indeed has been a joy to watch. Whatever else happens this season, that will be at or near the top of my memories of this amazing team.

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Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

The broadcasters remarked that we were a deep team and run a number of defensive lines. That manpower and conditioning advantage is huge. And, dare I remark upon it on any eLynah forum, the coaches are likely assisting in making adjustments. Even when our offense takes the foot off the pedal a bit and the opposing offense is pushing, we are able to minimize mistakes as the game goes on.

I like it when we're the best conditioned team on the field. A lot. There's no Adler on D this year, but defense doesn't need stars, no matter how much they help. And in Knust I trust.

The first half is clearly the shakiest for our defense.  HOWEVER, the coaching staff does an amazing job making halftime adjustments, as these numbers show.  I would also argue that these stats probably underestimate our defensive performance in the second half, when we have a formidable lead, the game is already way out of hand, subs are coming in, and the focus is on minimizing injury risks versus an additional goal or two.

If we score 14 or 15 goals, chances our we will win.  The most goals we have given up all season is 14 goals, to the same team (Yale),

Sunday vs. Princeton should be fun.  When was the last time that a conference tournament (any tournament, not necessarily Ivy) was basically a potential preview of a national title game, with the two top teams in the national rankings facing one another?

Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

It makes more sense to look at both halves because both halves count the same. Cornell's defense has been pretty good this year, and Knust has been solid. In the last few games though, particularly against Harvard and Yale, we've had a lot of lapses. Maybe due to injury. Seems we let a lot of opposing attackmen dodge freely into the slot area (to use a hockey term).

Our offense seems to have a tougher time in sloppy weather... is anyone worried about the rain tomorrow? Similarly will it hinder Princeton's style of game as much?

Quote from: KenPIs anyone worried about the rain tomorrow? Our offense seems to have a tougher time in sloppy weather?  Similarly will it hinder Princeton's game?

Yes.

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Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

It makes more sense to look at both halves because both halves count the same. Cornell's defense has been pretty good this year, and Knust has been solid. In the last few games though, particularly against Harvard and Yale, we've had a lot of lapses. Maybe due to injury. Seems we let a lot of opposing attackmen dodge freely into the slot area (to use a hockey term).

Two additional points:

• Our FOGOs seems to be better as the game goes on. I'd like to see statistics on FOGO wins by half
• Similarly, I have the sense that when we're leading by >= 3 goals in the second half, it's not so much that we're taking our foot off the pedal as it is that we're deliberately looking for the best shot even (or especially) if it goes far into the shot clock.

In otherwords our impressive defensive performance in second halves may be due to a more rested defense augmented by greater reliance on our better defensive players getting more playing time, combined with our offensive performance and strategy, which relieves pressure on our defense while tiring out our opponent's D.

BL's point about injury is a good one. Without knowing the specifics of the injuries, we just have to hope the injured SSDMs heal by May 17 (when we might expect to begin facing other seeded teams). In the meantime, their substitutes will be getting valuable experience.

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Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

It makes more sense to look at both halves because both halves count the same. Cornell's defense has been pretty good this year, and Knust has been solid. In the last few games though, particularly against Harvard and Yale, we've had a lot of lapses. Maybe due to injury. Seems we let a lot of opposing attackmen dodge freely into the slot area (to use a hockey term).

Two additional points:

• Our FOGOs seems to be better as the game goes on. I'd like to see statistics on FOGO wins by half
• Similarly, I have the sense that when we're leading by >= 3 goals in the second half, it's not so much that we're taking our foot off the pedal as it is that we're deliberately looking for the best shot even (or especially) if it goes far into the shot clock.

In otherwords our impressive defensive performance in second halves may be due to a more rested defense augmented by greater reliance on our better defensive players getting more playing time, combined with our offensive performance and strategy, which relieves pressure on our defense while tiring out our opponent's D.

BL's point about injury is a good one. Without knowing the specifics of the injuries, we just have to hope the injured SSDMs heal by May 17 (when we might expect to begin facing other seeded teams). In the meantime, their substitutes will be getting valuable experience.

Agree that both halves count the same, but the break between halves gives the coaching staff the opportunity to make offensive and defensive adjustments, and I feel like they excel at these adjustments. This was another game where that happened.  We were outscored 9-8 in the first half, but outscored Princeton 12 to 6 in the second half.

The 15 goals we gave up today is a season high (previous was 14, twice).  But the 20 goals we scored against Princeton is by far the most goals they have given up all season (previous was 14 against Duke, in a game they won.)

If we score 16 goals in a game, chances are extremely high that we win.  And that would technically be below our per game average of 16.21, which will increase marginally after today's game.

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Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

It makes more sense to look at both halves because both halves count the same. Cornell's defense has been pretty good this year, and Knust has been solid. In the last few games though, particularly against Harvard and Yale, we've had a lot of lapses. Maybe due to injury. Seems we let a lot of opposing attackmen dodge freely into the slot area (to use a hockey term).

Two additional points:

• Our FOGOs seems to be better as the game goes on. I'd like to see statistics on FOGO wins by half
• Similarly, I have the sense that when we're leading by >= 3 goals in the second half, it's not so much that we're taking our foot off the pedal as it is that we're deliberately looking for the best shot even (or especially) if it goes far into the shot clock.

In otherwords our impressive defensive performance in second halves may be due to a more rested defense augmented by greater reliance on our better defensive players getting more playing time, combined with our offensive performance and strategy, which relieves pressure on our defense while tiring out our opponent's D.

BL's point about injury is a good one. Without knowing the specifics of the injuries, we just have to hope the injured SSDMs heal by May 17 (when we might expect to begin facing other seeded teams). In the meantime, their substitutes will be getting valuable experience.

Agree that both halves count the same, but the break between halves gives the coaching staff the opportunity to make offensive and defensive adjustments, and I feel like they excel at these adjustments. This was another game where that happened.  We were outscored 9-8 in the first half, but outscored Princeton 12 to 6 in the second half.

The 15 goals we gave up today is a season high (previous was 14, twice).  But the 20 goals we scored against Princeton is by far the most goals they have given up all season (previous was 14 against Duke, in a game they won.)

If we score 16 goals in a game, chances are extremely high that we win.  And that would technically be below our per game average of 16.21, which will increase marginally after today's game.

In the MLB, if you show you have trouble hitting the sweeper, you're going to see a million of them.

Our weakness is our on-ball defense, especially with our SSDMs. Look for every team to attack us there for the next four games, should we be fortunate to play that many.

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Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

It makes more sense to look at both halves because both halves count the same. Cornell's defense has been pretty good this year, and Knust has been solid. In the last few games though, particularly against Harvard and Yale, we've had a lot of lapses. Maybe due to injury. Seems we let a lot of opposing attackmen dodge freely into the slot area (to use a hockey term).

Two additional points:

• Our FOGOs seems to be better as the game goes on. I'd like to see statistics on FOGO wins by half
• Similarly, I have the sense that when we're leading by >= 3 goals in the second half, it's not so much that we're taking our foot off the pedal as it is that we're deliberately looking for the best shot even (or especially) if it goes far into the shot clock.

In otherwords our impressive defensive performance in second halves may be due to a more rested defense augmented by greater reliance on our better defensive players getting more playing time, combined with our offensive performance and strategy, which relieves pressure on our defense while tiring out our opponent's D.

BL's point about injury is a good one. Without knowing the specifics of the injuries, we just have to hope the injured SSDMs heal by May 17 (when we might expect to begin facing other seeded teams). In the meantime, their substitutes will be getting valuable experience.

Agree that both halves count the same, but the break between halves gives the coaching staff the opportunity to make offensive and defensive adjustments, and I feel like they excel at these adjustments. This was another game where that happened.  We were outscored 9-8 in the first half, but outscored Princeton 12 to 6 in the second half.

The 15 goals we gave up today is a season high (previous was 14, twice).  But the 20 goals we scored against Princeton is by far the most goals they have given up all season (previous was 14 against Duke, in a game they won.)

If we score 16 goals in a game, chances are extremely high that we win.  And that would technically be below our per game average of 16.21, which will increase marginally after today's game.

In the MLB, if you show you have trouble hitting the sweeper, you're going to see a million of them.

Our weakness is our on-ball defense, especially with our SSDMs. Look for every team to attack us there for the next four games, should we be fortunate to play that many.

Missing Box and Bozzi changes our defensive dynamic. Hopefully they are able to make it back for the NCAA's.

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Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

It makes more sense to look at both halves because both halves count the same. Cornell's defense has been pretty good this year, and Knust has been solid. In the last few games though, particularly against Harvard and Yale, we've had a lot of lapses. Maybe due to injury. Seems we let a lot of opposing attackmen dodge freely into the slot area (to use a hockey term).

Two additional points:

• Our FOGOs seems to be better as the game goes on. I'd like to see statistics on FOGO wins by half
• Similarly, I have the sense that when we're leading by >= 3 goals in the second half, it's not so much that we're taking our foot off the pedal as it is that we're deliberately looking for the best shot even (or especially) if it goes far into the shot clock.

In otherwords our impressive defensive performance in second halves may be due to a more rested defense augmented by greater reliance on our better defensive players getting more playing time, combined with our offensive performance and strategy, which relieves pressure on our defense while tiring out our opponent's D.

BL's point about injury is a good one. Without knowing the specifics of the injuries, we just have to hope the injured SSDMs heal by May 17 (when we might expect to begin facing other seeded teams). In the meantime, their substitutes will be getting valuable experience.

Agree that both halves count the same, but the break between halves gives the coaching staff the opportunity to make offensive and defensive adjustments, and I feel like they excel at these adjustments. This was another game where that happened.  We were outscored 9-8 in the first half, but outscored Princeton 12 to 6 in the second half.

The 15 goals we gave up today is a season high (previous was 14, twice).  But the 20 goals we scored against Princeton is by far the most goals they have given up all season (previous was 14 against Duke, in a game they won.)

If we score 16 goals in a game, chances are extremely high that we win.  And that would technically be below our per game average of 16.21, which will increase marginally after today's game.

In the MLB, if you show you have trouble hitting the sweeper, you're going to see a million of them.

Our weakness is our on-ball defense, especially with our SSDMs. Look for every team to attack us there for the next four games, should we be fortunate to play that many.

But they're liable to be surprised if & when Box and Bozzi come back.

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Quote from: upprdeckI prefer to look at the D for what they are.

They make mistakes

But they held Yale to 5 in the 2nd half
Dart to 3
Harv to 4
SU to 1 in the 4th
Brown to 3
Penn to 4
Princ to 4
PSU to 4 until the epic penalty drive last 3+ min
Rich to 3
Hobart to 2
Denver to 4
Lehigh to 5

Only yale the first game scored more than 5 and that was mostly the game was out of hand at that point

if we continue to hold teams to 5 or less in the 2nd half our offense can win the game

It makes more sense to look at both halves because both halves count the same. Cornell's defense has been pretty good this year, and Knust has been solid. In the last few games though, particularly against Harvard and Yale, we've had a lot of lapses. Maybe due to injury. Seems we let a lot of opposing attackmen dodge freely into the slot area (to use a hockey term).

Two additional points:

• Our FOGOs seems to be better as the game goes on. I'd like to see statistics on FOGO wins by half
• Similarly, I have the sense that when we're leading by >= 3 goals in the second half, it's not so much that we're taking our foot off the pedal as it is that we're deliberately looking for the best shot even (or especially) if it goes far into the shot clock.

In otherwords our impressive defensive performance in second halves may be due to a more rested defense augmented by greater reliance on our better defensive players getting more playing time, combined with our offensive performance and strategy, which relieves pressure on our defense while tiring out our opponent's D.

BL's point about injury is a good one. Without knowing the specifics of the injuries, we just have to hope the injured SSDMs heal by May 17 (when we might expect to begin facing other seeded teams). In the meantime, their substitutes will be getting valuable experience.

Agree that both halves count the same, but the break between halves gives the coaching staff the opportunity to make offensive and defensive adjustments, and I feel like they excel at these adjustments. This was another game where that happened.  We were outscored 9-8 in the first half, but outscored Princeton 12 to 6 in the second half.

The 15 goals we gave up today is a season high (previous was 14, twice).  But the 20 goals we scored against Princeton is by far the most goals they have given up all season (previous was 14 against Duke, in a game they won.)

If we score 16 goals in a game, chances are extremely high that we win.  And that would technically be below our per game average of 16.21, which will increase marginally after today's game.

In the MLB, if you show you have trouble hitting the sweeper, you're going to see a million of them.

Our weakness is our on-ball defense, especially with our SSDMs. Look for every team to attack us there for the next four games, should we be fortunate to play that many.

But they're liable to be surprised if & when Box and Bozzi come back.

That would be huge if they can come back 95 - 100%.

Quote from: KenPOur offense seems to have a tougher time in sloppy weather... is anyone worried about the rain tomorrow? Similarly will it hinder Princeton's style of game as much?

20 goals performance in Ivy League Finals, not too shabby.
We also rocked Syracuse for 17 in what was wet weather and terrible field conditions.

Does anyone know the status of Box and Bozzi? I think we are going to need them.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to look at goals scored/goals allowed without the context of saves and faceoffs. I'm not sure Cornell's D was that much better in the second half than the first; we just got more saves and won more faceoffs, so Princeton's offense didn't get as many chances.

This team shows amazing poise in close games.

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It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to look at goals scored/goals allowed without the context of saves and faceoffs. I'm not sure Cornell's D was that much better in the second half than the first; we just got more saves and won more faceoffs, so Princeton's offense didn't get as many chances.

This team shows amazing poise in close games.

Jesus, BearLover, do you ever enjoy anything?

Yup we got some saves.  At one point we had lost a bunch of Faceoffs in a row to start the 3rd

We also caused some turnovers and clock violations,


we made 8 saves in the 1st and 7 in the 2nd
we have 5 TOs in the 1st and 8 in the 2nd
faceoffs we were 50/50 in the 2nd half

Prin had less shots and made less saves in the 2nd half.  that was the game

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Quote from: BearLoverDoes anyone know the status of Box and Bozzi? I think we are going to need them.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to look at goals scored/goals allowed without the context of saves and faceoffs. I'm not sure Cornell's D was that much better in the second half than the first; we just got more saves and won more faceoffs, so Princeton's offense didn't get as many chances.

This team shows amazing poise in close games.

Jesus, BearLover, do you ever enjoy anything?

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Quote from: upprdeckYup we got some saves.  At one point we had lost a bunch of Faceoffs in a row to start the 3rd

We also caused some turnovers and clock violations,


we made 8 saves in the 1st and 7 in the 2nd
we have 5 TOs in the 1st and 8 in the 2nd
faceoffs we were 50/50 in the 2nd half

Prin had less shots and made less saves in the 2nd half.  that was the game

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Quote from: BearLoverDoes anyone know the status of Box and Bozzi? I think we are going to need them.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to look at goals scored/goals allowed without the context of saves and faceoffs. I'm not sure Cornell's D was that much better in the second half than the first; we just got more saves and won more faceoffs, so Princeton's offense didn't get as many chances.

This team shows amazing poise in close games.

i think this is basically right - our defense is good but our real advantage is offensive efficiency, possession and control. i don't think we're losing any of those skills any time soon.

is it better if we get our best defensemen back? sure. but the team is clicking so that's what gets my attention.

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Quote from: upprdeckYup we got some saves.  At one point we had lost a bunch of Faceoffs in a row to start the 3rd

We also caused some turnovers and clock violations,


we made 8 saves in the 1st and 7 in the 2nd
we have 5 TOs in the 1st and 8 in the 2nd
faceoffs we were 50/50 in the 2nd half

Prin had less shots and made less saves in the 2nd half.  that was the game

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I thought "fewer" as well. But one should think twice before correcting grammar in a barroom setting, and this comes close to that.

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The express checkout lanes at Rochester-area Wegmans, specify "10 items or fewer." Maybe they got religion after opening the Ithaca Wegmans? Tops, however, uses "10 or less."