4/20/25: Most recent updates on this msg at top.
The NcAA released its first pass at the top ten teams apparently using the same criteria as picking the 18 teams that make it (there are a pair of play-in games). https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2025-04-19/ncaa-di-mens-lacrosse-committee-reveals-top-10
NCAA D1 Lax C'ttee First Top 10 Ranking (through games weekend of 4/16)
Rank Team Record
1 Cornell 10-1
2 Maryland 10-2
3 Princeton 9-2
4 Penn State 9-3
5 North Carolina 9-2
6 Harvard 9-2
7 Army West Point 10-1
8 Ohio State 11-2
9 Syracuse 9-3
10 Notre Dame 6-3
If this was the tournament bracket ranking Sunday May 4 and if the NCAAs played to form, the final four in Boston could be 1. Cornell vs. 4. Penn State, and 2. Maryland vs. 3. Princeton.
The RPI via LocrosseReference Pro has Cornell third, this after Saturday's (4/19/25) games. https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men?t=epxlwifospeivmd
1. Princeton
2. Maryland
3. Cornell
4. Penn State
5. ND
6. NC
7. Duke
8. Syracuse
9. Ohio State
10. Harvard
...
12. Richmond
19. Yale
21. Dartmouth
26. Denver
28. Lehigh
29. Penn (long drop from ILT winner 2024)
35. Brown
51. Hobart
...
77. (last team) Hampton 0-1
Earlier material:
"Selection Sunday" is May 4. No time announced yet for selection show:
NCAA championship info from the horse's mouth: https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships#:~:text=Selection%20Show%20%7C%20May%204%2C%202025,will%20be%20announced%20May%204.
Earlier material:
Section for discussion of NCAA possibilities, actual selections, and who got screwed. It starts off with this: Early bracketology from Inside Lacrosse. This is the April 4 first edition. See graphic below from IL.
It has Cornell 7th, Princeton 2, Harvard 5 because ... without enough data points, or inferencing from lax gurus, IL falls back to RPI.
Um, #1 ranker Maryland just got took down by 6-6 Rutgers. #3 Notre Dame was beaten by Syracuse, which is considered a wildcard right now.
Per IL, the criteria the NCAA uses:
* Strength-of-schedule index.
* Results of the RPI:
Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+.
Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins).
Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses).
* Head-to-head competition:
Results versus common opponents.
Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
Locations of contests.
Additionally, input is provided by the regional advisory committee for consideration by the Division I Men's Lacrosse Committee. Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used by the committee for selection purposes.
The top eight teams will be seeded and separated in the bracket, the remaining eight teams will be placed geographically. In making bracket assignments, the closest geographical consideration will be used as well as the ability to separate conference opponents during the first round of competition.
The NCAA Men's Division I Championship Committee
Chair, Northeast Region: Matthew Colagiovanni, Rutgers
Northeast Region: Randy Mearns, St. Bonaventure
Southeast Region: Nick Gannon, Drexel
Southeast Region: Kip Turner, Virginia
West Region: Danie Daluisio, Ohio State
Inside Lacrosse April 4 first-pass bracket:
Versus Bracketology 1.0, the Inside Lacrosse first pass at ranking the teams works out like this:
[b]IL Seed 1.0 Coaches Rank Discrepancy[/b]
1. Maryland 6. +5 (5 spots overrated vs. coaches poll)
2. Princeton 3. +1
3. Notre Dame 9. +6
4. N.Carolina 7. +3
5. Harvard 10. +5
6. Penn State 8. +2
[b][color=#CC0000]7. Cornell 1. -6[/color][/b] (6 spots underrated vs. poll)
8. Army 5. -3
4/7 USILA poll
Once again, the northern (New York State) schools get hosed.
This is premature. IL's Terry Foy projected RPIs at the end of the regular season (before conference tournaments) assuming favorites win every game. Princeton ends up #1, Cornell #2.
https://x.com/TerenceFoy/status/1908908862897369293
It's how you get clicks, and eyeballs seeing the ads. Post stuff early, some times too early, sometimes using a formula that may not pass the sniff test. Is Harvard really the fifth best team in the country?
After last year, I'd say the goals are:
1) Get in the tournament.
2) Get a home game.
After that it's all a roll of the dice. Of course I'll be disappointed if Cornell doesn't win the national championship this year, since we may not see this level of talent on a Cornell team again for a very long time. But we are going to have to beat strong teams sometime to get there.
Quote from: djk26After last year, I'd say the goals are:
1) Get in the tournament.
2) Get a home game.
After that it's all a roll of the dice. Of course I'll be disappointed if Cornell doesn't win the national championship this year, since we may not see this level of talent on a Cornell team again for a very long time. But we are going to have to beat strong teams sometime to get there.
While I understand the challenge of winning a quarterfinal game, I feel anything short of final four will ultimately feel like a missed opportunity. That said, not sure I'd agree that we won't see a team like 'this' for a very long time. I'd say this team has the same potential as the 07, 09, 13, 20 (unfortunately), and 22 teams did, and realistically, having a true national championship contender 6 times in the past ~20 years is pretty good!
Quote from: semsoxQuote from: djk26After last year, I'd say the goals are:
1) Get in the tournament.
2) Get a home game.
After that it's all a roll of the dice. Of course I'll be disappointed if Cornell doesn't win the national championship this year, since we may not see this level of talent on a Cornell team again for a very long time. But we are going to have to beat strong teams sometime to get there.
While I understand the challenge of winning a quarterfinal game, I feel anything short of final four will ultimately feel like a missed opportunity. That said, not sure I'd agree that we won't see a team like 'this' for a very long time. I'd say this team has the same potential as the 07, 09, 13, 20 (unfortunately), and 22 teams did, and realistically, having a true national championship contender 6 times in the past ~20 years is pretty good terrific!
We had some other good contenders. And still, no trophy since 1977.
Quote from: billhowardWe had some other good contenders. And still, no trophy since 1977.
This team is clearly good enough to win it all. Unfortunately, that does not guarantee anything.
a hot goalie or faceoff guy changes any one game
Quote from: upprdecka hot goalie or faceoff guy changes any one game
While I agree with this sentiment generally, I feel the construction of this team makes them less susceptible to this outcome. Cascadden's floor is sufficiently high to prevent any truly catastrophic face-off outcomes, and our offense is too good to not put up goals. I feel if we're going to lose, it's either going to be in a shootout or to one of the really deep, complete defensive teams (e.g., Notre Dame, Maryland)
syracuse D has been good all year. Only Harvard and Cornell broke 10 thats a good thing
I tried parsing the Ivy League tiebreaker criteria and I believe that if Harvard beats Cornell and those two teams plus Princeton otherwise win out and end up at 5-1 in the Ivy, the host of the Ivy League tournament will come down to goal differential among the three matchups of these teams.
Princeton has played both Harvard and Cornell and is -3
Harvard has played Princeton and is -2
Cornell has played Princeton and is +5
So, assuming Cornell beats Dartmouth, if they also beat Harvard, they win the Ivy outright. If they lose to Harvard by 4 or more, Cornell may split the title with H/P and Harvard hosts the tourney. If they lose to H by 3 or less, Cornell may split the title with H/P but Cornell still hosts.
I agree with all of the above.
The four ILT teams are already determined to be Cornell, Princeton, Harvard, Yale. Cornell clinches hosting with a win over Harvard.
There are 6 remaining Ivy games. The Brown-Dartmouth game has no impact on ILT seedings. Here are the ILT seedings for the 32 possible outcomes of the other 5 games:
C>H Pr>Pe C>D Pr>Y H>B C Pr H Y
C>H Pr>Pe C>D Pr>Y B>H C Pr H Y
C>H Pr>Pe C>D Y>Pr H>B C *HPrY*
C>H Pr>Pe C>D Y>Pr B>H C Y Pr H
C>H Pr>Pe D>C Pr>Y H>B C Pr H Y
C>H Pr>Pe D>C Pr>Y B>H C Pr H Y
C>H Pr>Pe D>C Y>Pr H>B C *HPrY*
C>H Pr>Pe D>C Y>Pr B>H C Y Pr H
C>H Pe>Pr C>D Pr>Y H>B C Pr H Y
C>H Pe>Pr C>D Pr>Y B>H C Pr H Y
C>H Pe>Pr C>D Y>Pr H>B C H Y Pr
C>H Pe>Pr C>D Y>Pr B>H C Y Pr H
C>H Pe>Pr D>C Pr>Y H>B C Pr H Y
C>H Pe>Pr D>C Pr>Y B>H C Pr H Y
C>H Pe>Pr D>C Y>Pr H>B C H Y Pr
C>H Pe>Pr D>C Y>Pr B>H C Y Pr H
H>C Pr>Pe C>D Pr>Y H>B *CPrH* Y
H>C Pr>Pe C>D Pr>Y B>H C Pr H Y
H>C Pr>Pe C>D Y>Pr H>B H C Y Pr
H>C Pr>Pe C>D Y>Pr B>H C *HPrY*
H>C Pr>Pe D>C Pr>Y H>B Pr H C Y
H>C Pr>Pe D>C Pr>Y B>H Pr H C Y
H>C Pr>Pe D>C Y>Pr H>B H C Y Pr
H>C Pr>Pe D>C Y>Pr B>H H C Y Pr
H>C Pe>Pr C>D Pr>Y H>B H C Pr Y
H>C Pe>Pr C>D Pr>Y B>H C Pr H Y
H>C Pe>Pr C>D Y>Pr H>B H C Y Pr
H>C Pe>Pr C>D Y>Pr B>H C H Y Pr
H>C Pe>Pr D>C Pr>Y H>B H C Pr Y
H>C Pe>Pr D>C Pr>Y B>H *CPrH* Y
H>C Pe>Pr D>C Y>Pr H>B H C Y Pr
H>C Pe>Pr D>C Y>Pr B>H H C Y Pr
C *HPrY*
Y>Pr by 1: C Pr H Y
Y>Pr by 2,3,4: C H Y Pr
Y>Pr by 5+: C Y Pr H
*CPrH* Y:
H>C by 1,2,3: C H Pr Y
H>C by 4+: H C Pr Y
Wow, in 2 scenarios it would be C/Y/P/H.
That would be wild.
Lacrosse Reference now projecting Cornell's final RPI, averaged across 1000 simulations of the rest of the season, at #2.
https://lacrossereference.com/mens-d1-bracketology/
Quote from: CU77Lacrosse Reference now projecting Cornell's final RPI, averaged across 1000 simulations of the rest of the season, at #2.
https://lacrossereference.com/mens-d1-bracketology/
Interesting that we don't win the Ivy tournament in more than 50% of the simulations. At the same time, that's by far the highest percentage of the 4 teams.
This run also says we're a lock to make the NCAA field. Princeton isn't 100% yet.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: CU77Lacrosse Reference now projecting Cornell's final RPI, averaged across 1000 simulations of the rest of the season, at #2.
https://lacrossereference.com/mens-d1-bracketology/
Interesting that we don't win the Ivy tournament in fewer than 50% of the simulations. At the same time, that's by far the highest percentage of the 4 teams.
This run also says we're a lock to make the NCAA field. Princeton isn't 100% yet.
The main thing now is for the team to continue to identify its weaknesses and continue to improve each week. They've done a fantastic job shoring up the defense this year.
Yes, just win baby! If the team wins all remaining games (including the ILT), they will be very well placed for a top-4 seed.
https://x.com/laxreference/status/1912585927660036563
QuoteThe NCAA DI Men's Lacrosse Committee announces its Top 10 Rankings for results through April 18, 2025.
1 @CornellLacrosse
2 @TerpsMLax
3 @TigerLacrosse
4 @PennStateMLAX
5 @UNCMensLacrosse
6 @HarvardMLax
7 @ArmyWP_MLax
8 @OhioStateMLAX
9 @CuseMLAX
10 @NDlacrosse
https://x.com/NCAALAX/status/1913636546068041756
Since I arrived on campus in August of 2008, this is only the second time, the other being 2020 men's hockey, that I thought we have the best, or tied for the best, team in the country.
Fortunately, this team doesn't shoulder the pressure of all the near-misses since 1977, though us fans do to varying degrees depending on when we matriculated.
Cornell has clinched hosting the ILT. Remaining possibilities for seeding:
Pr>Y: C Pr H Y
B>H, Y>Pr: C Y Pr H
H>B, Y>Pr by 1: C Pr H Y
H>B, Y>Pr by 2,3,4: C H Y Pr
H>B, Y>Pr by 5+: C Y Pr H
Quote from: BearLoverSince I arrived on campus in August of 2008, this is only the second time, the other being 2020 men's hockey, that I thought we have the best, or tied for the best, team in the country.
Fortunately, this team doesn't shoulder the pressure of all the near-misses since 1977, though us fans do to varying degrees depending on when we matriculated.
BearLover, I hope Cornell does win it all in lacrosse this year, of course, but if they don't, will you subject us all to the unbearable doom that their failure has brought to the University at large and to you, in particular?
Quote from: djk26Quote from: BearLoverSince I arrived on campus in August of 2008, this is only the second time, the other being 2020 men's hockey, that I thought we have the best, or tied for the best, team in the country.
Fortunately, this team doesn't shoulder the pressure of all the near-misses since 1977, though us fans do to varying degrees depending on when we matriculated.
BearLover, I hope Cornell does win it all in lacrosse this year, of course, but if they don't, will you subject us all to the unbearable doom that their failure has brought to the University at large and to you, in particular?
Let's hope they win!
It is going to be important to be on the opposite side of the NCAA bracket from Maryland. They are 10-2 with their losses being a combined 3 goals, against a much harder schedule than Cornell's (their SOS is 1st in the country, though ours isn't too shabby at 11th).
BL, does your family come from a religion where the holy trinity is suffering, guilt and "let's eat"?
Doesn't everyone?
Quote from: BearLoverIt is going to be important to be on the opposite side of the NCAA bracket from Maryland. They are 10-2 with their losses being a combined 3 goals, against a much harder schedule than Cornell's (their SOS is 1st in the country, though ours isn't too shabby at 11th).
Why?
If we are the 2nd seed and play the late game on the first round of Memorial Day weekend, aren't we at a disadvantage?
Wouldn't it be better to play them when we have equal rest?
Are you now arguing that getting to the final is its own reward?
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: BearLoverIt is going to be important to be on the opposite side of the NCAA bracket from Maryland. They are 10-2 with their losses being a combined 3 goals, against a much harder schedule than Cornell's (their SOS is 1st in the country, though ours isn't too shabby at 11th).
Why?
If we are the 2nd seed and play the late game on the first round of Memorial Day weekend, aren't we at a disadvantage?
Wouldn't it be better to play them when we have equal rest?
Are you now arguing that getting to the final is its own reward?
I want us to get the first seed. Separately, I want us to stay on the opposite side of the bracket from Maryland. Why would those two things be in conflict with each other?
And I want to avoid Maryland until the final because they seem to be the other best team in the country and this way they are more likely to be upset before we have to face them.
Quote from: billhowardBL, does your family come from a religion where the holy trinity is suffering, guilt and "let's eat"?
His is one where he's put in a burlap sack and beaten with reeds.
I think the attitude should be: We'll play anyone. Bring it on.
Quote from: mike1960I think the attitude should be: We'll play anyone. Bring it on.
one can simultaneously believe "we'll play anyone" and "i want as few obstacles as possible." in retrospect, there is probably greater historical appreciation for a tough path and even some marginally greater satisfaction as a fan, the overarching thing is "flags fly forever."
that said, i am not going to waste a lot of breath or mental energy hoping for the glide path because i think this team is good enough to win regardless and shit happens no matter what. there's nothing left to do strategically but win and arguing over whether there is some objectively "better" result for us in a game between two ACC teams is dumb unless you are arguing in person with a beer in front of you.
Sure you can schedule super hard.
Very few teams get to the playoffs undefeated no matter how good they are and once you reach that last 4 games most anyone can beat you.
Depth is huge though. Some good teams are not deep enough to schedule really hard, where losing 1-2 guys dumps the season.
Quote from: upprdeckSure you can schedule super hard.
Very few teams get to the playoffs undefeated no matter how good they are and once you reach that last 4 games most anyone can beat you.
Depth is huge though. Some good teams are not deep enough to schedule really hard, where losing 1-2 guys dumps the season.
I totally agree about depth. Should we make it to the championship game, we'd have to play on one-day rest. That's not something teams do all year, and so you don't know how you'll respond. Better conditioned teams with better depth will probably have an advantage. The Albany game was helpful for us in this respect.
But I'm getting ahead. One game at a time.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckSure you can schedule super hard.
Very few teams get to the playoffs undefeated no matter how good they are and once you reach that last 4 games most anyone can beat you.
Depth is huge though. Some good teams are not deep enough to schedule really hard, where losing 1-2 guys dumps the season.
I totally agree about depth. Should we make it to the championship game, we'd have to play on one-day rest. That's not something teams do all year, and so you don't know how you'll respond. Better conditioned teams with better depth will probably have an advantage. The Albany game was helpful for us in this respect. [\\quote]
You're right! It's almost as if our coaches thought of this when they scheduled the Albany game. (Although Albany turned out to be a weaker team than expected.)
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckSure you can schedule super hard.
Very few teams get to the playoffs undefeated no matter how good they are and once you reach that last 4 games most anyone can beat you.
Depth is huge though. Some good teams are not deep enough to schedule really hard, where losing 1-2 guys dumps the season.
I totally agree about depth. Should we make it to the championship game, we'd have to play on one-day rest. That's not something teams do all year, and so you don't know how you'll respond. Better conditioned teams with better depth will probably have an advantage. The Albany game was helpful for us in this respect.
But I'm getting ahead. One game at a time.
I'd like an easier path, but by far the most important thing is guys staying healthy. We have all the pieces, but we need those pieces on the field.
I feel like the missing link the last few years has been a great FOGO guy. We have that now. Nothing is more frustrating than being the better team in all facets except for one, but losing because the other team got way more possessions.
This is the most complete Cornell team I can remember, but let's stay healthy and keep it that way.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckSure you can schedule super hard.
Very few teams get to the playoffs undefeated no matter how good they are and once you reach that last 4 games most anyone can beat you.
Depth is huge though. Some good teams are not deep enough to schedule really hard, where losing 1-2 guys dumps the season.
I totally agree about depth. Should we make it to the championship game, we'd have to play on one-day rest. That's not something teams do all year, and so you don't know how you'll respond. Better conditioned teams with better depth will probably have an advantage. The Albany game was helpful for us in this respect.
But I'm getting ahead. One game at a time.
I'd like an easier path, but by far the most important thing is guys staying healthy. We have all the pieces, but we need those pieces on the field.
I feel like the missing link the last few years has been a great FOGO guy. We have that now. Nothing is more frustrating than being the better team in all facets except for one, but losing because the other team got way more possessions.
This is the most complete Cornell team I can remember, but let's stay healthy and keep it that way.
Yes, of course an easier path is better to get to the championship game. I'm just not sure if anyone knows what that is. A lot depends on how teams match up with each other, whether a team has a hot goalie, how teams respond to the pressure, etc. -- in other words, the wonders of sport. Is Maryland really that good (with losses to Rutgers and Michigan), or might there be some irrational fear of Maryland after 2022? Hard to say.
That's why I think the better attitude is a confident "whoever, let's play." "WD>WS."
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckSure you can schedule super hard.
Very few teams get to the playoffs undefeated no matter how good they are and once you reach that last 4 games most anyone can beat you.
Depth is huge though. Some good teams are not deep enough to schedule really hard, where losing 1-2 guys dumps the season.
I totally agree about depth. Should we make it to the championship game, we'd have to play on one-day rest. That's not something teams do all year, and so you don't know how you'll respond. Better conditioned teams with better depth will probably have an advantage. The Albany game was helpful for us in this respect.
But I'm getting ahead. One game at a time.
I'd like an easier path, but by far the most important thing is guys staying healthy. We have all the pieces, but we need those pieces on the field.
I feel like the missing link the last few years has been a great FOGO guy. We have that now. Nothing is more frustrating than being the better team in all facets except for one, but losing because the other team got way more possessions.
This is the most complete Cornell team I can remember, but let's stay healthy and keep it that way.
Yes, of course an easier path is better to get to the championship game. I'm just not sure if anyone knows what that is. A lot depends on how teams match up with each other, whether a team has a hot goalie, how teams respond to the pressure, etc. -- in other words, the wonders of sport. Is Maryland really that good (with losses to Rutgers and Michigan), or might there be some irrational fear of Maryland after 2022? Hard to say.
That's why I think the better attitude is a confident "whoever, let's play." "WD>WS."
Agreed!
However, a fear of Maryland (and Syracuse) may be rational yet desirable nonetheless. Think of it as unfinished business, revenge, or finally and successfully confronting the bully who stole your lunch money. ::flipc::
I think Cornell matches up well with any team in the country, but the two teams I worry the most about are Maryland and Notre Dame, which are (not coincidentally!) ranked #2 and #3 by Massey (IMO the most reliable computer ranking system).
Maryland gets the absolute best pre-game and in-game scheming from Tillman, and ND is the two-time defending national champ, still with tons of talent on the roster. Two days ago, ND trailed UNC 4-1 at halftime, then exploded to outscore them 11-2 in the 2nd half. I feel that ND is a lot like Cuse in often sitting back, unless it really matters. Which it would in the NCAAs.
I might be alone in this but I'd really like to avoid playing Army
Quote from: CU2007I might be alone in this but I'd really like to avoid playing Army
You're not alone. Army would be a tough matchup. 2 years ago AJ Pilate played Kirst about as well as any defenseman (including Lavelle) has played CJ. They have a top-tier FOGO, and with Eicher and Plunkett they have a couple of the best scorers in the country. Playing our best I think we'd prevail, but it would be a battle.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: CU2007I might be alone in this but I'd really like to avoid playing Army
You're not alone. Army would be a tough matchup. 2 years ago AJ Pilate played Kirst about as well as any defenseman (including Lavelle) has played CJ. They have a top-tier FOGO, and with Eicher and Plunkett they have a couple of the best scorers in the country. Playing our best I think we'd prevail, but it would be a battle.
I saw Army beat Yale in person early in the season and was really impressed. They just came out and took it to Yale right from the start. They're going to be a tough out for anyone in the tourney.
they still have to win that Conf title to make sure they even get in
Quote from: upprdeckthey still have to win that Conf title to make sure they even get in
Even if Cornell loses to Yale in the next game, I'd be surprised if they didn't get in to the NCAAs. Not sure if this was sacrasm; the committee does have a tendency to underseed/snub the Big Red.
Which makes me wonder: what has to happen for Cornell to get the #1 seed this year? Win the Ivy League Tournament at a minimum, then the rest of it is out of their hands.
Top eight in RPI right now (I'd be very surprised if a team not on this list got the #1 seed): 1. Maryland, 2. Princeton, 3. Cornell, 4. Penn State, 5. North Carolina, 6. Notre Dame, 7. Duke, 8. Ohio State.
I think Ohio State is better than #8. Overly penalized for that loss to Utah at the beginning of the year. I wouldn't be hoping for a game against them.
Going on the basis of Cornell winning the ILT (it will hard to do, but it's the only chance of Cornell getting a #1 seed):
If Maryland wins the Big Ten Tournament, I would be shocked if they are not the #1 seed. Their resume is better than Cornell's (even with Maryland's two lossses), and it will remain that way even should Cornell pick up another win against Princeton on the way to an ILT title. Should Penn State pick up wins against Maryland and Ohio State on their way to winning a Big Ten Tournament (BTT?) title, I think they would have a compelling case for a #1 seed, even with three losses, given their win against Cornell. Even though I think #8 is too low for Ohio State, I don't know if a even BTT title would bump them up enough in RPI to let them have the #1 seed.
Of course, I would never dismiss the ACC. Notre Dame could get the #1 seed if they win their tournament and if Maryland doesn't win the BTT. It'd be a stretch, but I could see it.
Harder to see North Carolina doing the same, but I guess it's possible. Duke's four losses this year, including one to Denver, is probably too much to overcome to get the #1 seed, even if they win the ACC tournament.
So, if Cornell wants the #1 seed (and yes, they can only control their own games, but stuff like this is what message boards are made for), they need to win the ILT and root for Rutgers and Duke in the other two top league tournaments. Rutgers is a big underdog, of course, so really, root for anyone but Maryland. In the ACC tournament, really anyone but Notre Dame. I think Princeton, too, could absolutley get the #1 seed if they win the ILT.
There's also (this has gone on too long already) a compelling case to be made that Cornell is better off as a #2 seed. So, of course, just win and let the rest take care of itself.
Pretty sure Cornell will get the 1-seed if they win the Ivy tournament and Maryland does not win the Big 10 tournament
Even if we lose by 10, we should be in. If not, it's a crime. I.e.- Shedeur sanders. lol
Quote from: toddloseEven if we lose by 10, we should be in. If not, it's a crime. I.e.- Shedeur sanders. lol
There is 0 chance Cornell doesn't make the tournament. The committee released its rankings prior to Cornell's last two games (wins against Harvard and Dartmouth). Cornell was #1.
The real question is if Cornell will get a top-3 seed if they lose to Yale. I would guess if they lose to Princeton in the final a top-3 seed is highly likely.
Cornell gets the winner of the Albany/Siena play-in. Anyone have a preference?
I wouldn't want Richmond in the first round. They can play. North Carolina has them.
Ohio State - Notre Dame in the first round. That will be a game.
And we get the winner ...
Bracket:
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-men/d1/2025
Five upstate NY teams in the tournament. Very nice
Don't like that we're set to play UNC at all. Not concerned about the first round but it'll be a fun game to watch and hopefully our first good weather home game of the season.
Quote from: CU77Bracket:
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-men/d1/2025
I like our bracket. We'll be heavily favored in the first two games, but we can't take anything for granted. I don't think we will.
In the semifinal, should we get that far, I wouldn't mind seeing Penn State again: a little unfinished business there, and the team would definitely be up for it. Probably we'll see Ohio State though.
Maryland, the team of our deepestdarkestnightmares, will have to get through Princeton to make it to the final.
Quote from: CU77And we get the winner
Must win two before that one.
Quote from: chimpfoodDon't like that we're set to play UNC at all. Not concerned about the first round but it'll be a fun game to watch and hopefully our first good weather home game of the season.
That would seem as good an opponent at that stage of the tournament as any. Who else would you want—-Syracuse? Notre Dame? They're all credible teams at that point.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: chimpfoodDon't like that we're set to play UNC at all. Not concerned about the first round but it'll be a fun game to watch and hopefully our first good weather home game of the season.
That would seem as good an opponent at that stage of the tournament as any. Who else would you want—-Syracuse? Notre Dame? They're all credible teams at that point.
Yeah I would rather play cuse or PSU but I'm still confident we can beat UNC of course.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: scoop85Quote from: chimpfoodDon't like that we're set to play UNC at all. Not concerned about the first round but it'll be a fun game to watch and hopefully our first good weather home game of the season.
That would seem as good an opponent at that stage of the tournament as any. Who else would you want—-Syracuse? Notre Dame? They're all credible teams at that point.
Yeah I would rather play cuse or PSU but I'm still confident we can beat UNC of course.
It's pretty clear now that we
can beat anyone in the country. The key is which teams will be the hardest to beat or stand the best chance of beating us.
I will say: It's an injustice that Army is not in this tournament. Of course, they have only themselves to blame, etc., but they are better than a lot of teams here. I was actually a little worried about how we would match up against them.
Do we know yet where the quarterfinal games will be played? Higher seed campus or neutral site(s)?
Quote from: KenPDo we know yet where the quarterfinal games will be played? Higher seed campus or neutral site(s)?
Our quarterfinal (should we make it) will be at Hempstead, Long Guyland.
Quote from: KenPDo we know yet where the quarterfinal games will be played? Higher seed campus or neutral site(s)?
"Neutral" sites: Annapolis & Hempstead (https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2025-05-01/2025-ncaa-di-mens-lacrosse-championship-bracket-schedule-results).
Quote from: mike1960I will say: It's an injustice that Army is not in this tournament. Of course, they have only themselves to blame, etc., but they are better than a lot of teams here. I was actually a little worried about how we would match up against them.
a good team that couldn't stop losing isn't an unjust exclusion. the point of the season is to show how good you are by winning games.
Quote from: chimpfoodDon't like that we're set to play UNC at all. Not concerned about the first round but it'll be a fun game to watch and hopefully our first good weather home game of the season.
UNC led by Owen Duffy, son of Big Red Captain Bill Duffy '93 I believe.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: chimpfoodDon't like that we're set to play UNC at all. Not concerned about the first round but it'll be a fun game to watch and hopefully our first good weather home game of the season.
UNC led by Owen Duffy, son of Big Red Captain Bill Duffy '93 I believe.
Bill Duffy '94
Quote from: KenPDo we know yet where the quarterfinal games will be played? Higher seed campus or neutral site(s)?
All right, I'm going to be the wet blanket here—we have to win Sunday night first.
I really don't remember the Albany game earlier in the season. Didn't they hang with us for a while?
I know nothing about Siena.
Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: KenPDo we know yet where the quarterfinal games will be played? Higher seed campus or neutral site(s)?
All right, I'm going to be the wet blanket here—we have to win Sunday night first.
I really don't remember the Albany game earlier in the season. Didn't they hang with us for a while?
I know nothing about Siena.
I tried really hard to write that in a way to not offend the woofing gods. Just curious about the tournament format and venues... that's all!
Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: KenPDo we know yet where the quarterfinal games will be played? Higher seed campus or neutral site(s)?
All right, I'm going to be the wet blanket here—we have to win Sunday night first.
I really don't remember the Albany game earlier in the season. Didn't they hang with us for a while?
I know nothing about Siena.
Both playing well lately. Need to come out motivated. Play-in winner will be.
Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: KenPDo we know yet where the quarterfinal games will be played? Higher seed campus or neutral site(s)?
All right, I'm going to be the wet blanket here—we have to win Sunday night first.
I really don't remember the Albany game earlier in the season. Didn't they hang with us for a while?
I know nothing about Siena.
Cornell was up 7-1 after 1 and then 12-4 after 2, so not really. Their winning streak at the end of the season has largely come against lesser competition. But they know what to expect if they play us again, and maybe that results in a closer game.
You can find it all online
The Albany goalie is making some quality stops tonight. He's no Blaze Riordan, but then who is?
Albany wins and so they'll have a 3-hour bus ride to Ithaca this weekend. At least Siena didn't have much of a long bus ride across town back and forth from Loudonville, in what was probably one of the shortest road trips for any visiting D1 lacrosse team