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Title: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: CU77 on April 02, 2025, 08:37:52 PM
Cornell rolls into Providence as a heavy favorite. Massey gives the Red an 84% chance of winning, by a most-likely score of 14-9. Sounds about right to me.

https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=1407762

Brown is 3-6 with Ivy losses to Yale and Penn. Their wins are by 1 goal over UMass and Providence, and by 2 over Bryant, making them champs of Rhode Island. Yay!

Unless something goes horribly wrong, this should be a tune-up for the Red for the next two Saturdays of big games against the Orange and Crimson, which will be season-defining.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 04, 2025, 09:58:53 PM
45 degrees and rain in Providence tomorrow. Not ideal weather for our style of game.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: chimpfood on April 05, 2025, 12:05:25 PM
Is brown seriously starting their scout team? I get wanting to motivate your team to practice hard but come on.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 12:20:08 PM
3-3 tied first quarter.

Questionable defense on both sides. Cornell was beat twice by spin dodges. Brown didn't bother to guard Cascadden and let him receive a pass and trot to the front of the goal with the ball.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: Al DeFlorio on April 05, 2025, 12:21:28 PM
D overcommitting
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 12:30:54 PM
3-3 end of the first.

Brown is tightening up on D and making things tough. I think wet sticks are causing errant passes. Not the first time this year that's happened.

Nice job by Brown on our EMO. They scouted that pass across the front of the goal and shut it down.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 12:40:01 PM
Why is Staub shooting from 20 yards?
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: Iceberg on April 05, 2025, 12:41:38 PM
Brown PBP guy going on his usual speech about how Cornell has big guys. I guess it extends to other sports too
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: CU77 on April 05, 2025, 12:46:38 PM
I'm getting 2012 vibes ... not good ... https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule/2012
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 12:50:51 PM
Cornell is moving the ball out of the timeout. That's what the guys need to do.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: CU77 on April 05, 2025, 12:58:31 PM
8-6 Red at the half
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 12:59:14 PM
Beautiful set by Cornell after the time out. Used the sub game to create stress on the defense and found the X coming from the back of the net.

In the previous possession, Brown had a nice play out of the TO. Created a double-team on one side and sent it their shooter McClain on the other side. A good save by Wyatt prevented the goal.

8-6 Cornell at the half.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: Chousnake on April 05, 2025, 01:10:41 PM
Can someone tell the announcers how to pronounce Cascadden's name. And let's scrap the close up weird angle on face-offs.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 01:30:35 PM
9-8 Cornell end of the third.

A lot of bad passes caused by wet sticks. Brown has done good work on CJ this game, but I expect he'll make his presence felt in the 4th. I would like to see more shots from Big Hugh down the alley.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: Al DeFlorio on April 05, 2025, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: mike19609-8 Cornell end of the third.

A lot of bad passes caused by wet sticks. Brown has done good work on CJ this game, but I expect he'll make his presence felt in the 4th. I would like to see more shots from Big Hugh down the alley.
has a shortie on him.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: djk26 on April 05, 2025, 01:47:34 PM
10-9 Cornell, under 5:00 to go. Knust has been the diffrence so far-12 saves.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 01:48:28 PM
BIG goal by Firth around the corner from X to bring it to 11-9 Cornell with 3:49 to go.

Let's win this faceoff.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: CU77 on April 05, 2025, 01:48:32 PM
breathing room
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: CU2007 on April 05, 2025, 01:52:32 PM
Nice shot on the telecast of some apparent Cornell moms sharing some airplane sized liquors in the stands after going up 12-9 lol
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: CU2007Nice shot on the telecast of some apparent Cornell moms sharing some airplane sized liquors in the stands after going up 12-9 lol

Ha ha.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 01:59:13 PM
We need to figure out how to kill the final seconds against the pulled goalie/trap defense.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: CU77 on April 05, 2025, 02:00:44 PM
13-9 final
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 02:00:53 PM
13-9 Cornell win.

Not an easy day in the rain and cold.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: Iceberg on April 05, 2025, 02:02:02 PM
Credit to the Brown defense for keeping it close most of the game, but we all know what they say about close...
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: rss77 on April 05, 2025, 02:06:09 PM
Credit also to Knust and Cornell's settled defense in 2nd half as the settled defense allowed only 1 goal. Brown's defense clogged things up and ground balls were pretty even.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: rss77Credit also to Knust and Cornell's settled defense in 2nd half as the settled defense allowed only 1 goal. Brown's defense clogged things up and ground balls were pretty even.

+1
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: djk26 on April 05, 2025, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: rss77Credit also to Knust and Cornell's settled defense in 2nd half as the settled defense allowed only 1 goal. Brown's defense clogged things up and ground balls were pretty even.

Cascadden also had a huge game. His presence is a big difference from last year.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: scoop85 on April 05, 2025, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: djk26
Quote from: rss77Credit also to Knust and Cornell's settled defense in 2nd half as the settled defense allowed only 1 goal. Brown's defense clogged things up and ground balls were pretty even.

Cascadden also had a huge game. His presence is a big difference from last year.

Huge difference.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: billhoward on April 05, 2025, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: CU2007Nice shot on the telecast of some apparent Cornell moms sharing some airplane sized liquors in the stands after going up 12-9 lol
#Slander  I am sure this is a take-away from their Waffle House of Providence (there is one) breakfast before the game. You know, ask for maple syrup, you get a 5ml / 1.7-oz upgrade for $3.50. It's possible one of the Cornell fans felt a sugar imbalance late in the game.

At the Lehigh game Feb. 15, the one that opened gray and cold, and ended with 2" of snow on the ground, I noticed a number of Cornell partisans doing an excellent job keeping warm. Or feeling that way.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: billhoward on April 05, 2025, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: ChousnakeCan someone tell the announcers how to pronounce Cascadden's name. And let's scrap the close up weird angle on face-offs.
Sports Illustrated, back when it was a real magazine, had a fab photo from the end zone, through the legs, of a faceoff, I think of the UMass long stick FOGO, IIRC, maybe the 2006 NCAA runner-up year. Perhaps this videographer was trying to create an artiste's view of this hard hitting game.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: CU77 on April 05, 2025, 02:42:47 PM
So in the end, the 13-9 final score was close to the Massey prediction of 14-9, but getting there was not linear.

I'm not a fan of late with-a-lead stall ball against the 10 man. I say: keep the ball in front of the cage, shoot early and often at the empty net. The usual argument against this is that it leaves you open to a run of make-it-take-it goals by the opponent, but if their FOGO is not exceptional, I doubt that stalling is truly the optimal strategy.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: billhoward on April 05, 2025, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: mike1960We need to figure out how to kill the final seconds against the pulled goalie/trap defense.
I had the same thought. Knowing we are 60% on faceoffs this day ... Go. To. The. Net. ~90% chance of going up by one more goal and then a good chance of getting the ensuing faceoff, that seems like good odds.

When you run along the endline, you can only be attacked from one side, not two. But you then get pushed out of bounds. But, hey, that's hindsight. As Duffy Daugherty, Michigan State coach of the Cold War / Vietnam era said, "Monday morning, anybody can tell me the right play to call. On Saturday afternoon, you have 25 seconds to pick the right play."  Off topic: In WW II, without a college degree, Daugherty rose from private to major, won a bronze star. Also: He was early on bringing in Black players. In the 1967 draft, Michigan State had four of the eight top picks, all Black, including #1 pick Bubba Smith, he of later Police Academy fame. And a really funny or raunchy, take your pick, Pat Nixon joke.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: billhoward on April 05, 2025, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: djk26
Quote from: rss77Credit also to Knust and Cornell's settled defense in 2nd half as the settled defense allowed only 1 goal. Brown's defense clogged things up and ground balls were pretty even.
Cascadden also had a huge game. His presence is a big difference from last year.
I can see into the future: Cornell recruits a 70% FOGO, we make it as far as the title game, then for his sophomore year the NCAA replaces the faceoff with other-team-gets-the-ball thing to spend up the game.

Right now, of the top fifty faceoff specialists, Cornell junior Jack Cascadden ranks #15 at .590. Of key remaining opponents, we are only at a significant disadvantage against the Orange:

 5  John Mullen    Syracuse   Soph  0.642
35  Spencer Reagan  Dartmouth  Fr    0.533
Harvard is outside the top 50, has 3 FOGOs who've taken 50+ each, most prolific is Jackson Henehan, 61-147, .415. The other two are.462 and .313.


Among the other top 5 times, i.e. the ones we'd most likely see if we make final four weekend, Notre Dame would be a challenge:
 6  Notre Dame, .638
17  Maryland, .577
30  Ohio State, .546
NR  Princeton,  .414 vs. Cornell
TD Ierlan was .751, career best all-time, for Albany then Yale then Denver. 2017-2021.  
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 03:52:01 PM
Syracuse 9-5 over Notre Dame starting the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 05, 2025, 04:06:36 PM
Quote from: mike1960Syracuse 9-5 over Notre Dame starting the 4th quarter.

Now 13-7, 'Cuse.

And Sucks stomped Dartmouth 18-7
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: mike1960 on April 05, 2025, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: mike1960Syracuse 9-5 over Notre Dame starting the 4th quarter.

Now 13-7, 'Cuse.

And Sucks stomped Dartmouth 18-7

14-9 Syracuse final. Gait's got them playing really well. We'll have our hands full next week.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: Chousnake on April 05, 2025, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: mike1960Syracuse 9-5 over Notre Dame starting the 4th quarter.

Now 13-7, 'Cuse.

And Sucks stomped Dartmouth 18-7

14-9 Syracuse final. Gait's got them playing really well. We'll have our hands full next week.

I watched it. Always love seeing ND lose.  That also helps Cornell.  Syracuse will likely be in the top 5 now.  And the game was not as close as the score.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: Swampy on April 05, 2025, 05:52:25 PM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: djk26
Quote from: rss77Credit also to Knust and Cornell's settled defense in 2nd half as the settled defense allowed only 1 goal. Brown's defense clogged things up and ground balls were pretty even.
Cascadden also had a huge game. His presence is a big difference from last year.
I can see into the future: Cornell recruits a 70% FOGO, we make it as far as the title game, then for his sophomore year the NCAA replaces the faceoff with other-team-gets-the-ball thing to spend up the game.

Right now, of the top fifty faceoff specialists, Cornell junior Jack Cascadden ranks #15 at .590. Of key remaining opponents, we are only at a significant disadvantage against the Orange:

 5  John Mullen    Syracuse   Soph  0.642
35  Spencer Reagan  Dartmouth  Fr    0.533
Harvard is outside the top 50, has 3 FOGOs who've taken 50+ each, most prolific is Jackson Henehan, 61-147, .415. The other two are.462 and .313.


Among the other top 5 times, i.e. the ones we'd most likely see if we make final four weekend, Notre Dame would be a challenge:
 6  Notre Dame, .638
17  Maryland, .577
30  Ohio State, .546
NR  Princeton,  .414 vs. Cornell
TD Ierlan was .751, career best all-time, for Albany then Yale then Denver. 2017-2021.  

For today's faceoffs, Cornell's wings played much better than in some of the games earlier in the season. This might be affecting Jack's statistics.
Title: Re: Cornell @ Brown Men's Lacrosse Saturday, April 5, 2025, 12 noon
Post by: semsox on April 06, 2025, 01:43:39 PM
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: djk26
Quote from: rss77Credit also to Knust and Cornell's settled defense in 2nd half as the settled defense allowed only 1 goal. Brown's defense clogged things up and ground balls were pretty even.
Cascadden also had a huge game. His presence is a big difference from last year.
I can see into the future: Cornell recruits a 70% FOGO, we make it as far as the title game, then for his sophomore year the NCAA replaces the faceoff with other-team-gets-the-ball thing to spend up the game.

Right now, of the top fifty faceoff specialists, Cornell junior Jack Cascadden ranks #15 at .590. Of key remaining opponents, we are only at a significant disadvantage against the Orange:

 5  John Mullen    Syracuse   Soph  0.642
35  Spencer Reagan  Dartmouth  Fr    0.533
Harvard is outside the top 50, has 3 FOGOs who've taken 50+ each, most prolific is Jackson Henehan, 61-147, .415. The other two are.462 and .313.


Among the other top 5 times, i.e. the ones we'd most likely see if we make final four weekend, Notre Dame would be a challenge:
 6  Notre Dame, .638
17  Maryland, .577
30  Ohio State, .546
NR  Princeton,  .414 vs. Cornell
TD Ierlan was .751, career best all-time, for Albany then Yale then Denver. 2017-2021.  

For today's faceoffs, Cornell's wings played much better than in some of the games earlier in the season. This might be affecting Jack's statistics.

Agree with this. I certainly don't think there's 14 guys I'd rather have taking face-offs than Cascadden, and his availability is a force-multiplier. I just think of all the face-offs we lost last year, putting more wear on the defense, etc. Not so this year.