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Title: Portal 2025
Post by: Trotsky on April 01, 2025, 08:37:08 AM
Seems like a major topic that deserves its own thread.

CHN is monitoring the Portal (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/playerMoves/).

As of now, here are the ECAC non-seniors, with stats for non-trivial players:

Brn So F Max Scott 12-14
Brn So G Lawton Zacher 2.48 / .917
Cgt So D Dominic Foglia
Qpc Fr F Noah Eyre
Qpc Fr F Michael Salandra
Qpc Fr D Nate Benoit
Qpc So D Chase Ramsey
RPI So F Tyler Hotson 6-16
RPI Fr F Felix Caron 6-15
RPI Jr F Sutter Muzzati
RPI Jr D Max Smolinski 5-10
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: BearLover on April 01, 2025, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: TrotskySeems like a major topic that deserves its own thread.

CHN is monitoring the Portal (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/playerMoves/).

As of now, here are the ECAC non-seniors, with stats for non-trivial players:

Brn So F Max Scott 12-14
Brn So G Lawton Zacher 2.48 / .917
Cgt So D Dominic Foglia
Qpc Fr F Noah Eyre
Qpc Fr F Michael Salandra
Qpc Fr D Nate Benoit
Qpc So D Chase Ramsey
RPI So F Tyler Hotson 6-16
RPI Fr F Felix Caron 6-15
RPI Jr F Sutter Muzzati
RPI Jr D Max Smolinski 5-10
Meanwhile, Dartmouth's top two forwards left school early to sign pro deals. One of Brown's forwards did as well. And Union's best overall player, Prokop, also went pro. For Clarkson, Trey Taylor, their best D, left early, and rumor is that their other best D Tristan Sarsland is transferring out.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: BearLover on April 01, 2025, 01:25:41 PM
We can make a pretty good pitch to kids in the portal: "back to back league champions, one game from the frozen four three years in a row. Come here if you want to win."
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: ursusminor on April 02, 2025, 01:42:59 AM
RPI's leading scorer (not a big accomplishment) defenseman Will Gilson will play for QU next season. :-O RPI got him from the portal from UAA a year ago, so I should not be too mad, but I am.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: stereax on April 02, 2025, 05:35:19 AM
Quote from: ursusminorRPI's leading scorer (not a big accomplishment) defenseman Will Gilson will play for QU next season. :-O RPI got him from the portal from UAA a year ago, so I should not be too mad, but I am.
Standard Quinnipiac bullshit.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: ursusminor on April 02, 2025, 06:51:33 AM
Quote from: stereax
Quote from: ursusminorRPI's leading scorer (not a big accomplishment) defenseman Will Gilson will play for QU next season. :-O RPI got him from the portal from UAA a year ago, so I should not be too mad, but I am.
Standard Quinnipiac bullshit.

He is from Connecticut, so he's going closer to home. Of course, Troy is a lot closer to home than Anchorage, so relatively it's a smaller change..
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: dbilmes on April 02, 2025, 09:58:00 AM
We get to look forward to watching another first-round NHL draft pick play for BU (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/04/01_Reports-Boisvert-Perron.php) against Cornell at MSG this November:
Sacha Boisvert, a member of CHN's All-Rookie Team and the NCHC Rookie of the Year, is transferring to Boston University, according to RDS in Canada. Boisvert, a first-round pick of Chicago in last year's NHL Draft, had 18 goals and 32 points this season for the Fighting Hawks.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: Jim Hyla on April 02, 2025, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: dbilmesWe get to look forward to watching another first-round NHL draft pick play for BU (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/04/01_Reports-Boisvert-Perron.php) against Cornell at MSG this November:
Sacha Boisvert, a member of CHN's All-Rookie Team and the NCHC Rookie of the Year, is transferring to Boston University, according to RDS in Canada. Boisvert, a first-round pick of Chicago in last year's NHL Draft, had 18 goals and 32 points this season for the Fighting Hawks.

Wonder if that's a coaching issue, or closer to home, or just who knows?
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: BearLover on April 02, 2025, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: dbilmesWe get to look forward to watching another first-round NHL draft pick play for BU (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/04/01_Reports-Boisvert-Perron.php) against Cornell at MSG this November:
Sacha Boisvert, a member of CHN's All-Rookie Team and the NCHC Rookie of the Year, is transferring to Boston University, according to RDS in Canada. Boisvert, a first-round pick of Chicago in last year's NHL Draft, had 18 goals and 32 points this season for the Fighting Hawks.

Wonder if that's a coaching issue, or closer to home, or just who knows?
North Dakota recently fired their coach.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: Jim Hyla on April 02, 2025, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: dbilmesWe get to look forward to watching another first-round NHL draft pick play for BU (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/04/01_Reports-Boisvert-Perron.php) against Cornell at MSG this November:
Sacha Boisvert, a member of CHN's All-Rookie Team and the NCHC Rookie of the Year, is transferring to Boston University, according to RDS in Canada. Boisvert, a first-round pick of Chicago in last year's NHL Draft, had 18 goals and 32 points this season for the Fighting Hawks.

Wonder if that's a coaching issue, or closer to home, or just who knows?
North Dakota recently fired their coach.

Yeah, that's what I meant, should have said it.

They've also hired the Assistant Coach as Head Coach.

So maybe he doesn't feel that's a good mix?
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: stereax on April 02, 2025, 12:34:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: dbilmesWe get to look forward to watching another first-round NHL draft pick play for BU (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/04/01_Reports-Boisvert-Perron.php) against Cornell at MSG this November:
Sacha Boisvert, a member of CHN's All-Rookie Team and the NCHC Rookie of the Year, is transferring to Boston University, according to RDS in Canada. Boisvert, a first-round pick of Chicago in last year's NHL Draft, had 18 goals and 32 points this season for the Fighting Hawks.

Wonder if that's a coaching issue, or closer to home, or just who knows?
North Dakota recently fired their coach.

Yeah, that's what I meant, should have said it.

They've also hired the Assistant Coach as Head Coach.

So maybe he doesn't feel that's a good mix?
BU friend strongly implied that the coaching hire was a motivating factor in Boisvert's decision to transfer.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: Iceberg on April 02, 2025, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: dbilmesWe get to look forward to watching another first-round NHL draft pick play for BU (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/04/01_Reports-Boisvert-Perron.php) against Cornell at MSG this November:
Sacha Boisvert, a member of CHN's All-Rookie Team and the NCHC Rookie of the Year, is transferring to Boston University, according to RDS in Canada. Boisvert, a first-round pick of Chicago in last year's NHL Draft, had 18 goals and 32 points this season for the Fighting Hawks.

Did he not play at Lynah? I know UND had a bunch of guys hurt and his name came up quite a bit on the UND forums although they were complaining about a lot of things after that sweep in November
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: BearLover on April 02, 2025, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: dbilmesWe get to look forward to watching another first-round NHL draft pick play for BU (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/04/01_Reports-Boisvert-Perron.php) against Cornell at MSG this November:
Sacha Boisvert, a member of CHN's All-Rookie Team and the NCHC Rookie of the Year, is transferring to Boston University, according to RDS in Canada. Boisvert, a first-round pick of Chicago in last year's NHL Draft, had 18 goals and 32 points this season for the Fighting Hawks.

Did he not play at Lynah? I know UND had a bunch of guys hurt and his name came up quite a bit on the UND forums although they were complaining about a lot of things after that sweep in November
He played and scored a highlight-reel goal.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: BearLover on April 02, 2025, 05:26:34 PM
Crazy number of players leaving school early to sign pro deals/entering the portal. It's truly a rich-get-richer situation. Basically, if you have a strong year at a lesser hockey school, you're gone—either to Hockey East/Big 10/NCHC, or to the pros.

What's interesting is that so far Cornell has basically been totally insulated from this—almost nobody leaves early or transfers out, but also almost nobody transfers in. Does this new environment help or hurt Cornell, on net? It's hard to argue with our results the last three years, which have frankly been amazing.

Here's a hypothesis: the net effect of this new environment is neutral or positive for Cornell, because there are so many more have-nots than haves. The migration of talent from the former to the latter makes it so the BUs and Minnesotas almost never miss the NCAAs anymore, but the other 50 teams don't put up much of a fight. So the have-nots are less likely to take an NCAA bid from Cornell. But there's a tradeoff, which is the disparity between Cornell and BU/Minnesota is even greater than it once was.

Is there any truth to this? I think so?

Cornell has an interesting niche as a great academic school with a culture that prioritizes loyalty and sticking around until graduation. I think that will give us a leg up over the vast majority of other schools. The issue will be finally breaking through against the very top schools, which now not only recruit the best talent but also poach the top talent from the lesser schools.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: BearLover on April 03, 2025, 12:40:08 PM
Quote from: BearLoveralmost nobody leaves early
I jinxed it. Ugh, I was so hopeful that since five days had passed since the regional final and there had been no announcement yet, we were maybe in the clear. Well, there goes our advantage of kids wanting to stay out of loyalty/to earn their degree. This is not a commentary on whether it is a smart decision for those kids. It just sucks for Cornell.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: David Harding on April 03, 2025, 09:42:31 PM
My apologies.  This isn't Cornell or hockey, but I couldn't find another thread on The Portal in general.  There's a graphic that shows where the starting five of each sweet sixteen team played as a freshman.  It's dramatic.  https://ericzorn.substack.com/i/159486976/good-sports
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 04, 2025, 08:20:18 AM
Quote from: David HardingMy apologies.  This isn't Cornell or hockey, but I couldn't find another thread on The Portal in general.  There's a graphic that shows where the starting five of each sweet sixteen team played as a freshman.  It's dramatic.  https://ericzorn.substack.com/i/159486976/good-sports

Dramatic indeed.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: jtwcornell91 on April 04, 2025, 08:33:06 AM
Quote from: David HardingMy apologies.  This isn't Cornell or hockey, but I couldn't find another thread on The Portal in general.  There's a graphic that shows where the starting five of each sweet sixteen team played as a freshman.  It's dramatic.  https://ericzorn.substack.com/i/159486976/good-sports

The whole discussion about what to do about deliberate fouls at the end of a game reminds me of why I don't care for basketball.  The analogous strategy in hockey (pulling the goalie for an extra attacker) is so much more exciting.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: ugarte on April 04, 2025, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: jtwcornell91
Quote from: David HardingMy apologies.  This isn't Cornell or hockey, but I couldn't find another thread on The Portal in general.  There's a graphic that shows where the starting five of each sweet sixteen team played as a freshman.  It's dramatic.  https://ericzorn.substack.com/i/159486976/good-sports

The whole discussion about what to do about deliberate fouls at the end of a game reminds me of why I don't care for basketball.  The analogous strategy in hockey (pulling the goalie for an extra attacker) is so much more exciting.
Someone presented a paper at Sloan about optimal strategy that said the trailing team should start fouling much earlier and in much closer situations than is typical and the best response i saw was that if the strategy actually caught on, David Stern would have the author killed in public as a warning to others.

thread drift is fine. it's the offseason.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: upprdeck on April 04, 2025, 11:04:01 AM
Basketball should only allow time outs during dead balls

Hockey should only allow line changes for the team that didn't cause the puck to go dead.

CFB should never allow Timeouts once OT has started

BB and FB should never allow back to back timeouts.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: Trotsky on April 04, 2025, 03:01:00 PM
Quote from: upprdeckBasketball should only allow time outs during dead balls

Hockey should only allow line changes for the team that didn't cause the puck to go dead.

CFB should never allow Timeouts once OT has started

BB and FB should never allow back to back timeouts.
No time outs, no substitutions.

(https://d32qys9a6wm9no.cloudfront.net/images/movies/backdrop/53/aed179b9b0d213547a3e2614ea4a01a0_1280x720.jpg?t=1645067898)
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: arugula on April 04, 2025, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: upprdeckBasketball should only allow time outs during dead balls

Hockey should only allow line changes for the team that didn't cause the puck to go dead.

CFB should never allow Timeouts once OT has started

BB and FB should never allow back to back timeouts.
No time outs, no substitutions.

(https://d32qys9a6wm9no.cloudfront.net/images/movies/backdrop/53/aed179b9b0d213547a3e2614ea4a01a0_1280x720.jpg?t=1645067898)


Jonathan Jonathan Jonathan.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: jtwcornell91 on April 04, 2025, 04:28:47 PM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: jtwcornell91
Quote from: David HardingMy apologies.  This isn't Cornell or hockey, but I couldn't find another thread on The Portal in general.  There's a graphic that shows where the starting five of each sweet sixteen team played as a freshman.  It's dramatic.  https://ericzorn.substack.com/i/159486976/good-sports

The whole discussion about what to do about deliberate fouls at the end of a game reminds me of why I don't care for basketball.  The analogous strategy in hockey (pulling the goalie for an extra attacker) is so much more exciting.
Someone presented a paper at Sloan about optimal strategy that said the trailing team should start fouling much earlier and in much closer situations than is typical and the best response i saw was that if the strategy actually caught on, David Stern would have the author killed in public as a warning to others.

thread drift is fine. it's the offseason.

Wasn't there a similar analysis about going for it on fourth down in football: a riskier strategy would win more games on average, but be more likely to get the coach fired?
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: Trotsky on April 04, 2025, 05:28:23 PM
Quote from: jtwcornell91Wasn't there a similar analysis about going for it on fourth down in football: a riskier strategy would win more games on average, but be more likely to get the coach fired?
Yes.  If owners were intelligent, it would be the right move for a coach, but the graph of intelligence against wealth is a bell curve.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: Swampy on April 04, 2025, 11:03:41 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: jtwcornell91Wasn't there a similar analysis about going for it on fourth down in football: a riskier strategy would win more games on average, but be more likely to get the coach fired?
Yes.  If owners were intelligent, it would be the right move for a coach, but the graph of intelligence against wealth is a bell curve.

With mean = ? & s.d. = ?
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: ugarte on April 05, 2025, 12:42:56 AM
Quote from: jtwcornell91
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: jtwcornell91
Quote from: David HardingMy apologies.  This isn't Cornell or hockey, but I couldn't find another thread on The Portal in general.  There's a graphic that shows where the starting five of each sweet sixteen team played as a freshman.  It's dramatic.  https://ericzorn.substack.com/i/159486976/good-sports

The whole discussion about what to do about deliberate fouls at the end of a game reminds me of why I don't care for basketball.  The analogous strategy in hockey (pulling the goalie for an extra attacker) is so much more exciting.
Someone presented a paper at Sloan about optimal strategy that said the trailing team should start fouling much earlier and in much closer situations than is typical and the best response i saw was that if the strategy actually caught on, David Stern would have the author killed in public as a warning to others.

thread drift is fine. it's the offseason.

Wasn't there a similar analysis about going for it on fourth down in football: a riskier strategy would win more games on average, but be more likely to get the coach fired?
well, the latter wasn't part of the study but it is the reason the old guard adapted to going for it on 4th more often. it was mostly the young analytics-minded coaches (and belicheck who never looks a gift edge in the mouth) who started incorporating the data into their playcalling.
Title: Re: Portal 2025
Post by: kaburke00 on April 07, 2025, 01:19:39 PM
Ben Robertson entered the Portal 4/7/25.