Got tired of talking about the FF on other threads, so started this.
Unhappily for others, I'm rooting for BU.
First, there's something satisfying about getting beaten by the champion, with some obvious exceptions (Mainly notables from our league that I don't want to win.) rather than beaten by someone who then loses to another team. I'm happy that after beating us Denver goes on to win it all. We lost to the champ.
Second, and maybe more important, I actually have a warm spot for BU from all the rivalry that we had in the 60s & 70s. To me it was great to beat them, but I never disliked them. They were not "The School" in Boston. A true city school, unlike BC. To me their real claim to fame was hockey, and they did it well.
Second choice is Western. To me they have some of an old BU feeling. Not the best school ever, not a big state school with a huge athletic budget. Just a sort of unknown, except to hockey fans, where everyone in the school seems to think that hockey is important. Besides that's where Schafer learned some of his coaching!
I will be rooting, strongly, against BU because they play by totally different rules than we do. The only reason they got this far is that they plucked a mercenary goalie directly from the USHL halfway through the season. Also, they ended the career of Mike Schafer in the most brutal Cornell defeat since I became a fan. Further, they benefited from a terrible officiating. The facemask penalty on Walsh was a total joke, and the holding penalty on Bancroft was an absolute phantom call and led to the BU go-ahead goal. BU does not deserve to be in the frozen four and I will feel zero sympathy for their fifteen draft picks if they get eliminated in St. Louis.
Quote from: BearLoverI will be rooting, strongly, against BU because they play by totally different rules than we do. The only reason they got this far is that they plucked a mercenary goalie directly from the USHL halfway through the season. Also, they ended the career of Mike Schafer in the most brutal Cornell defeat since I became a fan. Further, they benefited from a terrible officiating. The facemask penalty on Walsh was a total joke, and the holding penalty on Bancroft was an absolute phantom call and led to the BU go-ahead goal. BU does not deserve to be in the frozen four and I will feel zero sympathy for their fifteen draft picks if they get eliminated in St. Louis.
BearLover right 100 percent here
Quote from: 617BigRedQuote from: BearLoverI will be rooting, strongly, against BU because they play by totally different rules than we do. The only reason they got this far is that they plucked a mercenary goalie directly from the USHL halfway through the season. Also, they ended the career of Mike Schafer in the most brutal Cornell defeat since I became a fan. Further, they benefited from a terrible officiating. The facemask penalty on Walsh was a total joke, and the holding penalty on Bancroft was an absolute phantom call and led to the BU go-ahead goal. BU does not deserve to be in the frozen four and I will feel zero sympathy for their fifteen draft picks if they get eliminated in St. Louis.
BearLover right 100 percent here
Second. Though I'm going for Denver. I think Carle is a class act.
I'm rooting for Western Michigan for their underdog stature and the Schafer connection
Quote from: imafrshmnI'm rooting for Western Michigan for their underdog stature and the Schafer connection
Ditto
Yegorov not exactly a mercenary. He was committed to BU and came a semester early. Rescued from a junior program that had lost like 24 in a row and was on their 3rd coach of the season, with an utterly ridiculous, inept and corrupt ownership. All the players there were begging out.
All the schools in the Frozen Four would and have done the same kinds of things in various ways.
Quote from: adamwYegorov not exactly a mercenary. He was committed to BU and came a semester early. Rescued from a junior program that had lost like 24 in a row and was on their 3rd coach of the season, with an utterly ridiculous, inept and corrupt ownership. All the players there were begging out.
All the schools in the Frozen Four would and have done the same kinds of things in various ways.
Yeah. If you were on Yegorov watch with Devils fans... the Omaha Lancers are an absolute dumpster fire of an organization and everyone cheered when he was rescued from bumfuck Nebraska, lol. Kid's what, 18? And that good in net. Gonna be a problem for a long time, thank god he's not in the ECAC and not our problem specifically.
Fwiw, BU did the same with Lacroix last year (their current #3 but backup next year), bringing him in to start the spring. Nowhere near as good as Yegorov, though.
The Lancers lost... 30. In a row. And had the absolute gall to make headlines like "Lincoln pulls away from Omaha, Yegorov stops 66 of 70 shots on goal" when 1) one of those was an empty netter and 2) he was the ONLY reason they didn't get double digitsed. That team lost twice to the USNTDP under 17 program. It's a fucking joke.
All that to say I hold exactly zero grudges about the midseason addition.
The electronics guy from Hogan's Heroes?
Quote from: Jim HylaGot tired of talking about the FF on other threads, so started this.
Unhappily for others, I'm rooting for BU.
First, there's something satisfying about getting beaten by the champion, with some obvious exceptions (Mainly notables from our league that I don't want to win.) rather than beaten by someone who then loses to another team. I'm happy that after beating us Denver goes on to win it all. We lost to the champ.
Second, and maybe more important, I actually have a warm spot for BU from all the rivalry that we had in the 60s & 70s. To me it was great to beat them, but I never disliked them. They were not "The School" in Boston. A true city school, unlike BC. To me their real claim to fame was hockey, and they did it well.
Second choice is Western. To me they have some of an old BU feeling. Not the best school ever, not a big state school with a huge athletic budget. Just a sort of unknown, except to hockey fans, where everyone in the school seems to think that hockey is important. Besides that's where Schafer learned some of his coaching!
I understand this. I like our traditional rivals to do well in the NC$$. I always root for Denver, and I even root for Hahvahd when they get there and I am as disgusted typing that are you are reading it.
WMU is my team this time, otherwise the Terriers or Denver. Pedo State can fuck right off.
I thought the BU goalie was awful in the Cornell game. The big issue is we didn't have the speed to take advantage of the mistakes he made much of the night.
Quote from: TrotskyThe electronics guy from Hogan's Heroes?
I don't think that guy has even heard of hogan's heroes. Just a screen name.
Quote from: upprdeckI thought the BU goalie was awful in the Cornell game. The big issue is we didn't have the speed to take advantage of the mistakes he made much of the night.
I didn't think he was awful, he stole a couple of scoring chances and played the game he had to. He struggled with controlling rebounds off the blocker, and Cornell seemed to be targeting it.
Between shot selection and those amazing stretch passes to the right wing side it sure looked like Cornell had a plan to exploit every hole in BU's game.
Back on topic, I don't share any of the BU animosity, I love the historical rivalry, and the Terriers are my cousin's adopted college hockey team (he went to Iowa, no alma mater to cheer for).
That said, I always liked Denver but they won it all last year after ending Cornell's dream second half run so eh. I also always like an underdog/small school kind of run, so I'll be cheering on WMU.
Quote from: Tom LentoBack on topic, I don't share any of the BU animosity, I love the historical rivalry, and the Terriers are my cousin's adopted college hockey team (he went to Iowa, no alma mater to cheer for).
The point of a historical rivalry is to develop irrational animosity, Tom! And develop some hate for your cousin while your at it for not getting your back.
Anyway, rooting for the Broncos. Denver has won too much, Penn State are the Marlins as far as I'm concerned and BU can got o hell.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Tom LentoBack on topic, I don't share any of the BU animosity, I love the historical rivalry, and the Terriers are my cousin's adopted college hockey team (he went to Iowa, no alma mater to cheer for).
The point of a historical rivalry is to develop irrational animosity, Tom! And develop some hate for your cousin while your at it for not getting your back.
I know, I know, but I just can't seem to get worked up about it! Maybe it's the uniform similarity.... like BU is tricking me into not hating them. Those bastards....
the real dirty pool is quoting me so i notice the "your"
Quote from: ugartethe real dirty pool is quoting me so i notice the "your"
+1
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaGot tired of talking about the FF on other threads, so started this.
Unhappily for others, I'm rooting for BU.
First, there's something satisfying about getting beaten by the champion, with some obvious exceptions (Mainly notables from our league that I don't want to win.) rather than beaten by someone who then loses to another team. I'm happy that after beating us Denver goes on to win it all. We lost to the champ.
Second, and maybe more important, I actually have a warm spot for BU from all the rivalry that we had in the 60s & 70s. To me it was great to beat them, but I never disliked them. They were not "The School" in Boston. A true city school, unlike BC. To me their real claim to fame was hockey, and they did it well.
Second choice is Western. To me they have some of an old BU feeling. Not the best school ever, not a big state school with a huge athletic budget. Just a sort of unknown, except to hockey fans, where everyone in the school seems to think that hockey is important. Besides that's where Schafer learned some of his coaching!
I understand this. I like our traditional rivals to do well in the NC$$. I always root for Denver, and I even root for Hahvahd when they get there and I am as disgusted typing that are you are reading it.
A while back I grudgingly added BU to my list of "worthy adversaries", traditional rivals that I actually like and would cheer for against a random opponent. Hahvahd is in the "root for them out of conference for the sake of the ECAC's reputation" category for me.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaGot tired of talking about the FF on other threads, so started this.
Unhappily for others, I'm rooting for BU.
First, there's something satisfying about getting beaten by the champion, with some obvious exceptions (Mainly notables from our league that I don't want to win.) rather than beaten by someone who then loses to another team. I'm happy that after beating us Denver goes on to win it all. We lost to the champ.
Second, and maybe more important, I actually have a warm spot for BU from all the rivalry that we had in the 60s & 70s. To me it was great to beat them, but I never disliked them. They were not "The School" in Boston. A true city school, unlike BC. To me their real claim to fame was hockey, and they did it well.
Second choice is Western. To me they have some of an old BU feeling. Not the best school ever, not a big state school with a huge athletic budget. Just a sort of unknown, except to hockey fans, where everyone in the school seems to think that hockey is important. Besides that's where Schafer learned some of his coaching!
I understand this. I like our traditional rivals to do well in the NC$$. I always root for Denver, and I even root for Hahvahd when they get there and I am as disgusted typing that are you are reading it.
A while back I grudgingly added BU to my list of "worthy adversaries", traditional rivals that I actually like and would cheer for against a random opponent. Hahvahd is in the "root for them out of conference for the sake of the ECAC's reputation" category for me.
I certainly do that with ECAC OOC games during the year. Any win could help us.
Once we hit the NCAAs, I'll probably root for an ECAC team, but certainly not always.
Quote from: Jim Hylacertainly not always.
Certainly not.
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Sick 2OT win for Western over Denver after almost blowing it in the 3P
And now Yegorov and the Terriers vs Penn State. They're currently telling the Bahamas story and the starting-his-career-on-the-PK story.
Have I mentioned how much I love Yegorov?
fucking filthy from cole hutson to eiserman
And there it is. BU to the finals, vs WMU.
Broncos Country, let's ride.
I am happy with the Frozen Two that play for the 2025 NCAA title, Western Michigan versus Boston University:
- Western Michigan is overdue for a trip to the Frozen Four and now the title game. The last four years they've gone .679 ('21-22), .603, .566 and this year .817.
- You would rather see Penn State in the title game than our other (Commonwealth AVe( Boston sparring partner of the past five decades?
My rooting priorities parallel the Arab proverb: "I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world." (Sounds like an Irish proverb, too.) So I want Cornell to play in the Frozen Four then title game, not BU. I'd rather see an Ivy League team, an ECAC team or a New York State ECAC team, or an Eastern team. I'm also against the #privilege schools which aren't us Ivies, but the monster sports schools, especially the B1G schools Penn State and Ohio State.
If BU wins Saturday, we can say that in the playoffs for the past two years we've lost only to the eventual champion and only by one goal each time.
Quote from: billhowardI am happy with the Frozen Two that play for the 2025 NCAA title, Western Michigan versus Boston University:
- Western Michigan is overdue for a trip to the Frozen Four and now the title game. The last four years they've gone .679 ('21-22), .603, .566 and this year .817.
- You would rather see Penn State in the title game than our other (Commonwealth AVe( Boston sparring partner of the past five decades?
My rooting priorities parallel the Arab proverb: "I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world." (Sounds like an Irish proverb, too.) So I want Cornell to play in the Frozen Four then title game, not BU. I'd rather see an Ivy League team, an ECAC team or a New York State ECAC team, or an Eastern team. I'm also against the #privilege schools which aren't us Ivies, but the monster sports schools, especially the B1G schools Penn State and Ohio State.
If BU wins Saturday, we can say that in the playoffs for the past two years we've lost only to the eventual champion and only by one goal each time.
You can just watch the games and not root for or against. I have no dog in the fight. It was just a good game to watch.
Quote from: ERQuote from: billhowardI am happy with the Frozen Two that play for the 2025 NCAA title, Western Michigan versus Boston University:
- Western Michigan is overdue for a trip to the Frozen Four and now the title game. The last four years they've gone .679 ('21-22), .603, .566 and this year .817.
- You would rather see Penn State in the title game than our other (Commonwealth AVe( Boston sparring partner of the past five decades?
My rooting priorities parallel the Arab proverb: "I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world." (Sounds like an Irish proverb, too.) So I want Cornell to play in the Frozen Four then title game, not BU. I'd rather see an Ivy League team, an ECAC team or a New York State ECAC team, or an Eastern team. I'm also against the #privilege schools which aren't us Ivies, but the monster sports schools, especially the B1G schools Penn State and Ohio State.
If BU wins Saturday, we can say that in the playoffs for the past two years we've lost only to the eventual champion and only by one goal each time.
You can just watch the games and not root for or against. I have no dog in the fight. It was just a good game to watch.
This. With no obvious preferred team here for me before the event, I just want a great game. I'm not going to sit down and analytically rationalize who I want to win.
The heart wants what it wants so I'll find out who I'm pulling for during the excitement of the game.
Quote from: ERQuote from: billhowardI am happy with the Frozen Two that play for the 2025 NCAA title, Western Michigan versus Boston University:
- Western Michigan is overdue for a trip to the Frozen Four and now the title game. The last four years they've gone .679 ('21-22), .603, .566 and this year .817.
- You would rather see Penn State in the title game than our other (Commonwealth AVe( Boston sparring partner of the past five decades?
My rooting priorities parallel the Arab proverb: "I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world." (Sounds like an Irish proverb, too.) So I want Cornell to play in the Frozen Four then title game, not BU. I'd rather see an Ivy League team, an ECAC team or a New York State ECAC team, or an Eastern team. I'm also against the #privilege schools which aren't us Ivies, but the monster sports schools, especially the B1G schools Penn State and Ohio State.
If BU wins Saturday, we can say that in the playoffs for the past two years we've lost only to the eventual champion and only by one goal each time.
You can just watch the games and not root for or against. I have no dog in the fight. It was just a good game to watch.
I wished for a 3-2 game as I entered the Enterprise. I didn't wish for double OT. Everyone in the rink save those wearing Denver gear wanted WM. What a great game and a great GWG.
Edit: OT will be fine on Saturday.
Right. Using logic in this forum. Might get a person doxxed. But, point taken. TY.
Perhaps because the NCAA is such a lean machine, no freeloaders, when they go on the road, somehow the arena crew in St. Louis was given the wrong logo to paint at center ice. WMU AD noticed it right away when the team arrived.
https://x.com/BroncoBarn/status/1909335546062946556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1909335546062946556%7Ctwgr%5E8dc6e3ff5d3c1f4a962ef7fbcfbbc8a1c7194f60%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.detroitnews.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Fmore-colleges%2F2025%2F04%2F08%2Fncaa-rushes-to-fix-wrong-western-michigan-logo-on-frozen-four-ice%2F82992678007%2F
Gotta be said it's subtle difference between old (top) and new. New looks crisper, as if designed to be more recognizable on the lowest-res devices.
Howard won the Hobey.
Quote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I'll take Cole Hutson.
Quote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I like this Cornell reference in the Flo Hockey article, though the phrasing is bad:
With the "Ice Man" driving the offense, Michigan State won the Big Ten regular-season title. Howard then scored the game-winning goal in the Big Ten Championship game in overtime. Michigan State, however, was stunned in the first round of the NCAA tournament with a late goal against Cornell.
https://www.flohockey.tv/articles/14071418-michigan-states-isaac-howard-wins-the-hobey-baker-memorial-award-in-2025
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I'll take Cole Hutson.
Long term totally agree
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I'll take Cole Hutson.
Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead. Justice for BU and their 16 draft picks, love to see it!
And with that...
...BearLover out.
WMU wins it 6-2. BU forgot to play defense today...
Good for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Quote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
From what one of their fans told me this has been a 7 year or more progression that started with a coaching change. They were under the radar for many of us. I became a believer when I saw their tenacious puck control and teamwork on Thursday. Boston U slowed them done a bit but what a joy to see them win their first championship.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I'll take Cole Hutson.
Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead. Justice for BU and their 16 draft picks, love to see it!
And with that...
...BearLover out.
Wow, watch him on the third WMU goal too, what the hell was he doing? Why is he (a defenseman) pinching on the wall off a faceoff on the wrong side of the red line in the neutral zone? Led to an immediate WMU 2x1. Somebody teach this kid to play defense.
Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead.
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What was even worse on that play was Hutson totally giving up once they were off the other way on the 2-on-1. He basically stopped skating once he got beat and just stood there watching them go in and beat Sharangovich.
Quote from: sah67Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead.
What was even worse on that play was Hutson totally giving up once they were off the other way on the 2-on-1. He basically stopped skating once he got beat and just stood there watching them go in and beat Sharangovich.[/quote]
Wrong Devils-affiliated Eastern European. Yegorov.
From my BU friend's frequent conversations, I understand there is no D in "Cole Hutson". His backcheck is only marginally better than Evan Bouchard's...
Quote from: sah67Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead.
What was even worse on that play was Hutson totally giving up once they were off the other way on the 2-on-1. He basically stopped skating once he got beat and just stood there watching them go in and beat Sharangovich.[/quote]
Same thing watching Zeev Buium, these players expend all their energy on offense and get caught up in the play and then coast back on D on an odd-man rush the other way. In both cases part of it is a coaching decision to overplay them. "Stars" like Buium and Hutson are on the ice for 30 minutes a game and the 5th and 6th D never see the light of day. Seriously, Carle and Pandolfo don't even play the third D pairing more than a couple of minutes a game. Schafer would have 8 national championships by now if he had access to this level of talent.
Screw BU!
Quote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Agreed. Probably not on most fans radar in the preseason. 5 grad students, 9 transfers...but only 6 NHL draft picks. They do have more flexibility when rebuilding a roster.
Quote from: ithacatQuote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Agreed. Probably not on most fans radar in the preseason. 5 grad students, 9 transfers...but only 6 NHL draft picks. They do have more flexibility when rebuilding a roster.
I'm seeing 8 draft picks. I don't like the teams that build through transfers and grad students. WMU is basically Quinnipiac. But I'd still rather them win than BU.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ithacatQuote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Agreed. Probably not on most fans radar in the preseason. 5 grad students, 9 transfers...but only 6 NHL draft picks. They do have more flexibility when rebuilding a roster.
I'm seeing 8 draft picks. I don't like the teams that build through transfers and grad students. WMU is basically Quinnipiac. But I'd still rather them win than BU.
Thanks for the correction.
Quote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Yes, this was one of the best stories in NCAA hockey of the last several years. Great for them. I would love to see MTU and NMU gets bites at some time, too.
And, you know, maybe us?
Quote from: ithacatQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ithacatQuote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Agreed. Probably not on most fans radar in the preseason. 5 grad students, 9 transfers...but only 6 NHL draft picks. They do have more flexibility when rebuilding a roster.
I'm seeing 8 draft picks. I don't like the teams that build through transfers and grad students. WMU is basically Quinnipiac. But I'd still rather them win than BU.
Thanks for the correction.
Since the pandemic, there have been four national champions. Two (Denver x2) were won with blue-chippers. Two (Quinnipiac and WMU) were won with transfers and grad students. Cornell is going to have to either improve recruiting or find a way to get more transfers if they want to make a frozen four.
Alex Zetterberg (BU) entered the portal, as per BU friend. Small forward who was consistently scratched for BU, but has high potential and plays the game well. Casey... get on the line.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ithacatQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ithacatQuote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Agreed. Probably not on most fans radar in the preseason. 5 grad students, 9 transfers...but only 6 NHL draft picks. They do have more flexibility when rebuilding a roster.
I'm seeing 8 draft picks. I don't like the teams that build through transfers and grad students. WMU is basically Quinnipiac. But I'd still rather them win than BU.
Thanks for the correction.
Since the pandemic, there have been four national champions. Two (Denver x2) were won with blue-chippers. Two (Quinnipiac and WMU) were won with transfers and grad students. Cornell is going to have to either improve recruiting or find a way to get more transfers if they want to make a frozen four.
With the extra pandemic eligibility ending, the grad student effect should wane. The transfer effect, however, has room to grow. Maybe this is the right time to bring in a new coach, who will be focused on establishing his tenure under a new set of rules.
lets just hope the budget issues dont hurt sports even more
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I'll take Cole Hutson.
Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead. Justice for BU and their 16 draft picks, love to see it!
And with that...
...BearLover out.
Wow, watch him on the third WMU goal too, what the hell was he doing? Why is he (a defenseman) pinching on the wall off a faceoff on the wrong side of the red line in the neutral zone? Led to an immediate WMU 2x1. Somebody teach this kid to play defense.
No team with the elite select few one-and-done type players has EVER won the national championship - yet.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ithacatQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ithacatQuote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Agreed. Probably not on most fans radar in the preseason. 5 grad students, 9 transfers...but only 6 NHL draft picks. They do have more flexibility when rebuilding a roster.
I'm seeing 8 draft picks. I don't like the teams that build through transfers and grad students. WMU is basically Quinnipiac. But I'd still rather them win than BU.
Thanks for the correction.
Since the pandemic, there have been four national champions. Two (Denver x2) were won with blue-chippers. Two (Quinnipiac and WMU) were won with transfers and grad students. Cornell is going to have to either improve recruiting or find a way to get more transfers if they want to make a frozen four.
I really wouldn't call Denver blue chippers. No 1st and 2nd rounders. Zeev an exception, but wasn't recruited on that assumption - he sky-rocketed after his play at World Juniors.
Duluth, Denver, Western Michigan all built the same way.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ithacatQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ithacatQuote from: IcebergGood for Western Michigan. For a while, they were one and done in the NCAA's and then they go on to have this dominant season almost out of nowhere
Agreed. Probably not on most fans radar in the preseason. 5 grad students, 9 transfers...but only 6 NHL draft picks. They do have more flexibility when rebuilding a roster.
I'm seeing 8 draft picks. I don't like the teams that build through transfers and grad students. WMU is basically Quinnipiac. But I'd still rather them win than BU.
Thanks for the correction.
Since the pandemic, there have been four national champions. Two (Denver x2) were won with blue-chippers. Two (Quinnipiac and WMU) were won with transfers and grad students. Cornell is going to have to either improve recruiting or find a way to get more transfers if they want to make a frozen four.
I really wouldn't call Denver blue chippers. No 1st and 2nd rounders. Zeev an exception, but wasn't recruited on that assumption - he sky-rocketed after his play at World Juniors.
Duluth, Denver, Western Michigan all built the same way.
Looking at Denver's roster in 2022 and 2024, their lineup is loaded with draft picks (looks like 13 or more both seasons), including many in the first 2 or 3 rounds. I'd call them blue-chippers for sure. Certainly from a Cornell perspective, given we haven't recruited a draft pick in the first two rounds for 15+ years.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I'll take Cole Hutson.
Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead. Justice for BU and their 16 draft picks, love to see it!
And with that...
...BearLover out.
Wow, watch him on the third WMU goal too, what the hell was he doing? Why is he (a defenseman) pinching on the wall off a faceoff on the wrong side of the red line in the neutral zone? Led to an immediate WMU 2x1. Somebody teach this kid to play defense.
No team with the elite select few one-and-done type players has EVER won the national championship - yet.
I take the general point that you don't need these guys to win, but if you look at the make-up of the teams in the frozen four the last decade, there's an extremely high correlation between blue chippers and national success. If you want to argue that Denver with Z. Buium and tons of other early round draft picks isn't blue-chip, or that NoDak with Boeser and Schmaltz (both first rounders) wasn't blue-chip, well I'd argue that's a pretty narrow definition of blue-chip. Yes, these guys technically stayed two years rather than one, but again, I think that's a very narrow definition. But even giving you that, we are a couple of bounces away from the completely opposite narrative. In the past three years, finalists Minnesota, BC, and BU were very, very close to winning it all.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I'll take Cole Hutson.
Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead. Justice for BU and their 16 draft picks, love to see it!
And with that...
...BearLover out.
Wow, watch him on the third WMU goal too, what the hell was he doing? Why is he (a defenseman) pinching on the wall off a faceoff on the wrong side of the red line in the neutral zone? Led to an immediate WMU 2x1. Somebody teach this kid to play defense.
No team with the elite select few one-and-done type players has EVER won the national championship - yet.
I take the general point that you don't need these guys to win, but if you look at the make-up of the teams in the frozen four the last decade, there's an extremely high correlation between blue chippers and national success. If you want to argue that Denver with Z. Buium and tons of other early round draft picks isn't blue-chip, or that NoDak with Boeser and Schmaltz (both first rounders) wasn't blue-chip, well I'd argue that's a pretty narrow definition of blue-chip. Yes, these guys technically stayed two years rather than one, but again, I think that's a very narrow definition. But even giving you that, we are a couple of bounces away from the completely opposite narrative. In the past three years, finalists Minnesota, BC, and BU were very, very close to winning it all.
my post about "blue chippers" and my post about "one and dones" were two different thoughts. and not related.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: stereaxHoward won the Hobey.
I'll take Cole Hutson.
Born loser Cole Hutson got caught pressing in the o-zone, WMU took it the other way on a 2-on-1 to take a 4-2 lead. Justice for BU and their 16 draft picks, love to see it!
And with that...
...BearLover out.
Wow, watch him on the third WMU goal too, what the hell was he doing? Why is he (a defenseman) pinching on the wall off a faceoff on the wrong side of the red line in the neutral zone? Led to an immediate WMU 2x1. Somebody teach this kid to play defense.
No team with the elite select few one-and-done type players has EVER won the national championship - yet.
I take the general point that you don't need these guys to win, but if you look at the make-up of the teams in the frozen four the last decade, there's an extremely high correlation between blue chippers and national success. If you want to argue that Denver with Z. Buium and tons of other early round draft picks isn't blue-chip, or that NoDak with Boeser and Schmaltz (both first rounders) wasn't blue-chip, well I'd argue that's a pretty narrow definition of blue-chip. Yes, these guys technically stayed two years rather than one, but again, I think that's a very narrow definition. But even giving you that, we are a couple of bounces away from the completely opposite narrative. In the past three years, finalists Minnesota, BC, and BU were very, very close to winning it all.
my post about "blue chippers" and my post about "one and dones" were two different thoughts. and not related.
ok